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September 01, 2019

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2019-51

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Last night Saudi Arabia bombed a Houthi run detention center in Yemen's southwestern province of Dhamar multiple times. Over 60 people were killed. The prison was registered with the International Red Cross and had been visited by ICRC staff. The Saudis knew exactly what it was. Similar Saudi attacks on prisons took place in December 2017 in Sanaa and in October 2016 near Hodeidah port. Most of the prisoners were on the Saudi side of the war. Why did it kill them?

There are murky reports that several thousand Saudi proxy forces and Saudi special force are under siege north of Kitaf in Sadaa province in north Yemen: Mansour Hadi’s forces in north of Kitaf are still under siege by Ansar Allah and heavy engagements continuing - ISW News

As predicted the unilateral ceasefire ended after the strike. Syrian army artillery shelled some 'rebel' positions. Air attacks have not yet resumed. The Russian military smartly denies that it knew of the U.S. attack.

Other issues:

Loser of the week: Bretbug Stephens and everyone working for the New York Times. - LA Times / WaPo

The Epstein saga continues to make waves - at least in Britain. Peter Mandelson ex-Labour minister pictured shopping with Epstein 2005 - Daily Mail

The Taliban are winning in Afghanistan. Trump wants all U.S. troops out of there before the defeat becomes obvious. John Bolton is trying to prevent that. The welcome result: Bolton sidelined from Afghanistan policy as his standing with Trump falters - Washington Post

Israel is getting nervous: Israel is hiding its soldiers and Hezbollah is winning without firing a shot- so far. - E.J. Magnier.

While I wrote the above antitank missiles fired from Lebanon hit an Israeli military target. The expected strike was in retaliation of Israel's recent killing of two Hizbullah personnel in Syria and its drone attack in Beirut. Will Netanyahoo escalate and start a war to win his reelection?

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on September 1, 2019 at 14:11 UTC | Permalink

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b, usually I agree with everything you're saying, but I really think you are wrong about Brexit. There were many forms that the EU could have taken on. The neoliberal, non-democratic project that it turned out to be is the worst possible outcomes that I could have foreseen.

Posted by: Mischi | Sep 1 2019 14:31 utc | 1

I think the Bexit issue is the last chance the people of England will have, during this generation, to control their own governance and to be considered among the democratic nations of the world.. The risk in Capitalism is the government itself. When the government is monitored by journalism and law, fairness of morality and education of the masses that fits that fairness morality, and the politicians are all elected based on committed willingness to demand and to allow only the will of the people be enabled as a purpose or law of the government, then capitalism shines because the government will officiate the economy and prevent private or gangster monopoly powers to aggregate against competition.
In other words, in a democratic (bottom up controlled society) competition will flourish. But when the government is controlled by those who play in the competitive sport of economics, then the officials of government become the agents of the monopolist and all competing competition is eliminated. Only those few powerful enough to own the government will be allowed to play. The government itself becomes the virus that eliminates all fair competition and hands the spoils of that elimination to the monopolist.
Competition free economics ( something I call economic Zionism) is the end result of government merged to the private monopoly powers. The removal of privacy and human rights begins when those moral highly competitive rights are challenged and the challengers find their government, its courts and its bureaucracies all favor the monopolist. As rights disappear, private monopoly powers increase, organized crime moves in, and presto you have lost not only the protection of your government as to your rights, but you find that the government you so depended-on to protect your rights, and all of its agencies, are against your rights and will advance the cause of the monopolist against you forever..
I see it as now or never for the people of England.. who should dictate the outcome of these decisions such as Bexit: the rulers and their paid leaders or the people and their demands for the right of self determination and an human rights protecting government? It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Posted by: snake | Sep 1 2019 15:09 utc | 2

Re Brexit - the British haven't solved their Irish problem and Scotland wishes to remain in the EU. I see no easy, good solution to the mess. Yes, Brussels is full of unelected bureaucrats with a dictitorial bent, but so is London...

Saudi Arabia has bombed a detention facility in Yemen killing or wounding over 100 prisoners claiming they were targeting a missile factory. The Houthies have invited the Red Cross to investigate. Maybe the Saudis were trying to remove a bargaining chip by killing the prisoners or perhaps the facility had multiple uses - although it would seem a security risk to manufacture missile components near a prison.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 1 2019 15:21 utc | 3

BREXIT was sold to the UK just like Trump was sold to the US

The City of London Corporation does not want to be outed by EU bureaucrats, nor do they want to be saddled with ECB controls

@ b who asked
Will Netanyahoo escalate and start a war to win his reelection?
Yes, and its not so much start but extend and project into other areas.....the current Game afoot is for all the marbles and war keeps folks from thinking about the marbles.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 1 2019 15:47 utc | 4

thanks for all the information and insights b!

Posted by: james | Sep 1 2019 15:53 utc | 5

@pessimist, but has the Auditor General of the UK refused to sign the audit reports for the spending of the UK for the last 15 years as is the case for the EU?

Posted by: Mischi | Sep 1 2019 15:56 utc | 6

" Brussels is full of unelected bureaucrats with a dictatorial bent, but so is London..."
The significant difference being that, in London, there is a legal way of getting rid of them and thwarting their policies. In Brussels it is virtually impossible to control the Commission. Now that the majority of EU governments are US Satellites, not merely occupied like Germany, but bootlicking semi fascists as in Poland, there is little chance of prevailing in the Council of Ministers. And the Parliament is an impotent joke, nothing more than a talking shop (with the mikes turned off) full of over paid careerists happy to collect salaries without having any responsibility.
I am all for a United Europe, but not at the sacrifice of the possibility of democracy and not including countries dominated by enemies of democracy.
It is an irony of history that what has made the EU unacceptable is that, under UK influence it has become a Thatcherite institution. The UK's governments bear a large part of the responsibility for turning the Common Market into a neo-liberal command post to roll back popular rights and lower living standards with foreign policies built around the commands of the US Empire.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 1 2019 16:01 utc | 7

India in (double) trouble:

India’s GDP growth slowed in April-June

Statistics Office says GDP grew by just 5% in Q1 of 2019 fiscal year, the lowest since Modi won power in 2014

Since we already know that India's GDP growth statistics are pure bullshit, we can assume that its Q1 real nominal growth was more in the 2.5% range. Either numbers are inferior to China's. The government will try some typical Keynesian monetary tactics to curb this slowdown -- but it won't work, since India is a capitalist economy, and capitalist economies only really grow when profit rates are high, not when fiat money is plenty.

Looks like they'll miss that "superpower by 2020" target. Well, they still have one year and four months, so fingers crossed...


Third Worlders, grab your popcorn: the Western machine has entered into error mode, and is now doing color revolutions on themselves:

From Bodmin to Berlin, crowds vent their fury at Boris Johnson’s ‘coup’

The Western MSM doesn't know what to do. Maybe that's why The Guardian is featuring this on the bottom of their home page, while some 1,000 protesters wrecking Hong Kong's airport is on the top.

Meanwhile, it looks like AfD's march towards at least being the main opposition party in Germany for the forseeable future is inexorable:

Far-right AfD bids to encircle Berlin as resentment and division grow

Germany's reunification was a monumental failure. The only reason it wasn't an outright humanitarian catastrophe was because there was mass migration to the Western part. The damage, however, is permanent, and Germany will have to live with a failed half until it disappears from the face of the Earth.

In Italy, the Social Democratic Party (SD) stroke a deal with the Five Star Movement (M5S) to make a coaltion and thus stop Matteo Salvini from taking power:

Italian parties strike deal for new government in blow to Salvini

The euphoria in the Western MSM when this news broke out borders the pathetic. To begin with, this coaltion effectivelly means the end of the SD -- possibly, the last significant "centrist" partidary force in the country. This alliance will only slow down a little bit the inevitable, that is, the rise of the far-right in Italy. Indeed, the coaltion itself already seems very fragile.

Italy is already bankrupt and has no chance of getting out of it. The ony reason it is not already considered so by "the markets" is because it is part of the Euro Zone, which means that, if Italy defaults, that would also mean Germany's bankruptcy. It is the proverbial dead parrot from Monty Python. The structural problem is this: contrary to those small and insignificant countries from the PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain), Italy's economy is too big for Germany to bail out. Better to keep it in the limbo then and pray for better times in the long term.


Joke of the week:

China needs a serious bonding experience, and now: The global economy would be a very different place if China’s debt universe was open for business

So, evey day the Asia Times like to spit their psalms about how China is being devastated by 5D chess player Donald Trump and his ingenious "trade war".

The solution: ask China to save the international financial system by privatizing its own financial markets!

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2019 16:02 utc | 8

For those defending the 'poodle nation' trying to break free of the tyranny of Brussles, (author of the recent Skripal affair, tanker pirate, eager participant in Iraq, Lybia, Afghanistan, Syria, Hong Kong, India, N. Ireland, money laundering capital, etc) I seriously doubt that the lot of ordinary British citizens will improve in a Boris Johnson crash out.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 1 2019 16:49 utc | 9

You are right, Britain is as bad or worse than murica at cretinous deception and trouble making. In or out of the EU, Britain will still be a third world neoliberal dumpster fire.

Posted by: what did I just read | Sep 1 2019 17:13 utc | 10

I seriously doubt that the lot of ordinary British citizens will improve in a Boris Johnson crash out.
Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 1 2019 16:49 utc | 9

That's not the aim. The aim is that the lot of the 0.01% improves (at the expense of the 99.99%, naturally. Most importantly, they are desperate to avoid EU transparency regulations getting their hands on offshore finance/money laundering data.

Posted by: BM | Sep 1 2019 17:46 utc | 11

@ Posted by: BM | Sep 1 2019 17:46 utc | 11

I don't think there's a deeper reason for Brexit. In my opinion, this is a typical "scorpion and the frog" case: after the civil war of the 17th Century, the British elites have carved in their minds that it's better to conciliate with the angry masses now than having to face a revolution later.

Hence British capitalism has this "bend but not break" mentality: if getting out of the EU is the price to pay for the survival of the parlamentary monarchy system, they'll pay it. Better (in their opinion) to be boring than being that "rise and fall", rollercoaster capitalism that is the case of France (which was the cradle of the liberal revolution, in 1789) and Germany (which was unified by force, then almost fell to a socialist revolution in 1918 only to pay the price of succumbing to a higly bombastic and bellicose fascist dictatorship, which was, on its turn, crushed by and paritioned in three parts after an insane war of anihilation).

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2019 17:56 utc | 12

August 31 - Syria - Coordinated Foreign Airstrike Kills Leaders Of Two Al-Qaeda Aligned Groups

Both Syria and the Russian mod has said this is not true and the strikes only killed civilians. Also that they were not informed before hand on the strikes either.. And Turkey was not involved at all.

Posted by: Igor Bundy | Sep 1 2019 18:10 utc | 13

The neoliberal, non-democratic project that it turned out to be is the worst possible outcomes that I could have foreseen.

Posted by: Mischi | Sep 1 2019 14:31 utc | 1

I've never really understood this kind of meaningless abuse of the EU. Britain has a neoliberal regime, slashing regulation right and left to help profits. The EU is quite the opposite, full of the most detailed standards and regulations. Non-democratic, you have to be joking, everybody is fully elected, in one way or another, other than the administrators, who are not elected in most countries. By contrast Britain, for example, has an unelected head of state, a whole house of unelected lords, some of whom are hereditary, outnumbering the elected members of the lower house. And yet you do not accuse Britain of being undemocratic.

Not that I think that people like you are going to change their abuse. Truth doesn't matter these days, not even on MoA apparently.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 1 2019 18:48 utc | 14

@16 laguerre... what explains the eu's subservience to the usa on all levels?? i get that the uk is tied at the hip with the usa, but why also eu??

Posted by: james | Sep 1 2019 19:00 utc | 15

Only the Fed Can Save Us

That's not what you wanna hear if you're a pro-capitalist.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2019 19:03 utc | 16

@Mischi: Word. That comes from a German. The EU is a anti-democratic monster, for the neoliberal "reform" of their so called "souvereign" member states. Many on the left fanatsy that combining national states in super-states would somehow prevent wars, and unite the people. Truth is the total opposite: They kill democracy, they inflame conflicts, and only serve the neoliberal globalists elite.
Only souvereign countrys, that unite in free will when their interests align can be a Europe that serves their people and peace.
But the national states are seen as evil, and backwards.
Many on the left are caught in their delusion, and live not by reality, but by the utopia in their heads. And that comes from a social democrat. My party is gone nuts for many decades.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Sep 1 2019 19:15 utc | 17

Forgot: FINALLY the mustache menace seems on his way to early retirement. Though because of Trump that may either speed up, or turn to the opposite anytime. We will see.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Sep 1 2019 19:18 utc | 18

what explains the eu's subservience to the usa on all levels?? i get that the uk is tied at the hip with the usa, but why also eu??

Posted by: james | Sep 1 2019 19:00 utc | 17

I don't think they are really, but still too much. There's increasing tension between the EU and the US, Trump having foolishly revealed how the US takes the EU to be a rival, a long-standing American policy which was kept a secret previously. Old habits die hard, I think. We've been used to a Western alliance which was in the common interest, more or less. Now it is no longer, but the lagards like Stoltenburg haven't caught up.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 1 2019 19:19 utc | 19

re The "Why" of Brexit.

As an outsider, it is valuable to understand that only a true insider knows the actual "Why". All else is layers of cover stories and uncertainty.

A true insider is the creator of an event, such as a publisher who knows, in advance, exactly what he is going to publish at a known time and place and some specific effect it will cause. There is no doubt or risk on those parts of the event; you can bet/profit on it, and they certainly do.

Consider BREXIT: Any outsider can see interesting clues, such as...

Commonwealth Of Nations in terms of Land + Population:

The island nation of Great Britain created a loose federation of 53 "independent" countries, calling itself Commonwealth of Nations.
Compare the European Union to Britain's Commonwealth Of Nations:

Land mass EU:--------1,670,000 Sq Miles (28 countries)
Land Mass C of N:-- 11,567,000 Sq Miles (53 countries)
Population EU::-------510,000,000
Population C of N:--2,328,000,000

Great Britain has excelled at long-range planning since 1500s.
That planning vitally includes world surveys of all resources, from the Hakluyt compendia of late 1590s to current collections via Five-Eyes , etc.

Now re BREXIT, the insiders do the long-range planning. In more colonial times, that could mean leaving a quiet, residue [stay-behind] "crown" when leaving the former colonies.

Posted by: chu teh | Sep 1 2019 19:21 utc | 20

in London [unlike in EU??], there is a legal way of getting rid of them and thwarting their policies. Now that the majority of EU governments are US Satellites, not merely occupied like Germany, but bootlicking semi fascists as in Poland, there is little chance of prevailing in the Council of Ministers bevin | Sep 1 2019 16:01 utc

EU councils are elected, if in somewhat convoluted manner, but will leaving EU empower UK to be less bootlicking? Nobody forces UK to be more or less of a poodle, least of all, EU.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 1 2019 19:22 utc | 21

@21 Laguerre

Now it is no longer, but the lagards like Stoltenburg haven't caught up.

Stoltenberg was supposedly anti-NATO as a young politician, so he has caught up allright. This image is a clip from a norwegian paper when Stolteberg became NATO chief. It quotes him as saying years before "Norsk brudd med NATO vårt mål" ("Norwegian break with NATO our goal").

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 1 2019 19:32 utc | 22

Hong Kong: ‘Revolution is war, and no war is without bloodshed’

Ok, good to know.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2019 19:37 utc | 23

Just in case anybody wanted to see how a diplomat says "phuckyou" see twitter from >

Javad Zarif
‏Verified account @JZarif

"US denied us means of defense: We built missiles & US complains.

US denied us nuclear fuel: We made it & US complains.

Now US engages in piracy & threats to prevent Iran from selling oil to traditional customers.

Stop nagging @SecPompeo: We will sell oil to any & all buyers."

................. Very Cute!.............but it means>

That We Witness the Tai Chi strategies morphing in baiting the fat stupid white boys...

When strategy changes something's coming... Persia seeks fat boys make emotional errors...

Posted by: Walter | Sep 1 2019 20:34 utc | 24

@1 Mischi The EU quite simply is incapable of making decisions. There isn't a single initiative in the past 4 years which wasn't simply a follow through of from 1980 or before.
The strategy to combat or welcome African immigration? There isn't one. Still.

@4 Don't think of lies being sold to people over Trump or Brexit. Rather think of a large group of people who have seen no increase in income in 35 years while GDP has doubled and the top quartile have taken almost all the wealth increase. Inequality peaked in the 1980s and is back to 1930s levels.

These people have been completely alienated by Westminster and Brussels, by old Republicans and modern democrats. By Obama most of all (including BLM).

They are desperate for anything that sounds like politicians that listen. They jump for Trump and Brexit with no real concern that it helps them, simply that it makes threats against the elites that they don't like. Brexit and Trump are unfortunate side-effects of some powerful underlying forces that will rip apart old politics.

(Ditto Italy, Germany, France, Poland, Hungary AND Hong Kong).

Posted by: Michael Droy | Sep 1 2019 20:43 utc | 25

A really excellent piece of historical clarification on Voltairenet.

I've never been able to understand why "western" countries have consistently treated Russia and Russians so shamefully. As far as I've been able to tell, all Russia has ever asked from the rest of the world is to be afforded the same respect and dignity customarily afforded to all nations. Pretty much all they have received in return is slander and outright hostility.
And now we have hypersonic nukes involved...way ta go, USA : /

Posted by: robjira | Sep 1 2019 20:46 utc | 26

@ vk with the joke of the week....Thanks! Glad to read focus on the public/private finance issue.

@ chu teh with the education about the C of N.....Thanks also! I have not looked at the C of N like that in a while and it is good to be reminded.....Hail to the Queen and all that...My question would be how many would stay if they had a choice of a public finance alternative? Maybe we will see my question answered soon.

Can the Queen, christian faith and 24/7 brainwashing/propaganda keep the US/UK/Occupied Palestine and ??? masses from saying no to public finance....and for how long? Gawd knows Trump, Boris , Bibi and ???? represent questionable staying the Queen....grin

I had the fortune of studying the future for a year+ (1973) led by an anthropologist and have never looked at the social organization of our species the same since.

The West remains in the feudal era of global private finance only we don't get to know who the Lords are for sure because they have Trump, Boris and Bibi faces and all that media brainwashing and control of the narrative in front of the curtain.

The civilization of China is ascendant now and Hong Kong is not the same as the old Opium Wars BS. China has created and instantiated 13-14 five year plans as a Public Finance centered organization. And they are gathering various nations around them that are interested in NOT private finance led social organization.

We can only hope that the veils of ignorance about this stark choice in the core tenant of our social contract will fall quickly and the private finance social organization model evolves quickly.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 1 2019 21:09 utc | 27

A Rostech subsidiary has filed a claim against Boeing, demanding that a contract for 35 737-MAX airplanes be terminated. Avia Capital Service has accused Boeing of deliberate concealment of information regarding their airworthiness.

Posted by: Russian Ivan | Sep 1 2019 21:34 utc | 28

@psychohistorian 4:

Exactly right; thank you.

The amount of pseudo-populist support for Brexit among the readers of this blog is stupefying, and so is the false dichotomy when a Remainer is accused of being pro-EU as the only possible alternative.

The present EU is utterly non-democratic, neoliberal in its economic policy, and neoconservative in its submission to Uncle Shmuel. Similarly, a Brexited UK will simply take even more from its increasingly impoverished citizens. The Brexit saga is nothing more than smoke-and-mirrors, where the ruling class fops like BoJo and Rees-Mogg will continue to laugh all the way to the Rothschild bank.

Posted by: Theophrastus | Sep 1 2019 21:52 utc | 29

The perversity of the eu is staggering. They could have made it a giant step towards global democracy. Instead they chose to do the exact opposite. Brexit is essential, and should be followed br Grexit. The whole thing needs to come apart. Let it be just France, Belgium and Germany. If they want the eu they need to do it the right way; democratic first and foremost.

Posted by: paul | Sep 1 2019 21:58 utc | 30

UN@30 Then they need to go visit Taipei with that request, as the Nationalists cleaned out the mainland gold and currency reserves when they fled.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 1 2019 22:04 utc | 31

The Pessimist @ 34:

Bingo! I'd like to see Taiwan squiggle out of that one!

If the government currently in charge of Taiwan still claims to be the legitimate government of all mainland China (and now Hong Kong and Macau) in the form of the Republic of China, it should be responsible for all outstanding pre-1949 debts to the United States.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 1 2019 22:17 utc | 32

@ UN observer 29
re: Jim Mattis: Duty, Democracy and the Threat of Tribalism -- "Interesting reading"
How about reading more from Jim Mattis, the "Butcher of Fallujah?"
It's 'fun to shoot some people'

"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot," Mattis said, prompting laughter from some military members in the audience. "It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling.
"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 1 2019 22:26 utc | 33

Laguerre @ 14, James @ 15:

My understanding of the way the EU parliament works - and anyone here is free to correct me - is that while members are voted into the parliament by eligible voters in the constituencies the members represent, the members themselves do not introduce legislation to be debated on. The people who vote for the parties or the members of those parties appear to have no way of contacting and petitioning their members.

Legislation is introduced into the EU parliament by the EU Commission. Proposals for legislation to the EU Commission come from lobby groups which may among other interested groups include business groups and governments of individual EU nations.

This means that if the UK government wishes to introduce particular legislation that it knows the general public in Britain will oppose, all Westminster has to do is put it forward as a proposal to the EU Commission to be accepted or rejected. How that legislation, if accepted and becoming law, affects other EU nations probably depends on the wording of the legislation. This is how an apparent paradox of the UK reducing regulations on corporate entities while at the same time the EU can introduce other standards and regulations, as long as these don't conflict with what the UK is doing, can exist: because those UK regulations that favour corporations at the expense of public well-being have already been debated on by the EU parliament and found acceptable.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 1 2019 22:33 utc | 34

Posted by: Jen | Sep 1 2019 22:17 utc | 35

“If the government currently in charge of Taiwan still claims to be the legitimate government of all mainland China (and now Hong Kong and Macau) in the form of the Republic of China, it should be responsible for all outstanding pre-1949 debts to the United States.”

I suspect they would say give us back our seat on the UN and take away the PRC seat and we will be happy to pay those bonds. China owes the US so much, recognition, MFN, no sanctions despite human right abuses, free flow of technology and dollars to help them modernize. Certainly not treated like Cuba or Venezuela, or the former Soviet Union

This is as fake a trade war as I have ever seen. Tarrifs are paid by the American consumers, small farmers go bankrupt as China buys elsewhere. China used it as an excuse for its slowing economy and increasing unequal wealth distribution, and use nationalism to unite the people with Trump serving as their Goldstein. Trump looks like he is doing something for his mindless supporters. Win Win

Posted by: Pft | Sep 1 2019 22:47 utc | 35

What's the worst case in Climate Change? (Realistically)
Dr. Judith Curry looks at the actual research to understand what is behind various "projections".
A short summary:

1) The largest rates of warming that are often cited in impact assessment analyses (e.g. 4.5 or 5 oC) rely on climate models being driven by a borderline implausible concentration/emission scenarios (RCP8.5).
2) The IPCC AR5 (2013) likely range of warming at the end of the 21st century has a top-range value of 3.1 oC , if the RCP8.5-derived values are eliminated. Even the more moderate amount of warming of 3.1oC relies on climate models with values of the equilibrium climate sensitivity that are larger than can be defended based on analysis of historical climate change. Further, these rates of warming explicitly assume that the climate of the 21st century will be driven solely by anthropogenic changes to the atmospheric concentration, neglecting 21st century variations in the sun and solar indirect effects, volcanic eruptions, and multi-decadal to millennial scale ocean oscillations. Natural processes have the potential to counteract or amplify the impacts of any manmade warming.
3) Estimates of 21st century sea level rise exceeding 1 m require at least one borderline implausible or very weakly justified assumption. Allowing for one borderline implausible assumption in the sea level rise projection produces high-end estimates of sea level rise of 1.1 to 1.6 m. Higher estimates are produced using multiple borderline implausible or very weakly justified assumptions. The most extreme of the published worst-case scenarios require a cascade of events, each of which are extremely unlikely to borderline impossible based on our current knowledge base. However, given the substantial uncertainties and unknowns surrounding ice sheet dynamics, these scenarios should not be rejected as impossible.

RCP 8.5 information can be found here. Basically, that CO2 and CH4 (methane) emissions rates for 2020-2060 match emissions rates for 2000-2020 - which is very likely a literal impossibility.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 1 2019 23:07 utc | 36

Hong Kong protests will continue at least until October 1, as promised by Joshua Wong in a NY Times op-ed in which he describes the protests as constituting a "front-line" against the PRC. Articles in New Yorker and The Guardian this weekend feature protest supporters musing on "meaningful violence" and espousing literal Black Bloc theorizing on violent direct action.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 1 2019 23:15 utc | 37

Theophrastus @ 31

Exactly. Brexit is a means for the upper classes to scapegoat the EU and globalisation for the enduring levels of inequality that the British upper classes have instigated and maintained against the working class.

Breaking from the EU will not solve inequality nor will Brexit free Britain from will simply further impoverish the poor who must pay higher prices for imported staples such as food, medicine, clothes while the uber wealthy who've long since moved their liquid assets safely offshore into stronger currency denominated assets will then simply swoop in to buy up British shares and real estate on the relative cheap as the markets and Pound crash and crater.

And in other non-fake fake news, Jeffrey still dead.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 1 2019 23:28 utc | 38

judith curry is a shill these days for the fossil fuel industry. she hasn't published in years, and no it isn't due to some conspiracy to silence her, it's because she doesn't produce anything but blog posts. the projections have largely been accurate, or underestimates. at this late date, claiming the science is a conspiracy is irresponsible shilling for the most dangerous industry on the planet.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 1 2019 23:57 utc | 39


b provides a link to Magnier's latest.

I was pleased to see Magnier make reference to Netanyahu's use of tensions as a political tactic.

As many of you know, in the last Open Thread I was annoyed at Magnier's seeming inability to see beyond Netanyahu's press releases.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2019 0:16 utc | 40

re Mischi | Sep 1 2019 15:56 utc | 6
Don't be letting the facts get in the way of a bullshit yarn.
Interestingly that piece states "In 2006, John Bourn, then comptroller and auditor general at the UK’s National Audit Office, said he too would have been unable to sign off the UK’s accounts if he had been required to audit them in the same way as the ECA does."

The audit stuff is one of the classic memes put out by cummings to lead the types too lazy to check out reality by the nose.

There are a number of good reasons to leave the EU, but that, like just about every reason that has been put forward by the tories, is not one of them.

Why pick the stupid reasons instead of sound ones? Because then Johnson & Co would have to say why they hadn't amended england law to permit the re-nationalisation of failed privatised monopolies, or institute a more consultative method for making government appointments as those two areas (ban on re-nationalisation and the dictatorial way the EU Commission fills vacancies disregarding its own European Parliament) are the worst examples of EU neoliberalism, however these are repeated in the english political structure and the englander tory party has no intention of doing jot about either since the tories like un-consultative dictatorial governance when it is them doing the governing.

They are more interested in ensuring that the tax haven status of brit colonies (where more than 80% of the unpaid taxes of international corporations is routed) remains, so them and their cobbers can continue to collect their vig on the dodged taxes.

Regardless of whether leaving or remaining per se is good, only a dingbat would believe that a tory party brexit will be good for anyone other than the elite.
Still idiot englanders have been touching their forelocks as they act against their best interests since 1066 - why would anything change now. Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: A User | Sep 2 2019 0:30 utc | 41

donkeytale 41

I think you're putting the cart before the donkey. Brexit was driven by the little people. The vote was a ploy by the establishment that backfired. The same strategy, by the way, which Wm Gruff believes was behind Trump's nomination (which is deserving of note here despite the fact that it's actually counter to my own belief that Trump was meant to win).

In a somewhat light-hearted take on a serious subject, Brexit might be viewed as a typical complaint of Imperial bag holders: We ruled the world and all I got was this t-shirt!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2019 0:39 utc | 42

@ laguerre... thanks for the response!

@37 jen... i don't know or understand the mechanics of the EU or the UK in any significant way... as an observer looking out into the world today, it seems to me the idea of democracy has been beaten up pretty good and people from all over the world challenge this idea that these institutions are working for them in any way.. it seems like corporations, or the ceos from corporations have easy access to the political leadership in different countries - including where i live here in canada - but the ordinary person doesn't have this same access.. so i see a break down in an appreciation for what these institutions were supposed to represent and mean to the masses... maybe i was naive in thinking they were ever designed in an all for one and one for all type of way... they sure aren't behaving this way at present... so, the general malaise that we witness around the world today is testimony to all this... we all process it differently, by going into the details, or taking a broader view - forest for trees or trees for forest type of perspective... both are valid, but both are limited too..

reading others comments here is typically educational and informative.. we are all in this together.. no one has all the for brexit and the eu, i go back to how central the money set up is - finance - euro currency was introduced for who? how has it worked out for who it was set up for? sure, it has lessened exchange burden between european countries, but i think it has strengthened the importance of other major currencies and been a bit of a shell game for those who control finances on the world stage.. the euro currency has suffered in the long run, just like the british pound has suffered... here is a 10 year chart of us to euro exchange... i wish i could pull up a chart for the exchange rate on these currencies since the eu currencies beginnings..

i guess it is boring to say everything boils down to finance.. maybe this is why pat lang always wanted to label me an economic determinist! regardless, i think money is central to why these changes are being pushed on the public... i can't see the hand working behind the screen, but in general i always tend to view it like the 1% wanting to pull it over on the rest of us.. that must be my highland scottish-irish ancestry showing, although it is 7 generations back!

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2019 0:55 utc | 43

More about Trudeau le petit.

"... the Trudeau August 23rd statement is politically motivated anti-Russian propaganda which serves no Canadian national interest. Trudeau gratuitously insulted not only the government of the Russian Federation, but also all Russians whose parents and grandparents fought in the Great Patriotic War. He attempts to delegitimise the emancipatory character of the war of the USSR against the Hitlerite invader and thereby to discredit the Soviet war effort. Trudeau’s statement panders to the interests of his Ukrainian minister for foreign affairs in Ottawa, Chrystia Freeland, a known Russophobe, who celebrates the life of her late grandfather, a Ukrainian Nazi collaborator in occupied Poland. She supports a regime in Kiev which emerged from the violent, so-called Maidan coup d’état against the elected Ukrainian president, backed by fascist militias and from abroad by the European Union and the United States. As preposterous as it may sound, this regime celebrates the deeds of World War II Nazi collaborators, now treated as national heroes. The Canadian prime minister desperately needs a history lesson before he again insults the Russian people, and indeed denigrates the sacrifices of Canadian soldiers and sailors allied with the USSR against the common foe."

Posted by: bevin | Sep 2 2019 1:06 utc | 44

"I've never really understood this kind of meaningless abuse of the EU. "

To say that the EU is just the opposite of a neo-liberal regime it is necessary to adopt an entirely original definition of neo-liberal. And that is what Laguere here does:
"Britain has a neoliberal regime, slashing regulation right and left to help profits. The EU is quite the opposite, full of the most detailed standards and regulations."

Suffice it to say that both the EU and the UK are run by neo-liberal regimes. A point that I made clear above. The problem is that under EU rules future British governments are prohibited from instituting socialist reforms in, for example, the public utilities because by doing so they would be establishing monopolies.

As to Brexit being a project of the Financiers and The Establishment in the UK, it is certainly true that interest groups associated with them have sought to take advantage of Brexit. And that some ultra right Tories-known personally to me- have long supported it. But the great bulk of the votes, in the great majority of the Parliamentary Constituencies in the UK came from working people who had made up their own minds on the basis of their lived experience, that the EU was not to their benefit.
And, of course, the great bulk of The Establishment both Tory and Labour, campaigned against Brexit and argues against it. Those who believe that these people, who have dominated British politics for decades, do so out of their concern for the living standards and welfare of the working people ought to give their heads a shake.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 2 2019 1:28 utc | 45

@46 james - "the hand working behind the screen"

I tend now to see it as central banks doing the heavy lifting.

I've talked about Professor Richard Werner here before, a very clear-eyed economist who deals in factual statements. There's an excellent documentary film, very well made, and based on his book about the rise and fall of the Japanese economy, and the hand of the Bank of Japan as the cause of every aspect of this story. I watched it last night, and I think you will find it fascinating and very informative:

Princes of the Yen: Central Banks and the Transformation of the Economy

Werner was a resident researcher at the Bank for a couple of years during part of the story, as well as working for an Asian investment firm, and the film is cut with clips of him in mainstream interviews through the years.

I came away with a very clear picture of how a central bank can boost and collapse an economy, and do this in order to change the political structure of the nation - which is precisely what the Bank of Japan did, in order to usher in a neo-liberal political and economic structure, deliberately opening up Japan's banks and industries to the depredations of US corporations.

The film, and Werner so far as I know, never delve into why the Bank did this, or what non-Japanese influences might have been in the background. I'm still tracing the collusion between central banks and the rise of neoliberalism, but that's another story. Towards the end, the film touches on the European Central Bank, and its total lack of accountability, and how it seems to be replaying the Japan story today with Europe.

Someone linked to this film recently by the way, and credit to whomever it was, on this site or another. It's excellent.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 2 2019 1:54 utc | 46

@robjira #26: An excellent article. Thank you.

Posted by: S | Sep 2 2019 2:07 utc | 47

James @ 46:

In countries that have a Westminster-style political system (such as yours, Canada, and mine, Australia), voters theoretically can ask or pressure (through petitions, repeated requests, going on TV current affairs programs, chaining themselves to the front gates of Parliament House or nailing their nuts to the pavement outside the same building among other things) their elected representatives to introduce bills into parliament.

Voters don't have even this theoretical luxury with regard to their representatives in the EU Parliament. Instead bills are introduced into the EU parliament by the EU Commission. This is the equivalent of the Prime Minister and Cabinet pushing bills through the House of Representatives and the Senate and expecting both Houses to approve and rubber-stamp them into law.

Because the EU Commission has the authority to introduce legislation, lobby groups representing special interest groups such as national, European and international organisations, business groups, NGOs and think tanks work on and pressure the EU Commission to introduce legislation favourable to their interests or those of their clients. This would be equivalent to business groups, professional associations, trade unions, religious groups, NGOs, think tanks or even foreign governments having the ear of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and persuading them to bring legislation before the House of Reps and the Senate for rubber-stamping.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 2 2019 2:09 utc | 48

jackrabbit and bevin lol.

Yes, brexit was driven by the little people. A leaderless wholly organic group fed pristine economic data by fellow little people named Robert Mercer Nigel Farage and Steve Bannon proving to them how much better off they will be under a populist nationalist government led by...the leaderless "little people" themselves.

In bevin's fantasy these leaders would of course be socialists of the Labour Left.

Makes perfect sense since Corbyn himself is the very holographic image of a leaderless leader leading no one anywhere at any time.

Nevermind the "little people" behind Brexit were actually being led around by their downtrodden noses not by the Labour Left but secretly
by rightwingers, the same leaderless leaders who ran Trump's equally successful US campaign.

Course we know how Trump winning worked out for the US "little people" don't we Trump voter JR? All those pure promises made to win the election were quickly proven to be lies and the little people have gained exactly...nothing while the rich have only gotten richer. Globalisation has not been slowed even microscopically because political nationalism and economic equality aren't even remotely correlated.

Any halfbaked leftist historian can tell you that.

Get ready for Brexit to work out a lot worse even for the British liliputians than for the Trump deplorables.

The lilliputians who are soon to find themselves transformed from EU slaves into miniature US poodles paying a very dear price (higher cost of everything) for following their leaderless nostalgia from its unreasoned, disinformational beginning to its illogical yet inevitable fascist conclusion under BoJo the Grate.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 2 2019 2:21 utc | 49

@psychohistorian #27:

The West remains in the feudal era of global private finance only we don't get to know who the Lords are for sure because they have Trump, Boris and Bibi faces and all that media brainwashing and control of the narrative in front of the curtain.

I believe it is a fundamental human right to know the full list of assets of anyone worth over $10m (including assets of which one is a beneficiary). Otherwise, preventing or even detecting cryptooligarchy or cryptomonarchy is impossible.

Posted by: S | Sep 2 2019 2:40 utc | 50

@donkeytale | Sep 2 2019 2:21 utc | 52

Orwell's 1984 did not call it (UK) "Airstrip One" without reason.

They have a German monarchy with old Betty 'Windsor' well past her used-by date. A wimpy son they won't let rise who 'lost' a wife to marry his cousin (he was screwing anyway) and the next in line (and most likely next monarch if they don't ditch the system) caught with his pants down in Epstein's dungeons with some very young US fluff. CCTV covering every street and corner and one of the largest crime rackets running the 'City of London'.

It is fast becoming a 'fly-in/fly-out' of no special character and only if absolutely unavoidable. I think it's called karma.

Posted by: imo | Sep 2 2019 2:42 utc | 51

@47 bevin... if nothing else - the liberal gov't should be booted out for there russiaphobic freeland... trudeau is polar opposite his dad and unable to think in any independent fashion..

@49 grieved.. thanks.. i will have to save that for tomorrow later in the day, but i appreciate you sharing it as it is something i am interested in - central banks - and the con game associated with them..

@51 jen... the eu the way it is set up and the way you describe it - doesn't sound very democratic! perhaps laguerre will comment on your description given here.. thanks.

caitlin johnstone has a good article up - A Society Is Only As Free As Its Most Troublesome Political Dissident.. that would be julian assange of course... she gives some good parallels to show what a parallel universe we are living in with regard to the MSM...

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2019 2:45 utc | 52

@ Jen
When I read your 37 which included:
. . if the UK government wishes to introduce particular legislation that it knows the general public in Britain will oppose,
I wondered how any reading is ever taken of what the general public opposes or favors in Britain, or in the US, or anywhere else for that matter, as if anybody in government cared the least bit what the general public desires or opposes.

And then in your 51 you clarified it:
...voters theoretically can ask or pressure (through petitions, repeated requests, going on TV current affairs programs, chaining themselves to the front gates of Parliament House or nailing their nuts to the pavement

which (theoretically) reinforces my doubts about any government anywhere actually caring about what its citizens want, or don't want.

That takes me back to Obama's 2008 campaign. The Obama 2008 agenda included taking advantage of the internet to publicize legislative bills before were voted on in the Congress, with the public given an opportunity to comment on the proposed bills. It was a campaign gimmick, of course, it was never done, and probably Obama never even knew what was being proposed in his name. So matters stayed the same, the Congress legislating laws written by corporations, and who cares what the general public thinks, anywhere.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 2 2019 4:00 utc | 53

@james #46:

here is a 10 year chart of us to euro exchange... i wish i could pull up a chart for the exchange rate on these currencies since the eu currencies beginnings..

1. Euro / US dollar chart since January 1, 1999 (the date when the euro replaced the ECU).

2. Swiss franc, Japanese yen, German mark, French franc, British pound, Italian lira / US dollar comparative chart since August 10, 1953. (Note: 100 old French francs were replaced with 1 new French franc in January 1960.)

Posted by: S | Sep 2 2019 4:18 utc | 54

Because the EU Commission has the authority to introduce legislation, lobby groups representing special interest groups such as national, European and international organisations, business groups, NGOs and think tanks work on and pressure the EU Commission to introduce legislation favourable to their interests or those of their clients. This would be equivalent to business groups, professional associations, trade unions, religious groups, NGOs, think tanks or even foreign governments having the ear of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and persuading them to bring legislation before the House of Reps and the Senate for rubber-stamping. by: Jen | Sep 2 2019 2:09 utc | 51 <= no its because the legislation can be passed and made law without a mass multi-state vote of the governed. Its when the governed are kept at bay that outside influence ends up controlling the government.
every person in the world practically, now has access to the vote button.. Each proposed law could be submitted in prospectus form so that all in the world could have a full copy of the law and all of the debate and substantial analysis of its its impact.. Even video explanations could be made.. so that everyone can now directly participate in law making and governmental decision .
at vote time, people come to their computer, wrist watch or other digital device and cast a ballot. if the affirmatives are short of 50% +1 or even 70% +1 then the law that those outsiders spent so much time getting into place would fail and the bureaucrats and their lawmaker sidekicks would have to go back to the drawing board for a new and different law.. ..

we need the greedy, innovative, unconscionable wealthy and educated people to propose the laws, but it is up to the people in a democratic society on whether or not such laws rules or decisions of the supra s that govern get implemented or made into law.

Posted by: snake | Sep 2 2019 4:25 utc | 55

grieved.. i found the time tonight.. i had some homework to do for a gig i have tomorrow, but i got it done and was able to watch it.. thank you for drawing my attention to it!

everyone - i strongly encourage you to watch the video that grieved shared @49, which i link here again
Princes of the Yen: Central Banks and the Transformation of the Economy it is excellent and highlights the lie otherwise known as central banks operating in alliance with the imf to destroy regulation and independence of the political choices of the host country they are located in.. there is a section at the end of the movie discussing the european central bank as well, which ought to be very clear what the game in play is, for anyone who couldn't figure it out with the japanese experiment of the 80's, or the asian crisis of the late 90's... that the federal reserve didn't apply the same standards that were recommended to the asian countries and did indeed bail out long term capital management also clearly highlights the lie of the imf and the central bank structural ideology... it is not as any of it appear.. that video is extremely clear and insightful.. 1 hour and 33 minutes of my time very well spent.. it reinforces everything my years of watching and gut tell me.. we are being conned..

@ 57 s... thanks! the euro currency is a little lower then where it was when it started... it had a good ride for a while, and is now lower then were it started... thanks for the overview on the other currencies... any conclusions off it? since you have access to these charts, i think you would really enjoy that video grieved shared and which i have also linked to in this post...

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2019 6:04 utc | 56

Here is the logic behind brexit:

In the short run, it robs transnational elites of their authority and keeps the devil you know, local elites, accounted for and with a gun to their head.

In the long run,...haven't got that far.

Dummies are overthinking it. If it fails their lot in increasing the chances of legislators and regulators enacting laws that benefit their nationals, this means that their lot will worsen and so hasten in real public movements complete with pitchforks.

I don't understand how anyone can look at the eu and not have an image of a Barack Obama figure kicking the can down the road.

One can argue that maintaining the eu will result in a similar hastening to calamity, but by virtue of the idea of brexit, at least you have a chance and hope of reps defending the interest of their countrymen.

A clandestine meeting table in Brussels is the demonic "end of history" the globalists knew could not last but stupidly went ahead with it anyway.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Sep 2 2019 6:13 utc | 57

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Sep 2 2019 6:13 utc | 60

Brexiters and America Firsters, both far right, have been predicting the death of the EU for forty years. It offends them that it's so successful. Sounds like you're joining them.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 2 2019 7:17 utc | 58

apropo of nowt in particular (AONIP) some may be interested to know about a case currently running in Australian courts about the way Oz security services kowtowed to global energy interests when it offered to build an administration block for the Timor Leste government following Indonesia's scorched earth departure from Timor in 2002.

Dili the capital had no public service infrastructure still standing after the Javanese imperialists left, so the Australian government offered to build a new executive center as part of its Pacific foreign aid strategy. Unbeknownst to the Timorese a complex system of audio intelligence gathering was incorporated into the construction.

The bugs were used to spy on Timor's negotiating team when Oz & Timor were arguing over the split of the Timor Gap oilfield, a huge prospect. How the final divvy-up goes is SFA economic interest to Oz the nation, but a vital interest of those energy corporations Australia is giving their share of the prospect to.
Translated: "Big mobs of 'sweeteners' to be had over here boys n girls".

Apparently some old stick in the mud ASIS operative decided that swindling a neighbour, at that time whose children were starving cause the world's newest nation state was totally poverty stricken, was not a decent use of Oz intelligence resources.
He blew the whistle - the ultimate result of which was a re-negotiation of the Timor Gap treaty.

Now 12 years later the ASIS agent and the security cleared lawyer the agent employed to help defend him, are up on espionage charges. A very silly servant of the elites Oz politician is going for putting out a fire with gasoline.

There is a 4 corners documentary with the details of this shameless betrayal of a loyal neighbour (East Timorese villagers bravely protected Aussie diggers from japanese arrest and execution during WW2) and how it led to Australia's justified humiliation in the International Courts of Justice.
The doco titled "Secrets, Spies and Trials" can be found here

Posted by: A User | Sep 2 2019 7:30 utc | 59

Laguerre @61

Brexiters and America Firsters, both far right, have been predicting the death of the EU for forty years

That's an interesting opinion, given that the EU was created in 1993.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 2 2019 7:33 utc | 60

@pretzelattack #42
Your tradition of zero credibility, ad hominem attacks continues.
Failure to address the data provided by "establishment" science shows just how weak a hand is being pressed in climate panicmongering.
What would be highly ironic would be if RCP8.5 follows the now generation old Hansen scenario A where emissions were at the worst case (i.e. business as usual), but temperatures didn't follow.
In any case, the great thing about reality is that failure to predict will continue to destroy the credibility of those who cry wolf.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 2 2019 8:54 utc | 61

Norwegian | Sep 2 2019 7:33 utc

The EU we know well wrt to open borders and such did come about in '93 but the Union is much older than that, see EU history

Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 2 2019 9:21 utc | 62

One of the key issues with the EU, one that the major and the uber-liberal members (France, Germany, UK until a couple of years ago) can't see, because they're always in the inside and barely hear about the EU dealing with smaller countries but only when it comes to negotiations with China or US, is that when the EU deals with weaker countries (including at times uncooperative smaller members, like Greece a few years ago), it just as bad as the US in strong-arming, racketeering and ordering around. The EU is very lucky that the USA does exist, because they take the bulk of the outrage against such behaviour, and EU members themselves are at times subject to such a shameful treatment and can routinely lament the hegemonic and autocratic US trends - if the USA didn't exist, the EU would basically be the worst political power around. Let's just say that it's basically Vader at the end of The Empire strikes back: "We've altered the deal, this is what you're going to do now and what you owe us, and pray we don't alter it further in our favour".

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 2 2019 9:40 utc | 63

@ c1ue | Sep 2 2019 8:54 utc | 64

Do you actually understand what either scenario and respective papers are saying?

Iro CO2 levels - acidification (Henry's Law)?
Iro acidification - food chain?
Iro temperature rise - melting glaciers and ice caps?
Iro melting ice - rising water levels + negative thermal expansion toward 4°C?
Iro negative thermal expansion - potential medium to long term effects on rising water levels?

Posted by: Hmpf | Sep 2 2019 10:13 utc | 64

Posted by: Hmpf | Sep 2 2019 10:13 utc | 67

Problem is people "believe" in what they see and not in science. Ecologically, it is getting to a point that is non reversible. Expected lifestyle per person wise, this point has been crossed during the last 100 years or so.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 2 2019 10:23 utc | 65

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 2 2019 9:40 utc | 66

None of the net-receipt countries of the EU want to leave. It is the net contributors that find it difficult to justify membership to their populations if they operate on a huge trade deficit - like Britain.

Britain survives by - mostly financial - services. EU regulation threatens this. Lots of British people have industrial jobs, too. I don't see this ending well. Greece definitively profits from the EU, though not necessarily from the EURO.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 2 2019 10:47 utc | 66

pommer report <=thoughtful images

Posted by: snake | Sep 2 2019 11:49 utc | 67

@38 "I suspect they would say give us back our seat on the UN and take away the PRC seat and we will be happy to pay those bonds."

Err, no, because it is not within Trump's power to unilaterally decide who sits in that chair.

Remember that it is Trump who is mulling the prospect of seeking restitution for those bonds, it is not the UN Security Council nor the UN General Assembly.

The UN would - quite rightly - laugh at the notion that it has any part to play in a petty commercial dispute.

At best the USA government could rewind Nixon's trip to China and re-recognize the RoC as the legitimate representative of China. But, again, all that would invoke is raucous laughter from everyone else, especially in the Security Council.

I doubt that whoever Trump currently has as UN Ambassador (I can't be bothered to look, does anyone know if there is a US Ambassador yet?) would be happy to be given the job of polishing that particularly smelly turd.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 2 2019 11:52 utc | 68

That's an interesting opinion, given that the EU was created in 1993.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 2 2019 7:33 utc | 63

Yet another disingenuous comment from a Europhobe. A worn-out cliche you find twenty times a day (probably a substantial underestimate) in the British comment columns. "An ever closer union" was predicated in the Rome treaty of 1957. Everyone knew what was coming. Certainly the British did.

And in case you were going to come back with it, no, a federal European state is not likely. Nationalist forces don't permit it.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 2 2019 12:34 utc | 69

@ snake | Sep 2 2019 11:49 utc | 72

Gordon Duff seems to have found his soulmate!

The guy is spouting utter nonsense. Didn't happen that way, impossible. The arguments of his live by omission.

Flaws, only 2 of them:
1. A focused Gamma burst (from a nuke? what?) traveling up the inner core, no interactions with air and other materials, until when it reaches the upper levels of the building then, only then, matter all at once becomes opaque? What?
2. 'Molten core'. Lots of Aluminum in the building, shredded by crashing down --> fires(heat) + lots of water/water vapour --> Al + H2O --> Al(OH)x --> Al2O3, exothermic aka lots of additional heat.

Nope, I don't know either what actually happened but this 'nuclear blabla' crap is mind-boggingly idiotic.

Posted by: Hmpf | Sep 2 2019 12:39 utc | 70

Posted by: UN observer | Sep 1 2019 21:57 utc | 32

[Google translation of Macron]: "We are experiencing a crisis of the market economy. Some accumulate wealth, others are victims of undue inequalities. This crisis must lead us to recreate balances in our economies and regain our share of control."

aka: Macronyism...

Posted by: Anacharsis | Sep 2 2019 12:48 utc | 71

All you need to know:

The C.I.A. director, Gina Haspel, has raised logistical concerns about the plan with other administration officials, emphasizing that the agency operatives — who marshal the militias to hunt Taliban, Qaeda and Islamic State militants — largely depend on the military for airstrikes, overhead surveillance, medical support and bomb technicians.

Seeing the the organizations sited are creations of the CIA, we have confirmed how they operate. To puke.

Posted by: Bill | Sep 2 2019 13:28 utc | 72

@ Bill 77
CIA. . .largely depend on the military for airstrikes,. .
Yes, CIA also depends upon special forces, dating from (at least) Operation Phoenix times in Vietnam, assassinations on steroids. Also Trump has previously compared his Afghanistan strategy to the aerial destruction of Mosul (and many of its citizens) in Iraq.
This is why Taiban keeps fighting, currently attacking provincial capitals, because the "pullout" has become a farce.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 2 2019 13:45 utc | 73

Nasrallah has turned the hit on the Israeli border into a major psychological warefare exercise and my guess is - he is winning.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 2 2019 14:15 utc | 74

"Yes, brexit was driven by the little people. A leaderless wholly organic group fed
pristine economic data by fellow little people named Robert Mercer Nigel Farage
and Steve Bannon proving to them how much better off they will be under
a populist nationalist government led by...the leaderless "little people" themselves."
The industrial working class and the North in general have been opposed to the Common Market
for much longer than the internet has existed. Experience has demonstrated to them,
or what is left of them, that their fears were justified. Difficult as it has been to
assert their interests in the UK, in the EU it has become almost impossible. They have no political power.
Incidentally Brexit is merely the latest in a long series of popular rejections at the ballot box.
The net result of which has been the shying away from referenda. France and
the Netherlands clearly, rejected the EU Constitution. They have not been asked since.
The Constitution, on the other hand, essentially intact, is in operation.

The reality is very simple: the EU is and always has been an undemocratic
institution run by the worst sort of bureaucrats-those chosen by political patronage.
There is no intention of the EU's institutions ever being made susceptible to
popular pressure. The "Parliament" is a powerless talking shop which has no real
power to impose its resolutions on the unelected Commissioners.
The real power in the EU lies with corporate lobbies and the US which
not only owns several member governments but through NATO and its basis,
massive military bases across and around Europe.

This article in the Boston Review, and the book discussed, is a
good intro to the ideological origins of the EU.

Throughout the EU it is obvious in whose interests it is being run:
in Germany, for example, the social safety net, established after the war,
has been greatly shrunken. The promises made to the east at re-unification have not been kept.
In order to justify the removal of unemployment benefits and the establishment of
a mini-job precarious economy it is always necessary to whistle up the worst elements
in politics, those closest to fascism. They are told that "reforms" are aimed at the
"lazy", the 'immoral'(unwed mothers) or "Economic immigrants" posing as refugees
(from countries pretending to have been invaded and reduced to rubble no doubt).
These are the Praetorian Guard of Capitalism. Thatcher invoked their support and
built them up into a powerful force. Macron is milking them for support as he
attempts to take France back to the glories of the '30s- he rewards them by using the
police, and army, brutally repressing opposition.
It is all very well to conjure up nightmares (see above) in which the pathetic Bannon,
who couldn't even influence Trump to keep him on the payroll, manipulates the world.
(And all is controlled by the same sort of internet alchemy that Russia was alleged
to have employed to elect Trump.) But the truth is much simpler. People voted
against the EU because their living standards have been declining rapidly for
decades. The Healthcare system is being dismantled-Laguerre's hero Macron is
doing the same in France too. Social mobility, the chance for poor kids to get
educated and join the elites, is declining quickly: education is privatised,
the market rules. The weak suffer. Permanent full time work, with increasing
economic security has ended, for all but the privileged few (who do as they are bid).
Insecurity rules. And all these things are beginning to be seen demographically:
life expectancy for the many declines while that for the few rises.
Happily for the 'political class' and the intelligentsia-the journalists, the lobby
fodder back benchers and politicians at every level (whose pay and benefits are at
an all time high, everywhere), the pundits and academics- now divided into tenured
elites and a mass of freelances auditioning for decent pay and conditions, just like
everywhere else in society- the EU and the Empire are fine. They pretend not to see
what is wrong, the rot that has set in, the explosions that are bound to come. They
have never had it so good. And they will defend the EU to the death-or until they get
offered more to attack it.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 2 2019 14:19 utc | 75

@ nobody | Sep 2 2019 13:30 utc | 75

You ignorant jackass. Pull your head out of your ass before you post anything again. Stupid cu*t.

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Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 2 2019 15:35 utc | 76

A classic piece of ancient Bennism, bevin re 80, full of half-truths, and some outright falsehoods. You're right the northern working class don't need to eat, so we can re-erect the barriers on the frontiers, and trucks can wait for 30 hours to get their customs declarations right. They only go abroad for a holiday in the sun, so they won't mind waiting an hour or two in the passport queue, like you do when you go to the States. They don't need jobs either, because in order to attract inward investment, that would involve a relationship with the outside world. The decline in working class living has absolutely nothing to do with the EU, it's rather the Tories in London, the ones who are leading Brexit, which is a massive deceit played on people in the UK. And yes, I do know, I come from such a working class family (2nd gen). You'll find that the younger generation of working class people are today forced to move abroad to find work, and, yes, they go to the EU. Much as I was forced to get on my bike under Thatcher, and go and look for work in Europe. Your anti-EU obsession is facilitating the Brexit carve-up, so there will nothing left for ordinary people in the UK.

Oh yeah, and by the way Macron has not dismantled the health-care system in France. I can and do get as good treatment as I got 20 years ago. The people who are complaining are the one in the rural villages, because it's difficult to attract doctors for one in each village. You'd do better to complain about the decline of the catholic church, where's there's only one priest for five, or six, or ten parishes, and you would only be able to go to mass every month or two. Now that's real decline.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 2 2019 15:45 utc | 77

@ Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 2 2019 7:17 utc | 58

To be fair, the original expectation for the EU (a social-democrat superpower bigger and stronger than the USA) is indeed already dead: after decades of convergence, members are now economically diverging. That means the poorer members are becoming poorer and the richer members (i.e. Germany) are getting richer and, in the middle, France is struggling to barely stay at essentially zero growth.

Ironically this divergence begun exactly at the moment the EU should, theoretically, be making the second big leap forward to being a true superpower even bigger than the USA: the creation of the Euro, 2000.

The European Dream is dead.

Posted by: vk | Sep 2 2019 15:54 utc | 78

bevin I get it. In a better world there would be no need for the EU and globalisation would be a harmonious system driven by socialist humanist principles. Globalisation isnt going away. This is not to say I support or don't support. This blog is a product of globalisation. We live in different countries and yet can easily
Communicate with each other. Capital transactions also occur instantaneously. Like all human endeavors it is a mixed bag with the potential for good and evil. But it is what it is and the masters everywhere will not let it go. China obviously included has benefitted tremendously as have the nations of Europe including Russia. The elites have tilted the field in their favour and this is the crux...rebalancing the economic distribution...

Surely you also get that this version is driven by and for the benefit of the ruling classes at the expense of the poor? The so-called cure is worse than the disease. Brexit is a dead end. It is completely controlled by a fascist element of the elites who sold the little people a bill of goods.

Far better in my view to work on changing the political dynamic imho towards income equality short term leading to socialism long term. A long difficult class struggle not an identity nationalist movement is required.

Brexit ain"t that movement.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 2 2019 15:54 utc | 79

donkeytale @84: bevin I get it.

But you don't 'get it'.

When the establishment wins an election, we are told: elections have consequences!

When the establishment loses, we are told: the people made a mistake - there must be a re-vote!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2019 16:13 utc | 80

nobody @76

What an excellent article. Sarcastic, satirical, and very real. The only one that can rival them in good press in the US is the Queen of England. Something the average thoroughly programmed US citizen will never understand.

Posted by: dltravers | Sep 2 2019 16:27 utc | 81

Jackrabbit: when has the establishment ever lost???

Posted by: Anacharsis | Sep 2 2019 16:33 utc | 82

What we have today is a class divide that is so stark that it's become a replay of unions vs. management (think GM vs. UAW).

In such a case, union solidarity becomes paramount. And that's what Brexit ultimately is: rejecting the outsiders (aka "scabs").

The "elites" call this racist because those outsiders drive down wages and help them to divide and conquer.

There's a right way and a wrong way to have a political union. Many people in Europe believe that the EU is doing it the wrong way (not just British) but all objections have been squashed (until Brexit).

As I've previously noted, the problem for the EU is that if Brexit succeeds Italy may be next. The EU/Euro are projects where a Democratic choice is simply not allowed. And that grates on people that have been fooled into believing that they live in Democracy and their vote is paramount.

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2019 16:44 utc | 83

The referendum voters did’nt make a mistake they were brain-washed into voting for Brixit !
Put rubbish in and you get rubbish out ie Brixit.
The public were brainwashed by The media - - murdoch via the Sun newspaper, and his buseness associate jacob Rothschild via bbc. Useing Farage as a figurehead puppet, Farage being a nazi (google his school report)
Brixit sucssesfully devided the working class by the referendum.
Camaron promised a referendum ther by winning the election away from the Labour Party fooling the public.
The Tory’s whipped up fear of refugees just as trump does ! To gain votes.
It’s all bullshit lies to keep the working class down. And created kaos hence where we are now !
Meanwhile Boris and the Tory’s have there investments offshore and invested in the armstrade.
Jeremy Corbyn runs the largest political party in Europe ! That’s the man to save us.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 2 2019 17:05 utc | 84

once again.. when the people of Britain rely on the UK to solve their problem and to lead them to the way of justice for all the people of Britain, the people of Britain can count on being mislead.

if the people of Britain were to develop a new constitution and offer it to the masses for ratification. what would be the election result?

Governments have been preempted .. there is no correlation between those who operate the government and the rights of mankind.
Governments have become the gate keeper and slave driver for the powerful, rich and greedy and the
masses have been stuffed into a high tech people container where they are gated like mice in a cage,
feed propaganda 24/7 and programmed in true Pavlovian style..

Posted by: snake | Sep 2 2019 17:53 utc | 85

it looks like the turks are sending reinforcements to their observation outposts in Syria's idlib province

according to southfront
there are sightings of:

1. a new turkish military convoy spotted near Maarrat al-Numan
2. turkish military presence is reportedly growing near Saraqib
3 turkish military convoy entered Syria from the Kafrlusin area on September 1

this should be a concern to Syria and russia, I would think; though I suspect somehow this is part of some deal with Putin that erdogan struck in Moscow last week. I believe there are 10-12 so-called outposts in Idlib.

I wonder what's going on. and how long this newest ceasefire will last.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 2 2019 18:27 utc | 86

I have a name for your union JR: the Cranky Caucasian Conservatives Club or the CCCC as I like to call them.

The younger people, a majourity of whom tend to favour socialism, also favour remain. The majourity of the Labour Party favour remain. But bevin and you by all means pull up a rocking chair and organise organise organise. But hurry. Your revolutionary union is fast dwindling due to the effect of time.

Ignore the concerns of those with a future and align with those whose boats beating ceaselessly into the past, hitching your wagons to fascist clowns Trumpy and his trusty side kick BoJo and pretend this movement leads anywhere passed the graveyard.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 2 2019 19:06 utc | 87

80" Bevin

I'm very happy with your comment on the EU.It is exactly how I see it,and much better put than I could.Privatizing public services that taxpayers have been paying for,delocalization to low wage countries of our heavy industries,all this was due to european directives on opening interior market to private companies.In Brussels over 20000 lobbyista are housed,that write literally the laws in some cases.Now they say that there are over 500 Chinese and Russian spies.You get the picture of nobility that feels threatened in their chateau-fort.

What really puts an end to any discussion is this reaction of media,and government officials,party politicians alike,but mostly the media,and Mr.Laguerre is a bel example of this,that from the moment you talk about refugees from Asia,Africa and you put up the question why the hell we let so many people in that we know nothing of,while we don't have enough jobs for our own ,then you are immediately ostracised extreme-right or fascist,as the newspapers talk about Salvini,or the AfD party in Germany.This is appalling,LeMonde ,the Guardian,NYT all promote this uber-humanism,but they do not care a bit if all those poor migrants end up under bridges in cardboard boxes,or gutting down innocent natives.

Also it was common practice that has-been or compromised national politicians were named member of the European commission.Like Peter Mandelson,Commissioner for Trade under the former trotskist Manuel Barroso.He had a long career in UK government,became Baron Mandelson from 2008 (Labour,haha).He is in the House of Lords.He is in favor of the loss of national identities,and of the family as nucleus of the human society.
Now he turns out to be a close friend of late-Jeffrey and nowhere-to-find Ghislaine:

About Brexit,not being british I don't care if they go out or remain in.I'm not interested in economics,and think of it like theology.It's a bit a house of cards built on belief.Economists will tell you today why their yesterday's previsions failed to come true.
The devil shits always on the big heap my mother said,and I hope that someday money will not have any sense anymore as token of exchange,because it's all gathered into Uncle Dagoberts bank cellar and the rest of us won't have any anymore....So I hope that more intelligent people stop theorizing about economic systems ,marxism,socialism capitalism,it does not really mean much in the light of the beauty of nature,and maybe these people could reflect and theorize about a world without this stupid invention that bears inequality in itself.

Posted by: willie | Sep 2 2019 19:47 utc | 88

donkeytale @92: Ignore the concerns of those with a future ...

What kind of future will it be with a fake democracy?

What you are really advocating is thuggery:

Ignore the power plays of the elite ... if you know what's good for you.

If nothing else Epstein's blackmailing has shown us that we can't trust our elites. They act from selfish interest or on command of thugs that have compromised them.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2019 20:18 utc | 89

Posted by: bevin | Sep 2 2019 14:19 utc | 80

Britain has been a mess since Margaret Thatcher (and before) but that has got nothing to do with the EU. When you read up on Britain's EU membership it is a history of parties threatening to withdraw one way or the other.

The EU did not force Britain into austerity and social security cuts, their ruling class did that themselve. Scandinavia does very well keeping up social standards within the EU.

As is, the EU happens to be Britain's largest trade partner by far, to crash out is just not feasable.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 2 2019 20:56 utc | 90

I'll keep it very short and very simple.
The EU is a neo-liberal enterprise. That is what is was designed to be.
The point is to protect property from democracy. Neo-liberalism's founders-von Mises
and Hayek never disguised their aim: to set up a supranational body to enforce rules
on national governments which would prevent those governments from instituting socialist policies.
Hayek not only worked for Thatcher. A fan of Mussolini's he wrote constitutions for both
the Portuguese dictator Salazar and Pinochet.
Anyone who has access to the London Review of Books should look up the August 15th issue and
read Alexander Zevin's review of Quinn Slobodian's book "Globalists: The End of Empire and the
Birth of Neo-liberalism."
Some years ago it struck me that the EU was a refoundation of the Hapsburg Empire.
I had no idea how close to the truth I was.
Leaving the EU, destroying the EU and other institutions like it is a necessary preliminary to
the introduction of socialist policies. Which, in turn, is the necessary means of tackling the
massive economic, social and environmental problems caused by capitalism.
It is not too much to say that Brexit is the first small step towards solving humanity's
problems: all of which are the product of capitalist class rule.
Do not be surprised if you do not see these opinions in the MSM, the voice of capitalist class rule.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 2 2019 21:13 utc | 91

To be a supporter of a hard brexit is to be the equvelent of a ‘friendly rebel’ in the Middle East ! Exploited by the 1% imoral profiteers, expendable/ disposable and above all gullible ! Unknowingly fighting on the wrong side, to distroy your own country. Syria, Venezalia, Honkong. Why are we so blind to see it in our own country when we see it so clearly in other people’s country’s ?
Am I for or against brexit ?
Brexit is a false choise ! Lose lose.
The real chose is - pro imoral curuption or anti curuption you choose.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 2 2019 21:28 utc | 92

Third Worlders, grab your popcorn: the Western machine has entered into error mode, and is now doing color
revolutions on themselves.
vk @ 8

Ha ha ha, vk, that is a wonderful line.

I’d make an exception for the Gilets Jaunes, which is grassroots. Which is why the MSM doesn’t cover it or in F
only to denigrate and minimize but not too strongly, oh the plebs deserve a say and demos must be allowed,
the MSM have that spiel down pat, some serious frowning, nervous foot tapping, being very worried about national unity,
discussions etc. that obfuscate and trail off into nebulous, meaningless, crap philosophy, side issues
personal stories, BS, etc.

Germany's reunification was a monumental failure.

I believe this as well, and funnily enough just this evening I was at dinner with two Brits (two separate ppl,
both men with ‘intl’ positions), and mentioned this point, and they jumped on me, East G, was communist,
the communists did everything wrong, the place was a wreck. Implying it could not, ever, climb out of
its ‘hopeless condition’ while actually joining .. a supposedly ‘fair, efficient, performing’ economy
and a unity of ppl in some sense, post war repair, etc.

Very strange. Surely a decent ppl who escaped the clutches of Communism and the Stasi ‘horrors’…
should have blossomed !! Apparently not.

As the hors d’oeuvres were being served, in the interest of harmony, the topic was dropped.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 2 2019 21:32 utc | 93

somebody @95: ... to crash out is just not feasable.

But the horrors of crashing out are used for scare-mongering so that REMAIN prevails.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2019 21:32 utc | 94

"A Turkish Islamist militant who appeared in a video brandishing a decapitated head turned out to be an official of the youth branch of Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) before joining the jihadist cause in Syria.

Emrah Çelik (born April 5, 1987), a member of the AKP youth branch in the Kapaklı district of northwestern Tekirdağ province, was seen posing in both a video and still shots while holding a severed head in his hand. The recording shows him saying that the victory belongs to Islamist jihadists and that whoever takes on Islam’s soldiers would share the same fate as the severed head, which he said belonged to a soldier in the Syrian regime forces. In the end he says victory belongs to Islam while raising a single index finger, similar to a gesture used by militants of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)."

Posted by: reader | Sep 2 2019 21:53 utc | 95

The EU is a neo-liberal enterprise. That is what is was designed to be. - bevin @ 96

What the EU did to one of its strongly adhering and enthusiastic members, Greece,
should never be forgotten or forgiven. Some repairs might be made,
how what etc. is a tough call.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 2 2019 21:54 utc | 96

"The Turkish Embassy in Sofia posted several social media messages in August accusing the US and its consulate staff of conducting clandestine operations to overthrow President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of Turkey.

Via its official postings on Twitter, the embassy claimed that Metin Topuz, a local staff member at the US Consulate General in İstanbul, had been in frequent contact with police officers who led a 2013 corruption investigation in Turkey and that the investigation was a “coup attempt” planned and staged by the US and the Gülen movement, a civic group that has been active in education, interfaith and intercultural dialogue and charity work in many countries."

Posted by: reader | Sep 2 2019 21:55 utc | 97

bevin you have made this point before and in case of brexit I surely hope you are correct but I'd be a bit more believing if you put some hair around this idea rather than a simple declarative statement. If you mean life will grow so unbearable for so many as a result of brexit they will rise up in an organised movement to end the tyranny of the globalised elites still running the show only now under protection of the neoliberal US, you will need to substantiate.

But since you neatly and pre-emptively ended that possibility I will accept yours as an educated opinion, one of which everyone has along with a certain body part.

Still, unconvincing. But for some I guess it's preferable to hold onto fanciful beliefs to the bitter end than simply to admit you've also been victimised by Mercer/Bannon/Trump/Farage.

Through the spiritual medium of BoJo the Clown.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 2 2019 22:27 utc | 98

@b: Please add the following line to your CSS file:

div.comments-body, div.comment-content { word-break: break-word; }

This will fix all word-wrapping problems. The “div.comments-body” selector selects all comment HTML elements. The “div.comment-content” selector selects the comment preview HTML element. The “word-break: break-word;” setting specifies the following behavior: if the word is too long to fit on the line, it will be moved to the next line; if it still doesn’t fit, it will be broken.

The reason the first page of the comments under this post looks okay to you is that you’re probably using Firefox. Firefox auto-breaks long words at forward slashes “/”, while Safari does not (it only auto-breaks at hyphens “-”). So everyone who uses an iPhone, an iPad, or a Mac sees a horribly stretched page. Also, you should know that if someone posts a link like…)_something, it will stretch the page even in Firefox (because there’s only one forward slash after the domain name).

The solution I’m proposing fixes these problems. I’ve verified it under both Safari and Firefox.

Note that the Mozilla documentation lists the “word-break: break-word;” combination as deprecated, but it works fine (and will still work for many years); Mozilla’s recommended substitute “overflow-wrap: break-word;”, on the other hand, doesn’t work in Safari.

Also note that this line:

#comments-body p a { display: inline-flex; word-break: break-all;

in your CSS file does absolutely nothing, because “#comments-body” selector selects nothing (there is no HTML element with id="comments-body"). You can safely remove it.

Posted by: S | Sep 2 2019 23:11 utc | 99

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 2 2019 21:54 utc | 101

Oh well.

When Greece joined the Euro international banks lent money to the Greek public and private sector on the strength of the Euro - being sure there won't be devaluation and there would not be state bankruptcy as the EU would be obliged to bail out.

Greece was not the only basket case on credit, but when governments decided to bail out banks in 2008 part of the bailout was huge Greek debt.

I don't know about France and Austria, but in Germany this was sold politically as "helping Greece" when the goal was helping German banks.

You can lay the blame for this on the doorstep of Greek politicians loaning money they knew would indebt Greece for generations, or banks loaning money they knew Greece would never be able to pay back for generations or German industry lobbying for Greek projects that had no real value for Greek development and were obtained by paying kickbacks or the Greek stinking rich not paying taxes. This dates back before the Euro but had lost its risk with the Euro.

Tsipras problem in Germany was Wolfgang Schäuble who financed his balance sheet via Greece and Angela Merkel who wanted to get her Greek conservative political friends back to power. Apart from Germany's deranged export surplus policies that depend on people taking credit.

You cannot really blame the EU for this. Outside of the EU Greece would simply have gone bankrupt. The consequences would have been similar, compare to Argentina.

You can blame Greece's decision to join the Euro. But devaluing a currency does not get you very far when your economy depends on import.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 2 2019 23:25 utc | 100

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