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August 17, 2019

Long Range Attack On Saudi Oil Field Ends War On Yemen

Today Saudi Arabia finally lost the war on Yemen. It has no defenses against the new weapons the Houthis in Yemen acquired. These weapons threaten the Saudis' economic lifelines. This today was the decisive attack:

Drones launched by Yemen’s Houthi rebels attacked a massive oil and gas field deep inside Saudi Arabia’s sprawling desert on Saturday, causing what the kingdom described as a “limited fire” in the second such recent attack on its crucial energy industry.
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The Saudi acknowledgement of the attack came hours after Yahia Sarie, a military spokesman for the Houthis, issued a video statement claiming the rebels launched 10 bomb-laden drones targeting the field in their “biggest-ever” operation. He threatened more attacks would be coming.
New drones and missiles displayed in July 2019 by Yemen’s Houthi-allied armed forces

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Today's attack is a check mate move against the Saudis. Shaybah is some 1,200 kilometers (750 miles) from Houthi-controlled territory. There are many more important economic targets within that range:

The field’s distance from rebel-held territory in Yemen demonstrates the range of the Houthis’ drones. U.N. investigators say the Houthis’ new UAV-X drone, found in recent months during the Saudi-led coalition’s war in Yemen, likely has a range of up to 1,500 kilometers (930 miles). That puts Saudi oil fields, an under-construction Emirati nuclear power plant and Dubai’s busy international airport within their range.

Unlike sophisticated drones that use satellites to allow pilots to remotely fly them, analysts believe Houthi drones are likely programmed to strike a specific latitude and longitude and cannot be controlled once out of radio range. The Houthis have used drones, which can be difficult to track by radar, to attack Saudi Patriot missile batteries, as well as enemy troops.

The attack conclusively demonstrates that the most important assets of the Saudis are now under threat. This economic threat comes on top of a seven percent budget deficit the IMF predicts for Saudi Arabia. Further Saudi bombing against the Houthi will now have very significant additional cost that might even endanger the viability of the Saudi state. The Houthi have clown prince Mohammad bin Salman by the balls and can squeeze those at will.

The drones and missiles the Houthi use are copies of Iranian designs assembled in Yemen with the help of Hizbullah experts from Lebanon. Four days ago a Houthi delegation visited Iran. During the visit Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei for the first time publicly admitted that the Houthi have Iran's support:

"I declare my support for the resistance of Yemen's believing men and women ... Yemen’s people... will establish a strong government," state TV quoted Khamenei as saying in a meeting with the visiting chief negotiator of the Houthi movement Mohammed Abdul-Salam.

Khamenei, who held talks for the first time in Tehran with a senior Houthi representative, also called for "strong resistance against the Saudi-led plots to divide Yemen", the semi-official Fars news agency reported.

"A unified and coherent Yemen with sovereign integrity should be endorsed. Given Yemen’s religious and ethnic diversity, protecting Yemen’s integrity requires domestic dialogue," he said, TV reported.

The visit in Tehran proved that the Houthi are no longer an unrecognized, isolated movement:

Officials from Iran, Britain, France, Germany, and Italy, as well as Yemen’s Houthi Ansarullah movement, exchanged views about political resolution of the protracted war in the Arabian Peninsula country.

The meeting was held at the Iranian Foreign Ministry in Tehran on Saturday with delegations from Iran, Ansarullah and the four European countries in attendance.

The delegates at the meeting explained their respective governments’ views on the developments in Yemen, including political and battlefield developments as well as the humanitarian situation in the country.
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The delegates stressed the need for an immediate end to the war and described political means as the ultimate solution to the crisis.


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The war on Yemen that MbS started in March 2015 long proved to be unwinnable. Now it is definitely lost. Neither the U.S. nor the Europeans will come to the Saudis help. There are no technological means to reasonably protect against such attacks. Poor Yemen defeated rich Saudi Arabia.

The Saudi side will have to agree to political peace negotiations. The Yemeni demand for reparation payments will be eye watering. But the Saudis will have no alternative but to cough up whatever the Houthi demand.

The UAE was smart to pull out of Yemen during the last months. Its war aim was to gain control of the port of Aden. Its alliance with southern Yemen separatist who now control the city guarantees that. How long they will be able to hold on to it when Khamenei rejects a division of Yemen remains to be seen.

Today's attack has an even larger dimension than marking the end of the war on Yemen. That Iran supplied drones with 1,500 kilometer reach to its allies in Yemen means that its allies in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq have access to similar means.

Israel and Turkey will have to take that into consideration. U.S. bases along the Persian Gulf and in Afghanistan must likewise watch out. Iran has not only ballistic missiles to attack those bases but also drones against which U.S. missile and air defense systems are more or less useless. Only the UAE, which bought Russian Pantsir S-1 air defense systems on German MAN truck chassis(!), has some capabilities to take those drones down. The Pentagon would probably love to buy some of these.


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It was the U.S. use of stealthy drones against Iran that gave it a chance to capture one and to analyze and clone it. Iran's extensive drone program is indigenous and quite old but it benefited from technology the U.S. unintentionally provided.

All the wars the U.S. and its allies waged in the Middle East, against Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003), Lebanon (2006), Syria (2011), Iraq (2014) and Yemen (2015), ended up with unintentionally making Iran and its allies stronger.

There is a lesson to learn from that. But it is doubtful that the borg in Washington DC has the ability to understand it.

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More on Houthi drones - from June:

Cheap drones are changing the calculus of war in Yemen

Houthis use “quadcopter” style drones or toy aircraft like those sold on Amazon and fit them with cameras and bombs wrapped in ball bearings. They can maim and kill, said Bronk, but won’t win a war any time soon. ... “The Houthis face vastly more technologically capable opponents, but if you smuggle gear in behind their border, quad drones offer a really effective way of irritating an otherwise extremely well-defended opponent,” Bronk said.

“These little commercial drones won’t cause huge problems in terms of firepower, but they’re embarrassing, they cause a news story and it tells ordinary Saudis that they're not safe in their own country, all of which is a good, economical use of Houthi resources.”

Saudi Arabia says that arch-foe Iran has provided the Houthis with know-how, UAVs and other arms. Tehran denies this. The UN’s panel of Yemen experts has noted similarities between Houthi and Iranian drones and is investigating further.

For their part, the oil-rich Saudis and Emiratis use top-end gear, such as unarmed Predator XP drones, which are bought from the US, and Chinese-made Wing Loongs, which are deployed to surveil and assassinate Houthi leaders.

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For Wim Zwijnenburg, a drone expert for the Dutch peace group PAX, which has reported on the proliferation of cheap armed UAVs, the stakes are high, as Yemen has become the region’s “test-bed of drone warfare."

“It’s ironic that the country where drone warfare took off in 2002 turned out to be a Pandora’s box, as we see now many types and sizes of drones being deployed in various missions,” said Zwijnenburg, who also coordinates the European Forum on Armed Drones.

It is not "ironic". It is blowback.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 18 2019 14:22 utc | 101

Sasha, I think you got wrong info.
There are packed taxis day and night going through the border (at least in peace time), everyone has sold a sister or a daughter to someone there for a better marriage and helping the family and get petty jobs or cash for himself.
Hadramawt is hardcore Sunni, nothing to do with the Sanaa region.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 14:39 utc | 102

Sasha | Aug 18 2019 13:39 | 97

Agreed...

I am but a grateful but poor cousin to the intellectual titans here, so my approach is simple: sift through the article and comments and draw my own conclusions, and add value where I can (albeit it mostly ends up being in the form of comic relief as in #96 above)

To me, geopolitics is a vast ocean, and I barely know how to swim... so I come here for lessons

As a result I have no idea who all the trolls are... the comment at #59 seemed intellectual enough, but it did not sit well with me

My knowledge (or lack thereof) is divided into 4 camps:

1. known knowns
2. known unknowns
3. unknown knowns
4. unknown unknown

And in the theatre of world events my "divining rod", as it were, is simply "by their fruits you shall know them"

Thanks to MANY here and elsewhere (i.e. William Blum) the "fruits" of the Outlaw/Illegal/Demonic US Empire are as plain as day, to me, (#1 above) and so I am able to navigate their rubbish, and those affiliated with them, accordingly

However Russia, Syria, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Venzuela, Yemen, etc. fall into #2 above (or maybe even 3 or 4). And as such, all I have are their "fruits" to go on, and in that regard, they appear to be as you said, just interested in living in peace and getting along with their neighbors and the world community

And so without more concrete evidence I can't buy into the notion that *ALL* geopolitical actors are in on some grand con at the expense of all the little, powerless people of the world

Posted by: xLemming | Aug 18 2019 14:47 utc | 103

The U.S. was fought to a standstill in Iraq with locally produced IEDs.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 18 2019 15:02 utc | 104

Three recent analyses from FDD on Houthi missiles, drones and naval attacks.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 18 2019 15:05 utc | 105

@Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 14:39 utc | 106

I find hard to believe that anyone in Yemen would sell its sister or daughter, not the impression I had there. And the country was already quite poor...
These people do not sell their own...deos not fit with their sense of family ties..

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 15:06 utc | 106

@xLemming #96
The use of 3D printing for warfare is not new at all.
ISIS is well known for extensive use of 3D printing to create new or extend existing weapons systems capabilities - this is a long and detailed article on the ways by which they did so.
In fact, the entire 3D printing --> ISIS weapons arc is instructive. The first reports of ISIS using 3D printing to create weaponized drones appeared in 2016. Soon after, a flood of articles saying it wasn't 3D printing, it was injection molding, the drones weren't a serious threat, etc etc including by such objective firms like Bellingcat /sarc.
The above article appeared in late 2017. Note that that article talks not about drones per se, but primarily the use of 3D printing to create custom sized mortars with tenth of a millimeter tolerances; standardized fuses shared between bomblets, mortars and rockets; and modified RPGs to make them easier to use in urban/indoor settings (where they're normally really dangerous even to the user).

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 18 2019 15:15 utc | 107

sorry, i did not mean it literally, but you know, there is a dowry system and it is only through family relations that you find jobs. this is not only in Yemen, and any tribal system makes it worse.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 15:28 utc | 108

@Posted by: Ralph | Aug 18 2019 13:47 utc | 99

The worrying prospect Madsen is painting in his article is the one desired by the US/Israel/KSA, the split of Yemen into tiny sultanats/emirates who will rely on the same actors to keep on power and will truncate any hope of development for Yemen. These sultanats/emirates would compete into offering their tiny territories for US/UK military bases.
This way, with the territory of Yemen fragmented, along with its military, Yemen will we damned for ever. Notice that the Houthis only claimed a fair share in representative organs of government, not the control of Yemen... Yemen should remain unite, or at maximum split into the tow states it was in the past.

Notice that that was the outcome desired also for Syria and Iraq, and for extension for the rest of the world ( see "Federalization of Europe" and the forces behind this project, European Liberal Group ( ALDE ) and Soros´varied ONGs and its support for various independentist movements and Brexit, and the like, movements...even when they seem to oppose each other... ).

While we are big, we are more difficult to pressure, while we are associated in win-win cooperation, war have less opportunities to surge/resurge. Going into tiny regions would leave us at the mercy of mercenarie´s armies and would remit us to the medieval times of feudal lords.

Just imagine such future in the verge of economic/resoruces collapse...it is not difficult to preview that it will the law of the strongest which will prevail, as the US is already trying to imposse on all us....

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 15:47 utc | 109

If you look at the history of Houthi military capability over the period of the Yemen war, I would say it is closely mirrored by US pressure on Iran and Iran's capability and incentive to counter that pressure.

Throughout most of the Yemen war, Iran was in a position where openly providing military support to the Houthis would adversely affect Iran's strategic position and increase the risks of military strikes by the US/Israel. Notwithstanding the strong military and especially missile defences (and offensive capabilities) Iran has shown in the last month or so (and which it must have had for some time to the extent of gradually building them up), during the Obomber period under the nuclear accord Iran had very strong vested interests in not upsetting the boat, and largely refrained from supporting the Houthis beyond - so it appears - a little diplomatic and political support. At that time the Houthi's were using indigenous expertise including ancient stocks of missiles to adapt what missiles they had, with some but exremely limited success.

Once Trump started turning the screws on Iran and unilaterally withdrew from the nuclear accord, US ability to put pressure on Iran was largely destroyed - and the more so the more economic pressure the US put against Iranian interests.

A while ago (one or two years?) the Houthis first started launching missiles against Saudi airports. A UN report analysed the debris from one such missile, which actually showed that the missile was from old missile stocks known to be in Yemeni stocks in the 1980's - but the US twisted the report and claimed it proved Iran was supplying arms to Yemen in contravention of a UNSC arms embargo on Yemen. At the same time however, the US was destroying Iran's strategic interest in restraint from providing military support for the Houthis.

At that time here on MoA I predicted that the more the US use illegal means to try to corner Iran, and try to destroy Iran's legitimate strategic interests, the less disincentive Iran would have in providing effective military support to the Houthis, and the stronger the Houthis would get. Why on earth should Iran refrain from military support for the Houthis if the US block all possible benefits of restraint from such support, and so aggressively attack Iran's sovereignty and legitimate strategic interests - and then distort/falsify UN reports to falsely try to prove that Iran is providing military support to the Houthis (while the US is demonstrably providing military support for the forces of aggression in Yemen, equally illegally but also reprehensibly immorally)?

Looking at the military technology the Houthis have shown off since then, my prediction has been very much borne out. With every single major escalation the US/UK have made against Iran, we can find a matching escalation in Houthi military capability. The final breaking of the camel's back was the withdrawal of oil sanctions waivers and the UK piracy against Grace I, combined with a long tirade of threats of direct military aggression against Iran - the result was this game-changing advance of the Houthis. The Iranian successes in downing the US drone and in forcing the British navy to hold back while Iran captured the British tanker would also have been an important factor in the Houthi developments, by boosting Iranian confidence that they can successfully control military escalation.

The Houthi advances really are a game-changer in international politics, in so many ways. Many political situations are asymmetrically altered (not only, unfortunately, in positive ways - no doubt the US will donate similar capabilities to al Qaida soon). But certainly overwhelmingly in favour of the axes of resistence against the Empire.

We can expect Russia also to take geostrategic advantage of this Houthi advance - not least in realignment of Russia's relationship with the Houthis. The Houthis are suddenly becoming internationally "respectable"; perhaps they are on their way to international recognition as a legitimate regional strategic interest. Who would have expected a conference in Tehran of representatives of UK, France, Germany, Italy and Iran with Houthi representatives? I could never understand Russia's reticence in supporting the Houthis, but that reticence must surely be dissolving fast now under the conjunction of Russia's security proposals for the Middle East (actually the Persian Gulf, but it will broaden soon enough), the nascent and rising recognition of the Houthis as a legitimate strategic force, the Houthis' unquestionable role in forcing the multinational realignments in the Middle East that have led to virtually all Middle Eastern countries supporting Russia's security proposals, and the massive potential geostrategic benefits to Russia of an alliance with Yemen (including possible access to their former military base in Aden). Surely the time will come soon when we will see Russian support for recognition of a coalition government in Yemen based on the Houthis?

Posted by: BM | Aug 18 2019 15:50 utc | 110

@Posted by: c1ue | Aug 18 2019 15:15 utc | 111

That 3D astonishing production by ISIS harshly contrast with the information given by Yakov Kedmi in a Vesti News video I viewed weeks ago about "sales" of weapons that took place to supply ISIS...
He was pointing out that it is easy to buy weapons in the "black market" when you have unlimited funds...

I do not know why, but I tend to believe this man with respect the way ISIS is supplied....

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 15:54 utc | 111

xLemming @107: You are on solid ground, it is always safe to assume assertions of omnipotence, omniscience, total control, etc. are bluster, posturing, and likely a reflection of worry about "weakness". When you really are strong, you don't need to bully anybody. Contrast Putin or Xi's behavior and demeanor with the Trumpoids and the point becomes obvious.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 18 2019 15:55 utc | 112

@ BN 114
excellent analysis
Regarding "I could never understand Russia's reticence in supporting the Houthis" go here for info on Russia-Saudi ties.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 18 2019 16:01 utc | 113

sorry, i did not mean it literally, but you know, there is a dowry system and it is only through family relations that you find jobs. this is not only in Yemen, and any tribal system makes it worse.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 15:28 utc | 112

If you did not want to mean that literally, then do not state that as if it were a well based information who you, moreover, affirm a Yemeni friend provides you with...You are making it worst each time, what gives me the impression you only try to slander Yemen here....Another USAF troll?

There is no need to have familiy relations for a Yemeni to find a job in KSA since there is plenty of jobs in KSA which the Saudis, a rich society, in comparisson, accustomed to not paying taxes ever, never will do, as construction workers, cleaners, drievers, and so on...Just the same jobs the Ukrainians are currently doing in Poland and East Europe...

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 16:01 utc | 114

Actually there was a large scale expulsion of Yemenis from Saudi Arabia in 2013 under the Nitaqat Program. It is estimated some 600,000 Yemeni workers were kicked out of Saudi Arabia as seen here in this paper.

This may have has something do do with re-fueling the war. It is recognized that the remittances were a major source of support for Yemeni families. This war dates back to 2004 and partly started because...

The current reasons for the war in Saada bear little resemblance to the causes of the initial outbreak of fighting in 2004. Then, the
conflict was driven by a sense of sectarian marginalization, economic underdevelopment, and displeasure at governmental policies on cooperation with the United States and Saudi Arabia.

A background paper is found here that covers up to 2010

More research is needed. Maybe Iran has stepped in to provide a wage for fighters that they can find nowhere else. This seems to be the a source of income all over the region for poor people on both sides helping to fuel the regional conflicts. Throw in some cheap small arms and you have a ready made out of the box militia to turn to some use for you regional political aims.


Posted by: dltravers | Aug 18 2019 16:12 utc | 115

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 14:08 utc | 102

I agree with Mina, you got the wrong info.

The border is artificial.

n 1934, Saudi Arabia annexed three provinces that belonged to Yemen: Jizan, Najran, and Asir. Suddenly, Yemeni tribes living in those areas found themselves living in Saudi Arabia. Some even found themselves straddling the border. This charged history has generated tensions between Saudi authorities and tribes living in the border regions.

These tensions were at least partially caused by the marginalisation and the lack of development projects in the region. Many of the tribes who live on the border are followers of Isma’ilism, a branch of Shiia Islam [Editor’s Note: In Jizan, however, most of the tribes follow Sunni Islam]. Saudi authorities are afraid that these religious similarities may lead them to sympathise with Houthi rebels.

Saudi Arabia is not a homogenous "Sunni" power, Shia and Ismailis are presumably some 20 percent of the population. You are correct, they are second class but they are Saudi and inhabit the oil rich regions and the border to Yemen.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 18 2019 16:13 utc | 116

@Sasha #115
If you read the article posted, you would have learned that ISIS wasn't manufacturing its ordnance entirely from scratch.
They were using 3D printing to upgrade existing armaments to greater capability - turning 81mm mortars into larger throw weight ones, for example. The article also specifically talks about serial numbers for RPGs sold by Romania to the United States - that wound up in ISIS' hands (and were subsequently modified).
3D printing doesn't help with volume production: of explosives, for example. But it can turn generation old technology into something much closer to modern or can create ammunition for obsolete or custom weapons systems which otherwise would be supply chain constrained.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 18 2019 16:20 utc | 117

Bemildred | Aug 18 2019 15:55| 116

Many thanks... couldn't agree more

The wheels definitively fell off the ZATO bus (to borrow a PaveWayIV term) in 2012 when my indoctrinated- since-childhood-"enemy" Russia conducted themselves more diplomatically WRT Syria's supposed CW's than the self-proclaimed "shining city on a hill", whose "cowboy" diplomacy was laid bare for what it really is: bombing/sanctioning/bullying countries into submission that don't do as they say.

Admittedly those "wheels" were wobbling well before then...

I have since come to admire the courage, comport & intellectual honesty of the likes of Putin, Xi, Assad, Zarif, and others. Not to say any of them are perfect - they are not - but knowing there are still adults on the world stage helps me sleep at night (unlike the demonic toddlers in the West)

And thanks too c1ue | Aug 18 2019 15:15 | 111

Posted by: xLemming | Aug 18 2019 16:20 utc | 118

@Posted by: somebody | Aug 18 2019 16:13 utc | 120

And what that has to do with what I am talking about? That she affirms you need familiy inflience/ties to get a job in Yemen and that the Yemenis go over there selling their sisters/daughters?

Do not try to fool me and missdirect the people into believe what I said is wrong by giving the reason to Mina when what you are talking about and what she was, are different things/information...

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 16:25 utc | 119

@Posted by: Sasha | August 18, 2019 at 16:25

I wanted to mean, aove. "That she affirms you need family influence/ties to get a job in KSA..." of course...

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 16:26 utc | 120

@Posted by: dltravers | Aug 18 2019 16:12 utc |

Nothing to do with what you are saying, the war in Yemen does not come as a result of any kicking of Yemeni workers in KSA, but as a result of US/Israel need of dominating oil production and transport routes so as to be able to blackmail the rest of the world, as they are losing their grip...
They were trying to achieve that goal by installing a puppet government in the whole Yemen, in fornt of that impossibility, they now have turned to splittin Yemen into tiny sultanats...

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 16:35 utc | 121

@Posted by: c1ue | Aug 18 2019 16:20 utc | 121

Yeah...but no need to read the article to rebuke what you was suggesting, since so far, the whole arsenals seized by the SAA/Russians from ISIS showed always the trade marks "Made in US", "Made in Israel" and even "Made in Ukrainian"....

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 16:39 utc | 122

@Sasha | Aug 18 2019 15:47 utc | 113

The saudis have become arrogant like the yanks, and think that they too, can just attack another country and get away with it, without adverse consequences. They have been given a bloody nose by the Houthis, and it could get uglier for them; they deserve it.

@dltravers | Aug 18 2019 16:12 utc | 119

I wouldn't take much notice of the shitty yank carnegie endowment (in your link), at best they are suspect, at worst they would be involved to some extent.

Posted by: Ralph | Aug 18 2019 16:41 utc | 123

@ Sasha who is against the Divide and Conquer strategies of empire

It is heartening to read your defense of people in the ME trying to throw off the yoke of empire colonialism.

You have China/Russia and other countries on your side and I no longer think it is a matter of if, but only when, the Axis of Evil (US/UK/Israel based on global private finance will be overthrown

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2019 16:54 utc | 124

Sasha @ 125

Nothing to do with what you are saying, the war in Yemen does not come as a result of any kicking of Yemeni workers in KSA, but as a result of US/Israel need of dominating oil production and transport routes so as to be able to blackmail the rest of the world, as they are losing their grip...

They have been fighting in different forms and for different reasons since the British left in the '60's. This is just another day in the region. As the tanker war in the '80's did little to disrupt oil routes so will control of this route. While oil is still a key commodity oil is slowly becoming irrelevant in world seeking to decouple from oil and CO2 emissions.

The key is weakening and taking out the Saudis. If Iran can help take out the Saudis then the whole regional dynamic changes. Everyone has an angle and the competing angles used poverty and discontent to fuel their aims.

None of use can be so sure of what is going on, all we can do is plow through relevant sources and speculate.

Posted by: dltravers | Aug 18 2019 16:55 utc | 125

BM @114--

Agreed! We think along the same lines and arrive at similar conclusions. IMO, strategically, Russia's collective security proposal is not only pragmatic, it's popular--and it caught the Outlaw US Empire flatfooted without any readily available rebuttal.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2019 16:57 utc | 126

Why do their guys always fight better than our guys? Because our guys are fighting for us, and their guys are fighting for their country. It never fails.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 18 2019 16:57 utc | 127

Don Bacon | Aug 18 2019 16:57 | 131

If I may respectfully amend your comment:

> Because our guys are fighting for misguided/false-patriotism or money or simply a psychopathic desire to kill/maim (just look at who make up MOST of the military/police in the West)... and if they didn't do it, there would actually be peace in the world

> And their guys are fighting for their country, their families, freedom, liberty, self-preservation... 'cos if they didn't do it, they and all they hold dear would die

Very different motivations... and most of the sane world applauds and supports the latter - the former surely are nothing but pitied and despised

Posted by: xLemming | Aug 18 2019 17:13 utc | 128

Sasha, i ve been to Hadramawt and I don't talk by hearsay. My friend just told me about where she travelled from. In Egypt too you will find families who survive only because they have a relative, usually a woman, in KSA. Then only, a brother gets a job there too, and it helps a lot.
You know what a dowry system mean in a society where people don't eat?

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 17:17 utc | 129

They have been fighting in different forms and for different reasons since the British left in the '60's.

@Posted by: dltravers | Aug 18 2019 16:55 utc | 129

Yeah..and that is because of the Yemenis, not because the UK, and through them the US ( as we clearly witness today with the tankers war and Johnson´s next US satrapy )did never stop trying to return to such strategic point of the globe...

The Yemenis do not fight each other, as they did not do the Syrians, unless they are, in their ignorance, shaken by certain greedy elements with spurious interests. I visited both, Yemen and Syria, in peace times, and both were living quite peacefully and in absolute harmony with each other, in spite of their religious and tribal differences/varietyv, which, for that matter have existed there since immemorial times....

Syria was doing quite better than the always hijacked by US/UK´s puppet elites, Yemen. All in all, the only warnings at the time I visited Yemen were about kidnapping of tourists some abandoned tribes mainly in the North were doing from time to time so as to press the government into providing them with things like water and electricity. To give a measure of the warring people you try to paint here, my own travel guide was saying that there were cases of kidnapped tourists who were so well treated that they have asked for addtional days to stay...amongst the kidnappers, I mean...
Another warning there was in my travel guide, was about Shihara, of which it was said its inhabitants soemtimes recieved forigners by throwing stones....we were in the way of aproximation making jokes about what tactic we would use to get into the village...advancing in zig zag was suggested amongst the general laugh and solace travelling in such hospitable and astonishingly beautiful country could only provoke in young people...In the end we were received, as happened in almost every village we visited, by the children of the village, who without saying a word or asking for anything procceded to hold everyones hands to get us into the village...They then accompanied us the same way the next day to the limits of the village, once passed the Shihara bridge, and the descent through the mountain starts ...

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 17:19 utc | 130

Btw, in 1991, when Yemen sided with Iraq against the US and Kuwait, it was 1 million Yemenis who were kicked out with their families from KSA. They imported Wahhabism with them when they returned.
But on top of that, LOTS, i mean LOADS of families in KSA have Yemeni roots. It has been going on forever. Wadi Hadramawt is directly connected to KSA more than KSA is to KSA... These are the natural borders not the artificial ones.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 17:20 utc | 131

Sasha, i was speaking of getting a job in KSA, because frankly, it gives you an income, unlike a Yemeni job.
even in Yemen, you get a job through 'family', ie, tribe, one reason of the mess there is that when the central gov wants to build a road somewhere, the shaykh of the tribe where this road is will ask the gov to take 50 boys of his tribe as soldiers/guards, whatever. Of course that do not apply for someone from a good family who has a diploma. But then, you still need a host to work in any Gulf country, and to have a relative married in a Gulf family helps. On top of that, KSA men think that Egyptian women, for ex., are good and efficient mothers who know how to run a household.
As to 'sell' i mean that in traditional very poor families in Yemen or in Egypt but that would be true elsewhere as well, the girl has no much say about whom she is going to be married to.
Some fathers simply take the dowry for their personal benefits rather than use it to get the girl some clothes or things useful for the house. nothing new here either, and nothing specific in fact.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 17:27 utc | 132

@Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2019 16:54 utc | 128

Thanks so much, it´s heartening as well to read your support, especially amongst such flood of Empire´s minions here trying to discredit Yemen and Iran...

I do not only fight for the ME to throw off the yoke of Empire´s colonalism but of my own country and for extension the whole of Europe.
I have the hope of in my life time see the USAF going out of my country.

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 17:31 utc | 133

Ref 'Yemenis don't fight each other'
.... that's probably why there was more Kalashnikov in the country than the actual number of citizens, just 20 years ago,
and that's also why Yemenis have always formed some important contingents whenever there was jihad somewhere (conveniently shipped by KSA to Bosnia and Chechenia, as cheap recruits, like of Sudanese today).

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 17:40 utc | 134

They imported Wahhabism with them when they returned.

There is no way any Yemeni ( except for a greedy one only wanting to sell its ocuntry to foreign power ) would import anything from KSA, the least Wahabbism, which is an anti-Islamic invent of the Saudis to throw muslims against each other so as to control and sell the ME to US/UK/Israel and avoid the natural result in a developed muslim society that would be the overthrowing of dictatorial rule, like it is that of the Saudis and Bahreinis.

What you are right in is in that KSA and Yemen borders blurr, and that many Saudi people, amongst them the Bin Laden, are original from Yemen. Well, Yemen is the only original culture of those lands, who were all originally part of the ancient Kingdom of Saba. KSA is a UK creation, in the at the time newly discovered oil fields and as a strategic outpost to protect Israel and, as we know increasingly by more and more information appearing, to advance the project of Greater Israel under US/UK dominance...

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 17:42 utc | 135

Sasha @ 134
The Yemenis do not fight each other

The place has been wracked by civil wars for decades. Yemeni Civil War

It was split into North Yemen and South Yemen for many years. These are just basic facts.

The whole manipulation angle and the interests of the manipulating parties is speculation but fairly easy to thresh out with time. the Suez is easily bypassed by VLCC's with a slightly higher cost of shipping.

See..

Ships Are Bypassing the Suez and Panama Canals Because Oil Is So Cheap

And...

Suez Canal Extends Toll Cuts for Crude Carriers

One wonders....


Posted by: dltravers | Aug 18 2019 17:48 utc | 136

As well as ISIS had no need of printing hospitals in 3D technology ot be treated, they are in no need of printing anything. Neither they need to print 3D helicopters with which to be transported into the different US fronts in Afghanistan and everywhere.

This is why a not printed in 3D Trump menaced Europe with unleashing thousand of "militants" ( notice thet euphemism...)if Europe do not agree in allowing them into voluntarily, to shape Gladio B.

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 17:53 utc | 137

@Posted by: dltravers | Aug 18 2019 17:48 utc | 140

What part of the Yemeni Civil Wat taking part during the last Cold War you refuse to understand? Being Yemen part of the battlefield, as it was Europe during WWII...

The Suez Canal and Panama Canal are under governments who, for no slight reason, have been tried to be overthrown by the US several times already ( US Invasion of Panam and frist color revolution of Arab Spring comes to mind...at first glance...)

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 18:02 utc | 138

... that's probably why there was more Kalashnikov in the country than the actual number of citizens, just 20 years ago

@Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 17:40 utc | 138

There you show your absolute ignorance of anything related to Yemen and your propagandist aims, along with your collaborators here, since Kalashnikov in Yemen is like jambiya, part of the dressing, more related to concepts of manhood than to defense against other Yemenis. If they were such belicose, and not the kindhearted people they are, and not were so slowed by the excesive consum of Qat, they would have overthorwn their unfair governments several times already, and would not have have swallowed them through decades.

For the same reason we should then understand the US citizens are always fighting each other...

Of ourse, that ammount of weapons in the hands of citizenry have played an important role once faced with foreign invasion.

and that's also why Yemenis have always formed some important contingents whenever there was jihad somewhere (conveniently shipped by KSA to Bosnia and Chechenia, as cheap recruits, like of Sudanese today)

Oh, you are clearly a troll, there have not been any Yemeni mercenary caught amongst the US takfiri jihad against the ME, China, Russia, but mainly from Colombia, Nigeria, Sudan, Chechenia, Uzbekistan, Uygur Xingiang and, of course, the US/UK/Israel/France...


The "Private Jihadist Security Company" Malhama Tactital announces the death of its leader Abu Salman Belarus, whose real identity is the Uzbek Abu Rofiq.
His successor will be the Chechen Ali al-Shishani.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1162664308851007489

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 18:20 utc | 139

@Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 17:17 utc | 133

Women do not migrate in Yemen, if not out of the still retrograde women condition there.
It is the males who do it.
Your "friend" is probably a US asset....

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 18:27 utc | 140

haha... you are really getting ridiculous. she did not migrate, she travelled to visit your daughter and will go back because people who have an old mother and other relatives to take care of do not migrate. and last year instead it was her daughter visiting her, so yes indeed some people do pay to take a sit in these cairo or amman planes to yemen.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 18:45 utc | 141

@Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 18:45 utc | 145

Still it is her daughter, who according to your account, have migrated, then, something quite more improbable, being a young Yemeni woman....
To be able to buy flights from Cairo or Amman to Yemen these have to be, not average Yemenis, but especial ones...while the rest of their country is bankrupt out of the war unleashed on them...
I tell you, a traitor, a KSA/US asset....Hence she is your friend, since no Yemeni patriot would have any friendship whith such Yemenophobe as you have demsontrated here you are.

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 19:00 utc | 142

@Mina

I am done with you and dltravers.

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 19:02 utc | 143


A nice article by David Macilwain exposing UAE peace and withdrawal charade for what it is.

https://ahtribune.com/world/3403-yemen-and-iran-share-their-intelligence.html

Trusting MBZ and the pathetic ruling family in UAE is probably the worst thing any of his foes, and even allies, can do. That goes for the rest of the so-called “gulf monarchies”.

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 18 2019 19:36 utc | 144

Minor correction: Gould's column was in Natural History, not Smithsonian Magazine.

Posted by: Ted Cloak | Aug 18 2019 20:04 utc | 145

Sasha # 56

I perked up when you mentioned the Unz review which I check on every day. It has some astonishing good articles, most written by Ron himself, but also includes quite a few "intelligence" articles that purport to scrutinize "intelligence" research which all tend to downgrade any (or most) but white Europeans as the apex of intelligence and cultural attainment. I have some time ago recognized the genre and just pass them by to wait for the more Intelligent articles.

Chu Teh @22 starts off the idea and I thank him/her for his/her reference post.

I am not in any sense a multiculturalist but I do respect other cultures and and the people that populate them. All contribute to the human journey if somewhat based on the teachings of Buddha, Jesus, Mohammad or any other of the sages that understood the human condition and our relationship to the all.

Thank you.

Posted by: juannie | Aug 18 2019 20:12 utc | 146

Thank you for posting C I Eh? you often have interesting comments. Some comments function as canaries in the coalmine.

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To me the lesson b talks about has an old name: evolutionary pressure. It's not at all a simple lesson or concept, it has plenty of positive and negative feedback going in every direction.

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People always have a say, and usually speak without realizing it, but it's not some spell of wizardry and seldom anything nice. Millions of people can say the same thing but mean entirely different things, if nothing else then by the changing references of "me" and "I" and "you".

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 18 2019 21:01 utc | 147

There was fighting in the Yemen so long as the British were there. The divide between North and South had its origins in the British Protectorate which was basically to protect the port of Aden. The fighting has continued, for various reasons, in a series of wars since the British left.

Yemenis are world travellers: the Hadramhaut was the source of much Arab trade with India and the east. The current Prime Minister of Malaysia is the descendant of a Mukalla merchant who settled in the east. Islam was carried to Indonesia from the Hadramhaut. In recent years Yemenis have settled in large numbers in both the UK (a world boxing champion Prince Naseem came to Sheffield from Yemen, I believe that Kid Galahad was also Yemeni) and the US.

In 1962, when the Yemen Republic was formed by Nasserite soldiers, it was the Zaidi Imam who lost power and, in the subsequent Civil War were supported by the UK, the USA, Saudi Arabia and Israel. It was while the Egyptian armed forces were heavily engaged in defence of the Republic that Israel attacked the Egyptian and Syrian forces in the Six Day war-which led to the current occupation of the West Bank and Golan. Then, as now, the imperialist military was largely composed of highly paid mercenaries, many of them temporarily seconded from the British army.
Now the Zaidis (called Houthis) are on the other side. Apart from that-and the end of Nasserism- not much has changed.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 18 2019 21:39 utc | 148

"the '80's did little to disrupt oil routes. While oil is still a key commodity oil is slowly becoming irrelevant in world seeking to decouple from oil and CO2 emissions."


I for one disagree wholeheartedly on this suggestion. Oil is slowly becoming more relevant as the world seeks to decouple from it but how? can it? no amount of solar panels or windmills are made from hand-worked pieces, they are all made from OIL or manufactured and powered by it! so it is quite the opposite. the internet will not help on this field. now will anyone care for it until it is gone, except those in power.


Now, Iran has their straits.
USA wants vietnam to squeeze the straits before.
Saudi wants theirs straits too but yemen stands still.

if the Houthis want this war to end immediately, they should just drone attack selected oil tankers coming to the two to three ports for this reason. as no amount of iron dome or pantsirs or whatever can stop drone attacks on tankers near coastal waters. hitting the refineries could push oil prices to too high a price, and affect all of humankind including themselves. i am quite sure that is what Iran and yemen were speaking over, as their locations are similar in a strategic sense.

Posted by: jason | Aug 18 2019 23:48 utc | 149

@psychohistorian from the previous thread..

will write for myself and say that b has written time and time again not to feed the trolls because it makes his management job harder and so between that and not wanting to clutter up the comment thread with pissing matches

It is rich to see state sponsered sayanim trolls such as yourself claiming to be authentic participants. Authentic participants do not have unlimited time to monitor these threads and systematically manipulate the conversations in the way that you and your cadres always do. They do not engage in trickery, such as comment sliding (posting 30 comments of bullshit after a post appears revealing uncomfortable facts). They do not attempt to single out other individual commenters as 'loons' without ever daring to engage with the information presented. I invite you to engage with any of the links I have posted over the last couple days, but we know you will not because in doing so you reveal yourself and demonstrate your hypocrisy.

What you and your Security State Apparatus co-workers do is create noise and distraction so the most essential aspects of what is occurring: i.e. containing information highlighting the contradictions and crimes of Globalist-Gangster Intelligence system, are not noticed by more casual participants.

The Truth has a certain feel to it, so when people hear it it sticks in their brain.

Have a nice day;)

Posted by: C I eh? | Aug 19 2019 2:04 utc | 150

@dltravers #129
As @jason #152 said, the notion that oil is "slowly becoming irrelevant" is completely unhinged from reality.
The amount of oil that the world is consuming has been going up quite steadily for decades. Yes, there has been the occasional dip, but those are associated with worldwide recessions rather than technology or alternative energy.
Here's one of many graphs
World consumption was 76.8 million barrels per day in 2000, 63.5 million barrels per day in 1990, and 99.2 million barrels per day in 2018. 2019 is projected to pass 100 million barrels per day.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 19 2019 2:19 utc | 151

Selling the bear before having killed it. Several days passed and the saud still there. I am quite confident these slow low flying drones will change nothing but boost Rahteon sales. As of the 15m$ Pantsir, it failed to engage and defends itlsef against 3 80k Israelis drones. Maybe assad you consider buying Iron Dome. If you pay attention to what is happening in syria, you 'll noticed that the air defense have constently failed to secure aiirport and warhouses while we don't see the iranian missiles hitting into Israel. Any thought on it ?

Posted by: murgen | Aug 19 2019 10:42 utc | 152

@13
I call this:
'The Agenda beyond the Agenda'
I bet all of you are familiar with the type of political movies which begins by showing an agenda being deployed, but at the end of the movie a deeper more secretive agenda is reviled. Well today, I am going to revile to you the secretive agenda beyond what you are observing in the geopolitical arena. Please take what is presented here and try to see what is happening in geopolitics today from this perspective and then you will see that everything would make sense.

Now to start I like to remind you of how Israel was formed and how the West before formation of Israel had mostly antisemitic views; now we are not going to talk about why it was, we just want to see what happened. So, as the result of this condition (antisemitic views), western countries such as England decided to promote and implement the idea of the creation of Israel, which by doing so would remove most of Jewish people from many countries. A vision that was implemented and materialized and to a good degree did what it was supposed to do.

But this does not end here; so now, let us see what was the underlying agenda: the argument presented here asserts that the West (meaning those in the West who drive the geopolitical agendas) did not lose their antisemitic views, and in fact they had a secret agenda and their ultimate goal is destruction of Israel and eventually removing large Jewish population.
We shall now, look at the bases for this argument: first let us look at the image that West with the help of Israeli rulers have helped to create for Israel from its inception to today; you would see highly dislikable and aggressive policies and actions. This is a West driven agenda, an agenda that creates a negative opinion against the Jewish State, and creates the bases for the second part of the plan; which is creation of enemies for the Jewish State, enemies that for the right cause will look to destroy it.
That is were Iran comes to play; Iran today has been driven to play the enemy role, by years of preparation and anticipation by the West. We should note however, this has not happened over night and it has taken years of preparation and politics. However, as we get closer to ultimate realization of the plan you get to see the underlying agenda more clearly.

It is understandable that many may dismiss this argument, but if we look at how current Iranian Government as well as Israeli State were created and how each were driven to their current position, you would see that West had a major role in this formation.

If you recall, current Iranian Government came to power by Western propagandas against the Shah Government and in fact it was English and French governments who helped elevate the Khomeini as a figure to be the leader. Khomeini was a figure that West knew with a good push will go against the policies of the State of Israel.

Hopefully by now you see the reasons for how things are developing. It is also important to note the following two important points: first the European Nations do not want a powerful aggressive Israeli State. It is only matter of time that Israel with their current attitude will threaten their existence.
Second, Donald Trump is playing a major role in realization of the ultimate agenda, by creating a deplorable image for Israeli State and pushing Iran and its allies toward the ultimate destruction of it. Surely, Iranian Government does not want to do it, but they are being pushed to do what they have set out to happen. You may wonder why Donald Trump may want to do such a thing; well the answer is obvious, Make America Great Again; Donald Trump knows very well that American government is infested with pro Israeli policies and lobbyist, every year huge chunk of American taxpayers money is going to Israel, so the only way to make America great again is by destruction of the root cause. You should also note that the negative image of Israeli State is impacting the image of America all over the world. So, he knows Great America will not happen if this continues.

In conclusion, the ultimate goal of West is destruction of Israel, and if Iran is destroyed too, it does not matter. Neither it mattered if Iraq or Syria got destroyed, the goal was to get Iran close to Israeli boarders, this has happened now. You can see if the goal was ever survivable of Israel and the Jewish people, you would have noticed substantially different approach that would have created an image of just, likable, friendly and law-abiding Jewish State, but you are seeing just the opposite.

Posted by: James | Aug 19 2019 12:06 utc | 153

UAV-X drones were reportedly found back in May 2019

Natural question, what took Houthi so long to employ them? And hence what changed that they do now?

Perhaps those are really Iranian "consultants" that actually assemble and launch those drones?

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 19 2019 13:42 utc | 154

Of course, not a word about Bashir's troops being the main land troops in the 'coalition' intervention in Yemen, nor of the fact that they are still part of the 'coalition' under the new gov
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49394908

Posted by: Mina | Aug 19 2019 14:06 utc | 155

@156 Ask how the Iron Dome helped the Unit 8200 in Golan when Syria finally did decide to retaliate

Posted by: ebolax | Aug 19 2019 15:20 utc | 156

@ Sasha | Aug 18 2019 17:42 utc

“ . . . Wahabbism, which is an anti-Islamic invent of the Saudis to throw muslims against each other . . .”

I don't think you can find anything in Wahabbism which is not required by, or at least approved by the Koran, the Sira or the Hadiths. That's the whole point of Wahabbism; like the US Constitution controls behavior in the United States, those texts are the controlling documents of Islam, and it is the content of those texts which Wahabbism promotes.

And it is ludicrous to claim that only “extremists” from Saudi Arabia commit terrorist acts. Among the hundreds of thousands of head-chopping murderers and rapists that have been rampaging through Syria for the past eight years, are Muslims from dozens of countries all around the world, including such piously virtuous entities as the US, Britain, all of Scandinavia, and many, many more. They're all doing what they have been ordered to do by Allah and Muhammad. If you don't believe that, then go and read the texts for yourself. Until you've done so, then you should not be making pronouncements about what Islam is, and what it is not.

Posted by: Antispin | Aug 19 2019 15:49 utc | 157

Alastair Crooke makes a similar argument to 'b's. they are both very convincing. As Crooke suggests the entire strategy of the Trump Netanyahu axis revolves around the unlikely, inexperienced and empty headed Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.

"It’s pretty clear. Saudi Arabia has lost, and, notes Bruce Riedel,(https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/08/saudi-arabia-yemen-setback-south-aden.html) “the Houthis and Iran are the strategic winners”. Saudi proxies in Aden – the seat of Riyadh’s Yemeni proto-‘government’ – have been turfed out by secular, former Marxist, southern secessionists. What can Saudi Arabia do? It cannot go forward. Even tougher would be retreat. Saudi will have to contend with an Houthi war being waged inside the kingdom’s south; and a second – quite different – war in Yemen’s south. MbS is stuck. The Houthi military leadership are on a roll, and disinterested – for now – in a political settlement. They wish to accumulate more ‘cards’. The UAE, which armed and trained the southern secessionists has opted out. MbS is alone, ‘carrying the can’. It will be messy...."

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/08/19/the-deeper-meaning-in-lost-war/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 19 2019 16:10 utc | 158

Antispin | Aug 19 2019 15:49 utc | 161

I am curious: why do you call yourself „Antispin“ if you write things like any spin doctor would have doctored them? No, I do not think that you can get money from the CFR for helping out with its aim of „clash of civilization“.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Aug 19 2019 16:36 utc | 159

Zarif's shuttle diplomacy finds him in Finland today on the 66th anniversary of the UK/US orchestrated coup that installed the Shah and set the stage for 1979's Revolution. In Zarif's words:

"66 years ago today, a coup instigated by the US and the UK overthrew the democratically-elected Government of Iran. This atrocity followed years of 'maximum pressure' on Iranians.

"Our people put an end to such interference in 1979. Time for some to deal with this reality." [My Emphasis]

Zarif's in Helsinki because Finland is the current EU President, so discussed JCPOA and "protect its interest in freedom of navigation." He also met with an organization named CMI--"Independent #conflict resolution organisation working to prevent & resolve #conflict and build lasting #peace worldwide. Founded by President #Martti Ahtisaari"--to discuss Russia's collective security proposal, which is clearly gaining momentum. IMO, the EU will now talk with Saudis. An interesting gauge in the climate are the paid trolls that dog Zarif's Twitter--their numbers have radically declined as the prospects for peace have risen over the past ten days. IMO, there's an excellent chance a tentative agreement will be reached by September.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2019 17:30 utc | 160

bevin @162--

I seems Crooke can't write quickly enough to keep pace with regional events--he neglects mention of the Houthi drone swam attack and its probable affect on Saudi thinking. IMO, the Saudis need to change the voices their ears listen to from the Outlaw US Empire to Russia, China, and EU if they wish to keep their seat of power.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2019 17:39 utc | 161

@Posted by: Antispin | Aug 19 2019 15:49 utc | 161

Among the hundreds of thousands of head-chopping murderers and rapists that have been rampaging through Syria for the past eight years, are Muslims from dozens of countries all around the world, including such piously virtuous entities as the US, Britain, all of Scandinavia, and many, many more. They're all doing what they have been ordered to do by Allah and Muhammad.

Well, you should go posting that BS of statement to the MSM, since here, everybody and their dogs know that what ordered the head-chpping murderers and rapists go rampaging through Syria, Yemen, Irak,Ukraine, is Captagon and a good pack of dollars. Of course, part of these savages would had do it even for free, since it is known that dangerous criminals were "recruited" from jails in the ME, Egypt for example, and other muslim countries to be sent to first Turkey to train and then to the different fronts....with a free pass to fulfill their psycopathic fantasies....

After many years of rampaging, some have seen a way of life in this, the more in the current state of the market ( with the US almost daily rising the stakes in this way of conducing itself against the developed and developing world competing with it...), and have founded their own "security companies", like pointed in a previous post "Malhama Tactical"...

Amongst these "professionals" are those who have committed all the false flag attacks in Europe, including Madrid, Barcelona, London, Berlin, Oslo, and so on, and so on...

Thus this has nothing to do meither with the Koran, nor the Hadiths, nor the least with Mohammed.
Stop using the name of the prophet in vain!

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 19 2019 18:26 utc | 162

Perhaps those are really Iranian "consultants" that actually assemble and launch those drones?

@Posted by: Arioch | Aug 19 2019 13:42 utc | 158

I doubt it, if ISIS can buy the kits of their drones in Alibaba, which come with their intructions of assemablage, and print their well assorted arsenals´ weapons with 3D techonology, as some morons here affirm, why not the Houthis?

No law of free market keeps them from using the same methods alleged....

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 19 2019 18:30 utc | 163

Sasha | Aug 19 2019 18:26 utc

"Thus this has nothing to do meither with the Koran, nor the Hadiths, nor the least with Mohammed."

You've just shown that you still have not read the texts.

No point in reading your comments on the subject, then.

Posted by: Antispin | Aug 19 2019 18:39 utc | 164

Antispin | Aug 19 2019 18:39 utc | 168

To take any text by its words is a joke kind of thing that is called Eulenspiegelei in Germany. From the famous comedian Till Eulenspiegel. A pity that your mind did not come to this level yet. Unavoidably you act then as a spin doctor for the dumb. So sad.
In certain alt right circles they call this „Islam critique“. It is a nice service to those in power. And has a certain submissive charme therefore.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Aug 19 2019 18:54 utc | 165

@Posted by: James | Aug 19 2019 12:06 utc | 157

Wild and twisted theory that of yours.
I fear israel needs no help in granting itself bad press...
This is even more twisted than your theory:

https://www.rt.com/news/466809-glory-ukraine-netanyahu-visit/

BTW, Sarah has such a bad temper...

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 19 2019 18:57 utc | 166

Exalting islam into a sacred cow is silly (and outdated) and the people who managed to get that going inside the European left and elsewhere functioned incredibly successfully as saboteurs no matter what intent they had.

Sasha and Hausmeister are you nazis?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 19 2019 20:11 utc | 167

Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 19 2019 20:11 utc | 167

Are you serious? No. If only you would be able to read. I have decade of experiences with Muslims (90% or more are Muslims on paper unless you curse their religion) and Christians, in Europa and in the Near East. So I know what I am talking about. Most likely (hearsay, from what a sometimres read in social media) parts of the USA and especially this alt right subculture plus the followers of identity politics are by far more dogmatic, more fundamentalist, more dumb than 90% of the Muslims worldwide.Islam is then no sacred cow, as is the spaghetti monster is none. But it makes sense to be tolerant in religious issues, as long as belief remains separated from public affairs.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Aug 19 2019 20:18 utc | 168

Hausmeister, yeah I just read another of your comments in another thread and it's clear to me I shouldn't talk to you. Goodbye.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 19 2019 20:50 utc | 169

@Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 19 2019 20:11 utc | 167

Are you a moronic US troll? Yes, you are.
Praising "b" at the very first comments at each post of his does not disguise you, as it does not your other fellows here, all doing the same.

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 19 2019 21:04 utc | 170

United US trolls, on nazis you are "experts".....

Ramsey Clark, former US attorney general: "We destroyed Yugoslavia just because it was the last island of socialism in Europe."

https://twitter.com/esp_soc/status/1163413892254621701


Posted by: Sasha | Aug 19 2019 21:15 utc | 171

Quote from the declaration on Palestine from Conference of the Communist Parties of the British Empire, 1947.

https://twitter.com/kopamaros/status/1162810515527274497

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 19 2019 21:19 utc | 172

Okay I'll take that as your answer Sasha. Bye to you as well.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 19 2019 21:35 utc | 173

The Transitional Council of the South (of Yemen) refuses to abandon government and military positions under its control in Aden. This has been demanded by the Saudi coalition as a prerequisite to any type of government negotiation.

Communiqué of the Transitional Council of the South in which they claim to govern Aden completely, ask:
1 Revitalize the political process focusing on the claims of the South
2 Increase UN assistance to South Yemen
3 Ensure the role of civil society and women in the political process

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1163564589788860416

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 19 2019 22:12 utc | 174

Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 19 2019 20:50 utc | 169

"...Hausmeister, yeah I just read another of your comments in another thread and it's clear to me I shouldn't talk to you. Goodbye."
To whome you talk is not important if you could please stop to drop nonsense here.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Aug 20 2019 7:06 utc | 175

Re: That RQ-170 drone which Iran captured in 2011

FWIW, I was told at that time that the Iranians were gifted that drone by friendly extra-terrestrials.
Presumably that was done to even the playing field.

Posted by: anon | Aug 21 2019 0:10 utc | 176

.Moon of Alabama You are totally missing the point about the new generation of home made drones , which with the advent of mobile-phone GPS technology together with the ability to digital copy and modify other aeronautical structures anyone could construct . By using lightweight materials such as glass and plastic fibre/resin composites , wood ,cardboard and wire together with small 2stroke motors drones with low radar-visibilty that are big enough to carry a devastating explosive or other hazardous payload can be readily constructed. . You naively believe that the Iranians must be the driving force behind AnsarUllah's weaponry , underestimating the sophistication skills and knowledge of the Yemeni peoples. This is not just a bunch of desert goat herds that the Saudis are up against

Posted by: Dave Barker | Aug 21 2019 10:01 utc | 177

I'd say this blog is owed royalties or at least a footnote on the latest Crooke essay. Just sayin.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/08/19/the-deeper-meaning-in-lost-war/


Posted by: FSD | Aug 22 2019 4:30 utc | 179

Posted by: Sasha | Aug 18 2019 13:39 utc | 93

With you all the way there, Sasha! Snide. "I'm on your side really, but....."

Posted by: foolisholdman | Aug 28 2019 21:01 utc | 180

and modified RPGs to make them easier to use in urban/indoor settings (where they're normally really dangerous even to the user).
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 18 2019 15:15 utc | 107
You remind me of an incidet in my NS, when my unit was taught to use an RPG. I went into the instructor's trench with my assistant and was told to put the pipe on my shoulder and my assistant put the rocket into the pipe and connected the fuse.
The instructor said: “You see that sandbank there do you?”
Well, about 10yards away there was a sandbank so I answered “Yes.” Wondering vaguely why he asked.
“OK. I want you to aim at the right hand end of it.”
“Christ!” I thought “That's a bit bloody close! Isn't it?” but then I thought “What the Hell! He's standing here with me, so I suppose it's all right!”
So I pulled the trigger and there was a huge bang as the rocket left the tube followed by another huge bang as it hit the sandbank, after which we were both half buried in sand and gravel.
“What the Bloody Hell do you think you are doing ?” he shouted at me.
“Well Sir, you told me to hit the left hand end of the sandbank and that's what I did.”
“I didn't mean THAT sand bank you blithering idiot! I meant THAT sandbank!” and he pointed away into the distance where there was a barely visible sand bank.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Aug 28 2019 21:26 utc | 181

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