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July 10, 2019

Room To Discuss The Epstein Case

It seems necessary to give some room to the discussion of the Epstein case. Vicky Ward, who wrote a 2002 portrait of Epstein for Vanity Fair, has a short recap of the case at the Daily Beast: Jeffrey Epstein’s Sick Story Played Out for Years in Plain Sight.

This bit from it is quite interesting:

Epstein’s name, I was told, had been raised by the Trump transition team when Alexander Acosta, the former U.S. attorney in Miami who’d infamously cut Epstein a non-prosecution plea deal back in 2007, was being interviewed for the job of labor secretary. The plea deal put a hard stop to a separate federal investigation of alleged sex crimes with minors and trafficking.

“Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” Acosta had been asked. Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta. (The Labor Department had no comment when asked about this.)

'Belongs to intelligence' makes a lot of sense. The question is to which one. A lot of people will says "Mossad" but I don't believe that to be the (full) truth. 

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Posted by: john | Jul 13 2019 17:14 utc | 302

Doing something about child poverty in the US?

Which affects 15 million children? Where is the outrage?

Posted by: somebody | Jul 13 2019 17:34 utc | 301

add to 303

From the link

Research is clear that poverty is the single greatest threat to children’s well-being.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 13 2019 17:37 utc | 302

A new Epstein thread is here: A Plausible Theory Of What Jeffrey Epstein Was Actually Doing

Posted by: b | Jul 13 2019 17:49 utc | 303


A transparent attempt to redirect "the outrage".

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 13 2019 18:34 utc | 304

I see b has a new thread, but the topic on this one has turned to the socio-economic basis that allows for such exploitation in the first place. A great deal of that's explained by Michael Hudson in this transcript from the most recent Guns & Butter program, which some of us have heard/read before. Several score comments ago, Grieved opined something that brought Dickens immediately to my mind, specifically Oliver Twist, and the sordid nature the UK treated its unwanted children. I later commented about the conditions related by Sir Thomas More in Utopia wherein his time you could be put to death for pilfering a single grain of green wheat. Sir Francis Bacon postulated the rich must wage a constant war against the poor who he likened to the Hydra lest they arise and subdue his class. Clearly, the behavior of the wealthy within the West has shown a complete disregard for those not born into their class; but the East has shown similar behavior too, particularly India's Caste System. And the attitude's been present for several millennia, well before Capitalism, so that system cannot shoulder all the blame.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2019 18:49 utc | 305

@299 psychohistorian

I agree with you completely that changing private finance into public finance would cure a host of ills - so many that if one could have just one wish granted for the public good, this one change would be the most powerful lever of all fixes.

But how can this be achieved? It seems to me to be as wishful to hope that this finance system can change as to hope that the rich people at the top of that system can be swept away. One has to ask, "How?"

I may be wrong, because I'm no scholar, but my impression is that (1) the only nations currently with the public finance that you call for are socialist nations, and (2) all of these nations underwent a revolution by force of arms in order to put the socialist system in place.

So my prescription to sweep away the rottenness at the top is actually very little different from your prescription to eliminate state-franchised private finance. They're both part of the same thing. It's the rottenness at the top that owns - or perhaps is owned by - the private finance. And way, way at the top and deep in the background lies the ultimate ownership, of course.

None of this will go quietly or willingly. History suggests there is only one way to enact either your prescription or mine.


I will allow that a change of consciousness could do it, but where does this come from? Perhaps from the example of those nations with revolutionary socialism, such as Iran, China and Cuba? Perhaps. Perhaps, in this sense, not the revolution but purely the example of its successful product can be exported.

This is actually my only hope.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 13 2019 20:10 utc | 306

The United States is the only country in the world not to have ratifed (and implemented) the United Nations' International Covenant on the Rights of the Child.

The long-standing explanation was that its definition of a child as anybody under eighteen years of age would prevent the United States from carrying out the death penalty given to persons who were under eighteen when they committed the crime for which they received the death penalty. Another explanation was that such a definition would prevent taking into the armed forces persons under eighteen.

The Supreme Court has ruled that persons who were under eighteen when they committed a crime punishable by death cannot be put to death. As for the armed forces, as far as I know, that still stands as long as one of the minor's parents sign off on it.

The real reason is that without a uniform definition of a child there can be no reliable statistics on the number of children who disappear. The FBI does not even try to gather such statistics but does accept those that are submitted to it.

Jurisdictions are thus free to define a child as they please: e.g. anybody under fifteen, or under fourteen, or under thirteen etc. Also, most jurisdictions do not record teenage disappearances, preferring to list them as "runaways".

The civil society organizations working in this area reckon that in any year, between 800,000 and 900,000 children disappear in the United States.

As for moving them around, there are all sorts of ways. Private planes are the preferred means for bringing kidnapped children into the country, for they can evade customs and passport controls with surprising ease. Epstein was known to be flying around in Yugoslavia during the 1999 bombing, when huge numbers of children disapparead.

As a journalist based at the United Nations, I heard frequent and credible stories about kidnapped children brought illegally into the United States and sold at auction. A sex slave can bring in between $150,000 and $250,000 before "wearing out", at which point, in the right places (New York, for example) there are "trash collection" services availble that will remove and eliminate the worn out merchandise.

Posted by: RJPJR | Jul 13 2019 20:24 utc | 307

Speculating here...What happens to Israel if it's proven that Epstein was running a honey pot operation involving pedophiles for the benefit of Mossad blackmail of the most powerful people - including Presidents - in the US and elsewhere?

I submit that Israel's already low status in the world will become even lower.

How far will Israel go to avoid that outcome? Assassination of relevant parties? Starting the Iran war as a "bomb it off the front pages" tactic?

Stay tuned...

Posted by: Richard teven Hack | Jul 13 2019 21:26 utc | 308

psychohistorian @299 & Grieved @308--

Perhaps you listened to Hudson on the recent Guns & Butter whose transcript I linked to above. He directly tells the audience how things are controlled within Outlaw US Empire, what Trump's doing to both aide and deter that control, what China and others are doing to evade Imperial control. But what he doesn't discuss, nor is he asked, what/how someone like Sanders can do to alter course and systemic dynamics. Hudson also delves into the Class War, saying its worse in EU than within USA. And his statement about public finance is the strongest one I've ever read him make.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2019 21:40 utc | 309

@ Richard (S)teven Hack who wrote
What happens to Israel if it's proven that Epstein was running a honey pot operation involving pedophiles for the benefit of Mossad blackmail of the most powerful people - including Presidents - in the US and elsewhere?
If you replace Israel with the unknown those that own global private finance I would agree 100% and it is why
this is happening now.......Go listen to the jaunty blues song by James Taylor titled "Steamroller Blues" and think of China singing that song to the West.......I do

To Grieved and karlof1
I am a butterfly flapping its wings madly in tune to the song mentioned above.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 13 2019 21:57 utc | 310

tanya #270 and Grieved #272

Thank you tanya for your contribution. Commentary such as yours is always welcome. I see Elizabeth Voss has a piece in Consortium News that reviews the evil of child abusers when they capture the state.

and thank you sarz.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 13 2019 23:21 utc | 311

james | Jul 13 2019 2:35 utc | 279

Your evidence with links please.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 13 2019 23:24 utc | 312

@312 psychohistorian

yes, the flapping of wings, this is all there is.

Sorry for being frustrated that we have no divisions or tanks to roll into the quadrant and force a peace, and create a new order.

I am as sad as you that we cannot change this world today to become the thing that would be so much better for it and all of its guest inhabitants.

It reminds me why I call myself grieved.

And yet you keep flapping these wings.

Even in the midst of my frustration I must tell you how greatly you encourage us all from that flapping. It is the most nonsensical, the most mad, the most human, and the most noble thing to do.

I can feel a breeze. As if from wings.

Many thanks.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 14 2019 2:35 utc | 313

@ Grieved with the kind words....thanks

I see humanities future as either evolution or extinction and in spite of not making children I do believe in the continuation of the species as best we can in this grand experiment.

China is our best chance to evolve past the cult of global private finance that has controlled the social contract for a big chunk of our species over centuries.

In support of their efforts and others in that vein, I continue to flap my wings.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 14 2019 5:38 utc | 314

karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 18:51 utc | 6

More revelations of Obama DOJ corruption and involvement in the Brazil regime change operation which continued on under Trump:
"US Department of Justice involvement in Brazil’s discredited anti-corruption Operation Carwash (Lava Jato), which rigged the 2018 election, and helped bring down President Rousseff is not secret. So why the anglo media silence?"
Makes Barr an even more interesting choice for Attorney General given his family ties to CIA and other corruption. What does the Current Oligarchy want him to accomplish given the many fires?

I think the Ron Unz article "The Power of Organised Crime" rather trumps the revelation of corruption in any part of any president's reign. What I take away from that article, is not that this or that official or administration is or was corrupt. but that the USG is really Organised Crime writ large. It's not just that the lunatics have taken over the Asylum (they have) but that the Mob have taken over, decades ago, the USG(and all its agencies)as well! The biggest criminal organisation on the planet is the USG and the lesser ones are all parts of the same racket.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jul 20 2019 12:36 utc | 315

lgfocus | Jul 10 2019 19:20 utc | 11

The other story of using these girls to gain kompromat on people of power or knowledge by someones intel agency will be shielded from the MSM. BLOCKQUOTE>

Typo : "from the MSM" should be "by the MSM"

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jul 20 2019 12:46 utc | 316

Interesting, thanks
New Mexico, where Epstein has a huge property and has bought off the governor long ago, has a very relax law with regard to sex with children/teens.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 20 2019 13:02 utc | 317

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