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July 10, 2019

Room To Discuss The Epstein Case

It seems necessary to give some room to the discussion of the Epstein case. Vicky Ward, who wrote a 2002 portrait of Epstein for Vanity Fair, has a short recap of the case at the Daily Beast: Jeffrey Epstein’s Sick Story Played Out for Years in Plain Sight.

This bit from it is quite interesting:

Epstein’s name, I was told, had been raised by the Trump transition team when Alexander Acosta, the former U.S. attorney in Miami who’d infamously cut Epstein a non-prosecution plea deal back in 2007, was being interviewed for the job of labor secretary. The plea deal put a hard stop to a separate federal investigation of alleged sex crimes with minors and trafficking.

“Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” Acosta had been asked. Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta. (The Labor Department had no comment when asked about this.)

'Belongs to intelligence' makes a lot of sense. The question is to which one. A lot of people will says "Mossad" but I don't believe that to be the (full) truth. 

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Possible Mossad connection via Ghislaine Maxwell. https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence/

Posted by: asdf | Jul 10 2019 18:13 utc | 1

It is common practice of the CIA to use billionaire's names and NGOs to fund their covert operations: that's the case since its very foundation, and has been going on since (one of the most iconic was the Fleischer sponsorship of American modernist painters in the 1950s through Western Europe after Congress cut its own funding under allegations it was communist painting).

Maybe Epstein is just this: one billionaire who lent his name to the CIA.

Or, maybe, its all bullshit by Acosta, and b's hypothesis of the last post is true ("belong to intel" being just an all-seasons excuse to protect rich guys in the USA).

Posted by: vk | Jul 10 2019 18:20 utc | 2

It's not just Epstein as lots of junk's being shaken out of what's being revealed as a deeply corrupt Obama DOJ, and likely BushCo before him. Techno Fog on the latest Flynn case debacle, which impacts Mueller and the Russiagate hoax:

"The Court in the Flynn Intel Group (FARA) case rules that the DOJ has not presented evidence sufficient to establish 'evidence of a conspiracy' for the purposes of admitting the hearsay statements of alleged co-conspirators (Flynn)."

The more reveled in courtrooms, the thicker the entire web becomes, and it points directly to the massive corruption present within Obama's terms beginning with his obstructing justice over the Wall Street Banksters many crimes that tanked the financial system. If Trump loathes Obama as much as he says, he ought to go after him over that failure to adjudicate as it was Obama's job.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 18:29 utc | 3


"Epstein has an armored Mercedes, a friend with a command center, business relations with multiple CIA backed airlines, connections to the mob, many friends in the media and was associated with the false PR that lead to the Iraq war."

https://www.mockingbirdpaper.com/content/columbus-where-torture-taxi-and-lolita-express-meet

Posted by: anon | Jul 10 2019 18:34 utc | 4

According to Fox News (so consider the source) Bill Clinton flew on the "Lolita Express" 26 times according to flight logs filed with the FAA, even ditching his SS guards on several occasions.

Posted by: Trisha Driscoll | Jul 10 2019 18:35 utc | 5

More revelations of Obama DOJ corruption and involvement in the Brazil regime change operation which continued on under Trump:

"US Department of Justice involvement in Brazil’s discredited anti-corruption Operation Carwash (Lava Jato), which rigged the 2018 election, and helped bring down President Rousseff is not secret. So why the anglo media silence?"

Makes Barr an even more interesting choice for Attorney General given his family ties to CIA and other corruption. What does the Current Oligarchy want him to accomplish given the many fires?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 18:51 utc | 6

No one who wants to go digging into the Obama Justice Department is interested in the truth. The obvious starting point in a real investigation is Acosta. But nobody wants to dig there. At most they would be satisfied with Acosta falling on his sword so they could claim that's done.

It is highly unlikely there is really a new case here. Thus the re-opening of the investigation is almost certainly political, aimed at the Democratic Party in the run up to the 2020 election. Like the Weinstein case, the threat of getting embroiled in an investigation is meant to deter contributing to the wrong party. Most of the high profile accused who actually suffered serious consequences have been Jewish, gay, liberal. The fall of Roger Ailes may have inspired the idea of payback? Bill O'Reilly's settlements were expensive. And Sumner Redstone benefitted from Les Moonves' exit.

On a purely abstract level, this is about presumption of guilt, increasing prosecutions, demanding maximum charges and sentences, prohibiting rehabilitation and guilt by association. No doubt many deem these to be worthy goals in themselves. Epstein is an inflammatory figure distracting attention from this.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 10 2019 18:58 utc | 7


Jeffrey Epstein to pregnant journalist [Vicky Ward] working on 2003 Vanity Fair article about him: "You know, Vicky, if I don't like this piece you know, something is going to happen to your unborn children."

Posted by: anon | Jul 10 2019 19:05 utc | 8

Partisangirl, whose tweet accusing Epstein of being Mossad I posted earlier, poses an excellent question about the current NY Times article about him:

"Why is this coming from the New York Times?"

A lengthy thread provides numerous possibilities, some of which have merit.

Partisangirl also provides the following reply to 3 revealing questioners:

"Epstein’s partner ghislaine maxwell’s father was a Mossad agent.
-she was front row at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding and used trumps maralago to recruit under age girls.
-Epstein was friends with former Israeli president ehud barack.
-Epstein is a creation is Les Wexner, part 1/x"

More revealed in resulting thread.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 19:17 utc | 9

We will never see the bottom of this rabbit hole for the same reason 9-11 will remain a source of speculation without a definitive reveal. The entire edifice is rotten and if too much paint is peeled away the whole thing will collapse.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 10 2019 19:19 utc | 10

This is about sex-trafficking and KOMPROMAT. The DS will try to ring-fence it forcing us to concentrate on the important people that may have been engaged in illicit sex. The other story of using these girls to gain kompromat on people of power or knowledge by someones intel agency will be shielded from the MSM. They will only tantalize the sheep wondering "who' will be sacrificed. All to protect the project.

Posted by: lgfocus | Jul 10 2019 19:20 utc | 11

The Epstein case is going to take photographs and videos to get any traction in middle America.

Posted by: dh | Jul 10 2019 19:21 utc | 12

Old news his partner in crime is Ghilsane Maxwell daughter of Robert Maxwell. Les Wexner another zionist billionaire financed the operation.

Wexner may be shutting down the operation perhaps because he doesn't like Trump anymore and wants him to go down with Epstein now.

Posted by: O | Jul 10 2019 19:24 utc | 13

It appears the unseen hands pushing Trump closer to a war with Iran are prepared to raise the stakes substantially. Despite the fact that this is Epstein, round 2, if fully utilised, this second iteration would appear to be the final time he can be used, sacrificing him in the process (something no intelligence service would think twice about, apart from considerations of possible further utility). Although, as noted by others, in the current US news cycle, it could either burst onto center stage, or fade away as many other possible scandal do. But the underlying message about decisions to be made is unmistakable.

Posted by: tspoon | Jul 10 2019 19:30 utc | 14

Things start to get pretty darn crazy when Trump turns out to be the one you have to nod your head to... WTF...

"...Back in 2015, onstage at the annual CPAC conference, Trump said something very interesting about Bill Clinton. "Nice guy," he said. "Got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein. Lot of problems." Hoping people 'above' the "above my pay-grade" have said enough is enough of this evil Satanic energy extraction ritual sh*t...

Posted by: Jayne | Jul 10 2019 19:32 utc | 15

Posted by: tspoon | Jul 10 2019 19:30 utc | 14

The most sensible comment thus far, Epstein round 2 could be meant to scare Trump into more definitive action of some kind, what that is, is anybody's guess.

Posted by: O | Jul 10 2019 19:34 utc | 16

Kompromat for sure. Epstein apparently made videos and stored them for safe keeping. Funny, Bill Clinton says he didn't know anything about Epstein's dirty deeds. Anybody believe that?

Obama Admin was dirty, shielding banksters, ratings agencies, from prosecution. However, the Manufacture of the Greatest Pump and Dump Real Estate Ponzi Scheme was developed and executed by the Cheney Bush Admin.

Though the operation was executed fully by the end of Cheney Bush, One can connect the Clinton Admin with earlier building blocks for the scam, such as
the elimination of the anti-trust laws which prevented Banks, Mortgage Co's, Investment Brokers and Insurance Co's from merging.

CDO's and CDS and AAA rated junk paper was purchased by Mutual Funds and ended up in our retirement accounts. They'd already destroyed the lion's share of employee pensions, replacing them with 401 K's.

Point being that one admin bleeds into next, no matter the party. The new admin picks up the baton of the prior admin and carries it further.

The destruction of Socialist Yugoslavia began with sanctions by Raygun Admin.
It culminated in Clinton's NATO bombing campaign.

That's 20 years and 3 presidential admins.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Jul 10 2019 19:40 utc | 17

@karlof1 - I'm always interested in reading about corruption at the top with respect to the non-investigation of the Wall Street fiasco of 2007/2008 and all that preceded it. Surprises me not that both Bush and Obama were complicit in a coverup.

Do you have any off-the-beaten-path links/sources that discuss that stuff from as inside an angle as possible? I've read all of the 30,000 foot stuff from Taibbi and Starkman, but is there any reputable resource out there for the inevitable debates I have with Wall Street/Bush/Obama apologists?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 19:40 utc | 18

Agree with dh, karlof1, etc. - and anyone who's been paying attention long enough already knows that nobody "big" in the gov't or media or deep state are going to face any genuine investigation much less consequences from this latest Epstein indictment/fallout.

As far as the various theories go such as a CIA asset, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, but if it is none of "us" are ever going to be made privy to it. This is just "something to talk about" until the next false flag or celebrity sex cult makes the news.

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 19:44 utc | 19

We do not know why Epstein resurfaced, there was no need to re-open the case unless 'they' wanted it to be reopened. Thus, there is definitely a deeper political purpose behind this. As I know the higher ups in both Democrat and Republican Party are in one way or another involved in this (both Clinton and Trump visited his island and I am sure many more prominent high ranking US career politicians), this could indeed be equally dangerous for either political party.

However, I don't think Trump needs convincing with regard to Iran he has been all in on that from day 1 of his presidency and never hesitated a moment to tear up the JCPOA. Bibi was right when he said there was never a US president as friendly towards Israel than Donald Trump. His actions have spoken louder than words. So for this case, we will just have to wait and see what pieces of information they allow the MSM to publish and we will know who they are after or what bigger political goal is at play.

Posted by: Alexander P | Jul 10 2019 19:46 utc | 20

Though the operation was executed fully by the end of Cheney Bush, One can connect the Clinton Admin with earlier building blocks for the scam, such as
the elimination of the anti-trust laws which prevented Banks, Mortgage Co's, Investment Brokers and Insurance Co's from merging.
Posted by: fastfreddy | Jul 10 2019 19:40 utc | 17

The Bush and Clinton crime gangs have been working together since the Mena Arkansas days. Poppy Bush also had his affinity for young boys; see Franklin coverup.

Posted by: O | Jul 10 2019 19:48 utc | 21

@fastfreddy:

...One can connect the Clinton Admin with earlier building blocks for the scam, such as the elimination of the anti-trust laws which prevented Banks, Mortgage Co's, Investment Brokers and Insurance Co's from merging

I suppose you're talking about the repeal of Glass Steagall among other duopoly red-blue dismantling of the checks and balances designed to prevent what happened in 2008. In which case, as I stated - this was a Republican sponsored agenda, with Clinton officials (Rubin?) pushing it through, just like NAFTA. So I am curious why the focus on Clinton alone given that all of this happened right out in the open and wasn't reported on by the centrist left or centrist right MSM up until it was too late to matter.

You are aware that Bush I was pushing for NAFTA and the Republicans and Wall Street friendly Dems were equally culpable for that and 2008, right? All the CRA nonsense (mostly anyway) aside.

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 19:48 utc | 22

IMO, Epstein is nothing but a pimp for the elites and well-connected..

History is replete with men who will have their sex fantasies realized, no matter the laws,
and rules of society, especially and foremost, the uber-wealthy.

This toad Epstein, would make the DC madam look like snow white, if he were to "rat" on his clientele..

Posted by: ben | Jul 10 2019 19:54 utc | 23

Remember that Manuel Noriega was a CIA asset permitted to traffic in Colombian cocaine, and when he was no longer useful, Panama was invaded, and the hit was put on Noriega until he took refuge in the Vatican Embassy.

Posted by: El Cid | Jul 10 2019 19:56 utc | 24

Attorney General Barr's dad hired Epstein to teach at Dalton in 1973.

Posted by: Robert Browning | Jul 10 2019 19:59 utc | 25

fastfreddy @17 O at @21

You got it.

Posted by: lgfocus | Jul 10 2019 20:00 utc | 26

Something does not smell right about this.
It's not like Epstein was some obscure issue or that Trump was uninformed about the case.
Who would allow a person with such baggage on the team?
And the issue was raised so no possibility it was over-looked.
Congress (including the now concerned repubs) had their shot at him, where was the indignation?
Looks like people were told to disregard the issue, until now.
Now like good soldiers they are all barking alert.
Looks like this guy was a plant, an insurance policy maybe.
Now that policy has been triggered - has Trump failed in playing his role?

Posted by: jared | Jul 10 2019 20:03 utc | 27

Indeed, I hope that the Epstein case opens the eyes on the so-called progressive left that Clinton and Obama were merely the chosen pawns or Trojan horses for the ongoing agenda of dismantling any checks on the financialization of the Western economy from the American point of view. The Republicans are always more openly aligned with these interests, but my liberal acquaintances can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that, at the end of the day, Clinton and Obama merely appeared to represent their interests while enabling and strengthening the grip on Western "democracy" of the financial elites and MIC/surveillance/prison states - and their regular resource and share price increasing wars of aggression.

But as I surmised above, nobody who's anybody is going to pay a criminal/political/financial price for Epstein. Slaps on the wrist for all.....again.

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 20:07 utc | 28

Glass Steagall, that was a biggie.

Rubin was a Goldman Sachs guy for 26 yrs. Rubin and Epstein are CFR members.

Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, they all love those Goldman Sachs Swamp Creatures.

Epstein, a known pedophile, is a CFR member.

wiki

Robert Rubin oversaw the loosening of financial industry underwriting guidelines which had been in place since the 1930s.[1] His most prominent post-government role was as director and senior counselor of Citigroup, where he performed advisory and representational roles for the firm.[2] From November to December 2007, he served temporarily as chairman of Citigroup[3][4] and resigned from the company on January 9, 2009. He received more than $126 million in cash and stock during his tenure at Citigroup,[5] up through and including Citigroup's bailout by the U.S. Treasury.

He is currently engaged actively as a founder of The Hamilton Project, an economic policy think tank that produces research and proposals on how to create a growing economy that benefits more Americans.[4] He is co-chairman emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, and is a member of the Africa Progress Panel...

Posted by: fastfreddy | Jul 10 2019 20:08 utc | 29

@25 A CIA family apparently. Which intelligence agency? Does it really matter? Are they not all intertwined at the upper echelons?

Posted by: Lozion | Jul 10 2019 20:12 utc | 30

Alexander P @20--

Mike Cernovich is why. He got the case records unsealed.

Here's a new, for me, twitter source Partisangirl connected with, NewsChute, and he's got a ragging Epstein thread going. He touts The Miami Herald as THE real investigators while VICE is doing cover up work. Lots of info there and even ties to HSBC!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 20:17 utc | 31

KC @18--

I likely have some files on my old, now corrupted, desktops, meaning getting to them is a problem, and I'm currently traveling making that more so. I'll keep your request in mind!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 20:22 utc | 32

If the majority of the blokes who succumbed to the temptations 'laid on' via Epstein's largesse were goyim, then the mysteries surrounding the motivation and funding sources will all but solve themselves.
Didn't someone post a link to a Gawker article purporting to contain the contents of Epstein's little Black Book on a recent thread?

On the other hand, if the girls involved were old enough to pass as being of child-bearing age, and not pre-pubescent, when naked then this is a non-story. In fact it's worse than that; it's about Fake Western Values. i.e. Puritanism reigns supreme in matters related to sex & abortion, but mass murder, theft, genocide and outrageous lies are A-OK - for Judeo-Christians with a Colonial Obsession.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 10 2019 20:23 utc | 33

Barr's dad Donald Barr had been an officer in OSS, the CIA's predecessor. AG William Barr's first job out of college was with the CIA, where he stayed for several years, including while he went to law school. Before going to the CIA, William Barr got a Columbia MA in government and Chinese studies, so he pretty clearly intended to go to the CIA.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 10 2019 20:24 utc | 34

Not sure I buy the narrative of some folks here that the very rich won't be touched by the Epstein fallout, yes they may not be directly affected by lawsuits but the mere fact names will be flying around related to the Epstein f*ckline, it will move the populous to treat those people very hard. Pedophile is a well known issue, forever and global, but, one thing is to keep it quite with loads of money the other thing is to face the population heads on and be marked as pedophile and never to be able to walk freely in public, ever. The ordinary people will never tolerate this, for the simple fact it goes against family, and that si still important, we will see more big guys involved and expose, more from alt media than MSM, but we may also see some sort of witch hunt from one sect of the very rich toward the other sect of the very rich, a civil war, and that would be a lose-lose for the very rich, all odds are wide open at this stage, what will define the sequence of this is the next big name on the string...will it Bill Clinton ? or other ex President or future candidate ?

Posted by: Canthama | Jul 10 2019 20:28 utc | 35

They're not just Fake Western Values when they are the values of the society that the conspiracy wants to blackmail. Whether the values are fake or not, they're real for the society in which the objects of the blackmail live.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 10 2019 20:30 utc | 36

KC @ 28; Right on target, but, don't hold yer' breath before the sheep acknowledge reality..

Posted by: ben | Jul 10 2019 20:30 utc | 37

If it's war not just on the very rich but on the intel agencies that have been their instruments in very sinister activities, I will applaud it. I very much hope that those agencies will at least end up severely weakened.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 10 2019 20:35 utc | 38

@31 Karlofi

I very much doubt Mike Cernovich was just 'allowed' to win this case. Or do you still believe in the independence of the US Judiciary, than that is a whole different debate here.
Cernovich similar to Jones and other alt-right figures have their role to play in all of this, so it is not surprising he was the one to have the case reopened and not some unknown victim. Cases at this level are 'allowed' to move ahead or stopped in their tracks as happened in 2008.

Posted by: Alexander P | Jul 10 2019 20:36 utc | 39

Peel back the layers:

"Did you know that Jeffrey Epstein was a founder of the Clinton Foundation?"

Photocopy of document follows.

Comment from Techno Fog thread announcing the case's unsealing:

"Mueller issued the stand down order to Acosta under the Bush regime My gut instinct:the cover up of Prince Andrew and the open border cartel human/narco/Weapons smuggling was driving Bush,owned by the Koch’s and Brits and the rest of he coverup was the Dims.Both are globalists."

All that cover up occurred during BushCo with Mueller involved up to his eyes. The amount of dirt and dead bodies covered by this is likely quite large and implicates Current Oligarchy actors, which is why it's so important and recognized as such on the various twitter threads I've read and linked.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 20:48 utc | 40

What a disgusting country to USA really is now that we are becoming aware of the horrors and crimes the US leaders have and are still committing done under the name of 'democracy'
I sounds more like a 'pedocracy' or 'sexocracy'. It smells rotten.

Posted by: Virgile | Jul 10 2019 20:49 utc | 41

What evidence is there that Mueller, as FBI Director, would have issued such a stand down order to U.S. Attorney Acosta? Wouldn't it have been much more likely to have come from AG Mukasey or his deputy? (Who was the Deputy AG then?)

Posted by: lysias | Jul 10 2019 20:58 utc | 42

@27 jared. Interesting and logic. A mechanism of pressure on Trump to acquiesce to go full spreed ahead on Iran? If not, revelations are made, Acosta goes, can negate Trumps re-election, etc. Problem is, Kompromat is used by both sides of the aisle so who knows where the Domino effect will take this..

Posted by: Lozion | Jul 10 2019 20:59 utc | 43

Epstein is in the news again because the Miami Herald and Cernovich won a lawsuit to unseal documents related to the civil suit by Virginia Giuffre against Epstein.

The power elite can not hide everything but I would guess that very little justice will come out of this. They’ll try to implicate trump (though the proof does not appear to be there) and then they’ll sweep this back under the rug.

I disagree with B here. This was clearly an operation by billionaire, Jewish, Israeli zealots that was aided by Mossad. Epstein just ran the operation.

Posted by: Alaric | Jul 10 2019 21:07 utc | 44

Alexander P @39--

He didn't "win a case" he got the records unsealed:

"The 2nd Cir. has ordered the summary judgment record in Epstein's District Court case to be unsealed.

"Great work from @Cernovich - who intervened to get these particular records unsealed."

As Cernovich notes:

"Cy Vance - Democrat, gave Epstein a pass on sex offender status.

Acosta - Republican, approved plea deal.

Muller - Republican, signed off on FBI closing file on Epstein.

Schumer - Took money from Epstein.

Bill Clinton - Travel.

This isn’t partisan. Corruption at all levels."

What's good is that most people commenting on the threads I've read, including Cernovich's, understand just how deep the rot goes, and that it's not confined to North America.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 21:09 utc | 45

Meanwhile the right are claiming that the reopening of the Epstein case is proof that Pizzagate was right. The Epstein case might have similarities to the disproved Pizzagate conspiracy theory (i.e., paedophilia) but that's all so the Epstein case is not proof that Pizzagate was true.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jul 10 2019 21:09 utc | 46

KC. The progressive left is not Clinton or Obama. Check out the definition of liberal in the dictionary and see how badly this term has been abused.
They were garden variety corporatists masquerading as traditional Democrats. They helped fill the DNC's coffers with corporate cash and left the rest of us twisting in the wind, all but destroying the Democratic Party as an alternative to the rapacious GOP.
Hillary delivered the coup d'gras with her primary high jinx and Russiagate nonsense.
You don't think Matt Taibi is a credible source? Did you read Griftopia? He pretty much lays it out.
Why no one was prosecuted is an easy guess. A billion dollar presidency requires they get in bed with the felons...Bernie excepted. He crowd funded his campaign.

Posted by: CD Waller | Jul 10 2019 21:11 utc | 47

@ 3 Karlof1

Totally agree.
It would be a most salutary outcomoe if Obama were dethroned and exposed for the lying lounge lizard he is.
Scales reallyl need to fall from eyes.
I am surprised that Trump doesn't embark on this enterprise with gusto.
Puncture the Obama-Clinton BS balloon once and for all.


Posted by: Really? | Jul 10 2019 21:11 utc | 48

I highly doubt that Epstein case will result in any arrests of high powered politicians or major celebrities (maybe they'll arrest a few pilots or chauffeurs, but no billionaires). I also remember all the talk of Anthony Wiener's laptop and his "Insurance folder", but that didn't lead to anything. If even 1/10 of all the rumors surrounding these people were true, it would rank as the greatest political scandal in the last 200 years and would be nothing less than a geopolitical earthquake that would totally reshape the Western world. It would certainly destroy the current Neoliberal international world order, as nations would become terrified that their political stability would harmed if their national elites would become enmeshed in another international scandal

Posted by: Kadath | Jul 10 2019 21:12 utc | 49

Two whores and chicken a l'orange in every pot.

Posted by: C I eh? | Jul 10 2019 21:20 utc | 50

Trumps ex-pal Epstein linked to intelligence. Makes sense given he has Robert Maxwell’s daughter doing the procuring. His was likely a black mail operation run by the intelligence agency

Trumps other ex-pal (partner) was also linked to intelligence. Bayrocks Felix Sater. I imagine some of their business practices could have landed Trump in jail unless like Felix he cooperated

Could Trump himself be a an intelligent asset? Perhaps under duress through his activities with Jeffrey and Felix.

If so, indeed the question is if its Israels or the US agency, or is there any difference now.

I don't pretend to know the answers.

Whats the end game?. Comeys daughter is one of the NY prosecutors.Dershowitz is an Israeli puppet and was behind getting the sealed files opened. Is Clinton and the Dems the target or is it meant to pressure Trump to go hard on Iran or risk something coming out? Something else?

I cant help but wonder why nobody choses to remind us about the case filed against Trump in 2016, where a woman claimed rape at age 13 at Epstein's apartment. Is wasn’t covered much at the time either. Apparently silently withdrawn. Curious no? Not even the so called Deep State Media that everyone believes was against Trump. Theydon't seem to want to touch it now either. Maybe its just BS.

Of course, maybe just more distraction as they continue fleecing the bottom 90%

Posted by: Pft | Jul 10 2019 21:22 utc | 51

Epstein was/is Mossad. He ran honey traps for Israel.

This is one of the primary ways the Tribe controls US politicians.

This is how Deep State controls Trump, and why Trump betrayed every campaign promise, except the one to Israel.

Acosta was told to give Epstein a sweetheart deal and to stop the Federal investigation.

For his compliance, he was awarded the job of Labor Secretary in the Trump administration.

Posted by: Mr. Lucky | Jul 10 2019 21:28 utc | 52

Billionaire, $6 B, Les Wexner, L Brands, Victoria's Secret.

from Wiki

Wexner had a close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, who managed Wexner's financial assets. Wexner and Epstein parted when Epstein went to prison.[25] Wexner was believed to be the primary source of Epstein's wealth. [26]

Posted by: fastfreddy | Jul 10 2019 21:30 utc | 53

@CD Waller - Yes I know these terms have been abused and for good reason. But at the end of the day, you know damn well that anyone who could reasonably be included in that group by the more realistic definition, knowing all that they (should) know now, would vote tomorrow for Hillary or Obama again if they could.

Are you telling me that the various groups of people protesting the concentration camps on the border care about the rot that goes to the core of the Democrat AND Republican parties, or that Hillary and Obama's coup in Honduras ca. 2009 is what's causing them to come here?

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 21:31 utc | 54

@CD Waller - Where in the world did you get the idea that I don't think Taibbi is a credible source? In fact I said to karlof1 that I've read all of Taibbi's books on the financial crisis (and that includes "Griftopia").

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 21:33 utc | 55

@33 hoarse
"On the other hand, if the girls involved were old enough to pass as being of child-bearing age, and not pre-pubescent, when naked then this is a non-story."

from the Daily Beast:

'For Epstein’s birthday one year, according to allegations in a civil suit, he was presented with three 12-year-old girls from France, who were molested then flown back to Europe the next day.

These same civil complaints allege that young girls from South America, Europe, and the former Soviet republics, few of whom spoke English, were recruited for Epstein’s sexual pleasure.'


Yup. nothing to see here.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Jul 10 2019 21:39 utc | 56

@Lozion (43) & Jared (27)

Pressure on Trump would seem to be a likely prime mover here. Many salivate over possible damage to former (dodgy) democrat politicians, but they, like Epstein, are merely collateral issues, for the reason that they no longer have any power or influence. They would undoubtedly be caught up and exposed, especially if Epstein takes the Nuclear option, hell, even a couple of Royal Family members may come unstuck, but at the end of the day they are not the main target. I believe pressure toward an Iran war to be the underlying issue. Others have commented that Trump seemingly doesn't require a great deal of prompting to do Israels bidding, and, up to a point, that's true. But there's quite a lot of difference between moving your embassy or putting on some sanctions, and taking your nation to war against a very determined and capable opponent, and it seems clear from recent events that Trump would not take such an option unless forced. He's out of his depth, but not a total moron. Even he could see that would lead to disaster, for the United States, as well as his re-election chances.

Posted by: tspoon | Jul 10 2019 21:40 utc | 57

1. The most important thing is that people are actually speaking about Epstein and his connection two a sitting president and an ex-president and a whole host of international politicians and royalty, rather than it being dismissed as something on the margins of internet quackery.

Even MoA is talking about it for instance.

2. The Epstein scandal needs to be seen in the context of the Weinstein affair which eventually snowballed in to #metoo which had huge effects on western society particularly inter-gender relations. More will come out and my prediction is that this is going to be bigger than the Weinstein affair.

Posted by: Muslim_Dude | Jul 10 2019 21:41 utc | 58

things are bad when the intel agencies are pulling all the strings.. and it could just as easily be mossad or the cia.. i think they're both tied at the hip with little separation...

folks are repeating much of what was in @9 karlof1's link.. i guess folks don't bother to read links..

Posted by: james | Jul 10 2019 21:43 utc | 59

Whatever the level of conspiracy, physics still applies and it seems a negative feedback loop is taking hold of this current house of cards. It's not like there is a lot of honor among thieves and they are eating their own and will continue to do so. The best us peons can do is sit back and enjoy. What drives this is that money is the god these people follow, but they have emptied the piggy bank holding it all together, aka, the dollar.

Posted by: John Merryman | Jul 10 2019 21:43 utc | 60


I am trying to link Wexner with the Bronfman's (Seagrams Liquor Family) via a source other than the Mega Group (which may not be credible, IDK).Clare Bronfman and NEXIVM.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/

seagram-heiress-clare-bronfman-pleads-guilty-in-nxivm-sex-slave-case-825103/

https://www.wexnerfoundation.org/about-us/our-offices--staff


Looks like Epstein was running a high powered honey trap to ensnare Politicians, Lawyers, Government employees for the express purpose of promoting the "Greater Israel Project".

Posted by: fastfreddy | Jul 10 2019 21:45 utc | 61

@fastfreddy - While I hesitate to engage in the ubiquitous Israel is at the root of all debacles conjecture, I think you might be onto something there. Sure would be interesting (now or when whatever shakes out of this) to compare the record on votes of importance to Israeli interests of any politician who gets implicated or indicted with who doesn't.

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 21:51 utc | 62

Protecting Epstein and his clients is secondary. The main goal is to protect his billionaire, Jewish, sponsors and whatever state sponsored him. The pleabs cannot know that their gov is corrupt but the bigger secret that must be kept is who is pulling the strings and how they are doing it.

Posted by: Alaric | Jul 10 2019 21:52 utc | 63

Alaric @64
Absolutely!

Posted by: lgfocus | Jul 10 2019 21:56 utc | 64

Those who want to go all medieval with the lurid fantasies about invincible conspiracies of sexually depraved people who enjoy killing, be it Jews or witches, should at least get modern.

First, blackmail evidence doesn't have to be tapes (Betamax? VHS?) or DVDs. It can be semen stained sheets, used condoms thrown into the waste basket, pubic hairs and possibly a child who passes the paternity test. The disappearance of this evidence needs to be accounted for. If it was never collected

Second, there needs to be a sensible account of where and when this blackmail evidence is stored and how the approach is made. The usual thing so far as I can tell is the use of lawyers. Intermediaries with legal privilege are invaluable. In particular, if Epstein is supposedly an extortionist for some intelligence agency, it is the agency which will have the materials, not Epstein.

Third, if the legalities are any obstacle at all, the fact that the CIA's legal remit is for foreign intelligence matters. How and why the CIA works domestically needs to be explained. If the agency is supposed to be Mossad, how the Mossad can expect impunity needs to be explained, not assumed on the grounds International Jewry secretly rules the world.

Fourth, in either case, someone needs to explain what Epstein is doing for these agencies with all this stuff. The great problem here is not just proving that none of these politicians are doing things they don't already want to do. The implicit idea that they would suffer somehow by an independent policy is enough of a stretch. You have to show the extortion is necessary to achieve whatever the alleged goal is, so vital to success the risk of provoking the enmity of wealthy and powerful people, or getting caught at it, must be taken.

Fifth and most important, all these propositions and other "facts" need to be demonstrated strongly enough to rule out, or at least compete with alternative explanations. For a single example, to make much of Epstein teaching at the Dalton School you should have an idea how often uncertified teachers worked at the Dalton School, how important the right social background (as in recommendations from influential figures,) is for their hiring and not least how long Epsteing even worked at Dalton. News reports demonstrate very little about complex propositions. Even simple facts that aren't verified by scrutiny from different parties can be unreliable. Generally the best thing is to rely on evidence that is actually sound enough to introduce in court without being blasted apart by an attorney.

In a complex proposition, which can be view as a proposed model, the probability of the whole model being correct equals the probability of the least likely new element. The difficulty there is that the probability of any given element---such as the likelihood of Barr's father getting Epstein a job and this establishing a meaningful connect between Barr's son and Epstein---depends on the amount of sampling. Ransacking the biographies is a lot of sampling. The more sampling the more random correlations can be made, which is not, not, not the same as demonstrating causal connections. Causal connections is what justifies saying a model is correct.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 10 2019 21:57 utc | 65

As the decades-long establishment protection of the likes of Edward Heath, Jimmy Savile, Bill Clinton etc etc shows, the establishment will pull out all the stops to avoid public exposure of their sexual predation on children. These are the people who currently rule the world ... they control everything ... does anyone seriously believe they will permit their own downfall?

Posted by: TEP | Jul 10 2019 21:57 utc | 66

Am enjoying the insights here and can share a few responses after years of reporting on Epstein, Clinton, Obama, Trump and Barr.

In response to lysias at #34 on Barr's intelligence and corruption cover-up background, here's a full history with links: "Trump Found His Roy Cohn In Deep State Fixer Bill Barr," May 27, 2019. https://www.justice-integrity.org/1659-trump-found-his-roy-cohn-in-deep-state-fixer-bill-barr

Regarding questions on Acosta by Jared at #27, here's a 2017 article showing that the facts were out about Acosta when the Senate confirmed him: "Did Trump Labor Pick Protect Trump, Rich Rapists, Tax Cheats, Crooked Bankers? Do We Find Out Wednesday?" March 14, 2017. http://ow.ly/hk8b309Uerm

Regarding MSM reluctance to mention rape of 12 and 13 year olds by Trump, as several commentators noted, here's a January 2017 wrap up of those matters with leading to other links: "Welcome To Waterbury: The city that holds secrets that could bring down Trump," Jan. 9, 2018. http://www.justice-integrity.org/1445-welcome-to-waterbury-the-city-that-holds-secrets-that-could-bring-down-trump. My colleague Wayne Madsen and I filed a FOIA action today at the U.S. Justice Department seeking further records.

Our view is that this is an intelligence / foreign policy operation and it's likely that Epstein's time has run out, an occupational hazard in that field. Further, Madsen and I have written separate books years ago documenting that all U.S. presidents after Carter -- but not yet Trump as proven -- have been covert assets of the CIA or FBI before -- stress that -- they entered politics. That's the way it is, and helps explain a lot of the complaints in comments above. Trump is in his own category of a corrupt stooge -- that's not necessarily better.

Can recommend excellent 2008 book "Flat Earth News" by longtime UK journalist Nick Davies that describes the deeply flawed nature of MSM from his perspective as a Guardian and other UK journalist, who aptly describes why lies and quarter-truths get printed. That's a longer story but the gist is what many here are suggesting.

Posted by: Andrew Kreig | Jul 10 2019 22:02 utc | 67

@53 Mr Lucky. Your post implies "someone" has the goods on Trump. Care to elaborate?

Posted by: Lozion | Jul 10 2019 22:07 utc | 68

Alexander P | Jul 10 2019 19:46 utc | 20

As we all know, a BIG distraction is necessary when the shit’s about to hit the proverbial fan…

so, what do you suppose will be the reaction of the 1.8 billion Muslims when this goes down?
Mon, 06/03/2019 – 14:25 https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-03/severe-clashes-jewish-settlers-enter-al-aqsa-mosque-compound-jerusalem note: don’t care for Zero-sum but few others picked this up.
Mon, 06/24/2019 – https://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-jerusalem-al-aqsa-third-temple/259926/
Wed, 7/3/2019 – https://www.mintpressnews.com/third-temple-activist-movement-israel-theocracy-civil-rights/260142/

Sacrificing one of their own to advance the “agenda” has many historical precedents.

Posted by: Desolation Row | Jul 10 2019 22:27 utc | 69

Desolation Row -

Whatever happens, you can bet that the large number of asylum seekers fleeing the next U.S./Israeli/Saudi/NATO war on Muslim country(ies) will be foisted on small European countries with social safety nets and limited job opportunities.

It seems to be the Western consensus that Israel shouldn't have to take any of them in. Even when, as is coming per your links, they and the U.S. are the cause of the problem.

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 22:34 utc | 70

@steven johnson

At the very least you could do a modicum of reading on CIA domestic operations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/10/23/cia-is-expanding-domestic-operations/7e62ab9b-8c1c-4202-b7bd-44b3fb6931c0/?utm_term=.18efa3cb14e3

And that's from Jeff Bezos' CIA funded Washington Post.

Also it's the stated purpose of the CIA to remain covert, hence you're not going to find a lot of ADMISSIONS that they are involved, but if you doubt they are, there's plenty of other reading material out there. LOL I did get a kick out of your deference to their stated mission, however.

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 22:37 utc | 71

Andrew Krieg:

A period made its way into one of your hyperlinks.

Here it is in working fashion: City Holds Secrets Could Bring Trump Down.

Posted by: KC | Jul 10 2019 22:42 utc | 72

Epstein, Milchan, Kushner, Zuckerberg.......

Sick of this f**king traitors. When is this country going to get its head out of its ass and look at which group is destroying it from within? And all to benefit a foreign government.

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Jul 10 2019 22:43 utc | 73

Read this and weep:

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/spying-for-israel-is-consequence-free/

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Jul 10 2019 22:44 utc | 74

I don't think we should expect a blackmail operation like this to be as upfront as some of you appear to assume. It is likely a very small percentage of those involved that have been called upon for favours, and fewer still that have been put under any pressure.
I think they mostly do this stuff because they enjoy it. If they really want to pressure you there are cheaper and simpler options, like threatening to kill your kids.

Posted by: p | Jul 10 2019 22:46 utc | 75

for the full context of the previous "unborn children" comment:

"And he would call me all the time, but he would threaten me. He would talk, and then he would say, 'You know, Vicky, if I don’t like this piece, you know, something is going to happen to your unborn children.' You know, and that way, he would sort of say it, you know, lightly, but I went to the magazine’s general counsel at the time.

When they came early, he had asked me what hospital they were going to be born at. So I actually did put security on them. They were born two months prematurely. And I did. And I think one of the reasons it took me so long to revisit this story is that it was obviously extremely traumatic, not least because, you know, getting the two young women who talked to me to go on the record, verifying with sources around them their accounts of what had happened to them, was extraordinarily harrowing and difficult." (emphasis mine)

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/7/8/jeffrey_epstein_a_billionaire_friend_of

reminds me of bolton's "we know where your kids live" threat to the OPCW director who dared stall the iraq war for 5 seconds.

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/29/john-bolton-trump-bush-bustani-kids-opcw/

and of course the guy who swiped epstein's little black book "coincidentally" died in prison. it was claimed to be mesothelioma as opposed to "shank overdose" or "unfortunate noose incident" but still...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/prince-andrew-sex-allegations-jeffrey-epsteins-butler-alfredo-rodriguez-who-stole-tell-all-black-9962307.html

maybe the girls were screwed on beds made of asbestos?

as for the 5 Ws of this:

what: the same charges at which no one batted an eye last time. cernovich definitely did a great job shaming those involved but it's florida so shame is relative...

where: others mention it happening in new york as opposed to florida. both are israeli occupied territory but new york is democrat-heavy while florida is pretty much a republican trailer park. they both also happen to have deeply entrenched trump assets.

when: after russiagate tanked? despite trump's ongoing teflon status it's possible some of the deep state twats - who probably have connections to epstein thus explaining the "the belongs to us" remark - threw this against the wall to see if it would stick before 2020. it could also be blackmail/pressure from mossad/adelson types. or maybe it's something we have no clue about.

why: TBD

who: too many people from all spectrums to make a guess. i have to admit i'd love seeing at least dershowitz and/or pinker go down in flames.

Posted by: the pair | Jul 10 2019 22:51 utc | 76

After years of study and many many books I believe the Mossad and CIA are one and the same. The Mossad is very useful when leaving sovereign footprints is verboten--and vice versa.

Posted by: last day of grace | Jul 10 2019 23:04 utc | 77

"...'Belongs to intelligence' makes a lot of sense. The question is to which one. A lot of people will says "Mossad" but I don't believe that to be the (full) truth ..."

At the level that Jeffrey Epstein is operating, he is loyal primarily to himself but happily takes his reward from whichever intel agency at any time offers him the most or whose interests might prove the most lucrative for him.

And the interests of American, British, Israeli and other nations' intelligence agencies are surely so entwined that picking them apart is impossible. One thing for sure though: none of them serve the interests of the nations they supposedly work for.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 10 2019 23:06 utc | 78

The function of the CIA/Mossad is to make sure the agenda and the narrative of the Deep State gets served. In that case one could truly blame Epstein's actions on individuals, or groups of individuals who dictate orders to the Mossad/CIA.

Posted by: last day of grace | Jul 10 2019 23:09 utc | 79

Cernovich and Dershowitz; quite an unlikely pair, IMO. What was Dershowitz's motive for helping to unseal the illegal plea bargain? Well, he discusses that at length at his Twitter in entries too numerous to link/excerpt. Basically, his motive was his own self-interest in a pending civil lawsuit, which is likely why his Twitter's gone silent since 5 July. This thread reveals it:

"I am pleased that the exculpatory material that I have been trying to get unsealed for years will finally be made public."

The rest I'll let everyone read for themselves. Why unseal materials that would convict him? Clearly, most negative comments on the ensuing thread aren't related to the Epstein materials and are related to the longstanding hatred he's attracted over the decades.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 23:15 utc | 80

KC@73 thinks running Epstein as Charles Augustus Milverton isn't a black op. I do. CIA agents helping the FBI get around domestic laws on intelligence gathering isn't the same thing at all, even if deplorable. Turning pretty much all US nationals abroad they can into assets is also deplorable, but still not the same.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 10 2019 23:20 utc | 81

The honey trap is an ancient, tried and true blackmail device. With Epstein as the rich (sponsored by rabid, Israel-first billionaire, Les Wexner), handsome facilitator, goyim, plus Derschowitz, were easily led "down the garden path".

A lot of these Congress people surely feel as if they "made it" financially and they owe themselves some indulgences.

Bunch of creeps.

Posted by: Kristan hinton | Jul 10 2019 23:26 utc | 82

@29

Epstein is CFR???
What???
HOw can that be?

Posted by: Really? | Jul 10 2019 23:31 utc | 83

Lozion:

I am not implying, I am stating that they absolutely have the goods on Trump.

His supporters knew he was a scum bag when they voted for him, but he promised to stop the invasion and they fell for it.

Why do you think that Trump did a 180 on every campaign promise once elected, except the promise to Israel?

Why do you think that Trump gave Acosta a job after the sweetheart deal?

Ask yourself another question: Why is happening as the election cycle is beginning?

Anyone who says Clinton is in trouble is delusional. Clinton is invincible.

They are going after Trump.

Posted by: Mr.Lucky | Jul 10 2019 23:37 utc | 84

82 Cont'd--

Dershowitz: "...trying … for years..." so, not just suddenly upon filing.

Cernovich is a little more difficult, although it appears he was also fighting for years to aid someone else. Ah, timeline but not motive. Initially filed on 19 JAN 2017. I'm sure somewhere on his blog Cernovich provides his motive. And he notes that Miami Herald did a lot of heavy lifting. It appears that Cernovich and Dershowitz won on the merits of the case, not because the judge was told to let them win.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 23:38 utc | 85

58

"I believe pressure toward an Iran war to be the underlying issue. "

How would that work out in practice?
What are the steps?

That someone is literally blackmailed into starting a shooting war with Iran?
That would have to mean that Trump is fatally compromised by Epstein. Whenpush comes to shove, no one but Trump can give the order to drop a few bombs.
I do not believe that to be the case---that Trump is compromised by Epstein.

Posted by: Really? | Jul 10 2019 23:39 utc | 86

"Something does not smell right about this."

Re timing, could it be connected to Mueller soon to be under oath and testifying?

could Mueller be a target of some kind?

Posted by: Really? | Jul 10 2019 23:39 utc | 87

To KC @74: Thanks for fixing broken link!

Posted by: Andrew Kreig | Jul 10 2019 23:42 utc | 88

#46

"the disproved Pizzagate conspiracy theory (i.e., paedophilia)"

What is "disproved" about Pizzagate?

The Podesta brothers still look, and sound plenty scummy to me, whether they "did it" in a pizza parlor or some other type of parlor, say, a tattoo "parlor" ha ha.

Posted by: Really? | Jul 10 2019 23:43 utc | 89

KC @ 18
Bill McBride and Doris Dungey at Calculated Risk did a lot of deconstruction of the Mortgage/Securitization/Breach of Fiduciary Trust fiasco in the aftermath of the GFC back in 2008-09. Including the failure to prosecute.
Not sure if that helps as its not current, but they illustrate how it was all swept under the rug

Posted by: juandonjuan | Jul 10 2019 23:47 utc | 90

Epstein reminds me of the Bill Browder affair. And the statement: To know who are the rulers not which are the ones you are not permitted to criticize. Or somethinh like that.

Posted by: jared | Jul 10 2019 23:50 utc | 91

Kristan hinton @84--

No, not Dershowitz. IMO, he has a very strong case and appears to only be concerned with himself. Cernovich, OTOH, certainly seems to be a Glory Hunter seeking bigger prey but not Trump. Clearly the Clintons are concerned, which is why they issued a statement, but records show Bill's involvement well before the years it mentions. Too early to tell how it all shakes out and who gets sacrificed besides Epstein.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 10 2019 23:51 utc | 92


Re: 'It was obviously a Mossad operation ... It was all about blackmail'

The Epstein arrest has Zionist fingers all over it ... why now?

In the 2008 'deal' after Epstein's 2007 indictment, ultra-Zionist Alan Dershowitz was a leading lawyer brokering that deal

Now Dershowitz seems to have sabotaged Epstein, Dershowitz arguing in court that Epstein files should be unsealed and made public ... Dershowitz won that battle in a US federal appeals court 2 July, 4 days before Epstein was arrested

Dershowitz claimed he was trying to defend himself but that seems silly ... Epstein files cannot 'prove a negative' that Dershowitz never raped children, there can only be a lack of evidence ... and files show Dershowitz deeply connected with Epstein

Daily Beast is the media leading the charge against Epstein now with 'insider scoops' from prosecutors

Daily Beast was founded in 2008 by Jewish media kingpin Barry Diller, & Tina Brown 'who has Jewish grand-father'

On 30 June during the USA 2016 election, The Daily Beast ran a story about how the Jeffrey Epstein files, could destroy either the Clintons or Donald Trump

Prosecuting Epstein in New York, is US Assistant Attorney Maurene Comey, daughter of of scandal-tainted former FBI Director and Hillary Clinton partisan James Comey, who had been fired by Donald Trump

Maurene Comey recently married into a Jewish Zionist family, her husband Lucas Issacharoff, son of Samuel Issacharoff, who has taught at Tel Aviv University as well as in the USA

Wikipedia, run by CIA-Mossad ex-pornographer Jimmy Wales, friend of Israeli presidents, has edited Epstein's biography to delete the USA Democrats connected with Epstein

Trump has recently hit his 'highest popularity ever' per 'polls', as USA Democrats get weirder & more out of touch with 'reparations for gay & lesbians' - 'open borders, no immigration restrictions' etc ... It looks like they are staging 2020 for Trump to win again

Are Epstein files & video tapes blackmail fodder to keep Trump in line, & many others as well?

February 2000 photo of Donald Trump, then-girlfriend Melania, Jeffrey Epstein who seems to be grabbing Melania's bottom, & Ghislaine Maxwell

Weird masonic illuminati type 'temple' built on Epstein's 'paedo island', possibly the site of horrid goings on

Is Epstein 'really' being indicted? Will he 'really' be in jail? Such things are easily faked now ... as are many other things, 'videos', 'child porn on computers' etc

Is the Epstein arrest a Mossad terror scheme, against all the people worldwide who ever flew on the 'Lolita Express'?

(comment above was posted by Brabantian, on the Aangirfan blog (aangirfan blogspot dot com) in response to the latest post on Jeffrey Epstein. In case anyone is interested, the full comment includes numerous links, to articles and images that I left out)

Posted by: anon | Jul 10 2019 23:55 utc | 93

"On the other hand, if the girls involved were old enough to pass as being of child-bearing age, and not pre-pubescent, when naked then this is a non-story. In fact it's worse than that; it's about Fake Western Values. i.e. Puritanism reigns supreme in matters related to sex & abortion, but mass murder, theft, genocide and outrageous lies are A-OK - for Judeo-Christians with a Colonial Obsession.
Hoarsewhisperer@33
A very good point and one which reminds one that the corruption in our society is not exemplified in what is wrongly called 'pedophilia', but in the corruption of the mass hypocrisy of society paying lip service to the notion that sexual relations involving young women is a perversion.
It is certainly a reasonable social policy to regard relations involving children under the age of puberty as taboo; but to call the bedding of a 17 year old girl, for example, 'pedophilia' is not only perverse but contributes to a dangerous social atmosphere in which we may not challenge lies that officialdom insists upon our believing true.
And one of the obvious forms the corruption here takes is to force those 'acting naturally' to break laws and open themselves to blackmail.
It has always to be remembered that if slaveowning, genocide and plunder were three of the cardinal qualities of the American character, the fourth was a hypocritical puritanism derived largely from sexual guilt.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 11 2019 0:06 utc | 94

@ steven t johnson | Jul 10 2019 21:57 utc | 66
___

Thank you sir for bringing some sanity to the comment section. I have been avoiding MoA lately simply because of the wild projectionists that have been commenting here.

There used to be some sanity, but it appears Moon's comment section has become a uberleft platform.

It's time to reign in your commenters "b".

Posted by: Greg M | Jul 11 2019 0:07 utc | 95


@ 95 the correct link (to the comment posted above) is:

https://aanirfan.blogspot.com/

Posted by: anon | Jul 11 2019 0:08 utc | 96

If indeed they are after Trump as he failed them on 'Iran', then it makes absolute sense that Dershowitz and Cernovich had the records unsealed as both are strong, strong Zionists and supporters of Israel. Getting a judge do the thing they need is just a formality. I agree with some writer above who asked, why the publicity if pressure can be applied in secret without the media being involved? But this may be the stated goal to bring Trump either completely in line now or publicly topple his presidency.

I get why @94 Really? and others would be sceptical at this stage but I know strong powers in the Zionist/Neo-con deep state want a direct confrontation with Iran for myriad number of reasons (stop the BRI, deal a blow to Syria and Hizbollah, take out Israel's No 1 enemy etc, shore up the Petrodollar), and Trump was still the most likely candidate to follow through with this, given his proximity to Zionism. So far he also has dully followed through with everything imaginable, except for actually attacking Iran.

Interesting development indeed. B. Clinton could be collateral damage, at this stage their power is overestimated in my opinion.

Posted by: Alexander P. | Jul 11 2019 0:09 utc | 97

Andrew Kreig @68--

Okay, An "intelligence op," but which one? The Epstein/Mueller link was made several months ago. I don't see any irregularities in the court judgement to order the unsealing as it's been ongoing for almost 2.5 years and involves odd bedfellows. Was Mueller even aware of the attempt to unseal Epstein's case? So many questions!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2019 0:11 utc | 98

The American attitude towards sex may be unreasonable, but it is very real and can effectively be used as blackmail. As was almost certainly done here.

Is anybody going to question whether blackmail is immoral?

Posted by: lysias | Jul 11 2019 0:13 utc | 99

#68
"My colleague Wayne Madsen and I "

Wow. Very impressed. Any friend of Wayne Madsen's is a friend of mine.
I am glad to hear that you and Madsen are on the case.

Posted by: Really? | Jul 11 2019 0:15 utc | 100

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