Thank you retiredmecheng #95. That was an excellent video presentation. NIST response will be interesting. We have waited a while for this panel to present their response to NIST and the wait was worth it. There must heave been some mighty important reason to drop that building and to prevent any access to the two burning floors.
I remember watching a video of multiple interviews with first responders and was gobsmacked at their tale. Only a controlled demolition will achieve the sight of that collapse. Simultaneous controlled demolition. That collapse could not have the observed uniformity when an isolated fire is concentrated in one corner.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 9 2019 10:48 utc | 103

From mind control to murder? How a deadly fall revealed the CIA’s darkest secrets – Stephen Kinzer/Guardian
I read about that a year or so ago. In one of the North Korea threads, someone posted some links to the Erik Olson website, in connection with the use of biologigal weapons in North Korea. If I remember correctly there was a very detailed pdf report, maybe published by or on behalf of Erik Olson, about Frank Olson’s death and the circumstances leading to it. It was a lot more detailed about some of the areas whitewashed by the Guardian article, such as connections between his trips to Germany and his realisation that germ warfare was being used in North Korea, and also more about the Porton Down war criminal William Sargant.

Posted by: BM | Sep 9 2019 11:48 utc | 105

Posted by: Mina | Sep 9 2019 10:50 utc | 108
Just had a look at present school and university curricula in Germany. This is definitively untrue in this country.
However, there are quite a few people warning that Germany is losing the artificial intelligence rat race.
The trend seems to be students mixing humanities with “hard science”. This of course serves “human machine” communication which is the goal.
I used to be brainwashed by a German philosophical tradition that claims that two opposing sides dissolve into a synthesis, so my guess is that things will balance out.
Israel has started to fight by drone as not to endanger their soldiers and Hezbollah concentrates on how to take these drones down (and vice versa). Let them keep doing what they are doing and the Middle East will be very safe.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 9 2019 12:24 utc | 107

@all
I just banned those two WTC 7 conspiracy trolls that invaded the comments 6 days ago. I don’t want these never ending discussions on my site. If they come back don’t feed them.

Posted by: b | Sep 9 2019 14:19 utc | 109

About the fall of liberalism in Northeastern Asia:
Krugman urges Korea to forestall deflation
Krugman — the father of Abenomics — is tactitly admitting his keynesian ideology is wrong. Now, all that is left is for him to openly defend austerity and we have a new liberal consensus for at least the next decade. Keynesianism will enjoy the glory of being the first liberal ideology to die twice — first in 1974-5 (stagflatio) which gave birth to the neokeynesians and the post-keynesians — and now, with the zombification of Japan and, soon, South Korea in NE Asia (the “Asian Tigers”).
‘3 lows’ become new normal in Korean economy
South Korea has a new motto: low growth, low interest rate and low inflation.
South Korea is going the way of Japan. No wonder, since South Korea is a bad carbon copy of Japan. This explains why Moon Jae-in is trying to link his North-South peace efforts to a new boom of the South’s economy. That’s also why the South’s reject the North’s “one country, two systems” reunification proposal — those chaebols need that cheap natural resources and workforce from the North to initiate a new accumulation cycle of South Korean capitalism.
And of course Japan continues to slowdown from its already stagnant levels. At this point, it’s not even news anymore.
On the other side of the Pacific:
S&P concerned over India’s weak public finances
Evidence is mounting on the hypothesis that India is quickly slowing down.
On the Indian ivory tower, reality crashes down:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02697-z
That’s some hundreds of millions of USDs down the drain, which is bad for a country were one third of its population doesn’t even have access to electricity.
With the economy slowing down and its Central Bank getting desperate, time is running out for the Superpower by 2020.
Better the reduction of Kashmir work out, because the neofascist government of Modi is depleting his excuses reserve.
In the West, denial is dominant:
US Treasury Secretary: ‘I don’t see in any way a recession’
I could quote some Marxist articles here to demonstrate Mnuchin is factually wrong. But I’ll be merciful to the anti-marxists in this blog this time and quote a bourgeois economist who’s at least honest in this specific issue:
Weak employment report confirms slowing US economy: Additional tariffs on Chinese imports due in October could push the country into recession

Posted by: vk | Sep 9 2019 16:09 utc | 111

retiredmecheng | Sep 9 2019 6:16 utc | 94
Thanks for your considered and clear explanations re: WTC 7 and its demise.
I agree that it seems undeniable that the building did not “fall down” due to a fire … at the time I assumed that they had filled it with explosives during the day, so that it could be demolished later. Was unsure of the why, but in the moment it was entirely clear that the building was deliberately destroyed.
Now of course we have additional facts, that there were important records of an ongoing financial investigation there, it was a CIA office, also the NYC gov’t under Mayor Giuliani (remember him) had it as the emergency command center, luckily moved that day to a temporary one out on the piers due to some military exercise or something.
Anyone with two brain cells can see that two planes can’t take down three buildings.
Finally to any honest skeptics out there who are unsure about the whole September 11th 2001 thing — there’s a lot of fake “9/11” stuff out there too about nuclear bombs, beam weapons, all kinds of nonsense put out to distract us from the reality that those three buildings, and the Pentagon too, were deliberately set up to destroy evidence and scare everyone into a panic so things could change politically.
If you look at what’s happened in the US and the world, things changed for the worse after the 2001 event. It must have taken years to plan and execute this criminal hoax. One of many I’m sure.

Posted by: jonku | Sep 9 2019 17:06 utc | 113

Somebody,
what keeps German humanities/social sciences researchers outside hyperspecialization is the fact they went through the ‘gymnasium’.
Later on at uni they DO get into a somehow very narrow field.
And for those who will succeed in the race, they usually forget about any form of cultural activities or leisure.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 9 2019 17:10 utc | 115

Strategic Culture has published two somewhat related articles of great importance that have nothing to do with Epstein or WTC-7/911, “‘The New Normal’: Trump’s ‘China Bind’ Can Be Iran’s Opportunity” by Alastair Crooke, and “Who Is Holding Back the Russian Economy?” by Tom Luongo.
Speculation’s abounded about the political loyalty of the head of Russia’s central bank Elvira Nabullina. Luongo simply explains:
“Nabullina has always been a controversial figure because she is western trained and because the banking system in Russia is still staffed by those who operate along IMF prescriptions on how to deal with crises.
“But those IMF rules are there to protect the IMF making the loans to the troubled nation, not to assist the troubled nation actually recover….
“The fundamental problem is a miseducation about what interest rates are, and how they interact with inflation and capital flow. Because of this, the medicine for saving an economy in trouble is, more often than not, worse than the disease itself.
“If Argentina’s fourth default in twenty years doesn’t prove that to you, nothing will.”
It sounds like he’s been reading Hudson’s J is for Junk Economics!
The real rescue is Putin’s aggressive de-dollarization policy that’s finally rid Russia of “dollar-dependency”:
“She [Nabullina] keeps jumping at the shadows of a dollar-induced crisis. But the Russian economy of 2019 is not the Russian economy of 2015. Dollar lending has all but evaporated and the major source of demand for dollars domestically are legacy corporate loans not converted to rubles or euros.”
The key for me is to weave the content emphasis of Putin’s Eastern Economic Conference speech with his increasing pressure on Nabullina for the bank to support this very important development policy direction and show China and other nations that Russia’s extremely serious about the direction being taken. Just Putin’s language about mortgage rate reductions as an attracter ought to be a huge message for Nabullina to respond properly. And a further kick in the pants was provided by the massive deal announced between China and Iran. Luongo briefly alludes to foreign policy in his article, its regional economic aspects, while omitting aspects hidden by the US-China Trade War, specifically Russia’s now very clear technological supremacy to the Outlaw US Empire.
This brings us to Crooke’s article in which he inadvertently tells us the #1 false assumption in Trump’s Trade War policy with China:
“To defend America’s technology leadership, policymakers must upgrade their toolkit to ensure that US technology leadership can withstand the aftershocks.” [My Emphasis]
Twice in the same sentence we get told what that assumption is: “America’s technology leadership” which so clearly no longer exists in weaponry, electronics, nuclear engineering, rocketry, high speed rail and mass transportation, low energy building techniques, and a host of other realms. This same sort of thinking pervades every defense doctrine paper produced during Trump’s administration–the planners have eaten and all too well digested their own propaganda about the backwardness of Russia, China and Iran.
I could write further about the supposed handcuffing of POTUS by the unconstitutional and illegal sanction regime “imposed” by the US Congress Crooke mentions as a significant hindrance–but if it was indeed a hindrance, any POTUS could break it by suing to prove its unconstitutional, illegal standing, yet no effort is put into that, begging the question Why? Crooke spends lots of space about this but fails to see the above solution:
“The pages to that chapter have been shut. This does not imply some rabid anti-Americanism, but simply the experience that that path is pointless. If there is a ‘clock being played out’, it is that of the tic-toc of western political and economic hegemony in the Middle East is running down, and not the ‘clock’ of US domestic politics. The old adage that the ‘sea is always the sea’ holds true for US foreign policy. And Iran repeating the same old routines, whilst expecting different outcomes is, of course, one definition of madness. A new US Administration will inherit the same genes as the last.
“And in any case, the US is institutionally incapable of making a substantive deal with Iran. A US President – any President – cannot lift Congressional sanctions on Iran. The American multitudinous sanctions on Iran have become a decades’ long knot of interpenetrating legislation: a vast rhizome of tangled, root-legislation that not even Alexander the Great might disentangle: that is why the JCPOA was constructed around a core of US Presidential ‘waivers’ needing to be renewed each six months. Whatever might be agreed in the future, the sanctions – ‘waived’ or not – are, as it were, ‘forever’.
“If recent history has taught the Iranians anything, it is that such flimsy ‘process’ in the hands of a mercurial US President can simply be blown away like old dead leaves. Yes, the US has a systemic problem: US sanctions are a one-way valve: so easy to flow out, but once poured forth, there is no return inlet (beyond uncertain waivers issued at the pleasure of an incumbent President).”
Being British, we should excuse Crooke for not knowing about the crucial Supremacy Clause within the US Constitution, but that doesn’t absolve any POTUS if that person is really intent on talking with Iran–or any other sanctioned nation. IMO, the Iranians know what I know and have finally decided the Outlaw US Empire’s marriage to Occupied Palestine won’t suffer a divorce anytime soon. The result is the recent very active change in policy direction aimed at solidifying the Arc of Resistance and establishing a Persian Gulf Collective Security Pact that will end in check mating the Empire’s King thus causing further economic problems for the Empire.
Crooke does a good job of summarizing my comment and many more made over the year regarding the reasons for the utter failure of Outlaw US Empire policy:
“Well, here is the key point: Washington seems to have lost the ability to summon the resources to try to fathom either China, or the Iranian ‘closed book’, let alone a ‘Byzantine’ Russia. It is a colossal attenuation of consciousness in Washington; a loss of conscious ‘vitality’ to the grip of some ‘irrefutable logic’ that allows no empathy, no outreach, to ‘otherness’. Washington (and some European élites) have retreated into their ‘niche’ consciousness, their mental enclave, gated and protected, from having to understand – or engage – with wider human experience.”
The only real way for the Outlaw US Empire to regain its competitive “niche” with the rest of the world is to mount a massive program of internal reform verging on a revolution in its outcome. It’s patently obvious that more of the same will yield more of the same–FAILURE–and the chorus of inane caterwauling by BigLie Media over where to place the blame.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 9 2019 17:24 utc | 117

Mina
Thanks for putting up the slate link. Conformation of what I was guessing.
The media lab seems to to a chunk of rot that was installed in the Massachusetts Institute of Technology by Nicholas Negroponte in 1985.
The greatly improved successor to operation mocking bird, Reagan’s perception management operation first kicked off in 1983. I think the media lab installed at MIT was very much a part of building that operation.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 9 2019 17:40 utc | 119

Now even the Trotskyists admit the protests in Hong Kong have nothing to do with the city’s working classes:
Hong Kong protesters: Turn to the Chinese working class, not US imperialism
But the greatest of the Trotskyist diseases remain: they insist to speak through propaganda as though they were actors of the movement. Their manifestos and propaganda speak in a way that it looks like they are active part, or vanguard in absentia, of any movement that involves a strike or a mass protest.
The reality is they are only a marginal, insignificant underground group of far-left idealists that, through the weapon of oportunism, sell themselves as something bigger than they really are.
Those students in HK never had any intention of fighting for the working classes, they don’t have the intention now and never will — precisely because they are fighting for the elite. They are not masse de maneuvre, but dirigents of the capitalist class.
Bet your life there’s no Trotskyist marching there.

Posted by: vk | Sep 9 2019 18:02 utc | 121

@donkeytale @8
That would be Maria de Lourdes Villiers Farrow. Yes, that Villiers. So no three generations, this crowd has been your master a long, long time. Partner Allen Stewart Konigsberg it is a bit harder to link straight back to James Stuart but it is undoubtedly there. So Stuart and Villiers get together again. Nothing ever changes.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 9 2019 18:21 utc | 123

Moscow Duma election was held yesterday (the one in which some candidates were allegedly blocked from participating, leading to recent protests). United Russia lost 13 seats, most of which were picked up by Communists:
2014 Results
United Russia: 38
Communist Party: 5
LDPR: 1
Rodina: 1
2019 Results
United Russia: 25
Communist Party: 13
Yabloko: 4
A Just Russia: 3
An interesting thing about this election is how close the race has been in some of the districts. For example, in the 2nd district Dmitriy Loktev (Communist Party) got 15091 votes, defeating Svetlana Volovets (participated as independent, but is a member of United Russia) with 14079 votes. In another example, in the 19th district Oleg Sheremetyev (Communist Party) got 12172 votes, defeating Irina Nazarova (independent, favored by United Russia) with 11558 votes.
Given that Russia is a “dictatorship” (according to some MoA commenters), surely the electoral commission could have added a thousand votes to swing the results in the ruling party’s favor? It would have been really easy to do as the election used electronic ballot scanners. And yet, the Communist Party candidates were allowed to win against United Russia candidates. Could it be that Russia is not a “dictatorship”, after all?

Posted by: S | Sep 9 2019 18:45 utc | 125

Edit
Wikipedia has it that MIT media lab kicked off in 85…

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 9 2019 18:49 utc | 127

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
“In 2011, Swartz was arrested by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) police on state breaking-and-entering charges, after connecting a computer to the MIT network in an unmarked and unlocked closet, and setting it to download academic journal articles systematically from JSTOR using a guest user account issued to him by MIT.[11][12] Federal prosecutors later charged him with two counts of wire fraud and eleven violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,[13] carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution, and supervised release.[14]
Swartz declined a plea bargain under which he would have served six months in federal prison. Two days after the prosecution rejected a counter-offer by Swartz, he was found dead in his Brooklyn apartment, where he had hanged himself.[15][16]”

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 9 2019 19:18 utc | 129

retiredmecheng, arby
I saw the video too. Looked very professional and they are allowing for feedback before publishing the final report.
They say that they took into account more info about how WTC7 was constructed than NIST did and thus did much more realistic modeling.
Comments here in the last few days (mostly on the previous Open Thread) about the report have been very interesting and helpful. Peter AU 1 questioned the findings of nano thermite, raising important questions about the dubious collection and high amount found in the sample. BM wrote to add that in collapse of WTC1&2, the antenna was the first structure that began to fall, indicating that it was the central core than collapsed first (the new WTC7 investigation determined that the central core collapsed moments before the entire structure gave way).
Respecting b’s wishes, this will be my last comment about this here but I will certainly be following developments.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 9 2019 20:42 utc | 131

arby
The NIST report on WTC 7 recommended building codes be revised for that type of structure. Structural design was the same for all three buildings that collapsed.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 9 2019 22:13 utc | 133

Thinking about delusions, the SoJ people are going through the dialectical process of liquidating delusions…a difficult and painful process – one that may lead to “Crimea” in the northwest of USA – in the fullness of Time. see > ” https://soj51.org/ “.
The State “representatives” have told the SoJ people “we do not meet with constituents”…well, that’s pretty clear, so what comes next?
One is minded of the prognostications of Dugin, Panarin, – and the implications of Szilard, and others…Orlov for example.
Imagine LA flooded by the sea in periodic tides, and how the Chinese and Slavs will come with deals…while the East Coast is swamped in civil disorders and bankrupt… Will, then, the West Coast Federated States not provide for economic and political association? Is the Pope Catholic?
Just now heir a-priori assumptions are false, but History implies that this will change, as the “delta E” remains an increasing factor.

Posted by: Walter | Sep 9 2019 22:41 utc | 135

Brexit update
No general election (as expected). Prorogation goes forward.
Several members of Parliament called for a new referendum.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 10 2019 0:41 utc | 137

Sometimes this place > https://cryptome [dot] org/ publishes interesting documents relevant to building codes and so forth.

Posted by: Walter | Sep 10 2019 1:29 utc | 139

Brexit
IMO most likely scenario is this:

BoJo gets nothing more from EU
Days before crashing out, Corbyn/Parliament demand that BoJo seek an extension in order to hold a new referendum
Referendum results in REMAIN as scare-mongering (Trump vs. EU!!) takes its toll

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 10 2019 2:44 utc | 141

So, are the Western MSMs seriously going to spam their HK propaganda everyday in our faces until the next TAM anniversary? Do they really think people around the world will not get sick and tired of hearing about HK? I certainly do already.

Posted by: JW | Sep 10 2019 3:20 utc | 143

psychohistorian
Duckduckgo turned over a new leaf back in 2013-14 and joined the watchers and censors. not censored as heavily as google, but subjects I research in 2013 would not in 2015. Yandex would bring up the relevant subject first search term, top of the first page.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 10 2019 4:10 utc | 145

Unanswered questions bug me, so I downloaded the drawings for WTC 7 and the NIST report which I could put alongside the AUF report. The NIST report is a very detailed summery, behind wich are many downloads of specifics on the investigation. I have only downloaded one of these NIST NCSTAR 1-9 (a little over 700 pages) to date which deals with heat from the fire and its effects.
What I am looking for the points where AUF results differ from NIST results.
One I have noticed so far, is the progressive collapse of the floors. NIST modeled this scenario including fire heat modeling from all floors that where on fire, whereas AUF only used the heat modeling for two floors, so the AUF floor collapse model had to assume all other floors still had full structural integrity.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 10 2019 6:00 utc | 147

@Peter AU 1: Don’t forget to send your comments to the authors.

Posted by: S | Sep 10 2019 6:53 utc | 149

I had also down loaded revisions.
This is one. Formatting does not copy and paste.
“The travel distance for walk off was 6.25 (6.25 is struck out) 5.5 in. along the axis of the beam and 5.5 (5.5 Struck out) 6.25 in. lateral to the beam.”
In saying that NIST revised lateral walkoff, UAF does not show what occurred in the revision (Axial swapped with lateral). AUF makes no mention of axial walkoff.
Most revisions appear to be typo type mistakes. Detail referring back to the wrong drawing ect.
Title of revision doco.
June 2012 Text Changes to the NIST Reports of the
Federal Building and Fire Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster,
NIST NCSTAR 1-9

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 10 2019 8:24 utc | 151

S “Don’t forget to send your comments to the authors.”
A bit like, out of kindness, letting a snake oil salesman know that he may have made a mistake.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 10 2019 9:20 utc | 153

Mistake first time round due to being pissed off.
Bush blows the shit out of Afghanistan for a couple of years, then just a few days before the the 2004 election, Bin Laden sends a video to Murdock Fox saying he dunnit. Murdoch, founding member of perception management, sponsor of MIT media lab perception management research and its founder, founders brother John elevated to Bush’s new position of “Director of national intelligence’. Somewhat incestuous.
Color revolution in reverse.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 10 2019 10:06 utc | 155

About the Chinese middle class:
China’s affluent middle-class growing increasingly anxious as prices rise and yuan drops
In the dramatically titled article, it mentions as problems:
1) Renminbi devaluation;
2) Pork prices’ rise;
3) Diminished returns on financial investments.
Renminbi devalutaion can happen and is normal in a fiat currency system. Middle classes all around the world are usually in favor of a strong currency because they have currency to spare. However, that usually means very conservative, “neoliberal”, policies that hurt the poor the most.
Those diminished returns on financial investment comes from the socialist character of the Chinese economy. As the article itself states, the problem in question is:

However, these broad macroeconomic trends hide micro currents that underlie rising concerns, meaning the desire to move money out of China for safety reasons remains strong, especially after Beijing imposed draconian controls on outbound investment and payments by individuals several years ago.

So, the middle class is angry at the govenrment because it is curbing a bunch of rich parasites to use Chinese wealth to siphon financial profits in the West? Is that the reason?

Annie Chen, a financial consultant at a private banking firm in Shenzhen who serves “high net worth” clients, said that in her experience the worry among well-to-do Chinese about the future is real.
“All my clients are really worried about the economic and political changes in the country,” Chen said, adding that as barriers rise to making investments abroad, rich clients with few overseas assets are particularly eager to transfer their money.

At the end of the article, it is disclosed the level of this “worriness”:

“[The urban middle class are] giving up the accustomed idea that annual income and investment can grow by 10 per cent or more, as before. For our middle class, I think it would be already very good to have a three or four per cent return, maybe even lower, for at least the next five years,” said Robbin Lin, a senior executive at a private bank in Guangdong.

So they now have to give up their stratospheric 10% return and settle for a very good 3%-4% one. Poor things!
But the most dishonest one is the pork prices’ rise:

This year, however, the soaring price of pork, a staple meat in Chinese households, and the weak yuan have intensified the sentiment that “we’re in trouble”.
“It feels like the bad feeling we had before has now finally been confirmed,” Long said.

The problem is this has nothing to do with inflationary (“keynesian”) policies by Beijing:

China’s consumer price index (CPI), a main gauge of inflation, rose 2.8 percent year-on-year in August, marking the sixth consecutive month that the CPI went above 2 percent. This was fueled by a rise in food prices and in particular the price of pork due to African swine fever (ASF).

China’s CPI was up 2.8% in August. Even the SCMP’s article admits that it was still in control:

The country’s urban jobless rate has also been quite stable at just above 5 per cent, while the broad consumer price index is still below the government’s target rate of 3 per cent.

The middle classes like to use inflation to appeal to the poorer working classes — specially on the price of food. The very reactionary Brazilian working class used and abused the rising price of tomato to wage a campaign to topple legitimate president Dilma Rousseff in the years before she fell. I’m sure each commenter here can find examples for their respective countries.
There’s a reason for articles like that in pro-Western media: after Tiananmen, a thesis rose in the West that China would fall to a middle class counter-revolution from within. 20 years later, they are still waiting.

Posted by: vk | Sep 10 2019 11:57 utc | 157

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 10 2019 10:06 utc | 156
If you believe Chaim Kupferberg the Bin Laden statement was needed because the money trail they had led to the head of Pakistan’s Secret Service and the Pentagon.

Thus, courtesy of The Times of India, by October 9, Omar Saeed was not only tagged as the “bagman” of 9/11, but he was now reported as acting under the orders of the chief of Pakistani intelligence. That in itself is not so surprising, as the ISI was long acknowledged as being the primary backer — pre-9/11 — of the Taliban. Yet why, then, would the U.S. government insist on nothing more punitive than the general’s immediate retirement? Here is one possible reason, courtesy of the archives of Karachi News, datelined September 9, 2001 (two days before 9/11, for those who didn’t notice):
“ISI Chief Lt-Gen [Mahmud Ahmad’s] week-long presence in Washington has triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council. Officially, State Department sources say he is on a routine visit in return to CIA Director George Tenet’s earlier visit to Islamabad…What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time Ziauddin Butt, [General Ahmad’s] predecessor, was here during Nawaz Sharif’s government, the domestic politics turned topsy-turvy within days. That this is not the first visit by [General Ahmad] in the last three months shows the urgency of the ongoing parleys.”

The story I came across is that the US intended to shift their support to the Northern Alliance as the Taliban were not viable as an internationally acknowledged partner. The only country supporting the Taliban except Saudi Arabia was Pakistan. On top of that Neocons at that time had a “Shiite strategy” for Iraq.
Who was on whose side intending what in the ensuing double and triple dealings is anybody’s guess. US government certainly turned deaf to all the warnings and 9/11’s impact was a kind of New Pearl Harbour.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 10 2019 12:28 utc | 159

Posted by: montreal | Sep 10 2019 13:25 utc | 161
Insurance companies usually have to pay the amount insured. It is a small occurrance in the unresolved puzzle how US trained hijackers from allied countries equipped with knives and box cutters came to fly two planes into the world trade center.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 10 2019 13:40 utc | 161

The thermal expansion numbers I came up with yesterday, although 50% more than the Truth presentation, from experience still appeared far too small. On checking this morning I found I had entered the wrong values.
The formula in this link is the formula I use the odd time I need to calculate linier thermal expansion. https://sciencing.com/calculate-thermal-expansion-steel-2705.html
Online calculator. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/linear-thermal-expansion-d_137
Linier thermal expansion coefficient for low alloy steels is 0.00000123.
Entering the correct values, 624 inches (52 foot) length, with a starting temp of 70F (21C) the expansion is 5.3687 inches at 752F (400C) and 9.2653 inch at 1247F (600C)
Truth put out a cartoon bomb presentation in 2017 titled “A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7 September 2017 Progress Report” The pages in this are not numbered.
The so called “A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7 Draft” is the cartoon bomb talking points fleshed out with much scientific sounding filler and fluff to dazzle the peasants.
The pages in this are numbered. Girder column connection that has been changed by truth to ensure the girder catches on the column flange is on page 77. Drawing showing correct geometry for this connection is on page 78.
In the cartoon bomb presentation, Truth have the thermal expansion of a 52 foot beam a ridiculously long way out of the ball park at under 2 inches. They have modified that in the fluff and filler report so expansion does not look too far out of the ball park, but still ensuring it is not enough to push the girder off its support.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 10 2019 19:43 utc | 163

searchterm ”
“911 perspectives
Public Master Class on the Events of September 11, 2001 ”
Livestream of events/ etc. Get a pdf flyer, and so forth.
………….
I would point out that paralipsis in scientific investigation may permit some specific “resolutions” or plausible explanation for one event or another, but that any explanation must avoid such errors in logic and account for the entire universe of events…including the actions preceding by months or years (PNAC white paper etc) as well as the “legislation” that was prepared in advance, the magic airplanes, and the physics of Pentagon, B 7 and the rest.
It comes down to believing your own eyes, or believing a fairytale.
………………..
After working the syllabus and passing practice exams, I walked away from the EIT exam when I realized that California and emplyers would use the “license” to control speech, behavior, and “truth” – not so very far from retmecheng who has provided his own explanation for his reluctance to sign petition… My character was/is more rebellious than his – and yes, it cost something. At that time it was 16 hours (4 sets of 4 hours over two days)of open book algebra. The open book was of no consequence because the average problem time was about 90 seconds. The same Gleichschaltung since 911 invaded even the trade unions to which I had escaped. I understand that the exam was later made less difficult because some races did quite poorly – how that made for better public safety or better engineering, or engineers, is another mystery, eh?

Posted by: Walter | Sep 11 2019 0:16 utc | 165

To the list of events that would have to nest into the entire scope or globe of 911 events in order to find consilience, add this: “9/11: 40 phone-calls that changed the world – but were they real?” @ off-guardian [dot] org

Posted by: Walter | Sep 11 2019 1:06 utc | 167

nothing new here but some must feel it is time for MbS to leave (he has put his brother in charge of the oil ministry a couple of days ago and the war in Yemen is lost)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49657908

Posted by: Mina | Sep 11 2019 7:05 utc | 169