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August 10, 2019

Epstein Suicided

Unsurprisingly Jeffrey Epstein was found dead, presumably by suicide, as that is what 'officials' claim:

Jailed multimillionaire financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide, according to two law enforcement sources.

He was taken from New York's Metropolitan Correctional Center on Saturday morning in cardiac arrest and died at an area hospital, the sources told CNN.
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Just weeks ago, Epstein was placed on a suicide watch after he was found July 23 in his Manhattan jail cell with marks on his neck, a law enforcement source and a source familiar with the incident told CNN at the time.

Just yesterday a court released the first 2,000 pages of a civil case against Epstein's madame, Ghislaine Maxwell:

The documents, the largest cache to be released in the 13 years since Epstein’s case began, offer brutal details about Epstein’s trafficking of teenage girls in Palm Beach, New York and overseas — as well as Maxwell’s obsessive and often abusive quest to provide him with new girls over a span of years in the early to mid 2000s.
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[Epstein victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre], who turned 36 on Friday, names a number of other men in politics, academia and business that she says she was directed to have sex with. In a 2017 interview with the Miami Herald, Giuffre said that Epstein wanted her to please various influential people then so that he could learn about their sexual peccadilloes and use them as leverage if he needed to.

While there’s no direct evidence contained in the court record substantiating her accounts with prominent men, Giuffre did provide testimony and evidence to corroborate her claims of exploitation at the hands of Epstein and Maxwell through photographs, plane logs and even a medical record from Presbyterian Hospital in New York where Giuffre was taken by Epstein after a particularly abusive sex episode.
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Some of the testimony released Friday is difficult to read, as when one 15-year-old Swedish girl, shaking and crying in fear, told a butler who worked for two of Epstein’s closest friends that she had been taken to Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean and ordered to have sex with him and others. The butler, in a sworn statement, said the girl, visibly traumatized, told him that Epstein and Maxwell had physically threatened to harm her and seized her passport to keep her on the island, according to the butler’s statement.

The released court papers can be found via Courthousenews.

Some of those influential people who Epstein, or the organization behind him, blackmailed, will be quite happy that he is gone. They will now try to bury the rest of the case. Giuffre and other witnesses better watch their backs.

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Posted by: Rob | Aug 10 2019 16:52 utc | 99
What happened to his cellmate?

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 16:52 utc | 101

@88 see my link @48

Posted by: Lozion | Aug 10 2019 16:54 utc | 102

If this man did commit suicide why are the stories so vague on how did he do it?

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 16:42 utc | 90


Because it only happened like 6 hours ago in a NYC jail where information sources and people's access to information are more tightly controlled than perhaps anywhere on earth?

And you can stop the jackrabbitian/Gruffinian repetition of attempting to hang me with words I didn't type. Just makes you seem as silly as them.

As I said above, you can believe/disbelieve whatever you want whenever you want. I don't believe or disbelieve anything at this point other than I disbelieve yours already settled beliefs. You may be proven right. Here's a gold star for your forehead. You are right!!!! Epstein died holding a lot of information about powerful people we all dislike. Whether by murder or suicide matters of course in the criminal justice way, but we will never hear Epstein testify. Frankly, I don't believe he would have testified anyway. He wasn't getting out of prison for cooperation on this one.

I believe the investigation should continue and the truth about Epstein and his cronies should come out. Will it? Well, let's just say I'm skeptical about that too. But I'm not alone.

Lawyers for several of Epstein’s alleged victims, including Virginia Giuffre, whose depositions detailing her experience as one of the financiers’ “slaves” when she was just 14 years old were released yesterday, called for the investigations into his crimes to continue, despite his death.

“We are hopeful that the government will continue to investigate and will focus on those who participated and facilitated Epstein’s horrifying sex trafficking scheme that damaged so many,” Sigrid McCawley said.

The New York representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweeted shortly after Epstein’s death was reported: “We need answers. Lots of them.”

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 16:55 utc | 103

It's probably too early to draw the curtains on the Epstein nothing-burger. It's not at all clear to me that ANY of the under age women were pre-pubescent children. Bonking under age females with breasts and pubic hair is known as Statutory Rape in most Western countries; the assumption being that the bonkee is deemed to be too young to give Informed Consent to sex with an adult male. If there's no allegation or evidence of coercion by the bonker then it's not a hanging offense.

The mystery surrounding Epstein's rags to riches good fortune has not yet been fully explained, although if it's true that he had charisma then he was probably capable of seducing/ charming males as well as females.

IF he was running a honey-trap blackmail scam as a sole trader then he will fade from History surrounded by a blizzard of "???". If on the other hand he was a "useful idiot" running the scam on behalf, and for the benefit of, powerful people then one suspects that he will have left a "dead man's letter" so that he'd have the last laugh.

A dead man's letter is only as good as the entity one trusts to ensure that it's disseminated. WikiLeaks would be my top pick for a trustworthy publisher and The Swamp is moving Heaven and Earth to keep Assange incommunicado until he can be suicided.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 10 2019 16:57 utc | 104

DBEP - Thank you. It is obvious most of the so-called knowledgeable commenters here have never seen the inside of a jail cell themselves (except on TV or in the movies) or subject to that particular form of state repression....

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 17:00 utc | 105

Re: nottheonly1, donkeytale and KC

I think you are missing the fundamental issue regarding the circumstances of Epstein's death, it is no longer Epstein's crimes and that of his co-conspirators, it is a systemic loss of Trust in the government and political elites. The allegations against Epstein and his associates were extremely serious, at the absolute minimum they involved major political and economic figures involved in sex trafficking and the sexual abuse of minors, the worst allegations were that foreign individuals or governments had gained compromising information about these figures and used it subvert the government policies for their benefits. I do not know if all of these allegations were, but at least some of these allegations involving sexual abuse were truth (Epstein himself admitted as much when he took the original guilty plea).

In re-arresting Epstein under new charges, the government itself also asserted that 1) they believed Epstein committed other crimes and 2) they were reasonably likely to get a conviction at a trial (prosecutors are not supposed to bring charges against people unless they think they can get a conviction at trial). Again, I do not know if all of these allegations were true, but in bring a case the government said that they believed that they were. Lastly, in refusing to grant bail to Epstein, the government clearly and publicly took on the responsibility of protecting Epstein from ALL THREATS (including himself, other inmates, guards, health issues, everything) while he was in their custody.

The fact that Epstein, allegedly, tried to commit suicide a week ago and was then moved to the highest level of care and security by the government where he then dies after "allegedly" committing suicide is a huge, public and devastating failure of the government to fulfill their obligations to society, the courts and even Epstein (that is assuming Epstein really is dead). This is made all the worst by the fact that many, many people (Zerohedge, moon of alabama, RT, infowars, the Duran among others) had stated their fears that Epstein would be murdered in such a way by powerfully forces within the government and political elites, in the eyes of these people, their concerns have been fully vindicated. By failing to fulfill their obligations in such a public way, especially after being warned repeatedly by people concerned about just such a situation unfolding, the US government has hugely discredited itself and legitimized the believe that the US government and the political elite is deeply, systematically corrupt.

Now, undoubtedly the US government and society will not be fatally undermined by a single event such as this. But for the prior 30 years (at least), the US government and society seem unable to generate successes for anyone except the top 1% and indeed seems openly hostile to the very idea that government should ever create a benefit for anyone except the 1% or that the political and economic elite should ever be held accountable for any failure or crimes they commit (the 2001 tech bubble, the Iraq war, the 2008 financial crisis, Libya, Syria, Iran, Venezuela and now the Epstein scandal). At some point a critical threshold will be breeched and people will slowly stop believing in the various government narratives on events and public policies. Many American already reject the US government's narrative on 9/11, the Iraq war, Syria now some of them will add the Epstein episode to their list of disbelieved narratives. Unless the US government reverses course and starts rebuilding it's legitimacy and trust, this rejection of US government narratives will spread to the most fundamental government narrative, that the US government is the legitimate government of the people. Once that narrative is disbelieved by as little as 1/3 of the population, the US (as it currently exists) is doomed. When will that happen, that's the $64 question although I personally believe it will be within the next 20 years unless some reforming figure arises

Posted by: Kadath | Aug 10 2019 17:01 utc | 106

@Schmoe 92

“Epstein would have had this to weigh:...............”

And the Mega Group had to weigh this: Dead or Alive???..................Dead.

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 10 2019 17:02 utc | 107

Since he was certainly a spook it makes sense that he knew he had to commit suicide by himself. Suicided, yes, but by his owners who dropped him. The guy still thought recently he could be released on bail.

Now what about the many pages missing from the published documents?? and those pages where she starts talking about some big guys and have a lot of black on the lines??

Posted by: Mina | Aug 10 2019 17:09 utc | 109

I really think our “goodfellas” of DC regime, had put a call to MBS last night, for his recommendations on a good workable bone saw. Unfortunately since all hardware stores were closed late in the night, they decided Epstein should be suicided.


Posted by: kooshy | Aug 10 2019 17:13 utc | 110

Why did Epstein return to the US? The situation was desperate, escape in any way at all at any cost should have been top priority.

Epstein was lured back with false promises of ‘the fix is in,’ he would be aided, nothing serious, be let off, etc. (imho)

Doc. 2009/10, depositions of various witnesses in a previous Epstein case — Epstein vs. Bradley J. Edwards. Released long ago.

Link is searchable, 800+ pages.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508967-deposition-excerpts.html#document/p55

The details of Trump’s only ride on an Epstein plane, from Florida to NY, he ‘hitched a ride’ - no girls. It is curious, as Ilargi, no Trump fan, points out the MSM has never bothered to report this, plus keeps on suggesting that Trump is involved with Epstein, insinuating guilt by association (sex trafficking, pedophilia, prostitution, abuse, blackmail, etc.) Publishing that photo of Epstein w. Trump and Maxwell, Melania, over and over.

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2019/08/epstein-or-how-your-news-is-cooked/

Giuffre (> recent doc release) confirms - Trump never flirted with her, she never saw Trump involved with any girls. (see also dan 77)

The MSM goes so far as to not report court cases, witness testimony, legal conclusions, etc. from the US judiciary (itself notoriously corrupt!) -> even the minor attempts to uphold say, the first amendment / some small parts of the rule of law.. are ignored, hidden, flatly denied..

Circe might accuse me of supporting Trump! - NO, no..no...


Posted by: Noirette | Aug 10 2019 17:13 utc | 111

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 16:55 utc | 103

You know what, you are right... I can't say 100 percent what exactly happened but this has to have everybody's BS detector on full alert.

As Posted by: Kadath | Aug 10 2019 17:01 utc | 106
"At some point a critical threshold will be breeched and people will slowly stop believing in the various government narratives on events and public policies. Many American already reject the US government's narrative on 9/11, the Iraq war, Syria now some of them will add the Epstein episode to their list of disbelieved narratives. Unless the US government reverses course and starts rebuilding it's legitimacy and trust, this rejection of US government narratives will spread to the most fundamental government narrative, that the US government is the legitimate government of the people. Once that narrative is disbelieved by as little as 1/3 of the population, the US (as it currently exists) is doomed. "

The lies haven't got so blatant that the narrative managers are asking to disregard any logic to believe their stories. This Epstein case I have personally been following since 2015. From all that I read of the guy, suicide doesn't seem like his way. Ratting everyone else out seemed more his style. Thus I lean more on a hit job more than anything.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 17:13 utc | 112

I would say it is mainly a wallstreet story.

The mysteries of Jeffrey Epstein's financial black book

I didn’t really know Jeffrey. He was like Boo Radley in the corner of the room. After I met him, he became Jeffrey Epstein, he had no interest in me. He knew right out of the box who the players were, the people who would stay out all night, people who had interests in extracurricular objectives, and who the hitters were. That wasn’t me.” ... The Wall Street names in the book range from the highly prominent to the obscure, and, for some unknown reason, a disproportionate number of names of bankers in it worked once upon a time at Lazard, my old firm.

Financial Times Book review

Cohan dutifully records passing events in the outside world, such as the near-bankruptcy of New York, which Mr Rohatyn averted, and various mergers and acquisitions. But the interesting action was taking place in Lazard’s allegedly dingy (they never seemed that bad to me) offices in the Rockefeller Center, where the “great men” who advised big companies plied their trade.

The emphasis was on the “men”. Cohan records that partners from Meyer to Mr David-Weill and Mr Rohatyn imported a French attitude to extramarital liaisons and the first women who worked there as bankers were apparently propositioned constantly. One young woman is even said to have been raped by two junior bankers, and according to Cohan’s ac­count the bankers were eased out to avoid embarrassment.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 10 2019 17:13 utc | 113

But just because Epstein's no more doesn't mean the investigation should end

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2019 16:11 utc | 78

This can't be stressed enough.

The Great US of A are absolutely FUCKEDUP. Remember what's at stake are proven and alleged public order crimes, that it was not a victim that perished, that sex trafficking, of minors or otherwise, are criminal organization type crimes. These crimes shall be prosecuted under the law. Except there is no law to be under anymore.

We can all speculate on suicide vs "suicided" but in my opinion this is several degrees below the bar, at this point I don't even think it matters that part of the discussion. I'm slightly disappointed at today's comments, but since I can't myself bring up to par, I extend it myself.

Fuckedup, i say FUCKEDUP!

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Aug 10 2019 17:15 utc | 114

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 17:13 utc | 112

The lies have gotten so blatant...

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 17:16 utc | 115

Kadath @ 106 - well stated. I don't disagree with anything you said.

It is what people do about their disaffection with the government that truly matters.

And as I stated way above top of the thread, the many people who buy false narratives, whether government issued or alt media delivered are equally able to be played by the PTB in this endless cycle of convolution we find ourselves trapped within. This is why we have a pnony dear leader in Trump, a phony Brexit, phony Chinese trade wars, JCPOA torn up for no logical reason except to create a phony cold warwith Iran , Vz phony regime change, and on and on and on.

In my mind this is the state of the world today and why there seems no longer to be any effective opposition to the PTB in the US at least, for sure. Infotainment values "trump" every other consideration, especially justice and equality.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 17:16 utc | 116

Caitlin Johnstone weighs in: "Jeffrey Epstein Dies Of “Suicide”"

Posted by: Ort | Aug 10 2019 17:16 utc | 117

There isn't any hard evidence that Epstein was murdered, true. But if the death of the sole named accused in arguably the most high profile case in decades, involving the most well-connected elites, steeped foreign intelligence connections, in a federal prison, on suicide watch, alone in a cell wearing a paper suit, with no shoelaces, under 24/7 watch doesn't arose your suspicions, you are a special kind of obtuse. Suicide watch is designed specifically to not allow what supposedly happened. At a minimum, it is a scandal in its own right. But to happen to Epstein now, just as the trail was getting rolling, on Friday - the day known to 'bury' stories, in a federal facility in Manhattan, is as fishy as fishy gets. If you want to mock those who point that out, it reflects much more on your naivety than anyone else's.

Posted by: Don Wiscacho | Aug 10 2019 17:17 utc | 118

Hoarsewhisperer @104

Your comment is offensive and misleading.

He wasn't just "bonking" underage women, he was trafficking them - internationally and on a large scale. And he threatened them as well. These women were fearful.

If your daughter had been one of those "bonked", trafficked, and threatened at 15 or 16 years old maybe you wouldn't be so cavalier.

Furthermore, it's difficult to believe a wealthy person like Epstein would risk their wealth and prestige so blatantly without some belief that they were protected. Many believe that his protection came from Mega/Mossad. So the serial rapist was likely part of a criminal conspiracy that was aided and abetted by a foreign government.

I used to think you had a functioning moral compass.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 17:19 utc | 119

Re O #112,

My BS detector has been bleeping almost non-stop since the US war on Serbia, as far as I'm concern when the US makes an assertion they need to provide verifiable evidence to back up their claims. my personal opinion is that Epstein didn't commit suicide, heck, I'm not even sure if he's really dead but if he is dead, he was probably murdered.

Posted by: Kadath | Aug 10 2019 17:23 utc | 120

Kadath @106
Well said. Indeed, loss of trust in governments is key, and this event utterly destroys the little trust that remained. Other western governments have the same problem also.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 10 2019 17:24 utc | 121

What an interesting turn of events. I'll read MoA's archive on this to try and suss out what happened exactly.

Posted by: David | Aug 10 2019 17:25 utc | 122

Vasco @ 114

We can all speculate on suicide vs "suicided" but in my opinion this is several degrees below the bar, at this point I don't even think it matters that part of the discussion. I'm slightly disappointed at today's comments, but since I can't myself bring up to par, I extend it myself.

These are my thoughts, much more succinctly rendered.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 17:26 utc | 123

Gasp! No! Who could ever have predicted this! Did he shoot himself in the back of the head?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Aug 10 2019 17:26 utc | 124

@Vasco de Gama 114

If you live in US, like me, you should know that this country is no more than a banana republic, and a bad one at that. Of course many of the faux-patriots, optimists and idealists can’t admit it. But nevertheless, we are a banana republic.

The very idea of justice, law and sovereignty was abolished a long time ago, perhaps blatantly with JFK, if not earlier. Federal Reserve act and IRS can be named as examples.

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 10 2019 17:29 utc | 125

ADKC @ 91

I agree with you! Let's see what she does. I wasn't aware she had oversight role wrt Epstein.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 17:31 utc | 126

On 2nd thought it could also easily have been passed something with his food, visible or not. A normal spook ending anyway.
I can't wait for the film "Fucked US of A: Wenstein and Epstein, how we imposed the New Normal on the rest of the world without them noticing".

Posted by: Mina | Aug 10 2019 17:32 utc | 127

Posted by: Kadath | Aug 10 2019 17:23 utc | 120

Exactly it is even questionable if the Epstein is dead at all.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 17:33 utc | 128

OT---OT----OT

Meanwhile out in the world things are happening.

In Syria, SAA has opened three fronts one of which is smashing into Idlib. Canthama reports:

"Some up dates from the 3 fronts in Syria…yes, the SAA opened up another one during the night and it seems a 4th is pending, location unknown, the SAA is using diversions to draw excess of terrorists from their long defensive lines through out Idlib. It is becoming clear the latest moves are indicating that the end game is indeed the liberation of M5 and M4, which would mean most of Idlib, all Lattakia and part of Western Aleppo.

"1) Habit: By now it has become evident the SAA is using this front to draw loads of terrorists from other areas around Khan Sheikhoun in preparation for another front to be opened, for two days the SAA stays in the outskirts, kill as many as possible then retreat and bomb the hell out of this town killing more terrorists, the roads to Habit from Khan Sheikhoun are full of destroyed terrorists’ vehicles. The SAA is now defensively strong on the NW of the town, meaning it controls the road from Maghar al-Hammam to Habit and maybe even (not confirmed) Harsh al-Habit, which neutralizes the ATGM attacks toward them, all the southern area is under the SAA....

"The new front is confirmed and opened and the SAA is rolling through the SE plains of Idlib, and very fast. Both Tell Sukayk and Sukayk were liberated and the SAA is already the door of al Tamanah, this is an important town, just east of Khan Sheikhoun, the bottleneck is becoming tighter and it will be simply impossible for the terrorists to defend Khan Sheikhoun from two fronts.

"Now that the 3rd front was opened and the 2nd toward Khan Sheikhoun, it becomes evident that the SAA will storm al Habit and roll over toward Khan Sheykhoun, no need to continue to draw the terrorists toward Habit, terrorists understood the hopeless of their situation. All the Northern Hama area will be liberated without storming the two underground fortresses, the terrorists will have to retreat or die inside a pocket."

Oil shale within the Outlaw US Empire continues to suffer losses as outlook is downgraded:

"It’s been a brutal two weeks for the US shale industry, clobbered by a series of poor financial results from several drillers at a time when oil prices more broadly are in freefall. The latest was Oasis Petroleum, which plunged by more than 30 percent on Wednesday, after the company said it would probably spend a little bit more than previously expected, and might produce a little bit less."

I'm not at all surprised. What's puzzling me is the downturn in oil price. The signal is that no further conflict will occur in Persian Gulf for remainder of year and likely longer. But the forces of Occupied Palestine have said they'll join their buddy the Outlaw US Empire in Persian Gulf patrols which Iran has strongly warned them against doing. Is Big Money right or wrong?

The row over German war spending not reaching the 2% of GDP demanded by Trump is producing some interesting comments:

"'The US ambassador is right: US taxpayers should not have to pay for US troops in Germany,' Bartsch said, according to the Hannoversche Allgemeine Zeitung. He also suggested that any potential troop withdrawal should be total and complete. 'If the Americans pull out their soldiers, they also have to pull out their nuclear weapons,' he insisted.

"'And of course, these must be brought back home and not to Poland because it would provoke a further escalation in our ties with Russia, which doesn’t serve European and German interests.'

"The spat began earlier this week when Grenell demanded that Germany increase its defense spending, arguing that it was 'really insulting to expect the US taxpayer to keep paying for over 50,000 Americans' stationed in the European country."

I'm sure most Germans would like to see the US occupation of their nation end, and that's reflected by the reluctance to waste money on unneeded war preparations. Not mentioned in either story but very much related is the German desire to see Nord Stream 2 completed and to begin shipping gas this winter versus the Outlaw US Empire's Senate just passing a bill to try and keep that from happening by further sanctioning involved companies.

And to cap off this OT news recap we have Pepe Escobar's latest: "How Tehran fits into Russia-China strategy," where he begins by blasting the false Russian bases in Iran story, and links to b's story debunking it. Pepe also reports that oil demand is higher than 2018 but the price remains low. The reason: Iran continues to sell its oil, primarily to China. So much for the Outlaw US Empire's Energy Dominance ploy--it's failing on several fronts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2019 17:35 utc | 129

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 10 2019 16:57 utc | 104

You really are demented.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 17:35 utc | 130

Epstein did commit suicide. And I'm Vladimir Putin. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 10 2019 17:37 utc | 131

What does this mean wrt. the extradition of Julian Assange to the US? It is illegal in the first place, but surely that can not happen now as the Epstein case shows it will be certain death for Assange? Perhaps that is why it will go forward?

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 10 2019 17:40 utc | 132

He was just a very sick individual who could smell/service/exploit other sick individuals.

In the above link Victoria Guiffre describes how Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein asked her if she would bear his child for them.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 10 2019 17:42 utc | 133

@Hoarswhisperer

"The mystery surrounding Epstein's rags to riches good fortune has not yet been fully explained, although if it's true that he had charisma then he was probably capable of seducing/ charming males as well as females."

We can all name various con men and swindlers through the years, but this situation is unique as far as I know due the number of high profile people allegedly involved in a statutory rape scheme and the total lack of interest in pursuing the prosecution 10 years ago, to the extent that the US Attorney handling the case was willing to violate the DOJ's own guidelines. Not to mention one co-conspirator being the daughter of a likely Mossad agent and other oddities such as the his plane having a call sign almost identical to State Department aircraft.

Posted by: Sch | Aug 10 2019 17:42 utc | 134

Donkeytales: I agree with you that there is no evidence available about Epstein's suicide, but obviously he said someone one tried to kill him already and would have been under strict suicide watch so this doesn't look good. B doesn't claim its case closed in the article.
KC #20 As far as conspiracy theories about El Paso, perhaps you need to read up on the very real programs MK-Ultra and Gladio, or watch the first hand account on the DailyMail with the woman who saw 4 shooters dressed in black shooting, or the initial reports from the police and news that all said 4 shooters. I'm not saying these people got it right, but just like in San Bernardino, there appears to be witnesses that were interviewed immediately before narrative management could take place that saw multiple shooters. First hand witnesses certainly shouldn't be discounted off hand, and you shouldn't be so quick to pull out the "conspiracy theory" defense against questions in regards to a mass shooting or terrorist attack in the US if you've been paying attention over the last two decades.

Posted by: Jason | Aug 10 2019 17:43 utc | 135

From Caitlin Johnston:

“This story is nuts. I personally am on record disagreeing with those on both sides of the aisle who’ve been claiming that the Epstein scandal was going to lead to mass arrests of extremely powerful people in Washington, because the swamp protects itself. We see that today clearer than ever. Whatever happened in that prison cell today, it made some nasty swamp monsters very happy.

“Jeffrey Epstein’s suicide ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment,” tweeted former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti, adding, “Epstein’s death means that there won’t be a public trial or other proceedings that could reveal evidence of his wrongdoing. Evidence collected via grand jury subpoena won’t be released to the public.”

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 10 2019 17:47 utc | 136

It's a very brazen move. Who could be brazen enough to perform it, or on whose behalf?
UK Royalty is (I refuse to speak in the past tense) involved.
Who could be the "other prince"?
For whom was Epstein an intel asset?

That he was an intel asset must have been known by virtually all of his 'clients'. How
could any of them not have supposed they'd set themselves up to be corruptible by even
having contact with him and his organization.

All these Clintons and princes and celebs.

Yet they felt comfortable and safe. They must have given tremendous credibility to the
safekeeping of their association with the Epstein org.

Where do we see such an utter and profound confidence, even to the point of smugness, in
protection from persecution?

(The coming days, influential, 'moderate' and reasonable people will call for an inquest
into how this came about. Don't be fooled by them. They serve the purpose of quenching
-- they have no interest in pursuing the truth).

Posted by: bjd | Aug 10 2019 17:47 utc | 137

Hoarsewhisperer @104
Your comment is offensive and misleading.
...
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 17:19 utc | 119

Pot calls kettle black?
Don't be such a prude, dude.
I was talking about bonking under-age women. not trafficking.
The trafficking side of the Epstein Saga has been explained in some detail as a combination of factors, the primary factor being Gislane's skill at sniffing out "wayward" girls and how to manipulate them via their delusions of grandeur. (Ref Jaqui Collins (Joan's little sister)) who has been very frank about her 'adventurous' youth under the noses of disinterested parents.
My own daughter was very "unlucky." Not only did both her parents love and care for her, her mother could smell a girlish plot to deflect parental oversight from 50 miles away and didn't hesitate to ring around to confirm, or not, a story deemed fishy by her bs detector.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 10 2019 17:50 utc | 139

Where is Ghislane?

Despite the document release yesterday, MSM doesn't seem to care about Ghislane. Coverage is focused on Epstein and his crimes in a way that seems designed to give Ghislane, Mega, and the "johns" a free pass.

Barr says he's "appalled" the prison death of Epstein but AFAIK he hasn't said that he'll pursue charges against others that were involved.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 17:51 utc | 140

@karlof1 129

Why are you changing the subject? Are you trying to suggest an “oh-well” narrative? This story is as big as they come.

I’m curious, why?

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 10 2019 17:52 utc | 141

@ donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 16:19 utc | 81

No, I did not write that. I wrote that he could have sat it out. Ten years max? When he would get out, brief, if any news would mention that Jeffrey Epstein was released from prison today. He was accused of blablabla...

It estranges me that with this extremely corrupt society a person of wealth (however much) would have not been able to sit it out and go to, let's say Brasil, where he would be able to be forgotten.

Everything I wrote is hypothetical. I did never say: "This is what happened - or not happened" - for the simple reason that I cannot know. I wasn't there.

What I do know though, is the fact that anything goes for the rich and powerful. Thee are folks giving book signings that have killed upward of a million innocent people - by having given the orders for it.

No, I do not trust any news any longer - if I cannot get proof, or factual evidence, I will state that I don't know. It is as simple as that. If I witness a crime in the street - personally - you can be sure that I would have to give a correct version of the events. After all I am a journalist in the very meaning of that job description. I was threatened before for publishing the truth. It never deterred me. Because you cannot deter a true journalist from giving truthful accounts of what happened. Those who do, are not journalists by a long shot.

I just looked up 'correctional officers gear'. One can see that their belt comes with a holder for a cell phone. At least that is what it looks like. While there, I found out that many correctional officers are now wearing body cams. There are even fundraisers to get one for everybody.

Bodycams for Correctional Officers

There is difference between a hypothesis - in which you can believe - or the truth, which you might deny.

There is however a possibility - and if only by coincidence - that a commenter, knowingly or unknowingly, alleges some event to have been this, or that way and be spot on. There is a proverb in German that says:

Hinterher ist amn immer schlauer

which translates into

One is always more knowledgeable afterwards

My translation.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 17:52 utc | 142

Uncle Jon@125

In truth I don't, also, is not exactly out of ignorance that I presented the disbelief on what amounts to a banana republic as you put it. The event is just so in-your-face that you feel like you are dreaming or something, nightmare more like.

Kadath@106

Thank you for articulating so well those points... and raising the bar.

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Aug 10 2019 17:52 utc | 143

Should read:

Hinterher ist man immer schlauer

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 17:53 utc | 144

Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide, sources say

The Federal Bureau of Prisons confirmed Epstein's death, saying he was found unresponsive in his cell at New York's Metropolitan Correctional Center around 6:30 a.m. ET.

Staff started life-saving measures, and Epstein was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead, the bureau said in a news release.

EMS agencies usually do not transport someone without a pulse. If the EMS crew is resuscitating a patient on scene, the patient usually only gets transported if they regain a pulse. If they don't regain a pulse then the crew calls the coroner and the body stays on scene. If the CNN article is correct then Epstein was alive when he left the jail and then died in the back of the ambulance.

The ambulance crew would have the best info on what exactly happened if this is the case.

Posted by: Zack | Aug 10 2019 17:58 utc | 145

This is a response to the following comment posted above:

"To the donkeytale attack club: Grow the fuq up. I live in El Paso and I have a neighbor who was at the Wal Mart. There are already people spreading bullshit conspiracy multi-shooter theories and I would guess that if you had a violently negative reaction to donkeytale's reasoned request/question then I think you're probably in that group. You need to be banned or this site will have taken a serious dive off the cliff of credibility." [Posted by: KC]

You are clearly a degenerate troll. There are multiple eye witnesses who saw 3 or 4 shooters dressed in black. The fact that such witnesses are later suicided shows not only that they were speaking the truth but that "people" like you are the scum of the scum of the earth. What a disgusting POS you are.

Posted by: Moon Reader | Aug 10 2019 18:16 utc | 146

Jeffrey Epstein's alleged suicide, while being under a 'suicide watch' may be the event that 'let's the-cat-out-of-the proverbial-bag' in the this growing political and sex scandal, that already stretches from Washington DC to Buckingham Palace in the UK. Whether Epstein committed suicide or was 'assisted' in his death, the MSM and it's online counterparts are sure to intensify their focus on the aforementioned scandal. It's just too juicy. The media will cover this story like 'stink-on-shit.' Attempts by those to suppress evidence of their collusion will explode in their faces. If Epstein may have come to believe that, then his attitude would likely be: "If I go down, you go with me." For Epstein it's: "Heads I win, tails you lose, whatever the cost."

Posted by: GeorgeV | Aug 10 2019 18:19 utc | 147

The use of the term pedophilia, which properly describes sexual activity involving pre-pubescent children, is misleading.
It seems that the main complainant in the Epstein case was 16 at the time of her seduction.
With the exception of a few jurisdictions, sex involving 16 year olds is legal in the UK, Netherlands and Russia for example.
In Germany the age of consent is 14, as it is in Hungary and as it was throughout the Austro Hungarian Empire.
In Sweden, Denmark, the Czech Republic and France girls of fifteen are considered capable of choosing their sexual partners.
In most US States the age of consent would appear to be 16, though in Florida it is 18.
Those throwing the term pedophilia around ought to consider the consequences that can follow the degradation of words with precise meanings.
The reality, however disturbing it might be to Puritans, is that teenagers tend to be extremely interested in sex, in part because they are biologically programmed to be. Those who believe that youngsters of 16, 15 or even 14 do not engage in those acts which precede reproduction should let us know where they are living. And how often they leave home.
The basic issues in this Epstein business seem to be connected with speculation that powerful, wealthy middle aged men often indulge themselves in liaisons with much younger women, thus, in an atmosphere of hypocritical puritanism and jealousy opening themselves up to blackmail.
The real issue however is inequality: young girls, without real hope of ever living comfortably-at least in comparison with the lifestyles of others- are exploited by being cheated of the real value of their sexuality by men who seduce them, sell their services and refuse to share their profit with the workers.
Epstein was, it is believed, a capitalist living off the avails of sexual prostitution.
But was he any worse than the very large numbers of rich Americans who live off the profits of sweatshops in Jakarta, miners in Congo, ship breakers in Bengal and Hotels chains everywhere?
Was the job that the 16 year old girls performed for him in Florida any worse, any more dangerous, any more demeaning than working in the tomato fields and orange plantations for 'farmers'?
Sex engages our emotions in the best way-sympathy for innocence and youth being corrupted-and in the worst-jealousy and frustration. Often they are mixed together.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 10 2019 18:20 utc | 148

nottheonly1 @ 142

Yes, one is always more knowledgeable afterwards. Great point. Hindsight is 20/20.

Can you even imagine being assigned to stare at CCTV of one guy sitting in his jail cell for hours at a time? Do you even believe that would be his sole duty and that as DBEP states with knowledge because he did time that either jailers or correctional officers are that freaking dedicated minute by minute or not distracted by unusual events in what amounts to an incredibly bad working environment consisting of mostly sheer boredom spent in an extremely depressing daily situation interspliced with some moments of physical danger dealing with violent, crazy and extremely manipulative people under your immediate charge, especially in a city as big as NY?

So, no, unless you have done time somewhere in the US you are not likely to be able to approximate knowledge simply by googling "corrections officers" and how it should predictably go down in these institutions.

I'm sure further information on Epstein will come out and then the argument will shift to whether the authorities are telling the truth or lying. Neverending, but that's the blog life, it ain't no good life, but it's my life. (LOL w apologies to Willie Nelson)

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 18:20 utc | 149

AG Barr seems quite upset over Epstein's death and has already assigned an IG to start an investigation immediately.

Posted by: MH | Aug 10 2019 18:27 utc | 150

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 18:20 utc | 149

I would say he had all reason to commit suicide as he surely would have spent the rest of his life in jail but he seems to have been hanged/hanged himself.

I agree with people looking at CCTV not paying attention most of the times, but for hanging you need material and the ability to jump. And he had tried it unsuccessfully before. So I would say he was given some rope.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 10 2019 18:30 utc | 151

Reminds me of the Skripal story.
So unlikely, so far-fetched, yet HMG have since then invested endless capital, and put their own credibility regularly on the line, in trying to persuade the world that their fantastic, ever-changing story is not only “highly likely” but true, when it clearly can’t be.
Very puzzling.

Posted by: Montreal | Aug 10 2019 18:30 utc | 152

Zack -Not saying he wasn't breathing but EMT's don't pronounce people dead. Typically, only a physician will pronounce someone dead.

If there wasn't a doctor on site at the institution (and there usually aren't especially during the early hours of Saturday morning) it would seem necessary to transport the body to the hospital for the pronunciation of death, where they also have morgues to hold the bodies.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 18:32 utc | 153

Somebody - has he been declared dead from hanging? by rope? I'm not saying he wasn't "suicided" but if rope was used then there would be no doubt in mind he was murdered.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 18:35 utc | 154

But was he any worse than the very large numbers of rich Americans who live off the profits of sweatshops in Jakarta, miners in Congo, ship breakers in Bengal and Hotels chains everywhere?
Was the job that the 16 year old girls performed for him in Florida any worse, any more dangerous, any more demeaning than working in the tomato fields and orange plantations for 'farmers'?
Posted by: bevin | Aug 10 2019 18:20 utc | 148

Uh, yes. These girls were initially lied to about the work and in some cases kidnapped, and then threatened if they spoke out about it.

You said so yourself: "The real issue however is inequality: young girls, without real hope of ever living comfortably-at least in comparison with the lifestyles of others- are exploited by being cheated of the real value of their sexuality by men who seduce them, sell their services and refuse to share their profit with the workers."

Exploitation is wrong. Exploitation of young naive minds is wrong to include teenagers.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 18:36 utc | 155

If everyone believes he is dead this is a successful operation brought to a successful conclusion. Why would he be dead? That is not the simplest explanation for the few known facts. More likely he walked out the door. He has been relocated and reassigned. Or perhaps relocated and retired.

We do not even know who this man is. Or was, if you prefer. We know his first job was given (note, given) to him at age 20 by Donald Barr. Barr was OSS and original 1947 CIA. Barr "left" the CIA for a career as an 'educator'. So Epstein became a field operative at age 20. What sort of training or preparation could make a 20 year old kid ready for that? Why would anyone trust that kid? Only possibility is that he was to the manor born. Story that his father was a shlub who drove a truck for the Park District is rubbish. In any event we do not begin to know where this Epstein came from. He is nothing and nobody. Who easier to disappear than nothing and nobody.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 10 2019 18:36 utc | 156

Shocked I tell ya, shocked, never saw it coming!

Posted by: Drew | Aug 10 2019 18:41 utc | 157

clarification @ 154

Somebody, I see what you are saying now, he was suicidal and someone gave him "rope' to do it himself.

Yes, I believe that to be a reasonable and highly likey scenario.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 18:41 utc | 158

The only objection I have to your response is the repeated use of the term 'government' when you speak about those in control of the US.

The actions and inactions of this organization warrant the use 'regime'. The US has/is a regime and not a government.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 18:43 utc | 159

but EMT's don't pronounce people dead. Typically, only a physician will pronounce someone dead.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 18:32 utc | 153

As a former EMT, yes you can. Dead on scene or DOA. The physician just signs off on it agreeing with the conclusion most the obvious stuff with rigor mortis has set in or missing head.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 18:43 utc | 160

Posted by: bevin | Aug 10 2019 18:20 utc | 148

You are correct on pedophilia but not on the age of consent.

You are correct that it is cultural. In Germany it depends on context. If you are an adult and parents go to court you will be punished if you have sex with a 14 or 15 year old. If the person is under 16 and you are an adult you will get punished if you act as teacher or guardian for that person. It is illegal under 18 if you force or pay the person.
So what Epstein and Maxwell did would be clearly illegal in Germany as in most countries.
Teenagers are sexually interested but usually not with adults - not of their own volition. And it is rare that something bad happens when two inexperienced kids learn about their bodies.
What Epstein and Maxwell did was unacceptable on any level as it was prostitution of underage girls and they presumably also crossed the line to rape in quite a few cases.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 10 2019 18:46 utc | 161

bevin @148

Sorry, this is bullshit that has been answered many times now.

Society protects the very young from being preyed upon by older, more experienced people. Sex among teens happens, but it's a crime when its a much older person has sex with a teen. Even if it's nominally consensual because teens can be easily manipulated. I thought it was YOU who pointed out at one point that the mind isn't fully developed until the early twenties.

Plus, as I've already pointed out to Hoarsewhisperer, Epstein did a lot more than just rape a few young women - he was part of a conspiracy that trafficked them and threaten them.

So sad to see that you've joined the Epstein apologist club.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 18:47 utc | 162

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 18:43 utc | 160

Stories are now saying he was brought to the hospital still alive.
"Epstein was taken to the hospital "for treatment of life-threatening injures." Hospital staff later pronounced him dead."

https://gothamist.com/2019/08/10/jeffrey_epstein_found_dead_in_jail.php

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 18:48 utc | 163

Can not dismiss the possibility this was his voluntary retirement. After all, who doesn’t tire of doing the same work for decades? If so, the arrest and suicide might’ve been planned as a way to bring “closure”.

Alternatively, maybe he grew to reject the world view handed to him when he was 20. In that case, his retirement might’ve been involuntary.

Either way, his operation can continue under new management. Maybe in Neom?

Posted by: oglalla | Aug 10 2019 18:48 utc | 164

oglalla @164: Can not dismiss the possibility this was his voluntary retirement.

I'm leaning this way also.

That's why he voluntarily flew back.

He probably took some medication that was slipped to him to slow his heart. Once he was taken to the hospital, he was declared "dead" but was secreted out.

TPTB clearly didn't anticipate the uproar over the "suicide". They expected that everyone would think "justice was done" and shrug.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 18:55 utc | 165

"Can you even imagine being assigned to stare at CCTV of one guy sitting in his jail cell for hours at a time?"
Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 18:20 utc | 149

There is more than one guard on duty who monitors those cameras.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 18:56 utc | 166

If there were serious about justice and really pissed out about the "suicide", Ghislane would be in custody.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 18:56 utc | 167

Photos show Jeffrey Epstein as he’s wheeled into Downtown Hospital

The photo in this article looks like a person who has died from strangulation. Notice Epstein's purplish/red head with the rest of his body being pale also notice his clenched hands. His eyes will most likely be bright red if he died by strangulation.

Couple things that caught my eye: A resuscitation call like this involves a lot of interventions so he should have at least one IV/IO line coming from him, which I don't see. It does appear that Epstein is intubated w/ proper ETCO2 monitoring in place. He also has a C-collar on which could mean they suspected an injury to his neck or it could just be part of their post intubation protocol to help ensure his airway remains open. Lastly the paramedic is not in a position to be performing effective CPR, but appears to be performing it anyway.

Posted by: Zack | Aug 10 2019 18:57 utc | 168

O @ 160

Right, I think an EMT can "declare" someone to be dead at the scene but a physician must "pronounce" death and I doubt the physician is coming down to the jail simply to do that.

The body just doesn't go from the death scene to the funeral parlor, does it? Especially in this case a trip to the hospital seems like a political necessity especially if with the potential for murder suspicions.

I once worked as an orderly in a hospital as a kid and discovered two people dead in their room during that time. As I recall, the rules were quickly find the RN in charge of the floor and she would attend to the patient while someone else at the nursing station contacted a physician. I believe in the absence of a physician an RN can pronounce a person dead but a physician will be required to sign off soon as possible.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 18:58 utc | 169

redo

If they were serious about justice and really pissed off about the "suicide", Ghislane would be in custody.

These facts (plus his "death" in hospital) tell us all we need to know. Epstein was allowed to escape.

It's up to the authorities to prove otherwise. Produce the body. Let the women he abused examine the body. They'll know if its him.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 19:02 utc | 170

Ok can you imagine two people being assigned to stare at the screen for hours at a time? It almost seems more likely a screw up could occur with two because "I thought you were watching?" "No, I thought you were watching?"

And, as Zack points out above Epstein looks like he was strangled, well that's pure murder and not "suiciding".

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 19:05 utc | 171

Right, I think an EMT can "declare" someone to be dead at the scene but a physician must "pronounce" death and I doubt the physician is coming down to the jail simply to do that.
Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 18:58 utc | 169

Sometimes you can do it with a phone call to the ER physician.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 19:06 utc | 172

Here's how the known trolls here are unintentionally outing themselves:

By professing 'concern' about possible damage to the credibility of this website.

Let's appeal to simple logic. Why would someone who disagrees CONSISTENTLY with everything the author writes, have any attachment and therefore 'concern' about said author and website?

There is no logical reason, and it makes absolutely no sense. If they disagree with everything and everyone here 24/7, they would simply leave. The last thing they would do is feign concern about the site's 'credibility.'

So we see once again that the troll business needs to raise its game, and hire more competent and intelligent trolls, who don't go around making themselves so painfully obvious.

Second point. For weeks now many highly respected observers have been making the perfectly reasonable point that Epstein knows too much, and is therefore likely to turn up dead in his jail cell.

This too is not rocket science. But now when all of those observers' predictions have come true, we get practically hysterical denunciations of the obvious conclusion.

Bernhard is a respected and increasingly prominent commentator in the alternative media space, who is increasingly cited by other well-known and highly respected commentators.

Let's see what some of those other commentators will say about this 'suicide.'

Then we can look at this thread and see just which individuals are grossly out of sync with the prevailing view.

Posted by: flankerbandit | Aug 10 2019 19:07 utc | 173

And then there is this tidbit in Zack's link:

The accused sex trafficker was on suicide watch two weeks ago after he was found nearly unconscious in his cell with injuries to his neck, though he was no longer under surveillance at the time he took his own life.

No one was watching.....therefore we will never know the truth with certainty....lol. Of course.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 19:11 utc | 174

From all the images you can find inside the MCC cells it sure does look hard to hang yourself in them.
http://davidlangner.blogspot.com/2016/05/former-mcc-corrections-guard-gets-7.html

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 19:11 utc | 175

Uncle Jon @141--

At the top of the comment box I placed OT----OT----OT----for those desiring a reality-based commercial break from the ongoing Soap Opera which I've done in the past. I made my reality-based comment upon the Soap Opera--that the case should continue despite Epstein's demise as it's not just about him--which a few other commentators agreed with. Do I have questions about this event? Yes, most certainly. Will I get any of them answered by participants in this thread? No. Nobody here is at all capable of answering the most basic and important questions related to this event. That's why I term this thread a Soap Opera, and this will likely be my last comment as I have other responsibilities to address.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2019 19:13 utc | 176

@173
"Here's how the known trolls here are unintentionally outing themselves:

By professing 'concern' about possible damage to the credibility of this website."

Uh-huh. That's why they are called "concern trolls."

Posted by: Really? | Aug 10 2019 19:14 utc | 177

Funny how another intelligence asset (el chapo) is being held at MCC.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 19:18 utc | 178

Again hard to see how someone can hang themselves in a room like this and not be noticed.


https://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/1821277_032717-wls-el-chapo-iteam-6p-vid.jpg?w=800&r=16%3A9

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 19:20 utc | 179


Look at New York Post photo #2 of 'Epstein" being wheeled into hospital and then compare to same side profile in the widely reproduced photo of Epstein strolling with Prince Andrew. Compare ears.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 10 2019 19:21 utc | 180

Case in point:

Retired CIA officer and highly respected alt-media commentator Dr. Philip Giraldi writes today:

One has to wonder how he managed to kill himself, if that is indeed the case, as he was reportedly on suicide watch at the prison and it is to be presumed that he had been stripped of any clothing or accoutrements that would have been usable to that end.

So, he is dead but did he do it himself or was he helped? There are many prominent individuals and powerful government agencies that will be very pleased that he is gone as most of his secrets will have gone to the grave with him.

I'm sure there will be many, many more. Maybe the trolls here should go and express their 'concern' for the 'credibility' of all of these commentators too...LOLOLOL

We also note that in the preceding days rightwing personality Ann Coulter [a lawyer by trade] actually wrote the bureau of prisons and urged that Epstein be moved to a supermax facility for his own safety.

Yeah the trolls here are VERY OBVIOUS and so is their unmistakable odor.

Posted by: flankerbandit | Aug 10 2019 19:26 utc | 181

That so many concern trolls have outed themselves here shows how important the powers that be consider the Epstein case. They consider that case more important than the credibility of several commenters.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 10 2019 19:27 utc | 182

to karlof1 # 176

Hey good guy - don't let them get under your skin. Your comments are too important. I saw the OT OT at once, and was glad to see your post. Deep breath please. Cheers. Miss L

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Aug 10 2019 19:36 utc | 184

I have seen claim by (presumably) a guard...he says he thinks it was a swap...our boy is on his way to an unnamed middle eastern state...gues which one!

I have copy in jpeg

He says:

"After 415 count they took him medical. Wheelchair...no triage nurse says she saw him. They do not release on weekends w/o judge ordering it...
Trip van shows up, not signed in and no record of plate nr made (cameras?) According to gate guy there was a green uniformed soldier in van on the way in. Van departs...no records made...At about the same time a man that was supposed to be our boy got put in single man cell.... "You Guys, I am shaking right now, I think they switched him out."

Posted by: Walter | Aug 10 2019 19:36 utc | 185

This was a clear message to the victims to think twice before talking to anyone.

At this point, I don't even believe he's dead, after learning about the claim that the security camera's supposedly malfunctioned.

They could have easily drugged him heavily and wheeled him out on a gurney.

Posted by: Oraneg | Aug 10 2019 19:37 utc | 186

Still no mention of Epstein's cellmate:
DIRTY WESTCHESTER EX-COP IS EPSTEIN’S CELL MATE
https://yonkerstimes.com/dirty-westchester-ex-cop-is-epsteins-cell-mate/

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 19:38 utc | 187

@lizard
nicely stated

Posted by: b real | Aug 10 2019 19:40 utc | 188

donkeytale @153

You would call into medical control first to inform them of the situation, but not common practice to transport a dead person into the hospital for confirmation of death. Can do that over the phone with the med control physician.

Posted by: Zack | Aug 10 2019 19:47 utc | 189

The Washington Post's articles on Epstein onine are not allowing comments.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 10 2019 19:47 utc | 190

Okay let's try this:

A troll is someone who accuses others to be a troll without explicitly stating who the troll would be - thus inciting discord on the comment board.

It makes much more sense to name the troll. Everything else is too obvious, simply out of the 'handbook for trolls'. First there was only one, but there seem to be a lot more now. As this DDG search reveals:

Pick your handbook for Trolls

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 19:51 utc | 191

Suicide ? Couldn't they have at least come up with something more believable like He got his testicles wrapped up in a 220 volt line while they were rewiring his cell for new cameras.

Posted by: Hodi | Aug 10 2019 19:55 utc | 192

Does anyone know which hospital Epstein was taken to? All the reports I have seen just say generic "New York downtown hospital.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 19:56 utc | 193

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 19:56 utc | 193

Would it be,NewYork-Presbyterian Lower Manhattan Hospital? Any reporters there?

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 20:01 utc | 194

Zack @ 189 - thanks for the information...and for posting the article that stated Epstein was not under surveillance. Subsequently I learned Epstein was taken off suicide watch on 7/29, 6 days after his first suicide attempt. There is much consternation being expressed about this in the MSM, by the attorney General etc.

It seems this could have been a convenient decision by the cops along the same lines of the Dallas police letting Jack Ruby inside the parking garage on the day he killed Oswald. Too convenient.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 20:03 utc | 195

Proof of death? Oh ok, the apparently well-informed public has shifted back to trusting the news again... seriously you fucking morons, I must be the only person on this planet with a brain. Do you really think he is dead? He neither committed suicide or was murdered... he is alive and fucking off elsewhere laughing about it.

Proof of death before even considering murder or suicide.... god dam stupid fucks, sometimes you all deserve to be manipulated, you surely don't have the brains to grasp how this kind of thing works.

Posted by: Discernment | Aug 10 2019 20:04 utc | 196

Hoarsewhisperer @104

Bonking under age females with breasts and pubic hair is known as Statutory Rape in most Western countries; the assumption being that the bonkee is deemed to be too young to give Informed Consent to sex with an adult male.

It appears he has a long run doing just that and the stitch appears to have worked well for him. It also appears that he had great success slipping these girls a few bills to get down their pants. I remember being around 14 and getting some with a few girls my age just hanging around the neighborhood. There is a great deal of sexual energy at that age. I would have paid anything to get down the pants of a few of my teachers at that age.

It is an evil thing for men to do to young women. If it was my daughter I would have caught up to him at some point and killed him right in front of his house in NYC. This is the type of scum that rules the planet.

Posted by: dltravers | Aug 10 2019 20:07 utc | 197

Did Robert Maxwell really die, or was his death faked? The autopsy and funeral were in Israel.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 10 2019 20:07 utc | 198

Did Robert Maxwell really drown, or was his death faked? The autopsy and funeral were in Israel.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 10 2019 20:11 utc | 199

In my eyes, the biggest issue surrounding this (and tons of other) events, is to find the truth about what happened. I have been searching the internet (DDG for what it's worth) since the first mentioning of Epstein's reported exitus. But they seem to be all the same. Maybe a statistic could be helpful? Which outlets are reporting what? Does anybody still trust the MSM? Hard to believe. So, where can I get information I can trust to be truthful?

This is the takeaway for me. Since I cannot know what happened, whom should I trust to receive the truth? And furthermore, besides some 'officials speaking under the condition of anonymity', who does know and not just hypothesize, allege, or assume?

What I do remember though is a quote by
William Casey about disinformation.

Although this quote is now also questioned. And Quora gave me a 502 - bad gateway.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 20:15 utc | 200

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