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June 30, 2019

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2019-36

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

So far Trump had no luck with finding coalition partners. The attacks on tankers in the Gulf of Oman were understood as a warning. The United Arab Emirates appeared to drop out of the coalition when it did not blame Iran for the attack and reportedly also pulls out of the war on Yemen. (The UAE is busy fighting a proxy war against Turkey in Libya.) Left in the coalition are the Israelis, the Saudis and the neoconservatives in the U.S. who press for war. But the Israelis do not want to fight themselves against Iran and the Saudis are useless in a war. Russia meanwhile declared that Iran is "an ally and partner". It will make sure that Iran has the means to defend itself.

Trump preempted that majority for now with today's short meeting with Kim Jong Un. Official negotiations between the two countries will restart soon.
Trump Meets Kim, Averting Threat of Nuclear War—and US Pundits Are Furious - Tim Shorrock - The Nation
The media response, from both liberals and conservatives, betrays a cynical disregard for South Korea.

Slightly related:
Fact checking the meat consumption of Iranians - Djavad Salehi-Isfahani

See also:
New pitch trim issue forces further changes to 737 MAX software - Björn Fehr - Leeham News

This is not that cause of the MCAS failure but it shows what is wrong with Boeing:
Boeing's 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers - Bloomberg
The programmers in India are well capable of writing good software. The difficulty lies in communicating the design requirements for the software. If they do not know in detail how air planes are engineered, they will implement the design to the letter but not to its intent. Here is how that works:

Mom to nerdy kid: "Honey, please go to the market and buy one bottle of milk. If they have eggs, bring six."
Nerdy kid comes back with six bottles of milk.
Mom: "Why did you bring six bottles of milk?"
Nerdy kid: "Because they had eggs."

More bad news for Boeing:
Pilots Flagged Software Problems on Boeing Jets Besides the Max - Bloomberg
Those were problems with the Boeing 737 NG which has the same flight control computers as the 737 MAX. There is also the still unexplained 2016 accident of Flydubai Flight 981. The 737 NG plane nosedived (vid) into the ground with 62 people on board. It was an unexplained runaway stabilizer incident eventually blamed on the pilots.

Boeing falsified records for 787 jet sold to Air Canada. It developed a fuel leak - CNC
The records stated that manufacturing work had been completed when it had not.
Concerns raised over incorrect airspeed data readings on Boeing 787 Dreamliners - News.au
DOJ probe expands beyond Boeing 737 MAX, includes 787 Dreamliner - Seattle Times

The Rothschild organ seems to agree with Putin.
Globalisation is dead and we need to invent a new world order - The Economist

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Other issues:

Trump Consultant Is Trolling Democrats With Biden Site That Isn’t Biden’s - NYT

For much of the last three months, the most popular Joseph R. Biden Jr. website has been a slick little piece of disinformation that is designed to look like the former vice president’s official campaign page, yet is most definitely not pro-Biden.

The NYT piece uses the word "disinformation" eight times. But the site JoeBiden.info only has truthful information about Biden. Sure, the pictures of Biden touching little girls are without context. But everyone knows that Joe just loves them ...

Demasking the Torture of Julian Assange - Nils Melzer, UN Special Rapporteur on Torture

In the end it finally dawned on me that I had been blinded by propaganda, and that Assange had been systematically slandered to divert attention from the crimes he exposed. Once he had been dehumanized through isolation, ridicule and shame, just like the witches we used to burn at the stake, it was easy to deprive him of his most fundamental rights without provoking public outrage worldwide. And thus, a legal precedent is being set, through the backdoor of our own complacency, which in the future can and will be applied just as well to disclosures by The Guardian, the New York Times and ABC News.

A Leader of America’s Fracking Boom Has Second Thoughts - WSJ

Over the past 10 years, 40 of the largest independent oil and gas producers collectively spent roughly $200 billion more than they took in from operations, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of data from financial-information firm FactSet. During that time, a broad index of U.S. oil-and-gas companies fell roughly 10%, while the S&P 500 index nearly tripled.

REVEALING UKRAINE OFFICIAL TEASER TRAILER #1 EDITED (2019) (vid)

“Revealing Ukraine” by Igor Lopatonok continues investigations on of the ongoing Ukrainian crisis following preceding “Ukraine on Fire”. In addition, it analyzes the current political backstage and its dangerous potential for the world. In the movie the main speaker – heavyweight Ukrainian politician, opposition leader –Viktor Medvedchuk is being interviewed by the renowned filmmaker Oliver Stone. Oliver Stone also sat with Russian president Vladimir Putin to ask him a questions about Ukrainian crisis.

Use as open thread ...

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VietnamVet | Jun 30, 2019 8:11:02 PM | 77

Great summary; basically spot on, IMO.
Not unlike your excellent comment over at TAE.
Cheers

Posted by: V | Jul 1 2019 2:57 utc | 101

tedo1 @91

Here's what I wrote that you're referencing:

"Capt. Abdul Hassan @76--

Although likely a drive-by commentator, I invite you to peruse the rather long thread about Trump's seeking a coalition and when finished post your commentary related to it. And as you ought to know, the owner of this blog is German, and the reference to Alabama is from another German, Bertolt Brecht. Aren't you taught to do recon first before exposing yourself?"

The thread I suggested the good Captain peruse had to do with what at the time seemed the impending war between the Outlaw US Empire and Iran, of which much discussion about tactics, capabilities, strategies and so forth was ongoing. In particular in the late #200s in the comments, we got into the actual waging of the war, with myself saying it would be bad news for the Outlaw US Empire as for quite sometime I've relentlessly advocated that Iran has the upper hand/superior chess position versus Trump and the Outlaw US Empire.

I invite ted01 just as I did Captain Hasan to go and peruse that thread--do his recon--return, and then tell me if he still thinks "I sense fear"? Oh, and I do thank you for your appraisal of me. I did find it very curious that next to no questions about Iran were asked of Putin in the interview or at the post-G20 press conference. I also notice that BigLie Media has mostly shut-up on the topic.

Grieved @95--

Thanks much my friend! While still living in California, I worked for Nader in 2000 and was a part of the Green Party's state apparatus, so I've had a previous taste. One thing I noticed in the Dore interview, Gabbard takes the time to formulate and organize her replies to Dore's deeper questions. IMO, it's been quite awhile since we had a deep thinker running for POTUS--aside from Nader!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 2:59 utc | 102

karlof1

Although you consider me a troll and you choose not to converse with me (which I don't take personally at all) I do mostly agree with you regarding domestic US politics and the need for people to get involved in the imperfectly limited, shady underworld of boring old D vs R elections (in lieu of supporting some mythological, fantasy "revolution," the fleeting opportunity for which passed us oldtimers by 50 years ago or an ideologically quasi-perfect but unelectable third party candidate).

I 3rd james and Grieved's comments...bravo to you for not becoming too cynical to work for change within the constraints of the duopoly.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 1 2019 3:04 utc | 103

pretzelattack @100--

Carter agreed to appoint Volker in order to save the bondholders by destroying the domestic economy with interest rates over 20% which is what actually cost him the 1980 election. In 1978, McNamara was sent off to the World Bank to work in tandem with IMF to begin the imposition of the euphemized Structural Adjustment Programs--the globalized version of Neoliberalism.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 3:06 utc | 104

donkeytale | Jun 30, 2019 9:51:00 PM | 90 says:

'the Trump-nationalists and Brexiteers do not offer an effective solution to problem of wealth inequality which is your complaint'.


Wealth inequality is not my complaint. My point is that 'dictatorship', whether it be in the hands of 'wealthy global elites', military or other, cannot achieve acceptable outcomes for a large, complex, modern society, and that excessive wealth inequality is a sure indicator of dictatorship.

The Trump-nationalists and Brexiteers may not have an effective solution. But they are convinced that what has been going on in their societies over the past 30 plus years has definitely not worked for them either. My analysis is that they are trying to return to the conditions in which the outcomes were much better for them.

My own conviction is that acceptable outcomes for a society can only be achieved when the political leaders are working on behalf of the society as a whole, rather than for a narrow privileged group, and especially a group that has little or no allegiance to the nation-state, whose boundaries define the society.

When the political leaders are truly working on behalf of the population as a whole, there is a wide variety of policy options that can work. Trial and error over time will ensure that the policy options that are most appropriate for a particular society and its circumstances will eventually emerge.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 1 2019 3:08 utc | 105

FWIW, I'm supporting the leftiest candidate to emerge from the primaries and hope Bernie, Warren and Gabbard will eventually see the need to merge their efforts to defeat the centrist Biden. I'm not 100% on board with anyone but purity as they say, belongs exclusively to those residing in Heaven.

Worst case scenario, we lose but the window gets shoved farther left for mouthing the words and making the case.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 1 2019 3:18 utc | 106

dh-mtl

Fair enough and well debated all around. We are definitely talking different points of emphasis but I enjoyed the conversation. Thanks

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 1 2019 3:22 utc | 107

@99 psychohistorian

I read your comment here and in the previous thread, as well as karlof1's Hudson piece from 2010 - which is a phenomenal explanation of currency exchange rates, arbitrage and the carry trade, as well as why foreign central banks keep their surplus dollars in US treasuries, and why Wall Street wants China to allow itself to be raped, for Goldman's profit, please and thank you ;)

You do well to be concerned for China, and I can only fall back on faith in the fact that the extremely pluralistic Communist Party runs the economy as well as the rest of the country. China has done well protecting the value of its currency and the value of its citizens' wealth. Every Chinese official who speaks to economic strategy has always struck me as being very smart, and completely knowledgeable as to the western financialized system.

And I think the country is running its economic strategy like a game of GO - except in this case, not necessarily to trap the opponent or to defeat him, but simply in terms of applying game logic to its actions, and considering consequences as a part of every move.

However, I can't answer to your concerns - I don't know enough, and I just don't have the answer.

~~

What I can do instead is offer some positive views of China that may make us all feel better.

So, here's why China is a democracy on a vastly better scale than anything we have in the west (outside of Iceland perhaps):
Selling Democracy to China - Still too soon to tell? by Godfree Roberts

And I have just discovered Martin Jacques - my admiration to all of you who already knew him. He knows China, and he is very savvy on economic matters. Here in this short clip he talks just in the last few weeks about Hong Kong and its existential, economic situation:
Martin Jacques‘ view on the Hong Kong development dilemma [YouTube, 9 mins]

I also note this luminous TED talk from 2011, in which Professor Jacques gave us a true view of the real China back before it all became so glaringly important to us. See how everything since has worked exactly as he explained it back then:
Understanding the rise of China | Martin Jacques [25 mins]

Finally - courtesy again of YouTube, a talk from the very articulate Dr. Dambisa Moyo on how China has been received in Africa. Spoiler: the title says China may be the hero model for all developing economies to follow. I haven't watched yet, but plan to right now if I can ever get out of this thread:
Dambisa Moyo: Is China the new idol for emerging economies?

Hope y'all enjoy!

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 1 2019 3:36 utc | 108

The article I linked to upthread on Facebook's
Libra crypto plan plus things like the Soros/Koch bros plan and this link promoting travel to Crimea and Russia back in PACE lead me to think perhaps some western oligarchs have decided the prospect of serious global military conflict would be bad for business and have begun to advocate a change in tactics

la times travel section, Crimea

Perhaps Russian intervention in Syria, calling Iran an ally, the military and security cooperation with China, Putin's speech on Russian military capability, it's refusal to back away in Ukraine, success with Nordstream pipline have had a cumulative effect and a new reality has begun to take shape... we will see.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 1 2019 3:42 utc | 109

Re karlof1 + T. Gabbard; Best of luck, another reason to back her..

Posted by: ben | Jul 1 2019 3:42 utc | 110


Jimmy Dore: “Tulsi Gabbard Shuts Down War Mongering Tim Ryan”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8xUxHHgq6w

Posted by: Stever | Jul 1 2019 3:56 utc | 111

Israel launched another missile strike on Syria but unlike the last time few times it looks like they directly targeted civilian residential areas with a half-dozen dead and several dozen wounded. I'm not sure if it's related but "something" then crashed in Cyprus a few minutes later, anyone have any news on this? There are some photos claiming that it was an Israeli F-16, but nothing confirmed yet. Anyone have any news, I checked Southfront but as usual the paid trolls have taken over their comments and are spouting out a bunch of gibberish and nonsense. Assuming this is an Israeli F-16 this would be a strong signal from Syria to end the air strikes

Posted by: Kadath | Jul 1 2019 4:01 utc | 112

@ Grieved with the Dambisa Moyo link to a TED talk from 2013 that is on the money today and I will be sharing with friends....thanks

I hope that many of the China bashers here will watch it to learn the truth about Western exceptionalism

And yes, it reinforces my one note Samba about evolving Western private finance into a global public utility....it can't happen too soon, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2019 4:02 utc | 113

Globalization is simply a neoliberal economic substitute for colonialism.

Neoliberals contrary to popular opinion do not believe in self-regulating markets as autonomous entities. They do not see democracy as necessary for capitalism.

The neoliberal globalist world is not a borderless market without nations but a doubled world (economic -global and social- national) . The global economic world is kept safe from democratic national demands for social justice and equality, and in return each nation enjoys cultural freedom.

Neoliberals see democracy as a real problem. Democracy means the unwashed masses can threaten the so called market economy (in fact manipulated and protected markets) with worker demands for living wages and equality and consumer demands for competitive pricing and safe products. Controlling both parties with money prevents that.

In fact, neoliberal thinking is comparable to that of John Maynard Keynes in one respect : “the market does not and cannot take care of itself”.

The neoliberal project did not liberate markets so much as protect them by protecting capitalism against the threat of democracy and to reorder the world where borders provide a captive market

Neoliberals insulate the markets by providing safe harbor for capital, free from fear of infringement by policies of progressive taxation or redistribution. They do this by redesigning government, laws, and other institutions to protect the market.

For example the stock market is propped up by the Feds purchases of futures, replacing the plunge protection teams intervention at an even more extreme level. Manipulation of economic statistics by the BLS also serve a similar purpose.

Another example is getting government to accept monopoly capitalism over competitive capitalism and have appointed judges who believe illegal collusion is nothing more than understandable and legal “conscious parallelism”

Now it seems to me the Koch-Soros think tank is an attempt to unify the neoliberal globalist forces which represent factions from international greenies to nationalist protectionists . In other words to repackage and rename neoliberal globalism while keeping its essence. Be interesting to see what they come up with.

As for China opening to private international finance. They already did that but this takes it to a new level. Like I said. Fake wrestling. This was one of the demands in the trade negotiations by Trump. Why take one of your chips off the table if the game is for real?

China was Made in USA (includes the City of London) like the EU and Putins neoliberal Russia.
One day they will get around telling us they are all buddies, or maybe not. I suspect they have a lot of laughs playing us like they do.

I could be wrong but this is more interesting than the official and semi official narratives.


Posted by: Pft | Jul 1 2019 4:38 utc | 114

Grieved @112 & psychohistorian @99--

Yes, read the excerpts. However, based upon the Politburo White Paper and the fact that Hudson's been traveling to China over the past few years teaching seminars. I suggest you both, and all MoA folk, revisit Hudson telling his life story in China to a Chinese professor. His story's very important for what he reveals. The most important point is his last, which everyone can go and read for themselves. I will say China will never again allow itself to suffer the humiliations it's been subjected to since the early 1800s, and it certainly won't fall prey to Western Financialized Predation.

The hardest part of the overall equation is getting an intelligent, articulate, honest, morally strong, person/people who's politically inclined to understand, work to undo the current status quo, and then create the groundwork for the oncoming paradigm change that no human will be able to alter, who is supported by the greater proportion of society. This latter endeavor--which cannot be avoided but will take time to get going--will require all nations/peoples working together, not just for themselves, to function properly for the remaining eons of time humans ought to be able to inhabit Earth.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 4:52 utc | 115

ben @114--

Thanks! The effort will be positive. Hopefully, I'll be joining my brother in Milwaukee, WI on 20 June 2020. I find the Karma very sexy!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 5:03 utc | 116

karlof1 @104

With all due respect I think you have missed the point I was trying to make.

The comments made on that thread where all about the consequences for the Middle East and the Gulf region with absolutely no comment on what would happen to the continental US (except of course the good Capt. with Don B agreeing).

It's as if the American lives in this vacuum, insulated from the rest of the world and the consequences of their governments actions. This time it will come home to bite them right on their collective arses.

Thank you for pointing me to that thread - but I have previously read it and most of the 300+ comments, but do not have any specific recollection of your contribution - MOA is the only site I visit at least 2-3 times a day, and have done for many years.
But I was talking about the thread that I referenced in the first line of my comment, and to me it stood out like the proverbial dog's balls that the commentary was all about the Middle East.

I sense fear because the Americans that frequent this site more than likely know how vulnerable and how exposed they are to retaliation. Very low tech with devastating consequences for the general population. It's human nature not to talk about the things that you fear most. It is as if talking about it makes it a reality. Please don't take this personally, when I say 'you' it is the collective you.

I just hope that there is at least one person with some influence in the US government that appreciates how easy it is to cripple the US.

Posted by: ted01 | Jul 1 2019 5:38 utc | 117

Something crashed and exploded in north Cyprus during the Israeli attack on Damascus and Homs:

twitter feed

Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 1 2019 5:41 utc | 118

Below is a more detailed posting about the opening up cahnges in China that I reported on yesterday

China releases new industry catalogue encouraging foreign investment

The take away quote
"
China attracted a record high foreign direct investment (FDI) of 138.3 billion U.S. dollars last year, bucking a global trend of FDI slide. In the first five months of this year, the country saw an FDI inflow of 54.6 billion dollars, up 3.7 percent year on year.
"
Until I understand to what extent, if any, private finance is getting a foothold in potential competition with the PBOC, I will continue to believe that ultimate control of finance will remain public in China.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 1 2019 6:20 utc | 119

Thanks karlof1 #57, I respect Putin is no GW denier.

I posted that comment link in response to a past thread where that subject of who the elite will colonise to secure their bolt hole. I don't believe they will find a secure hiding place though.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2019 6:43 utc | 120

snake #97

Why burden b when you can read this by Caitlin Johnston: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/kamala-harris-is-everything-the-establishment-wants-in-a-politician/

especially read this by Helen Hanna in the comments section:

kamala looked aside while wells fargo bank established 3 million fraudulent accounts while she was attorney general of california. she did nothing to punish them. she might as well be wearing a hillary mask. as someone who lived in the bay area for 31 years, i remember her on the 'matier and ross' interview program--her performance was juvenile and silly--- and i remember her being willing to join the parade of willie brown's cocaine addicted mistresses,. as number 21 and as a woman of color, she was a relief---not white, not skanky, no silver cocaine spoon around her neck while pretending to eat dinner at chez michel with willie, but why on earth would you want to join this parade and go out with this sleazy man whose kiton suits do not improve his image one bit, a politician who offended the san francisco public by his obnoxious habit of publicly flaunting his many skanky female hangers on, and reveling in their 'whiteness.' what a bad choice kamala made. remember that pelosi and feinstein wouldn't let willie brown anywhere near the inauguration podium of barack obama because these women did not want willie's offensive background to sully obama. willie had had an illegitimate child while 'serving as' mayor of san francisco, a city of 500 churches, mostly catholic. the catholic church continued to retain him in the role --'of counsel.' that was astounding to me, absolutely astounding.... willie also laundered drug money in a sutter street garage with his haberdasher, wilkes bashford, but dianne feinstein prevented him from being jailed. i can just see the sisterhood at temple emanuel where dianne feinstein worships--i can just see them admonishing her for even suggesting one of serial adulterer willie's former mistresses be the first woman president....is that why senator feinstein is keeping such a low profile lately? what i don't understand is why pelosi and feinstein keep bringing us these puppet-like women----hillary will always be bill's puppet and kamala will be willie's puppet. you cannot possibly choose two more sleazy, obnoxious men to be your superior.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2019 7:07 utc | 121

Once again Israel attacks Syrian and Iranian forces in Syria. These attacks are acts of aggressive war, of course, illustrating over and over again the monstrous double standard that continues in global politics, but who cares at this point? Russia as always not only says nothing, but more than that, is clearly in collusion with these attacks. Well, maybe it's just that Russian anti-air technology is totally useless, right? Regardless, a strong message has been sent to Iran: Russia will be more than happy to watch from the sidelines as the US, UK and Israel stomp you into bloody mush.

Posted by: paull | Jul 1 2019 7:21 utc | 122

So, rival=enemy for the Western mindset?

link

...plague to your all houses then.

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 1 2019 9:40 utc | 123

I'm looking at those (very poor) photos on twitter of... whatever it was... that crashed in Cyprus.

My first thought is that this is the remains of a Russian-built and Syrian-operated SAM that didn't self-destruct.

I still think that's the most likely answer... but... but... if you turned an F-16 upside-down and then smashed it into bedrock at a crazy-fast speed then it's not at all impossible that what is being posted are photos of the two immoveable ventral fins that help the F-16 maintain directional stability.

They are the right shape, and to my untrained eye about the right size. They are even canted out at pretty much the same angle.

I won't swear that's what they are, but if they are not then I can't see how they can be the remains of anything that the IDF flies.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 1 2019 10:32 utc | 124

paull

Good post, what we see is another example what Russia's appeasement of Israel leads to, Putin could of course not be trusted.

Some days ago the russians said this to Israel:

Vladimir Putin's adviser to Israel: Israel’s security important, Russian ‘countrymen' are here
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Putin-adviser-Israels-security-to-Russia-important-because-all-countrymen-here-593541

Putin, Russia has of course never said anything alike to the syrian people.
Apparently Syria has not even received/trained with the S300 and one begs to ask if russian arms isnt anything of value anyway consider the stray missile landing in Cyprus which could have caused alot of deaths.

Syria should strengthen its tie to China, perhaps they are willing to sell real arms.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 1 2019 10:41 utc | 125

This is a very tall order but if anyone has links to any place with details on the actual flight paths (not some arrows in an illustration) and heights of this attack or previous ones following the same approach I would love to see them in order to confirm a suspicion or two.

I haven't found anything like it so far and it's probably not available to us in the public. Only descriptions of the Israeli planes usually flying low on the Lebanese side of the border and following it for attacks on these locations.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 1 2019 10:52 utc | 126

karlof1 @ 74 says:

And on those two issues alone, I've decided to work for her campaign!

well, here's wishing you the best of karmic blowback. allocate those Soros/Koch greenbacks wisely.

Posted by: john | Jul 1 2019 11:00 utc | 127

Here is an image showing the ventral fins of an F-16 that Yeah, Right @128 mentioned above. I hope this image is small enough not to blow up the thread, but if not I hope it isn't too much hassle for b to delete this post.

I think Yeah, Right might be right.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 1 2019 11:06 utc | 128

Some deal Putin has with Netanyahoo! So now Israel can launch attacks on Syria and kill civilians, too???

Israeli missile strike Syria kills civilians including baby

F...k the deal!

Posted by: Circe | Jul 1 2019 11:15 utc | 129

@132 William, yes, those are the fins I was talking about.

Odd, but southfront has a set of four photos here:
https://southfront.org/in-photos-syrian-s-200-missile-crashed-in-cyprus/
which they claim to be of an S-200

I say odd because the first two photos are clearly of a different bit of wreckage to the 3rd and 4th photos.

I have no problems seeing photos 3 and 4 as being the wreckage of a ground to air missile - the entire assemblage would barely come up beyond the waist of the soldier in the 4th photo.

But photos 1 and 2 are of something much bigger - the most upright fin is sitting nearly head-high to the people who are examining it.

What is stopping me from claiming that those first two photos show the upside-down wreckage of the rear section of an F-16 is that.... rail... thing that is clearly visible in photo 1. I don't have a clue what that represents.

But the fin in photo 2 is a dead ringer for the ventral fin on the F-16 photo that you posted.

I *think* that the Syrians have bagged their second F-16.
I won't swear to it, but, yeah, it looks like it to me.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 1 2019 11:35 utc | 130

Yeah, Right

'What is stopping me from claiming that those first two photos show the upside-down wreckage of the rear section of an F-16 is that.... rail... thing that is clearly visible in photo 1. I don't have a clue what that represents.'

Looks like to being the control wiring for the fin/nozzle? actuators.

'I have no problems seeing photos 3 and 4 as being the wreckage of a ground to air missile - the entire assemblage would barely come up beyond the waist of the soldier in the 4th photo.'

I believe you're being mislead by the camera's projection. That soldier seems to be standing on the ridge visible to the left of his hip further downhill. Also, have a closer look at the size of the burnt trees, to me they don't seem to be less than 5-6 feet in height.

Posted by: Hmpf | Jul 1 2019 11:53 utc | 131

@ Posted by: Lochearn | Jun 30, 2019 9:33:07 PM | 89

What you described is precisely a symptom of falling profitability. Financialisation, for example, only increases when the "real economy" is not profiting enough anymore.

It's important to highlight that the tendency of the profit rate to fall doesn't necessarily means a company is losing money, but just that the profit rate is secularly decreasing. Since it's a tendency, it also doesn't mean this fall happens linearly: capital still operates in cycles. However, over the long term, profit rates will fall, no matter what.

Posted by: vk | Jul 1 2019 11:54 utc | 132

> is that.... rail... thing that is clearly visible in photo 1

There is a similar... extrusion?.. kind of connecting the main wing and the horizontal fin at WG's #132 photo, below and slightly right from 84706 marking

However the very shape is wrong.
WG's photo show downward ventral thing as having maximum "height" at the beginning, where the slated forward edge ends, then towards the rearward orthogonal edge the height slightly decreases.

The photo #1 shows different shape: the height is constant, parallel to the base, and the rearward edge is slanted too not orthogonal

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 1 2019 12:04 utc | 133

@135 Hmpf "Looks like to being the control wiring for the fin/nozzle? actuators."

Maybe nozzles. Maybe. Not the fins, because those fins in photos 1 and 2 look to be fixed fins.

"Also, have a closer look at the size of the burnt trees, to me they don't seem to be less than 5-6 feet in height."

There are no trees visible in any of the photos. Those are shrubs, none of which look to be more than a metre tall. If that.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 1 2019 12:14 utc | 134

About the deindustrialization process in the USA since the 1970s:

The G20 and the cold war in technology

The biggest reason Trump can’t bring back home these manufacturing jobs is because they have been lost in large part to the success of ‘efficiency’ in the US Over the past three-and-a-half decades, manufacturers have shed more than seven million jobs while producing more stuff than ever. The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) reported in The Manufacturing Footprint and the Importance of U.S. Manufacturing Jobs that “If you try to understand how so many jobs have disappeared, the answer that you come up with over and over again in the data is that it’s not trade that caused that — it’s primarily technology,”…Eighty percent of lost jobs were not replaced by workers in China, but by machines and automation. That is the first problem if you slap on tariffs. What you discover is that American companies are likely to replace its more expensive workers with machines.”

More evidence for Marx's Law: the USA was a victim of its own success, not of its own failures, nor because of alien enemies.

Posted by: vk | Jul 1 2019 12:22 utc | 135

@137 "However the very shape is wrong.
WG's photo show downward ventral thing as having maximum "height" at the beginning, where the slated forward edge ends, then towards the rearward orthogonal edge the height slightly decreases."

Maybe. I'm not totally convinced by that argument as the underbelly of the fuselage is not describing a straight line. It curves up as it goes rearward to meet up with the engine nozzle.

You may be right. I'm not at all sure.

"The photo #1 shows different shape: the height is constant, parallel to the base, and the rearward edge is slanted too not orthogonal"

Hmmm, maybe. That's a bad angle, and I'm inclined to think that photo 1 is showing the "other" fin to that shown in photo 2 and so it may - or may not - be more battered than the latter.

But, again, I'll invite you to look at the fin in photo 2. That fin is very obviously intact, and if you compare the shape of that fin to the file photo of an F-16 in full flight then, well, it's a pretty good match to my eye.

Again, I admit I may be wrong. But, gosh, it looks a dead ringer to me.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 1 2019 12:28 utc | 136

The "big ring" thing clearly seen on #3 and #4 - what is it ? It stands well apart from debris, at least in top half of photo.
It is also has quite small "width", which is stressed by some attached shard of plate in the leftmost part of the ring on #3 photo.


Nothing of a kind on photo #1 and on photo #2 there is some curved band with two lines of wholes, which is too "wide" to be the ring.

Also, can we somehow tell, assuming one place is being shot, which pair was first? Were #1 and #2 shot before #3 and #4 or otherwise?

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 1 2019 12:29 utc | 137

Taking a closer look at the images in the article that Yeah, Right posted a link to @134 I have to agree. Images 3 and 4 are the right size and shape for an S-200 after the boosters have dropped away. Images 1 and 2 are not only the wrong shape, but you can clearly see the frame and longeron structure under the skin... skin which appears to be fiber reinforced resin with much of the resin burned away.

From a military aviation geek, Joe Baugher, a description of the structure of the F-16 sounds like what we see:

"...vertical stabilizer has a multi-spar and multi-rib structure made from aluminum, but the skins are made of graphite epoxy. The two ventral fins underneath the fuselage are made of glass fibre. There is a runway arrester hook underneath the rear fuselage..."

Far too much labor involved in manufacturing that frame and longeron structure we see in images 1 and 2 for it to be part of a cheap and disposable missile. In the best imagery I can find of the S-200 the fins appear to be thin but solid aluminum or steel, not FRP layered over ribs and stringers.

Once again I think Yeah, Right may be correct and that we are looking at wreckage from two (or more) vehicles.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 1 2019 12:35 utc | 138

One other point from that description of the F-16 that I linked above is that the aircraft is designed to be "broken apart" for maintenance right at the location where the break appears in the images 1 and 2 in the article that Yeah, Right linked to. The F-16 fuselage is designed to separate there, so it is no surprise if that portion sheers off in a crash.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 1 2019 12:43 utc | 139

@141 Arioch My guess is that photos 3 and 4 show the wreckage of a Russian-made surface to air missile, and photos 1 and 2 show the wreckage of the aircraft that the SAM was fired at.

They are two different objects, but if the one shot down the other then both will land in roughly the same location.

But there is no way at all that the wreckage shown in photos 1 and 2 came from the same object that produced the wreckage shown in photos 3 and 4.

As WG pointed out, the larger wreckage is made of a laminated, ribbed and framed structure, while the smaller object is made of metal sheets.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jul 1 2019 12:56 utc | 140

I commented on the SF page and was directed to the pair of "marked" photos:

* link
* link

[Learn how to post links. Do NOT put the URL into the text field. - b]

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 1 2019 13:18 utc | 141

ted01 90

I let the comment by Capt. Abdul Hassan stand by itself, as what I think it was - a proclamation to Americans. So when he said "You Americans" I did not take that as reference to MoA, as Karlof did.

Posted by: gzon | Jul 1 2019 14:55 utc | 142

Latest figure on death toll in Syria from Israeli strikes is 15. There should be hell to pay for this, but since Trump and Putin are so chummy with Netanyahoo, Syrians and Iranians are on their own to pay Israel back.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 1 2019 15:52 utc | 143

gzon @142--

Looks like I'll need to spell out what I meant in answering the good Captain: Given the focus of his comment, I assumed his assumption that MoA is an American blog, not one operated by a German whose title is based upon the poetic product of another German--facts that confuse all sorts of people who immediately see Alabama written in English and make what seems on the surface to be a logical connection--but isn't--thus my rejoinder about doing one's recon prior to exposing yourself as ignorant.

ted01 @117--

29 comments on that thread were by me about the thread topic; 4 more were at its end between myself and Formerly T-Bear--so about 10% of the comments were made by me and a similar amount were made in reply giving roughly 20% of the relevant discourse directed by or aimed at me. Amazing you recall none of it, particularly this translation of the extremely important article about Patrushev's Jerusalem meeting where it was spelled out that Iran is a Russian ALLY, with all the implications carried by its being under Russia's nuclear umbrella.

Fear can be many things and many things can be fearful. The fear resulting from 1962 led to saner thinking about nuclear weapons and the beginning of arms control talks and treaties to try and contain the insanity of nuclear war. Then there's the fear that was employed on 11 September 2001 that's been used to wage war and eliminate the arms treaties and the talks that lead to them. That's why Dore poses the 911 question to Gabbard at the outset of their interview. As a student of the Outlaw US Empire's history, I'm very much aware that those we might fear the most reside within our national government and without in in the guise of what I term the Current Oligarchy. However, I don't fear them; I loathe them, despise them, and want to bring them down so they can no longer terrorize anyone anywhere, which is what they seem to enjoy doing. If I fear anything aside from threats to my own personal health, I fear the ongoing continuity of the Current Oligarchy such that the evolution we must undertake is delayed until it's too late causing far more suffering than will otherwise be the case. The rapid incineration of nuclear war would likely be preferable to an otherwise slow grinding death resulting from our vast ecological overshoot.

People were once and are still taught to Fear God. But IMO, the fear that a god might instill is dwarfed by the fear of Man's Inhumanity to Man, which we see daily, hourly, every single waking moment. I've seen death up close and personal; have you? Death does not cause fear in me; we all die. Clearly, life is priceless. Unfortunately, such an outlook isn't a shared universal value. The Boltons, Pompeos and Pences of the world aren't worthy of being feared; rather, they must be ostracized and separated from the humanity they loathe until they pass away.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 16:16 utc | 144

I would just like to second Grieved @94 in all senses.

Posted by: Tannehouser | Jul 1 2019 16:23 utc | 145

john @127--

So, you're against trying to arrive at peace in the world? Against trying to get money out of politics? Against stopping the Outlaw US Empire from meddling in the affairs of every nation on the planet? Against helping others less fortunate than yourself?

What sort of monster are you, john?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 16:36 utc | 146

Tannehouser @145--

Thanks very much. As you see, the opposition has already announced itself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 16:40 utc | 147

Unidentified Object Crashes in Northern Cyprus
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/unidentified-object-crashes-in-northern-cyprus-after-israeli-attack-on-syria-video/

The field of debris, suggested by the fires in this night time video, looks pretty large to be from a missile.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 1 2019 16:46 utc | 148

Karlof 144

Yes I fully understood that from the beginning, I just did not draw the assumption that he was referencing MoA in any way, instead it seemed to me that he was using the site as a platform to make a statement to any Americans anywhere. It could be read both ways, and I don't think the author will go into explaining his intent with regard.

Posted by: gzon | Jul 1 2019 16:50 utc | 149

karlof1 - are you a women? i know it is a personal question, but i am curious to ask!

Posted by: james | Jul 1 2019 16:51 utc | 150

Spokesman: INSTEX Fails to Meet Iran's Demands

Posted by: james | Jul 1 2019 16:52 utc | 151

fars news on the israeli missile attacks offers a bit more..
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13980410000961

Posted by: james | Jul 1 2019 16:55 utc | 152

A drone footage of the crash site is available here: Место падения неопознанного объекта на Кипре сняли на видео с беспилотника. Pause at 00:05 and compare the fins of the crashed missile to the available photos of S-200 (use Google Images search). It looks nothing like S-200. It's also not S-75. It looks kinda like the S-125 booster, but not really. The S-125 booster fins are perfectly rectangular, while the crashed missile fins are slightly slanted at the front, on the side and at the back. Plus, a booster would probably not fly as far as Cyprus, cause it's a booster. So it's not S-125 either. A photo of S-300 launch clearly shows it's not S-300 either. And this photo shows it's not S-400 either. (Of course, S-300/S-400 are names of the complete systems, not the missiles themselves. There are many different missiles that can be used with S-300/S-400. However, the outward shape of all of them seems to be the same.) So which is it? I have no idea.

Posted by: S | Jul 1 2019 17:18 utc | 153

james @150--

That's really funny in two different ways. First, you ask if I'm a "women"--plural--I roared at that!!!! Second, as you ought to know all men are half woman--Xy, not XX. I'm trying to recall if I've ever referred to myself in a pronoun reference--he said, she said, etc--but that would entail some weird prose construction I don't ever recall doing. I think I once said out of us three kids two of us are boys with one sister. I provided my ethnic background to Formerly T-Bear when explaining the source of my brother's witticism. And perhaps in writing about the natural occurrence of male and female dominant gender-bending that results in homosexual proclivity I may have divulged my genuine gender. I know I've mentioned I have a female partner, that I was previously twice married, divorced and fathered a daughter. So, there you have it! I knew I'd mentioned it somewhere during the years of commenting here. I also once explained my moniker. You like jazz and live in BC, IIRC. I like to visit Seattle's Jazz Alley twice or so yearly. Perhaps you might come South into Outlaw Territory to meet, chat and listen to some good music towards noel time?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 17:28 utc | 154

@ karlof

The article by Hudson is very insightful, but I don't draw the same conclusion for the origin of money, nor the evolution of early economy and hierarchy, to me it seems he has applied an interpretation that may or may not be correct.

The linking of weights and tokens to communal grain storage under religious or hierarchical control is another reality that has been found in early history, as has it been accepted widely that precious metals substituted direct barter due to their fungibility and worth. To the trade in these were eventually added stamps of proof that gave credence to the hierarchy of the day and allowed an early form of seigniorage. As to how land was allocated it is also suggested that this occurred after communal settlement without specific land rights had taken place, via patronage by a more organised civil society in nearby centers of population. It obviously also depends on region and period, there are different early histories from around the world.

It makes for interesting discussion, but it often gets politicised as well...well you know I am closer to Austrian theory anyway :) .

Posted by: gzon | Jul 1 2019 17:34 utc | 155

gzon @155--

You are aware that Hudson worked with the experts at the Peabody Museum for several decades and published a series of works detailing their discoveries that he's been trying to organize in a more understandable manner so that it can become of use in our modern age.

Regarding the origin of money, you might find this series of a dozen blog posts about it and its evolution of interest as something to peruse when you find yourself with extra time. The series fills a niche in my Hudson Project folder since Hudson and I are both interested in investigating the same things essentially. The hypothesis Hudson proposes of an historical Hebraic Revolutionary Jesus intent on reestablishing Mosaic Law and overthrowing his Current Oligarchy I find very attractive as it also overthrows much of the current religious establishment, which has long been an oligarchy itself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 18:29 utc | 156

It's hard to criticize Syria, Turkey, Russia for causing civilian casualties while giving the Zionists a pass. But maybe NY Times will tell the truth for a change:

"Israel Deadly Missile Strikes in Syria kill 10 civilians and wound 49 others, including a baby and women."

Pictures of the once living now dead are all over Twitter.

Meanwhile, the killer Nuttyahoo demands more anti-Iran action. He belongs in that select group I mention at the end of my 144 comment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 18:45 utc | 157

It seems Trump sensed he needed to rekindle the idea that he can talk to others productively given the hoopla surrounding his meeting with Kim and stepping into the DPRK. Xinhuanet cites KCNA:

"It was the good personal relationship with Trump that made such a dramatic meeting possible at just one-day's notice, noting that the good relations 'would continue to produce good results and work at a mysterious force to overcome manifold difficulties in the future,' Kim was quoted by the KCNA as saying....

"The KCNA said the two leaders' bold and brave decisions that led to the historic meeting created unprecedented trust between the two countries."

Looks like Kim and KCNA are learning the art of applying Maximum Pressure as the rhetoric is aimed squarely at Bolton, Pompeo and their staffs.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 19:08 utc | 158

Another wreckage photo.
Allegedly jet in-flight refuelling nozzle

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4251b81241d22ed3086c5e65d8b1f0dc29b4d3913b13eded68aa2acbc2ac6c50.jpg

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 1 2019 19:15 utc | 159

Keying in HTML is not easy on phone keyboard.

To which extent you are in control of this page?

Can you add CSS to the page? Can you add scripts? Can you enable IMG tag?

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 1 2019 19:24 utc | 160

https://davidwalsh.name/fix-long-link-wrapping

It would probably take add this rule globally or only to those links inside the comments.

Or maybe even for links with no headlines, but i am not sure basic CSS provides for it.

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 1 2019 19:32 utc | 161

Some relevant links from this week, in tune with skim of the posts above:

Super dooper China is +++ (some points worth it, i recommend)

https://www.unz.com/article/selling-democracy-to-china/

Charles Koch and George Soros Team Up to Fund New Anti-Interventionist Think Tank

Link is to Democracy Now. (many other articles, goog: Koch Soros, unlikely combo.)

https://bit.ly/2XEgrYN

Description of the INSTEX mechanism that will, supposedly, permit Iran to trade with the EU while by-passing US sanctions.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/instex-blow-us-sanctions

Note it is Iran who will judge if it is ‘good enough’. 2 reports I read stated that Iran has not set up the
corresponding needed facility in Iran (barter exchange without ‘money’ thru financial system, aka US banking.)

A reminder of the Gilens _ Page study showing that US citizens desires, povs, etc. are not represented at all. PDF.

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

Der Spiegel - article stating that the German ‘energy transition’ has failed (everyone knew it, but now it is public..)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/148Lym3a487S8lha50QXGJfjQ1HmlNyj3QfLqAt0k0ng/edit

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 1 2019 19:35 utc | 162

Karlof 156

Thank you for that link. Titles or public connections rarely impress me, so you would have lost me there except for the fact that his studies are historical in context, which is of interest to me.

However, he seems to be superimposing from start to finish that true money is debt/credit, in an impersonal commercial sense. This is exactly what is expected from statist philosophy that believes in the ownership of money supply, in the forceful imposition of value by taxation/legal tender law, which is the very cornerstone of fiat currency and modern debt levels. In essence the creation of new (debt) money dilutes the personal wealth of existing owners and hands power to (in his case) seemingly socialist ambition and management. That is administrative or political currency.

To austrian economists all transactions are personal and carry a personal significance that is reflected in the values reached and expressed in the market. That reality also happens to represent tradition, including cultural and social, something increasingly missing nowadays in my opinion.

So I do not buy his line of thought, however the crux of how credit and debt have come to interact with (or almost completely obscure) the base meaning of money (and for sure you know the very origin of the word) is fascinating, he himself describes the exit from the gold standard quite clearly.

Posted by: gzon | Jul 1 2019 19:47 utc | 163

karlof1 @44

Once again you have missed the point.

I suspect this subject has been well and truly exhausted.

Thank you.

Posted by: ted01 | Jul 1 2019 20:14 utc | 164

karlof1 says:

What sort of monster are you, john

the cynical sort.

the government is corrupt, broken, dysfunctional, and beyond repair, with an atrocious public approval rating, which is why i voted for Cynthia McKinney in 2008, who now works outside of government for positive change, the only place it's gonna come from, imho. i even advocated for her in a recent thread...and didn't hear a fucking peep out of anyone.

whatever Tulsi is all about remains to be seen. talk is cheap. i'm thinking the powers that be would like to nip in the bud the recent anti-war whisperings, and if i ponder the visible players, study their records, and extrapolate thus, it's hardly a long shot to conclude that she's likely just business as usual.

no, karlof1, you well know that i'm not against any of those things you mention, which makes your rather vicious smear highly suspect, not to mention downright self-righteous.

Posted by: john | Jul 1 2019 20:14 utc | 165

gzon @163--

FYI, that site's run by a different academic, not Hudson.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 20:28 utc | 166

@154 karlof1.. okay - thanks! yes - my typing mistake on that one, but glad it brought a laugh to you... my wife and i used to go down to portland quite often, but haven't been in some time... there are a few reasons for this, but not because we didn't always enjoy it - we did! they have some great jazz music in portland.. few recent people i have been listening to from portland are david freisen - bassist, who plays with a piano player named greg goebel... alan jones on drums is also fun to listen to... if you haven't heard these players, you need to go check them out since you live their! the next time we come down, i will contact you beforehand.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Jul 1 2019 20:31 utc | 167

Karlof 156 cont.

When we speak of unadulterated capitalism and capital, we start with the most basic capital we have, our hands. If I go and LABOUR by planting a tree and caring for it, the fruit I consider mine. I might give those away at choice, or exchange them for something else of value. That something eventually became known as money, a commonly recognised unit, it's strength being that it could not be replicated, and its worth accepted in a wider market by others. The fruit of a persons labour was transmitted to descendants and family in tradition, in a society that respected that tradition. The whole process is very very personal, including where extended business starts appearing.

Now, you want me to both accept taxation, where to not compete is a losing proposition, and to accept that finance is able to conjure up replica money using that taxation as basis, with which I have to compete with own earnings that are steadily purposefully diluted - I take it very very very personally. What are you going to offer me, subsidy from the pooled value now under your control ? Because it is a social and "fair" management of reality ? Communism and socialism do not work, they remove the most natural good incentives a person can have to actually go out and achieve anything, they dull what are otherwise lively common understandings, they diminish societies that otherwise have open appreciation for the effort of others. They try to own those, and they end up as dictatorships to try to impose an own ideological dream. The same can be said of crony capitalism, which approaches fascism.

That is why I subscribe to minarchic classical liberal notions of organisation, with hard money and transparency of finance, as compromise. You know Iran and Saudi are gold backed, don't you. You can figure out from that part of what is going on, maybe.

Posted by: gzon | Jul 1 2019 20:32 utc | 168

@165 john - that was why i was asking if karlof1 was a woman... it seemed out of context.. i was trying to figure it out as well..

Posted by: james | Jul 1 2019 20:32 utc | 169

It's becoming increasingly clear that the Syrian (or possibly the Russian) air defenses successfully shot down an enemy aircraft (presumably an Israeli, but maybe an American or Turkish plane). However, none of the major media outlets, including RT and Sputnik, are making a big deal of this event, so it looks like the big players are deliberately trying to play down this event - could it be that the Walrus and the Nitwit tried to stoke a major international crisis in Syria, but they got burned and are now trying to supress their failure?

Posted by: Kadath | Jul 1 2019 20:55 utc | 170

john @165--

My apologies! The bronchitis I'm fighting is robbing me of sleep.

Interesting you self-described Cynic as I was wondering how Stoics and Cynics of the classical sort would respond to our modern dilemmas. As mom's Alzheimer's worsened deepening the stress/depression combo that was part of the job caring for her, my cynicism escalated then peaked about 6 weeks after her death about a year ago. Now for the first time in 5-6 years, I now have the opportunity to get out of my house and interact with society at large again, which is one of my motivations in working for Gabbard. I'm not as pessimistic as an Eeyore nor Pollyannish as I know well the enemy, but my conscious won't allow me to sit and watch anymore. My experience with Nader 2000 went about as anticipated; but given the outcome, I was glad to know the truth of the matter from the inside.

Sorry, but IMO too many people become Eeyores, mope and moan as they do nothing instead of trying to make a difference. As Nader famously said: "If you don't turn on to politics; politics will turn on you." And that's an historically proven maxim to be sure!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2019 21:02 utc | 171

This is a remarkable thread for content, maybe the best Week in Review in recent times anyway! Bravo to all.

I think I'm fifth or maybe sixth in supporting Grieved's appraisal and praise of karlof1 - let's just say he's
ten times a winner of the Grand Flagon here at the bar. (I don't drink much but I will drink to that.) I have
yet to enjoy the link to the Tulsi Gabbard piece, but have it first up among so so many others, Grieved's on China
as well. So many goodies!!

I did think that 'you Americans' was somewhat strongly all-inclusive, but I can understand karlof1's sensitivity
on the fear aspect, and no, didn't think he was a woman after previous discussions. I voted for Nader; am most
proud of that one. I think that was when we all realized the most important ideas were being repressed. Fear?
I'm an FDR type American if not native born. We have nothing to fear but...

I asked my eldest son, (who I think is of the same spiritual path as she) what did he think of Tulsi Gabbard?
He responded, "She's good, but they'll never let her." I said what about the military aspect? He said "That's
Hawaii for you." (He has lived there.)

Thanks to all, and especially b, for this remarkable forum!

Posted by: juliania | Jul 1 2019 21:09 utc | 172

From Andy Korybko

“There’s no more convincing proof that last week’s historic National Security Summit in Jerusalem between Russia, “Israel”, and the US was a success than the self-professed “Jewish State’s” latest anti-Iranian strikes in Syria, which were more than likely approved — if not coordinated — by Moscow in advance as part of its regional “balancing” strategy in pursuit of a “New Detente”.”

Thinking some more on Soros-Koch partnership to avoid military use to settle disputes. When you think of it, after Syria, Iran and Venezuela pretty much everyone is on board the Neoliberal Globalism ship that the global elites party on. Hence, very soon they may dispense with Militant Globalism that some call American Imperialism. At that time they will end the fake wrestling between the West and China and Russia and the leaders will all hold hands.

But what then?. A world at peace? How do you eliminate or greatly reduce the contribution of the Global MIC to the global economy? Its hard to wrap your head around, hence the need for a think tank to dwell on it.

A similar question was asked in the 60’s. It led to “A report from Iron Mountain”. The authors were anonymous but they considered various options to replace a War Economy. Replacing military use against nations to fighting manufactured threats such as Environmental, Terrorism, Aliens and a peaceful economy where there was a universal income , work as an option , and free healthcare and education. Utopia.

Obviously they kept the MIC and supplemented it with environmental scares and terrorism but perhaps now some are at least contemplating a world without the MIC and Militant Globalism to be replaced by something else.

One of the options already on the table is the Green New Deal using the Environmental Scare of AGW. You even see Big Oil and some conservative groups acknowledging AGW. Nobody wants to be left behind when money starts flowing from the MIC to the GND.

I for one will believe it when I see it though. Militarism is probably here to stay after they consider the options. A more likely scenario is to direct the military against the citizens it was meant to protect. Call them homegrown terrorists and put them in camps. Or maybe an alien threat. That might be fun until you get accused of being one. I hope I am wrong. Probably wont be around to see how it turns out, but thats probably not a bad thing.

Posted by: Pft | Jul 1 2019 23:25 utc | 173

To file under You Can't Make This Stuff Up:

"After Sanders Points Out Poorest Have Zero or Negative Wealth, WaPo Fact Checker Slammed for Calling That Fact 'Not Especially Meaningful'

"The notion 'that it's 'not meaningful' that the bottom 50 percent of earners have no net worth because they have a bunch of debt—is a completely nonsensical take,' wrote one journalist."

The dude who wrote those words isn't a journalist; he's a propagandist.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2019 0:36 utc | 174

Here is an introduction to monetary theory of the middle ages, in Europe. It is still very clear that money is considered property here, i.e. it is tangible outside of law and owned by the holder. In that period, there was not the pseudo-spectrum of political thought we have in more modern history, it was more a balance between feudal absolutism, religious authority or temperance, and social acceptance. The insistence of taxation being paid in sovereign currency did not exclude the use of other currency in everyday practice, so quite obvious was the connect/disconnect between administrative values, law and common dealings. The perception of money as debt/credit was clearly an administrative invention, the manipulation of values by debasement being in open discussion. Since 1971 "money" is credit backed by nothing, grafted onto previous values, with the only thing left to debase being the lingering perception of those values, and the financial and legal machinery that works to keep the concept accepted or effective by outright control of volume and its associated debt.

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/689839

As a suplement, a reminder the temple of Juno Moneta (money) initially oversaw the purity of mint, that although weight adjustments occured in republican times they were not hidden debasement, the fineness was reduced later under empire, when the geo/political control existed to a degree to force acceptance of detached or imposed values

https://www.jstor.org/stable/263497?seq=6#metadata_info_tab_contents

So the kind of revisionist definitions Hudson offers are basically offensive, he should use "fiat money", "I owe you nothing money", ""as good as gold money"", "pseudo money" etc. etc. etc., but not try to claim "modern money" is actually the basis money proper worked (and works) off.

Posted by: gzon | Jul 2 2019 1:09 utc | 175

The Hispanic Women's Caucus went to Texas today to tour the Concentration Camps. They're horrific!. And the people meting out the abuse are skum, ought to be reported for child and elder abuse, and treated accordingly! If I treated anyone like these people are being treated, I'd be arrested and jailed in a heartbeat.

What this displays is the utter ugliness of the internal workings of the Outlaw US Empire. But we must remember that this sort of treatment and the culture its spawned began under Obama/Biden, and the funding's been bipartisan, just like the Wars.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2019 1:16 utc | 176

gzon@175

I know you didn't mean to spark this in me, but thanks very much for referring to the temple of Juno
as the depository for (I guess) Rome's money supply. That reminded me of the temple of Athena in
Athens similarly 'tasked'.

I was wanting to thank b especially for including Nils Miller's vibrant defense of the rights of
Julian Assange - that's a lively piece and it isn't long, so I do recommend to latecomers that
they go upstairs and read the entire op-ed, as indeed he points out that what is being done to
Assange is merely one of the foremost of many torture dominoes falling. He is us.

So I reflected that indeed, once you have read Michael Hudson's bio you realize that he too has
amazingly risen above other 'truth tellers', but in the economics field - and now I will get to what
was my thought stirred by your post above, gzon [God's Own?]. That is, that the latest book by
Prof. Hudson is, in effect, a return to the sanctity of the monetary system - in pointing to the
Biblical precedents which are based on true economics principles as he understands them. Now,
given Prof. Hudson's background, I do not think he is 'ripe for conversion' - he's on a far different
path. But I love the accidental parallel, and I fondly hope we are coming full circle in understanding
that Biblical texts aren't just patriarchal mumbo jumbo.

Professor Hudson may not be returning us to the Temple, but he's at least causing many to think
and read about it. And that way lies understanding and enlightenment, as I think was your point, gzon!

Posted by: juliania | Jul 2 2019 8:18 utc | 177

Woops, the name is Nils Melzer in my post above. Apologies (it is very late here.)

Posted by: juliania | Jul 2 2019 8:28 utc | 178

> "After Sanders Points Out Poorest Have Zero or Negative Wealth....
> "The notion 'that it's 'not meaningful' that the bottom 50 percent of earners...

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 2 2019 1:36 utc | 174

R u sure that it is about 50% ?

Because, at least in Russian language, ain't that sure about English, when talking "poorEST" you are already "scrapping the barrel". Not merely "poor", not even "poorer" but "poorEST" ? It is about 1% or maybe 5% but not half the nation.

So either Sanders screwed the language, making exaggerated claim that "half the nation are barrel's bottom", and then journo talked on the natural assumption Sanders was talking about extreme edge case.
Or, well, or America screwed it all above mere "royally"

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 2 2019 9:37 utc | 179

More on the appeasement by Russia on Israel:

"Israel’s Latest Strikes in Syria Prove that the US-Russia-Israel Jerusalem National Security Summit Was a Success"
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-latest-strikes-syria-prove-jerusalem-summit-success/5682331

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 2 2019 10:04 utc | 180

karlof1 @ 171

no sweat. even if here in central Italy we're well into a real heat wave. i'm gonna whip up a batch of strawberry ice cream!

Posted by: john | Jul 2 2019 13:40 utc | 181


[anti-semitic bullshit deleted - see my comment below for the reason – b.]

“You are doing exactly what many Zionists do. You conflate Jews and Jewish institutions with support for Israel. That is anti-semitic.

You compared Jews in general with parasites. That is also anti-semitic.” - b.

@Zachary Smith

Who but a zionist of a nazi would call people of Jewish believe a race or nation? Who but a Zionist of a Nazi would call Israel a "Jewish state"? - b.

RTFLMAO

Imagine posting comments like the ones above on Unz Review.

Imagine actually believing these comments

Even worse: Imagine having to comment on a blog where the moderator posts child-like comments like the ones above

If b. were the moderator at Unz Reviewer, 95 percent of the comments would have to be deleted for “anti-semitism”

Imagine if Louis-Ferdinand Céline’s “Bagatelles pour un massacre” or Martin Heidegger’s Gesamtausgabe had been submitted to b. for publication

I think it’s safe to assume that those two works of genius (and many others) would never have seen the light of day

Compared to Unz Review, this blog is like kindergarten for special needs children


Posted by: Ferdinand Bardamu | Jul 3 2019 2:20 utc | 182

Great name Ferdinand Bardamu.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 3 2019 4:13 utc | 183

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