Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 30, 2019

No, Israel Did Not Attack Iranian Targets In Iraq

Israeli newspaper repeat a report which claims that Israeli planes hit Iranian targets in Iraq.

From the last one:

The IAF used its F-35i stealth fighter jets to hit two Iraqi bases that were used by Iranian forces and proxies and for storing ballistic missiles, the London-based Saudi daily Asharq Al-Awsat reported on Tuesday.

Asharq Al-Awsat is owned by Faisal bin Salman, a member of the Saudi ruling clan. It is - like other Arab papers - often used to launder Israeli disinformation and propaganda that is then repeated in the Israeli press.

The original Asharq Al-Aswat report reads:

Israel has expanded the scope of its Iranian targets in Iraq and Syria, western diplomatic sources told Asharq Al-Awsat amid reports that Tel Aviv carried out an airstrike earlier this month against an Iranian rockets depot northeast of Baghdad.

The July 19 attack was carried out by an Israeli F-35 fighter jet, they added.

On Sunday, the Ashraf base in Iraq, a former base used by the Iranian opposition People's Mujahedin of Iran, was targeted by an air raid, said sources.

The base lies 80 kilometers from the border with Iran and 40 kilometers northeast of Baghdad.

The sources revealed that the strikes targeted Iranian “advisors” and a ballistic missile shipment that had recently arrived from Iran to Iraq.

Last week, Syria’s Tal al-Hara was struck by Israeli jets.

The diplomatic sources said the attack targeted Iran’s attempt to seize control of the strategic hill, located in Daraa countryside in southern Syria.

The above F-35 promotion then goes on to laud the Israeli Arrows-3 air defense missile the U.S. paid for.

Of the three incidents Asharq Al-Awsat mentions only one, in Syria, really happened.

On July 19 a fire broke out at a camp of the 16th Brigade of the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF). It set off some ammunition. The 16th is a light infantry brigade. It does not have ballistic missiles. While the incident was first reported as a missile attack, an investigation later said (Arabic) that the fire was caused by a defect of some equipment (machine translation)

The Central Commission of Inquiry sent by the People's Assembly on Sunday announced the results of the investigation into the bombing of the Martyrs' Camp of the Commission, which is located near the city of Ameri.

The report of the specialized committee confirmed that the investigations conducted have proved that the explosion was not a military target as a result of a plane or a guided missile, but was a fire of solid fuel due to an internal defect.

No one was killed in the incident.

The alleged attack on Sunday never happened:

TØM CΛT @TomtheBasedCat - 17:29 UTC · Jul 30, 2019

The Camp Ashraf incident was nothing more than a rumor that started on Facebook. It's not even called Ashraf anymore, the base is named after the Brigade 27 commander who was Martyred in Diyala battles.

Saudis hard at work creating Fake News.

It is not the Saudis that created this fake news but the "western diplomatic sources", aka the Israeli ambassador in London, who briefed the Asharq Al-Awsat writer.

The third incident, in Syria, did happen:

Syria's state media said on Wednesday an Israeli missile attack had targeted the country's southern province of Daraa, but did not report any casualties.

State news agency SANA and state TV added that the "Israeli aggression" struck Tal al-Hara hill that is home to Syrian army posts adding that it only caused material damage.
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The Tal al-Hara hill, a strategic area overlooking the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, was for many years a major Russian military radar outpost until rebels took it over in 2014 before it was again recaptured by the Syrian army last year.

Israel did not hit any Iranian targets or anything else in Iraq. The Asharq Al-Awsat story is pure propaganda.

If the Israeli air force were stupid enough to bomb targets in Iraq, it would likely see consequences that it would not like:

TØM CΛT @TomtheBasedCat - 18:08 UTC · Jul 30, 2019

And besides

If Israel really wants to waste their time and resources striking sites in Iraq, by all means.

They'll only accelerate the decision as to whether or not to purchase the S-400 system.

There are plenty of Air Defense Officers who are already fluent in Russian.

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Why is Syria still seemingly defenseless against air strikes after acquiring the s-300?

Posted by: calm | Jul 30 2019 17:22 utc | 1

@1 Zanon is on his way to give his standard song and dance.

Posted by: Stygg | Jul 30 2019 17:27 utc | 2

calm @1--

Syria's current Rules of Engagement don't allow the targeting of intruders outside its airspace, which is where the Zionists launch their attacks from. The Pantsir system works better at destroying already launched missiles, and its ammo is more economical. And Syria's far from "defenseless" as the vast majority of Zionist missiles are destroyed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 30 2019 17:43 utc | 3

Here's a doozy:

"The US rejected an Iranian offer to exchange Al Qaeda prisoners for MEK leaders in Iraq in early 2000s.

"According to this report, the Pentagon opposed because it 'wanted to use the MEK for future operations, potentially as the core for an insurgency.'"

That refusal also served to tip the Outlaw US Empire's strategy and penchant for sponsoring global terrorism.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 30 2019 17:55 utc | 4

thanks b- disinfo buster!

about the constant attacks on syria from israel... at what point do the israelis get a taste of their own medicine? i noticed a ramping up in rhetoric from russia on how the usa is using al tanf and etc for training moderate headchoppers and getting them to act as middlemen for syrian oil sales for more of the same bs. my impression is russia's patience is wearing very thin, or that the usa and it's coalition have become a lot more brazen and open in their manipulations..

Posted by: james | Jul 30 2019 18:02 utc | 5

karlof1 @3

Syria's current Rules of Engagement ...

What about the recent Syrian buk (or whatever it was) that crashed into Cyprus? Wasn't that targeting an IAF plane over Lebanon?

Posted by: nobo | Jul 30 2019 18:14 utc | 6

nobo @6--

No, the Il-20 shootdown to which you refer was in Syrian airspace. You clearly have yet to see this video presented at the presser held by Russia's Defense Ministry detailing the entire attack. Zionist jets had already attacked and were reforming for another as you'll see. The subtitles are in English, so you'll have no problem understanding.

Elsewhere, it appears Macron didn't like Trump's insult of French wine as he's now acting like de Gaulle:

"#French President @EmmanuelMacron called #Iran President Hassan Rouhani, rejected the US sanctions and confirmed the right of Iran to protect the Strait of Hormuz.

"Macron may visit #Tehran soon."

That comes after Germany's refusal to help patrol Persian Gulf. So that leaves the EU, France, Germany, Russia, China, and Iran as JCPOA members.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 30 2019 18:51 utc | 7

@ Calm #1

They are not entirely defenseless. They do shoot down many missiles. But Russia is unwilling to risk an outright confrontation with Israel with whom it desires, at least for now, good relations. Russia's relationship with Israel is the foundation of the Trump-Putin relationship, as attenuated as that may now be. Israel, backed to the hilt by the the US, is too powerful a combination for Russia and Syria to tangle with at this point in time, so Russia constrains Syrian behavior and distances itself from the Israel-Iran slugfest. Putin gave Syria the S-300s after the shutdown of the Russian aircraft caused by Israeli air maneuvers and the rage that generated among senior Russian military leaders. He is walking a tight rope.

But certainly, anyone with any sense of justice longs for the day when dear little Israel gets its just desserts. And it's nice to see that opposition to Israeli mayhem is one thing that helps bring Iran and Turkey closer together.

Posted by: Oscar Peterson | Jul 30 2019 18:57 utc | 8

Karlof1@7
I think you missed the Cyprus incident our friend @6 is referring to.
Unusual for you.

Posted by: dan | Jul 30 2019 19:04 utc | 9

I love all the troll posts. "WHen is Israel going to get a taste of its own medicine?"
James, have you read a news story in the last 70 years? Israel has been under constant and unrelenting attack since the day it was created, and before that from the initial settlements under the Balfour declaration. The Arab states rejected equitable partition, and have been engaged in constant war against the Jewish State, refusing any reasoned settlement. The goal is to use the Palestinian people as pawns, launching constant attacks against Israel from their camps until Israel must respond. The ideal outcome for the Iranian and extremist butchers is to kill Israelis and have their retaliatory strike kill some children (thus rockets and strikes are often launched from schools or hospitals) to parade in front of the cameras. Similarly, young "martyrs" are sent with bombs strapped to their chests to approach Israeli checkpoints, then blow up their vest to maim the Jews. Ideally, this leads to Israelis being forced to shot children who approach their checkpoints and ignore orders to stop. Total victory is the death of such a child who is simply a decoy, with no explosive device, again to parade in front of the cameras. The goal is to erode support for Israel over the years. Iran has sworn its oath and duty to Islam to destroy Israel and dominate all 57 Muslim majority nations under the "Supreme Leader" and the Mullahs' perfect Sharia law, no mater the cost. Thus, the Palestinian refugees may never be permitted a peaceful resettlement, and Israel is left with no options, no one with whom to negotiate, only to defend herself and try to avert an extinction-level attack from the lunatics. This untenable position has given traction to the hard-liners on the right in Israel as it appears there is nothing to be gained from moderation.

Whether or not Israel was forced to a pre-emptive strike in Iraq to destroy Iranian weapons and materiel, the script is always the same. Iran acts like Goldfinger in the eponymous James Bond movie, When Bond, strapped to a table about to be cut in half by a laser, says to the villain, "What secrets are you after, Goldfinger? What is it that you want from me?" Goldfinger cackles and answers, "Why, Mr Bond, I simply want you to DIE!"

Posted by: NYMinutemanIII | Jul 30 2019 19:07 utc | 10

Addressing several comments about rules of engagement in Syria; I picked this article up from a commenter here one day and wondered how many others had actualy had the chance to read/analyze its central claim:It's Official: Israel is Now a Joint US-Russian Protectorate.

Posted by: KC | Jul 30 2019 19:07 utc | 11

Pompeo opened his big trap and looks like he might eat his whole foot:

"Prof. Marandi challenging @SecPompeo's honesty in showing interest in an interview on Iranian media!

"Let's see how American hypocrite will stand to his own words!"

Marandi: "I propose a 45 minute interview in conversation form with @SecPompeo during one of his foreign trips. It can take place in a non-governmental building through a major media outlet independent of the US. @AJEnglish, @RT_com, @CGTNOfficial, @AlMayadeenNews, @SABCNewsOnline,..."

Maybe he can be goaded to the point where Pompeo has a heat attack and leaves the stage for good!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 30 2019 19:10 utc | 12

@ 10 NYM3

You must be new around these parts... the majority of folks here are NOT dimwitted trolls (and especially not James) whom you can throw crap at and hope it sticks. You're gonna have to defend your position with a LOT more than just your opinion and an Ian Fleming quote...

And so, equally without evidence, I can dismiss outright your comments by simply saying your are off your cotton-pickin' rocker...

Oh ya, and remember the USS Liberty...

Posted by: xLemming | Jul 30 2019 19:30 utc | 13

dan @9 & nobo @6--

Yep, somehow missed the word Cyprus. Still, it's likely those jets were again in Syrian airspace given where Cyprus is located in relation to Syria. Indeed, I've yet to see confirmation it was an S-200 missile, mainly because I've filed that incident as unimportant.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 30 2019 19:36 utc | 14

I think it's fair to say that there is no evidence whatsoever that Russian AA is capable of taking down any aircraft other than Russian spy planes.

Posted by: paul | Jul 30 2019 19:46 utc | 15

@ Dan #9, nobo # 6 and karlof1 # 14

I think that the Cyprus downing was significant because there has been no confirmed air attacks by Israel since then.

I remember reading speculation that the downed wreckage in Cyprus could be a F35 which would make sense in light of the propaganda but not Israel attacks since then.

I can see that this posting is bringing out the trolls folks so remember b's request that they not be fed because it just gives him more work to do later.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 30 2019 19:54 utc | 16

I'm quite fond of any story about the imaginary country using imaginary stealth jets (F-35i) to bomb an Iranian target in Iraq. Given all the other lies, I'm mildly surprised that they didn't claim that they used their imaginary Nukes.
If the "Israelis" had real Nukes, they'd be gloating about having Iran snookered, not gnashing their gums and bullshitting about the Existential Threat from Iran.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 30 2019 19:55 utc | 17

@NYM # 10

"This untenable position has given traction to the hard-liners on the right in Israel as it appears there is nothing to be gained from moderation."

"Moderation?" LOL. The Zionist project could never be moderate by its very nature. You don't seize the land of others and convert it into a ethnographies-nationalist state for yourself through moderation. You take it, hold it, and expand it through a relentless program of aggressive warfare and ethnic cleansing. It was inevitable that the fiction of "Labor Zionism" would eventually be discarded, and the inherent judeosupremacism of the Israeli state eventually emerge in the light of day via Likud.

Posted by: Oscar Peterson | Jul 30 2019 20:00 utc | 18

Iranian and Emirati officials have agreed to bolster bilateral maritime security cooperation during a meeting in Tehran, the first such talks since 2003 which come amid heightened tensions in the Persian Gulf region.

The meeting was held in the Iranian capital, Tehran, on Tuesday between a visiting Emirati delegation featuring ranking coastguard officials and Iranian security authorities, IRNA reported.

Read the full story here

Posted by: arata | Jul 30 2019 20:04 utc | 19

This is the level of 1984 propaganda we live in that few actually realize. Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia at constant war with each other and ever shifting alliances in the disputed lands just too keep their respective populations under control. All the while the 3 are controlled by the same mafia group.

Trump, Putin and Xiping are advised by Kissinger.

Posted by: O | Jul 30 2019 20:13 utc | 20

Why is Syria still seemingly defenseless against air strikes after acquiring the s-300?

Posted by: calm | Jul 30 2019 17:22 utc | 1

WHY S-300 IN SYRIA NOT BEING USED AGAINST ISRAELI AIRCRAFT
https://southfront.org/why-s-300-in-syria-not-being-used-against-israeli-aircraft/

Iran appeared to take issue with the fact that Russia -- which isn't an OPEC member -- announced to the world over the weekend what OPEC was about to do. Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking at the G20 meeting in Japan after meeting with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, didn't even wait for OPEC's members to formally meet in Vienna.

Iran warns Opec ‘might die’ due to Russia-Saudi domination
Saudi-Russian Oil Fling Becomes a Marriage to Last an ‘Eternity’

Revealed: Why Russia are pushing Iran OUT of the Syrian Civil War

Posted by: O | Jul 30 2019 20:18 utc | 21

Some missiles have been shot down, others have hit their target...

A quote from an Al Jazeera article linked above. 100% unadulterated bullshit, like everything else you see read hear in three monkey media, alternative or not.

Another commenter above asks why doesn't Syria use S300's?

Answer is because Syria does not likely have S300's, and certainly not operational control of S300's. S300's are mainly a p.r. stunt, adverstising the Russian M.I.C. Erdogan bought the promise like a shopping channel junkie and is now using it to surround Cyprus with warships and drill rigs. Everyone uses their own media to tell their own story. Selling weapons and war are the primary objective of media.. to keep everyone fearful and unable to challenge perogatives of fascist police security states, under which we all now live.

This is a society of spectacle. The only way to understand it is to proceed like an Intelligence analyst. Why am I being told some of it is real when more than likely nothing is real. What do the enemies of Truth want me to think?

Can you answer the last question, or are you too stupefied by institutionalized hasbarama to acknowledge your responsibility?

Posted by: C I eh? | Jul 30 2019 20:21 utc | 22

Chabad is a Criminal Organization,
an Organized Crime Mafia
http://www.chabad-mafia.com/mafia

Trump's first 'pardon' was for Sholom Rubashkin
among his crimes was human trafficking.

Trump is actually part of a money laundering scheme with Deutsche Bank.
"Tammy McFadden, one of the former Deutsche Bank employees who spoke to the Times for “Deutsche Bank Staff Saw Suspicious Activity in Trump and Kushner Accounts” said that she was fired for having pushed the matter within the bank."
https://therealnews.com/stories/trumps-real-estate-dealings-needed-a-criminal-organization-deutsche-bank

Trump and Putin are both owned by the same mafia.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-happy-go-lucky-jewish-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007

Russian/Israeli mobsters have called Trump Tower home for a long time.

"Out of prison, notorious Russian mobster yearns to return home
Boris Nayfeld, who came to New York with other Jewish emigres, is at the end of a storied career of crime, and now worries about future prospects in the US
"...After the infamous mob boss Agron was killed, Nayfeld served as a bodyguard and chauffer for the next don of the Russian mob, Marat Balagula.

Balagula maintained an office at the El Caribe Country Club, a Brooklyn catering hall and event space owned by the uncle of President Donald Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael Cohen.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/out-of-prison-notorious-russian-mobster-yearns-to-return-home/The uncle, Dr. Morton Levine, said that all his nieces and nephews have an ownership in the company, but that Cohen “gave up his stake,” after Trump was elected."

The Russian Crime Organization That Operated in Trump Tower
FBI wiretaps, illegal gambling and an Israeli connection, just three floors down from Donald Trump’s penthouse.https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-the-russian-crime-organization-that-operated-in-trump-tower-1.5452362

VLADIMIR PUTIN: THE CHABAD LUBAVITCH MOBSTER WHO WOULD BE THE GLOBALIST MESSIAH
2) Putin was placed into the Russian Presidency by the uber-corrupt Boris Yeltsin
http://www.dutchanarchy.com/vladimir-putin-chabad-lubavitch-mobster-globalist-messiah/

Putin’s Chosen People
What’s behind the Russian president’s close relationship with an Orthodox Jewish sect?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/11/vladimir-putin-chabad-whats-behind-the-russian-presidents-close-relationship-with-an-orthodox-jewish-sect.html

Posted by: O | Jul 30 2019 20:22 utc | 23

@10

This is going to be fun watching you getting shredded, post after post. Hopefully b will not delete your post before we can have a few more digs.

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Jul 30 2019 20:26 utc | 24

@NYMinutemanIII [10]:
Iran has sworn its oath and duty to Islam to destroy Israel and dominate all 57 Muslim majority nations under the "Supreme Leader" and the Mullahs' perfect Sharia law, no mater the cost.

Is there any proof of your claim or did Ayatollah called you personally and told you about his grand plan in private ? LOL

Posted by: Fantome | Jul 30 2019 20:27 utc | 25

DW is reporting that AmeriKKKa's pleas for UK, France & Germany to join a US Navel-gazing Coalition Of The Willing in the Straits, has been greeted with a laughable lack of enthusiasm. In fact Germany is getting tired of reminding the Yankees that they want Trump to cut the crap and tone down the rhetoric.
A couple of weeks ago ABC.net.au News published tracking maps of the Strait in their 7pm bulletin. The maps showed that in a 24 hour period, 400+ commercial ships passed through the Straits. Of the 400, more than half were oil tankers and about 1/3 were container ships. The boffin whose job it was to point out the futility of trying to protect the tankers using warships was chuckling all the way through his assessment.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 30 2019 20:34 utc | 26

karlof1 @14

Magnier claims the Israeli attack on 30 June was from over Lebanon-

https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1145545961160228865

The Guardian reported the rocket crash in Cyprus on 1 July-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/01/missile-from-syria-israel-clash-lands-on-cyprus

Bottom line, somebody can and should put a stop to these criminal acts of war.

Posted by: nobo | Jul 30 2019 20:54 utc | 27

To trolls and frothing propagandists.
A lot of heat: not enough light.

Posted by: CDWaller | Jul 30 2019 21:00 utc | 28

" Israel has been under constant and unrelenting attack since the day it was created,"

This is classical projection. The Zionists determined from the beginning to use their strength-as clients/agents of the colonizing power- to intimidate the population. No strand of Zionism from the Labour Zionists to the Jabotinsky fascists (yes fascists and proud of Mussolini's training and patronage) ever intended to negotiate equally with the Palestinians, who they regarded as inferior untermenschen. From the first Zionism has been an ultra right, colonialist project modelling itself on those in America, Australia and South Africa in which self proclaimed 'chosen peoples' stole the land and enslaved the populations of the lands Imperialism had conquered.

"The Arab states rejected equitable partition"
This is entirely untrue-no equitable partition was ever offered to them. And when an inequitable partition, giving a Zionist minority the bulk of the land and resources, was proposed by the UN it was rejected as insufficient by the Zionists who, well armed and in superior numbers, set out to drive the villagers of Palestine out of their own country. The massacres of the naqba are well documented and form the boasts of many a veteran of haganah, the Irgun and the Stern Gang.
It is evident to all that the Zionists have continued to reject any attempts at compromising the situation: the Oslo agreements are daily breached, the number and extent of illegal settlements in the Occupied West Bank is clear evidence of Zionism's persistent aim to drive all the Palestinians out of their country and supplant them with Jews of European origin. Only a couple of days ago we saw an appalling injustice, committed with sadistic relish by the thugs of the IDF, in the form of the demolition of more than eighty homes in East Jerusalem.

"...and have been engaged in constant war against the Jewish State, refusing any reasoned settlement."
It is notorious that none of the Arab states has lifted a finger to assist the Palestinian cause, militarily, since 1973. Far from being under attack Israel has repeatedly attacked neighbouring states, and is responsible for the deaths of millions (Millions) of innocent civilians. It has plumbed the depths of debauched criminality in, for example, its treatment of south Lebanon during a long occupation. The massacres of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in 1982 are undeniable acts of callous, animal brutality.

The case of Israel is the political litmus test of our age: those-the Many- who are on the side of justice, decency and humanity are opponents of Israel. Those-the Few- who shelter behind imperialism and cast their lot with inequality, injustice and the vulgar notion that might is right are friends of Israel who care as little for the people of Palestine as for the victimised everywhere else.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 30 2019 21:04 utc | 29

There are photos that show the remains of an S-200 missile in Cyprus, but, there is more to that story. Witnesses heard three explosions over Cyprus, and video shows at least three areas on the ground burning, spread out over about half a mile. The military prevented access to all but one site, the site that contained the back portion of an S-200 missile. It appears to me something was shot down, I'd guess an Israeli f-15 trying to make it to the British Airbase that is located near the shootdown site.


The S-300 isn't really designed to fend off pin-prick air-raids launched from behind mountains in a neighboring state, the Pantsirs do well enough to minimize the damage. S-300 is there in case of an actual war and full on air assault. Plus, as Karlof1 aptly states Syria's current rules of engagement don't allow for it. The time isn't right to confront Israeli aggression.

Posted by: Jason | Jul 30 2019 22:10 utc | 30

bevin @29--

I prefer Occupied Palestine as what's considered the israeli state which IMO is illegitimate as territory was awarded to Imperialism and thus contrary to the UN Charter. Its behaved as a cancer destroying and killing, and it needs to be excised from existence as would a tumor.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 30 2019 22:17 utc | 31

@NYMinutemanIII

How the Jews acquired an army and air force for the conquest, ethnic cleansing and colonisation of Palestine:

"In contrast, the Jews could pay in dollars, raised by Golda Meyerson (later Meir) in the United States, from her fund-raising tour of seventeen cities. Championed by former U.S secretary of the treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr., chairman of the United Jewish Appeal, Meyerson eventually raised some $50 million."

https://www.meforum.org/7263/the-birth-of-israel-prague-crucial-role

That's half a billion in today's $.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Jul 30 2019 22:22 utc | 32

Not meaning to criticise, but does anyone else think that there is a, ahem, disconnect between the idea that the 16th Brigade of the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Forces is a light infantry brigade *and* the explosion was caused by a fire caused by defective solid fuel?

The latter is not normally associated with light infantry.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 30 2019 22:44 utc | 33

To the commentators asking why Syria doesn't fire off S-300's left, right and centre.

Well, why would the Syrians waste them on a target that hides behind some Lebanese hills only to pop up and fire some missiles before scooting away. It is very unlikely that the S-300 can keep a radar-lock long enough to even open fire, much less direct the missile to the target.

The Syrians are keeping those for when the shit really hits the fan e.g. the S-300 is to be used in an all-out, no-holds-barred, every-plane-takes-to-the-skies aerial assault from the Israelis.

At that point the Syrians will use to S-300 to shoot at F-15 and F-16 aircraft as they take off from base, as those jets fly out to sea, and as they turn back to get under the cover of Lebanon's hills.

But that's an all-out attack. What of these current attacks?

Even if they do exist (and I agree with b, there is a lot of nonsense to some of these claims) they are nothing more than feel-good acts of bravado by Netanyahu's cabal. They achieve nothing of any military effect, they alter the balance of power not one whit. They fail any sensible cost-benefit analysis, even to the point where the missiles probably cost more to fire than the damage that they inflict.

The air raids exist only so that the Israelis can continue to delude themselves that they are making a difference.

Why waste expensive equipment against such pathetic efforts.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 30 2019 22:57 utc | 34

@33
Nope SAM, ATGM, MANPAD as well as some short-range rocketry systems all use solid fuel and are all common to light-infantry.

Posted by: Jason | Jul 30 2019 22:58 utc | 35

@35 Oh, sure, but a "defective MANPAD" or a "badly-fuelled ATGM" is unlikely to result in anything remotely resembling a news-worthy BOOM!!!

This was an explosion big enough that it made the press and spread the rumour of an Israeli air-raid. That has to be a more-than-insignificant explosion. Hard to see how a MANPAD going KABOOM is anything other than.... insignificant.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 30 2019 23:03 utc | 36

A Lot of pretzel logic excuse making for why Syria continually gets bitch slapped by Israel.

Posted by: O | Jul 30 2019 23:03 utc | 37

@37 "A Lot of pretzel logic excuse making for why Syria continually gets bitch slapped by Israel."

This is "bitch slapping", is it?

I thought the point of those is that they were meant to hurt.

This looks more like a case of pathetic, limp-wristed girlie-taps from some bitch desperate to be noticed.

After all, the Syrians are busy dealing with real opponents, they have no time to be distracted by a bunch of fluffy-girls-blouses poncing around pretending to be tough.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 30 2019 23:11 utc | 38

@KC / 11: Thanks for your link! It sums the situation up quite well. Even though i doubt that those who still dream of Putin somehow fighting beside Iran against Israel will dare to read this.

To topic: Would be interesting to know all confirmed cases of Israel bombing Iran linked forces like PMU units. I can only recall the one where Israel bombed the big PMU base on the border.
Magnier wrote about it recently too, and talked about the hidden war of Israel not only in Syria, but also in Iran. But who can truly confirm the reports if not on the ground to see it with own eyes?

Only thing sure is, Israel has the doctrine to attack in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran, as they have declared themselves. And we know Israel at least once did it in Iraq.
So when this incidence B refers to is propaganda, is there a deeper motive beside usual FUD? Maybe a hint to the Iran backed militias?

Magnier also wrote that those Iran backed militias are not as tightly controlled by Iran as alleged.
They could even attack US forces without coordinating or communicating it beforehand with the IRGC. And that the US has for this posibility already warned Iran, that they will make Iran resposible and pay even if they did not trigger an attack themselves.

The pressure in Iraq is heating up. The militias prepare themselves like all Iran supported militias all over the middle east.
The US gets scared, and Israel will use that chance to push Iran into an attack, relying on having the US already dragged into the mess together with the US neocons.

So Israel bombing in Iraq like before on PMU is pretty realistic in the medium term at least, even though it seems not at the moment.
There will be a clash at some point i think we all agree. One side will have to get the upper hand in Iran, and neither Iran nor Israel/US can easily afford to loose.
It could start at any moment, or in years. Pretty damn scarry.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Jul 30 2019 23:14 utc | 39

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 30 2019 23:11 utc | 38

You obviously don't know what 'bitch slapping' means.

Israel has continually been allowed to commit incursions into Syrian sovereign territory (bitch slap) and the "world leaders" don't do jack.

"After all, the Syrians are busy dealing with real opponents..." Every one and their momma knows who created ISIS and support these head choppers(moderate rebels). Israel being one of the main ones giving them safe harbour and even treating them in their hospitals.

But clowns on this comment board are so obsessed with the notion that Russia is some "white knight" there to protect Syria or Iran for that matter.

Posted by: O | Jul 30 2019 23:22 utc | 40

NYMinutemanIII @ 10:

Keith McClary @ 32 forgot to mention the pre-Israeli state navy's early association with the Italian navy from the 1930s on, with the blessing of the then Italian leader Benito Mussolini.

Dan Tamir, "When Jews Praised Mussolini and Supported Nazis: Meet Israel's First Fascists" (Ha'aretz, 20 July 2019)

I can't see that the Zionist settler movement at the time was under pressure or being forced to accept Italian fascists assistance.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 30 2019 23:50 utc | 41

I am personally relieved Putin=Xi=Trump=Bibi, that means there is actually no risk of major (nuclear) war. Putin and Xi have been both shown to be highly capable statemen with firm grasps of history, economics and geopolitics. I don't think much of Trump and Bibi, but if they are all on the same team, then at least they have the ability to show some good judgement or at least be guided by those who have some intelligence.

Here I thought we might be on the verge of a brutal apocalypse.

Thanks O! Oh, what a relief your astute observation has provided me, lol!

Posted by: Jason | Jul 30 2019 23:52 utc | 42

@NYM3 10:

What a bloviating vermin this creature is. Here's a good example of the "most moral army in the world", which he lickspittles over, and for which he wears that brown lipstick so well.

http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israel-has-the-most-moral-army-in-the-world/

Hasbarist zionazi.

Posted by: Theophrastus | Jul 30 2019 23:57 utc | 43

xLemming, bevin and others... thanks for saying all that.. b tells us not to bother with the trolls- clearly @10 is just that..

Posted by: james | Jul 31 2019 0:02 utc | 44

@Yeah, Right | Jul 30 2019 22:57 utc | 34

Why waste expensive equipment against such pathetic efforts.

Because if your sponsors in the US pay for it, you can waste freely. Uncle Sam will pay gladly. He likely enjoys any damages wrought on these pesky Muslims.

The solution is to stop any payments to Israel. Then there won't be such a waste of expensive equipment.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Jul 31 2019 0:05 utc | 45

Posted by: Jason | Jul 30 2019 23:52 utc | 42

The threat of nuclear war is a cudgel to keep the masses of each respective superstate obedient to the aims of that superstate.

All out nuclear war would bring the whole house of cards crashing down economically and to say nothing of the actual natural resources rendered useless through fallout or no population to speak of to rule over.

As much as Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia are supposedly at war, they cooperate at much higher levels. Go learn about all the technology transfers that occurred between the US and Russia even at the height of the "Cold War" Or all the technology transfers to China in the 1980's. The world is like a wobbly 3 legged stool.

Posted by: O | Jul 31 2019 0:06 utc | 46

Yeah, Right @34

I disagree. Assuming Syria can detect IAF fighters as they "take off from base" and "fly out to sea" then they must be getting familiar with how the routine works. If Syria were ready to launch as soon the IAF released their weapons and brought down an IAF fighter and crew inside Lebanon, that might be the wake-up call the Israelis need and help make the wider world aware the situation. All this subject to issues mentioned in the SF article linked by O @21.

Jason @30

Seems unlikely an Israeli F-15 would fly nearly 300 km out into the Mediterranean toward the RAF base on the southwest coast Cyprus only to be brought down 80 km northwest of the base in the northeast part of Turkish Cyprus. The S-200 has semi-active radar guidance so the best move would be to hit the deck and head south.

Posted by: nobo | Jul 31 2019 0:13 utc | 47

Has the State Department rotated out the old trolls for some fresh talent? I guess we just have to wait to see if donkeynemesis and gzanon show up to the party.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 31 2019 0:18 utc | 48

nobo @47

Yes, perhaps, but an f-15 would have a hard time shaking an S-200, and turning south would greatly reduce the amount of airspace the S-200 missile would have to traverse before impacting the jet. There are situations, depending on the angle of attack, and when the f-15 noticed it was targeted, where trying to outrun the missile heading due east would be the best option.

Posted by: Jason | Jul 31 2019 0:19 utc | 49

WG@48

To be fair, I don't believe Nemesis is a troll, just a paleo-conservative expressing a different view...the others however...

Posted by: Hassaan | Jul 31 2019 0:22 utc | 50

@49 Jason
Sorry, I meant "due west". derp derp

Posted by: jason | Jul 31 2019 1:11 utc | 51

@ WG #48 about trolls

I agree with Hassan regarding Nemisis, the faith breather as are many others who come here.

the others however.....

Israel is a major player in WWIII and will be severely affected by the outcome of this war, assuming we don't go extinct because of poor losers on the global finance front

At the "end" of this war the nations will have a meeting. The decisions made there will change how global finance is operated and by and for whom. From this decision will come the "reconciliation process" that instantiates the global finance decisions.

All of WWIII is being fought for this one reason, who controls global finance going forward.

To those above that say that China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela are not focused on that one goal, I would say that you need to look around a bit more without the Western blinders on. Just because it is not 24/7 in Western MSM does not mean it is not the bottom line for the non-Western countries bringing the existence of fiat money and its associated debt overhang to a change point.

Specifically to the Russia/Iran relationship I would suggest readers to look back at the latest Open Thread where it was reported that Russia/Iran are going to do joint naval exercises in the next X months.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2019 1:29 utc | 52

Hey there, b: heads up on a dirty trick link that has been perpetrated on you.

at this page of your blog--https://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/06/cordesman-laments-confirms-russian-radically-different-views/comments/page/2/
--you provide a link (4th down) that originally led to a page showing an official US policy paper on "color revolutions". The site was originally "Middle East Briefings," or "mebriefings dot com."

Now, that page is a how-to-choose-and-use butt plugs, and the whole site has been turned into a rather explicit how-to sex site (oddly, with the original title header still in place).

Just thought you should know.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jul 31 2019 1:45 utc | 53

Original page here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140614040836/http://mebriefing.com/?p=789">http://mebriefing.com/?p=789">https://web.archive.org/web/20140614040836/http://mebriefing.com/?p=789

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jul 31 2019 1:50 utc | 54

Original source file is here:

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS:_The_Middle_East_Partnership_Initiative:_An_Overview,_July_20,_2005

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jul 31 2019 1:55 utc | 55

Within Occupied Palestine dwell many innocent people living an existence akin to the prey of the Spartans--the Helots. In a way, they act as living shields for the illegitimate occupiers. Eventually, they'll be liberated--yes, some will die in the process--and a peaceful equilibrium will return to the Levant. Israel will revert to a name within the Old Testament. The hydrocarbons that make the region coveted by Imperial powers will eventually be exhausted, and the region will revert to its means of existence practiced for centuries. If the Outlaw US Empire attacks Iran, those changes will begin immediately instead of within a decade or so. It's now becoming clear UAE and Saudis don't want to be part of those changes; but to ensure they don't become targets, all political entities in the region need to oust all Outlaw US Empire military installations from their territory--for example, Bahrain may be innocent, but it hosts the Empire and is thus a target.

As Alan Hart exhaustively shows through his three volume work, Zionism is the Enemy of the Jews and humanity as a whole; and like its kin Nazism, it must be eradicated. There's no room on this planet for an ism that touts one people superior to all others, and that goes for American Exceptionalism too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 31 2019 2:02 utc | 56

@ Pacifica Advocate who blew the formatting because of improperly formatted links

Maybe you have good intention but your execution leaves a lot to be desired

Please learn how to format a link as shown by b to the right of where you put your personal information

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2019 2:04 utc | 57

In case you haven't heard:

"Finally: Israel found one Arab who believes that the Apartheid Zionist state is a democracy. He is an ISIS terrorist.

"Captured Israeli-Arab ISIS fighter: Israel is a democratic state."

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 31 2019 2:10 utc | 58

@29 bevin

Very well said. Thanks for that slice of history and current reality.

~~

@56 karlof1

Very concisely put-together comment - thank you. It actually covers an enormous amount of ground, in some very clear-cut words.

Is it the world changing, or are people getting better at knowing what's real and what's right? Maybe it's because the forces that have the imperative towards that "right" also now, finally, have the power to go there, as you suggest?

~~

@all who are not trolls

Thanks also for your comments, they are greatly informative and encouraging to read.

The trolls are disgusting but since they have increased recently and so has the lucidity of your commentary, one wonders if there's a connection. What doesn't kill the conversation makes it stronger?

~~

The empire not only fails with every move but with each turn strengthens the force it opposes. We see this in every theater. Why not in comments threads, where they pile on the trolls and the light simply burns brighter?

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 31 2019 2:40 utc | 59

@48 hey gruff, thx for the shout-out. Lol. You should see my salary from the state dept. Ka-ching! And if I get my bachelor's (just have a two-year) I go up a few rungs and get to bring coffee to people like Heather Nu-tard. It's Fan-tastic! You don't even know, dude!

On a side note, thx for acknowledging my troll skillz. I think Donkey is a fine poster/writer who deserves a voice, even though I disagree with them more often than not. Keep on gatekeeping, brah! The commentariat need your guiding hand.

/troll

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 31 2019 3:26 utc | 60

@40 I know the meaning of the phrase far better than you, apparently.

A "bitch slap" is a hard, viscous blow intended to put the "bitch" in her place.

It has to hurt - and hard - otherwise it is no more than a "love tap".

These raids by Israel don't even rise to the level of the latter. Certainly nothing that can even remotely be described as the former.

Yet describe them as such you did. Good for you.

May I suggest a better phrase: "being attacked with a feather"

Because the notion that Netanyahu is "bitch slapping" Assad is, well, it's delusional.

And delusional in that oh-so-Zionist way.

Good. For. You.

I'm sure it makes you feel oh-so-manly when the powder-puffs of the IDF ponce around pretending that they are still capable of fighting their way out of a paper bag.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 31 2019 3:58 utc | 61

@47 Oh, for crying out loud.

That Syrian-manned S-300 missiles can target Israeli F-15 jets as they take off (hint: they can) does NOT mean that It Is A Good Idea for Bashir Assad to order that shoot down to take place.

No, not yet. It would be a reckless escalation for him to do so.

If there was an all-out war between the two then, yes, that order would make sense.

But there is no all-out war between Syria and Israel, or haven't you noticed?

The Syrians will only shoot if/when they are under attack, and THESE attacks are so pathetic and ineffectual that it makes no sense for the Syrians to do more than fend off the missiles as they are streaking in.

Assad knows that these "raids" are nothing more than ego-trips by an increasingly irrelevant Israel.

Annoying, yes.
Important, no.

If an IDF jet jumped up and shouted "Here I am! Shoot at me!" then I'm certain the Syrians would take aim and fire.

But short of that these attacks are worth about as much retaliatory effort as a buzzing mosquito would: a wave of the hand, and nothing more.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 31 2019 4:16 utc | 62

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 31 2019 3:58 utc | 61

So you will not feel disrespected in I walked in your house uninvited kill some of your kids and family members and the supposed cops do nothing and in fact watch me do it? What if I didn't even kill anyone just walked in and trashed your place while the cops watched? You just going to sit there and just take it like a bitch?

That is what is happening in Syria.

"I'm sure it makes you feel oh-so-manly when the powder-puffs of the IDF ponce around pretending that they are still capable of fighting their way out of a paper bag." WTF I don't know if you are projecting or just an unhinged clown who needs to feel they are right all the time?

Posted by: O | Jul 31 2019 4:41 utc | 63

@ O who seemed to have missed my comment at #52

Your comparison of lives lost is out of context with WWIII being waged.

How many millions has empire killed to keep hegemony, so far?

Keep clutching those pearls.......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2019 4:55 utc | 64

This will not make it into the top ten of MOA threads. That is for sure

Posted by: dltravers | Jul 31 2019 4:56 utc | 65

In keeping with dltravers' likely correct comment that this thread likely won't make the top 10 MOA threads, I would like to ask Yeah, Right whether he/she thinks that a viscous [sic] slap to the face would be more or less painful than a vicious one.

Posted by: KC | Jul 31 2019 5:07 utc | 66

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2019 4:55 utc | 64
@ O who seemed to have missed my comment at #52

1. How am I supposed to know what ever rambling you put out is addressed to me unless you directly call me out?

2 As for the rest of your rambling at 64 I have no clue what exactly are you are talking about."Keep clutching those pearls......" WTF pearl clutching am I doing? Sober up and come back at me when you are coherent.

Posted by: O | Jul 31 2019 5:11 utc | 67

I thought that the Russians still had a leash on S300 in Syria?
(or am I late to the party?)

Posted by: ziogolem | Jul 31 2019 6:11 utc | 68

KC @ 66: It would surely be painful to the giant slug being used to slap the face, however much slime the impact manages to generate.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 31 2019 6:27 utc | 69

Here's a public service reminder that when you address a troll directly, this is like giving a ticket to dance to that troll. Engaging with trolls keeps them coming back. It gives them acknowledgement.

You can still address whatever lies they tried to spread. But don't talk to them. Much better to talk about them. Then they have no invitation to respond, without outing themselves, as we've seen several times.

~~

If Israel has real force in the region why does it have to lie about 2 of 3 incidents?

The answer seems pretty clear from the real commenters here who are not trolls, that Syria, and Iraq and Iran, are holding vastly more cards in this game than are worth playing for the current stakes. Israel has lost. She cannot win against Syria or Iraq or Iran, ever again, and she will never rise again to any of her former strengths.

All she has left are these rotten trolls, with their foul tempers born of impotence and their disgusting manners. And they'll be gone soon enough.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 31 2019 6:59 utc | 70

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 31 2019 6:59 utc | 70
Ahmen to that!

It would seem a nuclear Israel; rather than ruling "their" corner of the ME, is left impotent.
How wonderfully ironic when all is said and done...

Posted by: V | Jul 31 2019 8:12 utc | 71

@66 It is one of life's certainties that when I type comments from my phone that I will have my words altered by the android auto-erect function


Indeed, I suspect that it will rear its ugly head even in this post....

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 31 2019 8:38 utc | 72

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 31 2019 6:59 utc | 70

It's correct that Israel is on the decline, and that they have to lie more and more to hide the problem. Though I don't think Israel will be finished any time soon.

The problem goes back to 1948, when Israel chose a permanent war policy, rather than make peace with the Arabs. What the historian Avi Shlaim refers to as Jabotinsky's Iron Wall policy. In effect, they chose the same policy as the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem, and indeed Israeli history and Crusader history continue to be remarkably parallel. Notwithstanding the intense efforts made by Israel to avoid this parallelism, by importing as many Jews as they could, the similarity marches onward. Understandably Western Jews don't want to live in a permanent war-zone, they want a peaceful life, as they would get in the US or Europe. They didn't mind fighting for a while, to establish the state, but not for ever. It's why the Israeli army is no good for a real fight any more. The reservists don't want to have to do again what they did in 50s to 70s. It was very remarkable in 2014 that the Israeli army was brought to a complete halt by the virtually unarmed Gazans after just two days, and the airforce had to go back to its uncontested slaughter of civilians. Let alone the events of 2006, where the threat of bombardment of Israeli cities had Israelis running for the foreign embassies to renew their second passports. The 2006 parallel, but further, is what you'll get if Israel and the US are stupid enough to attack Iran.

I just repeat this stuff, which is not unknown, because there needs to be a little realism in our discussions. Israel is really in quite a weak position, and Netanyahu doesn't have a way out.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 31 2019 8:55 utc | 73

Oy-vey! Again with the inappropriate similes.

Still, I'm sure it's ever so much fun, so let me try.
After all, it is my turn.....

You flounce into my house while wearing a tutu and holding a feather duster.

You do a little pirouette and then strike me - limp-wristed - about the head with that feather duster.

For your finale you tip a vase off a table, sending it crashing to the floor. A nice vase, mind you, but... still... it's a vase.

Now, do I grab a shotgun and chase you down the street with murderous intent to separate your neatly-coiffured head from your thin, sloping shoulders?

Or do I shrug, and mutter "Man, what a dimwit" as you skip your merry way down the street?

I don't know about you, but I'd pick the latter.
After all, you are nothing but an annoying little twat.

And, there you have it: a simile for what Israel is doing in Syria i.e. it is being an annoying little s**t.

It certainly isn't "trashing the place".

Assad is still dealing with plenty of crazies who have trashed his place and have been - and still are - killing his kin in large numbers.


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 31 2019 9:44 utc | 74

Sorry, obviously my previous post is addressed to @63, the annoying little twat.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 31 2019 9:46 utc | 75

ha ha good laugh from all on the 'viscous' clanger. It was a good note to close this chapter on.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 31 2019 9:48 utc | 76

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 31 2019 8:55 utc | 75

It's correct that Israel is on the decline, and that they have to lie more and more to hide the problem.

They have a booming first world economy. That is not my definition of "decline".
People in that type of economy do not wish to die in senseless wars. They have a problem with integrating into the neighbourhood, which could be solved if there was the political will. Problem is that too many people profit from these conflicts so conflict has become part of the ecosystem.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 31 2019 10:12 utc | 77

Posted by: somebody | Jul 31 2019 10:12 utc | 79

"They have a booming first world economy," which will vanish tomorrow, if Iran is forced into war. Everybody running that economy will fly for the US the moment Iranian missiles start hitting Tel Aviv. It's all extremely fragile and temporary, a common feature of successful economies in the ME which depend on one unique factor to succeed. Actually Netanyahu is not particularly keen on uncontrollable wars, so unlikely to launch a war on Iran. But if he succeeds in getting the US to do the job for him, it'll have the same effect. That's why I don't think Iran will be attacked at all. They don't dare. But Israel is still being slowly hollowed out from the inside, and the remaining Israeli population becoming more extremist.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 31 2019 11:00 utc | 78

somebody @79 said: "They have a booming first world economy."

An economy that is 100% dependent upon subsidies from the United States and revenue from the portion of America's MIC that has been relocated there. Israel is nothing more than an unusually large US military base, and of course large amounts of resources are involved in keeping the empire's military bases afloat.

For those who are capable (perhaps with the aid of modern pharmaceuticals) of deluding themselves into believing the empire's reign will last a thousand years, Israel's role as top beta dog for the empire might seem quite the secure place to be. Evidence, however, suggests that all is not well in the PNAC empire. The best efforts to re-industrialize the imperial heartlands are failing utterly. Further, if we assume that jackrabbit's thesis that the establishment intended for Trump to win the 2016 US elections, then the empire's elites are deliberately burning through immense amounts of the social capital that gives their Democracy Show™ credibility with the empire's population. This is not sustainable even in the short term. On top of that, the ability of the empire to run its fiat currency printing presses to salvage itself from financial crises looks to have been exhausted in 2008... it seems unlikely that the rest of the would can, much less wants to, buy up all of those fiat dollars to save Goldman-Sachs again.

Basically, Israel is entirely dependent upon the empire for its existence, while the empire's internal and external contradictions are growing to dominate over that empire's efforts at survival. Israel has no future.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 31 2019 11:21 utc | 79

Somebody @ 79:

Pray tell us what Israel's economy is "booming" in - violence and genocide against Palestinians, does that rake in the revenues?

If the economy is booming in hi-tech hardware and software manufactures and its applications, including cybersecurity applications, as I suspect you mean, aren't those all dependent on US specifications? If Israel did not have the US as its major client, would those industries still survive with other clients - if there are any? Aren't these also water-hungry industries?

Also for a long time, nearly 20 years at least, social statistics have been telling a different story: nearly half of all Israeli Jewish children live in poverty and a third of families live in poverty.

A particularly acute problem is that the ultra-Orthodox Jews expect not to have to undergo the compulsory military draft if they are between 18 and 60 years of age, believing their prayers alone are sufficient enough spiritual defence of the country. Naturally enough secular Jews who pay the taxes that help support their haredim brothers and sisters don't see the issue the same way. This is the issue that Netanyahu's party and other expected coalition parties couldn't agree on after the April 2019 general elections and which forces the country to go again to the polls in October this year.

There has been information too that several key industries in Israel such as the banking and financial industries and the media industry have extremely high levels of owner concentration, and that over half the national wealth of the country is owned by or under the control of a small number of wealthy individuals and families - probably no more than 20 such in all.

Not exactly Judaea Felix.

Posted by: jen | Jul 31 2019 11:59 utc | 80

No surprise on fake news being spread to boost the Apartheid regime military power, they are clearly trying hard to bring back the 60-70's IDF PR machine, in Brazil, about 2 weeks ago, a youtube channel with over 1 million subscriber that talks about military/geopolitical subjects aired a video with the supposed news Israel flew F35s may times over IRAN and was not detected, of course zero evidence of that, another attempt to boost Israel moral, but unfortunately for the blind 1 million followers, it gives the impression all is real and Israel can do the impossible. The Iraq events were fake since day one, but agains the majority of the global media, MSM or even many alternative media, just forward the news without even a critical analysis, thanks Gob fo MoA and other sites that do not fall into this mistake.
Well done b.

Posted by: Canthama | Jul 31 2019 12:01 utc | 81

The keystone to Israel’s disproportionate power to size ratio, is it’s vice like grip on the media, both main stream and internet,
This is how Israel manufactures right-wing voters pro war and racist. Feeding the highly profitable arms industry, transferring tax payer money to bank and amoral shareholders personal wealth. To the detriment of our infustrcture and usefull manufacture business.
The pro Israel media decide who our political party’s will win elections and who won’t (example U.K. )
Deal with who runs the pro-Israel misinfomation media and the worlds conflict will go away.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 31 2019 12:12 utc | 82

Hassaan@50:

During the George HW administration, if I remember correctly, he referred to the neoconservatives as "the crazies in the basement"...so neoconservative or paleo-conservative still falls under the PNAC umbrella.

Posted by: jerichocheyenne | Jul 31 2019 12:47 utc | 83

A few thoughts.

The first does appear to be obvious. There can never be a serious and truthful discussion about Israel. The moment its name is mentioned opens the gates to the army of degenerates that have the order to disrupt any meaningful conversation about the murderous regime in Israel.

The second goes hand in hand with the first. My soon to be father in law that never was, because my sweetheart passed before that, kept reiterating that:

The Truth will set You free.

It does that most amazingly, because the lie - and especially the big lie, as told by those calling themselves Israelis - cannot sustain itself. Only the truth can do that. One does not have to push lie after lie, after lie to cover the previous ones.

The Truth is also incorruptible. It may be shitted on by the liars, twisted by corrupt politicians, but it will never not be the Truth - no matter how many times wikipedia is attempting to bend it. Or all those pathetic propaganda outlets the world over.

It makes sense to therefore let what is called Trolls run into their own knives. Because that is the inevitable outcome for stooges and snitches. Like mentioned before, it must be seen as a badge of exceptional veracity to be in the cross hair of these armies of degenerates. And degenerated they are, since no decent human being would resort to this pathetic behavior.

You are what you do and that's all there is to it.

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Jul 31 2019 12:56 utc | 84

@79 "They have a booming first world economy."

We had a recent demonstration of Israel's "booming" economy when the Israelis crowed so long and so hard about the successful test of the Arrow 3 missile system not three days ago.

The test was conducted in Alaska, of course, because Israel doesn't actually possess the infrastructure to test this system in Israel.

Part of the reason that the test had to be held in Alaska was because the radar used to guide the missile was an American AN/TPY2 radar since, du'oh, the Israelis don't have a suitable radar system and - apparently - have yet to steal the schematics.

What parts to the "Arrow 3 system" that are claimed to be "Israeli" turn out to be made by Boeing, with funding ($300million to the end of 2018, and another $500million in 2019) coming from... well, I'll let you guess but a hint is "it's not Israel".

So basically this is a weapon system built by the USA using American dollars that the US military doesn't intend to use.

A boondoggle, in a word.

And it is a boondoggle gifted to a "booming first world economy" that would neither be "booming" nor "first world" if it wasn't for the indulgence of Uncle Sugar Daddy.


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 31 2019 13:19 utc | 85

Laguerre reminds us of something very important when he points out that Israel is in a very weak position.
This position grows weaker with every move made by its fascist government to strengthen it. Its ultra violent policies are unsustainable and designed to create martyrs. It seems significant that Erdogan has begun to ramp up the anti-zionist rhetoric.
This article by Peter Beinart, a leading US zionist, indicates the increasing isolation of Israel on the sense that it has become, unequivocally, a rallying point for racists, fascists and reactionaries of every kind, (including anti-semites), and its flag an alternative to the St Andrews' cross battle flag of the confederacy. With that sort of support enemies are unnecessary.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52009.htm

Posted by: bevin | Jul 31 2019 13:29 utc | 86

Bevin @29

Thank you for this response to the Hasbara troll @10.

I would only add to your accurate assessment the following:

That there is *no* way in which the Palestinians - who have *every right* to resist, fight their dispossession, their removal, their oppression in whatever manner they see fit (and this is legally their right) can fight against Israel on equal terms. The Palestinians have only home made rockets (a bit like overgrown fireworks, which can once in a very long while kill or maim someone, destroy a single dwelling) at their disposal. Meanwhile the Israelis have a US equipped airforce, army and navy - lots of real ordinance at their disposal which they are only too keen to drop on, send to the imprisoned Palestinians of Gaza. Huge bulldozers, lots of troops with much automatic weaponry and no ethics or morals, destroy homes, small farms and Palestinian people's lives in the West Bank.

Despite the Palestinians being no military threat to Israelis (absolutely the other way round), it is *always* the latter who posit themselves and are so portrayed by the MSM as *the victims* the ones needing "to defend themselves" against the Palestinian Goliath ever present in the wings should Israel let its guard down....

An additional point: this morning on that state funded, state controlled medium the BBC World Service I heard that Israel (for the first time - even the BBC presenter said it was a "rare event") has agreed to permit the construction of 700 homes in the West Bank for Palestinians *and* 6,000 for Israeli settlers. The presenter also remarked that the 700 homes might *actually* refer to already existing homes that were, as far as Israel is concerned, heretofore "illegal." Presumably though the 6K homes for really illegal Israeli settlers will all be brand new...and displace yet more rightful Palestinian residents.

Another off topic (sort of) point. Also on the same state-funded medium was a brief report about Primo Levi (all of whose books I read back when they appeared). It concerned the facts surrounding his death: suicide or accident? Anyway, the presenter raised an issue that was, apparently very significant to Levi: German Historians had begun to write revisionist histories of the 1930s-1940s. Not that they were denying the deliberate attempts to eradicate, in one way or another, Jews from Europe. No. Levi's concerns were it seems that these historians were historically and contemporaneously contextualizing the slaughter of Jews: i.e. that both throughout history and during the Nazi reign, many peoples have been and were being targeted for eradication/extermination one way or another. For Levi, who himself experienced the horrors of a concentration camp, the fact that the Nazis targeted the Roma, the Slavs and (earlier) German mentally and physically handicapped meant absolutely nothing by comparison with Nazi efforts to eradicate Jews. Nor could, e.g. the Armenian genocide, compare either (presumably) ideologically, intentionally, or in the "specialness" of that which was intended for and done to Jews.

This, it seems to me, is also very much the view of the Zionists and has been wielded very well ever since the 1960s: that never mind how many other peoples the Nazis targeted for elimination (very much so the Slavs - for that Lebensraum *and* because they were also considered "untermenschen") - we shan't mention those ever (and indeed any mention/depiction of the Holocaust for the past 20-30 years has obliterated all but the Jewish victims ensuring that in western memory there is only the one group that were victimized). Thus the west out of a mixture of guilt for what they did/didn't do to/for European Jewry, their own profound Orientalism and their "use" for a western, European rooted entity in the ME allows Israel to act with an impunity which, were any other nation state to even come close to perpetrating would have them bombed (humanely), invaded, before the ICJ...

Posted by: AnneR | Jul 31 2019 13:33 utc | 87

Posted by: jen | Jul 31 2019 11:59 utc | 82

You have to look at what people do, not at the ideological talk. I will believe that Israel has a serious problem when Russian Israelis return to Russia in relevant numbers.
I am not sure US subsidies surpass Russian investment. Netanyahu certainly hedges Israel's alliances.
There are all kind of logical problems in Israeli national identity but national identity is fragile in most countries - certainly since globalization, from Brexit UK to India's Modi and Trump racism.
With the same way of listing problems I can prove to you that any country is heading for desaster.
Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas have achieved a threat level that makes them safe from full out attack, the same applies to Israel though. No rational actor will play the conflict lose-lose.


Posted by: somebody | Jul 31 2019 14:07 utc | 88

@57, Psychohistorian:

I've been reading & commenting on this blog for a LOT longer than you have.

Copy-paste is your friend.

Perhaps you're just too young to have learned that trick, or perhaps you're so old that you think everyone posts from a desktop computer, still.

I was on my phone; it took me several minutes to type out the words I'd've typically slapped out in a few seconds. Yes, I simply copy-pasted the address--knowing full well that anyone interested (and there likely aren't many) could do just the same.

Now please: set aside your self-righteous grammar-mongering and get back to the politick philosophizing you do so well.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jul 31 2019 15:03 utc | 89

Just off the cuff, I think there may be something even more cynical at work here than what b suspects--

Perhaps some American airline manufacturer, a contractor for the US military, requested that Israel work up some fake attack reports because...extra gi'me on the side? You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours?

How difficult would it be for a Mossad or IDF officer--someone also interested in the continued sale of F-35s to Israel--might plant stories about fake F-35 success stories solely to tout the product, & persuade people both within the US & within Israel that continued mfg & purchases were in both groups' best interest?

Does anyone here know about Taiwan's Lafayette scandal, back in the early-mid '90s?

It consisted of a sale of French naval ships to Taiwan that got derailed because people VERY high in the government (initials LDH) were skimming multi-tens-of-millions of US dollars off of the exchange.

Lots of high officials were fired, careers ruined, and a general or two thrown into prison--not because they were the planners, mind you.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jul 31 2019 15:09 utc | 90

@laguerre.. thanks for your comments and insights.. i think your appraisal is fairly accurate.. i am curious about what i have heard about the growing numbers of orthodox in israel and how that is also pushing israel into a more extremist position...

thanks also grieved, william gruff, and bevin in particular and the many fine posters unnamed that are able to articulate what i feel..

Posted by: james | Jul 31 2019 15:43 utc | 91

@10
Let me tell you about the Zionist Entity, that tapeworm up Fahrenheit Land's ass. Basically, normal Jews living there are leaving in droves to the point that any candidate immigrant with remote Jewish ancestry is accepted as Jewish. Now, what about the Orthodox Jews living on welfare who alternately breed at night and sit on their tokuses all day studying Torah and Talmud with their wives having shaven heads and wearing ugly wigs (it makes the hijab seem revolutionary) instead of doing military service and getting a job like normal Jews do? And what about the FL and other Diaspora Jews who are coerced into buying Zio-Bonds that can never be redeemed as that would be disloyal? So, with the support from the Diaspora and FL Congress, the Zionist entity manages to stay afloat.

Actually, the most interesting part is the poor Palestinians, who are descendents of Jews that became Christian and then mostly Muslim. This is why the "other" Arabs hate the Palestinians and won't integrate them. So the comflict in the Zionist Entity is actually a war between Make-Believe Khazar Jews and ex-Jews, a civil war in fact.

Posted by: Albertde | Jul 31 2019 15:45 utc | 92

Posted by: somebody | Jul 31 2019 14:07 utc | 90

With the same way of listing problems I can prove to you that any country is heading for desaster.
Nah, that is silly. Israel is an alien colony in the Middle East, one which has refused to make peace with its neighbours, and integrate. It survives, deliberately and knowingly, by its military actions. Well, you know, military domination always goes wrong sooner or later. Now it is going wrong because Israeli civilians/reservists no longer want to fight, and only the airforce is able to keep up the image of being undefeatable (which no doubt explains the continued propaganda about its prowess discussed in b's piece.

European states are not at risk like that, nor the US, nor most world states. All of that is well known. It doesn't become untrue just because Israel claims to be secret buddies with the masters of the autocratic Gulf States (secret in the sense of unable to be published, because those masters would be murdered in their beds if it were).

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 31 2019 16:04 utc | 93

Posted by: somebody | Jul 31 2019 14:07 utc | 90

I will believe that Israel has a serious problem when Russian Israelis return to Russia in relevant numbers.
Russian mafias don't fight wars. If they're faced with that, they'll get out, rather than serve in the IDF. That's pretty much the point I started off with @75. And jen brought up the haredim, another valid issue. The number of Israelis who are ready to go out and fight and die for Israel is shrinking by the day.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 31 2019 16:27 utc | 94

"The number of Israelis who are ready to go out and fight and die for Israel is shrinking by the day.'

As is the number of non Israeli Jews in Europe and north America who would volunteer to defend Israel. This is because Israel is making itself morally and politically indefensible.
An example of this is in the UK where neo-fascist Israelis based on the Embassy are busy informing Jews that they cannot support Corbyn's mild socialist reforms without aligning themselves with Israel's enemies.
In the short run this might panic a few idiots into voting against Corbyn but in real terms it simply makes Jews and others inclined to sympathy with Israel look more closely at the "Jewish state". And on any examination the noisome rot within the anti-Palestine becomes quickly apparent; while the obvious injustice of the treatment meted out to Palestinians is seen to be undeniable.
In 2019 it is impossible for a sentient human being to be both a supporter of Israel and a partisan of social justice, equality before the law, democracy and human rights.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 31 2019 16:55 utc | 95

Can someone tell me what has happened to the SouthFront website these days? It used to be a good place to get the latest news on what is going on in the Middle East, but all of a sudden it seems to be nothing but garbage! That is just my opinion - do others see this, and have any idea what is going on? I sometimes wonder if I am getting shunted onto a fake website instead of the real one.

Posted by: BM | Jul 31 2019 16:56 utc | 96

The Russia/Iran Pact rumored over the past several days is discussed at the link. It's not earthshaking as it's just a MOA as this TASS item announces, along with the planned joint naval exercise "expected to be held shortly in the Indian Ocean. The exercise may also be held in the northern part of the Indian Ocean, including in the Strait of Hormuz."

Key to the entire MOA is Russia's proposal for a collective security arrangement for the Persian Gulf region I reported about last week but had nothing to show. That's changed as an English version of the proposal is now available. As per Russia's usual routine, the UN Charter and International Law is paramount as is this added point:

"Peace-making operations can only be conducted on the basis of relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council or upon request of the legitimate authorities of the attacked state. Double standards are unacceptable here." [My Emphasis]

The audience is clearly the Outlaw US Empire, which based on its Outlawry will immediately reject the proposal. Of course, what Russia proposes will be seen as positive by most stakeholders, although the following desire might not be welcomed:

"We all aim for a democratic and prosperous Middle East that would encourage inter-faith peace and coexistence." [My Emphasis]

The linked item up top is worth reading in full as there's quite a bit more than what I've chosen to highlight.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 31 2019 17:08 utc | 97

BM @98--

IMO, it's all about money to operate. Content and overall coverage have markedly declined as more pop-up ads have appeared. I don't visit daily as I once did, and I'm surly not alone.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 31 2019 17:15 utc | 98

@Jen 82

Those statistics are quite accurate. In fact, the rash of demonstrations last year and this year were mainly about poor economy and poor living conditions, not praising Bibi about the job he is doing with respect to the Palestinians.

And what is tragically sad is the sub-section of the populace that is in more dire straits than anyone else and they are the survivors of the so-called holocaust. All the money that is being extorted in their name and not a single shekel finds its way to their lives.

Posted by: Uncle Jon | Jul 31 2019 17:17 utc | 99

Please learn how to format a link as shown by b to the right of where you put your personal information

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2019 2:04 utc | 57


That is not that simple.
I already posted about that week ago.

She posted correct HTML link, but MoA blog has the bug ("greedy parser"), that breaks the correct HTML links to Web Archive and similar sites into what you can see above.

To pussypaw around that bug - one needs to remove the "protocol" part of the target (pre-Archive) site from the link - all the characters from "ht" up to and including "//" in THE MIDDLE of web-archive link.

However this instruction is NOT quoted here in B's help tip how to use his forum.
So people will keep getting trapped on this petard time and again.

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 31 2019 17:22 utc | 100

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