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September 11, 2019
Open Thread 2019-53
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Venezuela: In the second installment of his VA “Crisis & Critique” column, Ociel Lopez looks at how Washington’s embargo blocked a possible agreement between the government and the opposition. Posted by: Maracatu | Sep 11 2019 17:36 utc | 1 Given that Washington continuously claims that Russians are responsible for the election of Donald Trump, here is an interesting look at what Vladimir Putin had to say about why Donald Trump was elected: Posted by: Sally Snyder | Sep 11 2019 17:43 utc | 3 As a long time MoA reader, I would like to sincerely and profoundly thank b for not only bothering to keep up with politics and world affairs like this, but also for taking the time to summarize and write up your findings for many many people across the entire globe to read. For what its worth, let me extend my deep gratitude and admiration to you for offering your well-written and refreshingly objective and neutral articles on a surprisingly clean, quiet and ad-free website. It feels stupid to say, but that’s become a real rarity in todays internet… Posted by: A silent MoA reader | Sep 11 2019 17:43 utc | 4 Thanks all for links to the economist Michael Hudson, in this case speaking at length about ancient civilizations and their control of debt, and implications for our modern world.
Here on the Moon we have a few treasured, rational voices. Posted by: jonku | Sep 11 2019 18:08 utc | 7 A silent MoA reader | Sep 11 2019 17:43 utc | 4 Posted by: Cemi | Sep 11 2019 18:26 utc | 9 An additional thanks for b’s efforts and excellent bullshit detector! Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 11 2019 18:30 utc | 10 Completely off topic and “something entirely different” for anyone who could do with a small break. I found the following linked short video informative, interesting, and inspiring despite the challenge and misery the topic represents; Japan managed to eradicate this disease and China has made tremendous gains. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 11 2019 18:30 utc | 11 Unz is now syndicating Whitney Webb: https://www.unz.com/author/whitney-webb/ Posted by: anon | Sep 11 2019 18:44 utc | 12 There seems to be a pretty strong effort to memory hole poor Assange by his “brother” journalists. But it occurred to me the other day–the USG is trying to multiply the charges against him and imply all sorts of bad intent and action on the part of Assange by now alleging that he actively worked with his source, cultivated his source, gave his source advice on being careful, etc., etc. Posted by: J Swift | Sep 11 2019 18:46 utc | 13 Agreed with everyone else. B is absolutely outstanding. Posted by: AP Veteran | Sep 11 2019 18:47 utc | 14 Sally Snyder @ 3 Posted by: Montreal | Sep 11 2019 19:08 utc | 15 MEPs damn ‘protecting European way of life’ job title
Such is the strength is capitalism’s international nature. Nationalism who? What’s 14″ long and dangles between Donald Trump’s legs? Posted by: ziogolem | Sep 11 2019 19:38 utc | 17 Forgot three more links to my “clipping” (one of which is actually from yesterday): Just had a business trip to a Canadian natural resources town, coming from the Left Coast city and all their crazy Panic_Fear_Hate of heads buried in i-Me. Landed in a small plane, small terminal, hi, how was your flight, your car is ready, hi, how was your trip, your room is ready, would you like to have dinner? Then relax in the lodge lobby reading hopeful news stories of ‘Local Boy/Girl Makes Good’. Posted by: Jack Martin | Sep 11 2019 19:51 utc | 19 It seems Angela Merkel came back inspired from her visit to China: Cannot but laugh at Netanyahu’s plan to annex more arab land, because while he planned that he fooled the same arab states for peace talks past couple of years. Poor palestinians being sold out repeatedly. Only Iran is their friend and they arent not even arab! Posted by: Zanon | Sep 11 2019 20:21 utc | 21 General Flynn said to have been exonerated in 2017 re Russia Posted by: snake | Sep 11 2019 20:39 utc | 22 A good opportunity to say thank you to b for tireless, objective and insightful research and analysis. My hat is off to you, sir. Posted by: Bruce | Sep 11 2019 20:52 utc | 23 As we offer up well deserved salutations to The Poet for his excellent work, I would like to add my praise, admiration, best wishes and best hopes to all the Truth Tellers out there. Just to name a few: Chelsea Manning; Edward Snowden; some from the old school: David Halberstam; Robert Parry; Seymour Hirsh; Gary Webb; Whitney Webb; and especially to the mighty Julian Assange. They can’t break his spirit so they are murdering him drop by drop. And thanks as well to the MoA commentators. I have learned a lot from you all. Forgive me if I go a bit mushy and say “Peace and Blessings” Posted by: Miss Lacy | Sep 11 2019 20:59 utc | 24 I think that Caitlan has some of the final words, the middle finger adios to the sociopathic war monger John Bolton. Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 11 2019 21:07 utc | 25 Looking through Trumps tweets,they consist mostly of navel gazing and giving the military and police a pat on the back. What passes as foreign affairs in the US, although Trump may outline the end goal, is mostly delegated to others to achieve. Venezuela and Iran are still standing, Bolton not achieving any results. Trump will appoint someone who he thinks can achieve those goals. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 11 2019 21:23 utc | 26 Chevrus | Sep 11 2019 18:30 utc | 10 Posted by: chu teh | Sep 11 2019 21:59 utc | 27 [continued] Posted by: chu teh | Sep 11 2019 22:02 utc | 28 Another lurker making a first time post here today. Posted by: SRVitDWN | Sep 11 2019 22:19 utc | 29 chu teh Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 11 2019 22:22 utc | 30 @ 35 – I don’t know if you’ve seen this video. It shows building 7 pretty clearly. I just saw it for the first time today. Posted by: roza shanina | Sep 11 2019 22:40 utc | 31 The operation to keep the eyes of those with genuine grievances focused on the piles of smoking debris appeals to peoples emotions rather than rational thought. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 11 2019 22:45 utc | 32 I forgot to add this video which you all are probably aware of where the BBC reporter says building 7 has collapsed when it is still standing. Humm. Posted by: roza shanina | Sep 11 2019 22:46 utc | 33 Pepe Escobar in his latest piece notes that: Posted by: Grieved | Sep 11 2019 22:50 utc | 34 Peter AU 1 #31 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 11 2019 23:15 utc | 35 Grieved Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 11 2019 23:21 utc | 36 Re Iranian negotiating position. It seems pretty clear that they will not accept anything less than total reset. Join JCPOA and lift all sanctions and make retribution for the loss over the past while. Perhaps off page they will insist that the yapping dog in occupied Palestine be muzzled. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 11 2019 23:25 utc | 37 This might be of interest https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-09-11-how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/ Boeing’s chief technical pilot on the 737 MAX project during development of the jet pleads the fifth: RE the New York 9-11. It amazes me that after all these years, people still talk all the way around the issue. Steel melts Posted by: Miss Lacy | Sep 11 2019 23:58 utc | 40 Interesting glimpse of the guts of American society: Grieved @39– Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 0:53 utc | 42 On this 9/11 anniversary (it is the 12 down under) and who had a role in this disastrous event for humanity, i like to give you a free book copy HMTL by/for Ron Unz website a book about who killed John F Kennedy. Posted by: col from Oz | Sep 12 2019 1:21 utc | 43 The book final judgement is available in PDF too. Posted by: col from Oz | Sep 12 2019 1:56 utc | 44 It’s worth taking a look at Corbett’s 911 whistle blowers series that he just published. Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 12 2019 2:23 utc | 45 Thanks to all the MoA lurkers who wrote about their appreciation of b and his web site which I try and thank him for regularly. I do hope you contribute financially to his efforts as well….I send him an annual contribution that I can afford. Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 12 2019 2:30 utc | 46 I 23,000 people work at the pentagon. Plus visitors adds up to a lot of potential loose lips. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 12 2019 2:58 utc | 48 So far Americans had two major karmas in this Century, 9/11 and Trumpchaos and STILL they just don’t get it. Amerikkka, youz iz fuckedup and worse; the shet you pull ruins everyone else. Rev. Wright put it right. Posted by: Circe | Sep 12 2019 3:15 utc | 49 @31 Peter AU 1 Posted by: Circe | Sep 12 2019 3:30 utc | 50 Dear B, Posted by: Jen | Sep 12 2019 3:34 utc | 51 If a meeting does take place between Rouhani and Trump, Trump will deliver the same hot air he delivered to Kim and then send in Pompeo to produce the full effect brain fart. Posted by: Circe | Sep 12 2019 3:46 utc | 52 https://sputniknews.com/us/201909121076781195-white-house-considers-giving-boltons-job-to-mike-pompeo–report/ Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 12 2019 3:53 utc | 53 To their everlasting shame; journalists world wide, are allowing Assange to be slowly killed in Bellmarch Prison. His own government has abandoned him. Posted by: V | Sep 12 2019 4:08 utc | 54 Grieved @39
But she could’ve listed many more questionable narratives. Just off the top of my head, in no particular order and not meant to be a complete list: Russiagate and the Skripals; Obama Administration’s “willful decision” to allow ISIS to grow; promotion of White Helmets as a humanitarian group and “moderate rebels” as the core of a “civil war”; Epstein’s death/extraction; Integrity Initiative; MH-17. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 12 2019 4:14 utc | 55 Looks like Bolton’s failures in Venezuela and the oil embargo on Iran’s shipments to Syria have cost the mustache laden psycho his job. There was probably a 3rd but it slips my memory. https://www.rt.com/usa/468605-trump-lift-iran-sanctions/ Posted by: imo | Sep 12 2019 4:25 utc | 56 Has anyone read or reviewed the old Son of Sam book “Ultimate Evil”? it is a quick read and there are some insane propositions and conspiracy theories set forth in that publication Posted by: Xerxes | Sep 12 2019 4:33 utc | 57 Re, @59… Posted by: imo | Sep 12 2019 4:38 utc | 58 Ruling classes are not “service” to society, and frankly have never been enough so to justify their existence. The purpose of ruling classes has always been the preservation of the false meme of nobility. It’s 2000 years past time to erase Plato’s Republic and every other republic from society and reject the self-exalting notion of philosopher-kings as the pathetic ramblings of a former slave turned bourgeois liberal playing a toddler’s game of pretend. Posted by: Jonathan^-1 | Sep 12 2019 5:39 utc | 59 A silent MoA reader | Sep 11 2019 17:43 utc | 4 Posted by: Die Niemandsfuchs | Sep 12 2019 6:45 utc | 60 One of the most common things pointed out on this site are the “analyses” that are sold to US news networks on areas which the general public has no bloody clue and will basically buy any story that looks to be backed up by “serious” research. Posted by: ralphieboy | Sep 12 2019 9:07 utc | 61 Laughter is the best medicine I have heard. Some medicine. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 12 2019 9:09 utc | 62 Jonathan^-1 @63: Yep, no more self-appointed “elites”, they are “fake elites” just like the “fake news”. Just take a good look at them. Trump is not exceptional, he is exemplary. Plato was a dick too, I quite agree, a product of a class system, just like say Boris Johnson, or Trump. Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 12 2019 9:47 utc | 63 I was trying to read the Escobar article on 911, but for several months I’ve had a technical problem with the Asiatimes website. The page downloads (several megabites of java script crap), and displays for about 1 second, then disappears. Does anybody else have problems with Asiatimes? Posted by: BM | Sep 12 2019 10:37 utc | 64 unfortunately, our intrepid Pepe falls into the same rut as pretty much everyone else in regard to 911(successful psyop), i.e. agonizing over who dunnit without knowing WTF happened in the first place. Posted by: john | Sep 12 2019 11:07 utc | 65 In light of the Russia-gate focus among a lot of dems, it’s interesting to see this article pop up about Joe Biden meeting with Putin to try to get him on board for the Iraq war, with an offer of oil profits.
Posted by: GlassofWater | Sep 12 2019 11:12 utc | 66 @68, https:see also youtube “On the Morning of 9/11 – The Truth In 5 Minutes – James Corbett” Posted by: Walter | Sep 12 2019 11:14 utc | 67 Great piece by Pepe Escobar, thanks for the link! Posted by: Mina | Sep 12 2019 11:49 utc | 68 The Asia Times 9/11 article – Pepe Escobar is very good. Posted by: somebody | Sep 12 2019 12:14 utc | 69 @ Walter | Sep 12 2019 11:14 utc | 70 Posted by: imo | Sep 12 2019 12:14 utc | 70 @ imo | Sep 12 2019 4:25 utc | 59 Posted by: jared | Sep 12 2019 12:31 utc | 71 add to 72 – Imran Khan’s view from Pakistan – it was very unfair on Pakistan, US fighting the Jihadis they had formerly supported via Pakistan and the Jihadis turning on Pakistan because of that. Posted by: somebody | Sep 12 2019 12:32 utc | 72 Venezuela is basket case. Posted by: jared | Sep 12 2019 12:36 utc | 73 It may be that the exit of Boltjob implies a major change in strategy. Mr Jack @ 24 seems to say that the assault weapons preparations continue…and he’s seems to expect these to, ah “find employment” in the proximate future. Posted by: Walter | Sep 12 2019 13:05 utc | 74 Posted by: Walter | Sep 12 2019 13:05 utc | 77 Posted by: somebody | Sep 12 2019 13:44 utc | 75 Yes, generally you and I agree, # 78 Posted by: Walter | Sep 12 2019 14:27 utc | 76 Bolton may be gone but the Good Cop/Bad Cop negotiation ploy is still very much operational. Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 12 2019 14:55 utc | 77 For anyone who wants to understand the background of Brexit, or a good part of it at least, this essay is a *must* read. (Taking up a previous discussion.) Posted by: Noirette | Sep 12 2019 15:00 utc | 78 So after all threats of war and warcrimes by Israel. Putin invites Netanyahu to Russia. Posted by: Zanon | Sep 12 2019 15:08 utc | 79 @Zanon | Sep 12 2019 15:08 utc | 82
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer? Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2019 15:24 utc | 80 Macron recently opened his mouth and spoke before an assembly of ambassadors using words seldom uttered by a Western leader. The Saker noted and translated what he felt was the important part of the text then wrote it up, although it oddly comes after a recap on Ukraine when it ought to stand on its own. As yet, there’s no English transcript, but Saker does link to the French and provides the following translation of what he considers the key section: Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 15:34 utc | 81 psychohistorian @80– Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 16:06 utc | 82 @ karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 15:34 utc | 84 Posted by: jared | Sep 12 2019 16:31 utc | 83 karlof1 @85
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 12 2019 16:48 utc | 84 I had no idea Macron was capable of such good sense. Is he still reflecting the views of his Rothschild mentors? Posted by: lysias | Sep 12 2019 16:52 utc | 85 @lysias | Sep 12 2019 16:52 utc | 88
Macron wants to be king of Europe. Opportunists like him have an ability to pretend. He wants to reserve a place for himself in a lifeboat rather than go down with Titanic. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2019 17:01 utc | 86 ON DOGS AND COMMON KNOWLWDGE
Ben Hunt writes about game theory:
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 12 2019 17:06 utc | 87 So UK is leaving Europe (as in EU) – leaving Germany in charge. Posted by: jared | Sep 12 2019 17:10 utc | 88 didn’t see this posted, apologies if repeat, been away. Posted by: Noirette | Sep 12 2019 17:11 utc | 89 israel just caught spying on US.fbi.the pm say no.hahaha. Posted by: dahoit | Sep 12 2019 17:49 utc | 90 Petri Krohn | Sep 12 2019 17:06 utc | 90– Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 18:05 utc | 91 @Grieved #39 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 12 2019 18:27 utc | 92 Proof Outlaw US Empire directly armed terrorists: Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 18:31 utc | 93 At @6:40 in his TUC Speech linked above, Corbyn airs what’s planned for the General Election: The election plus “a public vote with a credible option to leave and the option to remain.” The remainder of his speech consists of Labour’s plans when it gains government control, which initially aims to rectify the wrongs unleashed by past Tory and Blairite policies. Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 19:10 utc | 94 Below is a link to a posting about murder in Brazil with the backing of Bolsonaro Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 12 2019 19:38 utc | 95 The annual BRICS Academic Forum began yesterday in Brazil and is chaired by Russia’s Duma’s Chairman of the Committee on Education and Science Viacheslav Nikonov. BRICS Reality was the title for his opening speech that was based on a lecture he gave two weeks ago in Moscow, of which Media has chosen to focus on the section about BRICS Values. Nikonov takes Putin’s demise of liberalism a step further: Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 20:46 utc | 96 Here’re the links to the 2-part series compiled by Dilyana Gaytandzhieva about what ought to be termed the Smoking Arms Gun Expose after the special Outlaw US Empire unit–Task Force Smoking Gun–charged with arming terrorists: part one and part two. Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 21:19 utc | 97 Reportedly, last month President Trump beckoned representatives of the Taliban and the puppet Afghan government to Camp David for a nine-eleven announcement that peace in Afghanistan was at hand after eighteen years. But then the Taliban screwed it up. . .Or did they? Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 12 2019 21:47 utc | 98 An idea’s been floated that with Bolton’s firing, Iran would be willing to talk with Trump, a notion I see as incorrect and inane. Here’s what Zarif tweeted in response to Bolton’s axing: Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 21:53 utc | 99 Michael Tracy with more on the DNC’s poll manipulation keeping Gabbard out of next debate: Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2019 22:29 utc | 100 |
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