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June 09, 2019

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2019-32

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Posted by b on June 9, 2019 at 11:26 AM | Permalink

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@ c1ue, prior post #39 Link to comment

Had OT enough on that thread but wanted to point out another source that would sustain your observations in that comment in Charles C. Mann's 1493 How Europe's Discovery of the Americas Revolutionized Trade, Ecology and Life on Earth ISBN 978-1-84708-245-9 Granta. As well, David Graeber's DebtThe First 5,000 Years ISBN 978-1-61219-419-6 Melville House ff parts concerning historical debt and slavery. I generally subscribe your comment but would observe slavery was Constitutionally allowed both as a practical matter and a political compromise needed for successful agreements among differing interests, first there was no alternative at the time for production to replace slavery, secondly those areas south of the Mason-Dixon line were rife with tropical disease which Africans had developed some genetic immunity whereas northern Europeans had not.

I had intended earlier to state those books by the Polish Journalist give insight into traditional cultures of MENA before modern tribulations set in. The observation there was of a stable culture extant that may be the key for their recovery if as much as possible of that culture can be reestablished among the returnees. The three books should establish the writer's credentials, one contains the best definition of economics I have ever read - it is there for the acute reader to discover for themselves.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 12, 2019 2:53:10 PM | 201

Krollchem @199--

Yes, it was almost a century ago, but you allude to the fundamental reason he was known as Fighting Bob Lafollette, the indefatigable Progressive Republican Senator from Wisconsin during the era when Milwaukee and numerous other cities in the region had Socialist mayors and majority city councils--important history that's been painstakingly airbrushed from US History.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 12, 2019 2:56:37 PM | 202

karlof1@201

Thanks for the reminder about Bob Lafollette's progressive stances and his run for President.
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/la-follettes-wisconsin-idea

Posted by: Krollchem | Jun 12, 2019 6:40:50 PM | 203

If Circe wants some new anti-Trump material with an amusing spin, she could do worse than dip into Michael Wolff's Fire and Fury. I'm 60 pages in and there's a laugh on EVERY page.
While we're waiting, it'd be nice to hear from one armchair Trump critic with a better drain The Swamp plan (with a beginning, a middle and an end) than Trump's.
I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 12, 2019 7:06:56 PM | 204

Hoarsewhisperer @203--

Easy! Fire everyone in the executive branch then hire new people--including most of the top military brass. Congress wouldn't be able to lift a finger, nor would anyone else.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 12, 2019 8:18:15 PM | 205

Hoasewhisper @ 205
See my - @ 200 & 201
Also - - - cut all the financial and intimadtion strings connected to our politicians by the elite 1%
We are, where we are only becouse there are no simple / social constraints imposed on our leaders !
Far from living in a democracy. We are living in anarchy !
Law and order are needed. Even if we have to impose it from the street up.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 13, 2019 8:23:14 AM | 206

hoarse

Trump's plan was never to "drain the swamp" but simply redirect the swamp more in his direction to his own liking.

If you sincerely believe otherwise than I have a bridge over Trump's swamp to sell you...

Posted by: donkeytale | Jun 13, 2019 8:39:13 AM | 207

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 12, 2019 8:18:15 PM | 206
Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 13, 2019 8:23:14 AM | 207

Thanks each of for the responses.
Two responses from 10,000 visitors/day is better than 0 responses.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 13, 2019 10:00:17 AM | 208

@Formerly T-Bear #202
Thanks for the pointer. I'll put it on the list as well for my next Discovery Books order, but I am already fairly well versed on the impact of the Americas on Eurasian life.
The potato, for example. Corn, chocolate, syphilis, beans, peanuts, red peppers - there are many staple species that are direct results of Columbus' discovery.
As for disease and what not - somewhat true, although it really doesn't matter if the owners die and the slaves survive... also, economically the number of people who owned more than 5 slaves was very much a 0.1% phenomenon. Slavery was thus more of an aspirational thing than an actual economic "win". Again, it was only with the early Industrial Revolution plus the cotton gin that turned slavery into the Internet Bubble 1.0 of that era - only with actual profit.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 16, 2019 12:04:36 PM | 209

I trust you will not be disappointed in those commendations; books have a greater tendency for trustworthiness than other forms of information transfer, their editing is primarily for form and precision of language over editing for content that no other medium can match. Drawback may lay in time and effort expended to read the material as well as the acuity of the reader's experience.
Experience leads me to seriously distrust all visual media; TV, Motion Pictures, Youtube and even recorded lectures on all subjects due to the production and editing processes primarily but just as bothering is the speed and lack of time to find hidden implications of what is being presented and the transitory attention allowed to focus on complex subjects needing time and space to be more fully understood. Even here, I rarely avail of proffered links, even written ones when I am unfamiliar with the source. All too often the commentator is without the ability and skill to state their thoughts in their own words, an aptitude badly needed.
Thanks for your reply.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 16, 2019 2:19:17 PM | 210

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