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August 07, 2019

Open Thread 2019-46

I got nothing ...

Posted by b on August 7, 2019 at 17:44 UTC | Permalink

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This new Jimmy Dore video is going viral reaching 480k in 24 hours.

“Tulsi Shuts Down MSNBC Host Mid-Smear”

Will it close in on the all time classic where the NYTimes “journalist” Bari Weiss was skewered and the new word smugnorant was birthed?

“NYTimes Journo Melts Down On Joe Rogan's Show”
2.5 million views

Posted by: Stever | Aug 7 2019 17:56 utc | 1

(I am a Green voter)

Have noticed a trick, in the bag of propaganda tricks, that Reuters has been using.

Reuters likes to call Trump, "Trump, without evidence".

Reuters quotes "anonymous intelligence sources" and former Team-Mueller and gives
their evidence-free and anonymous tips bold, front and center headlines.

But with Trump they are seen to qualify his quotes with "without evidence".

Here is a Reuters search and you can see the headlines yourselves.

For example:
"Trump, without offering evidence, accuses Mueller of crimes"
"Trump, without evidence, accuses Google of 'very illegal' action ahead of election"
"Trump, without evidence, says NBC altered 2017 interview on Russia"

Posted by: librul | Aug 7 2019 18:01 utc | 2

@1 and @2

Even a thread of comments only is interesting to read, here.

Posted by: Sam | Aug 7 2019 18:10 utc | 3

Whitney Webb’s 3rd article in the series. A gem of investigative journalism:

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 7 2019 18:11 utc | 4

@ 2; So, what's the offence? Trump, without a doubt, is the greatest liar ever.

"without evidence" is a kinder way of saying he's a liar, which is beyond dispute...

Posted by: ben | Aug 7 2019 18:20 utc | 5

I call BS on b saying he has nothing here....this is the best blog on the planet.....without evidence.....GRIN

Onward with WWIII

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2019 18:24 utc | 6

Food Ship to Venezuela Seized in US Blockade

Venezuela’s Vicepresident Delcy Rodriguez denounced Wednesday that a ship containing 25 thousand tonnes of Soya has been seized in the Panama Canal due to the U.S. blockade while calling on the United Nations to take action against the "serious aggression" that impede Venezuela "right to food".

"Venezuela denounces before the world that a boat that holds 25 thousand tons of Soya, for food production in our country, has been seized in the Panama Canal, due to the criminal blockade imposed by Donald Trump," the vice president said in a tweet.

"Venezuela calls on the UN to stop this serious aggression by DonaldTrump's govt against our country, which constitutes a massive violation of the human rights of the entire Venezuelan people, by attempting to impede their right to food."

In a subsequent tweet, the Venezuelan senior official explained that the owner of the vessel carrying the merchandise of food was informed by the insurance company that it was prevented from moving that cargo to Venezuela.

Posted by: no | Aug 7 2019 18:31 utc | 7

There is a growing concern in Ireland about America’s plans for a post Brexit Europe. Trump’s visit to Ireland, after he came to the UK, was laughed off as no more than a golfing break. But there may have been more. (He is welcome there not least for the employment he provides.) But it would not be strange for America to prepare for a Europe of which the UK is no longer a member - the UK has been America’s foot in the EU since it joined. So people are wondering whether America has it mind to replace the UK with Ireland as its representative to the EU, and are also beginning to wonder how long Washington would tolerate the division of Ireland.

At present, the withdrawal of the generous subsidies that Ulster receive from Westminster would make reunification an expensive luxury. But Washington could solve that problem with a stroke.

At the moment everyone is just talking insurance against contingencies. But there are some strange prospects in store!

Posted by: Montreal | Aug 7 2019 18:42 utc | 9

@7, I guess this supports the accusation that Madura is starving his own people. All he has to do is yield sovereignty by stepping down and except the US puppet and his people will receive food and medicine. Such a terrible man must be removed.

Posted by: Musburger | Aug 7 2019 18:44 utc | 10

snake @ 8 I'm getting a 404 error on that link. Got an alternate?

Posted by: juandonjuan | Aug 7 2019 18:56 utc | 11

Beau of the Fifth Column talks about White Nationalist shootings, their attempt to force the narrative towards strict gun control initiatives, and how the left should resist at all costs in order to save itself from fascism in America.

Posted by: TheBaldFox | Aug 7 2019 19:15 utc | 13

Musburger @10--

How about we flip your sentiment around to account for what ought to be Law & Order. Trump instituted the illegal blockade and sanctions, thus he is the "terrible man [that] must be removed."

Elsewhere, The Angry Arab tweets a link to a very different book about the Outlaw US Empire: How to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States. I was curious since I'm a student of the Outlaw US Empire and hadn't heard of this publication; so, I went to the link and began reading the Introduction. I found the author's approach both refreshing and fascinating; I'd viewed US History as being sectional but not in the way being portrayed, and I applauded. Eventually I stopped to come and post this comment so more might be illuminated. The following is a small excerpt:

"My point here is not to weigh forms of oppression against one another. In fact, the histories of African Americans and colonized peoples are tightly connected (and sometimes overlapping, as for the Afro-Caribbeans in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands). The racism that had pervaded the country since slavery engulfed the territories, too. Like African Americans, colonial subjects were denied the vote, deprived of the rights of full citizens, called “nigger,” subjected to dangerous medical experiments, and used as sacrificial pawns in war. They, too, had to make their way in a country where some lives mattered and others did not.

"What getting the Greater United States in view reveals is that race has been even more central to U.S. history than is usually supposed. It hasn’t just been about black and white, but about Filipino, Hawaiian, Samoan, and Chamoru (from Guam), too, among other identities. Race has not only shaped lives, it’s shaped the country itself—where the borders went, who has counted as “American.” Once you look beyond the logo map, you see a whole new set of struggles over what it means to inhabit the United States."

I'm buying the book so I can mark it up with my notations and dogear specific important pages as is my practice. No historian ever learns everything; that's why we're forever students of history--if we're honest. If you find it as intriguing as me, please don't but it from Bezos's Amazon.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2019 19:15 utc | 14

'b' "I got nothing"
Charles Tatum: FILM 'Ace in the hole'[1951]
I can handle big news and little news. And if there's no news, I'll go out and bite a dog.

Posted by: Harry Law | Aug 7 2019 19:20 utc | 15

@ no | 7 "Food Ship to Venezuela Seized in US Blockade"

Thanks for posting this! Rather disheartening though...

Toddlers have to learn about the many specific dangers in a home. Seems like adults in Venezuela, or Iran for that matter, still have to learn about the specific dangers of defying the US. One important lesson: you can't have any dealings whatsoever with the so-called "state" of Panama.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 7 2019 19:29 utc | 16

About Tulsi Gabbard ...
It is difficult for me to imagine myself voting for a Democrat, I am a Green voter; however, I have cheered for Tulsi Gabbard for years.
She is one of the few politicians out there talking sanity with respect to our Forever-Wars.

But yesterday I learned that she had been a member of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations).

Can anyone assuage my disgust at this revelation? Please.

(By the way, why did it take so long for this to be revealed?)

Posted by: librul | Aug 7 2019 19:39 utc | 17

Uncle jon @4

Whitney Webb’s 3rd article in the series. A gem of investigative journalism:

Uncle Jon, I don't know beans about you, and I don't know much about Whitney Webb either. I've seen a young woman of that name on some website breathlessly going on about something or other. Amd I've seen various long articles on various topics by someone of that name who lives in Chile. Yours is the fifth or sixth plug I've seen in comments sections, Zerohedge for example. And tbey all seem to be plugs of the same sort for this article. I checked out the article, and here is a comment I wrote about it.

Posted by: sarz | Aug 7 2019 19:43 utc | 18

@14 karlof1.. i think musburger was being sarcastic... he really does mean trump in his comment..

Posted by: james | Aug 7 2019 19:45 utc | 19

@5 - Buzzfeed - they are the people who published the Steele report right?

Actually most of the "lies" Trump gets accused of are True or partly true. It is just that the Resistance idiots are bigger liars than Trump.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Aug 7 2019 20:10 utc | 20

Moon vows support for localization of parts

"After the export regulations and the whitelist removal, we have continued to say we will use these an opportunity to improve our industrial ecosystem," presidential spokeswoman Ko Min-jung said during a regular briefing, Wednesday.

"We will raise the competitiveness of the parts and materials sector and never be swayed by a country that holds tech supremacy, while using this as an opportunity to raise our profile as a manufacturing powerhouse," Moon said during an emergency Cabinet meeting on Aug. 2 after Japan excluded Korea from its "whitelist" of preferential trading partners earlier the same day.

South Korea is a capitalist society. That means its economy is planned according to profit rates, not the government's will. With a decadent economy and plagued with mafia-like corruption, it doesn't have the capacity to do shit about localization of production.

Just talking like you're China doesn't make you China.


After Beijing's devaluation of the renminbi just four cents above the "psychological limit" put Wall Street on all fours, Trump suddenly became a docile puppy and shifted the blame on the Fed:

'Our Problem is Not China, Our Problem is the Federal Reserve' - Trump

From Trump's tweeter account:

“Three more Central Banks cut rates.” Our problem is not China - We are stronger than ever, money is pouring into the U.S. while China is losing companies by the thousands to other countries, and their currency is under siege - Our problem is a Federal Reserve that is too proud to admit their mistake of acting too fast and tightening too much (and that I was right!). They must Cut Rates bigger and faster, and stop their ridiculous quantitative tightening NOW. Yield curve is at too wide a margin, and no inflation! Incompetence is a terrible thing to watch, especially when things could be taken care of sooo easily. We will WIN anyway, but it would be much easier if the Fed understood, which they don’t, that we are competing against other countries, all of whom want to do well at our expense!

Posted by: vk | Aug 7 2019 20:11 utc | 21

to karlof1 #14 Thanks for the recommendation. I always appreciate your book reviews, although I am amazed that you have time to read sooooo much. I'm just now reading "Far and Wide" by Douglas Reed, which I believe you recommended. To those who are interested, it's downloadable. Just do a DuckDuckGo search. Reed has an interesting take on the assassination of Lincoln, which had a huge affect on the subsequent history of the US south.

re Venezuela. Rumblings - Gordon Duff at New Eastern Outlook - a mercenary army organized by Eric Prince - paid for by?????
here are some guesses: Elliot Abrahms....??? underwritten by the Lima Group???? NO, I have no proof - but lots of suspicions.

Does that make me a breathless young woman? hahahaha

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Aug 7 2019 20:19 utc | 22

librul @17--

It seems you've been absent from this blog for awhile as that's common knowledge amongst barflies. She also voted against the 1st Amendment she swore an oath to uphold by siding with the anti-BDS crowd. Then she showed her double-standard regarding opposition to Forever Wars by voting for the 2020-22 $1.5 Trillion War Budget. At both of her campaign websites, you won't find any mention of her position on Palestine, although other trivia's addressed. I thought I might work for her campaign but sought clarification on her stance on Occupied Palestine, which was finally provided with her anti-BDS vote. I chalked these and other "mistakes" of hers up as political immaturity, but now I'm not so sure given her ability to dismantle political opponents. I do want her to remain in the debates, which for now means she must poll at least 2% in 4 different, DNC approved polls by the end of August.

There's no doubt we need a vast Movement to initiate the required change to the Outlaw US Empire and dethrone its Current Oligarchy and its political allies and that will necessitate the "Political Fight" Hudson sees the Movement required to wage. Sanders was correct in 2016 when he said we need a Movement and that's what his aim was to build. His mantra hasn't wavered as this proves:

"Our campaign is not just about winning the Democratic primary.

"It is not just about defeating Donald Trump.

"It is about bringing millions of people together and transforming our society to make our political and economic systems work for all of us."

The Prize is attaining the last sentence's goal, which is what all the contrived diversions and Culture War battles aim to prevent. The task's monumental because of the amount of solidarity required to attain the ultimate goal--70%+--because the forces of Reaction won't sit idly while we attempt to dethrone them. Gabbard's rhetoric would seem to include her in this Movement, but her actions not so much. Sanders on the other hand, is acting like a man possessed given his barnstorming around the nation and being very outspoken. IMO, the right thing to do is join the already growing Movement rising again around Sanders and get others too. Both Sanders and Hudson's time is waning and they know it which is why they're as busy as possible and increasingly outspoken. I don't know who I'll fill the block in for POTUS in 2020; but I do know we must build the Movement.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2019 20:34 utc | 23

@ 17 L

I wish I could allay your concerns, but I can not... in fact, it appears worse then you/we think...

This from PCR: Tulsi Gabbard: R.I.P.

"It is unfortunate that Tulsi Gabbard succumbed to the Israel Lobby..."

Posted by: xLemming | Aug 7 2019 20:37 utc | 24

@ karlof1 | Aug 7 2019 19:15 utc | 14

I'm buying the book so I can mark it up with my notations and dogear specific important pages as is my practice. No historian ever learns everything; that's why we're forever students of history--if we're honest. If you find it as intriguing as me, please don't but it from Bezos's Amazon.

An antiquarian book dealer recommended 'Abe Books' (online). They have since been obtained by Amazon (by some information) but still send business to small and independent booksellers worldwide as well as their (Amazon) own dealers. Their inventory is by book with sellers of that book listed by price and shipping costs. My regard for service is that it's topnotch and dependable.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 7 2019 20:43 utc | 25

sarz #18

Thank you sarz, that was more revealing adout you than Whitney Webb. My take on Webb is that she maps the associations perhaps not as precisely as amazing polly but the human terrain map is helpful. Regardless of political origin both Webb and polly convey context and data for us to navigate.

The day Ghislaine Maxwell is arrested will be a testament to a paradigm shift. I am not holding my breath but it has been helpful to compile the list of her associates.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 7 2019 20:43 utc | 26

@14 karlof1

re: Outlaw US Empire: How to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States.

Abby Martin interviews the author on Empire Files here:

“United States” to Imperial America: Our Hidden Empire (39 min)

Posted by: pantaraxia | Aug 7 2019 20:45 utc | 27

Uncle Jon @4: Whitney Webb’s 3rd article in the series. A gem of investigative journalism

Great reporting. But IMO a faulty conclusion.

She basically says that its unclear that Epstein was a Mossad op because the Myer Lansky-connected mob has previously done some work for FBI/CIA. However, we can surmise that it's MUCH MORE LIKELY to be a Mossad op because:

1) The Epstein op was funded and conducted by pro-Israel Jews;

2) The operation preyed on underage, non-Jewish women and targeted Western "people that matter" on an industrial scale.

No one has suggested any reason that CIA/FBI would be involved in such large-scale criminality or such a large-scale blackmail operation.

But we can surmise why Mega/Mossad might've do so. Israel depends on continued USA support and Israel/pro-Israeli think tanks plotted to use USA military to fight middle east wars (against countries like Iraq, Syria, and Iran). Compromising Americans allowed Mossad to 'weaponize' them to:

: Support Israel in general;

> Support the case for specific military initiatives;

> Remain silent if not supportive;

> Attack critics of military intervention or aid to Israel;

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 7 2019 20:45 utc | 28

continuing @28

And, of course that's not an exhaustive list. The compromised Americans/Westerners could also do things like: provide innocent introductions / recommendations, support candidates for important positions, direct business to Israel or pro-Israel business people, etc.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 7 2019 20:52 utc | 29

librul @ 2 and 17

“(I am a Green voter)”. I had to smile because all too often, I too, find myself prephasing my comment with a similar disclaimer. Most of my friends are Democraps. Almost by definition they suffer from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and a high level of cognitive dissonance. Therefore, whenever I point out something that favors Trump, for example that the Russian collusion is nothing but “Saddam’s WMD 2.0”, they instinctively think that I am a Trump supporter. But I am a green voter. Therefore I use that disclaimer.

To your second topic on Tulsi. I have long come to the conclusion that voting Dem will automatically make me complicit in war crimes. In 2016 I might have forced myself to vote for Sanders. But going forward, his capitulation to Killary has disqualified him for my support. Tulsi, in contrast, had resigned from DNC to protest against DNC’s machinations against Sanders. That, and her principled and courageous anti war stand, had made her the only Dem candidate I had followed. However, first came the information about her membership in CFR. Some of her supporters say that this is something she automatically got, but she has This does not sound convincing to me. But more importantly, she had recently voted against BDS. I can in no way support someone who is under the thumb of the racist, Zionist entity.

Non allegiance to the colonial racist entity is the first test any politician has to pass before he or she will get my support. If you are interested, here is the roll call on the vote.

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Aug 7 2019 20:52 utc | 30

Nathan Mulcahy @30

Yup, Tulsi's resigning because of her support for Sanders is about as convincing to me as Seth Rich's "murder". When you scratch the surface, you come away with the feeling that each of these was contrived.

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 7 2019 20:58 utc | 31

Trump unlawfully orders an embargo of Venezuela, which is prohibited by international law unless ordered by the UN Security Council. The US cannot lawfully take this unilateral action, worse still John Bolton warned that anyone continuing normal relations with Venezuela “risks its business interests with the United States i.e. secondary sanctions again a complete negation of International law,
The US is acting as a rogue state discarding International law and embarking on a might is right policy, they are in fact agreeing with Chairman Mao’s doctrine ‘Power grows out the barrel of a gun’, question is, what are Russia and China going to do about it, indeed what is the rest of the World going to do about it?

Posted by: Harry Law | Aug 7 2019 21:04 utc | 32

sarz @18--

I agree 100% with your linked comment. I found Webb's essays to be a mass of assumptions supposedly verified by linked innuendos as you discovered. The Epstein Case requires a great deal of expertise to investigate, and that's not what we're getting from self-appointed sensationalists. Follow the money is one of any investigation's fundamental mantras but DoJ opted to not object to allowing Epstein's financial records to remain sealed. Such behavior leads one to perceive the fix is in already.

Miss Lacy @22--

Thanks much for your reply! I must admit to just happening upon that book via my daily visit to the Angry Arab's Twitter; otherwise, I'd be ignorant of it, which really is a shame. The historians bane is there're so many books and other written sources but so little time to read them while trying to lead a semi-normal life. Contemporary events have consumed me of late, but they are tomorrow's history, which is why I try to pay attention. But if one doesn't read and then read further to confirm, then the myths become facts in a detrimental fashion.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2019 21:05 utc | 33

karlof1 @ 23

I always look forward to your posts--they are always concise, logical, well-researched, and no BS. Never more than on this post of yours. I know you (like many of us) held high hopes for Gabbard, and while she still is impressive on certain points, the red flags continue to mount. I just wanted to say that I appreciate that you are open minded and intellectually honest enough to report on what you have learned about her. It can be hard to maintain a vigorous investigation in the face of disappointments, but you have done a service to us by doing so. In the end I may continue to find her the best of a bad lot, but at least I'll have my eyes open. Bravo!

Posted by: J Swift | Aug 7 2019 21:16 utc | 34

Harry Law @32--

Been asking that question since Gulf War 1 and the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure. But in reality, that question should've been asked in 1953/4 with Iran and Guatemala had their governments overthrown in acts equal to aggressive war and prohibited by both UN Charter and US Constitution. That's why if you live within the Outlaw US Empire joining the Sanders Movement is the thing to do--as he himself points out, gaining POTUS isn't sufficient. That's why I wrote what I did @23. IMO, those within the Empire must seriously think about what's most important and how to get there.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2019 21:23 utc | 35

trying to elect sanders is a waste of time.. i thought dem folks learned that in the last election... apparently not..

read his crap on syria here -

how anyone could support that is beyond me.. it is usa exceptionalism ad nasseum...

Posted by: james | Aug 7 2019 21:43 utc | 36

pantaraxia @27--

Thanks much for the link to the interview! I read one of the reviews at Amazon by a UCSD Prof that was also enlightening since he's already read the entire work and was to assign it to his Grad students.

JSwift @34--

Thanks for your reply and vote of confidence! Determining the correct form of action to take is often painstaking and may involve self-compromise as some of us learn as we transit life. As you've read, I'm advocating joining the Movement Sanders has put into motion, which is an amalgam of several factions having their own specific agenda. I'm sure we'll see the usual actors say doing so's a waste of time, but they advocate nothing more than observing while sucking your thumb, and zero change will occur via that method. Eventually, the current economic bubble will burst with outcomes likely worse than 2008. But what'll differ this time is there'll be a massive, growing political Movement available to capitalize on that event. During the Great Depression, the citizen's Populist movement didn't really get going until 1934-5 with the election of insurgent congresspeople, there being no movement driving the 1932 election aside from the well recognized national malaise. We know the bubble will burst; we know a Movement's required to have any chance at affecting genuine change. Who will take Sanders's mantle and become the leader/s is unknown; what is known is Sanders is burning what remains of his candle at both ends and won't be capable of continuing his current pace much longer.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2019 21:52 utc | 37

Trump's economic embargo and seizing VZ assets is illegal and a war crime. What will the "resistance" do? Oyeah, blame Russia and China.

Posted by: lgfocus | Aug 7 2019 21:57 utc | 38

Lots of Gabbbard attention.

My two cents? Far from being a pro-sensible foreign policy President (if elected), she's likely to lead her supporters down a, ahem, rabbit hole.

The US two-party political system is contrived. Totus mundus agit histrionem

Posted by: OutOfThinAir | Aug 7 2019 21:59 utc | 39

I'm actually glad for once that MoA is quiet today because now I have time to listen to Max Blumenthal's interview of President Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela for The Grayzone Project.

There is an English-language transcript of the interview at The Grayzone Project website as well.

Posted by: Jen | Aug 7 2019 22:11 utc | 40

I'll share this one before it disappears down the memory hole:
India takes exception to Chinese remarks on Kashmir

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 7 2019 22:43 utc | 41

@ sarz 18

“.....I dont know beans about you....”

And we are going to keep it that way. We don't know anything about anyone here other than what they post, which might give a clue. But even then, still can’t tell who anyone is behind their usernames. As for your opinion on W. Webb, good for you. Don’t believe her? Move on.

@karlof1 33

I have to disagree with you on W. Webb’s articles. Didn’t find anything sensationalist about the articles. She has portrayed the web of connection that exists between these sick people. Some direct and some tenuous. But I don't find anything in her writings to make me want to discount her findings. Or the fact that she lives in Chile. If you have a good source on her travels and whether she only stays in a one bedroom apartment in Chile churning out fiction, I like to know. MintPress seems to think highly of her and so far I find her articles very informative and full of facts.

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 7 2019 23:06 utc | 42

@jackrabbit 28

I think she left that connection to Mossad vague due to lack of direct evidence, so far. But I don't think Epstein will ever see the inside of a courtroom, so we may never know. He will gagged long before then. Hopefully, some of the victims will come forward with names and dates, but even that is a dangerous proposition.

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 7 2019 23:16 utc | 43

Uncle Jon @42--

I read her first essay and tried to verify what she cited as sources for her allegations, and all I found were more allegations--no facts. I should qualify the term sensationalist; her writing's that way in the sense of the 19th century Police Gazette tabloids--titillating is probably a better descriptive term. In no way do I mean my critique of her writing to belittle Epstein's case; however IMO, Russiagate should have taught us something regarding the difference between factual proof and innuendo/unsubstantiated allegations. Currently, there's a lull in the action and what few sources I have are silent. IMO, my question about why DoJ didn't follow the money is more than valid; I believe it's critical; thus, my conclusion that the outcome's already fixed. Epstein and money lead what news there is now as Wexner has talked some. And Florida's governor ordered a criminal investigation into Epstein's plea deal. Perhaps discovery for that will unseal Epstein's finances.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2019 0:43 utc | 44

I have long thought that many of the incidents of terrorism both 'Islamist' and 'white supremicist' are really Gladio type operations. The shootings at Dayton and El Paso feel very much like such operations. Normally, I avoid commenting on such incidents but this recent article on Fort Russ News provides me with an opportunity to make this observation

Americans may be unfamiliar with Gladio but if you research it you will find that it is real. It matters because any assumptions you make about the shootings are entirely wrong if they are Gladio. And, if they are Gladio, they are never going to end until you begin to openly regard them as such.

Posted by: ADKC | Aug 8 2019 0:45 utc | 45

A credible witness states that there were four men dressed in black doing the shooting in El Paso. Here we go again:

Europe has been eerily quiet for some time now which means something must be in the pipeline. It probably won’t be Britain because half the population is already terrified about what will happen after Brexit. My guess is Germany in say three to four weeks as punishment for non-cooperation over the Straits of Hormuz. I may pop into my local bookmaker to ask if there are any odds on that one!

Posted by: Lochearn | Aug 8 2019 0:50 utc | 46

How to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2019 19:15 utc | 14

For those interested in this book there is a interview with the author with Abby Martin.

However to be honest this just comes off as just another "white" historian getting praise for what many historians of color have written about for years.

One is "The Counter Revolution of 1776" by Gerald Horne

Another is : "Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America" by Ibram X. Kendi

Posted by: O | Aug 8 2019 0:52 utc | 47

Tulsi Gabbard response: “Watch this for why I voted for HRes246 and why I'll always defend our right to free speech”
HR246 does not limit First Amendment right of freedom of speech. Bill had language saying BDS was not preferred solution for achieving two state solution but was non-binding. Tusi supports right for BDS protests.

Great response to Tulsi’s voting for hr246 ( called anti-BDS Bill) because it supported two state solution.
NiKo House: “BREAKING: Tulsi Responds To Criticisms Of "Anti BDS" Vote”

“Tulsi Gabbard on Occupation of Palestine, BDS, Accountability”
“Tulsi supports the right of both Palestine and Israel to exist and thrive.”

Tulsi did NOT vote for the Defense Budget -

Posted by: Stever | Aug 8 2019 0:52 utc | 48

Is anyone aware of any Democrats pushing back or publicly taking issue without the developing blockade of Venezuela? These actions have already cost thousands of lives, but a full blockade would probably killed tens of thousands if not more. Are there any Democrats even talking about these viscous crimes against humanity? For people who like to throw the word “Fascist” around in reference to Trump, the ongoing siege/ coup attempt / starvation policy against Venezuela seems to be the closest thing to Fascism his administration has done. We may end up with 100s of thousands dead very quickly if this continues.

Posted by: Jason | Aug 8 2019 0:54 utc | 49

Latest measures against Venezuela are essentially a unilateral decision by US foreign policy hawks. The meeting of the so-called Lima Group yesterday was something of a bust, dominated by Bolton's gangster-like threats to any entity which fails to follow his dictat. The Lima Group made much last February of their "smart power" diplomatic manoeuvres which presumed to remove Venzuela's government through a form of "lawfare", promoted as an alternative to the blunt aggression of the US. Now, six months later, once heavily involved foreign ministers like Canada's Freeland don't even show up and the US led embargo/proposed blockade is the only strategy still standing, although without much support. Pompeo says it's not an embargo because Guaido and his "team" aren't subject to sanctions.

Posted by: jayc | Aug 8 2019 0:56 utc | 50

The Democratic contenders are dog-piling onto exploiting the deaths of Mexican-Americans by blaming the President. If OutOfThinAir, Jackrabbit , xLemming, librul et. al. on this board think that any contenders for the Dem ticket are not in at least several pockets at any one time, you are just so, so precious to me.

Of course Gabbard is just another contender so her team is constantly re-routing her apparent policies to align herself with anti-war, anti- foreign lobby positions. Debating amongst yourselves about whether she is to be trusted based on: 1) on her sudden pivot toward Omar's 'freedom of protest' bill, away from support for(providing covering fire against enemies of) the Zionist government of Israel and the 1a) interpretation of that to meant that she is suddenly pro-BDS or, most hilariously, whether 2)her membership in CFR somehow confers irrevocable allegiance with the New World Order against the wishes of the voting public... is just so painfully precious that I'm getting an ice cream headache pondering at the credulity on display here. For everyone who knows what I'm about to say, just stop reading now. If you think I'm being condescending, read on.

Gabbard will continue climbing toward the summit and will flip script on anything in her record that stands to alienate the classical liberal "well-read plebe" talking points of ending regime change wars, ejecting foreign policy interference and the rape of the working class. She will do this because of how badly you all need to believe in someone who rejects the Neoliberal agenda. This is deliberate. This is calculated. It is however, time to take off the pull-ups and try real underwear for a change. This woman is not an authentic candidate because there are no authentic candidates. Rather, hers is clearly such an effectively researched campaign that those voters and voices most sympathetic to her platform positions are categorically blind to the motivations of a presidential contender seeking to run against a horde of Democrat clowns and mountebanks with an ORIGINAL package. They did their research, boys and girls. They know that the anti-war sentiment in this country is evangelical, that faith in power is non-existent and that everybody knows, at least subconsciously, that 9/11 was an inside job of some measure.

But don't despair. Hear the wisdom of Don Draper:

'Listen, I’m not here to tell you about Jesus. You already know about Jesus. Either he lives in your heart or he doesn’t. Every woman wants choices. But in the end, none wants to be one of 100 in a box. She’s unique. She makes the choices and she’s chosen him. She wants to tell the world he’s mine. He belongs to me, not you. She marks her man with her lips. He is her possession. You’ve given every woman who wears your lipstick the gift of total ownership.'

If my assumptions are correct, the Gabbard team is conducting master-class spin control both to side-step ever-closer toward a full deck of classical liberal positions while subtly managing the perception of their candidate's authenticity. And, at the end of the day, we get to pretend that she's our brand and arrived independent of outside influences. But then you guys start bitching because she dances to the same music as the industry that put her in front of the cameras, where she's consistently been taking trophy ears during the debates, despite smear tactics from the MSM whores and Google running interference.

This is due to a combination of 1)General naivete of the public who are unaware that America following the Marshall Plan IS the New World Order, 1a) that swamp ecology and hierarchy especially post-Patriot Act will always only produce candidates for government office loyal to that order, 2) and, most charmingly, that a candidate could ever be judged such as that her voting record is indicative of political commitments or that 2a), 1b) they are to be rated for humanistic authenticity. Finally, it is to be remembered that, regardless of the stated platform positions, 2b)this is a candidate running for president on crux issues against an army of establishment clowns and mountebanks flying the same party flag, against Trump for 2020, an historically unique set of circumstances. The necessity for spin control is several orders of magnitude more crucial than any other Demo candidate in my lifetime and Gabbard's team is doing a magnificent job of making it look easy. Not to mention that Zionist Israel's lobby is 20,000 leagues deep in Washington and the ADL has created a mythic and lethal stigma around criticism of that influence. But it is head-splittingly precious that you believe a candidate could make it national prominence being critical of Israel.

SO, so precious. I would advise those who agree with her stated agenda[one which could begin to dismantle the regime-change complex] who are distracted by the compulsion to hen-peck her campaign positions to vote with their dollars instead of spreading their brutally guileless conjecture about the authenticity of a presidential candidate all over message boards. Do you want to keep chasing your fantasies or get somebody in office who, for whichever actual reason, seeks drawdown of the perpetual war model? Do you want to be a battered housewife, get that divorce and die alone with a house full of cats or take a plunge with the suitor who says he(she)'ll never hit you and will always come home? Are establishment ties seemingly part of the 'swamp' job description(Zionist Israel lobby) really enough to totally disqualify the only candidate the MSM whores have the stones to call an 'Assad apologist' because she's the single voice questioning the blood-drinkers in foreign policy?

Jesus lives in your heart, or he doesn’t. Just don’t let us finish last again because your fine Christian sensibilities rankle when Mary Magdalene sleeps in his tent.

Posted by: FL3Q8H3 | Aug 8 2019 1:19 utc | 51

@51 fl3q..... trump is responsible for the deaths in el paso, inciting racism against latinos... i don't care how a person votes - that is the way i see it.. trump has to assume some responsibility for the xenophobia he has underwritten.. and this ain't about voting either.. the usa system at present is a complete shambles...

China reacts to J&K, India demands reciprocity

Posted on August 7, 2019 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2019 1:36 utc | 52

@49 jason.. good question... i doubt it... nothing but crickets from the dems on pretty much anything of any relevance...

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2019 1:37 utc | 53

Sorry for the repeat link given by: pantaraxia | Aug 7 2019 20:45 utc | 27

Instead here is link to Gerald Horne's lecture of his book.
Gerald Horne: Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the USA


Ibram X. Kendi, "Stamped From The Beginning"

Posted by: O | Aug 8 2019 1:58 utc | 54

Thanks to all the MoA barflies with the spinning plate reports from WWIII

I want to encourage readers to pause for a moment and consider the big picture view of all the proxy plates in play.

Consider that many current actions/bullying are against actors that challenge the global finance system directly or indirectly

Consider that keeping the public in the West suppressed through fear, media obfuscation or lies has escalated significantly in the last few months

Consider that wars/conflict is endemic to empire historically and how much death goes unreported.

Consider that what Snowden exposed on the intel side must have a "similar" counterpart on the global enforcement side of empire

Consider that all nations are paying close attention to the geo-political chessboard.....and moving accordingly. I and others have continually been reporting at MoA on the growing alliances in the China/Russia axis and the bullying, warmongering, fearmongering, and economic brinksmanship disintegration efforts of the West/empire.

Consider that we are engaged in WWIII in spite of it not "looking" like the previous wars....yet.......because MAD

Consider that the proxy war in Syria was one of the significant tipping points in the "narrative control" between the empire and China/Russia axis even though the steamroller of China alliance forming around the BRI is the unstoppable challenge to global private finance directly.

Consider that empire had to (s)elect a bully TV personality, with a history of managing bankruptcies, to be the face of last gasp empire.....who gets the movie rights?...../snark

Consider that we are not all getting excited about the Tokyo 2020 Olympics..../more snark and a repeat of a 2011 (fukushima) posit that they will not happen.

Consider that maybe soon the cult of crazy private global finance will be reigned in and humanity can evolve into a better form of social organization.....I do

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 8 2019 1:59 utc | 55

James @52. So what ???? Don't believe the MSM unless it feeds our bias? If trump is responsible then so are those who voted for him, no? IMO to be responsible for inciting violence against latino's he would have to go further than the same old 'other' rhetoric employed by both heads of ZOG. Think HRC and the 'super predator' meme employed when the Dems were building their wall while slick Willy was spooging on blue dresses.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 8 2019 2:09 utc | 56

Might be possible to move Gabbard in a more courageous and insightful direction. Ideally a campaign is a dialogue between a candidate and the people. Let's try to make it so. She's the first candidate in a long time worth wasting any hope on at all.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 8 2019 2:11 utc | 57

james, @52, relationship of Trump's racism to violence.

If Trump were even more racist would you expect
there to be even more violence?

If yes, then how about the *appearance* of being
more racist? What difference would it make if
he just *appeared* to be more racist rather than
actually racist?

Therefore...24/7 of the MSM, Democrats and people
such as yourself, saying "Trump is a racist",
"Trump is a racist", "Trump is a racist",
"Trump is a racist", "Trump is a racist", "Trump is a racist",
"Trump is a racist", ... 24/7, millions of times
over. Then Trump would certainly be perceived as
more racist than he actually is, and thus producing
more violence.

You are responsible for violence, don't you see?

Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2019 2:12 utc | 58

@ tannenhouser / librul.. one could say life it is a collective responsibility.. people get the leader they deserve and we get what we collectively deserve on the planet too... trump is responsible for his talk.. as i see it, he's fomented this and is essentially supporting white nationalism, even if he doesn't come out and say that... hopefully this answers some of both your questions..

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2019 2:19 utc | 59

Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2019 2:12 utc | 58

Trump is a racist. but that is just one of many low hanging fruit to critique the dufus, he is also a rapist of underage girls and a degenerate who sexualizes his daughter.

Posted by: O | Aug 8 2019 2:26 utc | 60

karlof1, can you give us a more uptodate account of Bernie Sanders' statements about Venezuela, given the post by jayc at 50. I couldn't watch the latest Democratic debate, and since then it seems the Trump administration is doubling down on sanctions. I would consider this an Achilles heel for Trump given the large latino-american population in the US. I truly don't understand how anyone calling themselves 'progressive' can be attracted to a campaign that doesn't come out strongly against this. It appears to be a doctrinal issue resembling Bush's preemptive strike doctrine that back in the day Al Gore addressed in an important San Francisco speech.

How the Democratic flag has bitten the dust!

Posted by: juliania | Aug 8 2019 2:31 utc | 61

snake @ 8 I'm getting a 404 error on that link. Got an alternate?
Posted by: juandonjuan | Aug 7 2019 18:56 utc | 11
3 rd story down..

I found on my Iexplorer and firefox i am getting a 404 but on vivaldi and brave goes right through.
have not tried tor..

Posted by: snake | Aug 8 2019 2:34 utc | 62

James, Hmmm. Not sure I can get behind the idea that Amazon rainforest lost tribes deserve to burn because they belong to a human collective. As POTUS yes he has responsibility for what happens on his watch. Can you provide more than MSM talking points which push the bar a lil closer to responsibility for 'incitement'? Isn't switching of headlines about something he said more than enough proof to give one pause and ponder as to the veracity of the information provided? In ALL matters, no?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 8 2019 2:36 utc | 63

Sad news from Uruguay. Pepe Mujica, former President of Uruguay and 'Frente Amplio' - the allegedly socialist/left government are now calling Maduro a dictator and Venezuela a dictatorship. The question has to be: 'What did the psychopath in question threaten the little country with to make them all over sudden denounce Maduro and Venezuela? I feel very much like puking, sitting in a place of which I thought does have much more integrity than that. But then, I know how the economy here is tanking and maybe there was some bribery involved?


Another question has me wondering what's going on with the El Paso attack. The most oddly manifesto is full of extremely strange contradictions. As someone pointed out, alone the statement of exoneration of Trump as a possible influencer of the attacker by the attacker is so strange that it warrants a much closer look. The attacker speaks about already having made up his mind before Trump was selected in 2016 - at that time the attacker was 15 years old. At least that's what has been published.

When reading the manifesto, it becomes apparent that it is quite eloquently written at times. The shooter also refers to the time before Trump and considering his age at that time, it begs the question of credibility regarding the shooter's own description of this time. This reference sounds rather like a memoir written by an aged person, not a 15 year old kid.

The strangest part however is the reference to Paper Towels. A person that shoots up a lot of people writes about paper towels in his manifesto and how bad they are in his eyes. Sure, the conclusion of a possible mental illness comes to mind - unfortunately, the other parts of the manifesto don't give that impression at all. It is very much like being able to figure out that Hitler did not have all his marbles together after reading 'Mein Kampf'. That is not possible. The impression does only arise, because we know now what kind of person he was.

The thing with the paper towels is extremely grotesque - considering that the use of paper towels as described by the shooter is actually their greatest advantage. Especially in regions with high humidity, where cotton towels never dry (like on leeward Hawai'i). For all the eloquence of the manifesto (at least for the age of the shooter), it strikes me as inexplicable, why a person would not mention that the real problem does not lie in the use of paper towels at all. The real problem about paper towels is simply that they are not made from hemp and thus being 100% recyclable and sustainable.

It may be like interpreting too much into it, but that might indeed be the intention of this 'manifesto'. It leaves the strange feeling that it was not written by the shooter. And as far as conspiracies go - MK Ultra was never just a theory - it is a fact that the dark side of the US experimented with human beings and how to remote control them. The theory part starts, where there are enough people that cannot be convinced that this sick program ever stopped as demanded by congress.

I am interested what other thoughts about this manifesto exist. Thank you.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 8 2019 2:40 utc | 65

Posted by: vk | Aug 8 2019 2:37 utc | 64

Nice predictive programming piece by NYT I guess the gaslighting of the masses is getting up to full speed again for "America's Next Top President" season 2020, que opening theme song.

Posted by: O | Aug 8 2019 2:46 utc | 66

" MK Ultra was never just a theory - it is a fact that the dark side of the US experimented with human beings and how to remote control them. The theory part starts, where there are enough people that cannot be convinced that this sick program ever stopped as demanded by congress."
Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 8 2019 2:40 utc | 65

I agree, a lot of these mass shootings have that vibe about them, in particular the ones with manifestos.

Posted by: O | Aug 8 2019 2:49 utc | 67

Just one more thing.

A Travel Warning for the US by Amnesty International is now in effect.

While that might not be something the US population loses sleep over, the question is what travelers from countries that do pay attention to these kind of warnings. The Japanese people never struck me as especially indifferent in Hawai'i. Neither did the Chinese and especially not the Germans. Many do look at their embassy's travel warnings and while I don't know if this warning will actually make it into the embassies of other countries, twatter is part of a lot of peoples' life now.

It will be interesting to find out if this creates a drop of foreign money influx through tourism to the US.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 8 2019 2:53 utc | 68

Macron invited Rouhani to G7 summit but Rouhani declined.


French President Emmanuel Macron has attempted to trigger initiatives to preserve the JCPOA. On July 30, the Iranian and French presidents discussed in a 100-minute phone call the possibilities for saving the deal. According to two sources who spoke on condition of anonymity, Macron invited President Hassan Rouhani to attend the G-7 summit Aug. 24 at the coastal resort of Biarritz, France, to meet with US President Donald Trump.

Macron promised that many issues between Tehran and Washington beyond the JCPOA would be solved. Rouhani, however, declined to attend or send a representative, which naturally would have been Foreign Minister



Posted by: arata | Aug 8 2019 3:01 utc | 69

@63 tannenhouser.. your example wasn't what i was thinking.. i am sorry, but i tried as best i could to answer you.. i don't watch the msm - tv - so most of what i get of trump is 2nd hand.. it seems to me he wanted to build a wall and keep mexicans out, in spite of the fact the corporations, including his own - have profited off these same people.. if it is just appealing to the lowest common denominator in a voter, i still don't find his words that have made it thru to me - acceptable.. in fact, 3 years ago i thought trump might shake things up a bit and would ultimately be good for the world, especially in how he reflects more of the wheels coming off the empire.. now, i think the usa is really in trouble on a lot of levels and it might be better to have someone with a level of decency he doesn't seem capable of expressing.. of course h clinton was horrid as well.. it seems the usa voter only has a lot of bad, or less bad choices to choose from.. anyway - it is not about just what trump says - it is about what he does too..

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2019 3:15 utc | 70

The US State Department has updated its definition of antisemitism to include "drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis” as an example of antisemitism in public life.

In 2018, According to pro-Israel philanthropist Adam Milstein, the State Department adopted the definition of antisemitism set by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA). Milstein disseminated a release about the change on Wednesday morning Israel time:

The State Dep. just updated the definition of #Antisemitism to include "Drawing Comparison of Contemporary #Israeli policy to the of #Nazis". Kudos to @SecPompeo and Special Envoy Elan Carr. It's more clear now, the BDS Movement is disgustingly Antisemitic

— Adam Milstein (@AdamMilstein) August 6, 2019

Posted by: Knight | Aug 8 2019 3:16 utc | 71

In my local small town newspaper a retired pastor wrote a letter calling for more gun control. And I thought, what a shame that the ones who most want the violence to stop have no idea that every time they call for gun control they increase the incidence of these shootings.

If, instead, the word from the retired pastors was that while the shooting is a tragedy, it has nothing to do with ownership of guns, and that repealing the 2nd Amendment would be a vastly greater crime - then we would see a decline in the shootings, because it would provide no way for the state to encourage the call for gun control.

What a wicked trap. The shootings will continue until well meaning people understand that they happen purely to seize the last remaining protection of the people from the criminal state.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 8 2019 3:18 utc | 72

In order for any society to function smoothly, the vast majority of the people need to behave at least somewhat rationally. Of course there are always going to be exceptions, and we understand that, but most of us operate under the assumption that most of the people that we are going to encounter in our daily lives are not going to act like nutjobs. Unfortunately, that may not be a safe assumption any longer. As our society literally degenerates right in front of our eyes, it seems like someone has opened up the barn doors and let out all the crazies. And the truth is that “our leaders” are some of the best examples of this phenomenon. Just look at some of the winners that we have running for president. Quite a few of them are far more qualified for the insane asylum than they are for the highest office in the land. Of course it doesn’t end with our politicians. All across this country, it seems like people in positions of power can’t think straight any longer.

If you doubt this, just consider what just happened to a 79-year-old woman in Ohio named Nancy Segula. When her neighbor moved away, he left a couple cats behind, and they became very hungry. So Segula would feed them and care for them, because she didn’t want them to suffer. Well, eventually one of her neighbors found out about this, and the animal warden was called


Unfortunately, the most recent citation required her to appear in court, and when she did a judge sentenced her to 10 days in jailLink

Posted by: Knight | Aug 8 2019 3:25 utc | 73

Uncle Jon @43:

I think she left that connection to Mossad vague due to lack of direct evidence, so far.

No, she made the connection to Mossad but concluded that it's uncertain if the Epstein blackmail operation was solely for Mossad.

It's unknown/unclear whether any other intelligence agency was involved or benefited from the info as it was operating (note: some info was probably handed over to FBI/CIA when Epstein got his sweetheart deal 10 years ago).

Maybe Webb (or her editors) decided that pointing out reasons for the likelihood of Epstein's being a Mossad-only operation would've ventured into opinion.

There's no doubt that Mossad and CIA work together and share info that's important to each. But I'd bet that it's unusual for them to share their sources. Also, as Jewish influence and Israel confidence has grown, I imagine that Mega/Mossad has become more bold. And Israel's push to reshape the middle east to secure the 'near abroad'/greater Israel would likely be such a high priority that bold action would be approved.

It seems to me that very few have really digested the implications of Epstein being a Mossad op. There's tremendous push-back on any suggestion that American Jews are not loyal to America, but here we have indications that some of the wealthiest American Jews (Mega Group) were involved in an operation to compromise USA.

Needless to say, I'm really looking forward to Webb's next article in the series which focuses on Ghislane and the Clintons.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 8 2019 3:34 utc | 74

Mention of the name Epstein does not yet fall within the definition of "anti-Semitism"?

Posted by: onlooking | Aug 8 2019 3:44 utc | 75

@73 Knight

I am a cat lover - bless them all, and their civilization that exists one foot above the ground, if we would but watch it.

There should be a rule of thumb that says that anyone who feels no kindred with cats also has no kindred with human society. Perhaps in civilized societies such a measure does exist.

To me, the crime is not that a cold-hearted judge sentenced a 79-year old woman to 10 days in jail, but that the underlying law for this lies with the township of Garfield Heights, which has an ordinance that prohibits the feeding of stray cats. Anyone living within such a ghoulish community is similarly imperiled.


Most of the time I try to stand up for America - so called, and as the country thinks of itself - but there are times when I am forced, in sheer grief, to side with the judgment of D. H. Lawrence, the brilliant observer, essayist and novelist - and whom I admire above most writers - who said:

“The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.”

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 8 2019 3:46 utc | 76

Posted by: Knight | Aug 8 2019 3:25 utc | 73

As our society literally degenerates right in front of our eyes, it seems like someone has opened up the barn doors and let out all the crazies.


Posted by: onlooking | Aug 8 2019 3:55 utc | 77

Knight @71: US State Department has updated its definition of antisemitism

Anti-Israel = antisemitism is nonsensical because Israel is a theocracy.

Israeli citizenship is primarily based on religious preference, not ethnic group. Jews that have converted to another religion can't get citizenship in Israel but non-Jews that have converted to Judaism can become citizens.

I wrote about this in some detail at MoA only about a week ago. See here and here and here

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 8 2019 3:58 utc | 78

@74 Jackrabbit

This strikes me as a very sane perspective.

As to your point about sharing sources, it seems universal in the literature that all operatives are possessive of their sources and proudly share their product, but jealously guard their identity. So, agreed.

As to Mossad. Also agreed. What if we speculate that, in the relationship between CIA and Mossad, the upper hand belongs to Mossad? Why else would NSA share its domestic US data with Israel in a routine, permanent and continuous linkage?

I wonder, what of the school of thought that says it was Mossad-inspired to kill John and Robert Kennedy? What of the thought that the twin towers were reduced to rubble from a Mossad-led operation?


I know you deal in rabbit holes. I observe - and honor - that people choose to perch on the ledges down that hole that are most comfortable to their lives at the time. The rabbit hole goes deep, and I also think that no one should insist that we travel all the way to the bottom. You yourself, I think, don't often go to the bottommost depths that we can conceive for this hole.

So we are all perched in a limited hangout. Even so, from these perches we can see and agree on things. I admire your comment. I could not let it pass without saluting it.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 8 2019 4:24 utc | 79

@ 77 noted;"As our society literally degenerates right in front of our eyes, it seems like someone has opened up the barn doors and let out all the crazies.


Absolutely,and not accidentally,but by design.....

Posted by: ben | Aug 8 2019 4:28 utc | 80

@72 grieved

*clap* Salute, sir.

Col. Lang also had a wonderful post about the 2nd amendment.

For myself, I have always stressed that local law enforcement must take the first step and stop buying military surplus, etc. It seems like in our militarized culture, there is an unannounced armsrace amongst the populace bcause everyone knows that the other shoe is moments from dropping.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 8 2019 4:39 utc | 81

@ Knight #73 with the observation about the crazies running US government

I saw a bumper sticker recently that was all stars and stripes with 2020 in the corners and below it read "ANY SANE ADULT"

I keep wondering who has the movie rights to this kabuki we are living?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 8 2019 5:02 utc | 82

Interesting article regarding Iran:

So many twists to plot.

Posted by: Jared | Aug 8 2019 5:15 utc | 83

librul @ 17

Gabbard's explanation on her CFR membership is not a bad one. It is found here at the 3 minute mark. I am going to give her some space on that one.

The vote for the Lobby to silence the BDS movement is very bad but it is not RIP yet.

Those organization are at the apex of the swap.

Nathan Mulcahy @ 30

Those are my finding 100%. Trump derangement syndrome is driven by the mainstream media and it keeps their mind occupied on their enemy. They all did the same thing with Assad, Qaddafi. Putin et all.

They do not need to be brainwashed, a light rinsing does the trick.

Posted by: dltravers | Aug 8 2019 5:18 utc | 84

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 8 2019 3:58 utc | 78

Anti-Israel = antisemitism is nonsensical because Israel is a theocracy.

Of course, nonsense and even absurd. But not for the reason you mentioned.

The term "anti-Semitism" was coined to mislead suckers.

You will not argue that Semitism and Jewism are different things, since Semites are far from just Jews. So why should anti-Semitism and anti-Jewism be the same?

Things need to be called by their proper names.

Therefore, it would be more correct to say that "Anti-Israel = anti-Jewism is nonsensical because ....". And what should be instead of the ellipsis is another question.

Posted by: onlooking | Aug 8 2019 5:23 utc | 85

onlooking @85

LOL. Yes, of course.

Trump's Muslim ban is more antisemitic than is criticism of Israel.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 8 2019 5:30 utc | 86

@tbear 25 has a lot of independent 3rd party sellers, primarily of used books. You can always buy from them, though a percentage will always go to the Bezos fortune. was a Canadian company that was purchased by Amazon about 10 years ago. This venue also extracts a percentage of each sale that goes to the parent company (which ends up at about 20%). You can buy books from which is primarily a venue for 3rd party sellers, though each sale also extracts a percentage for eBay. The best "pure" venue for sales is which is a not-for-profit, though still extracts a percentage of each sale from the independent dealers who list on their site. Nothing is pure online and if you want to feel the best about your book purchases, go to a local, physical, new or used seller.

Posted by: loneplateau | Aug 8 2019 7:35 utc | 87

The mass arrest and deportation of Syrian refugees in Istanbul is a reality irrespective of the silence in turkish media and the silence and misdirection games played by western/ english-speaking turkish twitterati.

Over the last 3-4 weeks plain clothes police in unmarked vans have been raiding workplaces and apartment buildings known to employ and house Syrian refugees especially in poorer boroughs of Bağcilar, Esenyurt, Esenler, Güngõren, Zeytinburnu and Bayrampaşa etc..These operations are continuing as we speak. Thousands have been arrested. Among them not just Syrians but Afghanis, Pakistanis, Turkemnistanis etc. During 'processing' many have been sat for hours on concrete paving in city squares under 30+ direct sunlight as a form of humiliation. At the point of processing 'voluntary' deportation papers have been forcibly signed. Many have had their phones and personal effects stolen. This information is based on my own observations and the accounts of Syrian and other refugees some of whom I've known for years, some for a few months.
There simply is no disputing the above. It is a point of fact.
A second approach is also underway which is targetting more established Syrian households in Istanbul who are registered in other cities. They have been given until the 20th of August to leave Istanbul - These households will often have their own small businesses, children in local schools and interdependent connections with local Syrian communities - essential in a country that provides no support to speak of to anything other than 'useful' Syrians. How these Syrians will be re-located is yet to be seen.

Of course officual reporting is minimal and in Turkey, non-existent. Propaganda and liies are rife and Turks are silent.
The sad truth is that when it comes to Turkey, overt racism and sectarianism driven by blind nationalism are never far below the surface and disguised only by a cowardly veneer of hypocrisy and selective faux moral righteousness.
All those who are not demanding rights for refugees in Turkey are complici!!

Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 8 2019 8:11 utc | 88

Posted by: Knight | Aug 8 2019 3:16 utc | 71

Humans, beware! (in Russian, sorry, but with a deep meaning ...)

Posted by: PC user | Aug 8 2019 8:51 utc | 89

arata @ 69:

There will be direct talks between Iran & U.S. sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 8 2019 9:45 utc | 91

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 8 2019 3:46 utc | 76

Quoting: “The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.”

This is why U.S. is easy target for criticism and shunning, and why every other nation contracts them to handle dirty work they don't want to do themselves...

Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 8 2019 9:53 utc | 92

Charles Shoebridge:

As predicted, US scrapping of INF treaty has less to do with ‘Russia violations’ than US desire to further confront China. But while US claims it wants to protect its regional allies, those allies are making it clear they don’t want US missiles based there:

Posted by: UN observer | Aug 8 2019 9:53 utc | 93

And what of Q-anon?

Having read every Q post or ‘Q drop’ - not on 8Chan where they happen but on - where they’re collated in a kind of chapter and verse scripture- along with indexes and explanatory terms, themes and search functions- one thing is very obvious. It is either a sophisticated intel to public comms operation or a sophisticated psyop. No guy in his shed with a computer is making this up de-novo. The other thing that gives credibility is every MSM attack is completely inaccurate and designed to cast aspersions that will prevent Q being a topic of general polite conversation.

Do your own research on it before espousing an opinion.
Look through the themes in the tabs atop this page, starting from the left:

My take, after months of initial scepticism- but converted by the literally over 100 ‘ Q proofs’ of Q predictions or photos of Trump on Air Force One etc - is that Q-anon is a team of military intelligence and probably as Q implies, the NSA as well - who have split from the globalist financial elites who run the ‘Empire’ and control the CIA and via Operation Mockingbird control the MSM too. Trump was the candidate of the Q team who represent nationalist US elite interests.

This Q (nationalist self described ‘patriot’) faction seems to be against arming the worst Islamist jihadists, against the highly organised trafficking of drugs, humans, organs and children. In particular against elite paedophile rings for blackmail- and according to Q there is a Satanic Child Sacrificial sect that involves aristocratic rich families and organisations atop the globalist faction. There is a traditional Christian ethos to Q.

Personally I see Q as too rightwing and still supporting imperial policies eg against Venezuela- however Q has said virtually nothing re Venezuela. But Q supports all Trump does (albeit implies some is shadow play) and socialism even to help poor people is never supported by Q.

Nonetheless it seems to be a far better faction than those who run the world from what many conspiracy researchers believe (and Q indicates) - the banking elite of Wall Street- City of London-Vatican-Switzerland BIS- IMF et al. Other factions that Q indicates to be mostly nefarious are Israel, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Doesn’t like China much either.

In summary the political structure of our world seems to have an official reality and a covert behind the scenes deeper reality that is more like organised crime syndicates and mafia families.

No wonder Joe and Jane Public like to say ‘I’m not a conspiracy theorist’. Trouble is, in the era of ‘Russiagate’ - now being exposed as a contrived fake news conspiracy as Trump (and Q outlined exactly who and how it was constructed over a year ago - confirmed by recent Congressional inquiries and articles in The Hill) said it was. So it’s increasingly the case that the only question for everyone is - not whether - but which conspiracy do you believe?

Posted by: PJB | Aug 8 2019 10:09 utc | 94


So was Tulsi Gabbard the only non-jewish member of the CFR?quite astonishing,isn't it?

Posted by: willie | Aug 8 2019 10:58 utc | 95

34#35# J.Swift,Karlof 1.

I agree with J.Swifts commentary from the first to the last word.Thanks,Karlof1.Indeed,I wonder where you find the time to read and write all of this.My self I spent my time between growing vegetables chopping wood for the wintertime,playing music,and preparing rehearsals,not to mention old bachelor boys domestic issues,and with all this me lacks time to even reasd all the articles that b provides us with and the mostly interesting comments.
About Sanders.I think his running mate would still be a war mongering socialism hyping kind of woman,or man.After two weeks in office Sanders would be victim to heart failure(induced of course,but never traceable),and then what?

Posted by: willie | Aug 8 2019 11:17 utc | 96

Hope is a manipulative tactic we should all be getting used to. Doesn't matter if it is Gabbard or Q.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 8 2019 11:22 utc | 97

Anyone know if there is any truth to this? Oilprice never struck me as anything but a US Fossil Fuel / Deep State mouthpiece in their analysis, but this one sounds a bit dumb to put out there without any sort of proof?

Posted by: EtTuBrute | Aug 8 2019 11:25 utc | 98

anybody got anything on this story?

Posted by: eagle eye | Aug 8 2019 11:46 utc | 99

willie @96

There are over 5,000 members of the CFR. There appear to be plenty of non-Jewish members of the CFR.

The CFR essentially is the US Foreign Policy establishment. A new President can't hope to have a positive effect of US foreign policy without understanding and engaging with the CFR.

Gabbard was what is called a Term Member of the CFR. Term membership lasts for 5 years. I believe that Gabbard's term started in 2013 and I would guess her Term has now ended.

Posted by: ADKC | Aug 8 2019 11:52 utc | 100

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