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September 28, 2019

On The Motives Behind Whistleblower-gate

The recent impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump is the second attempt by the CIA and the Democratic establishment to sabotage Trump's presidency. The first attempt was the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory which falsely claimed that Trump colluded with the Russian government to win the election. It took more than two years to defeat it. It had the intended side effect that it disabled Trump from making peace with Russia.

The second is likewise run by the CIA and the Democratic establishment. The CIA created an artificial issue that the Democrats used to justify the launch of an impeachment process against Trump. The impeachment attempt has little chance to dethrone Trump. But the affair will again hamstring any attempts for better relations with Russia.  The operation is also designed to further prevent Trump digging into the background of Russiagate and the people behind it.

The second attempt is a simpler construct than Russiagate. A CIA operative who was temporarily delegated to the White House constructed a 'whistleblower complaint' that is completely based on hearsay and public sources. It is also about issues that are outside of the CIA's immediate business.

Until very recently the intelligence community complaint form required that any claimant had first hand knowledge of the complaint issue. The form was changed in August (more here) but uploaded only on September 24 to also allow for hearsay to be the basis of a complaint. This reinforces the impression that the complaint is part of a larger intelligence operations. Who initiated the change?

The whistleblower statute says that the matter in question must be an "urgent concern" that is defined as:

... a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operations of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters

At the core of the complaint in question is a claim that Trump used a phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of the Ukraine to press Zelensky to investigate two issues. The call memorandum was declassified and published.

During the phone call Zelensky had two requests. He wanted U.S. anti-tank weapons and he wanted an invitation to the White House. (He got both.) Trump also had a request. He asked that Ukrainian authorities investigate two issues of U.S. public interest. The first is the reported interferences by Ukrainian government officials in favor of Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election campaign. This also involved the notorious security company CrowdStrike which made some false claims about Russian hacking in the Ukraine. The second one is the also well-know intervention by then Vice-President Joe Biden against a Ukrainian Attorney General who had an open investigation against a company that was sponsoring his son Hunter Biden.

The U.S.and the Ukraine have a treaty that requires them to cooperate on law enforcement matters. That Trump wanted the Ukrainian authorities to investigated these issues was well known. His personal lawyer Rudi Giuliani had said for several months that he was looking into these questions.

The issues pointed out in the complaint are clearly beyond the scope of the whistleblower statute. Trump's actions with regard to the Ukraine, especially the phone call, were neither outside of any law nor do they involve any intelligence activity. What Trump did during the call was not nefarious. The issue is clearly a question of "differences in opinion concerning public policy matters".

A whistleblower complaint must be send to the relevant agency’s inspector general. If he finds it credible it goes to the head of the agency who decides if it is within the statute and, if it is, sends the complaint to Congress. The agency’s inspector general Michael Atkinson found the complaint 'credible' but, after seeking legal advice, the acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire did not forward it to Congress. It was the right thing to do as the content of the complaint is neither 'whistleblowing' nor within the relevant statute.

What happened next is curious:

The agency’s inspector general, Michael Atkinson, notified Congress that the complaint existed but says he and Maguire have reached an “impasse” over whether to turn it over.

I have found no legal analysis if this was a required move or outside of the usual process. After that step was taken details of the complaint  leaked to the press as they were supposed to do.

The Democrats immediately raised a public ruckus and demanded to see the complaint and call transcript and to have them declassified. They likely hoped that Trump would fight them over this. But Trump immediately obliged. He had nothing to fear. A diligent reading of the phone call memo and the complaint shows that there is nothing illegal or otherwise condemnable in his behavior towards the Ukraine. One may not like what he does as president but that does not make it illegal.

Despite the lack of any sound basis the Democrats announced an impeachment inquiry even as it has little public support and will drown out any positive momentum for policy issues the Democratic primary candidates want to promote. The impeachment inquiry will run right along the lines laid out in the complaint.

The complaint and the Democrats claim that Trump held back loans from the Ukraine to press Zelensky on the issue. Zelensky denies he even knew that the loans were withheld and said that it was a non-issue.

The Hill @thehill - 20:31 UTC · Sep 27, 2019
Sen. Chris Murphy: "In my meeting...Zelensky did not make any connection between the aid that had been cut off & the requests that he was getting from Giuliani but the Ukrainian govt certainly thru multiple channels was expressing their confusion about who they should listen to."

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) has himself intervened with Zelensky:

While choosing his words carefully, Murphy made clear — by his own account — that Ukraine currently enjoyed bipartisan support for its U.S. aid but that could be jeopardized if the new president acquiesced to requests by President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani to investigate past corruption allegations involving Americans, including former Vice President Joe Biden’s family.

The Democrats say that it is unfair that Trump is asking the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden who currently leads in the Democrats' primary. They claim that he wants the material only to smear Biden.

But there is no need to smear Biden. He himself proudly told the story (vid) of how he blackmailed the Ukrainian government. It is also widely known that his son Hunter had an affair with his sister-in-law while his brother was fighting cancer, spent extravagantly on drugs and prostitutes according to his former wife and was dishonorably discharged from the Navy Reserve for cocaine use.

Three weeks after Joe Biden had helped to overthrow the Ukrainian government his not so honorable son Hunter Biden was invited to take a $50,000 per month board seat of Burisma, a Ukrainian gas producer whose owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, was under investigation for corruption and tax evasion. Hunter Biden did not know anything about the Ukraine or natural gas. The company had only one reason to hire him and that was his father.

A few months later Joe Biden withheld a $1 billion loan guarantee to get the Ukrainian prosecutor general who was running the corruption investigation against Burisma fired. Biden claimed that he wanted the prosecutor general to go because he was corrupt and that the case against Burisma was already closed. But several recently revealed papers show that those claims are false. More dirt about Biden's actions in Ukraine is just coming out.

By opening the impeachment inquiry the Democrats, not Trump, highlight Biden's corruption and throw him under the bus. That maybe a welcome side effect for the Democratic establishment which prefers that the second incarnation of Hillary Clinton, Senator Elizabeth Warren, wins the primaries.

There is other dirt that the Democrats may fear.

During the 2016 election campaign Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American who worked for the Democratic National Committee had contacts with the Ukrainian embassy. She asked for digging up dirt on Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort who had worked in the Ukraine. Soon a mysterious ledger was found by an anonymous person in the burned out headquarter of an Ukrainian party which allegedly showed that Manafort had received large amounts of black money. The ledger was an obvious favor by the Ukrainians for the Clinton campaign. Trump had to fire Manafort who was later sentenced for tax evasion and other unrelated crimes. Trump wants to pardon Manafort and needs some public reason to do so. If the Ukrainians find that the ledger was faked at the request of the DNC the issue might well fall back on the Democrats.

But what is the intent of the CIA in organizing the clearly abnormal whistleblower complaint?

Here we have to look at the second request Trump made to Zelensky. He wants to know more about Russiagate. During that operation, which was directed by Obama's spy chief John Brennan, the 'former' MI6 agent Christopher Steele created a fake dossier of alleged collusion between Trump and the Kremlin. The dossier was used to justify FBI spying on the Trump campaign. It is quite possible that some of Steele's 'Russian' sources were actually from the Ukraine.

There are also a number of loose ends from the 2014 coup in Ukraine which the CIA will not like to have disclosed. Zelensky had promised to restart the investigation into the Maidan massacre. The CIA would surely like to prevent any disclosure of its heavy involvement in that affair.

Good relations with Trump would have helped Zelensky to achieve his aims. It would have hindered better CIA control over Zelensky. The disclosure and ruckus about the phone call will make it more difficult for Trump and Zelensky to cooperate. That part of the plan worked.

But there is also already a casualty on the side of the plotters against Trump.

The new Ukrainian president was looking for ways to make peace with Russia and had hoped that Trump would help him. The hawks had installed Kurt Volker as U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine to prevent any such moves. Volker, a former U.S. ambassador to NATO, had been hired by then Secretary of State Rex Tillerson but had demanded no pay. Volker is the hawkish head of the McCain Institute which received donations from George Soros' Open Society. He is also a partner in a public relation company that was hired by then President of Ukraine Poroshenko.

The whistleblower complaint says that Volker visited Zelensky on July 26, one day after his call with Trump, to "provide advice to the Ukrainian leadership about how to 'navigate' the demands that the President had made of Mr. Zelenskyy."

Volker was the 'borg' member sent to Ukraine to exercise control over the Ukrainian government. He clearly tried to sabotage Trump's efforts to push Zelensky to investigate the Ukrainian side of the Russiagate and Biden affairs. Volker also wanted to prevent better relations with Russia:

As Trump's special representative for Ukraine negotiations, Volker strongly supported a shift in policy to send lethal weapons to Kyiv, including tank-busting Javelins, described by its manufacturer as "the world's most versatile and lethal one-man-portable, anti-tank, guided munition and surveillance weapon system."

But at the same time Volker was pushing to convince Trump to arm Ukraine, he also held positions with a major lobbying firm, BGR Group, and with a think tank, the McCain Institute, that both had financial ties to Raytheon Company, which manufactures the Javelin system and earned millions from Trump's decision.

Yesterday Volker suddenly left his job. Why? Was he one of those who fed the whistleblower with content for his complaint? That Volker leaves now, before being fired by Trump for sabotaging his requests to and relations with Zelensky, is likely an unintended consequence of the whistleblower operation.

If Trump is as smart as he thinks he will install a new special representative to the Ukraine who does his bidding.

How about Rudi Giuliani?

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Gee, who do we believe, a 6 times bankrupt scammer from Queens, or a Dim corporate hack ?
Late stage capitalism was never going to be fun.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Sep 28 2019 20:09 utc | 1

But it accomplishes what the anti-Trump lobby is after:
To create the public impression with Trump haters that Trump might be going (ignored; and then Pence? OMG!!!), and with that the far more nefarious program of US wars and mayhem abroad and population control at home.

It's working well. Just talk with some of your Trump hating friends.

Posted by: Juannie | Sep 28 2019 20:19 utc | 2

Looks to me like the ptb desire is that Elizabeth Warren loses to Mitt Romney in 2020. Plan B would be the reverse; either way it's back to "normalcy".

Posted by: NOBTS | Sep 28 2019 20:27 utc | 3

And the yanks wonder why their bridges and roads are crumbling. No time for infrastructure between bitch fights and foreign wars.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 28 2019 20:32 utc | 4

Juannie - 2
This also has the unintended consequence that it pushes the US farther on the road to civil war. Anyone who thinks a successful impeachment of Trump will go uncontested by a sizable portion of his (quite often armed) voter base is out of his mind.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 28 2019 20:34 utc | 5

b

This comment on Sundance's article on the changed report form sets out the timeline. Seems to be a panicked response to Trump releasing the transcript.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/27/icig-whistleblower-form-recently-modified-to-permit-complaint-heard-from-others/comment-page-3/#comment-7399389

Expecting a tweet from Trump on this in the near future. Looking forward to the author of the edit being identified.

Posted by: Barbara Ann | Sep 28 2019 20:41 utc | 6

An American journalist asks putin why he stereo types Americans. She craps on about how Americans respect their institutions rather than the person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7KHa8aBpdk

Governance in any country depends on the people in the government structure, and the people of the country. No amount of laws or 'institutions' can prevent country becoming corrupt to the core.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 28 2019 20:42 utc | 7

Great digging b, that sure is one mighty unpleasant swamp. Blatant sabotage of US foreign relations by the Brennan gang of deep state fame. Trump is dreadfully weak on appointing trustworthy administration leaders. Whatever happened to the Trump family brains trust of Kuchner and Co?

Fabulous twist at the end with the traitor Volker exiting stage left. Mighty good writing.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 28 2019 20:50 utc | 8

uncle tungsten "Trump is dreadfully weak on appointing trustworthy administration leaders."

Most appointees have to be approved by the senate. Severely limits the pool (or swamp) of candidates to choose from.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 28 2019 21:08 utc | 9

Seems pretty clear that this plan was a long time in the oven as a collaboration between CIA officials and allies in the democratic party, with the speaker having changed House rules to exclude all meaningful Republican input until the committees have prepared their impeachment case over the recess. Full court press from the sympathetic media outlets in high gear putting out their preferred narrative. Trump team fighting back already with their own narrative.

Seems to me that what could really change the debate is credible new revelations from the Ukraine (with documentation), and/or similar revelations on the domestic side about russiagate.

Looks like it will be an ugly, divisive fight with the electorate and chance of civil discourse about important matters the losers no matter the outcome.

Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 28 2019 21:10 utc | 10

NOBTS - Trump will be the GOP candidate in 2020 unless he is dead. And that includes if he is impeached and removed from office by the Senate. This coup is not going to end well.

Posted by: Don Wills | Sep 28 2019 21:12 utc | 11

It has become painfully obvious that the American establishment a.k.a. Congress and Senate are useless eaters, non productive leaches on society, playing games at all times. Seeing where they can rob, steal, confiscate, threaten, sanction, and most Americans will enthusiastically support this shit. The corruption has filtered into everyday life, and the real matter of life is abandoned. The "fish rots from the head down", is very apt and with that degrading their society into a moral swamp. What will be left of the carcass that is the USA? We are witnessing in real time the implosion of a once great people. Honor is in a bygone era.

Posted by: Taffyboy | Sep 28 2019 21:18 utc | 12

There is a claim that the story about the whistleblower forms being switched is wrong...that ClimateAudit mixed up different forms.

https://twitter.com/_Almaqah/status/1177692043965018113

Posted by: Dave | Sep 28 2019 21:22 utc | 13

This is a superb analysis and demonstrates yet again how this site is the best place for unbiased and thoroughly empirical reasoning. Thank you, b! Your research has no equal.

Posted by: Theophrastus | Sep 28 2019 21:23 utc | 14

Thanks for clarifying all of my nags. When I read the whistleblowers complaint right after it came out, I said to myself “this is written by a lawyer”. The one thing for certain is that there is not just one whistleblower. There are plotters. It is not a conspiracy theory to conclude that globalists are losing lots money due to the Trump tariff wars. The intelligence community and Democratic politicians at their donors’ directions have launched the second coup attempt to get Donald Trump gone. This came out after the Houthis showed that America’s defense of Saudi Arabia is a scam to enrich war profiteers. Impeachment together with Brexit show that the Atlantic Empire has lost control. Self-inflicted chaos is engulfing the five-eyes nations.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Sep 28 2019 21:48 utc | 15

I've seen several comments that didn't look like spam or trolling appear and then disappear today and yesterday. Anyone know what's going on?

Posted by: Mark Warner | Sep 28 2019 21:48 utc | 16

Reading the twitter thread b linked to in the changes of form.
Research was by a Canadian. Funny comment in reply to the tweets on the changes.

Kelly T
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Replying to @ClimateAudit
Americans digging and doing the work of REAL reporters! Thank you and thank God! These are troubling times!

Stephen McIntyre
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"Americans digging".
Not so fast. I'm a Canadian.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 28 2019 21:52 utc | 17

no need to get too worked up about the legal technicalities.

i do want to recognize that impeachment isn't exclusively for crimes per the legal system, it is more of a catch-all for Congress to have something meaningful it can threaten Presidents with. As such it is to be judged by a fairly simple audience reaction (votes in House/Senate, public sentiment) rather than the type of reasoning in a court. it is there for a perfectly good reason and entirely open to interpretation by whoever has the votes in Congress.

Anyway, as with Russiagate, the details of the accusation can change as needed. the "walls will continue closing" in etc.

With the Mueller investigation they could and did threaten many of the people they interviewed with jail time, to prevent them from publicly discussing the things they talked to the investigators about. This is justified by protecting the integrity of the investigation itself. It's a powerful tool, maybe the most significant one, as the opposing investigations face off. Eventually the threats get silly on some level and the two sides can trade. fun little economy. One Biden + One Bolton in exchange for an impeachment inquiry and 1.5 extra points to Trump in the general election?

Posted by: ptb | Sep 28 2019 21:57 utc | 18

OK, so this is the clearest example yet of the United States intelligence community, affectionately known as the "deep state" taking any action necessary to cover up their previous wrongdoings and prevent any new investigations that might endanger their self-defined mission or pre-approved persons from climbing the D.C. career ladder. I cannot emphasize this enough - here is a super easy to see instance displaying the power that they have over the Congress and the President. All they have done here is manufacture an issue, based on recently altered protocol and forms, to remove a less-than-friendly-to-their-agenda sitting POTUS. This will not end well for the Democrats at the ballot box.

Posted by: Mark Warner | Sep 28 2019 22:15 utc | 19

Judging by the content of the home pages of both the New York Times and the Washington Post, it doesn't seem that Elizabeth Warren is the Democrat's "Plan A": there's literally zero mentions about Joe Biden's case in the sack of the Ukraine of 2014. At this point in Human History, we can already affirm with confidence both newspapers are mouthpieces for the Democratic Party, the Deep State and the "moderate Republicans", so this is a direct archaeological evidence Biden is not discarded -- not only he wasn't, but I still think this impeachment was a desperate attempt to protect him for the 2020 election: the NYT is burning the credibility it doesn't have and the Democratic Party is exposing itself to an all-in position because of him.

Looks like Joe Biden is their Plan A, and B, and C... and Z. Unless he dies, I don't see Elizabeth Warren getting the nomination. Therefore, I'm willing to discard the false flag hypothesis for now, even though I'm certain there must be some members of the DNC elite who certainly support Warren and are actively working to sabotage Biden.

Also, if Biden was to be sabotaged from within in order to give way to Elizabeth Warren, the DNC would've already done that with that sex abuse scandal of some months ago. That was the perfect moment for the pro-Warren faction -- if it was the dominant one in the DNC -- to do their job. That not only didn't happen, but the coverage quickly petered out in both the NYT and the WaPo, the #metoo movement suddenly going silent on the issue.

Biden is very powerful and a very dangerous man. He is a mafia man, a gangster, and that's the way he surely is whiping the DNC to do his bidding. He perfectly reflects the ethos of the USA.

The Democrats, by the way, seem to have absorbed the entire American political spectrum of the 21st Century to the left of neofascism and to the right of socialism ("communism"): we have Gabbard in the progressive field, Harris in the postmodern field, Sanders in the Gaitskellite ("democratic socialist") field, Elizabeth Warren in the "center-left" (as an "FDR Democrat"), Joe Biden as the dead center/liberal ("establishment", "born to rule", "POTUS material") and Buttigieg in the social liberal field (i.e. a conservative neoliberal in all but name and party). It's the perfect photo finish of the Western democratic system: an onion-like buffer system with endless ideological failsafes.

Posted by: vk | Sep 28 2019 22:18 utc | 20

- I could imagine that in the end Zelensky (as a result of all the confusing actions of the US) could end up in the russian camp instead of the US\European camp. Too early to say what will happen in the next days/weeks/months but I DO see this as a possible (!!!) outcome. I am sure Russia will also (try to) excert its "influence".

Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 28 2019 22:19 utc | 21

The DemoCIAtic Party is not a thing, but all this drivel relies on this mythological creature genuinely existing. Deep State theory is a combination of paranoia and stupidity. In particular it relies on the assumption Shokin was a genuine threat to Biden or anyone else, which is preposterous on the face of it. Biden bragging about it is like Trump bragging about grabbing pussy---what it really proves is he's an asshole bragging, not a criminal confessing to the cops. The Maidani fascist regime screamed corruption but had no more intention of cleaning house than Trump had to drain the swamp. And the outrage here is supposed to be about how Trump couldn't make peace with Russia, then and now, and that Zelensky can't make peace with Russia now. The chances Zelensky wants peace are slim to none.

What is confessed already is that Trump was campaigning on the public dime on public time. Whether that's a felony or a misdemeanor violation I don't know. The grain of truth in the post is that there's no treason. But Trump whining about murdering Whistleblower for treason puts all his defenders into the would-be murderer camp.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 28 2019 22:21 utc | 22

"Never mind, also, the fact that Hunter Biden was a philandering drug addict with absolutely zero business or qualifications to hold this position..."

I beg to differ. Hunter Biden was an outside director. What are the qualifications needed to be an outside director? Having a well-know name is a plus, and it is absolutely unnecessary to be the primary holder of that name. The board of directors decides stuff like the formula for paying the top executives, and the prized qualification is to have a profound lack of interests in such matters. You may also have an economist interested in the finance structure of the company, but usually specific business of the company is outside the directors expertise.

In the countries that I have some familiarity, mostly Slavic, complains about corruption, corruption as political issue and investigation of corruption are a constant fixture. A company can be pestered diligently, overzealously, or leisurely with a lot of humane understanding, or not at all. Invariably, political connections of the company plays a role, of course, if those connections can be discerned. Thus after every major political change is it of utmost importance to update those connections.

The head of Burisma had a stint in the government of Yanukovych, hence he had a dire need to make such an update. Enter Hunter Biden. Well known name, I presume lack of interest in executive pay, and if he lacked knowledge of finance (may be he had some), one expert was on the board already. His name had similar implication as a sign in the forest near Warsaw that I have seen as a student hiker: "Artillery proving range. Entering can cause death." There was no fence, but the signage was more convincing than the usual "Entry prohibited".

On a wider topic, complains about Poroshenko government not doing enough about corruption (or too much, if you change perspective) did not cease to the very end. It makes me wonder what is the mechanism of alerting "concerned Western governments and financial organization" about insufficient investigations. I conjecture that intelligence agencies and sock puppet NGOs ("Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Action Center, told the Washington Post...") may play a role, and what is easiest to do is to check what political connections were updated, and if so, how convincingly.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 28 2019 22:24 utc | 23

We know that the Intelligence Community (IC) has a lot of power in the United States and abroad, but we don't know the depth of IC control, as we more from Russiagate to Ukrainegate.

One person became aware of this situation was also a victim of it, according to his description. George Papadopoulos became the first person to plead guilty in the Mueller Investigation when―on October 5, 2017―he conceded that he had lied to the F.B.I. about a conversation with a professor during which he was told that Moscow had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton and “thousands of emails,” according to court records. Papadopoulos is a former adviser to President Trump and Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Dr. Ben Carson.

Papadopoulos has written a book about hs experience: Deep State Target: How I Got Caught in the Crosshairs of the Plot to Bring Down President Trump here

a commet on Amazon:
This book reads like a spy novel, but it isn’t a novel! The set-up is positively frightening. Who thought this scheme up? The Deep State devised a plan to use this man to prove Trump colluded with Russia. They took pictures, recorded him and tried to get him to say things. It takes place all over the world in luxury hotels with beautiful spies. I tell you, this should be a darned movie. Read it. Then be angry. The Mueller Investigation was BS from the start.

Papadopoulos ia a whistleblower on the CIA! That's a switch. . .And I'm reminded of Gerry Spence, the famous trial lawyer: -- “I found that the minions of the law–the special agents of the FBI–to be men who proved themselves not only fully capable, but also utterly willing to manufacture evidence, to conceal crucial evidence and even to change the rules that governed life and death if, in the prosecution of the accused, it seemed expedient to do so.”
From Freedom to Slavery, p. 27

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 28 2019 22:29 utc | 24

Wall Street has said "no campaign funds" to Elizabeth Warren.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 28 2019 22:32 utc | 25

Scylla and Charybdis--Trump or the Intelligence Services? How do we pass through?

Posted by: JohnH | Sep 28 2019 22:34 utc | 26

Honestly, the entire “Crowdstrike-Ukraine” nonsense has a greater half-life than U-235. The company is based in CA, is American-founded, with one of the founders, Dimitri Alperovich, originally born in the former Soviet Union, is now a naturalized US citizen. There is NO Ukrainian connection with Crowdstrike, and however one may doubt the company’s findings of “Russian hacking” of the DNC servers, the risible notion of “the server” sitting somewhere in the Ukraine is sheer fantasy. C’mon, people, be factual!.

Posted by: barrisj | Sep 28 2019 22:38 utc | 27

The Dems are beginning to remind me of that sleazy institution known as the BBC whom George Orwell one described as "a cross between a girls school and a lunatic asylum."

It's interesting that the MSM isn't talking about the unfinished investigation by the Intel Inspector General into Russia-gate. It'd be funny if Hillary and her hench-persons were arrested before the Rumourblower fiasco collapsed under the weight of its own hype & bs.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 28 2019 22:43 utc | 28

"Biden claimed that he wanted the prosecutor general to go because he was corrupt and that the case against Burisma was already closed. But several recently revealed papers show that those claims are false."

I haven't read your links, but according to Ukrainian journalist and political figure Serhiy Leshchenko, it was widely known that the prosecutor general Shokin was corrupt, but the Burisma case was not closed, at the time. Rather, it had shut down when Shokin's successor, Lutsenko, shut it down. And further, Lutsenko lied about this to Giuliani.

From thepopulist.us

Serhiy L. : And Mr. Poroshenko, the president was backing Mr. Shokin. So, in Ukraine at the time it was being[inaudible 00:13:21] of let’s say desire of changes. Including the resignation of Mr. Shokin.

Lee Stranahan:Now the way John Solomon at The Hill’s pointed out, when you put up Lutsenko though, he was trying to make it appear … And. I’m a … I’m not a fan of Joe Biden,but he was trying to make it appear as though Joe Biden had gotten Shokin out in order to stop an investigation into Joe Biden.

Lee Stranahan: But, is it true that in fact the person who shut down the investigation was Lutsenko, John Solomon’s source? The person who shut down the investigation,who closed it, on Joe Biden’s son and Burisma, that person, that was actually Lutsenko, correct?

Serhiy L.:Correct, correct. Yes. This is a part of misleading campaign which were constructed by our current prosecutor general, Mr. Lutsenko. Because, Mr.Lutsenko doesn’t want to lose his position after presidential elections, and to keep this position he decided to construct this conspiracy theory. Maybe some facts can be correct, but a lot of rogue facts”

I have argued that Giuliani (and thus Trump) was being set up by Lutsenko, plus allies in the intelligence community, partly on this basis. I have also listed a number of things that Trump should do as President; and other things he should do as a politician, in (SUGGESTION BOX TRUMP) Find out if Trump and Giuliani were set up

Posted by: metamars | Sep 28 2019 22:48 utc | 29

@Piotr Berman #26

Excellent points, all, but I could not find the quote you referenced in the original writeup by "b" or in comments. Was there a link that I missed regarding what I assume to be a statement about Hunter Biden's philandering?

The Ukrainian LNG firm had several non-Ukrainians (incl. Americans) on the board at the same time as H.B. didn't they?

Posted by: Mark Warner | Sep 28 2019 23:15 utc | 30

Sorry to be off topic but Julian is really suffering in Belmarsh. Julian is us.

At my late age I learned sailing but too late to ferry Julian Assange over to Venezuela. I became a bit obsessed by this way back when he was in Norfolk, England. But I had no experience on a sailboat or an Atlantic Crossing. But I saw it as his only chance. Since then, and my enthusiasm maybe, my family have got together to buy an old ocean-going yacht. So with a brilliantly competent brother I could do now what i wanted to back then. Sorry, Julian.

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 28 2019 23:29 utc | 31

I expect that this language will figure prominently in the impeachment proceedings, “The Act also prohibits any person from soliciting, accepting, or receiving a contribution from a foreign national. 52 U.S.C. 30121(a)(2). To solicit means “to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.”11 CFR §110.20(a)(6) (citing 11CFR23§300.2(m)).

Posted by: wobblie | Sep 28 2019 23:32 utc | 32

Seems this is not mentioned here yet.
A very relevant document on Biden's corruption.

Paul Craig Roberts:
Sworn Statement of Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin that He Was Forced out of Office by US VP Joe Biden.

The sworn statement: https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement#download

Posted by: k | Sep 28 2019 23:34 utc | 33

Thanks for this credible analysis.

It's a refreshing change of pace from the US corporate and complicit mass-media, which is busily flogging the frame that "The megalomaniacal Trump stupidly invited Zalensky to dig up dirt on his main 'political rival', and either didn't realize or didn't care that this vengeful 'high crime' would come back to fatally bite him on the ass."

As usual, I check out various US-based websites that target progressive-liberals and would-be leftists. I'm sorry to say that I notice that a number of regular commenters with whom I'm familiar have abandoned their usual skepticism and buy into the "This time Trump has finally done it!" indictment.

Even without the detailed wheels-within-wheels information and analysis B. provides in this post, it was clear enough to me from the outset that this latest "bombshell" was a slightly tweaked reiteration of the "Russian collusion" bugaboo. So I can't figure out why the prog-libs who saw through that frame-up are so willing to swallow this one whole.

At least I now have this MOA post to recommend to these non-skeptics, so thanks again!

PS to polecat: You also misspelled "warranted". ;)

Posted by: Ort | Sep 28 2019 23:55 utc | 34

b: But what is the intent of the CIA in organizing the clearly abnormal whistleblower complain[t]?

I've been asking this question since first hearing of the whistle-blower complaint.

IMO, it's just a distraction from the fact that we are on the brink of war with Iran.

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Anyone that's suspicious of the Deep State and the duopoly Party system that is used for political control would rightly look past the political bullshit entailed in this complaint and the impeachment process that it has prompted.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 28 2019 23:55 utc | 35

There is only ONE political party in power in the US, the big global money party. They own most of the members of the supposed two party system in the US. The big global money party is being challenged by upstart countries like China/Russia/Iran/Venezuela/Syria and others over control of the tools of finance.

We are in WWIII over that issue but here we are "discussing" an entirely different narrative while the war goes on in the background. Control of the public narrative is essential for ongoing control of the public. Without Whistleblower-gate the world would be discussing Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, China, Russia, Iran and maybe even the 40K workers on strike in the US auto industry along with climate change. But now with whistleblower-gate in the center of public discourse for the next few months....following on from the narrative control of Russia-gate, the public will be kept in the dark and unengaged in the more important issues facing Western "society". And furthermore, any actions in those arena by the big global money party will occur with barely a whimper by the MSM while whistleblower-gate maintains the public focus.

Does it really matter who is president of the US to the big global money party?
No, because none represent any challenge to their ongoing control of all the important actions behind the facade of narrative control.

Thankfully the world will evolve or go extinct without the help of the brainwashed masses enthralled by the current kabuki fed to them by the media giant tools of the big global money party.

I am looking forward to b covering the latest move by the Houthi of Yemen and Syria kicking out the US and Turkey from within its borders. I hope you all enjoy whistleblower-gate.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 29 2019 0:04 utc | 36

@ 37 Jackrabbit

Yes, when it all adds up it's war, inevitably, inexorably.

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 29 2019 0:06 utc | 37

Will Trump's request to know more about Russiagate expose Brennan's and Clappers' involvement with the Russian spy Oleg Smolenkov who may have been involved with the Steele Dossier? A good take on the Smolenkov affair over at Pat Lang's site here.

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/09/john-brennans-and-jim-clappers-last-gasp-by-larry-c-johnson.html

Patrick Armstrong's sitrep this week, "TRUMP-ZELENSKY PHONE CALL. The Democrat Party has found a new rake to step on."

Posted by: Tom | Sep 29 2019 0:18 utc | 38

Hillary survived serious ethical questions. McCain survived his associations with Syrian Jihadis. Trump survived paying off a pornstar and the bogus Russiagate.

Biden may well survive the backlash from this whistleblower complaint. Because even if Biden DID act to help his son, or a company that his son was associated with, there is virtually no way to PROVE IT:

>> Biden makes it clear that he's not acting on his own authority.

>> Biden's conflict of interest was public knowledge and thus DISCLOSED. His employer (President Obama) chose to allow Biden to continue anyway.

>> Much is made of Hunter Biden's lack of experience in Ukraine business, but Burisma didn't ask him to join for such experience. Hunter's experience as a lobbiest and lawyer and investor are much more likely to have been reasons.


CONCLUSION: Not only does this nothingburger complaint have no impact on Trump, it has little impact on Biden as well. It is truly a conveniently-timed nothingburger distraction!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 29 2019 0:24 utc | 39

@ 41

Your high intelligence sometimes leaps ahead in too may bounds. Personally, I love to hear original thinking so go for it, but I do think this will bury Biden and put the Warren candidacy on top of the pile.

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 29 2019 0:49 utc | 40

IMO Russiagate was NOT an attempt to bring down Trump or cover for Hillary's loss.

It was/is the means of instituting a new McCarthyism.

"Ukrainegate" similarly should be expected to have a (bi-partisan) Deep State purpose.

My best guess for this purpose is to distract the public as we are on the cusp of war with Iran.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 29 2019 0:55 utc | 41

@ wobblie 34
re: “The Act also prohibits any person from soliciting, accepting, or receiving a contribution from a foreign national. 52 U.S.C. 30121(a)(2). To solicit means “to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.”11 CFR §110.20(a)(6) (citing 11CFR23§300.2(m

One of the central charges that the CIA/Dems have against Trump asking for information on Biden from a foreigner is, they contend, that information is a "thing of value."

But clearly the law is concerned with monetary and objects, which would be gifts of some value. BUT information is not a thing except to CIA/Dems. It is not an object.

thing: an object that one need not, cannot, or does not wish to give a specific name to.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2019 0:56 utc | 42

Statement by Viktor Shokin (the Ukrainian prosecutor in question):

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement#download

Interesting reading.

Posted by: SteveK9 | Sep 29 2019 0:59 utc | 43

One thing we do know about the Democratic Party candidate is that Hunter Biden will be his phantom running mate.
By insisting that this half forgotten scandal be revived and examined in detail the corporate Democrats are ensuring that only an insurgent can run against trump.
And that insurgent has to be Sanders who is not-as vk argues- a Gaitskellite. Gaitskell was backpedaling from socialism throughout his public career- he was an early Blairite, who believed that the class struggle had ended and the ruling class had surrendered.
Sanders has many failings but he knows better than that.
One cannot imagine Gaitskell's movement calling itself "Our Revolution" for example. As to the use of the term 'democratic socialist' that argument doesn't wash.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 29 2019 1:12 utc | 44

Author interviewed Trump in early 80's when he was full of himself but sane.

Author attended birthday party for Roy Cohn and members of the NY Supreme Court were there with that criminal

2 years later Cohn dying of aids, broke, everyone disowned him

Last paragraph

My guess is that if and when Ukraine-gate heads toward its rightful conclusion, Trump’s enablers—even Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, House minority leader Kevin McCarthy, and the president’s Fox News cheerleading squad—will eventually scatter the way cockroaches do when the kitchen lights go on. Then Trump will truly be on his own, save for his brain trust of Eric, Jarvanka, and Don junior. And even their loyalties are in doubt. Given the obvious decline in the president’s mental abilities—signaled in part by the ever shrinking arsenal of words at his disposal, not to mention his opinions, accusations, and actions—he could ask for leniency based on mental impairment. And he’d have some justification in doing so

https://airmail.news/issues/2019-9-28/the-view-from-here-2019-9-28

Found this link on the Drudge Report

Posted by: Don Utter | Sep 29 2019 1:20 utc | 45

My recollection, as a former federal civil servant, is that, to change the wording of a form, you have to submit a request to the Office of Management and the Budget, together with a justification. There should be a paper trail.

Posted by: lysias | Sep 29 2019 1:26 utc | 46

b:

There are also a number of loose ends from the 2014 coup in Ukraine which the CIA will not like to have disclosed. Zelensky had promised to restart the investigation into the Maidan massacre. The CIA would surely like to prevent any disclosure of its heavy involvement in that affair.

Good relations with Trump would have helped Zelensky to achieve his aims. It would have hindered better CIA control over Zelensky. The disclosure and ruckus about the phone call will make it more difficult for Trump and Zelensky to cooperate. That part of the plan worked.


I don't see the logic here.

1) Why is it more difficult for Trump and Zelensky to cooperate after a nothingburger?

2) I don't see why Zelensky would investigate Maidan because Zelensky is pro-West and is the creation of Ukrainian oligarch Kolomoisky who was a big supporter of Yulia Tymoshenko and right-wing groups that were an important factor in Maidan. Kolomoisky also provided support to private armies fighting against the Donbas rebels.

3) Kolomoisky and Zelensky are both Jewish and Kolomoisky is extraordinarily pro-Israel. Thus, it seems likely that Mossad exerts more control over Zelensky than CIA could ever hope to.

4) Ukraine is still in poor economic shape. It will be for a long time. USA can exert some control via arms deals and economic support. It's unlikely that Ukraine will do anything that might anger their patron.

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Also noteworthy

Zelensky has stated that he wants better relations ("reboot") with Russia. An investigation of Maidan may be part of such an initiative.

But analysts question Zelensky's seriousness about better relations. Among other things, Zelensky has recently:

denounced Nordstream2, calling it a threat to European security (aligned with USA position!)

demanded that Russia end its "war" on Ukraine by returning Donbas and Crimea.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 29 2019 1:34 utc | 47

Psychoh@ 38 said; "There is only ONE political party in power in the US, the big global money party. They own most of the members of the supposed two party system in the US. The big global money party is being challenged by upstart countries like China/Russia/Iran/Venezuela/Syria and others over control of the tools of finance."

Absolutely right, and DJT and most of our Gov. belongs to that club. The big global $ party.

Jrabbit is correct also. This political theater is 100% DISTRACTION...

Posted by: ben | Sep 29 2019 1:37 utc | 48

P.S. All the U$A's POTUS'es have been members of the "big global money party" and 99% of the MSM.

The so-called 4th estate is dead..

Posted by: ben | Sep 29 2019 1:53 utc | 49

@Taffyboy. You need to pre-alert readers. I spilled my drink. Oh so true,, see where they can rob and confiscate
Grand Thuggery rules.

Sadly, Stephen Lendman takes us back to 1824 "US political shenanigans began in the early days of the republic." from 1824-2016.

Longstanding US Electoral Dirty Tricks. Ukrainegate is a Russiagate Spinoff

IMO party bosses have been replaced by the money boys in a grand bargain with the super branch that governs - Cs, the Is and As.

Posted by: Likklemore | Sep 29 2019 1:58 utc | 50

Don Utter @48: An interesting and likely accurate view of Trump, but he lost me when he said the US public needs something simple to latch on to. The problem is not the public, it's the media feeding them crap all the time, and he is a long time denizen of that media.

In other news, those Houthis seem to be kicking Saudi ass again:

Yemen war: Houthi rebels claim mass capture of Saudi troops

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 29 2019 2:02 utc | 51

@ Bemildred with the OT Yemen news

Some of us MoA folks are discussing such on the last MoA week in Review/Open Thread

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 29 2019 2:07 utc | 52

If we pretend that this whole scenario is pre-arranged, and that all parties involved receive compensation from the same revenue source (essentially), then we could imagine that this is just a repeat of the same theatrics that we have seen since the election. Faction #1 says, "We are going to declassify some stuff we know you did...". Faction #2 say, "No you won't, we'll impeach you...". Faction #1 says, "Ok, ok, ok,... I was just kidding...". Get paid, repeat. Get paid, repeat. Get paid, repeat. Magically, no one goes to jail. Magically, no course correction at home, or abroad. Get paid, repeat. Its like the whole group of knuckle heads are specifically designed for television or something.

Posted by: Josh | Sep 29 2019 2:37 utc | 53

Psychohistorian I published about the same thing at 11 , but it did not make it to the list..

my post
3 Saudi brigades destroyed 1000s taken hostage.. Najrain.
interesting to compare the two articles.
your post
Yemen war: Houthi rebels claim mass capture of Saudi troops

Posted by: snake | Sep 29 2019 2:43 utc | 54

A tie-in to George Soros' AnTAC company and Fusion GPS is mentioned by Rudi Giuliani in the following STRATPOL youtube video (in French). Engish comments by Rudi Giuliani at timestanp at 3:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoQOhWEu8bM

Worth noting that Hunter Biden would have been denied entry to Ukraine and China for his drug conviction, except that his father was Joe Biden! More on his exemption to get a direct commission into the navy and his conviction under Uniform Code of Military Justice at.
https://www.discussionist.com/10152063112

Personally, I find a direct commission for Hunter Biden quite irregular. Back in 1971 while going through basic training for 1-AO CO medics at Fort Sam there was a woman private who went through basic training and the next day was promoted to full bird colonel as she was a thoracic surgeon in civilian life. No direct commission in her case - why for Biden?

Posted by: Krollchem | Sep 29 2019 3:10 utc | 55

Zelensky is as intentionally unpredictable as Trump. Zelensky wants to pretend that he doesn't serve the israel-firsters. Trump wants to pretend that he serves the israel-firsters. how funny is that????

Posted by: leftfielder | Sep 29 2019 3:25 utc | 56

It will be months of this investigation and trial. It will run on on TV endlessly. All the politicians will be grabbing the mike making points for their base of support. The Media will be soaked with this and it will not be offered as a distraction, it is the real deal in their minds. It is their chance to get Trump.


Biden will be damaged as well. Warren is drawing very large crowds and the rest a drawing next to nothing. Money has little to do with what is going on. The candidate with the biggest campaign chest will not be the winner. Trump spent half of what Hillary spent and had little of the PAC dollars that Hillary had. In addition Trump was endlessly attacked by his own party hacks and still won.


It is not about money, it is about people turning out for change. The focus is on changing the ridiculous conditions in the country. Trump spent half of what Hillary spent and won because the focus was on change. Whether it was real change or not is another story.


Impeaching Trump does freeze Zelinsky from seeking peace with Russia as he knows Trump probably has two years left and the Democrats will be in full control again. So the policy of the bureaucracy continues on in demonizing Russia and forcing her hand across the globe in taking actions like in Syria and Crimea.


It is typical blow back from the intelligence community running its own policy running counter to the elected administrations policy. It appears they want to keep the previous administrations polices in place.

Posted by: dltravers | Sep 29 2019 3:30 utc | 57

@ 58 said;"Personally, I find a direct commission for Hunter Biden quite irregular."

Gee, ya' think. These people engaged in this latest "distraction theater" all belong, and are owned, by the party of money.

They'll do and say anything, to keep relevant issues from the American public. (medicare for all, infrastructure repair, minimum wage increase, etc.).

The first question asked to the Dem candidates should be; who supplies your funds? Don't hold your breath 'til that happens..

Posted by: ben | Sep 29 2019 3:36 utc | 58

dltravers 60 "It will be months of this investigation and trial."

For sure. It was designed into the whistleblower script by claiming there are hidden records of telephone conversations. It will take a long time to find documents that quite likely do not exist.
Lots of subpoenas ect.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 29 2019 3:45 utc | 59

snake@57

Sorry "b" off topic response. delete if you wish.

The Eastern Lion twitter site has additional information on the Houthis victory you mentioned. Yemeni people in Sanaa sent more than 1200 cars of goods to AnsarAllah(Houthis) on September 22nd. On September 23rd thousands of Saudi forces were besieged.
https://twitter.com/Sunkway_China

This site also covered an earlier little known Houthis victory on September 2nd battle in the Abu Jabbara valley of Ketaf in Sada'a province. The Houthis destroyed the Saudi-back Fateh Brigade which suffered killed 350 and 1500 captured of perhaps 2000 Saudi backed troops. Hundreds of armed vehicles were abandoned by the brigade and captured.

This battle appears to have resulted in the death Yemeni Bri. Gen Amin Hamid al-Hamri (Abu Majid). And the wounding of Saudi Brigadier General Saad bin Shafi Al-Utaibi and Colonel Abdulrahman Fuhal Al-Kahtani.

This site also covers the Taliban fight against the US backed ISIS forces in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Krollchem | Sep 29 2019 4:10 utc | 60

Attention Concerned Citizens of the Republic: Sightings of the hovering Hillary Beast/Monster have recently increased. Is this the Deep State & Dementedcrat Party Plan B? After the impeachment gambit flops and Jalopy Joe Biden's wheels finally fall off?

Posted by: Bernard Jenkins | Sep 29 2019 4:35 utc | 61

The obvious CIA FbI ect deep state backing for Clinton and now Biden. Both the most hopeless candidates that could be put up.
Seems like they just need a body to put in the presidents position. A body without the semblance of a brain or have the slightest danger of being capable of thinking off script.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 29 2019 4:43 utc | 62

An alternative hypothesis is that this whole thing was orchestrated by Trump. Yes, I know, he isn't very sophisticated but with some help? I mean Russiagate collapsing boosted his popularity by a little. A failed democrat impeachment hearing might cement his chances for 2020 especially if leading democrat candidates are damaged by it (Biden and Warren are both investigated in this as Biden personally is and Warren is leading the dems on impeachment)

Posted by: Doryphore | Sep 29 2019 4:51 utc | 63

K @ 63; Thanks for the link. Thanks b, for leaving it up...

Posted by: ben | Sep 29 2019 4:53 utc | 64

Doryphore 67

Trump is a lot more sophisticated than than the clowns behind Russiagate and this show. I thought it may have been a trap set by Trump at first but now it looks more like an attempt to prevent any investigation into the dealings in Ukraine and Russiagate.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 29 2019 5:03 utc | 65

just head to laugh at your desperate motivated reasoning.

Posted by: xian | Sep 29 2019 6:29 utc | 66

Defending Trump's blatantly corrupt behavior here is deeply misguided. What we should be seeing and talking about is what this scandal reveals about American and global politics, generally. Of course, it's what we already knew, but now we are seeing the stinking guts of policy. It is a brutal and utterly corrupt game. Perhaps most nauseatingly, liberals-Dems-lefties will somehow manage to not see that it is the Democrats, particularly Biden and the Obama administration, that look the worst here. But that's no news. Dems and libs failed to see the significance of what happened with Hunter Biden, even though it was completely obvious, from day one. It isn't Trump who looks the worst here, not by a long long shot. That may be the most glaring thing about this scandal. But don't expect many on the socalled left to see that. Nor will the 'left' see that removing Trump leads to Pence-in-power. Nor will they see that hamstringing the few decent impulses Trump has will lead to even worse disasters. The Dems could have united with Trump on the few good notions he had. Instead they have sought relentlessly to undermine precisely those.

Posted by: paul | Sep 29 2019 6:42 utc | 68

Washington Post article pissed that the democrats are taking everyone's eyes off Iran just when the Europeans have come to the party.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/28/iran-burisma-hunter-biden-democrats-terrible-decision-go-all-impeachment/

And this..
"Only shock therapy can save the Democrats, and it is coming. A Justice Department inspector general report into surveillance of American citizens based on the Steele dossier is coming. If indictments are warranted, U.S. Attorney John Durham will be bringing them. And a deep dive into Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma, and its well-connected board member named Biden, is imminent."

Perhaps Trump did set a trap afterall.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 29 2019 7:31 utc | 69

Some information on the Skokin testimony : it played a role when the US requested the extradiction of Oligarch Dmytro Firtash from Austria. Especially Vienna is a resting Place for Ukrainians who were on the wrong side After the Regime change in 2014. F.e. the Family of Former President Mykola Asarow had premises Here; Not only Ukrainians use the lawyers Leopold Specht and Gabriel Lansky. Both Specht and Lansky belong to Lobbying and Intel Networks (isreaeli and American) including Martin Schlaff and Former Austrian Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer. He was Lobbying for Former Ukrainian government together with Manafort, the Podesta Group, FTI Consulting, Skadden and others. Skadden and FTI were in 2016 engaged for a smear campaign against Airbus, the biggest rival of Boeing, via Austrian Defense Minister Doskozil.

It is about Social Democrats whose Partners in the US are the Democrats. Since 2001 the SPÖ has election campaign advice by Stanley Greenberg (Clinton/Podesta Connection since the 1992 campaign) and Tal Silberstein. He is a mossad Agent who had his campaign debut in 1999 for Ehud Barak, paid by Austrian Jewish billionaire Schlaff who then brought him to Austria. More on such Deep State Connections See my Blog (Austria has today an election After the conservative government was toppled)

Posted by: Alexandra Bader | Sep 29 2019 7:51 utc | 70

this is just another way to escalate tensions with Russia,RussiaGate 2.............2020

Posted by: realist | Sep 29 2019 8:13 utc | 72

B. provided a link, rather short article that I repeat the link to here:

https://www.statepress.com/article/2019/09/sppolitics-mccain-head-steps-down

To link the dots, please understand that ASU in the reference above is Arizona State University. McCain was an Arizona senator.

Also note Kurt Volkner's bio here:

https://publicservice.asu.edu/content/kurt-volker

Repeated here with my boldface:

Ambassador Kurt Volker is a leading expert in U.S. foreign and national security policy with some 30 years of experience in a variety of government, academic, and private sector capacities. Ambassador Volker serves as executive director of the McCain Institute for International Leadership at Arizona State University based in Washington, D.C. He is also a non-resident senior fellow at the Center for Transatlantic Relations at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies, a senior advisor at the Atlantic Council, and a Trustee of IAU College in Aix-en-Provence, France. He is a consultant to international business, a member of the Board of Directors of Capital Guardian Funds Trust, and had previously served as managing director—International for BGR Group. He has taught Transatlantic Relations at The George Washington University Elliott School of International Affairs. In July, 2017, Ambassador Volker was also appointed U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations.

Posted by: Ant. | Sep 29 2019 8:25 utc | 73

b.

This is simply wrong

Trump's actions with regard to the Ukraine, especially the phone call, were neither outside of any law nor do they involve any intelligence activity. What Trump did during the call was not nefarious. The issue is clearly a question of "differences in opinion concerning public policy matters"

Trump was outsourcing electoral opposition research to Ukraine in his call. There are no legal proceedings against Biden in the US to justify this. Trump used his position as president to further his private interest. Which he has done in other matters, too, see Ivanka, Jared, Don junior and all the foreign dignitaries having switched to his hotels,

Corruption is usually done by people asking for special treatment. As soon as you are in power you get offers. Biden's son will have been offered the job, he almost certainly did not ask for it. Giuliani seems to have been in Ukraine achieving nothing. If Trump puts pressure on the Ukraine president after Giuliani got nothing then he expects their secret services to deliver.

It is completely out of bounds for any head of state to do.

That does not mean the sons of vice presidents should be able to get sinecures.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 29 2019 8:29 utc | 74

Note that former Ukrainian general prosecutor Viktor Skokin testified in Austria concerning oligarch Dmytro Firtash and that he spoke about pressure from the Obama government via Joe Biden.

We in Austria had a "Coup" against the conservative government using a secretly recorded video from 2017. the head of the Freedom Party Strache was lured into a trap using a fake "niece of an oligarch" on a finca in Ibiza. In 2017 the Social Democrats engaged the Mossad agent Tal SIlberstein as campaign adviser (who excercised complete control over the party) who w as put in jail in Israel in August. So the focus was on him and the Ibiza tapes were not used then- now a shot version of a few minutes was published via media who are members of the Soros-financed Consortium of Investigative Journalists.

Only users and alternative media asked who was the "Ibizagate" mastermind and did research on involved straw men. Today there are elections with the goal to put the Social Democrats back into power. The Freedom Party is accused in media of taking bribes concerning Ukrainian influence - via straw men of the Jewish Oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky who threatened Firtash to catch him via Asow Bataillon. Kolomoisky is behind Zelensky (who is alsow Jewish).

There are rumors that Silberstein still plays a role in the campaign of the Social Democrats; his first election campaign was in 1999 for Ehud Barak and paid by the Austria Jewish Oligarch Martin Schlaff.

Both People's Party and Freedom Party (who formed a government until "Ibizagate") have relations to the Republicans; the Social Dem's are associated with the Democrats. Former Social Dem. Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer was hired by Podesta Group to lobby for former Ukrainian government alongside with FTI Consulting and Skadden. Both Compagnies were engaged in a smear campaign against Boeing rival Airbus by Social Dem. Defense Minister Doskozil in 2016/7.

The covert fight against Airbus includes US and Israeli intelligence work f.e. against former Defense Minister Darabos who was the Social Dem.s election campaign manager in 2006 when Gusenbauer won by a margin against the People's Party. Since then Darabos is sealed off, under toital surveillance and under pressure and was eliminiated from politics.

For more Infos see

https://alexandrabader.wordpress.com/2019/09/16/coup-teil-78-ibizagate-und-die-ukraine-ii/

Posted by: Alexandra Bader | Sep 29 2019 8:42 utc | 75


ABC News seems to be ditching Hunter Biden

https://thesaker.is/abc-news-seems-to-be-ditching-hunter-biden/

Sure looks to me that the DNC will eventually throw Joe Biden under the bus.

Let’s see whom the Dems will push to the ultimate position.

Interesting times, VERY interesting times, for sure!

The Saker

Posted by: Barovsky | Sep 29 2019 8:43 utc | 76

Posted by: Alexandra Bader | Sep 29 2019 8:42 utc | 79

Look, it is ridiculous to assume that only one side in politics is corrupt and the other is not, it is a common political practice (which is Christian).

Whoever engineered the Strache video did a public service as noone forced him to make the corrupt proposals about misusing political power in there, he simply showed openly who he is.

US politicians have used foreign states internally before and the examples that come to my mind are Republican - Iran contra, the Safari club ..., or bi partisan like five eyes information, Christopher Steele was presumably a Democrat project.
It is a vile practice.

Seen from Ukraine with Trump coming to power "their" candidate lost. To switch sides would have been unwise, so they got a "new" president who copied very much Trump's road to success - a television show, oligarch backing, populism. Zelensky is completely astroturfed with no grass root organically grown political movement, just backed by Kholomoijsky.

The oligarchs out of power now in Ukraine will fight back, and they would fight back via US democrats.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 29 2019 9:01 utc | 77

somebody
That's about the way I see it. Also, lot of 'information' coming out of Ukraine. Corruption has been a way of life there since the break up of the soviet union, and I doubt any of those coming forward with information that have been in a position to know anything there can be trusted.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 29 2019 9:43 utc | 78

Dear MoA readership and b,

A wonderful article with some interesting and rather insightful commentary. Thanks all.

So, the CIA instigates this and the media play along. CIA have motive (do anything to hamper Trump and cover up their past dirty deeds). I dont see why Polosi did the impeachment. Strikes me as absolutely stupid, unless the job is to contribute to the distraction (or she being blackmailed/nudged).

I agree with some commenter above who states that this is, more than anything else, a highlight on the highly screwed up state of affairs generally. We're in a single to multipolar geopolitical transition and one should expect plenty of crazy stuff as this happens. Brexit, Boris suspending UK parliament, RussiaGoat, CIA "whistleblowing" (an oxymoron if ever there was one), etc..

Meanwhile, people are being killed by states and state funded organisations, and the powerful live under different laws than others.

But, thankfully we have b providing wonderful coverage of events and each other to read.

Peace be with you,

Some random keyboard

Posted by: poledcat | Sep 29 2019 9:58 utc | 79

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 29 2019 9:43 utc | 78

Who will confront Kiev's anti-semitism problem?"

Being from Germany I have watched this issue carefully. The violent part of Ukrainian color revolution was mainly done by the descendants of former German Nazi allies in Ukraine, cultivated by the CIA as "freedom fighters" during the times of the Soviet Union. German politicians (and media) just played along-

Most Jewish organizations kept carefully out of the issue (and indeed Ukrainian right wing organizations did being payed for protection by Kolomojsky)
arguing "we have people on both sides".

They seem to have woken up now. Because .... Trump?

By the way, corruption is a social practice that was alive and well during the times of the Soviet Union. If I have to chose between Danton and Robespierre, I will always chose Danton.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 29 2019 10:26 utc | 80

b, Thanks for laying out the facts and for your straightforward analysis. I concur.

These facts are so straight forward that it should be the case that it would be thrown out based on the abuse of the whistle-blower statute, as well as the legality concerning everything that the President asked Zelensky for.

This is not partisan, except on the democrat side. But they have become # fuck-nuts with their derangement about Trump and R U S S I A !!!

Posted by: jt | Sep 29 2019 12:21 utc | 81

There seems to be some question as to whether the actual owner of Burisma is Zlochevsky and not the ghouligarch Kolomoisky. As John Helmer points out in this article :


"The UK Serious Fraud Office (SFO) and the Central Criminal Court have reported that Nikolai Zlochevsky, ...is the controlling shareholder of the Ukrainian gas producer Burisma. So what are employees of Igor Kolomoisky, warlord of Dniepropetrovsk and controller of the Privatbank Group, doing as the shareholder representatives on the Burisma board?
.... So is Burisma their cooperative and joint venture, or is Zlochevsky Kolomoisky’s front-man,"

and

"In August 2012, a Ukrainian group calling itself the Anti-Corruption Action Centre (AntAC), reporting its research into the ownership of Ukrainian gasfields, claimed that Zlochevsky had sold out the year before...

AntAC describes itself as “a Ukrainian civil society organization, which unites experts from legal, media and civic-political sectors fighting corruption as a root cause of the key state-building problems in Ukraine.” Zlochevsky had let go of Burisma through a chain of companies called Ukrnaftoburinnya (Ukraine), Deripon Commercial Ltd. (Cyprus) and Burrard Financial Corporation (BVI). AntaAC’s reports cites Oleh Kanivets, a former chief executive of Ukrnaftoburinnya, as saying the chain ended up with Kolomoisky. “The Privat Group is the immediate owner. This company was founded by Mykola Zlochevsky some time ago, but he later sold his shares to the Privat Group.”


The article makes a plausible case for tracing ownership to Privat Group and Kolomoisky. If true, it would add another dimension to the Biden/Burisma scandal as Kolomoisky is now effectively the 'godfather' of the Ukraine.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Sep 29 2019 12:29 utc | 82

Blue Dotterel @67:
Barovsky @71:
somebody @various:

Thank you, that clarifies a lot of questions about the on-going rape of Ukraine and the permanent dog-and-pony show we have been watching to distract us from the real dispute and the real reasons for events, which are too sordid for us delicate flowers in the underclasses to know about. Criminals run the government in most places, perhaps there are some exceptions, small ones.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 29 2019 12:37 utc | 83

Don Wills--
https://twitter.com/ElmagnotheFinn/status/1178289990519754752

Posted by: Lawrence Magnuson | Sep 29 2019 12:48 utc | 84

A copy of a sworn affidavit dated Sept 4, 2019 by the Ukrainian prosecutor whose dismissal Biden demanded on threat of withholding $1B, is embedded here which states (end page 4- start page 5) that Poroshenko was emphatic he close the Burisma case because Biden was demanding it. https://www.stalkerzone.org/former-ukrainian-prosecutor-general-viktor-shokin-testifies-against-joe-biden/

Posted by: Ludwig | Sep 29 2019 12:53 utc | 85

If VP Biden or President Trump wanted Ukraine state neo-Nazification stopped any time since 2014, all either had to do was call Kyiv & threaten to pull aid. But Ukraine Nazis align with DC’s geostrategic purposes, so we nurture them instead.

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1178043869042216961

"In September 2018, then chairman of Ukraine parliament Andrey Parubiy stated on national TV that Adolf Hitler had been a real fan of direct democracy and 'actively carried it out.'" Another US media fail—blackout on Ukraine's Nazi parliament speaker

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1178049085888241664

Posted by: Sasha | Sep 29 2019 12:59 utc | 86

Well, I would like to add another dimension into all of this. Deep state really wants a war with Iran and it seems that the only one against it, is Trump. Not out of the goodness of his heart but because it will hurt his reelection chances.

All that impeachment story can add some leverage against him.

"You better strike Iran Mr President or some Republican senators may play along with their Democrat buddies and we can have Mr Vice President do the work instead of you."

Time will tell.

Posted by: Erlindur | Sep 29 2019 13:05 utc | 87

Another gem from the Saker:

https://thesaker.is/the-trump-campaign-releases-an-extremely-effective-campaign-ad/

Posted by: Barovsky | Sep 29 2019 13:14 utc | 88


Posted by: Erlindur | Sep 29 2019 13:05 utc | 85

Wanting a war and actually starting one is a whole other ball game! Rumours of a (direct) attack on Iran have been going on for decades, and I've never believed it. In any case, sanctions are war by another name.

Posted by: Barovsky | Sep 29 2019 13:18 utc | 89

A person who would foist "Trump University" on the world SHOULD NOT be president. He's a compulsive liar and his offenses against norms of social decency are too numerous to list here. He's an unindicted criminal. Can we agree on that b? Or do you think this depravity of character is irrelevant or just more fake news?

You are wrong to defend this son of a bitch because he has voiced support for Russia. I am a believer in a multipolar world espoused by Putin and others who desire that the world should go forward in peace, more or less, but Looney Trump is not. He's "America First". While it may be true that he is being persecuted by his "intelligence" agencies, the "deep state" or however you care to characterize the evil bastards behind the scenes, this persecution is not from any too friendly attitude to Russia. It stems from the fact that he's been in bed with Russian criminals for many years. He is owned by Russia and otherwise he would be what he actually is under all the crap: broke and a failure. He has not managed the fortune his father gave him and he is doing the same to this country.

"Russiagate" is a distraction. Russia did and continues to interfere in our elections just as the US interferes in the elections in every other nation it deems of interest. That is business-as-usual. The electoral system in this country is rigged. There is nothing free or fair about it. The results cannot be audited so why would anyone believe that Trump-hole was legitimately elected? He does not represent the beliefs of the majority of voters. Russiagate is also designed to prevent a serious analysis of our electoral system. The last thing the bastards in the shadows want is a true account of the beliefs of the majority of Americans.

It is perfectly in character that Trump should use whatever technique of coercion at his disposal to get what he wants. He has no principled beliefs whatsoever. For you to engage in this tortured defense of his behavior is wrong headed. If one can pin a tail on this donkey, do it, and thank sweet jesus for the opportunity.

Your analysis of the Yemeni comeuppance over the Saudi slimeballs was brilliant. You are wrong in this case however, not to mention boring me to death!

Posted by: jadan | Sep 29 2019 13:22 utc | 90

Posted by: Mark Warner | Sep 28 2019 23:15 utc | 30

Perhaps I pasted from another window. Too bad. Nevertheless, it seems that Hunter scored some notable trophies during his married years. A paste:

Inside Hunter Biden's Complicated Relationships With The Women In His Life
REFINERY29 EDITORS
JULY 2, 2019, 1:50 PM
PHOTO: PAUL MORIGI/WIREIMAGE/GETTY IMAGES.
Hunter Biden and Dr. Jill Biden
Former Vice President Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden is the subject of a lengthy New Yorker profile in which he opens up about his history with addiction and substance abuse, his tumultuous personal life, and his highly scrutinized business dealings.
"Look, everybody faces pain," Hunter, an accomplished lawyer, told The New Yorker. "Everybody has trauma. There’s addiction in every family. I was in that darkness. I was in that tunnel — it’s a never-ending tunnel. You don’t get rid of it. You figure out how to deal with it."
In the interview, the 49-year-old touched on his two decade-long marriage to Kathleen Biden; his shocking relationship with Hallie Biden, wife of his late brother Beau; his new marriage to South African filmmaker Melissa Cohen; and much more.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 29 2019 13:59 utc | 91

I suppose that Biden/CIA/Burisma is involved against Nord Stream 2. This is the latest per google:

Reuters, Jul 31:
Senate panel backs Nord Stream 2 pipeline sanctions bill

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. Senate committee passed a bill on Wednesday to slap sanctions on companies and individuals involved in building the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia to Germany that the Trump administration says would strengthen Moscow’s economic grip on Europe. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2019 14:08 utc | 92

Seconding jadan @ 88

It is perfectly in character that Trump should use whatever technique of coercion at his disposal to get what he wants. He has no principled beliefs whatsoever. For you to engage in this tortured defense of his behavior is wrong headed. If one can pin a tail on this donkey, do it, and thank sweet jesus for the opportunity.

You probably shouldn't have mentioned "donkey" and "tail" however, for now you will stand j'accuse of being me, a CIA-backed troll or wtf nonsense the nonsensical repeat ad nauseum, over and over and over again my friend in substitution for reasoned debate.

These last few whistle blower diaries are so far off the mark it's funny, especially when including the sycophancy also oozing down the comment threads. Great laughs. Thanks everyone.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 29 2019 14:12 utc | 93

b

The Democrats say that it is unfair that Trump is asking the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden who currently leads in the Democrats' primary. They claim that he wants the material only to smear Biden.

Not "unfair", but "unconstitutional."

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 29 2019 14:13 utc | 94

@ 92
Thinking about sanctions on Russia for Nord Stream 2, perhaps anything benefiting Burisma might be discouraged given the current publicity.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2019 14:21 utc | 95

"A person who would foist "Trump University" on the world SHOULD NOT be president. He's a compulsive liar and his offenses against norms of social decency are too numerous to list here. He's an unindicted criminal. Can we agree on that b? Or do you think this depravity of character is irrelevant or just more fake news?

You are wrong to defend this son of a bitch because he has voiced support for Russia."
jadan | Sep 29 2019 13:22 utc

One can judge a person or an act of a person, and it is important to make a distinction. Conflating the two is a favorite trick of the most repulsive and hypocritical propaganda. Recall that not only Saddam Hussein could not be believed that Iraq has no WMDs as HE WAS A BAD PERSON, he was a super bad person so anyone believing him was a bad person. Now this role is assigned to Putin, Assad and, collectively, "Iranian mullahs".

Digging dirt on Trump clique may be a noble act, but manufacturing it, not so much. Handwritten notes that put Manafort in bad light were quite suspiciously provided by Ukrainians. It seems improbable that it was not prompted by some powers in USA. From what I read, CrowdStrike is a Ukrainian outfit that distributed false statements on "Russian hacking", and an investigation of that may be in global public interests. I must admit that I do not see how the much discussed phone call constitutes an offense.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 29 2019 14:24 utc | 96

@ dt 94
Not "unfair", but "unconstitutional."
What's unconstitutional about the president getting information? Let's stick to truth.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2019 14:24 utc | 97

Don Bacon @92:

I suppose that Biden/CIA/Burisma is involved against Nord Stream 2.

Trump and Zelensky are also very much against NordStream 2.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 29 2019 14:28 utc | 98

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 28 2019 22:24 utc | 23

On a wider topic, complains about Poroshenko government not doing enough about corruption (or too much, if you change perspective) did not cease to the very end. It makes me wonder what is the mechanism of alerting "concerned Western governments and financial organization" about insufficient investigations. I conjecture that intelligence agencies and sock puppet NGOs ("Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Action Center, told the Washington Post...") may play a role, and what is easiest to do is to check what political connections were updated, and if so, how convincingly.

I guess it is "investor activism". Mind you, if they want Western investment they would need to curb corruption. I am not sure they want to.

Main investor in Ukraine seems to be Russia. And they are certainly unworried by corruption.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 29 2019 14:28 utc | 99

The MSM, especially CNN and MSNBC, has been shoveling dirt on Trump since he won the election in 2016, including the fake dossier, but Trump looking for dirt on his principal opponent in 2020 is wrong? . . .Give me a break. . . .As Harry Truman famously said: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." And Truman had more than his share of opponent heat.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 29 2019 14:37 utc | 100

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