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July 23, 2019

B(o)r-exit

The Ukraine elected a comedian for president. Great Britain felt a need to top that. The members of the ruling party thus chose a clown to become the UK's next prime minister.


Boris Johnson - bigger

Johnson will bury the remnants of the former empire.

My sincere condolences to people of Britain.

Posted by b on July 23, 2019 at 12:33 UTC | Permalink

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Actually the empire is not dying at all, the renewed threats and action against Iran will be focus for Boris and he will use it to gain support now as the new PM.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 23 2019 21:47 utc | 101

Imagine a world if every nation had a Putin-Lavrov combination to do diplomacy with, defending their nation (and people's) interests, speaking calmly and rationally, respecting other nations interests and negotiating on equal terms.

Posted by: PJB | Jul 23 2019 21:52 utc | 102

my biggest concern is what he's going to do with this increasingly militarized crisis in the Persian Gulf... May is leaving many messes and to me that's the most dangerous one for the world...

which of course Bolton sucked the brits into

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 23 2019 22:02 utc | 103

Yes, and as the Wicked Witch melted into a pool of ooze she still shrieked her threats until all that remained was her hat. You do know what the Witch represented, yes?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 23 2019 22:02 utc | 104

Posted by: Ort | Jul 23 2019 21:42 utc | 99

The entire world political class and most of the commentariat of the political class indulges in kayfabe.

"In professional wrestling, kayfabe /ˈkeɪfeɪb/ (also called work or worked) is the portrayal of staged events within the industry as "real" or "true", specifically the portrayal of competition, rivalries, and relationships between participants as being genuine and not of a staged or predetermined nature of any kind. The term kayfabe has evolved to also become a code word of sorts for maintaining this "reality" within the direct or indirect presence of the general public.[1]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe

Posted by: O | Jul 23 2019 22:07 utc | 105

The Epstein story is not dead. Talented journalist Lee Stranahan is writing a book about it.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 23 2019 22:16 utc | 106

Curious creature Boris. He confessed that while as a journalist visiting the scenes of death visited upon Yugoslavia by NATO bombings he mumbled “sorry, sorry” as he walked along. What this means is that in contrast to the appallingly ignorant Jeremy Hunt, Boris at least has witnessed the horror of war.

I fail to understand the enthusiasm for Brexit on this blog after so much has been discussed, especially over at naked capitalism. I thought Jack Rabbit gave a very good analysis of Yves Smith and her site the other day.

Brexit will not bring down the European elites which are far less dangerous in any case than American elites. Brexit will open open up the little that is left (the National Health Service, prisons, Rolls Royce Engines) to US private equity groups and the poor in Brtian will suffer even more. Corbyn has failed to take the initiative on this due to advisors who are from the pro-Brexit left. I used to be pro-Brexit before I saw the trap.

Posted by: Lochearn | Jul 23 2019 22:18 utc | 107

Posted by: O | Jul 23 2019 22:07 utc | 104

The Big 3 US, Russia and China have been doing technology transfers even when they are supposed 'enemies.

Posted by: O | Jul 23 2019 22:21 utc | 108

They've elected a (((clown))) alright -- or maybe just a (((clown))) a$$ kisser. To all those Brexit folks who think that it was worth electing this loser -- lol, you've just been had. He isn't there to actually deliver on Brexit. He is there to punish those who wanted Brexit in the first place. He will mess it up -- because he is supposed to! The most important thing he will accomplish (and why he was selected in the first place) is to send a message that those like Corbyn who don't jump on the pro-Israel bandwagon will be removed.

Just look the resident US (((clown))) in office -- Trump. His #1 priority isn't the US. He hasn't built that wall. He hasn't locked up Hillary yet. He hasn't done anything to help the white working class people who voted for him. But he has moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. And he has given the Golan Heights to Israel. And he has taken to task "the squad" and declared that they owed ISRAEL an apology for making Israel feel "abandoned".

LOL at all of you suckers who think that these guys are "mavericks". Well, they are free to be a maverick for about the length of the leash that Nutty-yahoo keeps them on. Talk about cucks! But, hey, enjoy the fantasy while it lasts. Must be nice to live in la-la land where you still believe that politics isn't an entirely corrupted business.

Posted by: scars | Jul 23 2019 22:35 utc | 109

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

This at least, in terms of the UK's shameless role as Head Vassal of the US Empire, and it is the empire which is surely the #1 concern for most barflies.

While Boris Derangement Syndrome picks up pace, in imitation of the hysteria against the big orange fella in Washington, I can only hope that the left/fake-left opposition to him remains opposition when he takes us towards the next conflict. Same as the opposition to Trump has translated into opposition to conflict with Iran. Oh, it hasn't.

Because it doen't matter who is UK PM, they will take and execute orders from MI6-Langley-Foggy Bottom and the stenographers in the press will compose shrill denounciations of the enemy of the day and the majority of the public will sadly recieve little information contrary to that narrative.

There is one narrative though, from the establishment, than many UK citizens have not swallowed. Contrary to the views of some commenters here, Brexit is not an establishment plot, but a popular revolt against the orders of the ruling class. That Boris is an Eton toff does not make him a spokesman of the ruling class - he is an unprincipled opportunist who has seized a desire for sovereignty among a majority of voters as a vehicle for his ambition for the top job.

Sovereignty. That principle which anti-imperialists take as central to the importance for nations not to be dominated by others, is also at the heart of the wishes of so many in the UK to be able to pass their own laws, spend their own money, and manage their own borders. It is ironic that Boris has positioned himself at the heart of the campaign to achieve this while getting his hands on the levers of British Imperialism, but in the grubby world of political contradictions, not surprising.

Oddly, ISTR he opposed the aggression against Yugoslavia at the time 20 years ago, though later rescinded his position, most likely with an eye on his career.

Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 23 2019 22:44 utc | 110

Any map on the conflict going on in Ukraine?

Russia, Ukraine Agree on Comprehensive Ceasefire in Donbass
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/07/22/russia-ukraine-agree-on-comprehensive-ceasefire-in-donbass/

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 23 2019 22:47 utc | 111

@T-Bear 93. Lord? Not me. I’ve lived the humble life. A motorcycle mechanic by apprenticeship but that never earned much so I became a maintenance fitter but that didn’t last long as M Thatcher closed all the factories down. So I became a Lorry Driver until I emigrated and started a small business until I was forced to retire early.
The ONLY labour politician I have any respect for is the late Tony Benn who helped save a well paying driving job for myself and many others in an industrial dispute that the company I was working for was involved in during the early nineties. I wrote to him thanking him and he sent me a charming letter back.
The labour I remember as I was growing up in the sixties and seventies weren’t anything like the original party formed for the working man, however after Blair became the leader, there was no difference between the parties at all.

Posted by: Beibdnn. | Jul 23 2019 22:50 utc | 112

Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 23 2019 22:44 utc | 109
"Sovereignty. That principle which anti-imperialists take as central to the importance for nations not to be dominated by others, is also at the heart of the wishes of so many in the UK to be able to pass their own laws, spend their own money, and manage their own borders. "

Serious question: Then why do you still put up with kings and queens?

Posted by: O | Jul 23 2019 22:50 utc | 113

@O, 112: well personally I don't wish to put up with kings and queens.

Getting rid of unelected technocrats in the EU should be just the start. Next to go should be the House of Lords, the Royal Perogative, and the role of judges in political decision making.

However much I cannot fathom their popularity, the royals still enjoy popular support so there is currently no demoratic mandate for their defenestration, much as I might wish it.

I'm not advocating the Romananov Solution. Exile in Canada should do it. ;-)

Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 23 2019 23:06 utc | 114

@106 lochearn... i don't understand why anyone would vote for boris, as opposed to corbyn.. does it all come down to a vote on brexit?

@109 ash.. thanks.. interesting comments..

Posted by: james | Jul 23 2019 23:08 utc | 115

*democratic
*Romanov

It's late. Please excuse the keyboard chaos.

Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 23 2019 23:09 utc | 116

@113 ash... i think most canucks wouldn't want that! thanks anyway...

Posted by: james | Jul 23 2019 23:09 utc | 117

@james

But I've watched South Park! She's the Queen of Canada! ;-)

Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 23 2019 23:42 utc | 118

And while we're on leadership of UK parties, a word about Jeremy Corbyn. Dear Jeremy.

I've seen him held up here and elsewhere as a beacon of hope, and I get that. He is my MP and I've been happy to vote for him in the last two or three elections that I've lived in his constituency as he is that most rare of beasts, an anti-imperialist Member of Parliament, as well as a decent man who has tried to look after his constituents.

Sadly though, and this is critical, his opposition to wars and interventions has no broad political base. As far as I can see, the much talked-about Corbynistas who have secured his party leadership, are more interested in posing as Social Justice Warriors than building an anti-war movement. They seem to be projecting their own agendas onto him rather than taking his lead on anti-imperialism. For me, their identity politics is a fake-left disaster which is basically the divide-and-rule strategy of the old ruling class.

The parliamentary Labour Party are Blairite warmongers in alliance with Tories and the media depicting him as an anti-semite who wants to put Jews on trains to gas chambers.

When stuff comes up like Skripal he puts up a bit of resistance to the narrative before collapsing under pressure. This illustrates the weakness of his position. And I don't want to bang on about the EU, but he was a lifeling left-Eurosceptic of the Bennite mold before abandoning that to secure his job as head of a pro-EU party - which means in this case both the Blairites and the Corbyinstas. So principles get binned for survival.

So sorry. Don't get your hopes up that he might get elected and reverse the foul, toxic foreign policies of the British State because even if he wants to he has as much chance of a stalk of wheat in a huricane.

Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 24 2019 0:11 utc | 119

Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 23 2019 23:06 utc | 113
"However much I cannot fathom their popularity, the royals still enjoy popular support so there is currently no democratic mandate for their defenestration, much as I might wish it."

For some reason this makes me think about a conundrum that I find very interesting in regards to human social dynamics. In particular finding what is the true nature of human organization by the contrasting anarchist philosophy and the almost universal acceptance of hierarchy.

Posted by: O | Jul 24 2019 0:12 utc | 120

@ O 119

Removing the westminster system and british establishment you are going to end up with what, a presidential system like US or France? Both (and others) display imperialistic tendency, in fact almost all systems do to a degree. I guess you could look to the most peaceful countries and hope for similar, I like the Swiss system but there must be others, and I have found some very hierarchical countries more than reasonable in practical terms, and in terms of freedom, aside from the more absolute restrictions that have to be respected and while they are functioning normally.

So there is a lot of illusion or allusion involved in how politics and hierarchy work, it helps to live in different countries to get some truer perspective of the others.

I think anarchy (classical) is a natural state, hierarchy is the organisation of duties, and those start quite naturaly also in family, but they are not institutionalised. Whenever people interact an order develops, so for example not everyone speaks at once, and where a decision must be made on behalf of all you end up with leadership. In real life there is rarely the time to discuss till unanimity is reached, to do so is disadvantageous, and so you end up with authority, or majority decision making.

The point is maybe that people are not going to make the world to what it isn't, you can dream of a perfect reality and destroy everything trying to create it, and it still won't work. So what we can do is to try to make it or rather allow it, to be the best it can be, and that starts with understanding moral and respect for others, only after that can a better society emerge. People being people I suppose it would demand eternal vigilance also.

Posted by: gzon | Jul 24 2019 1:31 utc | 121

I Love it! The British Empire is dead!

Posted by: William H Warrick III | Jul 24 2019 1:49 utc | 122

Schrödinger Cat or Persian Drone?

There is a Persian folkloric story , called "Morteza Ali's cat". Morteza Ali = Imam Ali, is the first Shea Imam.

The story says  a cat arrived and bowed to Morteza Ali. The cat was so cute, polite, and so beautiful that Imam cuddled the cat and his finger traces remained on the back of the cat. Now, if you take a cat and hold it face up and throw it up, it will come down landing on floor on four feet, because it's ancestor has received a sacred touch.

"Morteza Ali's Cat" proverb is used when ever some one is able to survive at any condition, like Persian Drone which was shot down by USS Boxer navy few time  but returned back safe and sound to the base with full video before and after incident with full GPS time-stamp and geolocation.

How many drones were brought down by Trump? only ONE?

But CENTCOM Commander Gen. Kenneth McKenzie told CBS News' David Martin in an interview Today: TWO? May be THREE? and may be more?!

See his interview  here.

Posted by: arata | Jul 24 2019 1:55 utc | 123

Really, outrage over Boris? Isn't he a less macho, modern version of Churchill?

Posted by: C1ue | Jul 24 2019 1:55 utc | 124

Posted by: gzon | Jul 24 2019 1:31 utc | 120

Thanks gzon, I always appreciate other people's views on this subject and I agree with you, in particular your last two sentences.
"So what we can do is to try to make it or rather allow it, to be the best it can be, and that starts with understanding moral and respect for others, only after that can a better society emerge. People being people I suppose it would demand eternal vigilance also."

Morals in my estimation is key. "Moral relativism" ,I think. is being pushed on humans both subliminally(media) and overtly(glorification of war). As a biologist I don't see morals coming from a religious construct but as an evolutionary by product for communal survival. People are falling for the lies of the social darwinist who wrongly believe that competition is what brings out the best in humanity while in actuality it has been cooperation that has made humans the dominant primate on the planet. In objective observation of the natural world the biosphere truly consists of interdependent symbiotic relationships to include humans. This simple truth is one that I think is being purposefully obscured.

"People being people I suppose it would demand eternal vigilance also." Yes, this "free will" to go against just biological programming (our irrational selves). I wonder if the reigns of power and control are in the hands of the most irrational people , for it seems the present system seems to cultivate if not outright rewards the sociopath and psychopath?

Posted by: O | Jul 24 2019 2:06 utc | 125

Imagine the IB contest attended by Sara Palin Boris Johnson .. MBS Netanyohu, and Trump trying to decide which among them who should win the least intelligent, most belligerent award ..

Posted by: snake | Jul 24 2019 2:06 utc | 126

Actually I am happy that Carrie S will be the leading lady taking important decisions from behind. Somehow I think ppl trust her more. People have voted BoJo for his fun value which is ok. We will see many seasons before Nov19.

Posted by: KD | Jul 24 2019 2:17 utc | 127

Boris will give it a shot with brexit maybe for 15 minutes. He will probably even attempt to call elections to get more brexiter MPs in order to force brexit. The brit elites and leadership will remind him if his coalition somehow fails which will be likely as Labor leads the polls, he will be out on the street and Corbyn would most likely take over.

After hearing those news Boris will quickly go back to the remain side and have a long tenure as Britain's bumbling idiot PM.

Posted by: Comandante | Jul 24 2019 2:31 utc | 128

You are too quick to judge.

Remember that Sancho Panza made a very good governor.

Posted by: Jiri | Jul 24 2019 2:56 utc | 129

You are too quick to judge.

Remember that Sancho Panza made a very good governor.

Posted by: Jiri | Jul 24 2019 2:56 utc | 130

@ O 124

My personal view, and I oblige it on no-one, is that intellect, physical evolution, society/culture/moral, and spirituality, all develop and interact on and with each other simultaneously, I find them expressive of each other.

Dogmatic religious belief or morals descended from that might be wholesome transmission of learning or might be an attempt to spark recognition of values that are nevertheless not properly understood, or at worst an attempt at forcing misunderstood interpretation on others. Either way, to me there is no particular reason why in essence they should not coincide well with evolutionary biology or social evolution.

I think social darwinism reduces to a certain freedom of choice within a cooperative structure, it cannot supercede it, and it seems to me wrong or even impossible for the cooperative to grant it primacy, it is simply allowed its place as long as it does not damage the cooperative on which it ultimately depends. If it is not symbiotic with the cooperative then it will be seen as predatory, and the cooperative will react in retaliation. If that adjustment does not take place that cooperative eventually fails. So to me it is a question of balance, and one which is more difficult in a world where the cooperative, that is society, is less tight knit, and where the structure of reward and learning is atomised or disseminated.

I have studied biology also, but even before that the realisation that without the natural world we are very empty was clear to me. Try imagining living in a rainforest to moving to central london to understand how stark this impression is for me!

I see free will as essential, but that the most basic outline of respect must be followed. We soon learn this normally, but I think most people are tempted to cross those limits at some point or another. I see the structure of power as partly derived from social pathos, so leaders will be seen to be so - I think it goes with the territory. The aim is to make sure that they cannot claim undue reward from that structure, nor use it to damage others. Psycopathy, well I guess any hierarchy of great power will attract some, or possibly create some.

Here is an interesting essay, you may have read it already, it brings into question the relationship of morals and science, for the sake of contemplation

https://matiane.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/poison-of-subjectivism-by-c-s-lewis/

Posted by: gzon | Jul 24 2019 3:34 utc | 131

The Johnson creep is lazy and acts the fool whenever he wants to divert attention towards himself or away from a topic he doesn't believe the peasants should worry their muddleheads over, but he isn't stupid.
Anyone who thinks he is, is stupid themselves.

He is prone to do odd things but one generally finds he has a reason.

Take for example the issue the neolib media climb all over him for. The time when for once Johnson told the truth, when he stood up in Parliament as foreign secretary and said Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been training Iranian journalists. She had indeed been doing that back in 2010 when US secretary of state Clinton snatched about $50 million outta taxpayers hip pockets, to blow it all on getting Iranian traitors to stir shit up post the Iranian election. Ratcliff had been working under contract to the BBC teaching the sons and daughters of mid-level thugs in the former Pahlavi regime to build websites, use social networking etc to spread malicious lies about the current regime.

The guardian, and the english edition of that greek slapper's scandal sheet, the huffington post, tried to make much of how Johnson made it impossible to spring Ratcliff because he "lied". Johnson didn't lie he told the truth and it is unlikely it was a mistake.

Johnson lives in BP's back pocket and has most likely promised them he will get their oil back. You see BP started off life as Anglo-Persian Oil in 1908.

By 1952 the name had changed to Anglo-Iranian but the Prime Minister of Iran decided since the english were cheating on the paltry royalties they had to pay and concealing the amounts they stole, he should nationalise the joint.

History sure rhymes because during the International Court of Justice dispute which the english subsequentally lost the english impounded an Iranian tanker, the Rose Mary in July 1952 in attempt to blackmail Iran.
We all know that the brits prevailed upon someone they believed was an anglophile american, kermit roosevelt, to lend cia assistance to the coup but the englanders had revealed themselves to be incapable of maintaining their empire so when they pulled the crazy Suez canal adventure the US let them fail & lose their empire, then picked up the best pieces for themselves and their Wall St mates.

So Johnson did Trump's bidding when he made sure that Radcliff was going to stay slotted up, as these small seeming soaps make it easier for england's media to put Iran in a bad light for the crime of punishing a traitor even though she is the wife of an englishman.
An important post Iraq non-appearance of WMD's prelude to 'kinetic conflict' - nah that is squirm stuff - WAR is the term I seek.

All this faffing has one thing worth watching for, if Johnson doesn't give way on the current tanker squabble, it will tell the world that Cretin a l'orange is fully supportive off the tough line on Iran, that it isn't some so-called deep-state or MIC plot undertaken without trump's consent.

Johnson is in the orange pocket, not bolton's dishevelled suit, meaning a showdown on the boats indicates Johnson, BP, Trump & Exxon are all aligned.

If the new english government goes for negotiation with Iran, then the rumours of Bolton being on the outer likely have some merit.

Posted by: Horatio Human | Jul 24 2019 3:59 utc | 132

Lochearn

apparently you don't read MoA widely enough.

Ive been calling out Brexit as a bad joke for months. And although only a lonely voice crying out in the wilderness (like John the Baptist), I'm not the only one.

(Like John Lennon).

Imagine there's no groupthink. It isn't hard to do.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 24 2019 4:04 utc | 133

BOJO and Brexit: a transparent subterfuge

BOJO has been referred to as Theresa May's jester. Jesters are a tricksters. Why anyone gives any credence to the supposed positions of a buffoon like BOJO is beyond me.

My expectation is that BOJO will continue with the establishment attempt to nix Brexit.

Theresa May couldn't call a re-vote because everyone knew that would be a ploy to fix the vote (explained as the populace not really understanding the implications of Brexit the first time 'round). BOJO's call for a re-vote after he fumbles renewed Brexit negotiations will be accepted because he pretends to be *FOR* Brexit.

He'll propose a vote on no-deal Brexit or some modification of Theresa May's plan that will be "hijacked" to include a 'remain' option. They'll be screams that Boris is incompetent or a fool (a viewpoint that he's deliberately fostered) but pundits will excuse him saying that the 'remain' option has no chance of passing anyway. Except it will pass!

It may well be the end of the UK/British Empire because it leads to a permanent attachment to EU. I think USA and EU establishment want UK in EU as part of block that keeps Europe firmly in the US/NATO orbit. UK may also be important in blocking Germany/EU's importing of Russian natural gas.

So, I'm expecting the worst because the Euro poodles have not show any ability to buck US/NATO and the EU people have still not shown a willingness to fight the establishment (Yellow Vest protests have not spread!):

> Brexit will be shot down;

> EU countries will join US/NATO against Iran (throwing off all pretense of supporting JCPOA - blaming Iran for breaching enrichment limits);

> Europe will buy LNG from US and/or Gulf States instead of Russia.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 24 2019 4:25 utc | 134

@ Jackrabbit with the story that the elite of the UK are somehow different from the elite of the US.

I posit that there is one empire of global private finance with many nation states playing their roles under this umbrella to make it look like there is no curtain behind which the real power moves the controls

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 24 2019 4:46 utc | 135

@118 ash.. thanks for the additional comments on corbyn and etc... i appreciate your perspective..

@133 jr... good comments jr and really goes into the bigger game being played here... as @134 psychohistorian notes and to which i tend to agree, there is one empire of global private finance with many nation states playing their roles under this umbrella.. the alternative view on this is that the rothchilds and soros are on opposite ends of this dynamic and thus a possible split is coming.. some want war on iran and some don't as they see what it will do to them.. some want brexit and some don't... trying to be open minded or ended here results in endless speculation.. bottom line - financial slavery for the rest of the planet can't go on forever, but perhaps a lot longer then i want to contemplate..

Posted by: james | Jul 24 2019 5:07 utc | 136

Sol Invictus @ 98

Today we learn Chump and his neo-confederates are greenlighting deficits as far as the eyes can see.

That has been going on long before Chump and will continue long after he is gone. It is called business as usual. The supply of dollars goes up, the value goes down...

Visualizing the Buying Power of the U.S. Dollar Over the Last Century

This is the system we live under, plan your life around it. Part of your retirement needs to go into untouched assets that will inflate. Chop it up in four parts for the ten year cycles. The fourth part you live off for 10 years until the next cycle turns.

That is, of course, if you have a pot to pee in. Most do not. In 30 years you dollar will be 10 cents of the value it is today if all goes as it has been since 1913. The run may get much worse that the last 100 years or so at some point going forward. It will not get better.

At this point the US and Britain might as well merge. God save the queen, God help us.

Posted by: dltravers | Jul 24 2019 5:09 utc | 137

My congratulations to the British people, though they should prepare for a bumpy ride.
Establishment politicians will always protect the establishment. Major change needs someone who is anti-establishment, like a drunk (Yeltsin), an idiot (Trump) or a clown (Johnson). They are in the demolition business, it is their job to take existing structures down to enable their successor to rebuild. Different jobs for different people, one needs a Trump, the other a Putin.

Posted by: Joost | Jul 24 2019 5:32 utc | 138

except johnson looks very much establishment to me, as does trump in a different sort of way... even yeltsin - a disaster - was on his way to building up the capitalist system as designed by harvard, before he was removed, but very much establishment.. i think you know just how anti establishment is by how much support they are getting.. i could be wrong - it is kinda the way i see it..

Posted by: james | Jul 24 2019 5:36 utc | 139

Thank you Jackrabbit #133,
If Bozo wants to pursue the matter seriously and avoid getting his cloth soiled by the EU sloths he can easily join forces with the Robin Tilbrook case currently before the courts. He can argue that the previous administration led (?) by Theresa May has already left as the Parliament resolution describes and the statutory termination date was March 2019 and that he is duty bound to adhere to that interpretation of law. Should the court harbour any doubt he could put a resolution to the House affirming its previous resolution.

Is that too complex? My UK comrades might blow me down with a retort which I would be pleased to consider.

Bozo is an artful dodger and I would assume such a tactic would render him well and give him clear waters to get on with manufacturing BS trade deals and means of polishing his turd.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 24 2019 6:12 utc | 141

In addition to my meager contribution above I might add that Bozo could offer an agenda of trade discussions (given that UK is no longer a member) to be had with EU as he is the sovereign UK government. Undoubtedly the EU will refuse to engage in a discussion that legitimises the brexit that they wont acknowledge.

Alternatively Boris could direct the EU to discuss matters with the recently elected Farage gang of heretics while he gets on with the dazzling business of getting trade deals here and there. Anytime the EU makes a direct approach he can respond that they are free to discuss with the heretic gang that neither he or the UK citizens recognise as their government or bearing any authority from their government.

It really depends whether Boris wants to brawl with Farage and heretic company or engage with the EU when he has an election in a near horizon to prepare for on the basis that he Bozo realised the brexit and got on with business. YES that's a dodgy ploy but Bozo is a dodgy boy and he would like to save the Tory party from what looks like a tawdry demise right now.

Bozo can't really give Farage a win because it will be at his own parties expense, he cant waste any time blathering with the EU foggy bureaucrats, he has to break the momentum of Labour, and most of all he has to steal a march on Farage and heretic third party. Once he affirms the UK exit, Bozo can constantly call out Farage as illegitimate and that he and crew should resign as they are a fifth column intent on wrecking the UK.

Its all a matter of sell and the UK press will kowtow.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 24 2019 6:45 utc | 142

Referendum was based on inaccurate or absent information.

He should not leave without a deal, and put the deal on a second referendum, or resign, to secure his comfortable place in history.

(Making Britain great again --despite colonies gone --may work too; but exactly how ? Services/banking is 80% of the economy; need to have somebody externally to service and to bank)

Posted by: Don Karlos | Jul 24 2019 6:47 utc | 143

I Love it! The British Empire is dead!

Posted by: William H Warrick III | Jul 24 2019 1:49 utc | 121

You've gotta be kidding! All that's changed is the nature of Empire, not its substance

Posted by: Barovsky | Jul 24 2019 7:27 utc | 144

Well, thing is, the vote never was "Would you leave the EU, granted UK still has a deal with it?", it was "Leave the EU?". No replacement deal was ever part of the question asked. If people thought they would still have one, they should get new glasses or learn to read. Getting mad because there's no good deal to replace EU membership or wanting to stay if there's no deal good enough, is ridiculous, considering what the vote was about.

Psychohistorian - 134
Well, I tend to consider most of the elite like the feudal lords of old. Often, for most of them, there's no deep attachment to their land and country, they aren't tied to them and would switch if a better opportunity arises, as long as they have more $$ (or lands, titles and wealth once ago). But it goes without saying that the neo-liberal globalization goes squarely against the nation-states that arose when the feudal order was contested and eventually became obsolete, when people finally realized their well-being depended on them sticking together and getting rid of the blood-sucking upper class.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jul 24 2019 8:04 utc | 145

Jack 133. Not much is to be expected from the Euro trash, I agree. Your scenario about scotching the Brexit is very possible. I still give a crash-out a high(er) probability - in fact these are well-nigh the only two possible outcomes (the third is another ‘extension’ - but everyone is getting fed up and one can feel the end-game looming, with events quickening.) Indeed, Bojo is replicating May in a way: high hopes and unicorns (my deal, best deal, new deal, Britain rises up etc.) which will meet reality now very quickly (EU intransigent) forcing a choice which may even be ‘accidental’ in the sense of not pre-ordained, or well planned for. In this sense, imho it is very fitting that Bojo be PM - he is suited to the situation. (And btw contributed greatly to creating it.)

I think USA and EU establishment want UK in EU as part of block that keeps Europe firmly in the US/NATO orbit.

Yes…but 1) Trump is President and not Obama (who advised against Brexit..) Trump has no love for the EU, the euro-weenies and NATO and wants MAGA which in his mind means transactions with individual heads of state and setting up advantageous ‘deals.’ And perhaps eating up the NHS..! 2).. but the no. 2 power in the EU, Macron, wants the UK out, to advance it’s own position (partnership with Germany - see treaty Aix la Chapelle) as the ‘bosses’, moving away from the tri-partite arrangement with the UK often - most often - siding with Germany and not France when disagreements arose (F. is basically a ‘southern catholic’ country to be brief. For ex. Hollande did everything he could to ‘help’ Greece against Germany and the UK, with no success.) With the UK out, only one EU country would have a right of veto at the UN.

UK may also be important in blocking Germany/EU's importing of Russian natural gas. The UK imports about 50% of its energy - it might be more - and this is one of the problems w. Brexit that nobody has mentioned it seems. It is just assumed the lights will stay on! Nobody in Europe (geographical) can afford to oppose import from Russia. (They may pretend, prevaricate, etc. and buy a little NLG…) and moreover the UK has always taken the side of ‘free trade’ with Germany. Now one could argue that that might change with the UK ‘out’

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 24 2019 8:41 utc | 146

Bad enough having one unelected leader, but two in row? Theresa May inherited the position of UK PM from David Cameron before calling a general election for the sole purpose of achieving a larger majority for her to be better able to negotiate Brexit. She did not achieve that aim and had to seek support from the right-wing DUP party to be able to form a government. The principled thing to do in such circumstances is to resign and call another election. But when did Tories put principles over personal ambition? https://bryanhemming.wordpress.com/2017/06/06/may-turns-winning-hand-into-busted-flush/

Posted by: Bryan Hemming | Jul 24 2019 9:25 utc | 147

Actually I am happy that Carrie S will be the leading lady taking important decisions from behind.

Posted by: KD | Jul 24 2019 2:17 utc | 126

Nah, she's more or less disappeared from view, only to be reported yesterday as arranging with her mother to move into a new apartment (which is "said" to be bought in common with Johnson, likely a politically motivated spin). Her absence from view is likely connected with the results of the famous bust-up in the middle of the night which had to be attended by the police. You know, it takes time to recover from a split lip and black eye. Johnson really isn't a very nice man.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 24 2019 9:46 utc | 148

EU threat UK again,

EU warns UK’s new PM: No revising of Brexit deal!
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/07/24/601724/EU-UK-Brexit-Leyen-Boris-Johnson

I guess EU still dont realize UK want to leave, so diktat from EU is useless.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 24 2019 10:10 utc | 149

It's like watching a Benney Hill show. :-/

Posted by: imo | Jul 24 2019 11:41 utc | 150

This is how it ends: not with a bang but with a wanker...

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 24 2019 11:42 utc | 151

8#,28#
No,Boris is certainly not stupid,but very arrogant.He is one of those persons,and there must be many of them,just like Ursula von der Leyen,Christine Lagarde and many others less well-known,that have been chosen a long time ago by the oligarchy to become later one of the leaders of the world.When those persons are aware of this fact,growing up,they can do anything stupid,falsify certificats,mis manage,show incompetence in he field that they are supposed to wield,nothing matters,they know very well that nothing can come between their follies and one day they will rule the world...
It should be our task,to single out those kind of future political personnel,being bred in every country,and oppose their coming to power.One hint:If you read in MSM undiluted praise for not-so-well-known upcomers note their names,it will be one of those.Think of all the praise John McCain got bestowed upon, a first rate war criminal.

Posted by: willie | Jul 24 2019 12:01 utc | 152

I disagree B, BJ could make the UK a force to be reckoned with. I admire his clownish behaviour, means he can laugh at himself and appear human.

Brexit is good for the Europe and other members should follow, Ireland should be next.

But you're German B, and the EU was Germany's plan to dominate Europe!

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 24 2019 12:08 utc | 153

Following JR's point #133 :

Will decoupling the UK from the EU reduce the latter's attachment to the US? I certainly felt so three years ago, and hoped that taking the British State’s Bellicosity-on-behalf-of-Washington out of the EU might reduce the malign influence and make it easier for EU countries to have an independent position, and perhaps even to develop more positive relations with Russia, weakening NATO and hopefully even breaking it up.

I have also wondered whether the opposite might be true, and that attitude and behaviour of Britain’s rulers could get even worse, without the ‘restraining’ hand of their European partners. Except I have seen no such restraint, even when, for example, France abstained from the Iraq Attack, to the fury of the US. It returned to the fold of course by leading the destruction of Libya. So in short, the EU is usually as loyal a vassal as the UK, so perhaps it makes no difference either way, but my feelings do still lean to the former notion, that Brexit could weaken NATO.

Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 24 2019 12:37 utc | 154

Someone above said whoever thinks Bojo is just an idiot is an idiot. I might partly agree. He is brilliant in some way otherwise he would just be a common richer who lives off his parents money.

But I add whoever thinks Bojo will deliver brexit is an idiot as well. As the many American idiots who believed Trp would drain the swamp.

Posted by: Comandante | Jul 24 2019 13:10 utc | 155

According to reports, Johnson is appointing an extremist cabinet of ideologues, mainly libertarian, so it's going to be a bumpy ride. My guess is that, being well known as having no principles, he may also be (like May) a prisoner of the far right faction in the Tory party. Not surprising, as he also has no majority in Parliament.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 24 2019 13:17 utc | 156

I can't believe some of the comments here! There is no nice way to put it--Boris Johnson is fucking stupid. Not just silly. Not just some awkward smart guy. He's fucking stupid, and this post from "b" is perfect. It's both figuratively sarcastic and literally true;)

Posted by: SharonM | Jul 24 2019 13:30 utc | 157

Posted by: SharonM | Jul 24 2019 13:30 utc | 157

Bojo may or may not be stupid, but what I do know is, he's a rank opportunist. People have short memories, Bojo at one time was a Remainer but quickly switched sides, hopefully to his own advantage, when he saw which way the wind was blowing inside that hangover from the 19th century, the Tory Party.

Posted by: Barovsky | Jul 24 2019 14:01 utc | 158

To quote Sayyed Ali Khamenei:"we thank Allah, who rendered our enemies imbeciles".

Posted by: Symen Danziger | Jul 24 2019 14:12 utc | 159

94# Karlof1

I am somewhat puzzled by your remark on a parallel with The Prisoner.Who is Alice? Considering myself a bit of a specialist on the series,after watching it entirely twice a year,because I like to find the underlying meaning of it,as well its inherent contradictions,I suppose you mean the young woman,number 58,in The Schizoid Man,that practices telepathy with number 6.Am I right?

Posted by: willie | Jul 24 2019 15:08 utc | 160

Have you found an underlying meaning to The Prisoner, Willie?

The ending only makes sense if seen as a bad acid trip, which it portrays rather well, I think, if rather uncomfortably. Certainly the 'we are our own jailer' message.

Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 24 2019 15:19 utc | 161

pardon the intrusion please but this point this article makes about Epstein is very important to our prior discussions on that point.
https://kurtnimmo.blog/2019/07/23/why-the-epstein-mossad-honey-trap-story-has-disappeared/

Posted by: snake | Jul 24 2019 15:41 utc | 162

PJB @ 102 said;"Imagine a world if every nation had a Putin-Lavrov combination to do diplomacy with, defending their nation (and people's) interests, speaking calmly and rationally, respecting other nations interests and negotiating on equal terms."

Absolutely!!!

Having a clown as national leader is going around nowadays, haven't you all noticed?

Posted by: ben | Jul 24 2019 15:53 utc | 163

@ Posted by: Ash (London) | Jul 23 2019 23:06 utc | 114

Well met, my fellow Ash -- I'll try to remember to use my entire handle instead of just the lazy version, though I suppose I could go with Ash (Cascadia)…

Your royals are indeed so popular that there is surprising fondness for them here as well. I don't understand it at all, but they are the subject of enduring fascination even among former subjects.

Posted by: AshenLight | Jul 24 2019 16:43 utc | 164

So actually, Marx was right, human existence is ALL about class struggle. One only has to look around the globe today to validate that view...

Posted by: ben | Jul 24 2019 16:54 utc | 165

Posted by: ben | Jul 24 2019 16:54 utc | 165

Yes, but only since we've had classes

Posted by: Barovsky | Jul 24 2019 17:02 utc | 166

Is it truly plausible that BOJO is in fact not very bright?
I would be surprised.

Has me wondering the same thing about Trump.
There's lots of talk about his tax records, but I don't hear much about his acedemic performance which seems more immediately apropos.
We do here his business performance has been a bit uneven.

Anyway, on quick search I do find this:
https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/trump-academics-at-wharton
Actually somewhat intewesting.

Seems like they (media) talk about what they want us to talk about.
They are conartists, hold tight to your wallet.

Posted by: jared | Jul 24 2019 17:05 utc | 167

Boris Johnson's cabinet cull: the departures

Johnson has now sacked all the moderates, or those who opposed him. So it's going to be a very narrow government of Brexit extremists. He didn't feel the need to keep a balance. All the while waffling on about governing for the whole people in his speech. It's acts, not words, that count.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 24 2019 17:12 utc | 168

Boris Johnson is a dangerous psychopath, his boyish charm is a classic symptom of that personality disorder, don’t be fooled by it.
————-
On this long thread, on all the media not onece have I heared or seen any connection made between Johnson and the terrible tragic ‘ Grenfell Tower ‘ fire costing scores of life’s.
Johnson gave the go ahead for the flammable cladding !
Johnson cut the number of fire stations and apliences in London !
Johnson before that fire attended a meeting of residents of Grenfell, concerned with the fire risk of that building, he told them to ‘’ shut up ‘’
I hate the smirk on that mans face.
You tube have surgically removed a huge amount of film regarding Johnson/Grenfell.
This monster is now the Prime minister of Britain.
Regarding Johnson/Grenfell has a D notice been put on the media ?

This is good - - -
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-prime-minister_uk_5d36c62ee4b020cd9948ea74

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 24 2019 17:13 utc | 169

"Will decoupling the UK from the EU reduce the latter's attachment to the US?" Ash@154

The main mistake that people, on both sides of the question, make about Brexit is to assume that leaving the EU leads to any particular outcome.
The truth is that-as the fact that both Tories and revolutionary socialists both support, it suggests- Brexit, like most forms of Exit, simply opens up possibilities.
When the door has been opened the choice of turning left or right lies before us.
Leaving the EU could lead to increased ties with the USA. Or Russia. With Canada or Iran. And the logical course, for working class people in the UK, is to make connections which will be most profitable: Iran would be very interested in working with the UK's enormous, underused and betrayed, technical and manufacturing labour and expertise. China would give a lot to establish itself on Airstrip One-not least because the UK is the HQ, globally, of the world's most important language.
The Tories want Brexit because they see it as a means of consolidating their role as partners in the maritime Empire- it has escaped their attention that the Empire is passing away. And the smart money is on alternatives-one of which is an end to empires altogether. But then Tories are like that, they are not very bright. Over Brexit they are useful idiots: they can deliver it but that is all. There is no need for the people to allow Johnson and Co to sell them-and their social aspirations, their longing for equality and fairness in the world- to the greedmongers in Washington.
As to the EU no good can come of it. It is increasingly clear that it is the re-foundation of the Austrian economists' favourite Empire, a project designed to preserve property against the masses whose pockets its rulers have picked.
Underneath the dissolving mask of the 'progressive' EEC of the sixties and seventies, which worked hard to earn the approval of the socialist current dominating society post 1945, is the old corporate plan, approved of by the fascists, of turning Europe into a clone of the USA ruled by a financial aristocracy wielding a steely state power intolerant of dissent and hungry for a new imperialist era, exploiting weaker countries and undefended nations.
There is one other consideration rarely mentioned: suppose, then that Brexit leads to closer economic ties between North America and the UK. This would not necessarily mean that such things as the Welfare State (of glorious memory) would be replaced by a US system of stripping the sick and the elderly of everything before they died. It might mean the opposite: ideas travel very fast in a culture with a common language. It could mean that while Boris would appeal to the crowd at Newport, the Hamptons or Martha's Vineyard, Jeremy Corbyn's policies would travel like wildfire through the rust belt and the historically marginalised communities, both ethnic and geographical. It could give great impetus to the rebirth of socialism in the United States and-dialectically- in the UK and Canada too.
The Wheel is still in spin: Brexit just takes the brakes off.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 24 2019 17:15 utc | 170

willie @160--

I posted a reply, but it was eaten by the Cloud Monster apparently and we'll need to await its defecation. But to relieve your suspense, It's Carroll's Alice I referred to.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2019 17:31 utc | 171

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 24 2019 17:12 utc | 168

Boris Johnson's cabinet cull: the departures

The thing is that it's actually only about 40 reactionary Tory MPs and the dark money-funded EPG who have run this entire con. The rumour (is it?) is that Bojo will call a snap election but I doubt it, the Tories would, at best, get maybe 25% of the vote and assuming he's not assassinated before he took office, we'd see Corbyn in No.10. The 'opinion' polls regularly play down Labour support and in spite of the vile witch hunt conducted against him, a good 50% of the population have been royally shafted by this govt and I doubt they'll ever vote Tory again (well I can dream can't I?) So I'm hoping against hope that Bojo's advisors advise him to call a snap election.

Posted by: Barovsky | Jul 24 2019 17:31 utc | 172

Leaving the EU could lead to increased ties with the USA. Or Russia.

Bevin, you forget that the UK is an Imperialist country and it's no accident that they talk about about an Anglo-Saxon Axis, US-UK. Bojo used to be a duel citizen US/UK citizen but renounced the US half (I think he had tax problems with the IRS) and all the evidence points to Bojo having fantasies about being a partner with the Empire (dream on, the US has NO partners). And it's US dark money behind the Brexit farago (or is thar Farageo?).

Posted by: Barovsky | Jul 24 2019 17:37 utc | 173

Sort of off topic but I guess it is something Bojo will be dealing with - China seems to be strengthening military presence in Hongkong

https://mobile.twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1154076280918290433

http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-07/24/content_9567703.htm

Posted by: gzon | Jul 24 2019 17:45 utc | 174

Sort of off topic

Sort of???

Posted by: Barovsky | Jul 24 2019 17:49 utc | 175

B @ 166 opined;"Yes, but only since we've had classes"

Think they've always existed in humanity, but maybe we've only recently given behavior that designation.

Even hunter gathers probably acknowledged better hunters with some status, which evolved into class distinction.

Just 'guessen...

Posted by: ben | Jul 24 2019 17:53 utc | 176

@ Barovsky 174

"Johnson will bury the remnants of the former empire."

Posted by: gzon | Jul 24 2019 17:56 utc | 177

After having read all of the comments, I like to ask a question.

Neither in the story, nor in the comment section, I found any remark about the Skripal affair.

Have you all forgotten how BOJO leaned himself out of the window, outdoing himself and his degenerate former boss by accusing Russia of poisoning the Skripals and whoever else with 'Novi-shock'?

And this pathetic liar and accuser of Russia with as much as ZERO evidence is now at the helm of HMS Titanic?

No wonder people can't figure out what's really going on in the world. Considering his rabid "The Russians did it" tripe as FM, he should have been barred from public office for the rest of his life.

Unless, of course, it's all nothing but low grade ham theater, with everybody playing their role - including the Russians. But I do remember the kind of actions this guy wanted to take against Russia, for 'highly likely' having been behind this fairy tale of a double agent and his daughter.

So, please humor me about how much you remember of the stellar performance of this utter joke calling for sanctions and worse against Russia.

Now what?

Posted by: nottheonly1 | Jul 24 2019 17:59 utc | 178

There are several other nations here in The Isles, all of which need to get clear of the ridiculous implosion of the fag-end of the English empire, currently going on in Britain.

Probably the Scots are going to achieve it first, to their considerable benefit when they do; and it's to be hope Eire re-unites, and Cymru achieves the status of independent republic too ASAP. Do us all a lot of good here. The sooner the last remnants of the damned English empire have finally been flushed away, the better it will be for all of us in The Isles, including the poor bloody rank-and-file English: the very first and longest sufferers of ruthless exploitation by the viciously-violent, deceitful, rabidly anti-real-democracy, self-perpetuating imperial English-raj class.

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Jul 24 2019 18:04 utc | 179

@ 178: 'Kinda proves the theory that our "owners" are mostly on the same pathetic page globally..

"No wonder people can't figure out what's really going on in the world. Considering his rabid "The Russians did it" tripe as FM, he should have been barred from public office for the rest of his life."

"Unless, of course, it's all nothing but low grade ham theater."


Think I'd omit the Russians, but think you're on to something.

Posted by: ben | Jul 24 2019 18:11 utc | 180

@176 "Even hunter gathers probably acknowledged better hunters with some status, which evolved into class distinction."

Seems like a safe guess. The best hunter gatherer became chiefs, their loyal assistants got to marry the chief's daughters and so on. The less efficient hunter gatherers got the leftovers. Until the revolution of course when the chiefs were replaced by new chiefs and everybody got an equal share.

Posted by: dh | Jul 24 2019 18:11 utc | 181

I notice a new mass-media counter-spin to deflect and dismiss the accurate perception that Boris Johnson is "The Village Idiot Laureate" of England that his detractors make him out to be-- this detractor, at any rate, since I coined that sobriquet after witnessing Johnson's penchant for offensive and mendacious blathering on any number of issues.

Now we are told that Johnson is, or was, a distinguished scholar with a keen intellect-- not only a masterful writer, but fluent in Latin. We are further assured that, not unlike his parvenu soul mate Donald Trump, Johnson merely "plays" the buffoon as a political strategy.

Even if true, these talents are not particularly relevant to holding high office in Western capitalist nations; it is Johnson's convincing, if faked, bumptious bombast and buffoonery that will carry the day.

However, if, say, the social-media mandarins choose to rebuild the Tower of Babel, Johnson's mastery of mendacious babble and dead languages will eminently qualify him for the post of Tower Concierge.

Posted by: Ort | Jul 24 2019 18:24 utc | 182

dh @ 181 said;"Until the revolution of course when the chiefs were replaced by new chiefs and everybody got an equal share."

Yep, absolutely....

Posted by: ben | Jul 24 2019 18:24 utc | 183

I hope a stake is hammered deep into its heart and it is buried deep, deep into the ground.

Posted by: William H Warrick III | Jul 24 2019 19:07 utc | 184

Studying antiquity is a good way to get insights into the current world that are not straitjacketed by current dogmas. Significant that Michael Hudson's latest research and writing is on the ancient world.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 24 2019 19:17 utc | 185

171~Karlof1.

Too bad,I know this texteating monster,that sometimes will eat one's thoroughly wrought comments.The girl I thought you meant her name is Allison.

161.Ash.

Well,it's underlying meaning is to warn about Free Masonry,or other worldwide organisation that wants the whole world to look like "the Village".This is stated in the second episode by Leo McKern as number two,with the music playin "he's a jolly good fellow",but in a minor scale.This is the same number two,who in the final mental breakdown duel of the avant-finale gives in to the prisoner,and reappears in the finale as one of three rebels.Indeed this finale has some hallucinating scenes,not in the least due to the use of the Beatles song'All you need is love"song that commences with the opening brass played notes of "La Marseillaise"To my memory The Beatles played this song live in the first worldwide television program live to have been seen by 800 million tele-owners in I don't remember how many countries.

The lesson Patrick MacGoohan as creator and main role of the Prisoner,is that people must think for themselves,not fall into the trap of cold war dichotomy.What it shows
is that the number two's in this world employ multitude of different tactics to break mentally submit control and manipulate mankind.

Posted by: willie | Jul 24 2019 19:18 utc | 186

willie @186--

I recall Allison. I also think The Prisoner like Lewis Carroll's chronicles of Alice has within it a timeless message provided people are capable of deciphering it as you have.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2019 19:52 utc | 187

Well, now with OJ as President and BOJO as PM, the plan to discredit political power and transfer more authority to the BIS crowd is well underway.

Posted by: OutofThinAir | Jul 24 2019 20:12 utc | 188

Mark Curtis on the changing of the guard:

"May joins a long list of postwar PMs allowed to leave office with impunity for their complicity in war crimes: Attlee (Malaya), Churchill (Kenya), Eden (Egypt), Macmillan (Cyprus, Yemen), Wilson (Nigeria, Aden), Blair (Iraq), May (Yemen). UK needs transformation in governance."

And as the first commenter noted--"You forgot - Cameron - Libya." Next one adds, "And Ireland."

I don't think Curtis could have compiled all the crimes given the restriction on post length. Interesting none are named for Palestine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 24 2019 20:47 utc | 189

@174 gzon

The reports that there are new troop movements into Hong Kong is false, these are not even rotation pictures.

OTH the threat of use of army is being loudly broadcast and is real, and an escalation, is being widely reported. These protests will not stop in my opinion, the move that would be sensible by China would be to withdraw (not suspend) extradition, demonstrate some renewed commitment to treaty, and return to a status quo that should continue for the following decades. This is not so much to ask, is due, to do otherwise will just provide reason and method to opponents of Chinese policy.

Posted by: gzon | Jul 24 2019 20:59 utc | 190

I'm going with Bevin@170:

"...Jeremy Corbyn's policies would travel like wildfire through the rust belt and the historically marginalised communities, both ethnic and geographical. It could give great impetus to the rebirth of socialism in the United States and-dialectically- in the UK and Canada too.
The Wheel is still in spin: Brexit just takes the brakes off."

The winds of change are good! It's why I have been in favor of Brexit, (coward that I am when I visit Nakedcapitalism). It seemed possible for the UK to grow small again and to have its own opinion about things. Be more like Alice.

But then, I'm a kiwi at heart. I love small.

Thank you, bevin. After the dinosaurs, the wee mammals got their turn. After us? Who knows?

Posted by: juliania | Jul 24 2019 23:51 utc | 191

@191 juliania

I was struck by that concept also, the osmosis of social ideas spreading from UK to US.

I wanted to repost the latest episode of Renegade, Inc that I posted in the open thread. I like the show because it holds real discussions based on true economics that are totally on point for a large mass of people in the UK. The shafting of the ordinary person has gone a little further there, I think, than in the US, or perhaps it's felt with more indignation because a former dignity can still be remembered.

Thatcher’s Museum: Are we living in it?

In this discussion two author/economists actually end up talking about concrete ways to transition the UK economy from a neoliberal one to a socialist one. I think some of these ideas could, in the UK, take on large political weight, and even force some change. If the UK is the petri dish where much of this imagining could grow, then bevin's thought that the ideas could spread stateside means that it could include fully formed examples crossing the Atlantic.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 25 2019 4:11 utc | 192

BOJO ancestor has Ottoman roots?

Johson's great-grandfather Ali Kemal was an Ottoman journalist and politician who served
for three months as interior minister in the government of Damat Ferit Pasha.

See the news from Turkish news paper here

Posted by: arata | Jul 25 2019 7:52 utc | 193

nottheonly1 #178, thank you for that timely reminder of "ham theater" as I recall there was an intimate encounter between a boar's head and Boris at some feast attended by Cameron and other unworthy scumbags. Does anyone have a reference?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 25 2019 9:50 utc | 194

@ arata 193

Tradition in the west is to transfer the surname by patrilineal means, so this means Boris Johnson's "true name" would be Boris Kemal. Ali Kemal would have been Shia I think, with mother from Circassia , and maybe you know some of the Turkic tribal origins that also are interelated with the region. In perspective it is a small but significant part of his ancestry.

Posted by: gzon | Jul 25 2019 12:20 utc | 195

@bevin #170
I freely admit I haven't followed closely, but hasn't Corbyn been more than a little ambivalent on Brexit? I do recall his responses to Cold War II by the UK as been distinctly mealy-mouthed.
Yes, his domestic policies are generally progressive.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 25 2019 17:10 utc | 196

When the City pulls the plug on Deutsche Bank, Great Britain will indeed become the Island Of The Blessed.

Posted by: Christoph | Jul 25 2019 20:02 utc | 197

First up, love the site, but I have to disagree with you on Boris. Quick bit of detail, Britain’s famous Public Schools were originally set up to educate the children of the middle classes so that they could actually run the country while the aristos got on with basically huntin’. Shootin,’ fishin’ and generally being wastrels with a bit of farming on the side. As such places like Eton Westminster and Winchester have always had Scholars, who are basically super bright kids that get to go there for free while the Oppidans (as non scholars at Eton are known) have to pay around $50k a year. The notion of ‘the cream of British Society’ (ie rich and thick) going to Eton - as Oppidans - was certainly the case in Boris’ day, but in fact nowadays there is a super tough entrance exam that weeds out the dim offspring of society such that the place is basically nothing like the caricature portrayed by the class warriors.
Second point, and interestingly when I posted something to this effect on both the Times and the FT it subsequently disappeared (so I must be on to something!). The story isn’t so much about the UK remaining in the EU as it is about the continuity Blairites remaining in power. They are our ‘deep state’ and have been in power since 1997, it was just that they switched ‘hosts’ in 2010 and transformed the Conservatives into Blu’ Labour. When David ‘heir to Blair’ Cameron was forced into calling a referendum ahead of the 2015 Election in order to fend off UKIP, a promise he expected never to have to keep assuming that he would be in another coalition with the Lib Dem’s who would veto it, we saw them break cover for the first time. The full weight of the arts and media/legal/political/academic/crony capitalist London centric bubble swung into action, with Blair and his fellow globalists all over the media telling the British peasants that voting to leave the EU would be a terrible, terrible thing. To their horror, they lost, but like the Dems in the US simply decided to refuse to acknowledge the fact. Their dominance of the narrative meant that instead of simply Leaving the institutions of the EU, as 9 of the 12 regions of the UK had voted for (exceptions, Scotland, NI and London) , that’s 2/3rds of Parliamentary constituencies or 17.4m people, we now had the notion of ‘hard Brexit’ where the economy “falls off a cliff” and ‘crashes out’. The political reason to exit a rapidly evolving superstate where the stealth constitution that is the Lisbon Treaty is turning nation states into regions is ignored completely (as there is no answer) and everything is about insisting that the extreme projections of Project Fear are certain. Very clever use of words, well they are all in PR, marketing and advertising. Meanwhile, despite over 500 MPs voting for article 50 to actually make this happen and both major parties standing for an Election in 2017 that had this as a manifesto pledge, the Blairite media continued to refer to the dwindling band of MPs that still had the courage to pursue the path that the electorate had asked them to as Brexit Ultras and extremists.
The Blairites were ruthlessly effective in the early days in installing Teresa May to make sure we just pretended to Leave but didn’t really, while the spinmeisters ran a three year campaign for “a people’s vote’ where Britons would get the choice of voting for something really terrible (May’s deal) or not leaving at all. Project fear went on steroids with ‘No deal Brexit” was presented as some form of economic apocalypse and the Blairite shock troops playing games with the (unwritten) constitution.
Sadly (for them) May couldn’t manage it, helped, once again by Farage, this time with the Brexit Party and , hard as they tried (especially the Times and FT which is probably why they nixed my comments) Boris has now got in and whatever else he is, I don’t believe he is a Blairite or in the pockets of the Multi Nationals and their lobbyists. As such I believe he will deliver Brexit. Meanwhile, the Blairites are having to leave their ‘host’ and find a new one and are now split between taking over the Lib Dem’s or re-infesting Labour. The latter is their preferred option as it has a bigger infrastructure and ‘tribal vote’ but they need to get rid of Corbyn first. The Times, FT, BBC, Sky etc are all onto this already and are trying to engineer a coup. Oh yes and meanwhile the Boris haters are having a might tantrum.

Posted by: Mark T | Jul 26 2019 5:26 utc | 198

In my comment @134, I was skeptical that BoJo will deliver Brexit.

The game that's being played is now clear: Corbyn is asking that the Government seek approval from the people for their Brexit plan and he that Labor will support REMAIN if there's to be a Brexit with little if any support provided to workers and others that will be most stressed.

See the relevant part of Corbyn's remarks here (about 7 minutes into his response to BoJo's statement).

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Dishonest and anti-Democratic

While touting the democratic imperative to respond to the will of the people, BoJo intends to derail that will by making leaving the EU an unacceptable outcome to the majority of British citizens. Not only does BoJo demand what the EU has already said it can't deliver - forcing a disasterous "no deal" Brexit - but he adds post-Brexit policies will burden the people of Britain in a way that Labor and the Left can not accept.

This is NOT responding to the will of the people, it is forcing the Left to demand a vote that would be unnecessary if the Tory's acted in good faith. The contrived choices of such a vote are meant to defeat the will of the people and ensure that the establishment's desire for REMAIN will prevail (possibly with some election irregularities to be certain).

As I previously noted, May could not call for a Brexit re-vote. But a pro-Brexit PM - or the opposition, if suitably enticed - can do so. A re-vote has been the dream of REMAIN-ers for a very long time. They argue that the people erred by voting for Brexit because they didn't understand the difficulties/hardships that a Brexit would cause.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 27 2019 4:25 utc | 199

@Alexander P | 1
sorry but calling Merkel 'mediocre' is laughable.

@aspnaz | 3
"the aristocracy mad Britain" - you really need to learn about British history.

Johnson is of course deeply establishment and will serve only the interests of the establishment. Nothing of any substantial benefit to the people of the UK will arise from this sham.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Jul 27 2019 7:36 utc | 200

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