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July 13, 2019

A Plausible Theory Of What Jeffrey Epstein Was Actually Doing

The first Jeffrey Epstein thread has grown a bit long. Here is a follow up.

For an introduction to the Epstein case please read this.

A question that no one could so far answer is how Epstein got as rich as he appears to be. A person who calls himself Quantian has an interesting theory of what Epstein was actually doing.

Here is the short version:

Epstein offered the post puberty teenyboppers he seduced and/or bribed to the rich people he knew. He invited lots of interesting people - artists, scientists, politicians, rich businessman - to his exclusive parties. There were always these young girls around. There was always a free bedroom. There were also cameras in place. When one of the rich guys messed with a girl Epstein would blackmail him.

But instead of taking cash he asked them for investments in his offshore hedge fund. For someone who owns billions it is peanuts to put a few dozen millions into a fund. It is legal. The money isn't gone. It will even bear interests.

Epstein is not known for having done much currency trades or other larger Wall Street transactions. His company is small, he didn't work a lot. It is likely he mostly re-invested the money in a simple index stock fund which follows the S&P 500. Those type of funds brought over the years quite a good profit.

Epstein would have taken the typical hedge fund fee of 2/20 which is 2% of the investment per year plus 20% of the profits. The hedge fund would be completely legal and there would be no tax troubles. The entrapped people would simply have to stay invested to keep Epstein quiet and the video tapes off the broadsheet market. Some billionaires might have invested upfront to gain access to the girls.

For Epstein the scheme would have been a very elegant way to pursue his personal 'hobby' while creating an ever growing income.

Quantian's theory sounds very plausible to me. It conforms with everything that is publicly known about Epstein and about what he was doing. It does not require any additional conspiracy theory about Mossad/Mafia/CIA involvement. But it also doesn't exclude that there is some.

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I remember watching "Our Friend the Atom" on the Disney TV show in the 1950s. Apparently it was at the behest of the Eisenhower administration.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 17 2019 15:46 utc | 301

Israel seems to be the nexus for targeting vulnerable, non-Jewish communities to further their own agenda as evidenced by the Jihadi proxy army in Syria and poor underage women.

This would be reprehensible if it were some private individual that was behind it, but when there is state sponsorship, it rises to a crime against humanity.

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Ghislane Maxwell's involvement with Epstein and Acosta's admission that Epstein "belongs to intelligence" almost certainly add up to a Mossad connection.

Commenter 'somebody' attempts to deflect and misdirect to protect Epstein and Mossad. In doing so, he's also blaming the victim: the non-Jewish communities whose members have been preyed upon.

'somebody' has also been a strong advocate for open borders - a policy that would politically weaken Western countries that adopt it. In contrast, Israel maintains one of the most closed borders of any country.

It's already clear to most that Israeli apologists will excuse any Israeli crime, no matter how ghastly. But it's now more clear that ever that we are all Palestinians in the eyes of the crime-syndicate known as the State of Israel.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 17 2019 15:56 utc | 302

I also remember Wernher von Braun and other German scientists working for the U.S. government appearing on the Disney show during the 1950s.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 17 2019 15:58 utc | 303

Jackrabbit,

Remember that Mossad and the CIA have a long history of working together, since the days of James Jesus Angleton.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 17 2019 16:02 utc | 304

There is a NBC video now making the twitter rounds showing a 1992 Trump celebrating a party in Mar al Lago, very much into Jeffrey Epstein standing next to him with Ghislaine Maxwell in the background.
Trump is a teetotaller, afraid of germs, and usually goes to bed at 10 o'clock. He was showing off to the media pretending to have fun. The women look very healthy, are no models, but the Buffalo Bills cheerleaders. A PR exercise.

I would say that the guy standing next to them is John Casablancas of Elite Model Agency.

This here is John Casablancas in 2004

Mr. Casablancas, who sits on the board at Trump Realty Brazil and calls himself a ''lifestyle consultant of sorts'' for the resort's planning committee, predicts that Villa Trump will be such a success that it will end up having to turn people away.

This is his obituary in 2013 - the sanitized version

Casablancas was frank about his personal preference for girls of only just legal age – "child women". His relationships were far beyond complicated, though he denied the rumours that he had charmed entire portfolios of Elite employees into bed.

His 1978 marriage to Christjansen ended because of a very public affair in 1983 with the model Stephanie Seymour, aged just 16; in 1993 he married Aline Wermelinger, 17, whom he had met as a schoolgirl entrant in an Elite contest in Rio de Janeiro.

This here is the unsanitized version.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 17 2019 16:32 utc | 305

lysias

Understood. They work together but they also do a lot separately, like developing sources of information.

It appears that this is also an 'op' that was funded and "legitimized" by wealthy Jewish Zionists from US and Canada. That, plus Ghislane's involvement, indicates that Epstein was much more likely to be Mossad-connected than CIA-connected.

CIA was likely not involved until Epstein+Ghislane faced prosecution. That's why Epstein got a light sentence from Acosta - it would have been CIA that told Acosta that Epstein "belonged to intelligence". This didn't mean that Epstein was a CIA asset, but that CIA had negotiated a deal with Mossad.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 17 2019 16:36 utc | 306

The head of the Dalton School that mysteriously hired college dropout Epstein to teach math and science was Donald Barr, a former OSS officer who wrote a novel about sex slaves. His son William Barr, the current AG, went to work for the CIA right after getting his M.A. So a CIA family gave Epstein his start. The CIA was into psychological manipulation of people.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 17 2019 17:04 utc | 307

Investigate Angleton's career. As chief of OSS counterintelligence in occupied Italy 1944-6, he developed a close relationship with what would become the Mossad and Teddy Kollek in particular.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 17 2019 17:17 utc | 308

lysias @299--

Thanks for making that connection. IMO, Epstein worked for CIA/Mossad is numerous fashions as a Laundry Man. Nice trinkets he had in his safe. Prosecution's adamant he ought to be denied bail. But what more might further discovery reveal that wasn't during the earlier trial? Otherwise, the Epstein chatter has sure quieted.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2019 17:21 utc | 309

Dershowitz returned to Twitter, but it didn't last long as he was pilloried in his attempt to defend himself. I thought the following comments apt:

"Alan, I hope you realize that nobody believes you. Many years from now, the most fitting inscription for your headstone will still be 'I kept my underwear on.' Sad and pathetic."

"AlanDershowitz visited #JefferyEpstein ~ 65 times and only got one massage by a woman named Olga, who mysteriously does not appear in Epstein’s infamous masseuse black book. And in his next life Alan will reappear as #Pinocchio."

"'I kept my underwear on' is the new 'I didn't inhale'."

"Remember if your underwear stays on you are invisible."

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2019 17:42 utc | 310

He probably kept the old passport to prove that he had really been a spook at some point. In case his mentors would drop him, as they do now.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 17 2019 19:31 utc | 311

In that Mar al Lago event 1992 making the rounds Trump clearly WANTED to be filmed with Epstein and John Casablancas. The two certainly did not come to see the Buffalo Bill's

Why? Because Epstein was a financer and Casablancas famous for super models?

Anyway, in 1996 he bought the Miss Universe pageant.

In 1996, Trump attended the Miss Universe pageant, which was being co-hosted in Paradise, Nevada, by the second of his three wives, Marla Maples. Trump heard that the owner of the organization was putting the business up for sale. “How could I pass up the opportunity to own the world’s premiere beauty pageant?” he later wrote. As with so much regarding Trump’s finances, the price he paid for it is something of a mystery. In “The Art of the Comeback,” he wrote that he beat out several competitors with a bid of ten million dollars; in subsequent interviews, he said that he had paid only two million.

Miss Universe is a completely different business model from a model agency.

Ms. Kan became a household name in both China and the USA after she presented educational and cultural television programmes in both countries. Her popular line of makeup tailored to Asian skin has brought Chinese fashion into the mainstream, and she has also authored many books on cultural matters.

In her lecture, Ms. Kan explained that the Miss Universe competition is the largest and most watched beauty pageant in the world. About 90 countries participate each year, and the televised programme draws in 1 billion viewers in 190 countries. She told the audience that in the past, the Chinese contestants did not do very well in Miss Universe, and she became involved in the pageant because she was determined to turn China into a strong competitor.

During her presentation, Ms. Kan also shared details about the Miss Universe business model. Income is generated from regional auditions and from sponsorships. She explained that Miss Universe also acts as an agent for the finalists, putting them in films and advertisements. Media partners have been crucial to the growth of Miss Universe, and maintaining a presence on social media has also helped to grow the brand. Ms. Kan mentioned that Touch Media in Chinese taxis has become a particularly powerful advertising tool.

My guess is, Trump tapped into CIA's "soft power" department and Jeffrey Epstein may have financed it. He certainly did not go to the Soviet Union in 1987 without talking to the CIA. From the above New Yorker link:

Trump’s interest in the country goes back to the days of the Soviet Union. His first book, “The Art of the Deal,” published in 1987, begins with an account of a typical day in his life, including a phone call with an acquaintance who conducted a lot of business with the Soviet Union. “I’m talking about building a large luxury hotel, across the street from the Kremlin, in partnership with the Soviet government,” Trump wrote. “They have asked me to go to Moscow in July.” Later that year, he did go to Moscow and what was then Leningrad (now St. Petersburg), but his plans to build there never came to fruition.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 17 2019 20:00 utc | 312

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"In short: he can't run such a scam until he had joined the inner sanctum, and that's where the real question lies i.e. how did he get into that inner sanctum in the first place? "

That is also my question.
How did he get entree into the CFR, the Trilateral, Harvard, other foundations? He has no academic or foreign policy background or credentials. Someone "inserted" him in those orgs. Who?

Just as someone or something set him up with the bucks and real estate to be seen as a major financial player, when he was not. Epstein is a Potemkin person, he is a creation of someone or, more likely, something. something like maybe Mossad? With its rich agents all over the place, ready to fork over big American bucks to create this Potemkin player?

Posted by: Really? | Jul 17 2019 23:53 utc | 313

Apparently, Epstein used his Austrian passport to enter and exit France, Spain, the UK, and Saudi Arabia in the 1980s. This case is getting more mysterious all the time.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 18 2019 0:14 utc | 314

#217
"Lozion @215: The similarity to the Grove had occurred to me as well. I believe that Epstein's operation, like the Grove, was not a blackmail operation at all, but served a different function entirely. "

this is my thought, too. That Epstein created a "club," kind of like a secret sociaty such as Skull and Bones, where people engage in rituals in rder to cement their loyalty and keep them in the "program." Sexual actitivites, in particular with other males or with minors, would be one such activity. Not so much for the black mail aspect as for the psychological control aspect: People bond psychologically when "normal" barriers are broken down and they expereince "abnormal" or deviant or extreme sensations and feelings together. those who control these experpiences acquire a lot of power over the people whom ehty have "led" or initiated. that was also the role of, say, a certain individual whose name I will not use because I do not know legal ramifications of doing so. So I know who this individual is. Of him (and others) I have read that he gained psychological control over people by taking them on extreme LSD trips where they lost control of themselves and became dependent on Lyman. This was also the dynamic that developed at Synanon. Extreme forms of communal sex can serve the same function as the drugs and psychological abuse that went on at Synanon. This might be a dynamic that links the Bohemian Grove shindigs with the type of ritualized partying that went on at Epstein's island that created a kind of "blood bond" among the people involved.

It would be too precious if the gross-out disgusting Alan Dershowitz got himself involved in this because he is a horrible social climber and exhibitionist. In his younger days he would prance around naked and playing volleyball at the "natural" beach on Martha's Vineyard (I don't think this stretch of beach is still devoted to the "naturals"). People laughed at him.

Posted by: Really? | Jul 18 2019 1:02 utc | 315

Really @313--

Good! You are trying to determine the root, the beginning, of Epstein's operation, which is what I've constantly suggested. The links all point to CIA, and the timing relates to the need to launder the overwhelming amount of drug monies generated by the Crack Invasion/Contra Financing, although the CounterPunch article exploring Epstein as a front for science funding proves another portal into his roots.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 1:09 utc | 316

316 Cont'd--

Really? your 315 idea is quite similar to my idea that Epstein's operation mimicked that of Hefner's--an exclusive societal club where members were likely to be assured of their behavior being protected instead of the widely held notion that the operation was to establish blackmail potential.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 1:15 utc | 317

#293
Re Pretty Baby, here is the "auction of Violet" scene from that movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMYIXoFGcQ

Posted by: Really? | Jul 18 2019 1:19 utc | 318

I appreciate Really? and karlof1 keeping the open-minded speculation going regarding ritual aspects and other incentives beyond simple blackmail. I think that's much closer to the dynamics at play.

I was watching something recently (sorry, can't recall where) about what the fall of the Soviet Union created in terms of a huge power vacuum in the newly independent eastern block countries. that vacuum was naturally filled by organized criminal networks. what this guy described as having happened over the years is a slow elevation of these criminal networks, through the kids of crime families, into the diplomatic sphere--an extra layer of protection for running drugs, arms and humans.

that makes a lot of sense, and explains why HillKill wanted the State Department for her dark dealings.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 18 2019 1:48 utc | 319

Yale graduates like Angleton played a big role in the formative years of the CIA. I assume many of them belonged to secret societies like Skull and Bones, where sexual secrets were shared.

When I was at the Army Language School in 1969, I had a roommate in Army Military Intelligence who had belonged to one of the secret societies at Yale. I was able to worm out of him a lot of the secret stuff he had been taught at Army MI school, but I could never get him to tell me anything about his Yale secret society. Such were his priorities.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 18 2019 2:07 utc | 320

karlof1 @316:

The links all point to CIA ...

What are ALL the links that point that way? How do they overcome the links that point to Mossad?

The only CIA connection that we know of is Acosta's lenient Non-Prosecution Agreement. That was probably done to protect the dozens of powerful Americans that were caught in Epstein's influence operation as well as relations with Israel (via a CIA-Mossad negotiation).

... and the timing relates to the need to launder the overwhelming amount of drug monies generated by the Crack Invasion/Contra Financing...

Links? I haven't seen anyone make such a connection.

Epstein's money has been traced to Lexner, and possibly the Hoffenberg scam. Prosecutors in NY have identified a net worth of a mere $550 million (not billions). Convicted fraudster Steven Hoffenberg scam's generated well over $400 million that was never recovered and Wexner gave Epstein his Manhattan home now worth about $77 million. And Epstein boasted that he worked for billionaires that wanted not so much to make money but to safeguard their position - this sounds a lot like The Mega Group.

It sounds very much like Epstein laundered Hoffenberg's dirty money with the help of the Mega Group, gaining their trust by conducted an influencing operation for Israel with Ghislane/Mossad support.

... the CounterPunch article exploring Epstein as a front for science funding proves another portal into his roots.

I don't see how it proves anything - especially with regard to the CIA connections you are suggesting. Epstein was buying respectability via his Harvard investment and deepening his influence operation with scientific connections.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 18 2019 4:32 utc | 321

Really? @316:

Not so much for the black mail aspect as for the psychological control aspect ...

Blackmail vs psychological control? I'm not sure if there's much difference as either can result in money or valuable favors.

I've seen many references to Epstein's having recording devices and Epstein CERTAINLY KNEW of the power that such recordings could provide to him or organizations he was associated with (like the Mega Group or Ghislane/Mossad).

Here's Vicky Ward describing Epstein's manipulations and threatening behavior during the time she was working on a profile of him: I Tried to Warn You About Sleazy Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein in 2003

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 18 2019 4:45 utc | 322

karlof1 @317:Epstein's operation mimicked that of Hefner's--an exclusive societal club

You are really stretching here.

Playboy and the Playboy Clubs did business openly. Epstein's child sex service was secretive.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 18 2019 4:59 utc | 323

Ed, a New Zealand Youtube blogger, does a good job of listing 30 things about the Epstein case in 30 minutes. It becomes unassailable that Epstein is an asset of Deep State Intelligence agencies particularly Mossad:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zsx3tkhnppU&t=41s

On his ‘The Outer Light’ Youtube channel, Ed has several videos of drone footage of Epstein’s island. It certainly appears it is probably full of underground facilities.

Posted by: PJB | Jul 18 2019 5:36 utc | 324

the cia and mossad connections must be pretty deep.. i suspect it would be hard to separate what is coming from what.. lysias probably already said this too, to which i agree..

Posted by: james | Jul 18 2019 5:44 utc | 325

Titans of Industry Join Forces To Work for Jewish Philanthropy

When movie mogul Steven Spielberg, Seagram Chairman Edgar Bronfman Sr. and former hedge-fund manager Michael Steinhardt met at Mr. Steinhardt's Manhattan apartment last month, the main topic was neither films nor high finance but considerably more complex than either: being Jewish.

The three men, among others, were convened for a meeting of the "Study Group," also known informally as the "Mega Group," a loosely organized club of 20 of the nation's wealthiest and most influential Jewish businessmen. Formed seven years ago by Leslie Wexner, chairman of Limited Inc. and Charles Bronfman, Edgar's brother and Seagram Co. cochairman, the group meets twice a year for two days of seminars on topics related to philanthropy and Jewishness. At the April meeting, Mr. Spielberg spoke about his personal religious journey, and then the group discussed Jewish summer camps.

Israeli Spies: 'Mega Was Not an Agent; Mega Was the Boss'

Charles Bronfman reflected the Mega Group's propensity for secrecy, when he told the Journal's Lisa Miller, "From the beginning we didn't want to be seen as a threat to anybody. And that still pertains. We don't want to be seen as the Sanhedrin," a reference to the highest court of the ancient Jews. "We don't want to be looked at crooked." Charles' far more sinister and slick brother, Edgar, tried to dismiss the activities of the Mega Group, telling Miller, "We want to make it cool to be Jewish."

[...]

Years later, it was revealed that the White House communications system had been overhauled and modernized during the early Clinton era, and one of the main outside contractors involved in the project was an Israeli firm, Amdocs. According to a May, 2000 story in Insight magazine, Amdocs employees would have had nearly unfettered access to White House telephone lines and other super-sensitive communications equipment. However, the nature of the request from the Mossad man in Washington to Yatom—to obtain a confidential State Department document rules out the possibility that Mega was an electronic eavesdropping source.

Senior Corporate Executives Warned to Leave N.Y. on 9/11: Source

The FBI had also been investigating Amdocs and there were fears that even the telephone lines in the White House, which were installed by Bell Atlantic and Amdocs in 1997, might have been compromised.

According to a leaked DEA report from that agency’s investigation into the Israeli spy ring, one of the “art students” who was arrested was held on a $10,000 bond that was placed by an Israeli man named Ophir Baer who was in the U.S. under employment by Amdocs.

Posted by: Zack | Jul 18 2019 6:03 utc | 326

PJB @324--

Brings to mind all those various bases the evil foes in Bond flicks inhabited. AhHa!! We've got it! It's a real life SMERSH, except even more devilish than Ian Fleming ever imagined! Given what we know about the CIA's infrastructure linking its global network of Black Sites together and the methods it uses to finance same, what makes it any different from its fictional, utterly immoral, counterpart? After all, It works for the Outlaw US Empire, which has al-Qaeda and Daesh, Contras, and who knows how many previous Death Squads at its command now and previously?

There's no mistaken Epstein's dirty and immoral in a very Libertine manner--like de Sade but different stylistically. Yet he's just the outer visible aspect meant to be the first shielding defensive layer of what lies beyond him regarding the--very exclusive--operation built around him. D

From the 1950s till now, the Outlaw US Empire has waged a rather high number of clandestine operations few of which have ever been 100% uncovered so the public could look into the innards of the mayhem done in its name, to "preserve it's freedom." IMO, Epstein's operation is only one of those. But what's the motive for blowing it up again? What figure now was involved in its operational roots, being careful to recall the initial filling date in 1/2017? Certainly not Trump; there's Barr; Biden?; people no longer in government now often employed as Biglie Media talking heads? Or is it the operation itself, but look at who filed--Dershowitz and Cernovich!

Yes, it's a mystery, and a worthy one.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 6:22 utc | 327

Trump admin could have flipped Dershowitz and that is why he is so confident exonerating evidence will be found.

Maybe it's even written into the deal he cut if there is such a deal.

Posted by: Zack | Jul 18 2019 6:35 utc | 328

Notice, Epstein’s island “temple” is painted in the Israeli national colors, white and light blue.

Posted by: anonymous | Jul 18 2019 7:27 utc | 329

Ref Epstein's trips:
France, UK, Spain were then the natural destinations of Saudi princes on holidays. Check the thread on Adnan Khashogghi for possible explanation on the Vicky Ward Twitter account (luxury brothels on the Cote d'Azur).

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 7:44 utc | 330

So Barr was his first mentor, then Les Wexner and Maxwell(s) who introduced him to the UK/KSA swamp ? Is Barr son supposed to bury the case again ?

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 7:57 utc | 331

What is clear is that he owes his introduction into real business to Les Wexler
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-07-17/more-questions-about-how-jeffrey-epstein-got-island-owning-rich

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 8:11 utc | 332


Just like that, "Zion Don the house MIGA" tells blacks to go back to Africa in a few tweets and all the Epstein news is gone from the msm news cycle.

That was quick!

Posted by: anonymous | Jul 18 2019 8:21 utc | 333

Posted by: Mina | Jul 17 2019 19:31 utc | 311

If it is really an Austrian passport - he might have been to an OPEC meeting in Vienna.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 18 2019 9:17 utc | 334

Anyway, Trump seems to have gone to the Soviet Union marketing captitalism Presumably the "Art of the Deal" was financed by the CIA like Taliban schoolbooks.

They should have been warned.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 18 2019 9:22 utc | 335

Vienna was the capital of spooks at the time, and a hangout for Gulfies because of OPEC. These guys always need fresh girls and boys. He probably started as a pimp/spook in the 70s under the auspices of Barr father. It is only after that he got into biz with Wexner.
Today the court will decide if Epstein is released on bail. I hope for riots if he does.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 9:36 utc | 336

Jeffrey Epstein, financier

Al capone, furniture sales

John gotti, plumbing supplies

somebody, just a concerned citizen seeking the truth no matter where it leads, even if it leads to an Epstein/Mossad connection

All, totally believable

Posted by: anonymous | Jul 18 2019 9:39 utc | 337

I think lysias, 307, above is correct. The CIA (Barr) gave Epstein a start.

Columbus is where the torture taxi and lolita express meet.

The 2003 Free Press article touched on Wexner providing money and PR support to build the case for the Iraq War. It was too early 2003 to conclusively say that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. In the lead up to the war a massive intelligence effort was tasked with providing evidence suggesting these programed existed to assist PR campaigns like the one Wexner was privately running.

While Epstein was managing Wexner's money it would have been hard for him not to notice that the latter's company was importing clothing from Hon Kong on an airline run by the CIA. Southern Air Transport has a long history of drug smuggling going back to Vietnam era. It's regularly scheduled flights from Hon Kong for The Limited were the cornerstone of the local development push to convert Rickenbacker Air Base to Rickenbacker Airport in the 1990s. Southern Air Transport also operated the C-123 Globemaster that was shot down in Nicaragua, an event which touched off the Iran-Contra revelations.

At the same time that Rickenbacker became a transport hub for cargo carried by CIA backed airline that was both known to smuggle drugs and involved in the Iran-Contra affair, Wexner's connections to organized crime were named in a Columbus Police intelligence report. A trucking company linked to the mob was also named in that report. That trucking company carried up thirty percent of The Limited's ground cargo. The CIA handled the air cargo, the mob handled the ground cargo and Epstein balanced the books. This peculiar set of business arrangements seem to shed light on the need for multiple armored Mercedes and phones that go to command centers.

Southern Air Transport ran into money trouble and it's route was taken over by Evergreen Aviation, which also had a history of connection to the CIA. Evergreen, despite it's own recent financial problems, still keeps one Boeing 747 in Columbus and still maintains regular service to Hon Kong. The only terminal that can serve that aircraft is owned by Landmark Aviation.

Landmark Aviation's core business is fixed base operations, or FBOs. An FBO is a sort of private air terminal, fueling and maintenance facility for charter, business and private aircraft. Some FBOs are very bare bones. Landmark's Columbus FBO is a posh facility with showers, conference rooms, a dedicated concierge and even its own Customs Inspection.

Landmark Aviation was alleged to have been the FBO of choice for the CIA's extraordinary rendition program, known as the “torture taxi.” Under that program, people were kidnapped, flown to black sites around the globe and tortured for months or years. European governments were aware of this program and some even issued arrest warrants for CIA officers involved.

Landmark Aviation cleaned up it's image somewhat since the revelations. It was sold and split with FBO operations being put into trusteeship. One of those trustees was former CIA director James Slesinger. It was later sold to the Bush family friendly Carlyle Group.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 18 2019 10:03 utc | 338

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 17 2019 15:56 utc | 302

Israel seems to be the nexus for targeting vulnerable, non-Jewish communities to further their own agenda as evidenced by the Jihadi proxy army in Syria and poor underage women.

This would be reprehensible if it were some private individual that was behind it, but when there is state sponsorship, it rises to a crime against humanity.

Yes, they seem to own Trump.

But I would offer an even more disturbing portent that goes far beyond the divergence of values. There is in our day a troubling convergence of political and cultural forces that may have dire consequences for world Jewry. We now appear to have an alliance — albeit subliminal — between right-wing Zionism, Evangelical Christianity — particularly of the “end-days” variety — the so-called “alt-right” and the Trump administration. Were one to draw a Venn Diagram of these four political/cultural/religious entities, the one clear area of overlap would be the notion of the “ethno-state.”

Posted by: somebody | Jul 18 2019 10:36 utc | 339

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 12:06 utc | 341

Her Facebook Page seems to have been scrubbed. She is from Slovakia, that is not Slowenia but used to be Czechoslovakia.

There is some speculation here - from February 2019 already.

She is certainly not among the "poor victims from broken homes" category.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 18 2019 13:21 utc | 342

... but she's the one he boasted that she bought her aged 15 from her family in collapsing Yugoslavia

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 13:36 utc | 343

If never used, why keep the passport 40 years in a safe?
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1151855624164188160

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 14:39 utc | 344

Epstein bail hearing today. Scheduled for 11:30 EST (about an hour from now).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 18 2019 14:50 utc | 345

Ref Bill Barr (the son)
https://twitter.com/DeadlineWH/status/1151614776646295555

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 14:53 utc | 346

A correction to my 327. Instead of SMERSH it should be SPECTRE, I realized just prior to retiring. SMERSH was associated with USSR/KGB intel whereas SPECTRE was an independent outfit.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 15:11 utc | 347

Bail rejected
Too bad that the European MSM do not report much of Trump and Epstein stories. It gives a fair picture of post WW2 USA...
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports

Posted by: Mina | Jul 18 2019 15:42 utc | 348

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 6:22 utc | 327

Or is it the operation itself, but look at who filed--Dershowitz and Cernovich!

Dershovitz asked for the court files revealed where he defended himself against one of Epstein's victims. The case was settled out of court so he probably thinks he can publicly reuse his argument. Cernovich was presumably coopted for media coverage.

The case was reopend by a judge installed by Trump with an attorney general chosen by Trump.

It is possible Trump is so demented that he thinks he is running against Bill Clinton, as I can see no connection to present Democrat candidates whatsoever.
It is also possible Trump wanted to give Netanyahu some help in getting rid of Ehud Barak.

On the other hand it might be an attempt by Republicans to get their party back.

We will see.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 18 2019 15:56 utc | 349

somebody @349--

Recent behavior by Trump has a keen edge. He took the cue from Pelosi to attack "The Squad" in a manner that erased Epstein from the news cycle. Prior to that, he bullied the Fed to lower interest rates that would directly benefit Wall Street financializers in a tacit reminder of who butters their bread best. Pretty odd golfing foursome of Trump, Paul, Graham, and Perdue settled on allowing Rand Paul to approach Iran, which will sit well with the Libertarian faction. Perhaps the target is the CIA as it worked against Trump in 2016 and despite Haspel might do so again, and the Epstein op is likely insulated from other ops, so its exposure and destruction wouldn't be too costly except for those outed in the process.

Yes, we'll see!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 16:49 utc | 350

Despite Haspel? She was chief of the CIA station in London in 2016, when the Russiagate fiction was being dreamed up.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 18 2019 16:54 utc | 351

Twitter thread with Virginia Roberts affidavit of 2015.

https://twitter.com/cukullen/status/1151495296398057473?s=21

Posted by: Lozion | Jul 18 2019 16:59 utc | 352

The judge denied bail to Epstein.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 18 2019 17:31 utc | 353

The judge denied bail to Epstein.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 18 2019 17:32 utc | 354

lysias @351--

Yes, actually. I see her as a weak DCI that Trump elevated to a position beyond her ken that since the dead ducks leak has mostly disappeared, like Bolton being sent to Mongolia. Only Pompeo has a mouth now. Ah, Bolton and Abrams have had their hands on so many things they might in some manner be implicated in Epstein's op--particularly Abrams with his Iran-Contra links.

Here's something I haven't seen linked or discussed despite it being a week old:

"But Epstein’s lawyers wanted the specific details about Epstein’s wealth kept sealed, and that request was without objection from the DOJ.

"It remains to be seen how Judge Richard Berman will rule on that request."

I see Epstein's worth is listed as $559,120,954, but the linked item implies the "specific details" mentioned above remain sealed, Epstein's balance sheet being deemed merely "cursory" by the judge.

IMO, given the insistence that the financial records remain sealed points to where all the important secrets lie--the stuff of a genuine Big Time Scandal so many anticipate. That DOJ had no objections provides an excellent message about the damage control effort.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 18:02 utc | 355

karlof1 @350:

Perhaps the target is the CIA as it worked against Trump in 2016 and despite Haspel might do so again ...

Delusional.

There's more evidence to suggest that US Presidents work for the Deep State than the other way around.

The entire 2016 election is suspect to the point that its difficult to believe that it wasn't a setup. Sanders was so deferential to front-runner Hillary, (a friend of 25 years!) that it becomes obvious that he was a sheepdog - in the race solely to prevent the development of a third-party. In the general election, Hillary's alienation of key voting groups and her refusal to campaign in the 3 states that she knew would decide the election was highly unusual for a seasoned politician. Trump also had longstanding ties to the Clintons.

To top it off:

> In 2014, Kissinger had called for USA to meet the challenge from Russia and China by restoring its former predominance - essentially a call for MAGA that required the election of a nationalist; and

> TRUMP HAD TO WIN in order to initiate neo-McCarthyism via Russiagate.

karlof1 @355: I see her as a weak DCI ...

She had Brennan's support and she was strong enough to get the job despite being involved in torture and destruction of evidence.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 18 2019 19:01 utc | 356

JR @356--

Getting past the Senate isn't an indication of power.

Allowing Epstein's financial records to remain sealed is a very good indicator the CIA is a target; otherwise, why keep them sealed?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 19:12 utc | 357

Epstein's remaining in jail will make many powerful people nervous. They must be wondering if Epstein will get special treatment from the intelligence agencies once again, or if Epstein will make a deal to save himself.

What people that matter will dare to publicly object to war with Iran when they know that they could be named by Epstein as part of a plea bargain? That includes Trump, of course.

Ultimately, it may all turn out to be a farce as the intelligence agencies will likely insist on another sweetheart deal (or, more likely, that the former sweetheart deal must be honored). But the timing of Epstein's time in jail seems very advantageous to Israel's goal to spark a US-Iran war.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 18 2019 19:22 utc | 358

karlof1 @357: Getting past the Senate isn't an indication of power.

It is when you do it despite major black marks in your record.

Sure, at first her power is largely derived from the people that support her (like Brennan). But that is still power. And that's how it always works.

Brennan is touted as one of Trump's harshest critics, yet Trump nominated his pick (Haspel). That shows you what a farce the Trump vs Deep State conflict really is.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 18 2019 19:34 utc | 359

Lysias 307:

The Donald Barr scenario seems to me to be less clear-cut than you imply. Over at Unz Review, in comments thread for a story by Gilad Atzmon, there is a link to a video by a woman who is looking into the Dalton connection. Some people are running her down, but to me her research looks fine and her questions seem perfectly valid---and useful and pretty thought-provoking. It looks as though someone is fiddling with the dates that Epstein worked at Dalton. Could that be because he was actually "dating" the daughter of the Greenberg fellow (I think it is Lynne), and she maybe was underage in 1973 but not in 1974? Anyhow, take a look and decide for yourself. I find both of the linked videos worthwhile.

Here is one of her videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc-uysS6Tlw

Here is the one about Dalton School, specifically, who hired Epstein, who is now trying to spin that, and where did some of the records, in the online archive, for the relevant years go?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAWWI0_pPI0

I find "Amazing Polly's" info and speculations extremely interesting, and she looks perfectly lucid. Yes, she is trying to figure out relevant connections---between Epstein, Nexium, and the Bronfman family. That is, it sure looks as though there is some connection, so what is it? Anyhow, see for yourself.
BTW, here is the Unz Review link:
https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/by-way-of-decepstein/#comments

Re Karlof1's speculations about CIA money (I thin @ 316)it seems quite possible, but the question then seems to be: To what purpose? Yeah, the CIA has been suspected for a long time of financing black ops with drug and other black money, or perhaps this is proven, I don't know.

But my point is: To what end, in this case? What kind of "op" *is* the Epstein op??

So far, the Steve Piezinik thesis makes the most sense to me. That Ghislaine Maxwell spotted Epstein and basically groomed him for deployment by Mossad. Mossad has access to plenty of American-sourced bucks to execute the deployment. E.g., Wexner.

Posted by: Really? | Jul 18 2019 22:55 utc | 360

Really? @360

"But my point is: To what end, in this case? What kind of "op" *is* the Epstein op??"

That's my question too. IMO, the answer lies in the sealed financial records which must somehow get unsealed, likely via a plaintiff beyond the current prosecution which declined to challenge the continued sealing of those records.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2019 23:08 utc | 361

#338 Somebody:

Good job, providing this link to the Columbus, Ohio, connection. Fascinating must-read.
I didn't know that Les Wexner was Ohio's richest man.
The info on the special air facility looks particular relevant.

Posted by: Really? | Jul 19 2019 0:11 utc | 362

@ Really? and karlof1 with the question
"
"But my point is: To what end, in this case? What kind of "op" *is* the Epstein op??"
"

I would suggest you think about how the private finance elite have kept the Catholic church under its spell for these past centuries and then extrapolate that modus operendi to how the elite control government puppets they get elected.....the closet gay ones, etc.

I posit that the elite look for folks that are "hurt" in ways they can take advantage of and then control.....and those hurt people also have compromised moral structures as part of their hurt or can be manipulated into such.....then there are those that really do have faith in some group of humans being better than all other groups of humans and the right/responsibility to prosecute such sick bias

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2019 0:15 utc | 363

In this report,
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque

the most interesting thing to me is the connection between Epstein, Prince Andrew, and the Iraq War---the UK being not only the USA's principle ally on that project, but the UK being the entity that actually, via Tony Blair, made the whole thing palatable to a large swath of the American people.

Posted by: Really? | Jul 19 2019 0:30 utc | 364

What I meant in my prev. post 364 re the Vanity Fair article is that it seems to present info that ties in to Wexner as someone who waged a campaign to start a war against Iraq. So if blackmail of Andy was a factor in keeping (or getting?) the UK on board with the illegal Iraq war, that would seem to be an immediate "payoff" for Wexner's "investment" in Epstein.

Maybe this is already obvious and I missed it.

Posted by: Really? | Jul 19 2019 0:39 utc | 365

Tony Blair ... ah yes ... But, it is all connected. I was such a political junky I missed so many other threads in the beginning and thought it's all about money. I was so naive...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-blair/tony-blair-converts-to-catholicism-idUSL2219085420071222

Notice all the links on this page -- where it's supposed to be a Reuters and upstanding news source!!!

Posted by: Jayne | Jul 19 2019 1:12 utc | 366

I am very interested in the possible Bronfman/Nexium connection. again with criminal families turning legit, Bronfman, like the Kennedy clan, have bootlegger roots.

as more names and connections get pulled in I wonder how much of this the general public can actually absorb. the tweet from Pelosi's daughter preparing whoever follows her social media that some of their "faves" could be implicated is very telling.

I've already had artists I once admired turn into something very different. keeping to the Canadian theme of Bronfman, Montreal's McGill University was a spot for government/spook mind games, and I think Leonard Cohen was deeply involved. I've re-read his poetry with my new lens and some of his cryptic verses are very disturbing.

I think some of his poems are boasts.

Posted by: lizard | Jul 19 2019 1:13 utc | 367

Really? @360: To what end, in this case? What kind of "op" *is* the Epstein op?

Well, it's hard to know for sure but if you've followed the links provided in this thread and know some history, then it's possible to surmise the answer.

Consider:

1) Epstein boasted that he worked for billionaires that wanted to safeguard their position, not necessarily make a financial gain.

2) The Mega Group (50 of the wealthiest Jewish oligarchs in US-Canada) was led by Wexner and Bronfman and was started about the time that the Cold War ended.

3) The Wall Street Journal expose of the Mega Group quotes one of its members saying "we want to make being Jewish cool". (Epstein's parties and lifestyle were seem designed to be "cool".)

4) Neocons wanted to use US military in the Middle East. Israel and Zionist Jews may have been concerned that USA would decline to fight wars since their main enemy had been vanquished. We now know that they sought a "new Pearl Harbor" and later, to "take out" seven countries in five years.

Putting these together:

A smart minority group that seeks to push a country into illegal wars for their own purposes would anticipate some degree of backlash. Epstein compromised "people that matter" who might lead a backlash or could be useful to quell it.

The Mega Group sought to safeguard their position in American/Western society against a backlash - exactly what Epstein said his job was.

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In my opinion, the tie-in to CIA is a red-herring:

1) this 'op' was aimed at Westerners, not adversaries (CIA's ability to operate in US was constrained by law until relatively recently - 2013?);

2) CIA had other concerns: in the 1990's CIA was focused on Russia's downfall and (hoped for) integration into the West and in the 2000's they were focused on al-Queda (rendition and torture);

3) Epstein's close association with Wexner and Ghislane and the match between what Mega Group sought to accomplish and what Epstein said he did for his clients suggest Mossad over CIA.

4) CIA's involvement seems to have been to clean up the mess. IMO that limited role is played up by those that want to point the finger away from Mossad.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 19 2019 2:15 utc | 368

#358 ref 'the deal'
the deal applies only to the crimes committed in Florida between 2001-2007

More details and documents here
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/07/alex-acosta-let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag-the-justice-department-knew-all-about-the-jeffrey-epstein-plea-deal.html

Too bad they don't speak about it in the French press. There would be potential victims in France who could seek compensation.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 19 2019 8:30 utc | 369

368
Mossad seems more likely than CIA to me, too.
I am sure Mossad does not coordinate all of its plans with the CIA.
Just some.
If handy for them.
So, Barr Senior being CIA does not IMO mean that William Barr isgoing to go easy on Epstein. But Trump is so tight with Israel, he may rein Barr in if the whoel thing starts to "go there." Toward Mossad/IsraHell.

Posted by: Really? | Jul 19 2019 13:56 utc | 370

It seems that Wall Street reads Moon of Alabama.

As the Jeffrey Epstein Case Grows, Manhattan and DC Brace for Impact | Vanity Fair

In the absence of much other information, the reigning theory on Wall Street currently is that Epstein’s activities with women and girls were central to the building of his fortune, and his relations with some of his investors essentially amounted to blackmail.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2019 18:39 utc | 371

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 19 2019 2:15 utc | 368
1) this 'op' was aimed at Westerners, not adversaries (CIA's ability to operate in US was constrained by law until relatively recently - 2013?);

2) CIA had other concerns: in the 1990's CIA was focused on Russia's downfall and (hoped for) integration into the West and in the 2000's they were focused on al-Queda (rendition and torture);

Oh dear. Where to start. Some CIA history.

MK Ultra. Halted in 1973.

Project MKUltra, also called the CIA mind control program, is the code name given to a program of experiments on human subjects that were designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency—and which were, at times, illegal.[1][2][3] Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations in order to weaken the individual and force confessions through mind control. The project was organized through the Office of Scientific Intelligence of the CIA and coordinated with the U.S. Army Biological Warfare Laboratories


CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking

CIA involvement in trafficking is usually alleged to be connected to the Contra war in Nicaragua and the Iran–Contra affair during the Reagan Administration. In 1986 its spokesman acknowledged that funds from sales of cocaine smuggled into the US had helped fund the Contra rebels, but said that the smuggling was not authorized by the US government or resistance leaders.[1]

A 1986 investigation by a sub-committee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (the Kerry Committee), found that "the Contra drug links included", among other connections, "[...] payments to drug traffickers by the U.S. State Department of funds authorized by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the Contras, in some cases after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges, in others while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies."[2]

The charges of CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking were revived in 1996, when a newspaper series by reporter Gary Webb in the San Jose Mercury News claimed that the trafficking had played an important role in the creation of the crack cocaine drug problem in the United States. Webb's series led to three federal investigations, none of which found evidence of any conspiracy by the CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States

It just happened without anybody doing anything. But

The report of the Committee, released on April 13, 1989, found that .... Payments to drug traffickers by the U.S. State Department of funds authorized by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the Contras, in some cases after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges, in others while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies.[2]

According to the report, the U.S. State Department paid over $806,000 to "four companies owned and operated by narcotics traffickers" to carry humanitarian assistance to the Contras.[2]

Regarding CIA knowledge of these facts, the report said:

....the CIA's Chief of the Central American Task Force went on to say: We knew that everybody around Pastora was involved in cocaine ... His staff and friends (redacted) they were drug smugglers or involved in drug smuggling.

The Iran/Contra deal runs very much parallell to Epstein's rise.

And here is Bill Clinton, Mena Arkansas and the CIA

And consider this

The black economy produced from drug and human trafficking includes the laundering of cash that ultimately ends up in “investment funds” and, ultimately, deposited back into the banks of the Power Elite. For a fee (or equity in an Investment enterprise), ill gotten gains are made clean, leveraged and circulated back into the community, stimulating economic growth and jobs — it bolsters the transparent economy. ... When Miami was a hub for drug trafficking the black economy there visibly resurrected and glamorized a dying, broke city. Likewise, New York City that was bankrupt flourishes as Wall Street’s stock market became a bull market with black economy funds being laundered, deposited and transformed into investment funds.

The CIA serves at the discretion of the President. It is however feared to be a proxy agency of the power elite, as well, given the high level leadership in the intelligence community are members of power elite secret societies, like Yale’s Skull and Bones fraternity.

Above certainly would explain Epstein, Bill Clinton and Trump. It might be true or not, but aligns with what we see.


Posted by: somebody | Jul 19 2019 19:40 utc | 372

somebody @372 wants us to know that CIA has done some bad things. Very bad things. But he doesn't show a connection to Epstein, only that CIA was doing bad things while Epstein was alive.

The only CIA connection that I know of is Acosta's "belongs to intelligence". This doesn't mean that Epstein was CIA only that CIA was dealing with the matter. And that "matter" was an influencing 'op' that had ensnared dozens of "people that matter" in the West. People that CIA had no real reason to compromise.

While I can't say that there isn't a deeper CIA connection, somebody (and others) that attempt to establish an Epstein-CIA connection simply by pointing to CIA's bad behavior in other matters are only showing us that they have an agenda.

Any reader is free to peruse the thread and see the many ways that somebody has tried to deflect blame and misdirect readers.

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Lets look more closely at the info somebody provides:

MK Ultra
somebody tells us it ended in 1973 - well before Epstein;

Contra drug smuggling
The Contras ended about 1990. Epstein started his financial firm in 1987 and had two clients that we know of: Wexner and Hoffenberg. Hoffenberg's Tower Financial ponzi scheme crashed in 1993.

Epstein was essentially a nobody until after 1993. Oh, we know some of his history before then because of investigative reporting but he wasn't the social butterfly that he would be after 1993.

Laundering CIA money
Does anyone seriously believe that CIA would let pedophiles and orgy enthusiasts launder their money? Or that CIA would mix-up a money laundering operation with an influencing operation? Highly doubtful.

Furthermore, Occam's razor argues that the money from Hoffenberg's scam (about $450 million), which was never recovered, is the source of Epstein's fortune (Wexner is also said to have gifted Epstein his NYC home, now worth an estimated $77 million). Epstein is likely to have laundered and retained Hoffenberg's stolen money by pretending to work for billionaires like Wexner and probably other members of the "Mega Group" club of billionaire Jewish philanthropists.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 20 2019 4:28 utc | 373

How Long is Jeffrey Epstein For This World?

Illargi's suspicions of the untimely demise of Epstein are well-founded. Robert Maxwell also died under mysterious circumstances.

Yet I would remind readers of my own suspicions that Epstein's current incarceration - on the brink of war with Iran - may serve a purpose (and why her returned to USA): to stifle dissent against war with Iran from the "people that matter" that could be named by Epstein (even if they were not involved!)

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 20 2019 5:13 utc | 374


Does anyone seriously believe that CIA would let pedophiles and orgy enthusiasts launder their money? Or that CIA would mix-up a money laundering operation with an influencing operation? Highly doubtful.

You answer that yourself - he was under the radar until the 1990's. He does not drink nor take drugs. The "orgies" were for business - he trafficked. The circles he moved in did not bat an eyelid.

This guy here from Columbus - Wexner country

writes in 2001 on Prince Andrew, Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein:

January 25, 2001 - Imagine Columbus Alive's surprise last week when Nigel Rosser, a British journalist and reported confidant of the royal family, contacted us to inquire about Prince Andrew's central Ohio connection. Rosser had read two award-winning Alive stories--"The Shapiro Murder File" and "Spook Air"--and wanted to chat about our own Leslie Wexner and his top aide, the mysterious Jeffrey E. Epstein. ... Whatever Epstein does, Rosser's article pointed out that he and Prince Andrew "now appear to have evolved a curious symbiotic relationship--whenever Ghislaine is seen with Andrew, Epstein is never far behind." Rosser cited an unnamed friend of the Prince saying that Andrew's a "very poor judge of character." Last May, Andrew went on a vacation with Epstein and Ghislaine in Florida. Rosser claimed he also attended a "hookers and pimps" Halloween party in New York with Ghislaine.

Epstein "has a license to carry a concealed weapon, once claimed to have worked for the CIA--although he now denies it--and owns properties all over America," Rosser noted. When he's not globe-trotting, Epstein has the choice of many places to call home, including a fortress-like mansion in New Mexico, a $40 million New York townhouse, and the second most expensive residence in central Ohio. Of course, the mansion is located in New Albany, near his close friend and mentor, billionaire Wexner.

"Epstein began working for Mr. Wexner in 1985 and by the late 1980s had become wealthy, through, among other things, handling his worldwide air freight concerns and his fabulous collection of art, which includes a $45 million Picasso," the Evening Standard reported. Epstein also serves as a trustee of the Columbus-based Wexner Foundation.

Yes, Israel was involved in Iran-Contra, too. That is where the weapons were from.

But "tipped kettle" was an initiative of the US government.

In the 1989 trial of Oliver North, it was stated that the US had "admitted for the purposes of this trial that" the matter had begun with a request from the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, William Casey, to Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, to ascertain whether the weapons captured by Israel could be obtained by the US.

You are right that it is not probable that Epstein was employed by the CIA as in "official employee", much more likely he worked as freelancer and liaison to Mossad (with Ghislaine Maxwell). But he had protection and this protection must have come from the CIA.

From the article above

he late tycoon's daughter fled Britain and now resides in Manhattan, where the Columbus connection emerges. Rosser reported that Ghislaine is a one-time partner of Epstein, "an immensely powerful New York property developer and financier." Other newspaper reports have described Epstein as everything from a concert pianist, corporate spy, math teacher, stockbroker, merchant banker, and globe-trotting businessman. He has steadfastly denied rumors of links to the Israeli Mossad. Maxwell denied similar connections just prior to his accident at sea.

and

Epstein "has a license to carry a concealed weapon, once claimed to have worked for the CIA--although he now denies it--and owns properties all over America," Rosser noted. When he's not globe-trotting, Epstein has the choice of many places to call home, including a fortress-like mansion in New Mexico, a $40 million New York townhouse, and the second most expensive residence in central Ohio. Of course, the mansion is located in New Albany, near his close friend and mentor, billionaire Wexner.

The Iranian side of the Iran Contra deal is not fully know. What did they promise to do for the weapons in Afghanistan?

Posted by: somebody | Jul 20 2019 7:04 utc | 375

Posted by: somebody | Jul 20 2019 7:04 utc | 375

By the way, I think this here is connected
March 6, 2019: FBI launches anti-money laundering task force in Miami

The FBI has launched the Miami International Corruption Squad, a task force aimed at cracking down on money laundering and bribes to foreign governments.

In a March 5 press release, the agency said the new Miami-based team will be staffed with senior agents, forensic accountants, and other personnel with extensive experience investigating white-collar crime and corruption.

The group will help identify violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, a U.S. law that makes it illegal to bribe foreign officials.
...
South Florida has long been assumed to be a center for international money laundering. In 2016, the U.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) began tracking all-cash real estate purchases of $1 million or more in Miami, noting that such transactions could be used to hide dirty money.
...


Posted by: somebody | Jul 20 2019 7:13 utc | 376

I doubt G. Maxwell had any interest in the sea. Her charity was probably set to allow her socializing (young trainees?) and get a full map of the islands for sale in the world. People who buy islands make big money and people who make big money are interesting to manipulate.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 20 2019 7:47 utc | 377

btw, Epstein starts in finance at Bear Stearns investment bank in 1976, the years when he has his Austrian passport
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/brit-ghuislane-maxwell-heart-epstein-18366980

Posted by: Mina | Jul 20 2019 8:10 utc | 378

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 20 2019 4:28 utc | 373

The only CIA connection that I know of is Acosta's "belongs to intelligence". This doesn't mean that Epstein was CIA, only that CIA was dealing with the matter. And that "matter" was an influencing 'op' that had ensnared dozens of "people that matter" in the West. People that CIA had no real reason to compromise.

Let's rephrase this - People that the CIA SHOULD have no real reason to compromise. CIA protected Epstein's operation.

This was global. Epstein hosted an international crowd. USians caught up in it were collateral damage. The CIA certainly did not "order" this. They may have "suggested" it and they supplied protection.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 20 2019 9:23 utc | 379

William Barr, by the way, did the final Iran-Contra coverup.

It is possible that he intends to mop up the rest now.

“If you want a presidential cover-up, Barr is your guy,” Brosnahan, now 85, told VICE News. “And I think we’ve already seen that.”

Posted by: somebody | Jul 20 2019 9:30 utc | 380

somebody

There's no direct evidence of a connection to either CIA or Mossad. They are each too careful for that. But the involvement of Lexner and Ghislane suggest that it's MUCH MORE LIKELY that Epstein is connected to Mossad than CIA.

Plus there's no reason for CIA to entrap dozens of Westerners, while Mossad would find that useful. That a small number of the entrapped were not Western doesn't obviate this point.

Your rambling insinuations are not convincing. In fact it only highlights the desperate attempt to point fingers away from Mossad(*). You're not the only one. IMO it's an organized effort.

(*) Yes, I noticed that you finally mentioned Mossad - tangentially in the body of a long comment - for the first time after many comments.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 20 2019 14:36 utc | 381

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/horrors-of-jeffrey-epstein-private-island
Now that he seems to be in jail for good, people start talking. And what do they say? That apparently it is easy to get young girls from
Paris, London, Slovakia, Mexico, Morocco board a plane with a 70 y old rich guy. No one will be surprised about Morocco and Slovakia.

Posted by: Minae | Jul 21 2019 7:12 utc | 382

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 20 2019 14:36 utc | 381

Let's face it CIA IS connected to Mossad and US used to be THE Patron of Israel. If you ask me who in that relationship is the dog and who is the tail, well ...
Israel has tried recently to hedge with Russia and was partly successful. So if you think Putin ..... :-))

Epstein being a freelancer to CIA is not exclusive of Epstein being a freelancer for Mossad with CIA knowledge. His protection must have been done in the US, and I assume he was not just protected by lawyers. Miami and Virgin Island suggest there is a Latin American connection more than anything else. And this is CIA territory.

Posted by: turlock | Jul 20 2019 20:42 utc | 382

That is possible but in that case Epstein was not really theirs but expendable.

But yes, it is interesting why lawyers managed to stop this scandal in plain sight now with a nod from Trump.

My guess is that it is a controlled explosion before election campaigns really start. Epstein was on notice since 2009 and he continued with the most influential backers distancing from him. And there is William Barr in place who mopped up Iran-Contra.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 8:36 utc | 383

add to 384

How much in plain sight (and how mad US law is) shows the case of Scott Rothstein, who managed a Ponzi scheme finding investors who bought shares of future settlements with Epstein's victims.

One way he did it was by tricking investors into believing that his firm was representing numerous underaged girls who had sex with Palm Beach billionaire and convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, sources have confirmed. On top of that, Rothstein claimed that he had flight logs showing that Epstein flew extremely prominent people, including former President Bill Clinton, on his private jet with some of the plaintiffs.

He told investors that Epstein, Clinton, and other celebrities involved basically had no choice but to settle these cases and that it was a veritable treasure-trove. They then ponied up millions to invest in the settlements, pay out a portion of those settlements to the victims, and pocket the rest.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 8:48 utc | 384

In the Dutroux case, two persons who are widely mentioned in the police files, Nihoul and Misme, are living a very public life and have websites for advertizing themselves. Impunity is a keyword in pedos life apparently.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2019 9:13 utc | 385

Epstein flights according to his pilots's Instagram account

A combination of photographs taken by and comments made by Visoski show repeated trips to St. Thomas and other islands in the U.S. Virgin Islands between 2014 and 2018 and likely 2019 as well; trips to the Exuma chain and Eleuthera in the Bahamas in 2014; a 2015 trip to St. Bart’s in the Caribbean; numerous flights over the Gulf of Mexico and the North Atlantic; a 2014 trip to Seattle, Washington in 2014; a 2015 trip to Manhattan Beach, California; multiple trips to Paris Le Bourget Airport and other locations in Paris, France, in 2015 and 2016; multiple trips to Bitburg Airport in Germany in 2015 and 2016; trips to New York City and other metropolitan airports; trips to San Juan, Puerto Rico, in 2016 and 2018; a 2015 trip to Albuquerque, New Mexico; a 2019 trip to Cabo San Lucas in Mexico; and a 2016 trip to Dubai and Abu Dhabi that is not photographed but Visoski made a brief comment about.

Bitburg, Germany is a commercial airport close to Spangdahlem Airbase. There is not much else there. You certainly don't find rich people there.

The other places might follow rich "friends". But not Bitburg.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 10:51 utc | 386

The Vanity fair article i linked to has the ppl working at the airport in the Virgin Islands say he flew in with young girls at least twice a month and that until June 2019!! So that could explain why he returned to the US (to settle a financial case with the Miami tax enquiry?) from Paris early July. He was just travelling as usual with no one bothering him.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2019 11:37 utc | 387

Bitburg is one taxi away from Luxembourg.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2019 11:49 utc | 388

somebody @384:

Let's face it CIA IS connected to Mossad and US used to be THE Patron of Israel. If you ask me who in that relationship is the dog and who is the tail, well ...

Whatever connections there are doesn't prevent Mossad from acting independently in the perceived interest of Israel. You acknowledge this when you add that "Israel has tried recently to hedge with Russia and was partly successful..."

IMO Wexner-Bronfman's Mega Group essentially acts as a front for deniability. Wexner and Bronfman are each connected to Epstein and NXIVM (and perhaps more sexual coercion that we don't yet know of). The illegal influencing/compromising of people that matter complements AIPAC's (legal) political influencing operations.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 21 2019 12:03 utc | 389

Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2019 11:49 utc | 389

Luxemburg has an airport of its own and is under European financial transparency laws. It is not a tax haven. They have low taxes but they do have taxes and regulations.

The only interesting thing in Bitburg is US military.

I don't think Epstein traded women. They were there for atmosphere (and because he craved them himself). I think you have to find other reasons for his business trips.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 12:09 utc | 390

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 21 2019 12:03 utc | 390

I am just saying that this indisputedly happened in the US in full sight and your theory assumes that CIA and FBI are utter incompetents who did not see what went on under their noses.

There might very well have been a conspiracy of a few but part of the few were employed by CIA and FBI.

I don't know if this is legit but they show sources and it sounds convincing.

Epstein turned informant for Mueller's FBI in 2008. Likely earlier.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 12:46 utc | 391

add to 392

Above confirms some views that this is targeted at Robert Mueller.

But a word of caution to all conspiracy lovers "Pizzagate"

It strains the imagination to think how Campbell – a cat lady in Missouri – had pieced together not only the story that Clinton was a sex-trafficking pedophile, but its details: NYPD officials, Weiner’s laptop, Jeffrey Epstein’s private jet. According to Clint Watts, a cyber and homeland-security expert at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, Katz fits neatly into a well-worn blueprint for disinformation campaigns. For a story to gain traction, propagandists plant false information on anonymous chat boards, hoping real people will pick it up and add a “human touch” to acts of digital manipulation. “If you want to sow a conspiracy, you seed it someplace – 4chan or Reddit is a perfect vehicle,” he says, and wait for someone like Katz to take the bait. “Someone or some group,” Watts says, “possibly took this unwitting woman and made her the source that they need.”

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 12:57 utc | 392

Taxes and regulations in Luxembourg? Well, you can also find a good number of banks and funds there you can do business with when you are based in the US Virgin Islands and have funds yourself.
He probably have a few dozen bank accounts in Europe to get some cash when he needs it.
Rabat as a stop is not on the tourist map usually. He must have kilos of pictures from the Moroccan elite in compromising situation. It is also a well-known hub for cheap prostitutes. (See the movie "Much Loved"... a milestone on this issue).

Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2019 13:05 utc | 393

The interesting thing is that Robert Mueller had the longest run of any FBI director since Reagan. Bill Clinton had a problem with FBI directors.
Trump seems to have a similar problem.

Every President including Obama seems to have a problem with CIA directors.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 13:09 utc | 394

... wait wait.. isn't Luxembourg this place where you can find more safes than people? That would be the perfect place if I had a collection of pictures of heads of states.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2019 13:23 utc | 395

Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2019 13:23 utc | 396

Only if you need EU corporate residence for some reason - like Amazon eg.

But they do take taxes and they are under EU regulation. No comparison to zero tax and transparency places.

And they have a very central airport. Why take a 50 minute ride by car?

But you are correct, at the time Epstein was there, money laundering may have been easy in Luxemburg.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 14:15 utc | 396

Anyway, you are far too optimistic about EU scrutiny on finance. Luxembourg, The Netherlands, the Vatican and Monaco are doing just fine. Here on Ghosn quick cash structures in NL.
https://www.franceinter.fr/emissions/secrets-d-info/secrets-d-info-21-juillet-2019

Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2019 15:55 utc | 397

Posted by: Mina | Jul 21 2019 15:55 utc | 398

All I can tell you is that in this country - Germany - the internal revenue service buys cd's full of Swiss or Panama bank data to whoever the hacker may be.

So if you are German, advice would be to choose your tax haven wisely.

If it is about organised crime money laundering - and that is almost certain, as it would be the only half way legitimate reason for the FBI to exchange information with a sweet heart deal and a license to continue whatever he was doing as an informer - to land in Bitburg is strange. But it would be a perfect place to meet with US authorities.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 19:19 utc | 398

somebody @392:

happened in the US in full sight

By its very nature, it was a secretive operation. Hardly "in full sight".

I expect that the only one's at an Epstein party that knew that the girls were more than just eye candy were those that Epstein WANTED TO KNOW.

your theory assumes that CIA and FBI are utter incompetents

My theory assumes that Epstein & Ghislane had the cover of powerful friends that likely include an intelligence agency. I believe that Mossad is much more likely than FBI/CIA for reasons I've stated several times now, including and especially that:

1) the principal actors were all Jewish and had, or could expect to have had, direct or indirection connections to Mossad (esp. Wexner, Ghislane);

2) A large number of targets were American and other Westerner. Why would CIA or FBI need to target these "people that matter" from their own countries?

And I'll add this:
3) Mega Group was likely used as a front so that it would be difficult to connect an 'op' on American soil with Mossad.

... part of the few were employed by CIA and DOJ/FBI.

Are you suggesting that Jewish members of the CIA and FBI are compromised? That may be so.

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From comments at the link you provided:

Pluto's Republic says:

Mossad's legendary blackmail traps ensnared even high-level deep state authorities and made them pliable. The recent history of United States foreign policy is an enigma that can only be solved when that assumption is inserted. Once the assumption is in place, it opens like a Pandora's box. Don't you find that to be the case?

leveymg says:

When Mossad runs operations inside the U.S. that go over an ill-defined line, as in the 2006 OSP-AIPAC (Larry Franklin) case, the FBI has on rare occasions busted Israeli intelligence operatives and even expelled the Mossad Chief of Station, Naor Gilon, at the time. Of course, Gilon never served any time for his role in a plot by Mossad, AIPAC and Office of Special Plans (OSP) staff to salt Pentagon files with phony Iran WMD intel and then leak that disinformation to the NYT. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2006/2/2/183907/-

The Mossad officer that coordinated that espionage and disinformation operation -- an echo of the Iraq WMD scam run out of the Pentagon by Neocons in the Bush-Cheney Administration - was soon appointed a ranking post in the Netanyahu government, and even permitted reentry into the U.S. after the (well-contained) scandal cooled off.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 21 2019 19:33 utc | 399

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 21 2019 19:33 utc | 400

I expect that the only one's at an Epstein party that knew that the girls were more than just eye candy were those that Epstein WANTED TO KNOW.

Miami police knew officially since 2005.

1) the principal actors were all Jewish and had, or could expect to have had, direct or indirection connections to Mossad (esp. Wexner, Ghislane);

Their nationality is British and American. Being Catholic does not mean you spy for the Vatican. Being Muslim does not mean you are a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Being Iranian-American does not mean you work for the Revolutionary Guards. It is a stupid assumption and it would have been stupid of Epstein/Maxwell to do that if they wanted protection from CIA/FBI. Mossad is not powerful with US authorities. Iran-Contra was done under Ronald Reagan/George Bush. Reagan claimed Alzheimer, CIA's Casey illness, George Bush pardoned the rest. It was done by the US government using Israel. All officials involved in the US were Anglo-Irish protestants. Part of Iran-Contra was a blind eye to Contra drug trade to the US.

2) A large number of targets were American and other Westerner. Why would CIA or FBI need to target these "people that matter" from their own countries?

Because of organised crime. It is American you know. And yes they tend to bribe "people that matter". And yes, the FBI does sting operations.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 21 2019 20:50 utc | 400

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