Violent Protests In Hong Kong Reach Their Last Stage
The riots in Hong Kong are about to end.
The protests, as originally started in June, were against a law that would have allowed criminal extraditions to Taiwan, Macao and mainland China. The law was retracted and the large protests have since died down. What is left are a few thousand students who, as advertised in a New York Times op-ed, intentionally seek to provoke the police with "marginal violence":
Such actions are a way to make noise and gain attention. And if they prompt the police to respond with unnecessary force, as happened on June 12, then the public will feel disapproval and disgust for the authorities. The protesters should thoughtfully escalate nonviolence, maybe even resort to mild force, to push the government to the edge. That was the goal of many people who surrounded and barricaded police headquarters for hours on June 21.
The protesters now use the same violent methods that were used in the Maidan protests in the Ukraine. The U.S. seems to hope that China will intervene and create a second Tianamen scene. That U.S. color revolution attempt failed but was an excellent instrument to demonize China. A repeat in Hong Kong would allow the U.S. to declare a "clash of civilization" and increase 'western' hostility against China. But while China is prepared to intervene it is unlikely to do the U.S. that favor. Its government expressed confidence that the local authorities will be able to handle the issue.
There are rumors that some Hong Kong oligarchs were originally behind the protests to prevent their extradition for shady deals they made in China. There may be some truth to that. China's president Xi Jingpin is waging a fierce campaign against corruption and Hong Kong is a target rich environment for fighting that crime.
The former British colony is ruled by a handful of oligarchs who have monopolies in the housing, electricity, trade and transport markets:
The book to read is Land and the Ruling Class in Hong Kong (2010) by Alice Poon, which explains how the lack of competition law created outrageous wealth for the tycoons. It’s a complex subject but the key point is that in Hong Kong all land is leasehold and ultimately owned by the government, which uses it as a means of raising revenue. This goes back to the days of empire when British policy required colonies to be self-funding. The system kept taxes down and attracted business – but one side-effect was that it gave the government an interest in rationing land to keep it expensive. That didn’t matter much when the local economy comprised a few traders but, in the modern technological world of 2012, it puts the government at odds with every person and business wanting affordable space. Indeed, it induces the government to distort and damage the economy, and indeed society.This system paved the way for a handful of Hong Kong families to become unimaginably wealthy by getting their hands on cheap land back in the days before the city started to boom.
Rents and apartment prices in Hong Kong are high. People from the mainland who buy up apartments with probably illegally gained money only increase the scarcity. This is one reason why the Cantonese speaking Hong Kong protesters spray slurs against the Mandarin speaking people from the mainland. The people in Hong Kong also grieve over their declining importance. Hong Kong lost its once important economical position. In 1993 Hong Kong's share of China's GDP was 27%. It is now less than a tenths of that and the city is now more or less irrelevant to mainland China.
Democracy in Hong Kong is restricted to further the interests of the oligarchs:
In the 70-seat legislature, only half of the members are directly elected. The other half are selected by special interest groups—such as the financial and real estate professions—meaning that the body tends to be controlled by a mostly pro-Beijing business elite rather than by voters. The city’s Beijing-backed leader, Chief Executive Carrie Lam, likewise lacks a popular mandate.
The current protests are surely not an incentive to remove those restrictions or to invest in Hong Kong. They are counter productive.
While the protests against the extradition bill may have been backed by some tycoons, it is obvious that there is also a large U.S. government influence behind them. It is the U.S., not some oligarchs, which is behind the current rioting phase.
In 1992 Congress adopted the United States–Hong Kong Policy Act which mandates U.S. government 'pro-democracy' policies in Hong Kong. Some Senators and lobbyists now push for a Support Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act which would intensify the interference. Before the June protests started Secretary of State (and former CIA head) Mike Pompeo met with the Hong Kong 'pro-democracy' leader Martin Lee and later with 'pro-democracy' media tycoon Jimmy Lai. The National Endowment for Democracy finances several of the groups behind the protests.
Such interference is against Hong Kong's Basic Law:
The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall enact laws on its own to prohibit any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the Central People's Government, or theft of state secrets, to prohibit foreign political organizations or bodies from conducting political activities in the Region, and to prohibit political organizations or bodies of the Region from establishing ties with foreign political organizations or bodies.
Despite that law the U.S. National Endowment of Democracy spends millions on organizations in Hong Kong:
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The political officer of the U.S. consulate in Hong Kong, the largest in the world, meets with notorious rabble-rousers like Yoshua Wong.
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That some protesters sing the U.S. national anthem and wave U.S. flags (vid) or fire U.S. made grenade launchers (vid) will not motivate patriotic locals to join them. The protesters also fly Pepe the frog flags and use that rightwing fringe symbol on their pamphlets and flyers. It rather fits that Hillary Clinton and Dominic Raab support them.
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To use the British colonial flag to call for Chinese 'colonists' to leave requires some brain twisting.
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The rioters equipment comes from "strangers" who create depots of gas masks, helmets, laser pointers etc, that trusted demonstrators then distribute to their fellows. Mysteriously hundreds of subway tickets appear which are handed out for free to the junior university students who, during their current holidays, make up the mass of the violent black block that attacks the police.
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The rightwing Hong Kong Confederation of Trade Unions has long been financed by U.S. regime change organizations. That it represents the airport workers may be the reason why the protests recently escalated there. The last three days protesters blocked the Hong Kong airport and violently hindered people from departing on their booked flights.
Travelers who spoke Mandarin were attacked. The scene became extremely ugly when a journalist from the Chinese Global Times was beaten until he fainted. Protesters claimed that he was with the police and hindered paramedics from reaching and caring for the man. Only when police intervened were the first-aiders able to remove the unconscious person. One of the rioters who beat the man had a U.S. flag in his hand (vid). When the stretcher was rolled out of the airport another protester with a U.S. flag on a pole ran after it and beat the patient (vid).
James Griffith, a CNN International producer, was on the scene.
𝕛𝕒𝕞𝕖𝕤 𝕘𝕣𝕚𝕗𝕗𝕚𝕥𝕙𝕤 @jgriffiths - 14:24 UTC · Aug 13, 2019Ugly confrontation between a huge crowd of protesters and a man they believe is an undercover cop has been ongoing for over an hour now. Have zip tied the man’s hands and fighting over whether to move him. He’s collapsed twice.
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Its all so ugly and angry and nihilistic. Asked kids who said he was faking what if he wasn’t, they said who cares. Asked what if he dies, who cares. Asked them what they think will happen if he is a cop and he dies, “so they shutdown HK? Good! We are ready for it, we want it.”
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This was a movement famous for clearing thousands of people out of the way on the streets to let an ambulance through, now blocking a stretcher while a handful of more reasonable people in tears try to reason with them.
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Most surreal moments have been people (seeing press vest) come up to “explain” to me things they’re clearly getting from Telegram, claiming without evidence the guy is 100% a cop because someone Googled him, or that he had weapons (different guy) or that he was faking fainting.
Read Griffiths whole thread here. There are also plenty of videos from the scene that document the ghastly behavior.
Later Griffiths further explained:
𝕛𝕒𝕞𝕖𝕤 𝕘𝕣𝕚𝕗𝕗𝕚𝕥𝕙𝕤 @jgriffiths - 5:44 UTC · Aug 14, 2019(1) man found with numchuk like weapon, released after brief confrontation and showing ID.
(2) man accused of being undercover cop, beaten and restrained with zip ties. Paramedic reached him to give him oxygen and aid after he passed out. evacuated to ambulance after 4-5 hours.
(3) man later confirmed to be Global Times reporter. Briefly restrained and then released after first aiders intervened.
Another 'western' journalist expressed a rather wretched understanding of freedom of the press:
Melissa Chan @melissakchan - 20:40 UTC · Aug 13, 2019What has happened with the man detained and physically abused by some protesters at the Hong Kong airport is appalling and must stop now. But he works for The Global Times, a propaganda arm of the Chinese state, and he is not a journalist and should not be called that.
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Melissa Chan worked for Al Jazeerah, the propaganda arm of the emir of Qatar. She now works for DW, the propaganda arm of the German government. By her own criterion she is neither a journalist nor should she be called one.
The airport now received a court order that allows it to restrict further protests.
The police still holds back as much as it can. In most other countries this scene, in which a beaten policeman briefly pulls his gun, would have ended deadly.
Last month the government in Hong Kong brought a former top officer out of retirement to handle the protests. There have since been some changes in police tactics. Where previously protestors got away with building barricades and throwing stones they now get arrested and end up in jail. Undercover policemen snatched some riot leaders off the streets.
Local people increasingly turn against the rioters. Those who depend on tourism have good reason to call for a crack down on them. The violent behavior of the protesters gives the police more public leeway for harsh responses. There are many additional methods that can be used. The police refrained so far from encircling and mass arresting rioters, a tactic that is used in many other countries. Its water cannon vehicles were shown off but not put into action. The police has not yet cracked down on the communication with "strangers" even though it is likely to listen to some of it. This end phase will soon come.
There is also an automatic end date for the riots. On September 2 the new semester begins and the students will turn back to studies. The rioters will lose their critical mass. The whole issue will end up as another failure without the U.S. achieving any of its aims.
Mainland Chinese who view the chaos in Hong Kong in all its glory will now reject any talk of 'pro-democracy'.
Meanwhile China intensifies its belt and road initiative and Trump loses his trade war:
Responding to pressure from businesses and growing fears that a trade war is threatening the U.S. economy, the Trump administration is delaying most of the import taxes it planned to impose on Chinese goods and is dropping others altogether.The administration says it still plans to proceed with 10% tariffs on about $300 billion in Chinese imports [...]
But under pressure from retailers and other businesses, President Donald Trump’s trade office said it would delay until Dec. 15 the tariffs on nearly 60% of the imports that had been set to absorb the new taxes starting Sept. 1. Among the products that will benefit from the 3½-month reprieve are such popular consumer goods as cellphones, laptops, video game consoles, some toys, computer monitors, shoes and clothing.
The administration is also removing other items from the tariff list entirely, based on what it called “health, safety, national security and other factors.”
Russia's agriculture thrives on sales to China while U.S. farmers lose market share. The anti-Chinese part of Trump's MAGA has yet to achieve any success.
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« previous pagePosted by: denk | Aug 16 2019 17:20 utc | 203
You don't need to try and educate me on the history of the Anglo-Zionist empire, I live in the belly of the beast even served in the imperial legions for awhile but not for the reasons you might think. Not every Roman soldier was a lover of the Empire.
What I learned is my hatred and disgust for authoritarianism . I have no love for the AZ empire but I am not a blind to the fact this authoritarianism exist in all Empires. And as I said before the Big 3 feign war and cooperate at the same time because the MIC you are talking about is a global thing not bogged down with trite notions of nationalism and patriotism(that is just window dressing). These are control mechanisms for the masses. All I ask is people to broaden their perspectives and stop thinking that the grass is greener in one authoritarian patch than on another.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 17:32 utc | 202
Posted by: HW | Aug 16 2019 17:22 utc | 204
See my post at 202
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 17:34 utc | 203
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/466639-kashmir-hong-kong-british-colonialism/
Posted by: LiberalChains | Aug 16 2019 17:50 utc | 204
o 205
Dont evade the question.
YOu keep bleating about corruption in
China, thats their internal affair,
let them deal with it.
Corruption in fukus, in the form of
blood for oil, MIC ETC, thats the
greatest threat to world peace.
You and your ilks are trying to
split the already feeble antiwar
dissidents.
Posted by: denk | Aug 16 2019 18:04 utc | 205
Hong Kong governs itself, it isn't China that made this mess. Still, if these kids had resisted their London overlords as fiercely as their "Beijing" overlords, they wouldn't be where they are today.
Posted by: LiberalChains | Aug 16 2019 18:06 utc | 206
All I ask is people to broaden their perspectives and stop thinking that the grass is greener in one authoritarian patch than on another.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 17:32 utc
We know and we have no such illusion over there. We only accept that we would never know better than the Chinese themselves which is why we condemn obvious western interference in HK and we distrust western MSM talking point. That make sense to you ?
We did not say there are no corruption or nepotism in China but it is a fact that their governance have advanced their standard of living, a fact that has disproved many of western msm view about them.
Whether there's a tyranny over there it's up to Chinese themselves to determine what's good for them.
Lastly for conducting vandalism and violence with support from hostile foreign government i can only say they're well deserved. The condemnation are rightly placed.
Posted by: HW | Aug 16 2019 18:09 utc | 207
O205
* I have no love for the AZ empire *
funny tho,
the trio of O, asspnaz, 'empire watcher' [sic] never show up in any
antiwar thread, but the moment there's a thread on China, hey presto, all come out of the woodwork to tell us 'China is just as bad if not worse than fukus'
hehehhe
Posted by: denk | Aug 16 2019 18:09 utc | 208
Suspected masterminds behind Hong Kong violent protests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvB5UTbSdpE&t=15s
Beijing Review: National Endowment for Democracy (NED) in Hong Kong
(Legal origin of NED: U.S. Congress resolution H.R. 2915)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKXvLtX7tvs&feature=youtu.be
HK Police, we support you! (video)
http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201908/15/WS5d54ab23a310cf3e35565d31.html
Posted by: rolf | Aug 16 2019 18:38 utc | 209
We did not say there are no corruption or nepotism in China but it is a fact that their governance have advanced their standard of living, a fact that has disproved many of western msm view about them.
Whether there's a tyranny over there it's up to Chinese themselves to determine what's good for them.
Posted by: HW | Aug 16 2019 18:09 utc | 210
With a lot of help from technology transfers from the West throughout the 1980's and 90s
"Whether there's a tyranny over there it's up to Chinese themselves to determine what's good for them."
Yet you have the gall to lay judgment on the protest by Hong Kong youth as just being contrived by Western powers, sure whatever hypocrite.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 18:55 utc | 210
Posted by: denk | Aug 16 2019 18:09 utc | 211
Your delusions of grandeur are quite comical. Yep we are state department troll trying to stifle you 'dung' I mean 'denk'. We got our top guys really working hard to shut MOA down, I mean common the twitter account has 15k followers. We are going to need our top folks to shutdown this megaphone of dissent.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 19:00 utc | 211
Posted by: rolf | Aug 16 2019 18:38 utc | 212
Yea propaganda only exist in the West, these sources you cite would never have an agenda of their own or their version of a narrative to push.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 19:08 utc | 212
Posted by: rolf | Aug 16 2019 18:38 utc | 212
Triads linked to violent pro-China gangs as Hong Kong protests enter dangerous new phase
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/triads-linked-to-violent-pro-china-gangs-as-hong-kong-protests-enter-dangerous-new-phase-20190722-p529ln.html
Of course this could never be true, dogma states that any western media source is always lying about China.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 19:13 utc | 213
I mean common on the Chinese government would never use 'agent provocateurs' to delegitimize a protest movement, its a French term, only the Western powers do such things.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 19:16 utc | 214
With a lot of help from technology transfers from the West throughout the 1980's and 90s
"Whether there's a tyranny over there it's up to Chinese themselves to determine what's good for them."
Yet you have the gall to lay judgment on the protest by Hong Kong youth as just being contrived by Western powers, sure whatever hypocrite.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 18:55 utc
But it's a fact in this case. Had they not bringing US and UK flags along with the evidence of US ambassadors employees meeting with their leader they'd be a legitimate movement. It's seems you failed to condemn the leader that misled their movement ? It seems you failed to condemn the US that have hijacked the movement for their own purpose ?
Posted by: HW | Aug 16 2019 19:17 utc | 215
Posted by: HW | Aug 16 2019 19:17 utc | 218
Here the thing about protest sparky, not everyone is on the same page on everything. Just because some folks show up with those flags doesn't mean everyone in the protest endorses that.
Here is a nice home grow example for you, as much as the US media was trying to push DeRay Mckesson as the leader of the "Black Lives Matter" movement he never was.
McKesson's Colbert Appearance is the Direction Imperialism Wants for the Black Lives Matter Movement
https://www.blackagendareport.com/deray_mckesson_colbert_show
The BLM movement continues today in the form of attempts at community control and accountability of local police forces.
Now back to Hong Kong go look at the images of the crowds of protestors
https://www.google.com/search?q=hong+kong+protestors&safe=off&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=CLd0P0kzwfn1QM%253A%252CidNqPbOJi6_ayM%252C%252Fg%252F11h7nbvxvj&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQojwTSW3_90sOhHvs21ZKEmhjDSw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3r52skIjkAhUFEawKHZPCBocQ_B0wI3oECAkQAw#imgrc=1NzRb2oRUnc81M:&vet=1
how many of those flags you actually see?
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 19:31 utc | 216
Well finally indentified who is behind Hong Kong "colour revolution", amongst them the old gatekeeper of former British power in HK, mafia dons, and those whose support is in the single cyphers in the opposition ( notice it is the same as in Russia, btw...), in summary, those who lost power and possibility to loot after the take over of the current government, and those who have no possibility to grab power through democratic elections. These are the people who fear most the extradition law, not only out of mafiosi activities, but also out of their bovious high treason and conspiracy with foreign powers to overthrown legitimate governemnt in HK and casue turmoil in China.
All met Trump cabinet high representatives in the US, concretely "staredown!, Pence, and #Iamgoingtoeateverything, Pompeo, months before the riots started. as thye did as well in the past when other riots started.
As the "informative" video is illustrating, none of their children have taken part in the riots promoted from the US ( warning to those with vocation of martyrs...), here all of them catched with their hands in the masse....
"Gang of 4": Who is misleading the young in #HongKong
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 16 2019 19:34 utc | 217
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 16 2019 19:34 utc | 220
Lol gain CGTN would never have their version of a narrative to push.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 19:37 utc | 218
Its´astonishing how this self-identified troll from USAF,"O", has been allowed to hijack the whole thread and flood the comments section repeating the same nonsense during all these days and so many people dándole cancha, but we can not see "milomilo" Yianopoulos calling the attention to any of them for that, as he did with me, who, for that matter, never interacted with this obvious troll resident here since weeks ago ( most probably in preparation for the HK riots, as it was in the US were all this was planned months ago, it seems that he went positioning himself here in advance for this moment )...
About spying, of course, everybody spies..what is new? Another nonsense, claim and then discuss through several posts so as to bury whatever new interesting information is coming, that the Chinese spy...as if the US would not have bugged humanity as a whole except when it can not do it, like happens with us, users of Huawei...
"An army without spies, is like a man without eyes and without ears". Sun Tzu
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 16 2019 19:47 utc | 219
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 16 2019 19:47 utc | 222
I am sorry I couldn't just pick one.
https://tenor.com/search/u-mad-bro-gifs
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 19:56 utc | 220
It´s highly likelymthat the representatives of exchange in Hong Kong will sue the organizers of these riots, amongst them the US WH, who have caused probably irreparable loses to HK´s economic activity, it seems they are sending requests and data to UN for this end...
Economist: Relief measures will help, but HK may still head for recession
#HongKong Legal Exchange Foundation to ask UN to probe U.S. involvement in riots
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 16 2019 20:00 utc | 221
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 19:31 utc | 219
Sure those crowds are the one about non extradition bill.
Let's just agree on non interference. Can we agree on non interference ? Whatever happened there is HK business.
Posted by: HW | Aug 16 2019 20:02 utc | 222
Meanwhile, and when things start going really ugly, as the violence increases, risking dead victims, and the authorities start getting more determined to stop this mayhem, one of the leaders of the riots has fled to Yale, leaving behind the HK terrorists to the jail....
How interesting!
https://twitter.com/4WFaAN4d8zQ3GWW/status/1162326600265818112
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 16 2019 20:10 utc | 223
"Let's just agree on non interference. Can we agree on non interference ? Whatever happened there is HK business."
Posted by: HW | Aug 16 2019 20:02 utc | 225
Of course we can agree on that, as I have said many times on this thread just because elements have been hi-jacked by both the Anglo-Zionist and Chinese it shouldn't delegitimize those who honestly want self-governance and self- determination. To be honest alot of the Hong Kong protest reminds of the Hawaiian independence movement and just like the folks in Hawaii depending on who you talk to you get reactions ranging from a 'good' thing, 'bad' thing and indiffierent and that is just among Native Hawaiians.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 20:13 utc | 224
More about the felon who calls for riotting and violence in HK...from the US....
https://twitter.com/Liam_Stone18/status/1162172846656720896
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 16 2019 21:48 utc | 225
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 4:23 utc | 188:
Ha,good thing that "anti-corruption" campaign is working at so well. That controlled media in China(not to say it doesn't exist in the west) has nary a bad thing to say about the "The first among equals" they always tell the truth, propaganda only exist in the west.
My point was that Xi's authority is not really absolute. He probably cannot get away from eliminating his political opponents with some trumped up corruption charges, because his opponents and colleagues are as savvy and calculating as he is. They will spot the plot right away. What was your point exactly?
Posted by: difficult bird | Aug 17 2019 1:40 utc | 226
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 16 2019 16:51 utc | 200:
Of course, everybody spies on everyone else.
Another, more public example can be seen in these 2 pics:
The Chinese J31
vs.
The US F35
Are these very close similarities - basically, the main difference is the 2 engine J31 vs. 1 engine F35, likely a result of capability gap - just a coincidence?
Yes, people spy on each other. See ECHELON. That's why people should stop whining and blame themselves when their secret is stolen.
I would consider a two-engine jet fight significantly different from a single engine one, despite some superficial semblance. J31(?) is an improved version of the flying-pig F-31. It will be everything the F-31 should be.
Posted by: difficult bird | Aug 17 2019 2:02 utc | 227
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 19:16 utc | 217:
I mean common on the Chinese government would never use 'agent provocateurs' to delegitimize a protest movement, its a French term, only the Western powers do such things.
The difference is that China does not have a track record of such activity and false flag operations, while the U.S. and the West do, such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Iraq WMD, Libya army atrocities, Syria gas attacks, Ukraine Maiden snipers.
Posted by: difficult bird | Aug 17 2019 2:29 utc | 228
No need for PLA, we can handle crisis: HK police
Posted by: difficult bird | Aug 17 2019 2:39 utc | 229
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 16 2019 16:51 utc | 200
If you look at all the design of fighter jets, they are quite similar for specific purpose because everyone used same wind tunnel and tonnes of experimental data to derive the most optimize design for serving certain desired purpose.
Of course later comer can study others external design to save much time. But its all under the skin that count. You can't just copy. Even you have the millions source code is useless. You need to design from scratch pairing h/w & s/w, weapon system, radars, etc.
Did J20 look like F22 or F35 or any US fighter? Absolutely no, its a largest size heavy stealth with canard, design specifically to penetrate deeply into enemy air defense, and suppress them for other fighter bombers to act safely. It has passive quantum radar of longest range, ie it can detect F22 & F35 well before they could detect it. Even if F35 will to switch on its active rada to lost stealth, its range can't compete. J20 also designed for targeting F35 support of refilling fuel jet & reconnaissance jet.
F35 is a flawed single engine design with a big belly for VTOL rotary fan. It can't fly far,can't fight, can't fly fast, no air superiority, can't turn, carry few weapons, poor radar ability requiring ground datalink and reconnaissance jet to see. Its a Swiss knife to serve everything of Navy VTOL & Air Force but achieve nothing.
Whereas FC31 is China export version to compete directly with F35 but without all its flaw. Then why bother to change its exterior design that is already optimized for its multirole purpose. Important is everyone can now buy a more superior jet of double engines without known flaw, all at half the price of F35. It will kill all US allies using F35.
Chinese designed everything for specific purpose. USM want something that must be able to compete in F1 race, but also Lehman 24hrs endurance race, add a 4WD all terrain race, and not to forget for IKEA sofar shopping. There you get a junk F35.
Posted by: Edison | Aug 17 2019 3:17 utc | 230
Thanks Edison.
Can you tell us more about the J20, is that a Chinese fighter?
You said it is designed to "penetrate deeply into enemy air defense, and suppress them for other fighter bombers to act safely".
You have some expertise about jets, I would be grateful if you could explain more.
We always want to learn from experts.
Posted by: jonku | Aug 17 2019 6:35 utc | 231
assO
You accuse China of 'terrorism',
'malicious hack into US vital utility'
no less.
Employing agent provocateurs in FF op.
YOu better have evidence to back up
such serious accusations or else....
Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2019 15:25 utc | 232
assO you fucking idiot,
Rolf posted a video which manage to prove
NED /CIA/state dept mastermind of HK color rev
in 2014, 2019 in under 4 min.
Yet you dismiss it as mere 'propaganda'.
Then you have the cheek to post a link
accusing China of 'suspected' cyber terrorism ,
without zero evidence. !
If it quacks like a SP, smells like a SP,
and farts like a SP....
Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2019 17:01 utc | 233
O
Back up your claim about...
China using agent provocateurs in FF,
or else take it back and shove it up
your assO
Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2019 17:07 utc | 235
c1ue 200
IM not interested in your pov,
Show me the smoking gun.
Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2019 17:10 utc | 236
IMagine....
fukus 'diplomat' caught redhanded with HK 'freedom
fighters',
State dept bitch..
'stirring shit is our diplomats' day job'
the Chinese 'thuggish regime' is harrassing our
diplomats for merely doing their duty,
Now, ...
The sob in chief, aka the prez of the unitedstate.
with a smirk on his face....
'For the life of me, I can't explain why critics
would associate Washington with Hong Kong's unrest ?'
Warning...
'The CCP has better think twice about 'invading' HK,
there'd be serious consequences'
Forchrissake,
Pray tell......
How does it really feel to be 'ruled' by a regime
of shameless sobs and bitches ?????
Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2019 18:39 utc | 237
@denk #239
In general, a lot of the reports by cyber security firms are not reliable.
However, this one is: the very first APT report (Advanced Persistent Threat)
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 17 2019 20:49 utc | 238
People unmasked by the "HK color revolution"...if still was needed...
*Catalonia independentists:
The representatives of the Generalitat ( Catalonia autonomous government ) come out in defense of the "right of self-determination" of Hong Kong, when a few years ago they denied that same right to Crimea and Donbas. With revolutionaries like these, NATO can sleep very quietly.In the news: "Puigdemont demands that China release the "political prisoners" of Hong Kong"
https://twitter.com/andrei_kononov/status/1161959055772016640
*The Greenbrownies...
Do you know who is the most stubborn German party in its strategy of harassment and demolition against China? Yes, indeed, the greenbrownies of Die Grünen. Margarete Bause, leader of the Green Party in Bavaria, has repeatedly called for combating "human rights abuses in China."Bause is an old anti-China propagandist. In 2009, she was invited by the Uygur World Congress (Chinese secessionist ethnicity) to a conference in Munich. The UWC has close ties with the US. Bause has not ceased, since then, to denounce "human rights violations in China"
The anti-Chinese wanderings of the witch Bause continued in 2014 when on a visit to China with a delegation from the Bavarian state parliament, Bause secretly met with the "dissident" artist Ai Weiwei and then published photos of the meeting. Bause violated China's sovereignty
German greenbrownies have a long history of being agents of imperialism (they are the right eye of George Soros in Germany). When in 1983, Erich Honecker received a delegation from the Greens in the GDR they took advantage of the visit to introduce propaganda against the GDR
https://twitter.com/berlinconfidenc/status/1161989738632503298
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 17 2019 23:11 utc | 239
A rap has been made about the events....
https://twitter.com/Liam_Stone18/status/1162641895018729473
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 17 2019 23:20 utc | 240
Below is a link to a relevant Xinhuanet posting
Over 470,000 people in Hong Kong say "no" to violence
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2019 4:05 utc | 241
Do you remember that I found strange that "journalists" were always involved in the melees involving HK´s "peaceful demonstrators" trying to disarm and beat HK´s police, and because of that I guessed they would have a superb travel insurance?
Well, here they are, the "journalists"...( of course, enjoying the same insurance company, "US Consulate General", than the well payed riotters )trying to magnify the tinny support for US intervention from the riotters who, it is now known, are being paid around 500-2500$ the "performance"...depending on the role...I doubt with those ciphers they will go to university at 1st September, nor will try any job to make a living...
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1162926722066481153
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 12:03 utc | 242
As a proof that all these constructs like "Proud Boys" and "Patriot Prayer" are US Trump´s administration´s creations....
Chinese Communist regime oppressing far right Patriot Prayer founder Joey Gibson😂Have you blamed China today?
PS Joey was in HK protest last month. He hates Antifa but loves Hong Kong protesters because they love freedom and Murica.
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1162920309571252225
How this idel people manage to travel to HK?
Well, no need to scratch your head, with the same air line and "insurance company" that the "reporters" in the melee...
Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 12:09 utc | 243
c1ue 241..
Sigh,,,
Who wrote that report, whats the accusation,
whats the evidence ?
Posted by: denk | Aug 18 2019 14:37 utc | 244
I heard a murkkan bitch was detained in Moscow
for agitating the protestors.
True to form..
murikkan embassy viceroy
demand her immediate release.
Argh,
those insufferable [[[five liars]]]1
Posted by: denk | Aug 18 2019 14:47 utc | 245
Below is a new posting at Xinhuanet about how they are going to show HK how life in China can be just across the water from them
"
BEIJING, Aug. 18 (Xinhua) -- China will build the southern city of Shenzhen into a pilot demonstration area of socialism with Chinese
characteristics, a document said Sunday.
The building of the demonstration area will help deepen reform and expand opening-up comprehensively, according to the document
issued by the Communist Party of China Central Committee and the State Council.
It is also conducive to the implementation of the Guangdong-Hong Kong-Macao Greater Bay Area plan and the fulfillment of the Chinese
dream of national rejuvenation.
By 2025, Shenzhen will become one of the leading cities in the world in terms of economic strength and quality of development.
Its research and development input, industrial innovation capacity, and the quality of its public services and ecological environment will be
first-rate in the world, according to the document.
By 2035, Shenzhen will become a national model of high-quality development, as well as a hub of innovation, entrepreneurship and
creativity with international influence, the document said.
By mid-21st century, the city will become one of the top cosmopolis in the world and a global pacesetter with outstanding competitiveness,
innovative capacity and influence, according to the document.
"
Eat your heart out HK. China can let you stew in your own hubris until your ultimate collapse along with Western empire....they take the long view
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 19 2019 4:37 utc | 246
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Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 14 2019 19:25 utc | 44
Why is there a seeming reflex assumption that any foreign power other than the (potentially) independent inhabitants of Hong Kong would be adjacent to China? (The Isle of Wight seems an excellent substitutionary example under the circumstances, but I still don't see why--if the inhabitants of the Isle desired independence from England for any reason at all--it would be worth fighting to keep them.)
A better substitiute might be the Channel Islands for their financial importance or perhaps the Isle of Mann. Now imagine that the Island, (whichever one) was being racked by riots by people demanding independence, that were evidently, undisguisedly, being supplied and organised by the SFB and consider how likely it would be that the British government would just shrug its collective shoulders and say: “Yes, well, why not?”
The more territory swallowed up by a single centralized federal government means more people to be exploited (and much larger tax base to be skimmed) by the few at the top, leading to MORE pronounced income inequality:
You can't say that about China. Look at any old youtube film about pre 1949 China and compare it with the present day or read a novel set in pre 1949 China such as “Peking Picnic” by Anne Bridge or Edgar Snow's “Red Star over China” and you will see that the CPR's government has on the contrary raised an unprecedentedly large number of people out of the most awful poverty. That there is income inequality still is true but that was true also in the city states such as Venice and is less than in the USA.
Talking of which, two young men are at this moment serving 12 year jail terms, in Italy, for raising the flag of the Republic of Venice in a demo in Venice, a couple of years back.
Posted by: foolisholdman | Aug 22 2019 21:08 utc | 247
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Dingleberry I am not advocating for western intervention or the perceived virtues of the West, go read my earlier post. I am not denying elements of the Hong Kong protest have been hi-jacked by outside elements (Anglo-Zionist and mainland China) but to deny that there are endemic and organic reasons for the protest and grassroot organizing is to delegitimize those folks who are truly fighting for self determination and self governance. The alternative media space is becoming no better than the MSM in painting with these broad strokes in order to keep adherence to accepted dogma which I find is becoming quite common and caustic to actual freedom of thought.
Posted by: O | Aug 16 2019 16:21 utc
By now there's an obvious evidence that these riots are directed by foreign actor and as such nobody can really determine whether they're directed from the get go or hijacked and as such this issue is a wrong place to assert that point. This is by evidence is a foreign interference and if that's what you asserted then you should condemn it.
Here's some reminder for you.
1. The protests start from extradition law bill. They've withdrawn. The demonstration have succeeded on it's original purpose. Now what's their current objective ? What's their grief ?
2. It is HK government that are responding to the situation. It's the HK police that are mobilized. All throughout it's made of HK citizens.
3. The bulk of the protesters are made of students whom involved in vandalism and violence. Were they're make up of workers then there'd be general strike. They're not a popular movement.
Posted by: HW | Aug 16 2019 17:22 utc | 201