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July 05, 2019

Mueller Report Claims Much Proves Little - Aaron Maté

An excerpt from a long piece by Aaron Maté who points at the huge holes in the Mueller Report about alleged Russian influence on the 2016 presidential election.

CrowdStrikeOut: Mueller’s Own Report Undercuts Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims

At a May press conference capping his tenure as special counsel, Robert Mueller emphasized what he called "the central allegation" of the two-year Russia probe. The Russian government, Mueller sternly declared, engaged in "multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election, and that allegation deserves the attention of every American." Mueller's comments echoed a January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) asserting with "high confidence" that Russia conducted a sweeping 2016 election influence campaign. "I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process," then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told a Senate hearing.

While the 448-page Mueller report found no conspiracy between Donald Trump's campaign and Russia, it offered voluminous details to support the sweeping conclusion that the Kremlin worked to secure Trump's victory. The report claims that the interference operation occurred "principally" on two fronts: Russian military intelligence officers hacked and leaked embarrassing Democratic Party documents, and a government-linked troll farm orchestrated a sophisticated and far-reaching social media campaign that denigrated Hillary Clinton and promoted Trump.

But a close examination of the report shows that none of those headline assertions are supported by the report’s evidence or other publicly available sources. They are further undercut by investigative shortcomings and the conflicts of interest of key players involved: 

  • The report uses qualified and vague language to describe key events, indicating that Mueller and his investigators do not actually know for certain whether Russian intelligence officers stole Democratic Party emails, or how those emails were transferred to WikiLeaks.
  • The report's timeline of events appears to defy logic. According to its narrative, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange announced the publication of Democratic Party emails not only before he received the documents but before he even communicated with the source that provided them.
  • There is strong reason to doubt Mueller’s suggestion that an alleged Russian cutout called Guccifer 2.0 supplied the stolen emails to Assange.
  • Mueller’s decision not to interview Assange – a central figure who claims Russia was not behind the hack – suggests an unwillingness to explore avenues of evidence on fundamental questions.
  • U.S. intelligence officials cannot make definitive conclusions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee computer servers because they did not analyze those servers themselves. Instead, they relied on the forensics of CrowdStrike, a private contractor for the DNC that was not a neutral party, much as “Russian dossier” compiler Christopher Steele, also a DNC contractor, was not a neutral party. This puts two Democrat-hired contractors squarely behind underlying allegations in the affair – a key circumstance that Mueller ignores.
  • Further, the government allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party's legal counsel to submit redacted records, meaning CrowdStrike and not the government decided what could be revealed or not regarding evidence of hacking.
  • Mueller’s report conspicuously does not allege that the Russian government carried out the social media campaign. Instead it blames, as Mueller said in his closing remarks, "a private Russian entity" known as the Internet Research Agency (IRA).
  • Mueller also falls far short of proving that the Russian social campaign was sophisticated, or even more than minimally related to the 2016 election. As with the collusion and Russian hacking allegations, Democratic officials had a central and overlooked hand in generating the alarm about Russian social media activity.
  • John Brennan, then director of the CIA, played a seminal and overlooked role in all facets of what became Mueller’s investigation: the suspicions that triggered the initial collusion probe; the allegations of Russian interference; and the intelligence assessment that purported to validate the interference allegations that Brennan himself helped generate. Yet Brennan has since revealed himself to be, like CrowdStrike and Steele, hardly a neutral party -- in fact a partisan with a deep animus toward Trump.

None of this means that the Mueller report's core finding of "sweeping and systematic" Russian government election interference is necessarily false. But his report does not present sufficient evidence to substantiate it. This shortcoming has gone overlooked in the partisan battle over two more highly charged aspects of Mueller's report: potential Trump-Russia collusion and Trump's potential obstruction of the resulting investigation. As Mueller prepares to testify before House committees later this month, the questions surrounding his claims of a far-reaching Russian influence campaign are no less important. They raise doubts about the genesis and perpetuation of Russiagate and the performance of those tasked with investigating it.
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The full Maté piece, which in details lays out each of the above points, is available at Real Clear Investigations.

Posted by b on July 5, 2019 at 04:29 PM | Permalink

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If we really want to know who is interfering in the world's elections and political theatre, particularly in Russia, we need look no further than this:

https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-national-endowment-for-democracy.html

American-style bought-and-paid-for democracy is not what the world needs.

Posted by: Sally Snyder | Jul 5, 2019 4:52:08 PM | 1

Aaron Mate is doing great work exposing RussiaGate as outlined. He has also done some great interviews with Jimmy Dore , which are well worth watching. Also worthwhile following @aaronjmate

Mueller Report Drops! Aaron Maté Explains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS0AlApiWLs&t=11s

RussiaGate Skeptics Do Victory Lap w/Aaron Maté
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP6oG2mpWlY&t=27s

"Collusion" Author Can’t Say Where Collusion Is!w/ Aaron Maté
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJDo0OSAg9s

Posted by: Stever | Jul 5, 2019 4:56:58 PM | 2


Aaron interviews has father:

“America in Denial: Gabor Mate on the Psychology of Russiagate.”

“Physician, mental health expert, and best-selling author Dr. Gabor Maté sits down with The Grayzone’s Aaron Maté to analyze how Russiagate was able to take hold of U.S. society following Donald Trump’s election.”

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/07/gabor-mate-russiagate-interview-transcript/

Posted by: Stever | Jul 5, 2019 5:08:10 PM | 3

thanks b... kudos to aaron mate for the work he's doing.. all the points he and you articulate are important.. the whole mueller investigation continues to look like a set up to frame russia, with a lot of partisanship thrown in...perfect for version 2 cold war.. the media has played the role of propagandist and most americans are so busy being divided along party lines, they can't see straight, let alone see how they are being played...

Posted by: james | Jul 5, 2019 5:19:07 PM | 4

Why does everyone keep mentioning The Goddam server.

Its one item. America monitors everything. Ask for the logs from the ISP.

Posted by: TFS | Jul 5, 2019 5:20:44 PM | 5

As I commented when I linked to Mate's report on open thread, Mueller's Report is clearly a cover-up job similar to the Warren Report in more than a few ways--the "magical" Assange timeline mimics the magic bullet and the very many illegalities revealed go ignored and uninvestigated. Mate's investigation also begs a huge question: Where are the other exhaustive investigations of Mueller's report by MSM? A couple of people with a shoestring budget outwork media outlets with far more resources? Seems like enough evidence to assert MSM doesn't want to get at the truth of the matter so it remains covered up.

And what about Trump's obstruction of any investigation into Hillary Clinton and DNC election illegalities that are all public knowledge? Somebody needs to get some swamp mud and anoint Trump so that he becomes officially inducted.

And it what way ought this become an election issue? Gabbard just introduced Securing America’s Elections Act in which setting the record straight about the Mueller report ought to figure.

Law & Order was once a major plank in Conservative platforms. IMO, the Outlaw US Empire requires a massive dose of Law & Order to evict the forever lawbreaking neoliberal and neocon sadists from government and other major institutions--banks, other corporations and universities come to mind.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 5, 2019 5:31:08 PM | 6

TFS @5--

That's one of the major points dealing with the utter lack of real investigation--neither Mueller or the FBI earlier tried to get unadulterated source evidence, relying on D-Party affiliated cutouts instead. Doesn't it seem odd to you or anyone else that Trump's aiding the D-Party cover up, as well as Senate Republicans? I'm I the only one sensing the Current Oligarchy wants to ensure the true story is never revealed or the numerous law breakers prosecuted?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 5, 2019 5:39:24 PM | 7

karlof1:
"I'm I the only one sensing the Current Oligarchy wants to ensure the true story is never revealed or the numerous law breakers prosecuted?

No, you're not! But the routine long ago was perfected.

Posted by: Evelyn | Jul 5, 2019 5:43:45 PM | 8

The real problems with the regime, are in the areas obstruction of justice, and violations of the emoluments clause of the Constitution.

The "Russian thing" is BS, but, it provides distraction, so Pelosi and her minions can continue to aid her donors, instead of pursuing the real "High crimes & Misdemeanors" of our current regime.

Televised "impeachment" hearings are not wanted by Pelosi, because, in the end, she loves and supports the regime, because it aids her class, the 1%ers.

PS, I almost forgot, violations of the Hatch Act..

Posted by: ben | Jul 5, 2019 5:45:07 PM | 9

Case in point;

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-hatch-act-3368321

Posted by: ben | Jul 5, 2019 5:47:46 PM | 10

Aaron Maté quotes Coleen Rowley as saying:

"I would guess, however, that even though NSA may be able to track some hacking operations, it would be inherently difficult, if not impossible, to connect specific individuals to the computer transfer operations in question."

I thought that since the NSA "captures everything" that the absence of any corroboration from them in the report indicates an absence of evidence.

Later in the piece Aaron writes that: "There has been no public confirmation that intelligence acquired by the NSA was used in the Mueller probe."

I'm confused

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Jul 5, 2019 5:50:12 PM | 11

karlof1 says:

I'm I the only one sensing the Current Oligarchy wants to ensure the true story is never revealed or the numerous law breakers prosecuted

no, you're not. and as such, i'd wager that there's no way in hell that ms. Gabbard is going to bring it up.

Posted by: john | Jul 5, 2019 5:51:17 PM | 12

"The New York Times reported on June 12 that Attorney General William Barr is "interested in how the C.I.A. drew its conclusions about Russia’s election sabotage, particularly the judgment that Mr. Putin ordered that operatives help Mr. Trump."

Michael Moore, no Trump fan-boy, is a victim of IRA trolls too. Hmm. Further, Mueller never gave IRA their day in court. At best the Report is a catalog of unsubstantiated allegations and innuendos. State actors? Not a whiff

If the hack's a leak (and it almost certainly is), the entire souffle collapses. That's why Assange is being psycho-tropically assisted towards Jose Padillo potted-planthood. His sane recounting is an authentically-grounded plot twist no power center needs.

Even if Barr's clean-up has genuine auspices, it will, of necessity be measured and patrician and will not be allowed to dash the credibility of the system altogether. Barr is a gray hat at best. How can he be otherwise? We will get, at best, a modicum of 'just us'.

It will interesting to see how effective the committee Republicans are at cross-examining Mueller, given the highly contrived (and likely tightly rehearsed) dog-and-pony show the Dems & Mueller have planned. This very risky Dem strategy is a litmus for their bankrupt 2020 electoral prospects, not to mention Schiff & Nadler's touch of the derangement flu and efforts to rectify their dashed personal credibility.

For example, the proposed Democratic format allows no second questioning phase.

https://fullspectrumdominoes.wordpress.com/2019/06/28/7864/

Posted by: Full Spectrum Domino | Jul 5, 2019 5:57:02 PM | 13

john @12--

I think it will be very hard to dodge since it touches so many different policy areas, and that's one reason why I decided to work for her campaign--to ask the uncomfortable questions. You can't only expose the lies used to justify regime change wars and omit others just as glaring if you intend to portray yourself as a honest candidate amongst the usual pack of liars as she's attempting.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 5, 2019 6:02:18 PM | 14

The most recent summary by William Binney on the evidence that the DNC server was not 'hacked' by the Russians or anyone else.

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/02/why-the-dnc-was-not-hacked-by-the-russians.html

It's easy to find information on Binney's formidable career.

Posted by: SteveK9 | Jul 5, 2019 6:35:39 PM | 15

Comparing Mueller's tissue of nonsense to the Warren Report is an insult to the latter.
Mueller has produced nothing. There is no evidence at all that Russia intervened in the election, in fact it would seem to be one of the few states that didn't.
Why? Because like the rest of us, the grown-ups in the Kremlin couldn't tell the difference between Tweedle Trump and Tweedle Clinton.
Or does anyone seriously believe that Putin had any high hopes of rational behaviour from Trump, whose reputation was well established long ago as that of an opportunist devoid if principles who would be-and has been- putty in the hands of the ruling scum?
The basis of Russiagate is and always has been very simple, it is directed not at starting a New Cold War but at returning to the wonderful days of the '90s in which Bill Browder and other capitalists looted the country, the people starved and the state fell apart into bite sized chunks for imperialists.
It was designed to bring down Putin and establish the Fifth Column in power, with the final object being to mobilise Russia's enormous resources, human, mineral, agricultural, geographical and cultural behind the US drive for hegemony.
The United States with Russia trotting obediently behind its oversized rump could never be challenged by China. China plus Russia equals "Game Over" for the Atlanticists.
Putin's crime is to have tamed the oligarchs, without challenging the capitalist counter revolution and employing the techniques of economic regulation first perfected in the West.
Of course 'Putin' is as much a short hand for the able faction that he leads, which increasingly dominates the Kremlin as it is the individual himself.
What makes things so interesting is that Putin, who really is master in the arts of self defence, has turned the attacks on him into an offensive which has Imperialism staggering as it retreats into the arsehole of its own sordid, stale and anachronistic ideologies.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5, 2019 7:02:23 PM | 16

Clinton's victory in the election was a foregone conclusion which was totally destroyed by nutsy outsider Trump. That was a national embarrassment which has to be accounted for, which was Mueller's mission. The Russians did it, and many people already believe it b/c of the widely reported findings(sic) of 17 intelligence agencies. It's the establishment defending itself, no more, and to be expected. It's a human trait to fight back when attacked. Trump's flippant attitude toward it is just right. He's not completely nutsy.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 5, 2019 7:12:48 PM | 17

bevin @15

Well said. I agree on all points.

Posted by: lgfocus | Jul 5, 2019 7:18:21 PM | 18

@Karlof1 who say's " that's one reason why I decided to work for her campaign to ask the uncomfortable questions" kudos too you sir. I wish you luck today, tmorrow and all days till your fight is over. The ONLY way any of this will change is if AS individuals we make the changes within. If more would think like you and other's here and (not too be hokey here, however) 'be the change' they want this would already be over and the balance would be.......well balanced. Thanks Karlof1.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 5, 2019 7:40:08 PM | 19

Great reporting by Mate. Russiagate reveals more even after the official Mueller report. More to bury I suppose. My theory now after watching the Mark Steyn interview of George Papadouplous and given the revelations about Brennan, is that there were two major operations working independently operations trying to take down Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggNWpNZJjNg&t=15s

There was the deep state conspiracy run by Brennan, and other was an independent black ops run by Clinton operatives who had ties to intelligence agencies (and Obama's White House) to tie Trump to the Russians. They intersected with the Steele Dossier being handed over to the FBI/CIA.

You know, I thought it strange that Hillary was hitting Trump over and over again with accusations of ties and subservience to the Russians. Was Russia really a burning concern in the Midwest or through the farm belts???? In fact, Wikileaks did a count on what subjects were talked about the most and it was stuff related to Russia. I believe that this was a setup to condition the public to revelations about Trump and Russians.

What Papadouplous revealed were attempts (he didn't know at the time) to connect him to Russia in sort of a guilt by association method (later directly by the Australian official) that ironcially did not involve one Russian. Same thing with the Trump Tower meeting. It was a set up to put Trump election officials in a room with a "Putin connected asset". Again, a kind of guilt by association--omg, they met with a Russian. We know now that the lawyer, forgot her name, meet with the GPS Fusion people after the meeting. I believe Hillary's team was going to reveal these setups as showing how connected Trump was to Russia before November. In an ironic way, it was the Russians who were being set up as the patsies.

But it seems to me the Clinton campaign thought they would not need the phony meetings to defeat Trump. By Hillary campaignI mean Hillary, Bill, with input from the black ops guys and nobody else (mayber some White House contacts also). Rest is history.

Posted by: Erelis | Jul 5, 2019 7:59:56 PM | 20

@ Ben - various:

Don't forget that lost in all of it is the real election tampering by Israel, happening right under our noses and fully abetted by the MSM. But let's keep blaming Russia.

Posted by: Casey | Jul 5, 2019 8:07:24 PM | 21

bevin @15--

Sorry, that was comparing apples to oranges, after all, the Warren Report merely covered up the assassination of a sitting US president and the conspiracy built to accomplish it--an event that solidified the Current Oligarchy's hold on the Federal Executive and its veto via magic bullet. Mueller merely covers up rather pedestrian lawbreaking and somewhat ho-hum impeachable offenses as well as the CIA and FBI's gross interference in the electoral process to predetermine the outcome. Surely not nearly as important as killing JFK to bring in LBJ--no, surely not.

Tannehhouser @18--

Thanks again for your reply and support for trying to do the right thing. I apologize for the following modification, but it seems appropriate for our times: The Meek shall inherit the Earth--Only when they grab the Strong by their Balls and Yank them from their Pedestal!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 5, 2019 8:15:26 PM | 22

karlof1 says:

I think it will be very hard to dodge since it touches so many different policy areas, and that's one reason why I decided to work for her campaign--to ask the uncomfortable questions

if it's high treason, as it certainly looks to be at the highest echelons of the Democratic apparatus, well, i really can't imagine them letting that cat out of the bag.

so i'll further wager that when you start to ask the uncomfortable questions...they'll let you go :(

Posted by: john | Jul 5, 2019 8:37:00 PM | 23

I can't blame b for reporting on it but this is a misdirection circus where all the participants and the audience are clowns (including Binney whom I used to think better of, search MoA for an old post of mine if you care). Count me out and I'll take off the red nose someone put on me for making this comment :)

Have a good weekend all (thank you Iran!).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 5, 2019 8:47:19 PM | 24

Who cares about this? Its a non story. We all know its a total farce. Why not shed light on something else rather than this useful distraction? Surely your efforts are better spent elsewhere.

Posted by: S r | Jul 5, 2019 9:14:19 PM | 25

@ karlofi1 “The Meek shall inherit the Earth--Only when they grab the Strong by their Balls and Yank them from their Pedestal!” Excellent.

Made me think of my take on trickle down economics: The only trickle down you’re going to get is when the elites piss on you from on high.

@ bevin 15. Couldn't have put it better if I had spent two weeks trying.

Posted by: Lochearn | Jul 5, 2019 9:15:17 PM | 26

@23 / 24 nice way to shit on aaron mate and b here... do you do this sort of hit and run thing regularly? why not tell us what you think it is a non story or misdirection? not capable??

i concur with @15 bevins comments in particular..

Posted by: james | Jul 5, 2019 9:16:20 PM | 27

I agree with Bevin in everything he says, except his apparent acceptance of the Warren Report. Yes, the Mueller Report is a tissue of lies about a non-event, but the Warren Report was also a tissue of lies, about an actual event.
As Karlofi states, they both were attempts to whitewash coup attempts. (In JFK's case, of course, there was a successful coup by the Deep State).
I would add that Russiagate had another purpose besides demonizing Russia and diverting Democrat's tiny attention spans from the crimes of the DNC.
It was used, and is still being used, to censor social media, and put a stop to the free flow of horizontal facts, information and opinions of the peoples of the world it allows.
The jackboot is stomping on the Facebook, just like Orwell predicted, and it's also stomping on Google, Twitter and YouTube.
You will not be allowed to react to the lies of the ruling class by posting dissent on social media, or by ridiculing their tall tales and stupidity, with memes or anything else. You will not be allowed to point out false flags.
You will accept their stories and repeat them obediently, or you will be banned.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 5, 2019 9:24:06 PM | 28

@24 S r: When historians look back, if there are any, Russiagate will be seen as the Ground Zero, Patient Zero, and the Adam Eve of mass social media and Internet censorship, wildly inflated defense budgets, growth of massive propaganda machines that will make Orwell's Ministry of Truth look like a pimple on a bear's ass, economic and trade wars that will send millions into proverty. In the end, Russiagate maybe the seed of the xenophobia that can trigger a nuclear war.

Posted by: Erelis | Jul 5, 2019 9:39:55 PM | 29

Good summary of the basics, b.

Bevin. Agreed. And good wrap-up/finish. Anytime Trump made any mention of rapprochement with Russia, there was strong push-back. Putin had to have noticed and judged accordingly.

And it's not just the CrowdStrike sequestration/investigation of HRC's server. The Russian who had the server that allegedly hosted a phishing attack asked the FBI to check it out after he shut down the account. The FBI refused.

I agree with those who say this will be used by the tech giants and media for further censorship. As a recent corbettreport video showed, the tech giants work for the alphabet agencies (CIA, NSA, DoD, etc and a pun) to know and control us.

Posted by: Curtis | Jul 5, 2019 9:50:23 PM | 30

john @22--

If it's "high treason," shouldn't others be informed besides ourselves? And if a candidate trying to portray herself as honest and thus different from all the rest decides she cannot be honest, isn't that rather important to uncover? And why would I want to work for a dishonest candidate having made such a discovery; you wouldn't, would you?

S r @24--

"We all know its a total farce."

To which "we" do you refer: The MoA we, or the general public we? There's massive evidence proving the latter we does not know "its a total farce" and instead believes Russiagate's ongoing false narrative perpetuated by both Congress and Media. The same goes for people's ignorance that Boeing killed people for profit. And a thousand+ other truths that go unknown yet exist--crucial important truths like government complicity in the murders of JFK and MLK to cite but two examples.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 5, 2019 9:50:44 PM | 31

@ 27 wagelaborer


“I agree with Bevin in everything he says, except his apparent acceptance of the Warren Report. Yes, the Mueller Report is a tissue of lies about a non-event, but the Warren Report was also a tissue of lies, about an actual event.”

Totally agree but I think bevin was meaning that the JFK event actually happened whereas Russiagate was a complete fiction.

And the vile creature Allen Dulles was a member of the Warren Commission when he had written directed and produced the execution of the President.

Posted by: Lochearn | Jul 5, 2019 9:56:57 PM | 32

Best book on the farce that was the Warren Commission is "Breach of Trust" by Gerald McKnight.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 5, 2019 10:02:58 PM | 33

I'm surprised that only b and only one commenter (so far) have mentioned the huge mammoth of en elephant in the room here.
John Brennan.

This whole thing was a fabrication of his, and then when to his and others' surprise Trump was elected, a concoction named 'Russiagate' was created to cover it up.
Mueller was brought in not to deconstruct or investigate. He was brought in to construct and fabricate further along Brennan's lines, to save Brennan's ass and the intel services that had been --sleeping on the job as it were-- had by Brennan.

The question is: who was Brennan colluding with. The DNC and/or DCCC? Suspicions to that effect are legitimate, and had been hanging in the air for a long time. Hillary is already preparing her getaway in Ireland. Personally I suspect they're decorating the outhouse as permanent residence. For a buddy named... Brennan.

Nothing stands in the way of a very interesting set of hearings. Unless...

Posted by: bjd | Jul 5, 2019 10:08:05 PM | 34

bjd @33--

Although I didn't specifically name him, he's incorporated within CIA that I do name. IMO, he didn't act alone as the damage control effort seems to involve Brennan, Obama, Clinton, and Podesta, and possibly others. The FBI people were certainly active immediately.

Mate's well researched article provides a baseline upon which to base questions at the upcoming hearings--but will it be used as such? Mate seems to be unbiased politically in his reporting, willing to expose wrongdoing by all actors; so, objections of bias are unwarranted.

Unfortunately, as of now, Aaron's tweet announcing the article's publication has only 207 retweets when it needs thousands.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 5, 2019 10:51:18 PM | 35

My question to one and all you smart commenters: whar are we, the ones who know what Russiagate really was about and just how thin the evidence for any "interference" was, what can we do to make a dent in the current public perception?

I do try, especially with Democrats I know Every chance I get I point out the holes in the evidence, but it seems to change no minds, even if I get some raised eye-brows, as in "what"? indicating, most never even heard of some of those points 9all of which Mate covers in his report excellently).

But at the end of day, the truth is - among the Democrat public at least, we are few, way too few. While the Sanders crowd has its doubters (with the more geopolitically educated ones reading MoA, of course), they are not as many as some would like to think. Certainly people who support Tulsi know a thing or two, but again, not so many.

So how on warth do we crash through this wall-to-wall coverage erected by a shallow lying MSM that's been totally captured by the corporatocracy and its Deep State enablers?

yes, I know you'll tell me things are a bit different among conservatives, including many republican leaning people, and definitely among Trump supporting people. But for those of use who are on the other side of the spectrum, the "Right" (what's called "right" at least) is not the problem at the moment 9though they might be on other issues, like healthcare and climate change). It's on the putative "eft"'s side where the problem lies. It's like tyhey - all their thinkers, tinkerers and activists caved in literally overnight. Some (the few who are Russiagate skeptics ike me) have pointed out that to me that propaganda does work. But who would've thought it'd work so well across the board?

And what can I do to just get a few of them to read mate's report or just b's summary?

Help please!

Posted by: Merlin2 | Jul 5, 2019 10:54:54 PM | 36

But why? Why did they do this? What was the intention of smearing Trump via Russiagate?

For Hillary to win? Well, Russiagate wasn't enough for her to win - and it never have been given her own problems with national security. At best, unfounded allegations of Trump being "compromised" would only act to negate Hillary's own national security negatives in the eyes of voters.

But IMO Russiagate was about much more than Hillary's campaign: it was meant to initiate a new McCarthyism. Why do I think that? Because the US Deep State was shocked by Russia's defense of their interests in Syria and Ukraine in 2013 and 2014. That wasn't supposed to happen. Russia was defeated! They needed USA investment! They needed to export to USA's European poodles!

That shock prompted Kissinger to write an Op-Ed in August 2014 that warned of breakdown in the World Order and argued for something much like MAGA to meet the challenge from Russia and China. 10 months later, Trump enter the race for the Republican nomination and he was the only MAGA candidate and the only populist on the right (out of 10 candidates!) - a combination that would allow him to sweep aside all challengers.

But to actually initiate a new McCarthyism, TRUMP HAD TO BE THE WINNER.

The fact is, it's very difficult to dramatically influence public opinion. 3-4 months of allegations during a campaign isn't enough. It just isn't. But Trump hate + constant MSM speculation of Trump-Putin connection over 18+ months would do the trick.

For over a year, I've argued that Sanders was Hillary's sheepdog and Hillary threw the race to Trump because no seasoned politician would have alienated key voter groups like she did, or fail to campaign in the 3 states she knew would decide the outcome. Yet despite this being the best explanation for what happened (as it explains much of the weirdness of the election and its aftermath) and is consistent with the Deep State's need for a nationalist to meet the challenge from Russia and China (as expressed by ), no one has mentioned this theory.

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LOL. Scams work best when the mark can't see the game that's being played on him/her. And the even the smarties at MoA STILL can't see it.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 5, 2019 11:16:51 PM | 37

Does anyone else have "Russia-gate" fatigue at this stage?

It was such self-evidently bullshit at the time that I'm now sick of even talking about it. I appreciate the effort of all of those that have ripped it to shreds, but it's a sad reflection of our times that people still take this load of bollocks seriously.

Anyone who still believes this Russian collusion nonsense is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: evilsooty999 | Jul 5, 2019 11:44:36 PM | 38

Lochearn, you could be right about that.
Merlin, Democrats are very fact-resistant. It is almost impossible to get them to read anything other than Huff Post.
Jackrabbit, you are assuming that the election circus is not rigged, that our ruling overlords leave it up to us to pick the next puppet. I see no reason to believe that.
The election keeps us amused and divided. They now produce it non-stop. We still aren't finished arguing about the 2016 election and they have already set up the 2020 act in the second ring.
But they put in whoever they think will suit their interests the best, no matter how worked up the plebes get over the angst and drama presented to us.
I think that HRC was the clear favorite of most of our rulers, and she might have actually "won" the 2016 election, if you are clinging to the old view that the votes are counted accurately.
As I have been told, when the NYPD detectives examined Huma's computer, shortly before the election, they were so repulsed about the HRC-related contents that they threatened to rebel and go public. Our overlords then switched out the puppets at the last minute.
That is why both HRC and Trump were so shocked at the announced results. They both thought that HRC would be the "winner" announced by the talking heads on the TV.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 5, 2019 11:53:35 PM | 39

You can follow United States v. INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY here:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6386795/united-states-v-internet-research-agency-llc/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

Currently pre-trial motions. The government is trying to keep most of the evidence secret.

Posted by: Keith McClary | Jul 5, 2019 11:53:59 PM | 40

This rehashing of Mate's article and 'debunking' of Russiagate collusion still adds to the smokescreen of the actual collusion that happened and is ongoing.

"Unbeknownst to a large section of the public, there is a very real story about actual collusion between team Trump and a foreign power. The collusion is deep, nefarious, compromises American goals and interests and is being studiously avoided by the dutiful lapdog mouthpieces in both the anti-Trump and pro-Tramp MSM fake news camps (and even among many in the pseudo-alternative media). And you haven't heard a peep about it because this collusion touches the third rail of international geopolitics: Israel."

https://steemit.com/news/@corbettreport/russiagate-is-a-made-up-distraction-the-real-scandal-is-israelgate

Hundreds of Thousands in Donations Tie Kushners and Trump to Chabad Movement
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-donations-tie-kushners-and-trump-to-chabad-movement-1.5483641

Chabad is a Criminal Organization,
an Organized Crime Mafia
http://www.chabad-mafia.com/mafia

Trump's first 'pardon' was for Sholom Rubashkin
among his crimes was human trafficking.

Trump is actually part of a money laundering scheme with Deutsche Bank.
"Tammy McFadden, one of the former Deutsche Bank employees who spoke to the Times for “Deutsche Bank Staff Saw Suspicious Activity in Trump and Kushner Accounts” said that she was fired for having pushed the matter within the bank."
https://therealnews.com/stories/trumps-real-estate-dealings-needed-a-criminal-organization-deutsche-bank

Trump and Putin are both owned by the same mafia.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-happy-go-lucky-jewish-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007

Russian/Israeli mobsters have called Trump Tower home for a long time.

"Out of prison, notorious Russian mobster yearns to return home
Boris Nayfeld, who came to New York with other Jewish emigres, is at the end of a storied career of crime, and now worries about future prospects in the US
"...After the infamous mob boss Agron was killed, Nayfeld served as a bodyguard and chauffer for the next don of the Russian mob, Marat Balagula.

Balagula maintained an office at the El Caribe Country Club, a Brooklyn catering hall and event space owned by the uncle of President Donald Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael Cohen.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/out-of-prison-notorious-russian-mobster-yearns-to-return-home/The uncle, Dr. Morton Levine, said that all his nieces and nephews have an ownership in the company, but that Cohen “gave up his stake,” after Trump was elected."

The Russian Crime Organization That Operated in Trump Tower
FBI wiretaps, illegal gambling and an Israeli connection, just three floors down from Donald Trump’s penthouse.https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-the-russian-crime-organization-that-operated-in-trump-tower-1.5452362

So folks can talk about the debunked "Russiagate" while still turning a blind eye to actual collusion and corruption.

Posted by: O | Jul 5, 2019 11:55:29 PM | 41

The net effect of the Mueller report is to firm up Trump's support and maintain a certain fluidity of public opinion. That opinion can be pushed either towards or away from Trump, by means both well understood or not recognized or even suspected by the general voting public, to produce a Brexit effect.

Since it's all the same game with the same people, it could also produce a Tulsi effect, if the plot masters so desired. Occasionally a candidate can flub the system, due to his/her appeal or some other reason, and in this case the candidate is removed by other means.

Trump is the proof anyone can be elected to any position, including the Russian colluding space dog Lika, who is presumably dead

This is theatre. The percentage of voters who do not understand it is theatre is large enough to push any election in any direction the Transnational Zionist Globalist Intelligence Priesthood so desires.

@ Karlof

If I believed you were an authentic representitive of yourself and not an Intelligence appointed comment manager + purveyor of Rothschild BRICS agit prop-pablum, I would enthusiastically search out your reports on the evolving Tulsi campaign.

Posted by: CI eh? | Jul 5, 2019 11:57:14 PM | 42

The ICA did not have 'high' confidence. NSA said "Moderate Confidence" which means 'Hearsay'. If there was hacking NSA would say "Absolute Certancy" because they would have the online evidence. They collect EVERYTHING. I know because I was in the Army Security Agency (NSA) during the War on Vietnam.

Posted by: William H Warrick II | Jul 6, 2019 12:06:38 AM | 43

Excellent analysis from bevin @15. I would only like to point out that despite any of Putin's supposed neoliberal aspirations, circumstances are forcing the Russian Federation into more public intervention into their economy instead of less like a neolib would prefer. Assuming Putin really is a neolib, his nationalism is overpowering his neoliberalism and leading him to (perhaps grudgingly) make some good decisions. It seems that Putin is prioritizing the fate of Russia over the fate of their domestic oligarchs, which is a distinction few western political leaders seem able to make. American leaders, for instance, seem to believe that if something is good for Bezos or Adelson and their peers then it is good for America. They cannot seem to comprehend that something can be good for the profiteers behind Boeing or Exxon but bad for regular Americans. Putin seems capable of understanding that there can be a difference.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 6, 2019 12:11:43 AM | 44

Russian oligarch's story could spell trouble for Team Mueller -- The Hill

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/451413-russian-oligarchs-story-could-spell-trouble-for-team-mueller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GabITog54d4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L7bVSc5juo

Posted by: curious man | Jul 6, 2019 12:12:10 AM | 45

Gabor Mate seems like an authentic character. Unfortunately he has been featured in a CBC documentary which shows him managing victims of drug addiction on Vancouver's lower east side, a famous place to most Canadians where predominantly Natives go to die from needle assisted genocide.

Here's how it works:

Intelligence thugs tied to local gangsters including Chinese triads import heroin and carefully distribute it to vulnerable locations, especially small communities close to reservations. The drugs will be cheap so many will become addicted.

Sooner or later low level distributers are arrested and the the hard drug supply to isolated locations is cut off. A percentage will go out in search of that drug and end up on the lower east side to obtain them.

When the population of addicts grows too large in Vancouver the heroin supply will be purposely tainted and dozens of addicts will die of what are reported as overdoses.

Gabor Mate's public persona exists firstly so as to distract from this system of genocide, and secondly to teach us that a Jew is the most empathic person in the world, whereas we goys are thoughtless racists and collaborators with the system of genocide Intelligence has created.

I do not know if Mate is aware of how he is being used but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. If his son wishes to investigate this then by all means godspeed, but if I were him I would not do it because he would certainly end up dead.

Posted by: C I eh | Jul 6, 2019 12:24:13 AM | 46

jackrabbit @ 36

Kissinger to write an Op-Ed in August 2014...arguing for MAGA

Do you have a link for that one? I would be interested to see Kissinger say that. Quite out of character for him.

I think the whole phony issue was more about damaging any chance of US Russia relations than anything else. Trump was not supposed to win, he was not the anointed candidate. The whole we gotta get Russia Western story line has been going on long before Trump came on the scene. They were very disappointed when Putin took over from Yeltsin and they lost out on the untold riches of Russia's vast resources. They almost had Russia over the proverbial barrel, they were that close to taking their companies in hand in the state fire sale of the old Marxist entities.

Trump pushing a relationship with Russia during the campaign scared the hell out of our Western elites. JFK did that and caught a bullet in the head for his troubles. Peace and security has never been fashionable with that crowd.

The whole national security state bought in the canard and I can tell you they are not that stupid, they were directed from above. Why would the national security state propagate such a lie? When do they run with these types of hardcore national lies? War is always the end result of these types of national lies.

Posted by: dltravers | Jul 6, 2019 12:26:06 AM | 47

VLADIMIR PUTIN: THE CHABAD LUBAVITCH MOBSTER WHO WOULD BE THE GLOBALIST MESSIAH
2) Putin was placed into the Russian Presidency by the uber-corrupt Boris Yeltsin
http://www.dutchanarchy.com/vladimir-putin-chabad-lubavitch-mobster-globalist-messiah/

Putin’s Chosen People
What’s behind the Russian president’s close relationship with an Orthodox Jewish sect?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/11/vladimir-putin-chabad-whats-behind-the-russian-presidents-close-relationship-with-an-orthodox-jewish-sect.html

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 12:30:19 AM | 48

Kissinger advises Trump, Putin and Xi Jinping.

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 12:32:27 AM | 49

Written like consultant.
Many possibilities but avoid any conclusion.
Cant be pointing fingers.
Want our money back.

Posted by: jared | Jul 6, 2019 12:32:31 AM | 50

Incidentally Canada's recent decision to (legalize?) pot has seen the rollout of a system of potential systematic genocide not unlike the one used in B.C.

If you have gone to a pot shop on a reservation you will likely run into hard drugs for sale, usually only to locals or otherwise trusted people. Most of the people will not buy the hard drugs but rest assured a large percentage of the pot they are buying is adulterated with everything from fentalin to meth.

Posted by: C I eh? | Jul 6, 2019 12:34:56 AM | 51

Donald Trump talked politics with Bill Clinton weeks before launching 2016 bid
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-republicans-2016-launch/2015/08/05/e2b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html?utm_term=.c36b951c8f45

The Clintons and Trump go way back moreover Trump and Bill Clinton are good friends with Jeff Epstein.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

Trump prior to the election was accused of raping a minor with Jeff Epstein.

The complaint alleges billionaire convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein had a woman pickup teenage girls for his famous parties. One of these girls was “Jane.” Another witness, “Tiffany,” who also provided an affidavit in the lawsuit, said she witnessed Trump and Epstein rape the plaintiff several times. Trump has repeatedly denied the allegations.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/

Anyone who ever believe that "lock her up" nonsense was deluding themselves.


Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 12:43:06 AM | 52

"Intelligence thugs tied to local gangsters including Chinese triads import heroin and carefully distribute it to vulnerable locations, especially small communities close to reservations. The drugs will be cheap so many will become addicted."
Posted by: C I eh | Jul 6 2019 0:24 utc | 45

More to your point.

The CIA is the world's largest drug trafficker.
Months before 9/11 The Taliban was eradicating the poppy fields and the empire was not going to let that continue to happen.
In 2001: Taliban's Ban On Poppy A Success, U.S. Aides Say
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html

Opium production in Afghanistan has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001.
And dumb US morons are suddenly surprised there is an opioids/heroin epidemic

https://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053

Ahmed Wali Karzai was a drug trafficker on the CIA payroll who happens to be the half brother of Hamid Karzai the US puppet to lead Afghanistan.


During the 1980s, the CIA’s secret war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan helped transform the Afghani-Pakistani borderlands into a launchpad for the global heroin trade. “In the tribal area,” the US state department reported in 1986, “there is no police force. There are no courts. There is no taxation. No weapon is illegal … Hashish and opium are often on display.” By then, the process of guerrilla mobilisation to fight the Soviet occupation was long under way. Instead of forming its own coalition of resistance leaders, the CIA had relied on Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) and its Afghan clients, who soon became key players in the burgeoning cross-border opium traffic.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jan/09/how-the-heroin-trade-explains-the-us-uk-failure-in-afghanistan


Yet for some reason American pundits left or right can't understand why the Anglo-Zionist empire is occupying Afghanistan. And others keep believing the lie that the US will pull out of there.

Gary Webb work on Dark Alliance was groundbreaking.

In July 1995, San Jose Mercury-News reporter Gary Webb found the Big One--the blockbuster story every journalist secretly dreams about--without even looking for it. A simple phone call concerning an unexceptional pending drug trial turned into a massive conspiracy involving the Nicaraguan Contra rebels, L.A. and Bay Area crack cocaine dealers, and the Central Intelligence
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40718249-dark-alliance

Even prior to this the CIA was pumping unsuspecting people with LSD and mind control experiments.

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 12:57:04 AM | 53

Jackrabbit@36

“But why? Why did they do this? What was the intention of smearing Trump via Russiagate?

For Hillary to win? Well, Russiagate wasn't enough for her to win -“

Most of the heavy smearing took place post election. That set-the stage for Obamas Ministry of Truth in his final days of office. The Ministry of Truth would be used to combat Russian Disinformation, supposedly, but in fact it would Wage a War on Truth with the assistance of Big Tech Social Media Giants. Prop or Not soon followed, with Twitter, FB, Google censoring not far behind.

Russia-Gate and the fake wrestling event that was Deep State vs Trump gave Trump the excuse to back down on his promises and actually escalate sanctions on Russia.

One of the biggest impacts to the election results was the release of Hillary emails, almost daily coverage by both left and right MSM. In addition, Comey coming out days before the election saying he may reopen the investigation into Hillary may have been the clincher

Mueller does what he always done. Provides confirmation of the official lie while covering up for those most responsible for the lie. Trumps request to Putin to find the missing emails was scripted and set up the Russia -Gate Deep State operation that followed.

Fake wrestling baby, that's all it is.

BTW, as a result Putin and a number of other countries all followed the US and have their own Ministry of Truths to combat fake news (truth).

Posted by: Pft | Jul 6, 2019 1:02:23 AM | 54

"Fake wrestling baby, that's all it is."
Posted by: Pft | Jul 6 2019 1:02 utc | 53

This so true, politicians participate in "kayfabe" constantly. Trump's role has been to play the "heel" just like he did when he was in an actual wrestling shows in the WWE. A reality tv show actor president for a reality tv show brain dead society.

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 1:10:56 AM | 55

William Gruff @43--

Putin is the farthest thing from being a neoliberal--he's much closer to being described as a traditional paternalistic Tsar--his hero's Peter the Great. He loves Russia and Russians openly and unabashedly, and in ways that would make a neoliberal like Hillary Clinton ashamed of her inhumanity--that is if it were possible for any neoliberal to feel/be shamed. What I see Russia slowly moving to is Socialism with Russian Characteristics just as China's moving toward its version. After all, just what does Win-Win imply on a socio-cultural basis? That's the fundamental philosophy being adopted by nations joining the BRI/EAEU enterprise. And IMO, that's the only way humanity's going to advance through the very trying future it faces. The Hegemonic Age is slowly receding as the last remaining hegemon slowly fades into the previous paradigm.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6, 2019 1:13:57 AM | 56

O @52--

Did you know Mike Ruppert?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6, 2019 1:16:45 AM | 57

Thanks for linking the Maté article, b; awesome reporting.
It should be noted as well the late Robert Parry (PBUH) and Consortium News have been all over the subject since the DNC first started hinting that the Rooskies done it.

And JR's theory @36 makes eminent sense, given what has been observed of how US presidential elections work.

dlt @46 The article is out there (having trouble locating it atm); Kissinger stated that the US's declining prestige required reasserting a sense of "greatness," or something to that effect. I will post a link if I come across one.

Posted by: robjira | Jul 6, 2019 1:17:25 AM | 58

Does anyone remember Pinky and the Brain? It was a children's cartoon in the 1990s about two laboratory mice who kept devising ridiculous schemes in an attempt to take over the world. The scheme alleged by the Mueller report is undoubtedly something that would have been on the show if there had been social media at the time.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Jul 6, 2019 1:18:30 AM | 59

O @ 51
Anyone who ever believe that "lock her up" nonsense was deluding themselves.

That may be so but the players in the lawsuit all appear to be hardcore DNC political hacks looking to damage a candidate. Gloria Allred's daughter was all over it. Her presence is enough for me.

What was the conclusion? It was dropped by the accuser...

NOTICE OF VOLUNTARY DISMISSAL PURSUANT TO F.R.C.P.41(a)(1)(A)(i)

No doubt Epstein is a first class creep that worked with Robert Maxwell's daughter. Do a search on him and think it through. It appears that this was a first class blackmail operation by a first class intelligence unit in the Middle East Region. Trump's associations with him appears to be in passing in what I can tell from reading through the record. The legal deal went down long before Trumps presidency, in fact I think you can blame the Democrats for that one as they were in charge.

Did the death threats happen? That could very well be. You can get them from posting here. Add it to the Stormy Daniels thing and her massively creepy attorney and all you get is good old politics in the US. Total bullshit.

Twist it till it breaks, no one will notice.

Posted by: dltravers | Jul 6, 2019 1:26:16 AM | 60

Posted by: dltravers | Jul 6 2019 1:26 utc | 59

Epstein had several numbers for Trump in his "little blackbook". Furthermore Epstein frequented Mar A Largo and even at least one of the under age sex trafficking victims was recruited there. Trump even commented knowing Epstein a "terrific guy" and how he liked his girls on the younger side.

Furthermore Jane Doe attempted her lawsuit on 3 separate occasions long before Trump was a revitalized celebrity. Go search the Howard Stern archives to really hear how Trump was just as scummy as Epstein.

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 2:03:52 AM | 61

@40 o... if the american public can't get past, or thru what the mueller investigation, or aaron mates article is about, they sure as hell ain't going to get thru the russian mob connections / chabab data you are offering, and fwiw - most folks are aware of what you are offering here too... why, the folks who have swallowed the pablum that mueller has offered, can't figure out felix sater either, another key figure working both sides of the aisle... so, i don't agree with your position and you post way too much too...

@ 43 wg... good point, thanks..

@ 45 C I eh... why don't you think about reading one of gabor mates books, instead of suggesting he seems like am authentic character? clearly the documentary has skewed your impression of some of what is going on in vancouver... fwiw - they can get methadone free if they want it too, so your facts, or whatever they provided in the docu are off..

your post @50 leaves out important details too and makes it look like you are trying to push a viewpoint that is out of sync with reality here..

Posted by: james | Jul 6, 2019 2:05:24 AM | 62

TASS

"We condemn the seizure of a super tanker flying the Panamanian flag by Gibraltar authorities who were backed by UK Royal Marines," Tass quoted the ministry as saying.

"We consider the detention of the vessel and its cargo a deliberate step geared to further aggravate the situation around Iran and Syria. Comments by the UK and the US officials that came immediately after this operation only prove these assessments and indicate that this operation had been plotted beforehand and involved corresponding services and agencies of several countries."

Posted by: Arata | Jul 6, 2019 2:05:38 AM | 63

dltravers @59 & O @51--

The two of you may find this tweet of interest:

"Jeffrey Epstein update:

"The 2nd Cir. has ordered the summary judgment record in Epstein's District Court case to be unsealed."

Comment from the thread:

"The roaring silence by MSM on what would normally be a story splashed across EVERY headline is astounding in it's universal pervasiveness, but not surprising considering the many who are implicated in politics, MSM and the corporate world.

"Butt cheeks are clenching, indeed."

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6, 2019 2:07:35 AM | 64

"f the american public can't get past, or thru what the mueller investigation, or aaron mates article is about, they sure as hell ain't going to get thru the russian mob connections / chabab data you are offering, and fwiw - most folks are aware of what you are offering here too.."Posted by: james | Jul 6 2019 2:05 utc | 61

self-contradictory statement

"so, i don't agree with your position and you post way too much too..."
Posted by: james | Jul 6 2019 2:05 utc | 61

No one is forcing to read my post.

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 2:11:29 AM | 65

Kissinger's article (originally published in WSJ) is available here:

Wall Street Journal (behind paywall)

Hoover Institution republished it

Last paragraph calls for USA to set aside principles (like human rights?) and reclaim its 'greatness':

The celebration of universal principles needs to be paired with recognition of the reality of other regions' histories, cultures and views of their security. Even as the lessons of challenging decades are examined, the affirmation of America's exceptional nature must be sustained. History offers no respite to countries that set aside their sense of identity in favor of a seemingly less arduous course. But nor does it assure success for the most elevated convictions in the absence of a comprehensive geopolitical strategy.

Kissinger is essentially calling for MAGA. Trump was the MAGA candidate.

McCain and the Clintons are fans of Kissinger. Trump is a Clinton acolyte. VP Pence is a McCain acolyte. CIA Director Gina Haspel is a Brennan acolyte. Comey is a Mueller acolyte. Atty General William Barr is close with Mueller and Bush Sr. And so on, down the line.

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This was my reaction when I first read it in 2014 (a day or two after it was published):

I was skeptical of Kissinger’s Op-ed of March 5th, saying (on April 28th): “Kissinger penned a “lets be reasonable” Op-ed in an attempt to head off Russian action and maintain the gains made via “facts on the ground”.

Kissinger again feels the need to join the public conversation but I see his contribution very differently than Banger. My reading is that Kissinger is asserting that the US can and should do whatever it takes to keep the US preeminent – even if that means ignoring allies and/or the post-war international structure (UN, UNSC). That exceptional! message comes through loud and clear despite his ‘triage’ formalism. And it is a message that is comforting to the elite who read the WSJ (before a holiday weekend), though it should give Joe Sixpack nightmares if fully understood.

There is a lot more there which would take much longer to unpack. But I’ll point to one more thing: Note how he forms an equivalence between all the troubles that the ‘West’ now face, and ignores US/Western actions that have contributed to these conflicts by conflating them. NC readers understand this via Merschemer’s (in today’s links) work on Ukraine and many links regarding ISIS (like this one).

This comforting message is needed because the Ukraine gambit has failed miserably – as many independent oberservers [sic] predicted– and a deeper conflict with Russia (possibly extending to others) is now in the cards. Like the true neocon that he is, Kissinger has doubled down on Nuland’s obnoxious and misguided “f*ck the EU” with an exceptional! “f*ck the World”.

God help us.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 6, 2019 2:12:42 AM | 66

What I see Russia slowly moving to is Socialism with Russian Characteristics just as China's moving toward its version.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6 2019 1:13 utc | 55

You could also claim that Japan was moving to Socialism with Japanese characteristics. There are elements of welfare state. some state owned enterprises. What makes Putin "neoliberal" in the eyes of some (but not the actual neo-liberals) is his penchant for conservative budgeting, low deficits that tend to be surpluses -- given funds to keep reserves etc. Since the last oil shock and sanctions that followed they pay attention to import substitution which is most notable in agriculture.

Such system used to be called state capitalism and I see no signs of it becoming more "socialist".

I think that state enterprises play a much larger role in China, but I lack statistic evidence.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 6, 2019 2:30:44 AM | 67

@ James

clearly the documentary has skewed your impression of some of what is going on in vancouver... fwiw - they can get methadone free if they want it too, so your facts, or whatever they provided in the docu are off..

As anyone on methadone in Canada will tell, that stuff will kill ya faster than the street drugs, as it's intended to do.

I don't accuse Gabor, the father, of any nefarious intent. I am saying that the system is purpose built for genocide, including the placement of society's most empathic people in positions of trust.

It costs $5000 per client per month to adminster the methadone program in Canada. Everyone gets their cut (Police, Intel, Phatmacon, etc.) while the 'clients' end up dead anyway. The few who do well with methdone are not hardcore addicts and I have worked with them so I know.

Or do you think spending $60 000 per annum NOT on housing, the most basic need of any stable life, is the best way to help these truly desperate people?

I have not read Mate's book, which is why I reserve judgement on him personally, as I stated in my comment above. That is because like so many other people, I don't have the time, because I am struggling to put a roof over my head, in a neighnourhood that is not in the midst of a hard drug epidemic and all the misery that comes with.

The war on drugs is a fraud. If I do read Mate's books will he emphasize the relationship between drug epidemics, intel agencies, social service agencies and police forces? Or will he emphasize how to be helpless and desperate and so be able to do nothing but demonstrate your compassion so everyone knows you are kind?

It is not a sarcastic question. Please tell me because by now I can usually tell a psyop with multiple levels of good people participating without ever knowing they are working to sustain a system of economic and spiritual genocide and rape.

Posted by: C I eh? | Jul 6, 2019 2:38:52 AM | 68

" the Warren Report merely covered up the assassination of a sitting US president and the conspiracy built to accomplish it--an event that solidified the Current Oligarchy's hold on the Federal Executive and its veto via magic bullet."
That is one point of view, karlofi. You might be right about the conspiracy behind the assassination being covered up. I'm not sure and I don't really care very much-JFK was a nasty piece of work responsible for authorising a lot of assassinations himself, that of Diem for example, thousands of Vietnamese peasants and numerous attempts on Castro.
But that was not the point I was making, as Lochearn @61 points out the difference was that Kennedy was actually killed whereas in russiagate nothing happened. It was all bs from soup to nuts.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 6, 2019 2:41:08 AM | 69

my comment @65 has a broken link.

Here's the link to my comment in 2014

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 6, 2019 2:47:07 AM | 70

Kissinger is and always was a self-serving mediocrity, and his results show it. A long period of decay and decline. I just want to get that in. His books are intellectual mush, full of big words that mean nothing.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6, 2019 2:56:04 AM | 71

Kissinger, a longtime Putin confidant, sidles up to Trump
“I worked in intelligence,” Vladimir Putin finally told him, according to “First Person,” a 2000 autobiography cobbled together from hours of interviews with the then-unfamiliar Russian leader. To which Kissinger replied: “All decent people got their start in intelligence. I did, too.”As Putin climbed the ranks in the Kremlin, eventually becoming the autocratic president he is today, he and Kissinger kept up a warm rapport even as the United States and Russia grew further apart. Kissinger is one of the few Americans to meet frequently with Putin, one former U.S. ambassador recently recalled -- along with movie star Steven Seagal and ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson, the likely next secretary of state.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-kissinger-russia-putin-232925


Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 2:57:37 AM | 72

@67 C I eh?.. i've got friends that are former junkie too and they don't approve of the free methadone either.. i am just saying the way you are characterizing it all as some type of continuation of genocide seems very skewed.. you can say you don't agree with it - and in that we agree - but to say the system is condoning genocide is insane as i see it..

gabor mate has written a number of books.. i have read a few.. the guy does great work and is to be commended.. i am not surprised his son aaron is following in his footsteps, but as usual a poster like o will claim it is more smokescreen and bullshite like that will no doubt come from some, too ignorant or inept to see the good work they are doing.. so, yeah - i was put off by your comment toward gabor mate, but i appreciate it was fairly subtle.. as for your questions - as i said - he has written a number of books... once you finish getting the roof over your head, you can probably pick a book up at the library by him.. you definitely can if you live in canada, or on the westcoast where you are commenting on.. as for the war on drugs - i pretty much agree with you.. it is like the war on terror - an endless task that is fairly self serving to a number of parties.. at the same time i think there are people out in the world doing good work and the mates - both gabor and his son - are 2 of them...

Posted by: james | Jul 6, 2019 3:09:04 AM | 73

"but to say the system is condoning genocide is insane as i see it.."
Posted by: james | Jul 6 2019 3:09 utc | 72

"Canada’s government has issued a report concluding that the country’s mistreatment of indigenous women amounts to genocide, citing, among other travesties, nonconsensual sterilizations. In North America, various prejudices motivate coercive population control policies; in Asia, where most forced sterilizations take place today, unfounded overpopulation alarmism acts as the primary motivation. However it may be rationalized, there is never any moral or practical justification for coerced sterilization."
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/cruel-truth-about-population-control-62467


“Mass Sterilization”: Kenyan Doctors Find Anti-fertility Agent in UN Tetanus Vaccine?Do you need more examples ?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-un-tetanus-vaccine-2/5678295

This is just recent, do you need historical evidence as well?

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 3:18:30 AM | 74

well, the canuck report is a pile of steaming politically correct bunk too, but please do continue with your stupid OT posts..

Posted by: james | Jul 6, 2019 3:21:05 AM | 75

Bemildred @70:

self-serving mediocrity, and his results show it...decay and decline... His books are intellectual mush, full of big words that mean nothing.
Kissinger often seems more like the Empire's spiritual guru than a foreign policy analyst. I imagine that Kissinger is much more direct when talking with "people that matter" than he is in books and interviews.

= =

O @71:

[Putin]... and Kissinger kept up a warm rapport even as the United States and Russia grew further apart.
Yet Putin paid no attention to Kissinger's appeals in 2014. Russia refused to return Crimea to Ukraine and supported the Donbas rebels.

Putin also rejected Obama's warning that Syria would be a "quagmire" for Russia (no doubt Kissinger was available to consult with both sides).

And Putin also rejected Trump's entreaties at their much-heralded July 2018 meeting in Helsinki. IMO Trump would've almost certainly consulted with Kissinger before the meeting with Putin as he was likely making the 'pitch' for Russia to rejoin the West.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 6, 2019 3:21:40 AM | 76

What is most puzzling is the fact that Trump is a "target rich area", and politically, the Russian collusion or interference is a huge political flop, removing attention from his obvious lies, boorishness, broken promises and sheer stupidity.

Yesterday, some Democrats complained "Trump on Thursday spoke outside the Lincoln Memorial at the event, which prompted widespread criticism from Democrats that the president was politicizing Independence Day." Apparently, teleprompter broke and Trump had to improvise, so he spoke about forebears "manning the air, ramming the ramparts and taking over the airports".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 6, 2019 3:28:38 AM | 77

"Yet Putin paid no attention to Kissinger's appeals in 2014. Russia refused to return Crimea to Ukraine and supported the Donbas rebels."Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 6 2019 3:21 utc | 75

Would love to see a link about that.

"And Putin also rejected Trump's entreaties at their much-heralded July 2018 meeting in Helsinki"

WTF are you talking about?

Trump sides with Russia against FBI at Helsinki summit
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 3:38:32 AM | 78

Jack Rabbit @76: I admit I am mystified by his elevated status, I tend to take it as a reaction formation to their sub-conscious awareness of their own perfidy and fecklessness. Nixon got all the blame, Kissinger gets lionized, go figure. That dipshit Zbig Brezinski is another one. "Let's weaponize religion!" I suppose to admit what Kissinger is, they'd have to admit what they are too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6, 2019 3:43:44 AM | 79

well, the canuck report is a pile of steaming politically correct bunk too, but please do continue with your stupid OT posts..

Posted by: james | Jul 6 2019 3:21 utc | 74


Aw James now you are demonstrating what an obtuse fraud you are, but you are not that really, are you James?

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 3:51:37 AM | 80

Piotr Berman @76 (& meant Jack Rabbit @75 ^^)

Yes, I share your frustration, it is like they wanted to make as much noise as possible about Russia and Trump without actually getting him or mentioning anything he might actually be guilty of like money-laundering out of the former USSR.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 6, 2019 3:51:54 AM | 81

bevin @68--

Sorry for our crossed-wires. I'm not one who idolized JFK. He was a cog in the System until he decided to go his own way on numerous issues, domestic and foreign.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6, 2019 3:56:12 AM | 82

O @77:

Would love to see a link about that.

My comment @65 will help you to search for one:

I was skeptical of Kissinger’s Op-ed of March 5th, saying (on April 28th): “Kissinger penned a “lets be reasonable” Op-ed in an attempt to head off Russian action and maintain the gains made via “facts on the ground”.

What do you think Kissinger meant when he called for each side to accept the "least best" outcome?

WTF are you talking about?

What do YOU think the Helsinki Summit was all about? Sports? (Putin gave Trump a soccer ball.)

Trump sides with Russia against FBI ...

LOL. Hilarious, but not really worthy of a reply.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 6, 2019 4:18:44 AM | 83

WTF are you talking about?

What do YOU think the Helsinki Summit was all about? Sports? (Putin gave Trump a soccer ball.)
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 6 2019 4:18 utc | 82
Honestly what was the purpose of Helsinki meeting other than in my opinion a photo op and Trump deepening his role as the "heel" for his domestic press? What was or wan't accomplished?


Fruther more I still can't find that Kissinger op ed about him asking Russia to give back the Donbass region. If you have an original link please pass it on. What was the original title or paper is it was published in?

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 4:34:20 AM | 84

O @ 77

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

Carry on. Yours is top notch commenting. Especially the unabashed use of the so-called Corporate media narrative to prove your points.

We are in agreement except I believe Putin, Trump nor Netanyahoo are in any danger of being exterminated by hitmen wearing black fedoras and long beards...

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 6, 2019 4:38:33 AM | 85

Welcome to the rabbit hole
Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 6 2019 4:38 utc | 86

Thanks DT long time lurker of these parts just decided to mess around for a while. The tagline of this joint always intrigued me because in the real world this why i I actually frequent and like going bars, to hang out and meet random people and shoot the breeze.

"We are in agreement except I believe Putin, Trump nor Netanyahoo are in any danger of being exterminated by hitmen wearing black fedoras and long beards..."

This is gangster life and that if you slip your life is really on the line. I know some folks around here want to get all erudite about their analysis of the world, but shit really isn't that complicated in my mind.

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 4:57:47 AM | 86

Did not go through the entire post since it seems pointless. This is another Amerikan TV show.. Some idiot had a bright idea because thats where the money is. But no story.. So he starts creating it as he goes along. Why most US shows and movies have huge gaping holes in them. The problem is, this is not an action flick where the story and backgrounds do not matter. And this is what is intellectually challenging for Amerikans.. Lost makes a good point here.. They think every gap and time wrap and goofup is another great mystery to be solved. Instead of just saying the authors were just not good enough to think that far ahead or even get around some of the problems. Hence the need to make up scenarios where all the holes can be patched. The only problem here is, the Russians are not cooperating.. So any patching seems shallow and easily torn down.

Although it looks like the US government itself has not only gone insane but also bonkers. We already know Rome went out of reality after they started worshiping power instead of achievements. Seems the same is happening here.. No one except donald the east west north and south inventor of alternate realism buys this krappola of giant amerikan turdism. They dont even realise they look like idiots.. At least you can laugh at a clown, here you just feel sorry for the pathetic wretches.


Posted by: Igor Bundy | Jul 6, 2019 4:58:23 AM | 87

No one knows what Trump and Putin discussed at Helsinki except the translators who were the only others present. AFAIK there was no written or recorded record.

Considering the close degree of coordination between the US. Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia since that time it's probably safe to say the meeting wasn't contentious.

Probably it was a very friendly meeting of two fellow boss of bosses.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 6, 2019 4:59:12 AM | 88

...discussing how to avoid compromising each others' turf.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 6, 2019 5:00:27 AM | 89

Piotr@66

“Such system used to be called state capitalism and I see no signs of it becoming more "socialist".

I think that state enterprises play a much larger role in China, but I lack statistic evidence.”

There are indeed some similarities between China and Putins Russia.

In China most of the wealth is owned by the party elite who make up most of the oligarchs. State owned actually means party owned. Dividends are not paid to the citizens but are returned to the corporation. Taxes paid are used to subsidize money losing party enterprises. Management is largely held by party members who are highly paid. In Russia the wealth is owned by oligarchs or a state run by the FSB-oligarch corporation.

China is democratic at the party level. There are Multiple parties within the one party, but they are subservient to the one visible party. In Russia there are multiple parties but there is one dominant party.

Like the US the oligarchs and FSB propaganda determines who wins these elections. As Stalin said its not the voters who count but who counts the vote.

In the US there are 2 parties, both controlled by the corporate and cognitive elite who move in and out of government via a revolving door thus controlling each government agency.

MSM like in Russia and China are controlled and monitored via imbedded intelligence agents. NYT admitted they send certain stories to the NSA for approval before printing. CIA has interns at each MSM bureau

China, Russia, UK, EU, Japan, US are one big happy family in private. In the shadows are the global elite and supporters of Israel are pulling strings and writing the scripts for each to follow. I am convinced Hollywood writes some of the scripts. Controlled chaos, just like WWF wrestling

So in China there is the illusion of socialism, in Russia and US/UK/EU the illusion of Democracy. Basically the same systems under control of a shadowy global government by means of numerous secret international economic, military and security conferences.

Rogue elements get disappeared , sanctioned or investigated and prosecuted. This discourages anyone from getting too independent.

A large number of elite wannabes are recruited and promised insider status should they do assigned dirty work. Failures return to oblivion being warned to keep silent. Some of the wannabes who execute their successfully make insider status or are led to believe they have achieved it. They are given insider information in which to gain financially. Using that information gives the elites a weapon to use against them if needed.

This is the way the world really works. Proof of this is the fact nobody has made a movie about it.

I might be sipping too much cool aid, but it tastes right to me.

Posted by: Pft | Jul 6, 2019 5:13:37 AM | 90

This Mueller report is to be kept preciously and studied thoroughly not for telling the truth. To me, this report is a great show how not to tell it.

I haven’t read it but from my understanding, it avoids thoroughly to ask annoying questions (f.i. why not examining the DNC computers?) It blankets out possibilities to get to the truth (Interviewing a willing Assange), It founds or helps to found pursuits against truth tellers (Julian Assange). It doesn’t care about logic and coherence. It repeats so often dubious claims that they become official truths. It accepts not to be told the whole truth by partisan groups. It believes without restraints people who wish its main thesis true (John Brennan). It takes as complete truths hearsay propagated on the web. It makes desires to believe objective truths. I’m baffled by this

Truth-seeking is not the option. Political leverage is. Censorship comes hand in hand with that. Uncensored and proven assertions are destructive to the desired political leverage to the highest level. They have to be destroyed and their bearers have to be attacked by every thinkable mean.

That Russia is spying upon the USA is a given or she’s dead. A country spying on the others and especially on the possible adversaries is just sane politics to me. NSA and CIA are only two of the US intelligence organizations. I bet with anybody that they’re spying on Russian and why not on me. I’ve written a text with a lot of sensitive keywords: Russia, USA, Mueller report, DNC, Assange, NSA, CIA.

This is not proving that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. The inquiry stumbled upon claims of, at least, dubious actions from Hillary Clinton and associates. It was put swiftly under the rug. Now it’s forgotten. My bet is that CrowdStrike was allowed to keep the DNC computers away from the FBI because Assange was not interviewed and so on because another track potentially destroying the Democrats and the Clintons could have been found out. My bet is that Mueller avoided to an inquiry on Clinton to avoid embarrassment to her party.

The Mueller report is the result of this embarrassing truth avoidance. I wish I’m wrong but too many elements points to this. The Seth Rich story is so strange that the idea he was murdered because he downloaded the famous files appeals to me. The fact that (from memory) fifty people in the close relations of Hillary died violently and some of them were about to testify against her appeals to me. I have a doubt it could be five. But take the five violent deaths in her relationships and finds another high ranking politician in the world having five such deaths in its neighborhood who has not murdered them. I’m curious to find it. Statistics are here against HRC.

The present-day US culture is truth avoidant. Triggering, sexist, racist, antisemitic, homophobic, islamophobic and so on you know.

I confess a proclivity to believe that the Mueller report is an illustration of the way not to tell the truth at an unprecedented scale. It should be studied and its making should be studied too for that very reason. When a plane crashes with a lot of deaths in a spectacular way an inquiry is done. Once upon a time, it was not to find culprits. It was to find ways to avoid repeating committed mistakes. Everybody was collaborating because they shared a common interest in not repeating the mistakes with such a horrible outcome. This time is over. It’s a pity because now we’re damned to repeat the disasters. Everybody is covering his ass. The Mueller report should be studied in the « once upon a time » way to avoid repeating such a disaster.

I keep on thinking this study should be done but in our racist, homophobic, antisemitic, islamophobic, transphobic, sexist and so on .. time we can’t. Too many people have to cover their asses. I can understand that. If they trigger the wrong person, their lives will actually be destroyed. Look at Assange. He just told the truth, now he is condemned to a long and painful death.

Posted by: DidierF | Jul 6, 2019 5:29:28 AM | 91

"I am convinced Hollywood writes some of the scripts. Controlled chaos, just like WWF wrestling"
Posted by: Pft | Jul 6 2019 5:13 utc | 91

Aw man, Pft now you getting deep into the hole. Have you heard of Laurel Canyon out in Hollywood? Here something for the uninitiated.
Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & The Dark Heart Of The Hippie Dream

pdflink


Here is short video about the military filming studio there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h10FaTfkMEYill this day the CIA collaborates with Hollywood

Hollywood is the propaganda capital of the world.

[Please learn how to link properly! The http:// URL does not belong in the text field. - b]

Posted by: O | Jul 6, 2019 5:41:53 AM | 92

@ O who broke the web page formatting with their improper link

I can only hope that you are gone soon because I am tired of scrolling over your BS and bad manners

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 6, 2019 6:49:18 AM | 93

For me, this information from the article was new:

CrowdStrike executive Shawn Henry, who led the forensics team that ultimately blamed Russia for the DNC breach, previously served as assistant director at the FBI under Mueller.

And CrowdStrike was hired to perform the analysis of the DNC servers by Perkins Coie – the law firm that also was responsible for contracting Fusion GPS, the Washington, D.C.-based opposition research firm that produced the now discredited Steele dossier alleging salacious misconduct by Trump in Russia and his susceptibility to blackmail.

Posted by: S | Jul 6, 2019 8:38:04 AM | 94

Aaron Mate misses a few additional things. A central claim is that GRU hacked the DNC/DCCC servers and had complete access, with keyloggers, and stole 300GB from the internal servers including all the mail servers, plus 70GB from DNC's cloud servers. The Wikileaks emails would be a very small part of this trove.

That scale of hacking gives a lot of potential data, with a large potential for Kompromat. For instance, imagine DNC staff logging on to Gmail, or Facebook, or Pron or other nefarious sites while being keylogged. Imagine internal conversations between senior DNC staff and campaigns. It begs the question as to whether the Russians have attempted to blackmail any member of the DNC as the result of the hack. How far have the FBI investigated...?

Secondly, the report discusses attempts to hack State Election Boards and voting machines in passing. But incredibly, given what Mueller was tasked to do, the report says they explicitly did not investigate. Why on earth not?

This on top of the observation that the Steele Dossier is not mentioned at all in Section One despite being the key accusatory evidence. Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson get no mention. Neither does Perkins Coie. And Manafort is discussed, but his co-lobbyist Tony Podesta is not seen.

Evidence presented for links to Russians come from media reports, and not official CIA or FBI channels or assessments. And a number are mischaracterised as Russia linked when they are not Russian nationals.

Posted by: Petrivolk | Jul 6, 2019 8:59:11 AM | 95

To karlof1 @56

I think your analysis of Putin is very accurate; nevertheless, I don't know the man and many posters here (who likely know less about Putin than I, but oh well...) seem to think he is a Rothschild mole or is collaborating to seal in the neoliberal New World Order with Trump and the Three Ms (May-be, Macroon and Merkle-quake). This doesn't make any sense to me because if all of the major world leaders are already on-board with the neoliberal New World Order then why the ongoing farcical show? Why the false flags and the obvious fake news in the mass media? Why the military posturing in the Middle East and the random bombings across Africa? Are the world's oligarchs just entertaining themselves or something?

Or are the people who claim that Putin is in on the neoliberal scam fools or, worse, cynical servants of the empire trying to disseminate FUD? Personally I believe it is the latter as the empire certainly has the resources necessary to flood social media with their tools. Furthermore, they don't hesitate to spam social media to promote the sales of carbonated sugar water, so why would they be shy about doing the same to promote their geopolitical interests?

"What I see Russia slowly moving to is Socialism with Russian Characteristics just as China's moving toward its version"

This is precisely what I see as well. I don't know if Putin's support for this process is grudging or if he is ideologically invested in it, like China's Xi appears to be. But perhaps it doesn't matter if Putin's support for this process is ideological or pragmatic as it clearly results in convergence upon a superior economic model all the same. That said, I don't see any evidence that Putin is a neolib at all like other posters suggest (just reread bevin's comment and that is not suggested in it).

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 6, 2019 12:34:31 PM | 96

Gruff: ... cynical servants of the empire trying to disseminate FUD?

Yup. Nailed it.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 6, 2019 12:46:46 PM | 97

I never become tired of the russiagate subject.
It is perfectly captures the abject corruption, arrogance and incopetence of our present state of government and democracy.

Of coures "russiagate" is a humorously ironic title its more like distract-and-confuse-gate.

Perfectly worthless summation of years of government and political wrangling.

Needs to be a childrens bedtime story. The problem might be it is rediculous beyond belief.

Posted by: jared | Jul 6, 2019 12:49:30 PM | 98

Gruff - what evidence do you have that Russia is moving towards socialism with Russian characteristics? What does this phrase even mean beyond yet another Orwellian politicised debasement of truth? Which appears to be your specialty as evidenced by your food fight flinging of other orwellian gems such as "corporate media narratives". Lol

You are already on board stating economics is a pseudo science so what science do you possess that allows you to "see" the developing socialism in Russia? Science requires evidence and validation. Facts please or your argument is nothing more than Dusty Springfield singing "wishin and hopin".

Taking sides with commenters with whose unsubstantiated opinions you agree is fine. Taking sides and accusing the other side, who back up their assertions with evidence, of being paid fakes (without yourself presenting evidence of this) is just dumb.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 6, 2019 1:13:15 PM | 99

To assass @99:

Putin’s Creeping Nationalization of Banks

Russia Re-Nationalizing Its Oil

Putin on track to nationalize companies: Expert

What Is the State’s Share in Russia’s Economy?

Russia has been socialist since 1917. There was a capitalist counter-revolution that got underway in 1991, but was halted and is now being rolled back. This roll-back is what has your masters upset with Russia these days. The articles above try to spin what is happening in Russia as a negative thing, but of course they are writing from an imperialist perspective and the changes in Russia are bad for the empire. These are actually very positive developments.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 6, 2019 1:59:19 PM | 100

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