I think I have partially puzzled out some of the circumstances
surrounding the fabricated photos and videos in the MH17 case. The
criminal JIT gave a specious positive identification of the Buk in the
photos and videos as of Russian origin. Russia has provided documentation
that proves the Buk was of Ukrainian origin so we now know this is an
impossibility(and almost certainly proves that the missile parts were planted
by the SBU). But we also now know that the real perps had photos of the
Buk Telar stationed in Russia. It is therefore almost a certainty that they
used these images to fabricate the still photos with an image editing software
like photoshop. As for the videos showing the covered Telar, there was no
danger of a positive identification, so they could have easily used photos
of a Ukrainian unit to fabricate the videos.

Posted by: evilempire | Sep 23 2019 16:58 utc | 201

@Bonbong #211
As usual, when faced with any form of factual opposition, you and your like resort to ad hominem.
No wonder the climate war is being lost by you.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 23 2019 17:00 utc | 202

On another note:
Is WeWork just a spectacularly public SPV (special purpose vehicle) to enrich JPM commercial real estate clients?
Wall Street On Parade thinks so

JPMorgan Chase is also a major lender to real estate developers and building owners in Manhattan. Many of these same developers and building owners are benefitting from WeWork signing long-term leases that dramatically shrink the vacancy rate in their buildings. JPMorgan Chase’s real estate clients who have signed deals with WeWork include Rudin Management; L&L Holding Company; and Midwood Investment and Development, to name just a few.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 23 2019 17:02 utc | 203

Just heard that Thomas Cook has not paid the hotels where tourists are accommodated for the last three months!When the Brits fuck up they always like to take some with them...(jobs for lawyers, etc.)

Posted by: Mina | Sep 23 2019 17:09 utc | 204

ISIS: new revelations

A Half-Decade Late, NY Post Admits ISIS Is Run By NATO Member Turkey

US Plans To Use ISIS In Afghanistan In New Round Of Geopolitical Standoff In Central Asia

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 23 2019 17:20 utc | 205

on the ability of the elites to persuade the rest of the population that the present situation is acceptable.

How are things comrades?

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Sep 23 2019 17:20 utc | 206

the science deniers are all over this thread, trotting out long refuted nonsense like the oregon petition. not sure if they're getting paid, or even real posters.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 23 2019 17:24 utc | 207

WeWork has always looked to me like an obvious con, I mean "Adam Neumann? That's even more obvious than "Christia Freeland" isn't it? Plus the vigorous spending of money before it has been earned, always popular with enterpreneurs like Elon Musk, is the other giveaway. A real business man who wants to run a real business will be concened to establish profitability before trying to "scale up", to minimize his own risk. An "enterpreneur" who plans to bail out at the most opportune moment has no such concerns.

The notion that it was created to keep rents up in NYC sounds plausible, but not in itself particularly illegal. On the other hand, the IPO looks like an employment act for lawyers at this point.

Anyway, as with "Jeffrey Epstein", "Adam Neumann" looks like a lot of him was invented. And where did the money come from and why seems like a good question too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 23 2019 17:32 utc | 208

james @219--

Before moving to Oregon I lived in San Jose, where housing was then phenomenally expensive. The Economic Policy Institute has a Family Budget Calculator where you can plug in a US city, county or metro area and discover the basic family budget for a family of 4. The metro area I moved from now requires $10,758/mo in income to meet those basic expenses or $129,092/yr. Seattle's cost in contrast is $97,142. Modesto, California where I lived for awhile in the early 1980s costs $77,317. Back to San Jose as a single person, the costs are $61,549; Modesto, $37,157.

Young people just don't have the $$ to buy a home anywhere near where the well paying SF Bay Area jobs are, so they move 2-3 hours away for a 4-6 hour daily commute. When I moved North 16 years ago, tech companies were providing RV hook-ups in their corporate parking lots for workers who preferred to work a 4-day week and spend 3 days at home with family, thus sparing them the daily commute. So, we're talking way beyond exurbs here and the continuation of suburban sprawl as the main development template instead of high-density housing in conjunction with mass transit rail as in Europe or China.

In 2004, The End of Suburbia documentary was released as a critique of the suburban sprawl development model, calling it one of the biggest misallocations of funds ever to take place in human history. It's online and well worth watching as it details a set of interlocking problems the Outlaw US Empire has created for itself while it enriched the top 10% and for awhile fooled lots of people, although all too many remained entranced. How humans spatially arrange their settlement and subsequent development has a huge impact on contributions to the Climate Crisis. Renewable energy generation is only one part of the equation in dealing with the issue. James Kunstler is one of the outspoken voices you'll encounter when you watch. I heard him speak at several ASPO conventions and know his egotism first hand. But those faults don't mean his basic premise is too. Yes, farmland's being paved over for a development and spatial living arrangement for humans that's 100% dysfunctional, yet continues to be built because of the $$ and politics involved--Corruption in other words--something you've read me rail about often without putting my finger on anything specific. Well here's this: California's corruption and the development model it spawned is a major factor in the Climate Crisis. It's not just the cars; it's why we need to have those cars in the first place.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2019 17:33 utc | 209

"Next step would be to reintroduce local buses and trains!! State owned of course so that prices wld not be dissuassive as today."
Mina@149

Mina, it would be a breach of the EU's Four Freedoms to do what you suggest. Any state subsidy of industry, transportation included, is not allowed under EU rules. Local capitalist transport companies could sue the state in question.
This is all made crystal clear in the excellent NLR article to which b gives a link in his introduction.
PROGRESSIVE REGRESSION Metamorphoses of European Social Policy (pdf) - Wolfgang Streek - new left review
As I wrote above somewhere, the article is essential reading on the subject of Brexit and the EU.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 23 2019 17:44 utc | 210

Bevin, I know of course. I have lost any hope in the EU but still cannot get my self to become a Bojo groupie.

On another issue, when I see the impact of the climate news on my richest friends, i.e. not even the upper class or the higher bourgeoisie, rather the upper middle class (other people are busy surviving) I think the propaganda is not bad at all. They will buy one tablet instead of four, have "shame of flying". Even they have noticed that families who own 3 cars in their street do not let much space for additional parking.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 23 2019 17:49 utc | 211

@karlof1 #220: Bloomberg reports (a reprint by The Moscow Times) that the decision to ratify the Agreement by a PM's decree and not by a Duma vote was made to "prevent lawmakers allied with opponents of the Paris process, including energy and metals barons, from challenging the Kremlin’s position in public hearings". The sources are, as usual, "two people familiar with the matter", so it might very well be fake news. The overall article is a great example of how even the most positive news coming out of Russia are spinned as some kind of bad, sinister, "calculated" thing.

Posted by: S | Sep 23 2019 17:52 utc | 212

Syrian Girl provides a different perspective. Her tweet contains an RT produced drone video showcasing the devastation of Homs, Syria's 3rd largest city, and she states the following:

"#ClimateChange cataclysm? It boggles my mind that some demand #Syria-ns care, we have already lived the end of our world. We survived. You think we'll be afraid of a little weather?

"Others should care, not about what might happen but what is happening."

She makes a masterfully important point that for the Climate Crisis to be properly addressed, the sponsors of war must cease their actions and become part of humanity once again. As you watch the scenes of devastation, think of Aleppo, Raqqa, Dier Ezzor, Damascus, Fallujah, Mosul, Gaza, The West Bank, and thousands of other places that have had the same experience and those that are living it now.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2019 17:59 utc | 213

Posted by: vk | Sep 22 2019 17:14 utc | 23

Reading the CIA's version of what went wrong is cute. Try 'Killing Hope' by William Blum (RIP). It is not like 'the non-communist left' hasn't been screwed with by the 'leader of the free world' at every turn. Because if one is allowed to succeed who knows what might happen.
Tom in AZ

Posted by: Tom in AZ | Sep 23 2019 18:01 utc | 214

@Bemildred #230
It seems the WeWork/Neumann money is coming from JP Morgan - directly in the form of a $500M line of credit, likely indirect kickbacks on the leased buildings.
And it isn't the rent per se in all of Manhattan, it is the vacancy rates in buildings owned by investors in WeWork.
A building with a low vacancy rate is worth a lot more than one with a high vacancy rate - which makes investment in WeWork so much easier for those types.
And then there's the cutout entities which actually own the leases.
Looks more and more like Enron of today.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 23 2019 18:15 utc | 215

@karlof1 231:

Thanks much for the interesting anecdotal stuff. "Take a walk outside myself, in some exotic land..." IIRC, Cadillac also discussed the sprawl issue somewhat. That one is worth a watch just to see someone like Floyd Dominy speak. (NOTE: I find his a scary sparse wiki entry.)

For a beautiful, if melodramatic, account of 19c Cali, Clarence King's Mountaineering in the Sierra Nevada is one of my favorites. Clarence King was a very interesting fellow. Contrast his with Joseph LeConte's account, which is a bit of a harsh read. It was quite apparent to me that LeConte viewed the indigenous Cali folks as sub-human.

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Sep 23 2019 18:20 utc | 216

"

"WikiLeaks
‏Verified account @wikileaks
Sep 22

UK Foreign Secretary @DominicRaab reveals UK plans to punish foreign governments who imprison dissidents and journalists.

Meanwhile UK keeps Julian Assange in solitary confinement for US extradition where he's charged with 175 years for doing journalism"

Posted by: arby | Sep 23 2019 18:25 utc | 217

S @234--

Thanks for that. I presume those 2 people are employed by the Outlaw US Empire's State Department branch in Moscow.

Fortunately for Russia, it didn't follow the suburban sprawl development model and its cities sport the high density and interurban rail-based transit that produces far fewer carbon emissions. Where it needed rehabilitation was in its industrial base, which was done in order to regain competitive advantage after USSR's demise. Russia's major problem is its vast hydrocarbon reserves and their use to fuel Russia's effort at diversifying its economy while making it resilient which makes emission reductions difficult at best. But given Putin's ability to deal straight forwardly with people on the most difficult issues, he will have had numerous talks on this issue with the heads of Russia's hydrocarbon extraction industry. And as we can plainly see, there's a geopolitical component to their exportation.

Given the current state of geo-economics, I don't expect a massive reduction in carbon emissions to begin anytime soon since the #1 polluter is dead set against any such action. Much depends on how habitation patterns are constructed in developing nations and if their citizens don't adopt automobile--particularly ICE provided--transportation. Indeed, low-density single family housing is just as bad as ICE-derived transport. I think it perhaps the most notable omission by Trump in his MAGA campaign--transcontinental and regional high-speed rail that're better than China's--which of course plays to the primary corruptive agents responsible for the Outlaw US Empire's dysfunctional domestic development.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2019 18:36 utc | 218

These are real the reasons to strike, on Friday, and every other day of the week, kids and adults, and what most will contribute to stop, not only climate change, but also the spiral of violence.
Of course, this comrade veteran will never be invited to the UNGA like 16years old Greta has been ( without any merit apart from making puyas from mandatory school at her age...)mainly because he does not come with such cohorte as Monegasque family, varied nature related "NGOs" headed or funded and managed by the richest dinasties of the world and transnational capital and corporations...

https://twitter.com/IntheNow_tweet/status/1176143899120865280

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 18:57 utc | 219

Anyway, I suspect that no one here believes that sorting out plastic from paper helps in anyway as long as weapons are manufactured and sold for the greatest benefit of the richest states.

Talking Greta and Epstein, funny to see that it is easier for an autist and a schizophrene to reach the ruling elite than to the laymen.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 23 2019 19:03 utc | 220

At least Greta is trying. Doing far more than most about climate crisis. Don't feel she is being manipulated, hopefully she never will be.
There are of course, real things people can do as per referenced articles. She may be inspiring more to do just that.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/23/greta-thunberg-speech-un-2019-address

Posted by: Joe | Sep 23 2019 19:12 utc | 221

NYT Dec. 6, 2018 LONDON — Luxembourg is a small country with big traffic jams.

... when Prime Minister Xavier Bettel was sworn in for a second term on Wednesday, his governing coalition promised free mass transit for all, which would make the country the first to offer such a benefit.
---- This piece of news is contradicted by one commenter ---
Mina, it would be a breach of the EU's Four Freedoms to do what you suggest. Any state subsidy of industry, transportation included, is not allowed under EU rules. Local capitalist transport companies could sue the state in question.
This is all made crystal clear in the excellent NLR article to which b gives a link in his introduction.
PROGRESSIVE REGRESSION Metamorphoses of European Social Policy (pdf) - Wolfgang Streek - new left review
As I wrote above somewhere, the article is essential reading on the subject of Brexit and the EU.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 23 2019 17:44 utc | 232

In this particular case, I trust NYT.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 23 2019 19:21 utc | 222

Dr Wellington Yueh @238--

Thanks for your reply! Clarence King and Joseph LeConte I both recall from my California History course. I was fortunate my prof for that class was in his late 60s and filled with his own experiences having lived in California all his life such that he was a very enlightening supplement to our text regarding important items it omitted. The groves my grandparents planted and tended for decades were uprooted and subdivided, except for a ten acre parcel surrounding our Ranch in Cucamonga (to hell with the Rancho addition!) that preserved some groves, a small vineyard and all the massive, river-stone foundationed and walled outbuildings of which very few still remain. Hopefully as with my Great Grandfather's house they'll be designated historical places and spared bulldozing. Unmentioned in that article is ground subsidence due to oil and gas extraction particularly in Kern County, as big as New Hampshire and now has close to a million residents, which includes Bakersfield and lands to its South--a tripling of the population since I farmed plots there in the mid 1960s and thought more inhospitable than Redding at the Central Valley's Northern end.

The initial Spanish impression of California was that of a desert wasteland of little value, and image adopted by the Mexican government on its independence. Ironic that just after the Mexican Cession in 1848 that gold would be discovered (although it had been earlier in smaller deposits in the Southern California mountains but hushed up by local Mexican authorities). And today, California's still being mined although much of the wealth that's extracted now remains within the state instead of being moved back East.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2019 19:22 utc | 223

Breaking!

Ukrainian state investigations bureau opens criminal proceedings against Maidan commander and self-proclaimed slavic aryan Andriy Parubiy - for organizing the 2014 attack on pro-Russian activists during Odesa riots, by which 50 of them died while trapped in a burning building.

https://twitter.com/jonathbruns/status/1176117417371721728

Oh, yeah! I hope this is not a farce... The only way Ukraine could anytime be a normal country again is by making a good housecleaning, and that starts by eliminating what most stinks....even since here...

Justice for the Odessa martyrs now!

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 19:35 utc | 224

The reported paper with the results have been retracted because it had not yet been "verified" by which they must mean double-checked and internally approved for publication. "Google’s new quantum computer":

Google reportedly claimed that it takes their new quantum processor just around 200 seconds to make calculations that existing supercomputers would require around 10,000 years to perform. They also said the processor requires mere 30 seconds to complete a task the Google Cloud server would need 50 trillion hours to do.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 23 2019 19:47 utc | 225

Sunny Runny Burger @248--

Did you see this article I linked to last week, "Applying Moore’s Law to Quantum Qubits." The publication, Quantum Computing Report, seems like one to add to favorites if just to keep abreast of developments. I found this page within the site listing government and non-profit involvement most helpful.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2019 20:11 utc | 226

Sasha @ 247

This is very hopeful news. What happened in Odessa is equivalent, though far more outrageously and bloodcurdlingly, to what occurred in the US with the attack on the US electoral system in 2000.

I put the two in parallel because in both instances a country's democratic institutions lapsed. If Ukraine can address the root causes of its malaise, there is hope for the US. To set a nation on a proper course, the injustices at the root of things have to be properly addressed.

We all watched as the horrors in Odessa unfolded. That time is burned into my memory.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 23 2019 20:24 utc | 227

@Posted by: juliania | Sep 23 2019 20:24 utc | 250

This is very hopeful news.

Just made my day...Now only it faults that they are going falling all the rest of worst nazi criminals there....

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 20:34 utc | 228

1,500 environmental activists killed in Latin America in the last 10 years. The question is, why did none of them have the Greta Thunberg advertising campaign?

https://twitter.com/PabloMM/status/1175855332930797571

Others answer...

Because those yes did go against the system.

Because those were red and not like this girl, who is a puppet of capital.

Because they were serious.

Because those killed were real activists....

The whole day, as well as yesterday, every time you put on the TV they are giving the weather boradcast by finishing "you contamine less" and things like that....Greta´s fak tears are ubiquitous....That they are preparing new "taxes" on nature is now ore clear than ever, otherwise why would they do such a publicitary campaign...

Meanwhile, in the Spanish factories were real workers and suffered taxpayers work....( places Greta and her crazy parents and their patrons have not visited even in dreams...)

There is a woman hospitalized in a reserved state after a twelve-hour operation. The machine of the factory where she worked, has scalped her. We are European champions in occupational accidents, but that is not talked about. You are not motivated.

It has been in Paradas, Sevilla.

https://twitter.com/Carretera88/status/1176126035559104512

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 21:08 utc | 229

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 23 2019 13:17 utc | 203

Thomas Cook was pretty international, a high number of Germans are stranded, too. So no, the falling pound is unlikely to have had an impact. What Thomas Cook lost via the pound they profited from other currencies. This video claims that there were many more German than British clients.

Another issue is the British government not bailing them out.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2019 21:13 utc | 230

Did you remeber that Chrsitine Lagarde, new director of ECB, said that this was unsustainable becuase old people lives way too much?

Well here you have whay they have not called you to strike or talk at the UNGA...the sad thing is that for this people you do not count any more...They say you just f*** off...from here...you spend and contaminate a lot...

The planet must be saved but you are old... you are done.... Ecocapitalism and concern because the elderly live too much. Greta and Lagarde, in one. I thought it would take a little longer to see the results. Mala baba that of these children.

https://twitter.com/Anti_otan1984/status/1176213809243070471

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 21:16 utc | 231

Capitalism intends to execute a master move: point to the working class as responsible for the destruction of the planet to sow the land and impose a new battery of anti-workers measures in the face of the new systemic crisis that is coming.

https://twitter.com/oriolsabata/status/1175884675191062528

Another one answers...

That is the key. The "Green New Deal" is the attempt to stabilize Western capitalism and end the last remnants of worker conquests in the 21st century.

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 21:22 utc | 232

Activism is this....and not that the royals sail you in a yatch patronized by BMW to NY to meet the elites of the world at UNGA and cry some fake tears rehearsed previosuly with your handler Jennifer Morgan...so as to promote new taxes only on working class...

https://twitter.com/kopamaros/status/1124754258686038016

Of course, by the elders, this time former Soviets in Ukraine....the only remaining people in the world who knows what a real fight is....

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 21:29 utc | 233

While Greta does all what she wants at the UNGA, school absenteeism and pataleta included...at her already really grown age to go over there crying for minucias ( although a minor...)....this other...at six!...got arrested in the US because of...wait...a pataleta!...But, well, this is not an upper class girl....and moreover she is black....

https://www.hispantv.com/noticias/ee-uu-/438524/detencion-nina-rabieta-escuela

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 21:54 utc | 234

@karlof1 #240

Russia's system of railways is indeed a big help. The busiest railway lines are already electrified, but heavy cargo trains still use diesel locomotives (electric locomotives are not powerful enough). Russia is planning to address both the issue of non-electrified lines and the issue of heavy cargo trains by introducing LNG locomotives in 2021–2025 (logirus.ru).

Another way to reduce emissions is to revive river transport, which has almost died after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Medvedev has set a target of guaranteed 4-meter depth along the whole length of Volga and its tributaries by 2024 (vesti.ru).

The Government of Moscow already operates 100 electric buses, plans to buy 300 electric buses a year, and plans to completely stop buying ICE buses by 2021 (mos.ru).

But the main contribution to the reduction of emissions will come from replacing natural gas and coal electricity generation with nuclear. Russia's electricity generation by source in 2016: 47.9% natural gas, 18.1% nuclear, 17.1% hydro, 15.7% coal, 1.0% oil, 0.1% renewables (iea.org).

Posted by: S | Sep 23 2019 22:10 utc | 235

The Three Poodles in UK, France and Germany show they're incapable of independent thought and critical reasoning skills. And based on their joint statement, Iran ought to just continue to whittle away at the JCPOA.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2019 22:30 utc | 236

S @259--

Thanks for your reply and those stats! IMO, Russia solved the nuclear nut and has proved as much with its portable nuclear plant. Awhile back, I linked to an article about Fusion power generation, but that still appears to be a long ways off. For much of the world, it's become possible to skip the first two heavily fossil fuel powered phases of development along with the dysfunctional spatial habitat designs employed by the Outlaw US Empire while also promoting the social togetherness mass transit provides and thus avoid the social and familial atomizing effects of individual transport that's supposedly liberating when all it does is create further dependencies and sociopolitical dysfunction. Eliminating coal use for electricity generation and gasoline use in transport would greatly diminish CO2 emissions, while electrically powered highspeed rail ought to replace all but transoceanic air travel. Oceanic shipping would benefit greatly by 100% adoption of sail aided power and change to CNG powered turbines instead of marine diesel.

When we moved from California to Oregon, our goal for our new home design was to cut our carbon footprint by as much as possible including vehicle fuel use. We were able to cut @80% of our already relatively small footprint; and with installation of the new led lights, we are now at 90%. A genuine MAGA transformation is possible, but the Current Oligarchy, its politics and related corruption must be swept away prior to that becoming possible. Meanwhile, the world moves ahead while the Outlaw US Empire declines as loses relevance accept as the world's #1 polluter.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2019 23:02 utc | 237

Sasha @ 242
That's and amazingly accurate short speech. Great link.

'Our enemies are not in the poorest countries on the planet, but right here in the richest one'

Re: climate.

I think this young Swedish girl is being very effective at drawing attention to the human responsibility of taking care of our only planet. We are well advised to reduce plastic, get recycle levels to 100% wherever possible. (Nature has been doing 110%+ recycling for billions of years, we're here due to that efficiency). We're burning our future by every %point below this. I also feel the narrative should be expanded to look at what other forces act upon climate other than humans, because stellar forces have always affected the planet.

Here is analysis of solar driven assessment on siesmicity - which appears to be on an upward trend:

http://ievpc.org/prediction-scorecard.html

Posted by: dennis | Sep 23 2019 23:04 utc | 238

@Bonbong
It is sad, your playbook is literally the same as I've seen dozens of times and in different places.
Either you're a paid troll by some eco-charity, or else climate panic-mongers are a seriously unimaginative and incapable bunch.
Given the enormous amounts of money spent to propagandize - and yet fail - I lean towards the 2nd explanation.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 23 2019 23:16 utc | 239

The propagandists of capitalism all make the same master

Nayirah's testimony in 1990 denouncing that Saddam Hussein's army took babies out of the incubators to die served George Bush Sr. to justify the first Gulf war. But that testimony was false: a whole assembly....

https://twitter.com/FlixUjo/status/1176246122215612417

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 23:34 utc | 240

playbook lol. backing basic science is a "playbook" for the science deniers. others try to glom onto b's criticism of thernberg to claim b is claiming the science is bogus. he can of course clear this up, but i don't think he said any such thing. if elon musk wants to scam people into financing a trip to mars, it doesn't refute the science of space travel. that's why it doesn't matter whether the girl is a neoliberal pawn as far as the validity of the science is concerned.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 23 2019 23:35 utc | 241

@Posted by: dennis | Sep 23 2019 23:04 utc | 262

That guy is a "crack", I can asure you, this is why he got arrested in 2010...Not Nobel Pirze for him....
Any idea where can he be right now?
You should simply locate the guy and make him your leader..."we must fight, we must fight, we must fight..."..."we must shut off the business as usual"...
It´s the best I heard coming from the US since I was born....I thought there was no people like this in the US because of decades of brainwashing...

My respects to the veterans community of this kind....

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 23:39 utc | 242

@231 karlof1.. thanks so much! and for all your many posts! i will watch the documentary - the end of suburbia - and others can do here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3uvzcY2Xug

it is funny, but i was reading a cbc article on the housing crisis in pei - prince edward island -one of the provinces in canada.. i commented on the thread in the comment section... the world is really messed up! here is the link to this article for anyone interested...

i wish they had that calculator for canada, but it is shocking the cost of living in the usa.. i am fortunate and glad we own our own home... i agree with you karlof1.. people can't afford to live in this world today, especially in canada and the usa.. it is insane..

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2019 0:00 utc | 243

After all the tonterías published here by the chistosos on duty...I guess Bernhard would not mind....

https://twitter.com/LosifBikes/status/1176243827981672448

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 24 2019 0:05 utc | 244

@ Sasha 267,

There's a distillation process that can happen in the military, some stay on the reservation and become hero's, war salts or victims but stay inside the usual narrative. Others go sour into bitterness, yet a small few deeply observe the layers and the stories within stories until they unfold deeper and shockingly painful truths at the end of some long dark stinky rabbit holes. This reality is so hard it can drive the new observer to despair into a bottle, narcotics or other self destruction. A rare few are incensed and invigorated with a fire to rise up and share such injustices to put an end to the sufferings of others.

Nobel Prize is a kabuki mockery, "The Trial of Henry Kissinger" is a good read. I've met a small few veterans who've seen the sh*tshow in it's full reality, If they were elected to office with their old squads as heavily armed rangers, the swamp could possibly shrink some, a shocking many established heads would need to roll.

Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 0:09 utc | 245

@Posted by: Sasha | Sep 24 2019 0:05 utc | 269

Extracted from Lósif Stalin´s Twitter account @LósifBikes who claims....

"I've been dead for some time, stop increasing the death toll under my responsibility, thanks ..."

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 24 2019 0:09 utc | 246

dennis @262--

Ever hear of the Gaia Hypothesis now known as Earth Systems Theory or read the initial book by James Lovelock? Daisyworld is its famous if simple computer model that provided a template. In essence, what you call "stellar forces" have remained relatively constant over time while dynamics on the Earth change which is what Daisyworld is meant to illustrate. Of terrestrial forces, Plate Tectonics are the most powerful force that's sculpted our current topography which will continue to evolve with or without humans. Often, humans forget just how miniscule they are in the overall scheme of existence as the microcosmos has far more power over atmospheric chemistry than humans and are responsible for maintaining the relative chemical equilibrium we now enjoy. It's quite likely that all the additional carbon that's been introduced so rapidly into the geochemical cycle will result in a correction induced by microbes as they bloom in ever increasing numbers to absorb the excess carbon but in doing so create anoxic zones in marine environments; and in extreme cases, terrestrial hydrogen sulfide pools that are fatal to animals when they intrude, like those along the coast of Brittany.

The point isn't to say the Climate Crisis isn't a threat. Rather, it's that humans are altering the current ecological balance that in itself isn't the overall norm for the earth over its 4.5Billion year history and that with or without human aid the Earth will self-correct over time; and that if humanity wants to continue as undisturbed as possible, it must change its behavior and thus aid the Earth. Most of the needed alterations are well known having been proposed 20+ years ago. What's mostly required are behavioral changes, not exotic high-tech fixes, particularly in the #1 polluting nation and those that have aped its social organization.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2019 0:18 utc | 247

james @268--

Thanks for your reply! Prince Edward Island gets a heap of rain, fog, is heavily forested, and is a good place to fish as far as I know. I once thought of taking my boat up to Washington then making my way through the passage up to Alaska over the course of a Summer, but that's now rather unlikely. That EPI calculator has come in handy ever since they came up with it, and it gets refined yearly. The Neoliberal Bubble Economy is what's caused it all. The house we owned in San Jose was sold in 1965 for just under 7K; we sold in 2003 for 570K, and now it would list for close to a million--that's what's insane!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2019 0:28 utc | 248

@Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 0:09 utc | 270

A rare few are incensed and invigorated with a fire to rise up and share such injustices to put an end to the sufferings of others.

"Esos son los imprescidibles...."

Nobel Prize is a kabuki mockery,

Of course, I only mentioned it in harsh contrast, because Greta is nominated...

Te doy una canción...

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 24 2019 0:30 utc | 249

@ Sasha 271

I go to for some of my euronews. It seems to have a more interesting underbelly twist on the news than some other players. Arrest and incarcerate to the limits of tolerance is the foolish mantra playing out.

Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 0:37 utc | 250

late here, past my bedtime! Sorry B seem to have a keyboard user issue!

Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 0:39 utc | 251

@Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2019 0:28 utc | 273

The house we owned in San Jose was sold in 1965 for just under 7K; we sold in 2003 for 570K, and now it would list for close to a million--that's what's insane!!

Well, no wonder you have nothing to oposse to Greta´s "movement"...and at the same time you are always so optimistic....
Are you a neighbor of Pat Lang, or what? At least you find it scandalous....

I am starting thinking, since a while already, that, apart from the privates, you are way too much overpayed in the USAF...and that is only one of the multiple reasons related to Pentagon why the US debt ( to be shared amongst every US citizen, included privates and dissabled veterans...) is in the trope mil trillions...

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 24 2019 0:48 utc | 252

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 23 2019 6:40 utc | 181

You are welcome!

Peter, in my opinion, the use of peanut flour in low doses in the treatment of peanut allergy described in the articles is not immunotherapy in its pure form, but most likely homeopathy, or even isopathy, which official medicine is trying to brush aside.

Posted by: Sergei | Sep 24 2019 0:57 utc | 253

@273 karlof1... the rise in real estate - houses and etc - has replaced the internet stock market bubble of the past...well, maybe they are still in a bubble - i don't follow it.. but our house we got for 130 grand in 2002 could probably be sold for over 500 g now.. it is just completely stupid, but it is very unfriendly for anyone not already in the market.. now it is just people inheriting... i had heard that regarding pei, the capital - Charlottetown - has had an influx of inheritance money being passed onto younger people who are seeking an alternative to toronto and montreal housing prices and a different life.. pei weather is nice for a few months and it is a beautiful place, but not that big of an island as vancouver island.. pei - The main island is 5,620 km2 (2,170 sq mi) in size. and vancouver island - The island is 460 kilometres (290 mi) in length, 100 kilometres (62 mi) in width at its widest point,[5] and 32,134 km2 (12,407 sq mi) in area. clearly vancouver island needs to be a province!!

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2019 0:59 utc | 254

@Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 0:37 utc | 275

The federalization of Europe is a liberal idea to break down current nation states to make them more permeable to transnational capital and corporations...promoted here by the ELG ( European Liberla Group )leade by Guy Verhofstadt and...Soros...

Not in vain the "Catalan independentist movement" is in full solidarity with "Hong Kong Color Revolution"...

Are you a liberal then?

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 24 2019 1:00 utc | 255

@Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 0:37 utc | 275

Spain is a US/EU satrapy, all the more with this "fake socialist", president in functions, Sánchez...His bases asked him, when the PSOE party won at last national elections ( although not with a majority which allowed it to govern alone...)not to make any deal with the "new right", he promised to do it, then followed some months of kabuki and , and finally what Banco Santander wanted prevails...He launched the offer to the "new right" Ciudadanos and despised the more than 40 seats of Podemos ( "new left"..)...

What that unveiled is that the pact of 78 to put and end to the dictatorship, with harsh conditions, keeps in force, that oligarchies and the US Embassy dictate who can govern in Spain, and mainly that the left, the "real", is forbidden to rule in Spain...in spite of the popular will...

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 24 2019 1:08 utc | 256

@ Sasha 280 281

Am I a Liberal? - I don't think I really know what that word means anymore. It used to mean one thing in the USA and another in broad European usage. I don't believe either holds water these days, the western model being proven to be unsound and increasingly so over the next 5 years or so. Economics is basically a form of magic. To watch Jordan Peterson and Slavoj Zizek go at each other's belief systems only really signals that both models have their shortcomings. We clearly need the motivation of capitalism to get our brightest out of bed in the mornings, but without the community care of some form of social Marxism we are not going to solve the unprofitable problems (Pacific Garbage patch, Fukashima ongoing radiation leaks, Amazon deforestation etc) to the benefit of the greater ecosystem that we need to stay alive. I believe in the fullness of time we will - if we're smart enough - we'll move towards a different trade/exchange format that will have an environmental aspect built in. "eco-ism," "sustainability-ism" or some other model. China's prowess on the world stage is in part due to the President of the Country also being the President of it's central Bank, it's brought many out of poverty, but draconian. It's called communism but it's several evolutions different from the French revolution form, and the Soviet, it's also unforgiving to its opposition and internal detractors.

I'm not a fan of a Federalised Europe, and feel it's implementation would be chaotic to say the least. François Mitterrand was asked in retirement "Why when he was the EU President did he agree to introduce the €uro, when with no Central Bank with direct currency control over each European govt. could he hope to make the €uro work?"

He replied that he knew it would likely fail, but felt he had to introduce it with this knowledge in mind - even though all the economic advisers indicated it would be impossible to keep it working in the absence of continuous growth - it would likely fail in the medium term. So he knowingly introduced it with the knowledge that it would eventually fail.... "Why?" came the response "well because Europe would federalise in the crisis that followed, and as a result of that, we would eventually get a unified Europe, but it would need the disaster before people were ready to face that decision.

My jaw actually dropped when i heard this explanation, and it took some moments to fully digest what Mitterrand was saying. I still don't know if I agree with it, (as a reality or as a logic) but if Europe is to hold it's own against a powerful China and powerful USA (or whatever trading blocks are arranged in the future) it does need to be a leaner and far more holistic body - also one in my view as far from the guidance of señor Soros and ilk as possible.

An interesting global currency that was once proposed was the "Watt". Or units of energy. This is an interesting concept, it is unlikely to be welcomed in the first world as its a vice of ours to charge small vulnerable countries as much as possible for energy. If energy became the currency such inequalities would become immediately visible to all and manufacturing swiftly disperse on energy prices with movements to balance energy follow shortly after. I guess we will see as the future pans out. I don't feel the current models will hold past the mid 2030's if they get that far.

This guy nails the problem in europe and how if will unspin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WclYu5l4G0

apologies in advance for typo's, I'm too tired to edit more, hope its readable enough.

Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 1:54 utc | 257

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-un/european-powers-back-u-s-in-blaming-iran-for-saudi-oil-attack-urge-broader-talks-idUSKBN1W81TK
Britain, Germany and France backed the United States and blamed Iran on Monday for an attack on Saudi oil facilities, urging Tehran to agree to new talks with world powers on its nuclear and missile programs and regional security issues.

US will now use the snapback provisions in the JCPOA.
https://www.undispatch.com/why-the-snap-back-provision-is-the-most-brilliant-part-of-the-iran-deal/
"The deal signed this morning creates an eight member panel, called the “Joint Commission” to serve as a dispute resolution mechanism. The members of the panel are the five veto-wielding members of the Security Council, plus Germany, Iran and the European Union. There are eight members total. If a majority (5) finds Iran to be cheating, the issue is referred to the Security Council. No single country has a veto.

And here is where things get interesting. The language of the nuclear deal says that the vote in the Security Council would not be to reimpose sanctions. Rather, the Security Council must decide whether or not to continue lifting the sanctions. And if they fail to do so, the old sanctions are snapped back into place. This framing obviates the prospect of a Russian veto, and it all but assures that if the Western countries believe that Iran is cheating, sanctions will automatically be re-imposed."

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 24 2019 1:57 utc | 258

dennis @282,

If you think fame and fortune are why our best get out of bed in the mornings, you're a sucker. Only the clever and venal need money to get out of bed in the morning. Others do it for the love of knowledge and to scratch their own itches. If they don't want to do that they can always farm.

The brainwashing is very thick in the West.

Posted by: Jonathan^-1 | Sep 24 2019 2:18 utc | 259

Jonathan @ 284

Please understand I'm not talking for myself. We unfortunately live inside an economic model and while the necessity of that may only really rear the ugliness of it's true self in the likes of sanction hamstrung Venezuela. Maslow will tell us we need warmth, shelter, food and stability before we reach our higher functions of altruism and our other higher conscious capacities. Necessity is a prime driver at base levels as anyone who's crawled out of poverty will attest. Sure it's western boiling frog drip feed, yet it's also the sea we swim in, unless you're writing from a pacific atoll garden paradise self sustaining intentional community? (If so when can I visit?)

Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 2:47 utc | 260

Peter AU 1 @283

Contrast this Western unity with the recent celebration over Macron's talk with Ambassadors where he paid lip service to problems in the West. For example, he complains that the West has lost political vitality compared to Russia, China, and Iran - while Gilets Jaunes protest against him every week!

Macron is part of the problem - as is the entire political establishment - but a few words from a Western "leader" allow apologists to pretend that reform is possible and Democracy Works!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 24 2019 3:11 utc | 261

Sasha @ 277--

Your assumptions regarding myself serve you very poorly. I've refrained from commenting on the little girl aside from providing a short excerpt from her appearance before the US Senate because what she uttered was 100% correct. You certainly made no objection. I've commented often and at length about the Climate Crisis over the years I've commented at MoA. Some are above and ought to show my grasp of the problem. And above, I offered solutions, but you don't engage with those. The equity we had in our San Jose home was put to use in lessening our ecological impact; have you done the same--reducing your carbon footprint?

FYI--I worked long and hard in the Food Services/Hospitality/Entertainment Industries before returning to college to earn my degrees and teach, which is also a taxing underpaid profession. IMO, I earned what I now possess honestly through decades of effort. My wife agrees, although she still works while I'm now retired. We do what we can to ease the plight of the homeless and battered--what do you do to aide your fellows?

FYI--You picked the wrong person to attack. Give it up now.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2019 4:14 utc | 262

@ sasha.. i agree with karlof1... you are better served many other ways.. stay positive.. speak your bit but be respectful of others too... i have said a lot of derogatory things about pat lang, but if he was here posting i would approach it differently.. he has his own website and is very dictatorial in his attitude towards others posting on his site.. thus, i don't post on his site anymore.. however he still offers worthwhile commentary that i appreciate too... karlof1 is a thoughtful and generous poster here at moa..

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2019 4:55 utc | 263

continuing @286

Macron's speech to/discussion with the Ambassador's will likely be viewed as part of the effort to seek peace with Iran which Trump is also now criticized for. Warmongers can conveniently point to Trump and Macron's peace-seeking as wrong-headed, while touting these leaders peaceful intent and patience with Iran/Russia/China to the Western masses.

When the time is right, Macron, Trump and other "leaders" will declare that their peace initiatives have been spurned and war is necessary. A compliant MSM will reinforce their "war is forced upon us" message.

Anyone knowledgeable of history and recent history, like many at MoA, can see its all a set-up.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 24 2019 5:03 utc | 264

A few times Iran seems to sniff a bit of independence, but there master gives a quick tug on the leash and any untoward thoughts are gone. US intelligence has embedded itself so deep into Europe that if the euro twits have the odd independent thought or not is perhaps immaterial.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 24 2019 5:20 utc | 265

Not sure how Iran got in there. Replace Iran with France.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 24 2019 5:21 utc | 266

Thomas Cook filing for bankruptcy right when MSM are reporting riots in Egypt... Maybe not unrelated.
Turkey and Egypt will likely suffer an economic shock from the loss of the thousands tourists (plus unpaid bills for the last summer).

Posted by: Mina | Sep 24 2019 8:03 utc | 267

Thomas Cooke's demise would not be driven by the eroding of the middle class in the Western economic sphere would it?

The steady transfer of wealth up the pyramid, or down the funnel, depending on your perspective leaves ever less for the little luxuries, and guess waht, eventually all that overhead becomes too much to service too few customers.

As for the failure of the Uk gov to bail them out. Why the hell should they. it is a publicly listed company. Let the shareholders spring for the bills or let it go broke.

Posted by: eagle eye | Sep 24 2019 8:41 utc | 268

Mina @ 292

Thomas Cook were for their entirety a High St. brand and suffered loss to expedia, and other online suppliers. Their model was all-in package holidays in a market that has been shifting to airbnb type unique experiences. They have suffered in the "race to the bottom" with their High St and Hotel reservation overhead. This coupled with a bad merger that brought scale at the cost of profits meant they would be one of the first to go to the wall in a tightening market. One of the last nails was perhaps British holiday Brexit anxieties, and that they catered to the less internet savy consumer - who are sadly the left behind segments of society and usually with that a lower spending client. Perhaps the final nail was Arab Spring 2.0 and perhaps Turkey's proximity to Syrian/Israeli tensions, as I believe one of their most popular resorts was Cyprus (and it's marine oil drilling tensions). It's all dust in the wind now, no bail out would have saved them, as they're another part of the High Street collapse and more will follow before this is done. For once this cannot be laid at the door of Amazon.

Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 9:32 utc | 269

USA bans Russian representatives from attending United Nations General Assembly

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4102885

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24 2019 9:36 utc | 270

Mina @ 292

I should have added in with Brexit anxieties ".....and a weakening pound"

Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 9:36 utc | 271

I agree but there was certainly a way to predict it was coming. Apparently some ppl have made a lot of money on CDS betting against TC.

Anyway, I love the gods of Brexit: suspension of parliament illegal rules the UK supreme court. BoJo embattled said he won't quit. Let him seek asylum with Trump while he is in NY.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 24 2019 10:05 utc | 272

Sasha 14#

Thank you for your comments in general.

The WordWildLife fund was longtime presided by Prince Bernhard von Lippe-Biesterfeld,married to Queen Juliana of the Netherlands.He was known to fund the Bilderberg Conference in 1954,and liked to go on safari,killing big animals for his pleasure.It's just one of those ONG that have a favorable public image,like Amnesty,Human Rights Watch,Handicap International and many others.Of course some of their action is legitmate,and beneficial,but beware of members of those 20th centuries "tribes",who sometimes post coordinates of buildings and house to be bombed,like in Lybia.

Posted by: willie | Sep 24 2019 10:56 utc | 273

Peter Koenig addressing the gorilla in the room:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/peace-versus-climate/5689953
also on Saker

SyrianGirl says it best:

"What @GretaThunberg parents won’t tell you:

“People are dying”, says #GretaThurnberg while she bro-fists Obama, killer of millions destroyer of worlds, Iraq, Libya and Syria.

(thanks karlof1 for the link to her gems)

Posted by: ziogolem | Sep 24 2019 11:05 utc | 274

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 23 2019 18:57 utc | 242

You are stating a wrong dichotomy.

What is the cause of war? People fighting for resources. If there is more - this time existential - scarcity, then wars will grow.

Reducing drought and scarcity of water reduces the risk of war.

People stopping to buy stuff will stop capitalism. Green technology will be the last wave.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 24 2019 11:18 utc | 275

So they are plundering the poor,and planning to pillage to make us even poorer.But it's still only money,you know the devil's faeces.I really wonder why there a so few people to think about ditching the money system.You wanna live like pigs in the mud,and pay taxes on the air you breath?

Don't you see that you are still playing their game? You merit nuclear destruction,and I hope Putin is serious about that,because that's were we are heading.Nuke Russia,so Russia will nuke the rest of the world;Finally some peace on earth.Without any humans to spoil her.

Posted by: willie | Sep 24 2019 11:19 utc | 276

90# ZioGolem.

The Green Movement is a Pro-War Movement.

This is a fact,if you study the green party's voting over military intervention participating over the last 20 years,in regard to Afghanistan,Libya,Syria,etc.In the Netherlands,France,Germany,all green parties were pro-intervention,regardless of depleted uranium bombings.They put forward arguments like the schooling of little afghan girls,that's just their level of vileness.

Posted by: willie | Sep 24 2019 11:32 utc | 277

Posted by: willie | Sep 24 2019 11:19 utc | 301

Really poor people don't own cars anyway. Poor people have the smallest ecological footprint there is.

What you are protesting is the ecology of making everybody live like poor people.

This is a fact,if you study the green party's voting over military intervention participating over the last 20 years,in regard to Afghanistan,Libya,Syria,etc.In the Netherlands,France,Germany,all green parties were pro-intervention,regardless of depleted uranium bombings.

That does not invalidate the necessity for ecological policy. Green politicians are corruptable like everybody else. Talking about the German Schroeder/Fischer government - they came to power because being from the left they could do what Conservatives could not do - forcing the German workforce into global competition.

No competition for resources, no war.
The first world war was about coal and colonies, the second world war and the cold war was about oil and colonies, you think countries will go to war over ecology?
There might be a war about the last livable spaces, though.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 24 2019 11:45 utc | 278

BoJo should stay in his hometown and continue do his void duties.

"How will the prime minister respond?

James Landale

Diplomatic correspondent

We’re in the city of Boris Johnson's birth - New York - and he now finds himself closeted with his team desperately working out what reaction they are going to give to today's ruling.

He has practical decisions to make as well as substantive ones: above all, does he go home?

He’s got a full schedule of work to do at the United Nations: by my count he’s got at least seven meetings with other heads of government - not just with President Trump but also the president of Iran and various other European leaders.

He’s also scheduled to give his first ever address to the UN general assembly as prime minister. These are not small matters.

And there is also the optics of this: if he rushes home does he add to the sense of panic? Or does he say no, the business of government carries on?

Last night the government were briefing not to expect an immediate response, they would take time to digest it, simply because they didn’t know what the ruling was going to be.

And I doubt they anticipated entirely that this would be the outcome."
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-49807552

Posted by: Mina | Sep 24 2019 11:59 utc | 279

And guess who is paying to repatriate European Thomas Cook clients? A newly EU established guarantee fund, i.e. the taxpayers.
https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_le-fonds-de-garantie-rembourse-des-voyageurs-de-thomas-cook-neckermann-comment-faire?id=10323323
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/consumers/travel-and-timeshare-law/package-travel-directive_en

Posted by: Mina | Sep 24 2019 12:04 utc | 280

re Mina 304

Johnson is going home according to rumours. If he didn't, he might be unseated in his absence. In any case, it was widely forecast that something like this could be the court decision, so he can't have been over-surprised.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 24 2019 12:47 utc | 281

"Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Called 'Warmonger,' Town Hall Cut Short"

https://www.facebook.com/DisruptionNetworkCanada/

Posted by: arby | Sep 24 2019 12:56 utc | 282

Karlov1 @272 and 231

apologies, I missed your comment.

I've only really come into farming later in life. There is a certain insanity to a culture which in the face of population growth concretes over it's agricultural flood plains. My history is in construction engineering, so that pave paradise philosophy wore thin and I got out.

I'm aware of the literature and I do my part in reducing the impact of developed world living with ventures that can do this. I was part of a team that produced a social housing model which recycled 100% of it's waste material, and produced its own power, it met with an unfortunate political end for the moment though we still have the designs and hope to relaunch once debris field has been cleared.

I believe rightly or wrongly that solar cycles have an effect on climate, and that C02 tracks temperature rather than causes it. There is evidence that climate is changing on other planets in our system, and man is certainly not the cause of that. I do believe we are in a mess and we have entered into an extinction cycle which we may not make it out of. I would argue the case that we are not solely responsible for the climate shifts, and agree that large forces of instability are in motion and we need to act in a coherent and unified way over many decades into the future to deal with this, and if we do so it will change the way we live forever.

I'm not enthusiastic about entering into a extended climate debate, it's raging enough in many forums, and I've given my views on the matter a great deal of thought and research. I will have a respectful interchange of a small quantity of one's best material as increasing understanding and reading across the spectrum is usually a good thing. Beside that I'd prefer Servers not produce any more heat or consume more energy than necessary.

There is more to add, I'm out of time in my day right now
One of the many things on our "need to fix list".

The End of Suburbia documentary was a good movie.

I used to read with interest James Kunstler's blog.

I believe the earth is the raw egg, and the sun is the microwave it sits inside, I'm expecting more seismic volatility for the magnetic reversal duration.

You strike me as a deep thinker so you may enjoy this site:
Chapter 2 and 3 show that the models we use don't work.

https://dinosaurtheory.com/

Posted by: dennis | Sep 24 2019 13:29 utc | 283

What a joke, all the contradictions of the EU are embedded here.
Sassoli, President of the EU parliament tweets:"Important decision from UK #SupremeCourt to rule prorogation of Parliament as unlawful. Any Brexit agreement needs to be approved by both UK and EU Parliament, so proper democratic scrutiny on both sides of the Channel is essential."
Except that the real decisions in the EU are taken by the heads of states in the "European Council", not by the EU Parliament!

Posted by: Mina | Sep 24 2019 13:38 utc | 284

somebody @300: What is the cause of war? People fighting for resources.

The term "people" is misleading. Ordinary people generally aren't desirous of war.

What resources was USA fighting for in the Vietnam War? What "resources" did 58,000 US soldiers die protecting? The "Domino Theory" was known to be fallacious:

... the Domino Theory was determined to be unrealistic by the CIA on June 9, 1964. In 1964, President Lyndon Johnson asked the CIA to answer the question: “Would the rest of Southeast Asia necessarily fall if Laos and South Vietnam came under North Vietnamese control?” In a memo, the CIA answered that only Cambodia would fall to Communism if Vietnam fell.

IMO war is almost always attributable to a failure of leadership on one or both sides.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 24 2019 14:10 utc | 285

@307 Could be a lot more people in Canada feel the same way about Freeland. Trudeau needs to get rid of her before the next election.

Posted by: dh | Sep 24 2019 14:11 utc | 286

Link for the quote @309.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 24 2019 14:11 utc | 287

Wars are more likely when the government is not a legitimate representative of the people.

The illegitimacy of Western governments is the fundamental problem that citizens of those countries face.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 24 2019 14:15 utc | 288

Jack Rabbit @312:

The illegitimacy of Western governments is the fundamental problem that citizens of those countries face.

Correct. The government does not rule in the interest of its citizens here, never has except under threat of removal. Meanwhile our plutocrats work ceaselessly to thwart any regulation of their own activities or liberation of the proles. And we have corrupted our vassals too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 24 2019 14:28 utc | 289

143# FKA_Realist

What is not clear is the actual intent of the 1%'s "Save the planet" project.

Well I suppose the actual intent is world domination by resolving the problem of climate change,an issue that pretty everyone takes at heart,and which is exempt of the usual political ideologies.Of course ,eventually,it won't work,taking in account the generalized incompetence in every field that we are witness to.They are trying by linking climate culpability to the psychological mechanism ,now without object,with which the Church by it's mafia-like confession system dominated the believers.But the financial scoundrels see a good opening to become richer by taxing the people's ignorance,I mean C02.One needs to be brainwashed to admit that paying money is going to save "the planet". And it works.
Myself,I took the findings of the Club of Rome in the seventies seriously.More than half of my food consumption I produce it myself.My vegetables,I don't call them "bio",because that means accepting their lies.But of course I never use chemicals or artificial dung,just sheep manure from our sheep.

Posted by: willie | Sep 24 2019 14:38 utc | 290

Thanks for that Freeland link Arby.
dh that was Barry Weisleder denouncing the war criminal. Barry was banned from running against her for the NDP by the Blairites who run the party.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2019 14:46 utc | 291

Watching Trump make his UN speech. Absolute nutcase. Religious hatred for socialism and Israel's enemies. Began by saying how great US military was, most powerful military in the world by far, then talked about how great America was, then back to how great the military was, then listing all the evil doings of China, Iran, Venezuela and Cuba.
US wont be going down without a war. Thucydides’s trap.

Posted by: Peter | Sep 24 2019 14:47 utc | 292

College students in the US are increasingly finding ‘sugar daddies’ preferable to student loans - and can we really blame them?

66% of US college grads regret their education, study finds

What's interesting in this article is that the graph shows debt is not only a "millenial" problem: both the Baby Boomer and the Generation X have this problem, albeit in a smaller proportion.

After 1978, wages in the USA stagnated. To solve this problem, the government opted to stimulate indebtedness in order to sustain consumption. That's why debt is a lower problem for Baby Boomers than for the Generation X, which is lower than for the Millenials.

--//--

From Michael Roberts blog:

Europe's powerhouse, Germany is in recession if the current business activity indicators are right.

Germany's composite PMI (manufacturing and services) for September is below 50, indicating a contraction.

And the German IFO, another measure, is diving.

Posted by: vk | Sep 24 2019 14:50 utc | 293

Piotr Berman@245

The news about mass transit and Luxemburg is interesting. I look forward to watching this develop.
The Four Freedoms allow competitors, operating in the marketplace for profit, to sue governments doing what Luxemburg is proposing. Of course it might be that nobody will sue- which is expensive- perhaps because the market is not attractive.
The point that I was making, and it would be interesting to see you contradict directly, is that under the EU's basic 'constitutional' regulations governments will find it both expensive and difficult to take new industries under public control. Or to de-privatise formerly state owned enterprises.
Most Remainers appear top have missed the sysatematic neo-liberalisation of the European Community since the mid eighties. The social Europe of which liberals once dreamed is no more. In its place is a Thatcherite neo-liberal enterprise with a harsh, neo-fascistic foreign policy.
The fact that some conservatives, such as Johnson, want to accelerate the disintegration of European society by leaving the EU, does not contradict the reality that millions of British people voted to leave the EU because of its neo-liberal policies.
These people may be the basis of a rebirth of socialist politics in the western world and the break up of the Cold War alliances dominated by the United States and the former British Empire.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2019 15:10 utc | 294

that freeland is a warmonger - there is no denying that.. trudeau hasn't gotten rid of her... i hope the people in her riding are following her actions closely and vote her out...

Posted by: james | Sep 24 2019 15:51 utc | 295

Global Times op/ed on how world can get along without participation by Outlaw US Empire:

"The world needs a transformation from a unipolar order to a multipolar one, and all countries should build the new order together. Countries need to properly understand the US role and strengthen their cooperation on issues that the US is not willing to participate in. This is a great challenge to make sure the world enjoys long-lasting peace.

"If the US refuses to join the trend of globalization, so be it. The rest of the world can just cooperate and move forward toward a more unified world where countries care about sustainable development and each other's common interests. This is in line with China's vision of building a community with a shared future for humanity. Washington will only be isolating itself if it keeps swimming against the tide of globalization."

When I was in the US Army, there was a motto that went something like this: If you're unwilling to be part of the team, then get the fuck out of the way. As the generator of chaos, misery, inequality, and death globally, that's precisely what the Outlaw US Empire needs to do--Put its head back up its rectum and retreat behind its borders and the oceans, then reengage with the world once you've matured, which will probably take several hundred years.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24 2019 15:52 utc | 296

@319 Trudeau is either scared stiff of her or he's worried about all those Ukrainian voters in Alberta. Or both.

Posted by: dh | Sep 24 2019 16:14 utc | 297

@Posted by: willie | Sep 24 2019 10:56 utc | 298

Your welcome...
You are absolutely right about NGOs, of which you forgot to mention Médecins sans Frontières...which, not for to be mainly dedicated to medicin is free of sin...
I am not going to publish here my ecological or humanitarian contribution, as requested by "karloff1" ( if not because, contrary to his case, I am here expossed to my enemy, and thus have suffered so far several sabotages, at IT level before, and privaye propietry level lately, even with the scarce personal info I use to take care to show ...) but you could say a thick veil fell from my eyes when I discovered that they "only" worked in the "moderate rebels" zone in Syria ( especiallly during famous "Baba Amro Caliphate" ...), were accepting funds from the Rockefellers, and as a guinda, found them campaigning against Assad government on TV prime time just the previous days/hours to that famous strike by FUKUSA on Syria ( a country I happened to have visited years before so as to test all what was said were lies...)

All in all, I do not regret the good memories of the honest, good, generous, idealistic people I met, I mean workers on terrain...These people risked their lives and health on exhausting working shifts for crumbs, compared to what they could have gained practicing their profession in the EU, or even in the US at their young ages...only to help...which, as they realized, was a grain of sand in the desert...but , of course, these you will never find in $million dollar real state neighborhood....

I can not expand more now, still with jet lag and already at work, just three hours and a half of sleep today...May be later I will be answering karloff1....may be not....

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 24 2019 16:26 utc | 298

dh @322

"Why Canada Defends Ukrainian Fascism "

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/03/09/why-canada-defends-ukrainian-fascism/

Posted by: arby | Sep 24 2019 16:46 utc | 299

karlof1 @320

As you can from his UN speech, Trump is doing his best to co-opt Putin's championing of a multi-polar world of sovereign nations.

Western control is very much behind the scenes via propaganda, pay-offs, controlled opposition, etc. So they can easily tout sovereignty while convening with satraps, puppets, and bootlickers behind closed doors.

Likewise, Obama did his best to co-opt the Civil Rights Movement, pretending to be the culmination of that Movement. Police shootings and Black Lives Matter tarnished the establishment's "post racial" propaganda meme.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 24 2019 16:46 utc | 300