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August 2, 2019
Open Thread 2019-44
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With the INF Treaty now dead, here is an article that looks at which American defense contractors will benefit the most from Washington’s ongoing expansion of America’s nuclear weapons program: Posted by: Sally Snyder | Aug 2 2019 17:42 utc | 1 In response to the Israeli aerial and cruise missile attacks, why don’t the Syrians state the if a new attack occurs, that an Israeli military base in the Golan Heights or some other target will be attacked? Posted by: chet380 | Aug 2 2019 18:05 utc | 2 @b Posted by: Joost | Aug 2 2019 18:21 utc | 3 Humanity imprints upon the abstract and this explains us. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 2 2019 18:25 utc | 4 Joost : GOOD WORK ! Posted by: Featherless | Aug 2 2019 18:25 utc | 5 US Navy’s most expensive ship ever can’t get ammo to deck, can’t launch new F-35 fighters
During the years preceding WWII (1938-1945), FDR temporarily installed socialism in the USA and developed a “dual industry” in the country. The purpose of the dual industry is to develop a war economy which can be converted back to a “peacetime industry” when the war is over. The concept of dual industry is not revolutionary by itself and certainly wasn’t an American invention (the Soviets also applied this concept, hence the myth it spent 18% of its GDP in the military). However, the Americans were, by far, the ones who benefitted the most from it in the aftermath of WWII. How many barflies have Zarif’s Twitter in their favs? IMO, the world would be a better place if Lavrov also tweeted. Do check out Zarif’s latest as they’re quite good. Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 2 2019 18:40 utc | 7 vk @6– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 2 2019 18:59 utc | 8 While I am aware of Eric Zuesse being somewhat controversial to some people, I do concur with his assessment of the party that should be stripped of the ‘Democratic’ prefix. There is nothing democratic in this organization and its members are either willful stooges, or the most gullible people on earth – responsible for heinous crimes against humanity under the cover of ‘humanitarian aid’. Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 2 2019 19:08 utc | 9 The debate over Capitalism vs. Socialism is BS. The economies that work best are MIXED economies. Denmark, Sweden and Norway are prime examples. They’re always referred to as Socialist, but they have mixed economies, as are the U$A and Venezuela. Even Cuba and China are tinkering with a mixed economy. Posted by: ben | Aug 2 2019 19:22 utc | 10 Below is a link to a Xinhua.net posting about the US Fed holdings since the 2008 crash Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2019 19:36 utc | 11 An NBC News analysis of the main English-language news sites employed by Russia in its 2016 election meddling shows Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii……….. Posted by: Arioch | Aug 2 2019 19:54 utc | 12 div.comments-body { Posted by: Arioch | Aug 2 2019 19:56 utc | 13 Zerohedge has a story referencing the remarks of the Chinese Ambassador to the UN. Reportedly, he said that Beijing is not going to permit the Hong Kong protests to carry on in the manner to which we have become accustomed. Posted by: Tsar Nicholas | Aug 2 2019 20:18 utc | 14 I’m on an ipad mini, and this problem happens regularly, regardless of browsers. Fixing that would be GREAT. Posted by: Arioch | Aug 2 2019 20:26 utc | 15 Excellent discussion on Neo-liberalism. Posted by: ben | Aug 2 2019 20:37 utc | 16 Did a coup by Rosenstein just happen? Posted by: bjd | Aug 2 2019 20:44 utc | 17 @ben #10 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 2 2019 20:47 utc | 18 @ Posted by: ben | Aug 2 2019 19:22 utc | 10 Events in Hong Kong may be less about extradition laws and more about the upcoming election in Taiwan, where the two main candidates are largely identified with either the mainland or the USA. Using the HK protests to provoke a harsh reaction from the HK authorities and/or the Chinese government itself, provides a ready platform for the pro-American candidate. In light of this, the protests will likely continue indefinitely, including violent acts designed to provoke over-reaction. Posted by: jayc | Aug 2 2019 21:30 utc | 20 Posted by: james | Aug 2 2019 21:38 utc | 21 don’t know why that happened, but the link (s) bring you to the article.. Posted by: james | Aug 2 2019 21:39 utc | 22 I posted a recommendation on two books for this summer, but, I fear, as it got somehow long with the reviews translated, dissapeared into the ether… Posted by: Sasha | Aug 2 2019 21:57 utc | 23 When you win the Democratic Party debates and the MSM and BigTech and DNC go into overdrive against you, it suggests you are a rarity, a truth-telling candidate: Posted by: PJB | Aug 2 2019 22:26 utc | 24 interesting article from john helmer yesterday on russia and iran alliances in connection with navy and more… worth a read.. Posted by: james | Aug 2 2019 22:31 utc | 25 I use Opera Beta, it reflows the text to fit the page width. Posted by: p | Aug 2 2019 23:00 utc | 26 @ 18 & 19; Soooo What is it you folks don’t get about a MIXED economy? Posted by: ben | Aug 2 2019 23:04 utc | 27 good article from M. K. BHADRAKUMAR at indian punchline Posted by: james | Aug 2 2019 23:30 utc | 29 I will mention this again, to see what people here think, as they are intelligent people. I sent mails to russian and chinese authorities about tjis. Posted by: Passer by | Aug 2 2019 23:39 utc | 30 psychohistorian @11– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 2 2019 23:55 utc | 31 karlof1 | Aug 2 2019 23:55 utc | 31 Posted by: Passer by | Aug 3 2019 0:06 utc | 32 @ karlof1 with the response…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 3 2019 0:10 utc | 33 Passer by @30– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2019 0:19 utc | 34 psychohistorian @11 asked: “The concept of multilateralism is not completely clear to me in relation to the global public/private finance issue and I am not of faith but of questions….” Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 3 2019 0:28 utc | 35 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2019 0:19 utc | 34 Posted by: Passer by | Aug 3 2019 0:32 utc | 36 Latest Jimmy Dore show. More subterfuge from our corporate masters. Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2019 1:05 utc | 37 Passer by @36– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2019 1:17 utc | 38 William Gruff @35– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2019 1:18 utc | 39 @38 Posted by: Jonathan | Aug 3 2019 1:20 utc | 40 Kamala Harris (Dem.-AIPAC) goes full-bore Mccarthy after Tulsi Gabbard skewers her in the debates. After attacking Biden in the first debate with a proven winning argument (Racist!), Harris and her campaign now employ the other proven winning argument (Assad apologist! Putin Apologist!) all over the Twittersphere: suddenly #5 trending on Twitter is Assad(!), with MSM joining the frenzy to attack Gabbard. NPR’s approach is to never mention Gabbard’s name; maybe the only lesson they learned from the 2016 election is to not give coverage to a candidate they despise. https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/08/01/propagandists-are-freaking-out-over-gabbards-destruction-of-harris/ Posted by: kabobyak | Aug 3 2019 1:22 utc | 41 Another good essay on the push to take down Tulsi Gabbard: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-02/empire-coming-tulsi-gabbard Posted by: kabobyak | Aug 3 2019 1:48 utc | 42 @ William Gruff who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 3 2019 2:06 utc | 43 @8 Posted by: Jonathan | Aug 3 2019 2:09 utc | 44 Is the UK the next target of US disaster capitalism and its asset-stripping vulture capitalists? An article at TruePublica claims exactly this.
I especially liked some of the links to the crimes both underlying and undermining the Brexit push. I found the article courtesy of Strategic Culture but linked directly to TruePublica, as the source, and because some of the collateral includes their previous stories at the same site. Posted by: Grieved | Aug 3 2019 2:50 utc | 45 Let me go back to my spinning plate analogy in relation to late empire and narrative control/power projection Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 3 2019 2:53 utc | 46 re Posted by: Arioch | Aug 2 2019 20:26 utc | # 15 Posted by: A User | Aug 3 2019 3:15 utc | 47 The debate over Capitalism vs. Socialism is BS. The economies that work best are MIXED economies. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 3 2019 3:23 utc | 48 It’s oh-so-easy to fall for fake news Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 3 2019 3:24 utc | 49 It appears to me, a simple citizen of planet earth that the temporary joining together of both halves of the american empire party in order to prevent a fellow DC politician from being installed as the Director Intelligence will enter the history books as the classic example, the epitome of how the deep state or secret state or whatever this a-democratic & inhuman coalition of the ungood and the greedy is finally called. Posted by: A User | Aug 3 2019 3:40 utc | 50 737Max.—Boeing’s Secret Nightmare. Posted by: chu teh | Aug 3 2019 3:50 utc | 51 Adding to my comment @52 … Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 3 2019 4:05 utc | 52 @ 51 said; “We don’t need more mixed-up definitions of what constitutes a viable National Economy. We need whatever variety of National Economy we have at present to be strictly REGULATED for fairness and the Greater Good.” Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2019 4:10 utc | 53 P.S. Any service paid for collectively through taxes is Socialism. Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2019 4:17 utc | 54 jackrabbit @ 52 Posted by: dltravers | Aug 3 2019 4:33 utc | 55 Gabbard needs 130,000 donors ($2 will work) to qualify for the September debates; hope folks will step up, as she’s the strongest voice breaking the MIC/Neocon Narrative. Without her in the race, I’d predict those issues will disappear from the media and Presidential campaigns. Of course that’s the goal for those forces, but 2020 may be the best chance yet of bursting open that rotten fruit. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 3 2019 4:35 utc | 56 psychohistorian @49– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2019 5:15 utc | 58 Is Josh Rogin at The Washington Post paid by MIC to trash a current U.S.service member Gabbard ? Thank you for speaking Truth Tulsi. BDS !!! Free Assange and Manning. Moosad may hire him. Oh wait, AIPAC if not already. What Freshman D # R Congress Critters are going on all expense paid visit to Israel very soon? A free young women from Israeli Occupied area hopefully will be in the U.S. for maybe a year. BDS Posted by: chucknobomb | Aug 3 2019 5:21 utc | 59 c1ue @18
I don’t mind criticism of my country, because there is a lot to criticize. We are indeed small with a lot of natural resources. However, your understanding of history is incomplete wrt. Norway and WWII. Norway was occupied by the German Nazis for 5 years (April 9, 1940 – May 8, 1945). A member of my family were put in concentration camp style prison. If you call that “opportunistically assisting” your dictionary is different from mine. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 3 2019 5:45 utc | 60 @57 ben quote – “P.S. Any service paid for collectively through taxes is Socialism.” Posted by: james | Aug 3 2019 6:03 utc | 61 B team tries to go via Iraq and Israel Posted by: somebody | Aug 3 2019 6:34 utc | 62 Turkey, Russia and Iran’s joint statement rejects Kurds’ ‘separatist’ agenda in Syria
Kudish take on the US position
Posted by: somebody | Aug 3 2019 7:18 utc | 63 Ok. This explains why Israel tries to threaten Iraq,
Posted by: somebody | Aug 3 2019 7:39 utc | 64 The debate over Capitalism vs. Socialism is BS. The economies that work best are MIXED economies. by: ben @ 10 Posted by: snake | Aug 3 2019 7:41 utc | 65 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 3 2019 5:45 utc | 62 Posted by: somebody | Aug 3 2019 7:46 utc | 66 Piotr Berman @59 Posted by: kabobyak | Aug 3 2019 8:55 utc | 67 @ Grieved | Aug 3 2019 2:50 utc | 48 Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 3 2019 9:48 utc | 68 kabobyak #45 Posted by: d. | Aug 3 2019 10:31 utc | 69 d. @ 70 Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 3 2019 10:44 utc | 70 I used to think the Guardian couldn’t sink any further into hypocrisy but it has:
A few months back the Guardian was pushing for various organisations, including the British Labour Party, to adopt the IHRA definition to combat so-called anti-semitism. I don’t remember it suggesting then that the IHRA definition was controversial then. Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 3 2019 10:55 utc | 71 D. @ 70 Posted by: kabobyak | Aug 3 2019 10:58 utc | 72 @ karlof1 | Aug 2 2019 23:55 utc | 31
That definition sounds more like a treaty for common support, much like the treaties among the Axis and the treaties among the Alliance that led into both world wars. Now to take the time to read your essay and the intervening commentaries. Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 3 2019 11:08 utc | 73 Posted by: d. | Aug 3 2019 10:31 utc | 70 Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 3 2019 11:13 utc | 74 @ # 41 > “With the USAF and the military as a whole, increasing amounts of money are thrown at ever increasingly complex weapons systems yet performance in all sectors deteriorates while the ability to recruit also degrades. The problems are widely written…” Posted by: Walter | Aug 3 2019 11:27 utc | 75 C1ue @ 18: Posted by: Hor, Jennifer | Aug 3 2019 11:33 utc | 76 I would like to point to the following article ,for those who read French and are interested in the policies of the Macron regime towards protests from french citizens.It appeared on the website Agoravox,which offers a forum for anyone wanting to write and publish.Of course there are regular authors that publish on one specific subject,like Ukraine,or the Empire,but if you want- to write about gardening,or climate change ,you can do it.At the moment there is even an article of some iranian defending MEK,and an emirati author,who gives always a hallugenic view on middle-eastern events. Posted by: willie | Aug 3 2019 11:50 utc | 77 willie @78
The situation in France needs a lot more exposure. It seems the prohibition was unsuccessful, there is a big march ongoing (video) Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 3 2019 12:09 utc | 78 @70 Posted by: j | Aug 3 2019 12:39 utc | 79 @66 Posted by: j | Aug 3 2019 12:43 utc | 80 j@80 Posted by: kabobyak | Aug 3 2019 12:57 utc | 81 Hor, Jennifer @77: Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 3 2019 12:59 utc | 82 Anacharsis @ 71 and d @ 70 Posted by: dltravers | Aug 3 2019 13:30 utc | 83 >> As Caitlin Johnstone writes, the fact that Gabbard is under such attack Posted by: oglalla | Aug 3 2019 13:47 utc | 84 Posted by: dltravers | Aug 3 2019 13:30 utc | 84 Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 3 2019 13:48 utc | 85 RE Tulsi, other politicians, who to trust? Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 3 2019 13:50 utc | 86 Bemildred @ 87: Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 3 2019 13:56 utc | 87 Anacharsis @88: Well, on the one hand we have slid a long way downhill intellectually here, can’t deny it. Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 3 2019 14:11 utc | 88 An acting Russian diplomat on Russia’s motivation to intervene in the Syrian conflict and its relationship with the Syrian authorities. @ Posted by: Hor, Jennifer | Aug 3 2019 11:33 utc | 77 I know you’re addressing political-economy, but did you see this report about the continuing deterioration of USAF readiness, now below 70%? The accompanying chart shows USAF B-1 & B-2 strategic bombers at 51.75% & 60.7%, … Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 3 2019 14:22 utc | 91 The end of the Japan-South Korea love story: Tulsi, Elizabeth, and Bernie, any will do, lets see who gets traction when people start to pay attention again. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 3 2019 14:49 utc | 93 Karlof1 @ 31 Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 3 2019 14:49 utc | 94 The empire via the NYTimes has it’s knives out for Tulsi Gabbard doing a large front page hit piece spread on her today. Posted by: Stever | Aug 3 2019 14:51 utc | 95 Trump, being as ignorant as many commenters on this board who believe the political rhetoric and the white papers of the CPC while ignoring the reality on the ground Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 3 2019 14:51 utc | 96 VK @ 93 Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 3 2019 14:58 utc | 97 oglalla @85
Obama’s election and betrayal proved that this strategy doesn’t work. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 3 2019 15:24 utc | 98 @97 donkey Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 3 2019 15:35 utc | 99 |
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