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July 18, 2019
Open Thread 2019-40
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Not sure how to explain that to students in 101 History of the US. On one side it is ok fort he US President to sing “send her back” about an elected member of congress who is born in Somalia, Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 16:48 utc | 1 IRGC seizes foreign ship smuggling 1mn litres of fuel “After being assured that the foreign ship was smuggling fuel and under the order of Iranian judiciary officials, IRGC navy forces seized the vessel in a surprise operation,” the statement said. See the full story here Fuels are subsidised there is cheap and all the time there is good margin to smuggle fuel out of Iran. Posted by: arata | Jul 18 2019 16:53 utc | 2 Here is an article that looks at how American voters feel about Donald Trump’s approach to Iran: Posted by: Sally Snyder | Jul 18 2019 17:05 utc | 3 “IRGC seizes foreign ship smuggling 1mn litres of fuel” Posted by: Roger Wilco | Jul 18 2019 17:06 utc | 4 @arata (2) Posted by: bjd | Jul 18 2019 17:09 utc | 5 mina @1– Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 17:19 utc | 6 For the ones who still believe China is capitalist: Reposting here as still relevant. Posted by: gzon | Jul 18 2019 17:37 utc | 8 Is it just me, or is this pedo-Epstein op starting to look like a Bibi op to take Barak out of the election? Yes, Bibi might just be piling on to an existing situation as an opportunity to take out Ehud, but… Posted by: casey | Jul 18 2019 17:52 utc | 9 @Sally Posted by: casey | Jul 18 2019 17:55 utc | 10 Yesterday, I linked to the TASS summary of Lavrov’s interview with Argumenty i Fakty. Now here’s the translated transcript that provides a link to Russian original. The first question: Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 18:35 utc | 11 In case you missed it since it’s linked toward the previous thread’s end, here’s Pepe Escobar’s latest focusing on the China-Outlaw US Empire tiff and why the latter holds a losing hand. Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 18:38 utc | 12 Yesterday Reuters thought their main headline should inform the world that Posted by: librul | Jul 18 2019 18:40 utc | 13 casey @9: That has seemed to be one thing it is being used for, to get Barak to retire again. And both Barak and Dershowitz seem to be seriously spooked by the Epstein case. But of course you can’t take that at face value either. Dershowitz is practically beshitting himself, the big-shot lawyer, hmm, do we believe that? “I kept my undies on.” This guy saved OJ? Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2019 18:41 utc | 14 @Mina (1) Posted by: Cemi | Jul 18 2019 18:45 utc | 15 @ casey #9 Posted by: Jayne | Jul 18 2019 18:46 utc | 16 The ‘Grace 1’ is still anchored off Gib. and the detained crew were granted bail. Maybe they get to do some sightseeing there at least. I’d be happy for them if they could. Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 18 2019 18:56 utc | 17 @librul #13 Posted by: c1ue | Jul 18 2019 18:58 utc | 18 “Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif has commented on earlier publications in the media about the seizure of a ship carrying contraband oil, noting that it was a small vessel capable of carrying up to one million litres of oil and not an “oil tanker”, as reports had originally described it as. He added that such anti-smuggling operations occur on a daily basis.” -Sputnik Posted by: Featherless | Jul 18 2019 18:59 utc | 19 Back to the French air-to-air missile that was originally delivered to Qatar that was discovered by Italian police as part of a large neo-Nazi weapons cache. Posted by: Brendan | Jul 18 2019 19:04 utc | 20 The latest reports of where those missiles went is even more remarkable than the original fake news of Russian-backed Nazi separatists. Posted by: Brendan | Jul 18 2019 19:06 utc | 21 So, Rand Paul gets Iran to agree to more nuke inspections if Trump drops sanctions. Is this a reaction to Putin agreeing to get involved with INSTEX? A viable alternative to SWIFT would be a real, real big drag for the United Snakes. Posted by: casey | Jul 18 2019 19:07 utc | 22 @ Bemildred | Jul 18 2019 18:41 utc | 14 Posted by: Ort | Jul 18 2019 19:08 utc | 23 How “send her back” is more racist than “super predators”? Posted by: DG | Jul 18 2019 19:09 utc | 24 Ort @23: Yeah, I can see that. Revenge of the Nerds. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2019 19:12 utc | 25 In this corner, we have Moon of Alabama presenting the officially approved narrative Posted by: Saoirse | Jul 18 2019 19:20 utc | 26 casey @22: I think the Rand Paul balloon was another attempt to get Iran to talk to Trump without having to give them anything (The sanctions worked!). Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2019 19:23 utc | 27 Trump: “US Navy downed Iranian drone” Posted by: Travis | Jul 18 2019 19:28 utc | 28 A good article by Whitney Webb from MintpressNews:
Posted by: jsb | Jul 18 2019 19:30 utc | 29 OK we’re even: Posted by: jared | Jul 18 2019 19:38 utc | 30 Bemildred @27– Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 19:38 utc | 31 It’s on ZeroHedge, so it may be bullshit, but it has quotes: Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2019 19:47 utc | 32 casey @9: starting to look like a Bibi op to take Barak out Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 18 2019 19:49 utc | 33 Judge Berman decided no bail for Epstein. Posted by: Gorky | Jul 18 2019 19:50 utc | 34 My immediate reaction to the news of the UK’s seizing the Grace was that the Iranians have something the Brits want back. Posted by: Montreal | Jul 18 2019 19:58 utc | 35 So what is actually happening? Because right now all I see is a lot more attention-grabbing misdirection than usual. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 18 2019 20:01 utc | 36 Here’s an interesting clip showing the “liberal” pres. candidate, a “progressive” guest, and a “conservative” guest discussing foreign policy. The dog’s gone crazy. Posted by: kabobyak | Jul 18 2019 20:01 utc | 37 The source isn’t the most solid but the Guardian is reporting on Zarif’s offer @karlof1 – 31 Jack Rabbit @33: I’ve seen that argument in a couple of places now, that he’s been fingered in order to put pressure on lots of people, perhaps intentionally “caught” as we wondered about before. I haven’t made up my mind about it. Those sort of people have been known to hit back when threatened. But then, we aren’t dealing with rational people, so it may well be. “They always double down.” Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2019 20:14 utc | 39 Speaking of Epstein, thought some here may find this very long, detailed article of interest. I can’t vouch for it but damn if it doesn’t provide background on the folks Epstein has surrounded himself with such as Ghislane Maxwell as well as ties to Israel and how he likely made a ton of dough – @13, most deplorables and neo-confederates will cheer and applaud racist tirades from Boss tweet. That’s why they elected a known conman who pushed the Obama birther stories for years. While Chump fancies himself as the great white hope, his administration of dominionist degenerates and neo-confederates are destroying whatever pillars of american power that remains. Let’s just hope stable genius will not send us all back to the stone age to save his behind. Après moi le déluge… Posted by: Sol Invictus | Jul 18 2019 20:41 utc | 41 Hey Sol Invictus – no need to worry about being sent back to the stone age. Your guy already did that to us. He appreciated your vote btw. RT reports the USS Boxer shooting down an Iranian drone. Iran is upping the ante. Posted by: bjd | Jul 18 2019 20:51 utc | 43 @h (38) Posted by: bjd | Jul 18 2019 20:54 utc | 44 @h #40 Posted by: Jayne | Jul 18 2019 20:55 utc | 45 @Ort #23: Or maybe his undies had a fly. Still technically kept them on. Posted by: S | Jul 18 2019 20:56 utc | 46 “NYFed Williams basically implied ZIRP is coming back and soon and that sent the market’s expectations for July rate cuts soaring (50bps now at 65%!)…” Posted by: Saoirse | Jul 18 2019 21:09 utc | 47 This concerns folks living within the Outlaw US Empire and those foolish enough to waste their monies vacationing here. This reports on the 3rd case of flesh eating bacteria I’ve seen so far this year–the previous 2 resulted in deaths after swimming in the Gulf of Mexico along the Florida coast near Destin. This man remains alive but he’s in Alabama and that doesn’t bode well for him. He was swimming in fresh water. Everywhere in the South is hotter than normal and GoM temps are close to 90F on the beach. More than those 3 cases is certainly possible; Florida in particular is very sensitive having press reports about it as it seems to be the place with the best odds for getting it. The first link in the story goes to the most recent death–just 48 hours from exposure to coroner! Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 21:18 utc | 48 “send her back’ xenophobic bullshit… if folks didn’t need a wake up call on who trump supporters are, that sure did it.. Posted by: james | Jul 18 2019 21:31 utc | 49 Bemildred & h– Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 21:35 utc | 50 Jayne @45 – crazy times we’re living in. About people waking up, well, I read a gazillion comments back in ’08 by earnest folks who didn’t quite understand what was happening here in the U.S. but sensed the country being taken in an unfamiliar direction. They were right. I don’t see a lot of those kinds of comments like I used to, sure some make them, but no where near the extreme level I witnessed then. That said, I wholeheartedly believe more and more and more are seeking and the best any of us can do is help lead them to sources who don’t propagandize, who don’t sell fear, who hate’s any on the right, but rather providing factually based/sourced information about whatever the policy/political topic may be. Wow! China’s Global Times has attacked Pompeo turning his own rhetoric against him: Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 21:59 utc | 52 Odd comment librul #13 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 18 2019 22:03 utc | 53 re h, at #40 Posted by: eagle eye | Jul 18 2019 22:18 utc | 54 karlof1 @48 & 50: I think one of these days something is going to come along and decide we look like a big pile of food. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2019 22:20 utc | 55 About the Iranian drone shooting down Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2019 22:21 utc | 56 It was a blone, not a drone. Not a drone, a balone. That’s the ticket, a baloon. It was a kid’s balloon. Posted by: Kristan hinton | Jul 18 2019 22:34 utc | 57 Bemildred @55– Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 22:51 utc | 58 karlof1 @58: I think we are only beginning to understand what is going on with microbial life, what alchemy was to modern chemistry. But yeah, it’s their world, and we just live in it. The thing with those multi-resistant strains is it is not worth it to have those immunities unless they are in a hospital where all those drugs are used a lot. Same with feedlots, they give rise to “superbugs” because of slapdash use of drugs to “boost growth”. So what they really are is highly specialized bugs adapted to live in the perverse environment we have created in our hospitals, where they run amok among the weak and injured. The fact it is out in the wild now is not a good sign. I wonder how prevalent anti-microbials are these days in the Gulf? It suggest a new robustness. Ebola seems to be evolving too. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 18 2019 23:08 utc | 59 Interdasting. Iranian offer to accept enhanced inspections for an end to sanctions. Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 18 2019 23:10 utc | 60 sparkling example of us diplomacy at work… malevolent fucks.. Posted by: james | Jul 18 2019 23:18 utc | 61 @ Scotch 17 Posted by: gzon | Jul 19 2019 0:01 utc | 62 Since Open Thread I can add a shout out to bevin that I have my $25 copy of William Cobbett’s “Paper against Gold” and look forward to the read and sharing at MoA Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2019 0:03 utc | 63 james @61: Pompeo looks very angry to me, like he is going to pop a blood vessel one of these days. I think the Iranians will keep provoking him and Trump, karlof1 posted a piece there at #52 where the Chinese are joining in too. It’s time to confront the bully. No doubt the desire to go kick the shit our of some small country to make ourselves feel better will be hard to resist. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 19 2019 0:18 utc | 64 @karlof1 – 31 Posted by: dltravers | Jul 19 2019 0:30 utc | 65 @psychohistorian (63) Posted by: bjd | Jul 19 2019 0:34 utc | 66 @64 bemildred… pompeo is a pompous ass – perfect figure head for the usa on a few levels… i’m not sure how much the usa can keep bullying others while also lying thru its teeth on a regular basis before the jig is up.. could be quite a while.. thanks for pointing out the article from karlof1! in related news i see donald tusk – president of the european council had a few things to say on trumps latest tweets – Posted by: james | Jul 19 2019 1:05 utc | 68 Zarif’s job, and dealing with the US (etc) nitwits, sounds exhausting. Didn’t he want to quit recently, and his boss said no ? Kudos to him for staying in the game. Posted by: Featherless | Jul 19 2019 1:07 utc | 69 Psychohistorian @ 63: Posted by: Jen | Jul 19 2019 1:15 utc | 70 I wonder if the news about a US warship bringing down an Iranian drone is really a smoke-n-mirrors story to cover up an incident on the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier in which a sailor went overboard and is now missing in the Persian Gulf. Four warships from three countries (including Pakistan and Spain) are helping in the search. Posted by: Jen | Jul 19 2019 1:23 utc | 71 In this coming election year, just wondering if any candidate will mention the U$A’s latest regime, in the context of the class war being waged against the working classes. Posted by: ben | Jul 19 2019 1:41 utc | 72 @72 jen.. thanks.. i hope they find the person.. Posted by: james | Jul 19 2019 1:45 utc | 73 @72 Arabian Sea Jen…..I doubt if the Abraham Lincoln will enter the Persian Gulf. Posted by: dh | Jul 19 2019 1:58 utc | 74 DH @ 75: Posted by: Jen | Jul 19 2019 2:37 utc | 75 curious man @67:
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 19 2019 2:49 utc | 76 @ 74 said;”anyone who believe twitter is neutral needs to give their head a shake… another paid for corporation with shitty ideals and values..” Posted by: ben | Jul 19 2019 2:54 utc | 77 Is the Veterans Today website a disinfo/limited hangout propaganda site ? Posted by: Featherless | Jul 19 2019 2:57 utc | 79 Strangely, I’ve tried to post the link twice, but my post doesn’t appear. Witchcraft ! Posted by: Featherless | Jul 19 2019 3:18 utc | 80 I used to love the BBC, Australian ABC and US NPR. I once thought I was getting real news from The Guardian and NYT or Sydney Morning Herald. Posted by: PJB | Jul 19 2019 3:43 utc | 81 The following is the complete posting from Xinhuanet and I trust its length won’t offend and I think it is important to point out the latest wedge attempt by empire Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2019 3:55 utc | 82 @7 vk
And this is the leader of what could be called the world’s greatest nation, addressing his peers and colleagues in the leadership of that nation. No wonder they talk about following “Xi’s Thought”. And as the perfect analog for the Chinese people’s relationship with its government, they will follow it just as long as it perfectly articulates and mirrors the mind of China.
~~ Posted by: Grieved | Jul 19 2019 3:55 utc | 83 @83 psychohistorian Posted by: Grieved | Jul 19 2019 4:13 utc | 84 Well, the rumors of an Iranian offer from Zarif is now confirmed by this article: Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2019 4:38 utc | 85 Thanks to Grieved with the link to Understand the Rise of China and other references for me to follow. I did enjoy the Ted talk and like the term civilization state Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2019 5:07 utc | 86 Ray McGovern reports on the opening phase of what Russiagate will become–Deep State-gate: Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2019 5:20 utc | 87 I’d like to second psychohistorian @87 in his appreciation of Grieved’s contributions. Martin Jacques is also cited in Pepe Escobar’s latest I linked to earlier in the thread. Ten years ago he wrote what’s become a rather excellent book, When China Rules the World, Pepe also promotes. Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2019 5:36 utc | 88 Psychohistorian @ 83: Posted by: Jen | Jul 19 2019 5:48 utc | 89 “Unaccountable Media Faced with Dilemma in Next Phase of Deep State-gate” Posted by: dltravers | Jul 19 2019 6:18 utc | 90 Iran Should Never Trust a US Promise Again…nor should anybody else! Posted by: curious man | Jul 19 2019 7:02 utc | 91 You Are Being Trolled Posted by: curious man | Jul 19 2019 7:23 utc | 92 But Iran says on the presstv.com website that not one of their drones is missing from anywhere.. https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/07/19/601296/Iran-Araqchi-US-drone-Persian-Gulf-Strait-Hormuz- Posted by: snake | Jul 19 2019 7:28 utc | 93 Reason Why West Is Determined to Ignore China’s Success Posted by: curious man | Jul 19 2019 7:34 utc | 94 Social Psychopathy and Tyranny Posted by: curious man | Jul 19 2019 7:42 utc | 95 French state media widely reporting that Iran says no drone missing and that the US rather shot one of their own drones. Posted by: Mina | Jul 19 2019 7:45 utc | 96 What the Epstein case reveals about the US is that either this country is so poor that it finds completely normal to have dozens, or rather hundreds, of 15 years old girl going directly from school to an old pervert’s appartment ‘give a massage’ or more for 200 bucks or it wants to impose this kind of society as a model. In places that have as many cameras as the luxury avenues of NY? Without any reaction from the police? Posted by: Mina | Jul 19 2019 8:08 utc | 97 Has anyone else read this article over at Unz, by their editor and chief? Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 19 2019 8:22 utc | 98 About China? Posted by: JC | Jul 19 2019 9:03 utc | 99 All Iranian drones safe at bases after surveillance missions “Contrary to Trump’s delusional and groundless claim, all drones belonging to the Islamic Republic of Iran in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, including the one mentioned by the US president, have returned to their bases safe and sound after carrying out their scheduled surveillance and control operations,” Brigadier General Abolfazl Shekarchi said on Friday. The top military spokesman said the US president’s claim is aimed at creating tension and disrupting security in the strategic waterway. See the full story here Posted by: arata | Jul 19 2019 9:19 utc | 100 |
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