Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 17 2019 17:59 utc | 193
“Nothing to get hung about.”
–Strawberry jokes…at a time like this…
[Why not?–Poke them hornets.]

Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 17 2019 19:19 utc | 203

bevin @ 200
I think some on this board have already shown the difference between statutory rape and pedophile charge in the US. They are quite different indeed. In either case the outcome would be very different in prison.
Personally I have run off 18 year old guys trying to date my 17 year old daughter. I told them that this relationship could very well land him in prison if caught and I explained why. End of relationship and some common sense and my societies norms and laws were applied. This is not the 17th century where most would die of old age at 48 hence you would start a family early. Some lines must apply.
This happens with some regularity in the prison system. “Pedophiles” are regarded as fair game and one of the
reasons why they are is that people assume that those labelled ‘pedos’ have in fact sexually assaulted young children.
It is because many people in prison have families on the outside. It is an act of revenge in the minds of prisoners in the US because they have children as well. At least that is what of the many people I know who have done time tell me.
Another term would produce the same result once the jargon came into the mainstream. “He loved little young girls, he was a bubkis” does not cut it either.
In quite a few countries in the Western hemisphere a person who has sex with a young one is still lynched if caught or if word gets out in the village or community. Central and South America come to mind. In Afghanistan and some Arab societies little boys are buggered by their male superiors and that is OK.
Epstein would have done time in a kosher country club prison if convicted. He should have been locked up alone prior to trial. Leaving his cell door unlocked at all times opened him up for assassination by the regulars, no doubt. Lynched in prison, murdered by the organization or set free and I highly doubt that, it is all the same.
This whole discussion is bukis, enough already.

Posted by: dltravers | Aug 17 2019 19:38 utc | 205

If it were a hit or even suicide, they would not have had to disable the video.
This is not a job for FBI.
Does not matter if was CIA or Mossad – pretty much same thing at this point.
As Syrin girld alludes – at this point, the point is:
This is our government.
This is our system of justice.
Hopefully at least this will have repercussions for Victoria Secret.
Oh yeah and Syrian girl points out Billy Barrs dad had connention with Epstein – hired him as proffessor though he had no degree.

Posted by: Jared | Aug 17 2019 19:46 utc | 207

Of course there was reason not to kill Epstein – dead mean have no fear of telling everything.
It is not possible that he did not have insurance. And he would know how to make it secure.
I am guessing the live video would be most embarassin and recordings might be seen as national security issue.

Posted by: Jared | Aug 17 2019 19:53 utc | 209

@ Really?? | Aug 17 2019 19:49 utc | 209
Why is it that we have to expend so much effort here on this very discussion to just [squirrel!] keep it on [squirrel!] track when pe- [squirrel!] -ople should be [squirrel!] smarter on MoA than the- [squirrel!] -…
(Uggh…fuggit.)

Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 17 2019 20:00 utc | 211

Hey, its official move on. We have seen way bigger official carpet bagging than this and nothing has changed.

Posted by: steve | Aug 17 2019 20:02 utc | 213

212
“Why is it that we have to expend so much effort here on this very discussion to just [squirrel!] keep it on [squirrel!] track when pe- [squirrel!] -ople should be [squirrel!] smarter on MoA than the- [squirrel!] -…”
Thanks for this very much needed tone policing!!

Posted by: Really?? | Aug 17 2019 20:10 utc | 215

Anacharsis – ironically, Strawberry Field was a Liverpool home for orphaned girls upon whose grounds John Lennon played as a child.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 17 2019 20:36 utc | 217

Have started to wonder if Epstein could have come back fully knowing what was going to happen to him. Without Epstein we would probably know very little about any of this. His hypothesized dead man’s switch could have been triggered before even coming back to the US. This whole story, Epstein’s death, and where it eventually leads could be his purposeful doing. Epstein was in a perfect place to destroy this entire network.
When does the MSM go to great lengths to vilify people? Usually when they are not going along with the plan. The Epstein saga has opened up a crack in near perfect armor to possibly get at the true 9/11 story.

Posted by: Zack | Aug 17 2019 20:46 utc | 219

DH Travers @ 207:
I should think that in most prisons in Western countries, not only in the US or where you live, the reason that prisoners convicted of paedophilia rate low in the prisoner hierarchy is that many prisoners themselves have been victims of paedophilia, and repeated paedophilia at that. For some of these prisoners, this victmisation may be the foundation for their later criminal behaviours that led to their imprisonment.
There is one case I know of here in Australia where an actor convicted of sexual abuse of underage girls (who had been child actors in a 1980s TV sereies he appeared regularly in) has to be held in a maximum security prison in Goulburn for his own safety … from the prisoners. The prisoners are fully aware of what he did and despise him

Posted by: Jen | Aug 17 2019 21:13 utc | 221

I’m surprised nobody has posted the fact that Epstein’s lawyers dispute the autopsy and cause of death verdict:
“Jeffrey Epstein’s lawyers have announced that they are planning to carry out an independent investigation into the death of the multi-millionaire, accused of sex-trafficking, and demand video footage from the prison. According to his legal team, they are ‘not satisfied with the conclusions of the medical examiner’ that he killed himself in his cell in New York’s Metropolitan Correctional Centre.”
That would mean that the unidentified person who claimed the body is connected with the legal team. There’s a bit more in the article, screaming for the CTV video being the most important.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2019 21:29 utc | 223

“no operatives don’t get full support, witness valerie plame. depends on whether they are useful or not. epstein was a danger, and they didn’t want him talking. they didn’t want osama bin ladin talking either, which is why the seal team whacked him, then threw the body in the ocean with some bullshit about respect for traditions.”
Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 17 2019 18:49 utc | 202
Valerie was honest, that was why she was outed. As for Osama, where have you been, he had been dead for years when those Seals showed up and whacked some poor farmer.
From Corbett Report:
In July of 2001, Osama Bin Laden was flown to the American Hospital in Dubai for kidney treatment. According to French intelligence sources, he was there met by the local CIA attache. When the agent bragged about his encounter to friends later, he was promptly recalled to Washington.
On the eve of September 11, Osama Bin Laden was staying in a Pakistani military hospital under the watchful eye of Pakistan’s ISI, the Pakistani equivalent of the CIA with deep ties to the American intelligence community.
In October 2001, Bin Laden appeared in a videotape wearing army fatigues and Islamic headdress, looking visibly pale and gaunt. In December of 2001, another videotape was released, this time showing a seriously ill Bin Laden who was seemingly unable to move his left arm.
Then on December 26, 2001, Fox News reported on a Pakistan Observer story that the Afghan Taliban had officially pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead earlier that month.

Posted by: frances | Aug 17 2019 21:39 utc | 225

@ Really?? | Aug 17 2019 22:00 utc | 228
I’m sorry for the effect my comment had on your intention. My self-perceived intention was not to shut the discussion nor your statement down, but rather to try something different, since the methodology seemed (to me) to be ineffective for a distance of time so far. Perhaps I grew too frustrated with the sense of non-progression I perceived. I acknowledge it is not my call on how long a discussion (or attempt at discussion) lasts. I still desire to see the importance of the points we were trying to emphasize outlast the distractions of sensationalism which obscure the actual significance of this entire event. I believe we have the same goal.

Posted by: Anacharsis | Aug 17 2019 22:19 utc | 227

Jackrabbit @198
Most serendipitous that you replied directly to my comment. I thought I had noticed something along the lines of what you referenced, but I had not bothered to run it down. I searched the quote you offered – “Epstein, appearing before the judge in a navy smock and brown T-shirt, appeared to have no visible reaction to the decision ordering him remanded to pre-trial detention. He was led off by marshals without speaking to his attorneys.” It shows up in MSM in several places. No reference is made to who might have made this observation. And another reference shows up elsewhere which indicates just the opposite: “Jeffrey Epstein, found in a fetal position with marks on his neck inside a Manhattan prison cell Wednesday, appeared shaken last week when a federal judge shot down his bid for release on bail, a source told the New York Daily News on Thursday.” It too is repeated in several places. That these two reports would disagree entirely on this point is intriguing.
As far as compromised intelligence agents goes, I was told in no uncertain terms by the CIA recruiter who came to our campus job fair in 1980 that if I were an agent and were compromised, they would not acknowledge my existence. She said if I were not entirely comfortable with that, I should not apply. Epstein had nothing to offer but contacts, compromising material regarding one or more important people of interest, and a setup to obtain more of same. Once compromised, he had nothing to offer of any value to his former associates. It would take a lot more resources, effort, and assumption of risk to get him out alive than to kill him, and with no return for the investment. Killing him was obviously a bit of trouble to arrange.
Karlof1 @225 posted a link indicating Epstein’s team is investigating and demanding the closed circuit video footage, disputing the conclusions of the autopsy. This is a big well connected DC based firm who lost a lot of billable hours to Epstein’s demise. They won’t waste time with body double theories unless there’s something there, so if they don’t go that route at all, they are satisfied Epstein is dead. Epstein is dead, but the story is not.

Posted by: Bruce | Aug 17 2019 22:59 utc | 229

Baden seems more likely to work against the deep state than for it.

In the Simpson case, Baden offered testimony that conflicted, at times sharply, with the county coroner’s views on the 1994 killings of the football star-turned-actor’s wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman. Simpson was acquitted of murder after a televised trial that riveted the nation. A civil court jury later found him liable for wrongful death and ordered him to pay $33.5 million after a trial at which Baden also testified.
More recently, Baden performed an independent autopsy on Eric Garner, an unarmed black man killed in an encounter with New York police weeks before Brown’s death. The two killings spurred protests and helped catalyze the Black Lives Matter movement.
….
He has said he sees himself as “a witness to the dead.”

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 17 2019 23:22 utc | 231

Thank you very much Thoma Minnehan #182
Well worth a read if you have the time:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/08/edward-curtin/jeffrey-epstein-and-the-spectacle-of-secrecy/
That certainly was time well spent: brief and to the point. I must read more of Edward Curtin.
My primary thought after reading that was that no country should permit an embassy from any of the five eye collaborators or Israel. Perhaps a bare bones strictly focused trade office at the very most.
Take note all countries that have had enough of the evil scheming and ‘color revolution’ machinations of the evil empire.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 17 2019 23:32 utc | 233

All of these theories about faked suicides, swapped-out-corpses, and Epstein sipping Champaign on a Tel Aviv beachfront are just too ludicrous for words.
Look, if Mossad wanted to “retire” him then there was not the slightest need for such theatrics.
Simply have him go to Pedo Island, have him take his boat out for a solo-sail around the island, and then report that he is missing.
The yacht can then be found with a gun on the deck and blood down the side of the hull, and everyone can claim that – of course! – he propped himself up on the side the boat and then shot himself. The body then falls into the water, never to be seen again.
It is within the means of a billionaire to stage such a “death”, and if he is found in Tel Aviv in a year or so then the Israelis can plausibly claim that They Are Just As Shocked As Anyone Else that Epstein is still alive.
But this?
Voluntarily putting yourself into US custody, then faking your suicide in a US high security prison, procuring a dead body ringer for the autopsy, then spiriting yourself out of the USA to Israel?
Really?
That is orders of magnitude more difficult, and if he is then discovered in a year or so cavorting around Tel Aviv then it would be mighty difficult for the Israelis to claim that they are shocked, shocked I tell you! that he is still alive.
The smart money is on this: Epstein was running a honey-pot for Mossad, and once it looked like Epstein is not going to be able to avoid a trial then Mossad had to cut their losses and snuff the dude.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 18 2019 2:55 utc | 235

Yeah, Right @237–
Must agree with the general lines of your Occam’s razor hypothesis. The plot has thickened with his lawyers objections. And just where are all those CTV vids?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2019 3:36 utc | 237

what do you mean “produce the body”. we’ll want to see some photos at some point, but there is no evidence they are hiding the body. it’s not at the bottom of an ocean, it’s in the morgue.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 18 2019 4:02 utc | 239

donkeytale @: Baden didnt officiate either JFK’s or MLK’s autopsy.
“Magic-Bullet” Michael Baden to Lead Epstein Autopsy-What Could Go Wrong?

As chairman of the investigation into the JFK assassination, Baden bolstered the official story that Kennedy was killed by a single bullet, also known as the “magic bullet” theory.. This is the theory that states that one bullet passed through JFK changed directions 4 times, changed angles 5 times, shattered 4 inches of Gov Connelly’s fifth rib, exited the rib cage and shattered the Governor’s radius bone and embedded in his thigh. Then the bullet fell out of Connelly’s leg on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital and it appeared as a pristine, never fired bullet.
[Baden also ignored disturbing facts like:] The man charged with the collecting, organizing and preserving of the photographic evidence, Lt. William Pitzer, was assassinated… The two appointed physicians that conducted the autopsy had never done a gun shot autopsy before … when the autopsy was complete, the original notes were burned… [And] JFK’s brain went missing …

But there have been other controversies:

In 1979, after just 11-months as the chief medical examiner of New York Mayor Ed Koch fired Baden. He claimed that the hot-shot examiner had lost evidence and worked poorly with prosecutors.
A few years later, Baden was fired again, when he worked as the deputy medical examiner in Suffolk County on Long Island, according to the Los Angeles Times. An article in Oui Magazine quoted him giving advice for getting away with “high tech murder.”
In 2007, Baden was again in the news for questionable conduct, this time … in the Phil Spector murder trial. He had a fresh theory of how Spector’s alleged victim had died, one that provided room for the defense to explain some blood on Spector’s jacket. During cross examination, the prosecutor asked Baden if he had any conflict of interest in this case.
“None that I can think of,” he said, according to the Los Angeles Times. Moments later it was revealed his wife was one of Spector’s main attorneys.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 18 2019 4:38 utc | 241

Why are you guys all concentrating on the sex and forgetting the main point? Nothing to do with sex. This is about blackmail of high-level government officials by the Israel spy agency, period.
Let’s not let them mislead everyone. Repeat: sex scandals is for morons. This is a spy and blackmail story.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Aug 18 2019 6:32 utc | 243

To believe Epstein was murdered or committed suicide, leaves a mighty big question unanswered. Why did he come back to the US? He had the means and the money to disappear, knew he would be arrested in the US, and was looking at life in prison. If any of you were facing the same circumstances, would you come back? I wouldn’t, and I doubt anyone else would either.

Posted by: RF | Aug 18 2019 7:00 utc | 245

Posted by: chu teh | Aug 18 2019 7:09 utc | 248
That is another misdirection.
James Baker: Comey And I Worried About Creating Any J. Edgar Hoover Impression With Steele Dossier
Who was this FBI director Edgar J. Hoover?

J Edgar Hoover led the FBI for 50 years and was given a state funeral by a grateful nation. But the man pledged to protect America from the evils of organised crime and political subversion was a secret homosexual, probably blackmailed by the Mob. In turn, he kept damaging files on those in Washington who might one day threaten his power
….
October 1971, the Oval Office of the White House
The President of the United States, his Attorney-General and key advisers are wrestling with an intractable problem. The problem is an old man, a man of whom the Chief of State is afraid.
Richard Nixon: For a lot of reasons he oughta resign . . . He should get the hell out of there . . . Now it may be, which I kind of doubt . . . maybe I could just call him and talk him into resigning . . . There are some problems. If he does go he’s got to go of his own volition . . . that’s why we’re in a hell of a problem . . . I think he’ll stay until he’s a hundred years old.
John Mitchell: He’ll stay until he’s buried there. Immortality . . .
Richard Nixon: I think we’ve got to avoid the situation where he can leave with a blast . . . We may have on our hands here a man who will pull down the temple with him, including me . . . It’s going to be a problem.

According to German Wikipedia Kosher Nostra Member Lewis Solon Rosenstiel was an intimate friend of the FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. Hoover bet with Meyer Lansky’s bookies, Rosenstiel paid for the bets, when Hoover won, their lawyer Roy Cohn gave him the profit.
Who was this guy John Mitchell mentioned above?

Before Bernie Madoff, there was Hoffenberg, who in 1985 pleaded guilty to cheating investors out of $460 million — at the time, the largest Ponzi scheme ever. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison and, after his release in 2013, began sounding the alarm on Epstein, who had worked at Hoffenberg’s Towers Financial Corporation after leaving Bear Stearns. He claimed that Epstein had been his co-conspirator in the scheme and that Epstein’s fortune was built on Towers Financial’s fraud. “He was great at moving money illegally,” Hoffenberg says. “He was the deeper architect to getting things accomplished.”
Hoffenberg claims he was introduced to Epstein by Douglas Leese, a mysterious British arms dealer, and that he paid Epstein $25,000 a month as Towers Financial began making risky plays to take over companies like Pan American World Airways and Emery Air Freight. Advisers on the Pan Am deal included Richard Nixon’s attorney general John Mitchell, Nixon’s brother Edward, and John Lehman, a former secretary of the Navy. The move fell apart after the Lockerbie bombing, and when Towers Financial later went belly-up, Hoffenberg says, the two of them engineered a Ponzi scheme to fill the hole.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 18 2019 8:37 utc | 247

Spot on! I was looking at this article yesterday about Hoffenberg. Vicky Ward quoted him several times in her recent pieces and I was wondering how would someone accept to stay 20 years in jail unless he knows that the powers he is facing are far too strong, especially if he wants to remain alive.
Of course, one wonders why none of the MSM has been looking into the Hoffenberg direction for their papers on Epstein bio.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 8:52 utc | 249

Posted by: Mina | Aug 18 2019 8:52 utc | 251
The interesting thing is that Bill Clinton dismissed the FBI director to replace him with his guy same as Trump did.
The FBI director under whom the 2008 sweet deal was done was Robert Mueller and the president was Bush.
Trump’s estate business used to be in New York and New York’s politicians have been mostly Democrat for a long time.
If Trump was involved in New York corruption he was on the paying side. Epstein kompromat being in possession of the FBI will silence New York Democrats for quite a while (and this is the Wall-Street, Clinton/Obama/Biden faction I guess)

Posted by: somebody | Aug 18 2019 11:21 utc | 251

“relitigate the meaning of pedophilia, rather than discuss the murder, seem to have gone to bed.”
Uh, no. They made their point—specifically, Bevin clarified the point—regarding the relationship between brandishing the p-word, and the p-word only, and the other issues in the Epstein case, such as murder. Enjoy your morning Joe!

Posted by: Really?? | Aug 18 2019 12:39 utc | 253

JR @ 243
Baden did not officiate the JFK autopsy nor did he officiate the Epstein autopsy. He was brought in to observe at the request of Epstein’s lawyers. Period. It would be the biggest story in the world for Baden to come out of the morgue stating “That wasn’t Epstein’s body.” He would be more feted than even he was during the OJ trial and he would be protecting himself for having this knowledge by so doing because he will be a target of the same forces who murdered Epstein to shut him up, whether he speaks up or not. Your theory has more holes than a slice of Swiss Cheese. Not that that’s unusual for your theories.
And Baden is controversial? Yo, get outta town. He testifies in legal hearings for either the defense or the prosecution. You can’t play in this profession unless you have a proven record of working for both sides. This is a requirement to be an “expert witness.” And let’s not even get into the fact forensic science is largely baloneyistic pseudo science in the first place.
You should post this stuff at the National Enquirer not MoA. Your schtick is supermarket tabloid filler for reactionary moms.
And a wider audience too.

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 18 2019 14:47 utc | 255

donkeytale @257
That’s true, he didn’t officiate. But his involvement is not a positive sign.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 18 2019 14:58 utc | 257

frances 168, imho the 4chan post is fiction. The author confessed (? not sure..) – for the rest, yes, it is very suspicious that two and only two narratives are accepted – suicide / murder.
The damage done to the neck, broken bones, etc. of X are the core alleged facts, only the agency of direct cause is in doubt. I have even seen an intermediary suggested: X was allowed / was helped along / to kill himself (guards made absent, presumably some rope offered, who knows, idk.) Which makes no sense at all in a case of ‘hanging’ because an overdose is cheap and easy.
Baden – ‘senior’ pathologist of dodgy repute (i have read) – was chosen by Epstein’s lawyers to invigilate the autopsy, so to speak. If one wanted medical expert reassurance and checking of a NY state autopsy, to be sure to gather every fact, pic, secure the ‘tape’ of descriptive speech during, the samples taken and the subsequent forensics (drugged? heart disease? brain insults?) one would hire some highly qualified keen young chap/esse. So, that is very suspicious.
Then, where is the body, who claimed it (“an associate”), where is the death certificate, who identified the body (believe this to be a ritual in NY), one article I read said the brother Mark, etc.
Much of the ambiguities and no-info or dopey silence can be attributed to the comprehensible self-protective reactions in the US, where many refuse to say anything, invoking officialdom, hierarchy, confidentiality laws, professional agreements … ppl cover up with excuses to keep their jobs, status. The knee-jerk response in case of ignorance is say nothing do nothing agree with the top dogs nothing else stop.
But now Epstein’s lawyers are challenging the autopsy (karloff 225)…the same lawyers, others? Vicious fighting behind the scenes, as i wrote before, perhaps now only for dollaris (claims on his estate.)

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 18 2019 15:11 utc | 259

Victims have said that Epstein had a distinctively shaped penis. And the victim’s may have dna evidence from semen.
Having each given him multiple naked massages, they know his body better than his brother (whose “identification” is tainted by his personal interest). They will know moles, discolorations, etc on his back, butt, legs, etc.
PRODUCE THE BODY!
Let the victims identify him and take dna samples for testing.
It’s in the public interest.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 18 2019 15:15 utc | 261

imo | 538 (on the other thread)
That’s some phenomenal “Spürsinn” that you have! Well spotted, thanks for sharing this!
G. Maxwell: “A comforting read after a personal tragedy. A good friend of mine died recently under very tragic circumstances.”
Assuming that this is genuinely her take on the book, it means that Maxwell thinks it was suicide. Tragedy, tragic circumstances – that’s code for suicide.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 18 2019 15:20 utc | 263

@pretzelattack #201
I’ve never said that there is no way the US or Israel could have assassinated Epstein.
However, that is very different than assuming any of the following:
1) That he was assassinated
2) That it was a nation-state
While truth is often stranger than fiction, it is still useful to actually objectively look at the situation. Making assumptions up front isn’t objectivity.
I would also point out Goodenough’s Paradox of Conspiracies: the larger or more powerful an alleged conspiracy, the less need they have for conspiring.
If we’re talking about ex-Presidents, UK royalty, billionaires, Mossad, the CIA and more – why bother with such clumsy conspiracy maneuvering?

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 18 2019 15:33 utc | 265

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 17 2019 23:10 utc | 232
So your rebuttal of the premise that Epstein was been spirited out of the jail as suggested by a number of irregularities is that his lawyer is still alive?? Pretty weak argument IMO.
And as to the fellow who was the observing coroner the fact that the lawyer wanted him there is irrelevant, he was there to confirm cause of death, not to IDENTIFY THE BODY of a guy he had never seen in his life.

Posted by: frances | Aug 18 2019 15:55 utc | 267

frances @270: So he did “participate” in the JFK autopsy
Just to be clear, he was chairman of the Congressional investigation into the 1960’s assassinations. That investigation was done in the 1970’s.
As I noted in my comment @243, Baden accepted the “magic bullet” theory and overlooked the many strange happenings including an botched autopsy by unqualified professionals, a suspicious suicide, and disappearing evidence – especially JFK’s brain.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 18 2019 16:25 utc | 269

JR – the body will not be produced for a public showing unless the family intends an open casket funeral. The body has already been identified by an “unnamed associate.” Allowing the victims to view the body will prove what? Do you mean anyone who states she was abused by Epstein? Maybe a committee of 4-5 chosen at random from his proven victims based on his earlier conviction? Or do we allow anyone who has made a public comment? Guaranteed, some will claim the body is Epstein some will claim not. Lol
Anyway you are simply being disingenuous as you know pictures of the corpse won’t be shown to the public. Epstein has a right to privacy even in death. The pictures of the slain in the OJ trial were not produced for public consumption either. They were shown to the jury, as I assume Epstein’s will be shown to the jury too should there ever be an Epstein murder trial.
Maybe someone will leak photo evidence at some point but what will that prove? Photo evidence can easily be doctored. We’ve already been down that path with the photos of Epstein entering the hospital not to mention the Skripal case, most all video evidence related to Bellingcat, etc. Virtually all visual evidence that runs against our beliefs will be considered fake you know that.
Like all grand conspiracy theories, nothing can ever be disproven to the satisfaction of the theorists. You already know this as trafficking in conspiracy theories is a major part of your online schtick..

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 18 2019 16:32 utc | 271

Correction @274: Your attempt to squash calls for an identification …

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 18 2019 16:56 utc | 273

Oh and one more thing …
The victim’s have already seen Epstein’s body many times. There’s no privacy violation by showing the body to them.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 18 2019 17:03 utc | 275

Yeah, Right @ 252
“Why is it so hard to comprehend that Epstein wasn’t omniscient?”
This is an interesting response, that you think I was alluding to in my post, and not a requirement to take the logical course of action for Epstein, to not set foot on US soil once the documents were unsealed. You’re theory is plausible, but requires Epstein to be an incredible gambler, or incredibly stupid. He might be a gambler, but I don’t think he was stupid. My theory (and others), of his return is predicated on the belief his handlers would be able to extract him from any situation. My belief also uses the reported visit by Barr before the first “attempted suicide” and Epstein’s defiant smirk in photos. These points, as well as the history of the “deep state” to protect their assets, the real possibility of a Deadman switch with huge amounts of damaging info on many powerful people, and the fact that all that the MSM and some alt-media want to discuss is the suicide vs murder angle brings me to my theory that he was switched out and is alive, also plausible.

Posted by: RF | Aug 18 2019 17:06 utc | 277

donkeytale: US law precludes basically everything you want to happen here.
Really? Are you an attorney with relevant expertise?
US law gives victims certain rights and allows for courts to compel action where there’s a compelling public interest.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 18 2019 17:15 utc | 279

donkey logic
Distrust of Epstein, The MEGA Group, Mossad, CIA, etc. = “conspiracy theorist”.
A reasonable and simple-to-execute identification of the body by victims = foolishness.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 18 2019 17:33 utc | 281

JR – Well, then, let the victims sue for the right to the photographic evidence of Epsetin’s autopsy report. Whether they require this evidence to pursue a civil action or because of a “compelling public interest” would need to be proved.
Here is the relevant New York City law:
In NYC:
Death Certificates
The Health Department issues death certificates for all people who die in one of the five boroughs of New York City. The Health Department also fulfills requests to correct death certificates. Requests to order death certificates can take 3-4 weeks to be processed.
Note that there are two parts to the death certificate:
The standard certificate of death
The part that includes a confidential medical report of the cause of death
can be ordered — for the same cost — but who can order it and how it can be ordered varies. Most people need just the certificate of death.
Who is Entitled to Each Type of Death Certificate?
The following relations to the deceased may request both a death certificate and the confidential cause of death medical report:
Spouse
Domestic partner
Parent
Child
Sibling
Grandparent
Grandchild
Informant listed on the certificate
Person in control of disposition

Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 18 2019 17:58 utc | 283

It seems the book sold out….article by author Ted Gup in Washington Post…
“For me, the important thing was that she was reading my book, which was published nearly 20 years ago. That was worth a call both to my mother and my agent. Then text messages from friends across the country began pouring in sharing the big news, along with assorted comments — some respectful, some snarky. “You can’t choose your readers,” a pal texted from California. “Nice plug for your book!!!” said one from Montana. “You’re in the news!!” came the news from Massachusetts.”
https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ghislaine-maxwell-was-reading-my-book-at-in-n-out-burger-then-it-sold-out-on-amazon/2019/08/16/954511da-c05b-11e9-a5c6-1e74f7ec4a93_story.html?outputType=amp

Posted by: dh | Aug 18 2019 18:49 utc | 285

Apologies, I mistakenly replied to what I believed were recent comments, not aware that there were more comments on separate pages.
(and this on one of the rare occasions when I was able to post… 🙁

Posted by: rockstar | Aug 18 2019 19:24 utc | 287

@290 A nice summary of the Epstein affair to date but not very useful. Was the In-and-Out photo staged or photoshopped in some way? What exactly is the message? Was the amazon review clever satire? If not why would Maxwell tell everybody Epstein was an agent who died in the line of duty?
Will the various investigations clear things up to everybody’s satisfaction?

Posted by: dh | Aug 18 2019 19:48 utc | 289

dh @291
See my post @284 for the answers you seek (possibly).

Posted by: ADKC | Aug 18 2019 20:31 utc | 291

dh @294
The best answers you are going to get (probably):
1. The photo was photoshopped.
2. The message is what you understand it to be.
3. The review is meant to be from Ghislaine Maxwell; you are meant to understand this as an authentic message from Maxwell.
4. You are meant to understand that Epstein was working for an intelligence agency.
Bonus: It is all misdirection.

Posted by: ADKC | Aug 18 2019 21:10 utc | 293

@291
Just thought it was a strange coincidence. It would be a clever way to send a msg. Could also mean absolutely nothing. Couple more examples.
DailyMail:The tantalising mystery of Ghislaine Maxwell’s burger bar ‘makeover’…
Epstein case: Ghislaine Maxwell ‘spotted’ in Los Angeles burger bar.

Posted by: Zack | Aug 18 2019 21:30 utc | 295

@298 The photo was photoshopped? She was never in the burger place with her dog? OK, I appreciate your efforts but couldn’t it just be Maxwell having a laugh at everybody’s expense. She doesn’t seem to have any qualms about finding young girls (for want of a better expression) to amuse Epstein and his famous friends why would she worry about a bit of misdirection? Doesn’t seem to be working that way though as I’m sure most people think Epstein was working for someone and he was murdered to keep him quiet. What we need is to hear the full story from somebody credible (if such a person exists) until then it’s just speculation.
I still think the amazon book review was a clever bit of satire.

Posted by: dh | Aug 18 2019 22:16 utc | 297

286
Whitney Webb, in her recent brilliant interview with Consortium News—what a smart lady!—reminds viewers near the end of the longish interview of what Ghislaine Maxwell is actually accused of doing. She is accused not only of being “madam” but also being herself a rapist and enforcer, plus has taken steps to detain and basically kidnap girls by taking their passports, and other miscreant actions. She is an awful person. If the FBI or anyone were serious about this case she would be called in for questioning, not gallivanting around confusing the public and press with “Where is Carmen Sandiego” picture popups all over the country, now near Boston, now in LA. As Webb points out with the 24/7 surveillance we are all under the intelligence community knows perfectly well where Maxwell is. The public is being gamed.

Posted by: Really?? | Aug 18 2019 23:58 utc | 299