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August 10, 2019

Epstein Suicided

Unsurprisingly Jeffrey Epstein was found dead, presumably by suicide, as that is what 'officials' claim:

Jailed multimillionaire financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide, according to two law enforcement sources.

He was taken from New York's Metropolitan Correctional Center on Saturday morning in cardiac arrest and died at an area hospital, the sources told CNN.
Just weeks ago, Epstein was placed on a suicide watch after he was found July 23 in his Manhattan jail cell with marks on his neck, a law enforcement source and a source familiar with the incident told CNN at the time.

Just yesterday a court released the first 2,000 pages of a civil case against Epstein's madame, Ghislaine Maxwell:

The documents, the largest cache to be released in the 13 years since Epstein’s case began, offer brutal details about Epstein’s trafficking of teenage girls in Palm Beach, New York and overseas — as well as Maxwell’s obsessive and often abusive quest to provide him with new girls over a span of years in the early to mid 2000s.
[Epstein victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre], who turned 36 on Friday, names a number of other men in politics, academia and business that she says she was directed to have sex with. In a 2017 interview with the Miami Herald, Giuffre said that Epstein wanted her to please various influential people then so that he could learn about their sexual peccadilloes and use them as leverage if he needed to.

While there’s no direct evidence contained in the court record substantiating her accounts with prominent men, Giuffre did provide testimony and evidence to corroborate her claims of exploitation at the hands of Epstein and Maxwell through photographs, plane logs and even a medical record from Presbyterian Hospital in New York where Giuffre was taken by Epstein after a particularly abusive sex episode.
Some of the testimony released Friday is difficult to read, as when one 15-year-old Swedish girl, shaking and crying in fear, told a butler who worked for two of Epstein’s closest friends that she had been taken to Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean and ordered to have sex with him and others. The butler, in a sworn statement, said the girl, visibly traumatized, told him that Epstein and Maxwell had physically threatened to harm her and seized her passport to keep her on the island, according to the butler’s statement.

The released court papers can be found via Courthousenews.

Some of those influential people who Epstein, or the organization behind him, blackmailed, will be quite happy that he is gone. They will now try to bury the rest of the case. Giuffre and other witnesses better watch their backs.

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Just when it was getting to be fun;-)

Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 10 2019 13:54 utc | 1

Wow, they were running late on that one. the day the cort ordered to release the documents. What a surprise.

Posted by: dltravers | Aug 10 2019 14:02 utc | 2

Now that Epstein has been silenced, he will not be able to take down the powerful figures he likely had on video abusing underage White girls — control of whom through blackmail by the Jewish power structure was the apparent main purpose of his entire operation

Posted by: Dapper | Aug 10 2019 14:08 utc | 3

Is there any evidence yet that Epstein was murdered?

Otherwise this is fake news. And I have no dog in the Epstein hunt just a preference for b to avoid becoming a hack.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 14:12 utc | 4

So much for 'suicide watch'. I guess the watchers took a bathroom break.

Posted by: dh | Aug 10 2019 14:16 utc | 5

The obvious next person to prosecute is Ghislaine Maxwell, who seems to have disappeared. I suspect she is hiding out in Israel, which has a history of nit extraditing.

However, if they refuse to extradite Maxwell, that will amount to a confession of complicity.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 10 2019 14:18 utc | 6

How convenient.

Posted by: Lozion | Aug 10 2019 14:19 utc | 7

If he did it himself - more than possible - it means that his jailers left him the means to so, sinister itself in the circumstances.

Posted by: Montreal | Aug 10 2019 14:20 utc | 8

Fuck off Donkeytale, you absolute demon. Is someone still paying you to do this or are you one of those guys who volunteers for the same job they hadm the day after retirement? Either way, fuck off.

Posted by: sejomoje | Aug 10 2019 14:21 utc | 9

donkeytale @4

Reports are that he was 'found dead' at 7:30 am local time, he was supposedly on suicide watch, he was a tremendously valuable witness, he could trade his testimony for leniency, a lot of very important people were worried.

No one will believe that Epstein committed suicide voluntarily, I certainly don't.

Posted by: ADKC | Aug 10 2019 14:26 utc | 10

Not extraditing.

I am just now reading David Martin's new book "The Assassination of James Forrestal", about a 1949 murder by the Zionists disguised as suicide.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 10 2019 14:26 utc | 11

Dead men tell no donkeytales.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 14:30 utc | 12

Talk about being transparent. 'Suicide'!, do you like bridges?

Posted by: Deal | Aug 10 2019 14:31 utc | 13

"Gee, who could have predicted this?"

He can sit around with the Skripals and talk over old times.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 10 2019 14:31 utc | 14

He probably became more of a liability and/or stepped on some toes higher up in the food chain.

How many former Israeli prime ministers will attend his funeral?

Ghislaine's lawyers will be happy, she was a victim of Epstein too. Poor child.

Why would anyone watch House of Cards? The real life soap called American politics is way more fun and interesting.

Kevin Spacey walks free. Irony.

Posted by: Symen Danziger | Aug 10 2019 14:35 utc | 15

Make no mistake, Ghislaine will never be extradited by TPTB, for they are still designating her a "Madame"; just a very naughty lady who was adept at pleasing her clients and her "partner". Not a spy, not a slave trader, just an independent and shrewd Mommy of sorts. "Lady Madame Ghislaine". A glamour girl to the end. And without a doubt she'll get the same state funeral as her father when her time comes. That is, if Israel is still a state when she kicks the bucket.

Posted by: sejomoje | Aug 10 2019 14:37 utc | 16

Whew, the Clintons are safe now. That was a close call!

Posted by: S | Aug 10 2019 14:39 utc | 17

Jeffry Epstein suicided- makes it obvious, that the deep state mafia regime in control was feeling intense heat, some one(s) important in the deep state decided overt killing a prisoner in federal prison and trying to defuse the news and public’ obvious disbelief in cause and method, is worth killing him and divert and defuse the mess. For sure the names that would have become public was going to destabilize the DC regime. In next few days before the news is buried, we will see how MSM will divert the narrative, away from the names it is trying to protect. For sure at one time he was "made" and one the "Goodfellas" .

Posted by: kooshy | Aug 10 2019 14:40 utc | 18

The only way his 'suicide' can be considered an actual suicide is if his handlers had so much leverage over him that they could persuade that he (and any loved ones he might have) would all be much better off if he did it himself than if he forces them to do it for him.

That's a possibility I suppose. But the idea that he did just because he couldn't handle life anymore simply doesn't warrant any consideration at all.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 10 2019 14:40 utc | 19

To the donkeytale attack club: Grow the fuq up. I live in El Paso and I have a neighbor who was at the Wal Mart. There are already people spreading bullshit conspiracy multi-shooter theories and I would guess that if you had a violently negative reaction to donkeytale's reasoned request/question then I think you're probably in that group. You need to be banned or this site will have taken a serious dive off the cliff of credibility.

Posted by: KC | Aug 10 2019 14:41 utc | 20

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 14:12 utc | 4

"And I have no dog in the Epstein hunt"

You have some psychological issues, then. You are also not a very smart person to talk openly like this.

Posted by: Passer by | Aug 10 2019 14:41 utc | 21

@ donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 14:12 utc | 4

I responded to Your last response to me on this thread:

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2019-45

It is the last entry on that thread. Just wanted to let You know.


How convenient that Epstein is no longer in the perpetrator protection program. The witness protection program was obviously never considered, or applied. Someone wrote that the Epstein case proved that there are two justice systems in the US: one for the rich and one for the suckers. Although that is not quite correct, as the one for the suckers must be called InjusticeSystem.

It also goes to show, that while people desperately attempt to change their 'elected officials', they have no whatsoever control over the 'unelected officials'. Those decide over the (In-)Justice system with impunity. How would the 'Supreme' Court look like if The People would elect its members? Citizen United would have never happened? But that it did - outside of any say of the population it affected the most - is one reason why the truth about Epstein's Johns will never surface. How many of the supreme court justices visited 'penetrate-a-minor-girl island?

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 14:43 utc | 22

He certainly had reason to. There would have been no hope for another deal after the publishing of the Giuffre files.

I guess someone helped him do it.

I suppose Ghislaine Maxwell will do a Lord Lucan.

For some reason there are names in the published files but there also are an anonymous “another prince,” a "foreign president," a well-known prime minister"

Posted by: somebody | Aug 10 2019 14:45 utc | 23


Correct. No evidence has yet to emerge. Your beliefs notwithstanding.

If I were Epstein I would have a powerful motive to commit suicide. And some may have powerful motive to murder him. There is nothing yet to suggest her was murdered.

I cite this as an example of the disinformational slippery slope which in other contexts leads to the election of Trump, for instance, or the passage of Brexit.

IOW, suicide is not the only form of self-inflicted self-harm.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 14:46 utc | 24

This *outcome* was to be expected.
Is he dead?
I don't think so.
From everything I've read the past few weeks, I'd say this whole 'affair', was orchestrated.
The flight to Teterboro, NJ had absolutely a 100% definite arrest-on-site warning signs flashing scenario!
The(((_____))) are very good at *Theater/ by way of Deception*.
Let's take just 1-example. Hollyweird. lol
That's Right.
"Theater for the[M]asses".
Why this now?
BB-nut-and-yahoo will do ANYTHING, to guarantee Tronald Dump is re-elected next year.
That's Why!!!
Where's espstein-the-pedo-perv?
Most likely with his ghislane maxwell in jIzzreal.
Think about it. It's a win-win for all of them.
The *House* always wins. That's why we are all slaves.

Posted by: Veritas X- | Aug 10 2019 14:47 utc | 25

That probably means he was just a really rich pervert whose luck ran out rather than a Mossad or CIA asset tasked with collecting kompromat on influential people. A pampered twit like Epstein, used to a life of luxury and leisure, in jail on a sex charge would be eaten alive and quite possibly killed. I speculated after he was arrested that he would try to kill himself if he faced a long stretch in jail and it looks like that's what happened. Of course plenty of people will claim his suicide was faked etc. but unless they have credible evidence to back that up I will go with 'Occam's razor' on this.

Posted by: Daniel | Aug 10 2019 14:51 utc | 26

They day MoA comments jumped the shark.

And I say this as someone who believes that there was sure to be an Israel connection.

Posted by: KC | Aug 10 2019 14:52 utc | 27

Thank you adults-in-the-room for sagely cautioning us not to indulge conspiracy theories, never to speculate, but only to follow the breadcrumbs we are given.

As for Epstein, dead men tell no tales, or 'dead' mean tell no tales, or whatever it is...

Posted by: paul | Aug 10 2019 14:52 utc | 28

KC, since you apparently don't know this, Donkeytale has been trolling independent forums like this since around 2005 and he has never changed, philosophically or rhetorically. I find it hard to believe so many still coddle him here, but the online collective unconscious is reliably retarded.

Posted by: sejomoje | Aug 10 2019 14:53 utc | 29


"he was a very valuable witness."

Was he a valuable witness? He could take the fifth amendment all day long afaik.

I get this is a nice titillating piece of infotainment, so I'm just adding to the fun for the overly-titillated among us.

Psst. Kennedys were murdered too and Building 7 was imploded by a planted bomb.

Valuable facts which led to popular uprisings against the deep state state perps.


Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 14:59 utc | 30

Epstein was inevitably facing life in jail. But, if he talked, he could have been given leniency in the form of a sentence served in a country club prison.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 10 2019 15:02 utc | 31

Of all this kabuki we are witnessing, I keep asking

Who has the movie rights to what we are living?

Cui bono?

What sort of perfidy will be hid behind this episode in public rumor mongering?

In the interim there is still a war going on with the China axis, right?

The words from one of Greived's latest remarks in the "No Russia/Iran base" thread comes back to me
One day we must get beyond the persons and swear allegiance to the issues.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 10 2019 15:05 utc | 32

I think on this thread we are seeing Sunstein's cognitive infiltration in the form of a number of commenters trying to shift the discussion. The powers that be are very sensitive about the Epstein issue.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 10 2019 15:06 utc | 33

oops, nottheonly1 @ 25 -OT-

I did read your response and found it also very interesting as the other thoughts you offered. You packed a lot of wallop into your posts on that thread. If I have an adequate response I will be sure to post it in this week's Week in Review thread. Thanks

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 15:07 utc | 34

Fortunately, there are no conspiracies, and the Clinton Dead Pool is one such not-a-conspiracy.

Posted by: Ross | Aug 10 2019 15:10 utc | 35

We live in a national security state run by criminals. Expecting justice from the legal system is like expecting to elect a president who will drain the swamp. It is a democracy theme park, where the levers and handles are not attached to anything.

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 10 2019 15:13 utc | 36

Epstein's death - assuming he hasn't been "spirited" away to somewhere welcoming and unwilling to extradite, ever, (I wonder which "country" that might be) - and its timing is awfully convenient.

And the fact that he was supposedly on suicide watch after his "apparent" attempt some days earlier gives one pause. Either the so-called suicide watch is really negligent and Epstein was given/allowed both the "space" and the means (surely the means would, under suicide watch, be rendered null?) or his death by *suicide* is questionable.

Posted by: AnneR | Aug 10 2019 15:16 utc | 37

Anyone know what happened to Epstein's cellmate. A former cop convicted of murder?

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 15:16 utc | 38

We forget that there are still other (((predators))) on the loose to include Polanski, Woody Allen, and a list of others. I will not say that they are all jews because George Bush Sr, was a known pedophile and he died at a ripe old age of 94 (and some people believe in karma..yeah right). Of course he was also the head of the CIA and the Warren commission, so he could afford to do what he did and get away with it. Don't believe me, check into the Franklin Child Abuse scandal and this Washington Times article.

Unless "We the People" take these predators down, they will continue to destroy children.

Posted by: Tonymike | Aug 10 2019 15:20 utc | 39

Since hollywood is so bankrupt for ideas i wonder if someone will do a citizen kane type story based on epistein, For those who dont know citizen kane was basically an unflattering biography about a thinly veiled william randolph hurst expry (Hurst did everything possible to try to kill the film when he heard about it). This might be the only way we get anything close to even an approximation of what the truth was behind Epistein

Posted by: Kadath | Aug 10 2019 15:21 utc | 40

Can't help but think about Deborah Jeane Palfrey, known as the "D.C. Madam," was also suicided.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 15:24 utc | 41

donkeytale @35

The Kennedy's were murdered! Perhaps John-John as well!

The building 7 was destroyed! There are reasons why it would suit a lot of people if building 7 was destroyed.

What you are doing is playing with American shame; that the people could not bring truth and closure to these events.

Epstein 'suicide' looks like it will also prevent justice and closure.

How can America move forward progressively without resolving such issues?

You are right that such events should lead to uprusings; they didn't, another source of shame.

Do you really think that the people will rise up and follow AOC for Medicare4All when they can't insist on justice and truth for the above issues.

It's not titillating, it's shaming!

Posted by: ADKC | Aug 10 2019 15:24 utc | 42

I especially like how his suicide was staged on a Friday evening when people wont be paying that much attention. That has always been the best time for governments to release bad news

Posted by: Kadath | Aug 10 2019 15:25 utc | 43

"'What is truth?' said jesting Pilate, and would not stay for an answer." --Francis Bacon

Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 10 2019 15:27 utc | 44

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: Ken | Aug 10 2019 15:30 utc | 45

Let me get this straight.
It is okay now to curse at
someone who writes what he/she
thinks? Who knows who is behind
any of the monikers?
The verbal slurs against another
commenter are more than appalling.
There are enough paid stooges
commenting here - most obviously.
But even those are not insulted
as the commenter in question.
That gives it away.

And to all those who sit on a high
Do you really believe you know what
is going on? Do you have any proof,
any evidence? From here, on this
side of the screen - I got nothing.
All I get has been provided by others.
I don't trust any news nowadays.
Nobody should.

Word has it that the Mafia demanded
proof of a successful hit. How come
it is so incomprehensible to question
any official story? Oh, yes. That's
right. I forgot. The FBI says that
those who question the official
narrative are likely domestic terrorists.
Got it. Very compelling reason to
believe anything the regime tells its

As I have made my opinion about the
minor-girl-penetration-business quite clear,
I need to see images of the dead man.
Or an independent examiner that can
verify that is indeed the minor-girl

Off to find that out.

I do expect B to erase the verbally
abusive comments. For no other reason
than to maintain a minimum of civility.
Thank you.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 15:31 utc | 46

Where's Ghislane?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 15:32 utc | 47

Epstein dead body pic?

Posted by: Lozion | Aug 10 2019 15:33 utc | 48

I wonder if they will do an autopsy, or maybe he will get "cremated" right away? If the former, I'd say maybe he actually did kill himself, if the latter, definitely not. Of course autopsies don't have to be accurate either. "Who gets the remains?" is another good question. "Why the heck did he show up to get arrested like that?" is another one.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 10 2019 15:33 utc | 49


Yes. I forgot about John-John!

To answer the more pertinent question of following AOC and Medicare4All.

Yes, as a matter of fact I do believe Amerikkkans can organise behind Medicare4all and back AOC (or whomever) without ever expecting to learn the whole truth about any of Amerikkka's worstest darkest impulses, whether we are titillated by these or ashamed or both.

I mean our white forebears stole the continent and genocided the natives in the process and yet we susbequently arranged for social security and Medicare/Medicaid too so....I guess I fail to see the deep connection you see, although I do appreciate what you are saying...that we Amerikkkans are sick fucks simply by the accident of our birth places.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 15:35 utc | 50

"If I were Epstein I would have a powerful motive to commit suicide."
posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 14:46 utc | 24

Can you elaborate on this? I really can't see a person accustomed to a lavish lifestyle and extremely self indulgent would want to do this, it couldn't be out of shame for his predictions were already known for decades even in the media.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 15:35 utc | 51

Wow!! Those suckers at the BBC manage NOT to mention Maxwell or Prince Andrew (ok... they are mentioned in some of the links they give, but come one!!)

Posted by: Mina | Aug 10 2019 15:36 utc | 52

Epstein, never married, no acknowledeged children. Odd for someone who wanted to populate the world with his progeny... someone suggested that now his estate(s) canbe freely searched. We will see if this all goes away or if some pitbulls in Miami keep after others who have been implicated. When the DC Madam was murdered/committed suicide every lead went dark and her little black book disappeared as I recall...

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 10 2019 15:37 utc | 53

Where's Ghislane?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 15:32 utc | 47

Yes the Mossad handler for Epstein.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 15:39 utc | 54

As predicted by myself in a previous thread. Whether dead or on the beach in Tel Aviv, this is par for the course. And furthermore, it shows that the US government is the most corrupt and evil in the world.

Orgy island to be continued at another location.

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 10 2019 15:39 utc | 55

You look for yourself.
Search terms:

jeffrey epstein dead

By images.

People were shown images of the dead Saddam (with video of botched up execution), the dead Osama (controversial, I know) and the dead Colonel Qaddafi. Why are there no
images of the dead pimp? You will find tons of videos of Black Lives taken by 'law' enforcement. The population deserves to see this guy dead in the morgue.

End of that.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 15:42 utc | 56

I find the Pavlovian reactions shown here by quite a number of people very painful to witness.

Like there can be any doubt Epstein would have more than enough reason to kill himself. A sexual marauder, a high-roller, the world’s no. 1 pimp, probably an “Intelligence” asset in a class of its own, a guy who knew none of the boundaries us mortals usually face – confined to a tiny cell and prison life. With the prospect of having your sad and perverse life dissected in court, of having to explain and justify your actions, of having to go through harrowing witnesses’ statements. Yeah, what’s not to look forward to in there?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 10 2019 15:44 utc | 57

lysias 11
I read that book last month! The official story still stands but the truth is out there. And it was not surprising to see that any evidence contrary to the official story of a paranoid, crazy man committing suicide didn't go anywhere.

I expect the Epstein story and its details to fade as well because many in power want it to. It's been interesting to read of the ties between Bill Browder, Robert Maxwell, and Jeffrey Epstein. Very shady dealings with so much submerged.

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 10 2019 15:44 utc | 58

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 15:42 utc | 56

Yea it is quite laughable now in the age of the panopticon surveillance state and camera phones, no images exist of Epstein's dead body. No info on his cellmate, or whereabouts of Ghilsane Maxwell.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 15:46 utc | 59

Posted by: Mina | Aug 10 2019 15:48 utc | 60
An article from 2015 is not recent.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 15:50 utc | 61

O @ 51-

does this require elaboration? I read your linked Daily News article. I have spent some time behind bars myself (although not for sex crimes I hasten to add) and while not in possession of as lavish lifestyle as Epstein I would probably have a difficult time tolerating much of the rest of my life spent in similar conditions.

And I get that Club Fed is a much better living environment than pre-trial holding cells but only by degrees...and he was going to be held in pre-trial for a long time while the press and alt media had a field day with his story.

The Clinton conection of course leads to all sorts of rightwing created conspiracy theorues which Barflies too love to swarm all over like a fresh batch of dogshit on the sidewalk.

Clinton likes/liked having sex with young, possible underage girls?

Get out of town!

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 15:53 utc | 62

That article is very clearly from January 2015, Mina

Posted by: sejomoje | Aug 10 2019 15:55 utc | 63

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 10 2019 15:44 utc | 57

This was not Epstein's first time through the courtroom ringer, and because of that I would think he would felt this was just another flare up that would eventually go away like it has in the past. He got off scott free for raping young girls in past.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 15:55 utc | 64

Now we understand what they mean by "suicide watch"....they mean watching the mark kill himself. Or maybe it means creating the legend so people will believe the fake to come?

However I would like to see proof he's dead.

If he is/was smart he's established a deadman switch...if so that alone would create a power reason to fake death, eh?

Corbett established that McVeigh execution may well have been faked, so why not a "suicide? see Corbett > Episode 305 – The Secret Life of Timothy McVeigh

Posted by: Walter | Aug 10 2019 15:55 utc | 65
The guy is having problems because of what he is posting on the Epstein case. You imagine a guy who had a portrait of MbS and was best friend with Ehud Barak must have had a few guarantees to back him up.

thanks for noticing!! i didn't! it was on the top page of twitter for maxwell as the latest news
obviously Google is doing its best with the BBC etc to bury the whole thing.
This morning after I posted here the link in German regarding censorship, i went back on the twitterfeed for #EpsteinUnsealed and some of the tweets i had seen in the last 20 mn had disappeared when i looked again for the latest tweets...

Posted by: Mina | Aug 10 2019 15:55 utc | 66

I started writing the poem below because it was just the 50th anniversary of the Manson Tate slayings
I just read Tom O'Neill's book Chaos and it has some incredible stuff connecting Sidney Gottlieb to Jolly West, and placing Jolly West at the Haight free clinic in '67 when Charlie and the girls where getting their "treatment".

I was in the middle of writing this when I heard Epstein was suicided and had to incorporate it near the end.

we are living in very dark times and just by paying attention I'm concerned we are participating, in some way, with their processes.


Charlie lit an onion bomb
that blew the noosphere into
300 million pieces of jagged atmosfear

who did Charlie haight so much
in San Francisco?
Shadow Sid and JJ Angel?

onion bombs touch the part of us
outside time

stories splatter like brain matter
and the Nephilim scoop it up greedily
for their blackhole soup bowls

black magic onion bombs
spreading fear-death
in deep lust for the time-spot
and the prize of forever—

that is what they are after
with their Palantir spy eyes
pimping glamour death
to soften fresh souls
for their banquets

surface sparks and clown noses with orange hair
have angry poles sharpening their teeth
for a strategic cannibalizing
of our power—

the power to love beyond self
is a power denied them as they gobble the essence
of life
while missing the whole point

because their feeling is an emptiness of feeling
consuming all

now, in the epoch of lead rain,
the endless hunger of self-styled wolves
uses each ritualized death spectacle
to further an order their chaos will make us demand

while awareness grows
a million dead-ends are conjured
to stupefy the seekers

what once was a rigor of intuition
has been blunted by trauma and trolls under
each hopeful bridge

trolls who bludgeon honest exchanges
into rust-red stains

to state it plainly: we are being driven insane

understand onion bombs
have layers of meaning
and reverberations beyond what our senses
can detect

I once thought true detectives
could discover the origin without core loss
of compass tied to heart

but the dark magnetism of charred remains
is still occulted to a left brain moving forward
with heart roots

the dead body of old Jeff
found in his cell
killed on the day it happened 50 years ago—

they’ll say by his own hand
but those familiar with twilight language know
the true meaning of suicide watch
and can feel the detonation of an onion bomb

when it blows another hole
in our holy web,

the end

Posted by: lizard | Aug 10 2019 15:57 utc | 67

A BI article on Thursday had Leslie Wexner distancing himself from Epstein with the accusation that Epstein "missappropriated" $46 million.

They all say they cut ties with Epstein 12 years ago when the charges first surfaced. And yet, Epstein still got around and hobnobbed with the rich and shameless ever since then.

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 10 2019 15:57 utc | 68

I guess the DC regime must have called MBS for recommendation on a good brand bone saw.

Posted by: kooshy | Aug 10 2019 15:58 utc | 69

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 15:53 utc | 62

Yes it requires elaboration because this was not Epstein's first courtroom rodeo. To believe the official narrative on this is incredibly naive.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 15:58 utc | 70

Epstein by all recent accounts wasn't actually "smart", just pathologically driven and well-funded. Someone gave him a leg-up very early on; just an undeniable fact if you study his bio. He would not have any incriminating evidence stored at his properties or in his personal effects, it would've been funneled to whoever he was working for long ago. Point is, he trusted his bosses. His brain, Ghislaine's brain; those are the only two places outside of Tel Aviv that the info was still stored.

If he had prepared a dead man's switch, he would have pulled it years ago.

Posted by: sejomoje | Aug 10 2019 16:01 utc | 71

The Clinton conection of course leads to all sorts of rightwing created conspiracy theorues which Barflies too love to swarm all over like a fresh batch of dogshit on the sidewalk.

Clinton likes/liked having sex with young, possible underage girls?

Get out of town!

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 15:53 utc | 62

Is this David Brock or Cass Sunstein?

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 16:05 utc | 72

@ Scotch Bingeington | Aug 10 2019 15:44 utc | 57

I find the Pavlovian reactions shown here by quite a number of people very painful to witness.

Like there can be any doubt Epstein would have more than enough reason to kill himself. A sexual marauder, a high-roller, the world’s no. 1 pimp, probably an “Intelligence” asset in a class of its own, a guy who knew none of the boundaries us mortals usually face – confined to a tiny cell and prison life. With the prospect of having your sad and perverse life dissected in court, of having to explain and justify your actions, of having to go through harrowing witnesses’ statements. Yeah, what’s not to look forward to in there?

Yours is by far the most Pavlovian reaction to this news. Or is it 'news'?

Let me get this straight for your to think about it. The guy has enough money to spend after he gets out of jail. How any years would he get in a Justice system that was lenient in the first place? Different folks now in the Justice Department? Let's say he would get five years, no make it ten. I seriously doubt he wouldn't get parole after some time for exemplary behavior. And he promised to not continue his crimes. Remember that it suffices to confess to the public and apologize for what you did - for the evangelical faction to forgive you. Hell, make that 'Christian faction'. He would sign a confidentiality agreement in exchange for his life to those who would take it otherwise. Lots of money to use in a corrupted society.

Jeffrey Epstein would know that the average attention span of Americans is as long as the trail of a shooting star in the night. Another mass shooting and "Who? Epstein? Never heard of him."

It is you, who fits the findings of Pavlov quite well. However, from personal experience at the Humane Society, I know that there is no dog that cannot be re-trained, or re-conditioned to be a friendly doggie.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 16:07 utc | 73

O - You are wrong here, where did I say or imply that I believed the official narrative? I'm pretty certain I said I don't yet believe either the official or the unofficial narrative at this point.

I can see both possibilities.

As for this not being his first rodeo, remember he was a much younger man in a much different era, pre #MeToo most importantly.

Was he held behind bars for a long stretch pre-trial the first time or bailed out?

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 16:07 utc | 74


My first thought. In fact, I had this thought as soon as I heard of the first Epstein suicide "attempt." I am sure I am not alone. Just when we thought we were going to see whose names actually were in her little black book, she conveninetly disappears, and the little black book slides down the memory hole.

Remember it was Reagan who said: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Oh, yes, and Gary Webb supposedly also committed suicide. And a number of the JFK witnesses who planned to come forward some years/decades after his death---poof! Heart attack the day before the planned interrogation (see Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable).

Anyone who believes this new (and richly predicted) suicide story is a fool. Gimme an effing break!
The guy was on "suicide watch"! That can only mean that the people in charge of this supposed watch were the ones who administered the tiny shot (leaves no trace in the skin) that brought about heart failure.

Posted by: Really?? | Aug 10 2019 16:08 utc | 75

lizard @ 67

Haight free clinic in '67 when Charlie and the girls where getting their "treatment".

I had a piece of some of that action. Those girls were everywhere and easy for about a decade after that happened. Those were they days. LSD was free, people would just hand it out.

Anyone who gets themselves involved in an Epstein like operation who does not know they are expendable is an idiot.

Posted by: dltravers | Aug 10 2019 16:09 utc | 76

Deposition unsealed yesterday where the Epstein victim, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, exonerated Trump of any involvement (Pg. 25-26)
>Pic related

Numerous Democrats, including former New Mexico Governor & Obama admin official Bill Richardson, 16 current Democrat Congressmen identified as perpetrators by Epstein victims:


Posted by: dan | Aug 10 2019 16:11 utc | 77

How convenient, just after Florida opened its own investigation into the original plea arraignment that threatened to unseal Epstein's financial records. But just because Epstein's no more doesn't mean the investigation should end; others in the DoJ broke the law then, not Epstein. Plus, his operation was what's known as a "ring", a conspiracy, a racketeering operation involving numerous others, some known, some not. I wonder what his will says?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2019 16:11 utc | 78

Was he held behind bars for a long stretch pre-trial the first time or bailed out?

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 16:07 utc | 74

Yes this is the longest he as been detained, on suicide watch with a cellmate.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 16:12 utc | 79

@58, Curtis re Browder

I hadn't seen anything connecting Browder to Epstein. Although it would make sense.

Can you provide a few links on this?

Posted by: Really?? | Aug 10 2019 16:13 utc | 80


The flaw in your argument is that Epstein wasn't getting out this time and he knew it.

He may have been killed and he may have killed himself precisely because of what is to follow.

I believe like Karlof1 that the investigation should definitely continue because of what is to follow and also now should include whether or not Epstein was "suicided".

And if Clinton or Prince Andrew or wtf is found guilty of sex crimes then he should rot in jail too.

After all, Bill Cosby, white Amerikkka's favourite black father figure went to jail didn't he? Although granted he is black and he is also forgotten at this point in the ever rushing news cycle....but he is still behind bars, isn't he?

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 16:19 utc | 81

Just a reminder Epstein and Trump were accused of raping a 13 year old girl.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 16:21 utc | 82

@ O | Aug 10 2019 15:46 utc | 59

Yea it is quite laughable now in the age of the panopticon surveillance state and camera phones, no images exist of Epstein's dead body. No info on his cellmate, or whereabouts of Ghilsane Maxwell.

My contention is, that how likely is it that those working around him, guarding him, would be very fond of him?

Now, I allege it could have been the other way around. That those surrounding him despised him. For a ton of reasons. How unlikely is it that those who despised him would find him dead, not been taking pictures with their cell phones? Only inmates are not permitted to carry cell phones. Anybody correct me if I am wrong.

It in indeed inconceivable that nobody would take pictures of him. Where are they? There are platforms where one can post images anonymously.

For the haters on this board:

If it is no longer possible to theorize about ANY possible scenario, you can have this board for yourself as it would proof that it resembles controlled dissent. Anything should go - as long as there is no factual evidence to the contrary.

That is my opinion.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Aug 10 2019 16:22 utc | 83

i recommend a granny award transformating the meaning of dead into breathing elsewhere is quite a trick. .. I agree until the body is presented, the DNA evidence is confirmed by all wishing to take a sample the show must go on..

Posted by: snake | Aug 10 2019 16:23 utc | 84

i am sorry I forget to add this bit of evidence to my Epstein comment.

Posted by: snake | Aug 10 2019 16:28 utc | 85

O, nottheonly1

The guy just died within the last few hours. Pretty sure no one is allowed cell phones in jail. Have either of you actually ever been in jail? Lol.

The images from the surveillance cameras may well come out at some point....or may not.

Yes, we are all free to believe whatever we want....and also free to disbelieve whatever we want.

IMHO, belief is potentially far more dangerous than any political context.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 16:33 utc | 86

Known trolls for the imperial establishment trying to FUD the narrative that this is murder is proof enough that it is murder for me.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 10 2019 16:36 utc | 87

Hum,has actually someone seen him dead?

Posted by: willie | Aug 10 2019 16:37 utc | 88

To those who think "suicide watch" is some magical way to prevent suicide, and that his death would imply some action by a third party to kill him, maybe i can shed some light on the procedure, as it is handled in Germany (And very likely at least inspired from US procedures):

1. The inmate does get a cell with a fellow inmate, so he is not alone, and is observed by that inmate too.
2. Additionally, to normal security measures, the inmate gets taken away all things with which he could harm himself
3. Wardens control the inmate visually in a pre determined interval of e.g. 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 60 minutes.
4. In special cases inmates are transferred into special cells with rubber walls and floors, like one would think in a mental hospital (Gummizelle is the German term).

Now, in consequence:
1. When the other inmate does not look, sleeps or simply does not give a shit, this has no effect
2. While belts, show laces and sharp things are removed, one can easily improvise a rope from a piece of bed linen etc. to hand themselves on the water fountain or classically on the window grille, jump from a double story bed head first breaking ones neck or bleeding themselves, slitting the wrist to bleed to death (something sharp can always be found or made, overdosing on drugs the inmate acquired from other inmates...

I myself have witnessed multiple people successfully kill themselves under suicide watch in the pretty short times i myself was an inmate in a maximum security prison. And i myself have been at times under suicide watch, and I know myself that if you want to do it, you got plenty of options.
After some days you know how the system works, and have multiples options if you choose so.
Plus, guards are always lazy, and cheat on the interval. E.g. checking only once an hour instead of every 15 minutes.
But even the 15 minutes is plenty of time.

So him being on suice watch and still killing himself IS NO PROOF OF NOTHING.
That said, i dont exclude something like this.

Maybe he had a conscience. Maybe he felt ashamed. Maybe not, and only had not the balls to face what he did.
Maybe some told him it would be better for him, or that there are actually people he loved and that he got threatened that those people would be hurt.
Who knows? Not we certainly.

IMHO it is TYPICALL for such people as him to commit suicide.
He may have some smarts concerning the rich and famous, but in a federal jail, he is FUCKED.
And no solitary confinement (Already gone on suicide watch, where he is at least in a 2 man cell) can protect him.
Taking a shower, free time, sport, work, visiting waiting cell.. Countless times to get that mofo, and put a shank to his dick.

A pedo is already done in prison, but a prominent pedo???
He killed himself to not get assfucked till it bleeds, to not have to get abused like he abused.

He had no future, and he doing himself was realizing he played out.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Aug 10 2019 16:41 utc | 89

IMHO, belief is potentially far more dangerous than any political context.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 10 2019 16:33 utc | 86

So we are supposed to believe according to the official narrative a man who is the central figure of perhaps one of the biggest court cases in recent memory with far reaching political ramifications, under suicide watch, with a cellmate was just allowed to kill himself. Furthermore this man equally well known accomplice in his crimes is nowhere to be found.

If this man did commit suicide why are the stories so vague on how did he do it?

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 16:42 utc | 90

donkeytale @50

As chance would have it, AOC appears to have a House of Representatives oversight role with regard to Epstein's 'suicide' and is loudly demanding answers; she sounds a lot more sceptical than you!

This is a good opportunity to show if she has substance. Let's see what she does!

Posted by: ADKC | Aug 10 2019 16:43 utc | 91

Epstein would have had this to weigh:
a) 1-2 years in his current settings; this did not sound like Club Fed.

b) Then a trail with 2 outcomes:

i) A decent chance of an acquittal. Consider Robert Durst and OJ. When was the last time a wealthy, good looking person was convicted?

I) A hung jury would have been a distinct possibility given societal taboo's against sexual abuse (not that that is a bad thing!).

ii) Conviction, with several years in Club Fed and I doubt if he would have been put into a situation where he was physically endangered.

I tend to weigh against suicide, but do understand donkeytale's comments.

Posted by: Schmoe | Aug 10 2019 16:46 utc | 92

I did forget to add: "five dancing isrealis" are on the dance floor.

Posted by: Tonymike | Aug 10 2019 16:47 utc | 93

I understand that it was virtually impossible for Epstein to commit suicide in that cell short of holding his breath and asphyxiating himself. Ergo, he probably did not.

Posted by: Blue | Aug 10 2019 16:48 utc | 94


“......But just because Epstein's no more doesn't mean the investigation should end...”

This was a message. To all others. Button up or else. If you think this will go any further, you are kidding yourself. All the files, videos, testimonials and witnesses will be buried with him, whether he is dead or not.

Btw, pretty sensational, don't you think?

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Aug 10 2019 16:49 utc | 95

DontBelieveEitherPr. @89

Sorry, I don't buy it.

A Shocked World Reacts To News Of Epstein's Impossible 'Suicide':

One self-proclaimed corrections officer said on Reddit that Epstein's suicide should never have been possible.
I’m a corrections officer. This should never have been possible. During the intake process due to the nature of his crimes and being famous he should have already been on special watch. Then after the first attempt he would have been in a special cell. He would be in what we call a “pickle suit” it’s a green suit that you can’t tear or tie to anything. His blankets would be the same material. He would only get hygiene products under supervision. Only thing allowed in his cell would be a book and court papers. Then we would be monitored more closely. This is a huge failing on the jail. I want a massive investigation on how this was able to happen.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 10 2019 16:49 utc | 96

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Aug 10 2019 16:41 utc | 89
Total BS.

Posted by: O | Aug 10 2019 16:51 utc | 97

O 82
And Bill Clinton was accused of rape by Juanita Broaddrick.

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 10 2019 16:51 utc | 98

The NYT this morning is reporting that it is not known if Epstein was on a suicide watch. Clearly, he should have been after the recent incident in which he was found unconscious and with injury marks around his neck. I think it is not at all unlikely that he did commit suicide, but also that he was allowed or even aided in doing so.

Posted by: Rob | Aug 10 2019 16:52 utc | 99

Looking into the Wexler-Epstein ties led to the Mega Group. (first time I've heard of it)

Posted by: Curtis | Aug 10 2019 16:52 utc | 100

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