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May 3, 2019
Venezuela – Forensics Of A Clownish Coup – (Updated)

Tuesdays clownish coup attempt in Venezuela failed. The Trump administration got snookered. It will have to either change its tactic or leave the issue alone. National Security Advisor John Bolton is pressing for a war on Venezuela.

While the Pentagon and the countries neighboring Venezuela are against the use of military force, it is Bolton who has President Trump’s ear. The planning for a war seems to progress fast.

Lucas Tomlinson @LucasFoxNews – 00:18 utc- 3 May 2019

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and national security adviser John Bolton just left Pentagon following meeting with acting defense secretary Patrick Shanahan in secure conference room known as ‘The Tank’ to discuss military options for Venezuela, per senior defense official

A similar meeting took place on Wednesday May 1 in the White House.

The head of U.S. Southern Command admits that plans are ready but plays down the chance for a war:

Admiral Craig Faller insisted that the U.S. wanted a peaceful transfer of power but declared that his Southern Command was ready for any scenario. He said his military staff had made ‘Day Now’ plans to prepare for an immediate change of power as opposition leader Juan Guaido tries to topple Maduro.

‘We call it Day Now because there is going to be a day when the legitimate government takes over, and it’s going to come when we least expect it – and it could be right now,’ Faller said. But Faller, the head of the Southern Command in Latin America, insisted: ‘Our leadership’s been clear: It has to be, should be, primarily a democratic transition.’


UPDATE (May 5):

In a very unusual move U.S. Southern Command put out a press statement about the Pentagon meeting:

Yesterday the commander of U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) was asked by Acting Secretary of Defense, Patrick M. Shanahan, to remain in Washington D.C. to provide a current assessment on the situation in Venezuela and the status on planning for military options

U.S. Southern Command stands with the people of Venezuela who are suffering at the hand of the illegitimate Maduro regime and remains prepared to support all options, when requested by senior leadership.

That U.S. Southcom was told to release this, lets me believe that it is part of scare tactic, not of serious war planning. Then again – the last sentence is somewhat confusing. Which “senior leadership” is meant here. The U.S. one or the wannabe leaders Guaidó/López? As Guaidó is recognized as ‘interim President’ by the U.S. could he ask the U.S. military to help him to ‘restore democracy’, i.e. request an invasion? Would that be a way for Trump to avoid a Congress vote?

Politico seems to confirm that the current talk of military planning is a head fake:

Two U.S. officials told POLITICO these actions are designed more to rattle Maduro — and Venezuelan military leaders who have been a key source of support for him — than to foreshadow an American military effort in Venezuela.

One can not “rattle Maduro” by tough talk. He hails from a tough neighborhood and has a working class and trade union background. Even the threat of an aircraft carrier offshore of Caracas, as the insane Senator Lindsay Graham demands, would not rattle him.

But even if the current tough talk and military planning is just for show, what happens when the White House recognizes that it does not have any effect? What will be the the next step after that?

End Update

Venezuela is not an easy target. Colonel (ret.) Larry Wilkerson, the former Chief of Staff for Secretary of State Colin Powell, writes:

I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them.

The majority of them, if the U.S. military arrives in Venezuela, will take to the hills – very formidable hills, with jungle-like backdrops – and they will harass, kill, take prisoner from time to time, and generally hold out forever or until the “gringos” leave. We might remember how the North Vietnamese and the Taliban accomplished this; well, so will the Venezuelans.

The opposition is wary of a U.S. intervention:

Many believe U.S. troops could ignite internal conflicts within the military, irregular forces linked to Maduro and criminal cartels. Intervention would also undermine Guaidó’s claim to be a grass roots Venezuelan leader by seeming to confirm that he’s exactly what Maduro has claimed: A puppet of the United States.

A U.S. military intervention would “bring more problems than solutions,” said Carlos Valero, a Guaidó supporter in the National Assembly.

Political analyst Felix Seijas, director of the Delphos polling agency in Caracas, says fewer than a fifth of the Venezuelans he has surveyed this year support a military intervention. The numbers have gone up only slightly since the beginning of the year.

There were more warnings from Russia during a Trump-Putin phone call today:

While exchanging views on the situation around Venezuela, the President of Russia underscored that only the Venezuelans themselves have the right to determine the future of their country, whereas outside interference in the country’s internal affairs and attempts to change the government in Caracas by force undermine prospects for a political settlement of the crisis.

The planning and decision making for the next phase of the U.S. attack on Venezuela will take time.

Meanwhile we can continue to analyze why the U.S. coup plan failed so devastatingly.



To arrange for the coup attempt the administration and its Venezuelan proxies, Juan Guaidó and Leopoldo López, talked with many senior Venezuelan officials and officers. They made offers and threats and tried to arrange deals. There was even a written 15 point paper. Most the officials and officers seem to have agreed to cooperate, only to turn around to inform their higher ups.

By talking to so many people the coup plotters made way too much noise. The Venezuelan government seems to have been well informed about the whole plot. It likely was convinced that a coup would fail and let it run its course to embarrass the people behind it. Allowing the coup attempt to happen would also reveal turncoats and spies within the government structures.

Of the many people the coup plotters thought they had convinced to come to their side only one man followed through. It was Manuel Christopher Figuera, the director of the national intelligence service SEBIN, who ordered the release of opposition leader Leopoldo López who was under guard of SEBIN agents.

From a new forensic piece by Bloomberg:

The Trump administration and Guaido’s team are still trying to figure out what went wrong.

Lopez’s clandestine release from house arrest by the feared Sebin intelligence agency was but one step in a complex transition negotiated with top aides to Maduro, not all of whom were speaking to one another, according to people in Washington and Caracas familiar with the negotiations and who insisted on anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.

And within hours, the deal between the opposition and the Maduro camp was dead. Lopez ultimately sought refuge in the Spanish ambassador’s residence in Caracas, emerging briefly Thursday to talk to reporters. U.S. officials expressed fury at the Venezuelans close to Maduro who they believe double-crossed them.

Those singled out by National Security Adviser John Bolton — the defense minister, the supreme court president and the head of the presidential guard — were central players in a large cast discussing how to abandon Maduro and recognize Guaido as the interim president, according to the people familiar with the negotiations.

Lopez was released because the Sebin intelligence chief, General Manuel Christopher Figuera, was fully on board, the people said. As part of the arrangement, Figuera’s wife flew to safety in the U.S. on Sunday. On Tuesday night, after Figuera released a letter explaining his decision, Maduro replaced him as intelligence chief. Figuera has left Venezuela, according to two opposition officials, though they said they don’t where he has gone.

It was also Figuera, the head of SEBIN, who arranged for additional soldiers to augment the 25 or so mercenaries Guaidó had at hand:

Some of Guaidó’s soldiers took the first opportunity to defect, claiming they had been tricked. One of them explained how officers had given them weapons at the Helicoide, the SEBIN headquarters, and told they were going to put down a mass jailbreak.

The Jim Dore Show has video of the soldier explaining how he and his comrades were tricked.

Figuera might also be the source for a “secret dossier” that was peddled to the New York Times. It claims without evidence that Tareck El Aissami, a former vice-president and now industry minister of Venezuela, arranged passports for the Lebanese Hizbullah and was involved in drug dealing. Tareck El Aissami is of Syrian descent:

The dossier, provided to The New York Times by a former top Venezuelan intelligence official and confirmed independently by a second one, recounts testimony from informants accusing Mr. El Aissami and his father of recruiting Hezbollah members to help expand spying and drug trafficking networks in the region.

The quality of the dossier is likely as good as the one the former MI6 agent Christopher Steele created about Donald Trump.

Back to the Bloomberg piece:

Many of us thought, as the weeks went by, that it was astonishing Maduro hadn’t discovered it already but that may be because so many on the inside wanted it to succeed,” one person familiar with the matter said. “They believe Maduro began to get an understanding of what was happening on the 29th and they had to move on the 30th or it would all collapse.”

Other speculation falls on Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino Lopez who, according to one person close to the situation, was engaged in the negotiations while informing Maduro and his Russian and Cuban allies of the talks. The defense minister was with Maduro when the president gave a speech at the military academy in Caracas Thursday.

But it may be that many more balked. There was confusion over who would make the first move, according to a person close to the situation. It could be that there were so many participants that one hand often didn’t know what the other was doing.

Elliott Abrams, the State Department’s special envoy for Venezuela, told a Venezuelan television station Wednesday that “a majority of the high command were talking with the Supreme Court and Juan Guaido about a change in government with the departure of Maduro and with guarantees for the military.”

He said the negotiations had created a 15-point document that included a “dignified exit” for Maduro and recognition by the high court of Guaido as interim president with elections within a year. It had been widely assumed that Leopoldo Lopez, a former mayor of a wealthy district in Caracas, would be a leading candidate.

The whole arrangement sounds extremely amateurish. Why talk to so many people? Why not concentrate on the few that really matter? Why not get some guarantees from them? The SEBIN chief who supported the coup had no other choice left as his wife was already in the U.S. and could have been used as hostage. Why were there not similar arrangements for other officials?

Back in March the U.S. withdrew all its staff from its embassy in Caracas. That must have weakened the CIA’s capabilities on the ground. It also seems that much of the coordination was done by Elliot Abrams and others in the White House. They were obviously guided by wishful thinking and not by a realistic analysis of Venezuela and of the people leading it.

To believe that a Leopoldo López could win in fair presidential elections in Venezuela is pretty absurd. He has treid to overthrow the government six times. He led the brutal protests in 2014 and is known as an ruthless rightwing operator. His party, Voluntad Popular, describes itself as progressive social-democratic but is at best hard right if not fascists. It holds only 14 of the 163 seats in the National Assembly.

López is for now out of jail but isolated:

On Thursday, a Caracas court issued a warrant for Lopez, revoking his house arrest and ordering him to spend the remaining eight years of his 13-year sentence in Ramo Verde military prison; he was convicted of charges including arson and instigating violence after spearheading anti-government protests. The Spanish foreign ministry said on its website that Lopez would “under no circumstances” be handed over to Venezuelan authorities.

López can stay in the embassy. But as long as he is there Spain will not allow him a political role:

Spain will not permit its embassy to be converted in to a center of political activity by Mr Lopez, or anyone else,” [Spain’s acting Foreign Minister Josep] Borrell said on the sidelines of a conference in Beirut.

“Lopez has not asked for political asylum because, according to our legislation, for that you must request it while on Spanish territory,” Borrell said adding that while he was at the embassy, there would be a limit to his political activity.

The delusion of the coup plotters in the White House can be seen in their newest spin:

The U.S. is pointing to the breadth of the failed plot as evidence that, no matter how badly it went, Maduro’s days are numbered with the country having plunged into dysfunction and the economy in a shambles. “This was just the tip of the iceberg,” said a senior administration official who asked not to be named. Many close to Maduro were in on the endgame, the official said, and their eagerness to send him packing shows how isolated he is.

The logic makes little sense: “Many people told us they would take our side but stood with Maduro. That shows us that Maduro has lost them and that we will win.”

Unfortunately U.S. mainstream media deliver similar stupid analysis:

Talks between opposition leaders and senior Maduro officials that have come to light this week suggest deception in [Maduro’s] inner circle. And despite Guaidó’s actions, neither prosecutors nor the pro-Maduro Supreme Court have issued an arrest warrant for him — a sign, his allies say, of just how weak Maduro is.

There was a lot of deception within Maduro’s inner circle. But it was the opposition and its backers who were deceived, not Nicolas Maduro.

Putting Guaidó into jail would only make him a martyr. The U.S. would use it to for further bashing. Guaidó running continues to turn himself into a clown.

An energy-balance bracelet wearing model doing soft-erotic photo shootings for GQ (vid) will hardly be taken seriously when it calls for a general strike.

Comments

@ S | May 4, 2019 5:25:13 PM | 186
I’d like to “ditto” your recommendation of the Eva Bartlett interview of the very eloquent black man from Venezuela. Very informative.
I only wish that the interview could have gone on longer, and that we could know the man’s name.

Posted by: AntiSpin | May 4 2019 23:00 utc | 201

The amateurism of this current administration is simply breathtaking.
You put out a press-piece for the purpose of head-faking your opponent, and then you go around saying, heck, don’t worry, it’s just a head-fake.
Hellllooooooooo.
Either your opponent is paying attention to all your pronouncements or he has stopped listening to you. One or the other. But it is wish-fulfilment to assume that he WILL read about your head-fake but WON’T read its denouement.
I mean, honestly. Diplomacy 101: if you are going to put out a lie then you also have to lie that, no, no, no, it’s the real deal, it’s not a lie.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 4 2019 23:01 utc | 202

The US wants a peaceful transfer of power in Venezuela. Let me see if I got this right, they want to invade and take over another Country without a fight? Are these people lunatics?

Posted by: JR | May 4 2019 23:03 utc | 203

@Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 4, 2019 6:47:46 PM | 200
I found that piece making a lot of wishful thinking out of a simple phone call.
In the end, it seems that they mostly talked about trade amongst the two states, which, against all odds, have not but increased, in spite sanctions and all that ( it seems that sanctions are mainly for the rest of competitors in order to be taken out of the table…)
At this heights, everybody and their dogs know beyond any doubt that the US is agreement incapable, and that all Trump´s talk must be considered as words to be gone with the wind.
We have had, all, not only the Russians, enough spectacle during all these two years.
But, well, obviously, the guys at SST are already in campaign, again, as some others ( even when this is made through their fixed crew of commenters and not properly them…)

Posted by: Sasha | May 4 2019 23:04 utc | 204

jared @ 164 said;”If Maduro is genuine I suggest he would offer to step aside at the end of his term.”
That’s pure unadulterated horse-pucky..
If the U$A’s corporate empire is seriously interested in the people of Venezuela, they’ll lift the blockade to allow food and medicine in, and give Venezuela a fighting chance to run their own country.

Posted by: ben | May 4 2019 23:19 utc | 205

Spaniards march in support of Maduro and against US coups

The Spaniards take to the streets of the Basque city of Bilbao to express their support for the Government of Venezuelan President, Nicolás Maduro, May 4, 2019.
The demonstrators, while waving flags of the Bolivarian country, shouted slogans like “Come on, Venezuela! No to the coup d’état!”, to condemn the coup efforts of the opposition Juan Guaidó, who has the support of the United States.

Posted by: Sasha | May 4 2019 23:19 utc | 206

Ort 152 …Determining if a new commenter is a concern troll is not an exact science, but the Duck Test is a reliable method: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Jane passes the Duck Test with flying feathers…
Upon recently encountering a certain “Faith Goldy” excerpted in a vid I was watching, it dawned on me that the famous eponymous Duck Test is maybe not quite so reliable as I’d supposed.

Posted by: petra | May 4 2019 23:23 utc | 207

@ [to} “Posted by: b | May 4, 2019 9:01:47 AM | 105”
I noticed that the spelled “strategy” incorrectly in the probably faked “plan”.
Nevertheless fakes also often “say” something…they make a puzzle that sometimes one may tease out.

Posted by: Walter | May 4 2019 23:24 utc | 208

@208 Excelente! Espero verlo extendido por toda España.

Posted by: dh | May 4 2019 23:31 utc | 209

What is happening in Venezuela?

How to better understand the reasons for the coup strategy that is being carried out by the Venezuelan oligarchy against the Bolivarian process?
What is this famous “soft coup” about?

In Spanish, but very graphic and didactic, you may get to know crucial ideas on historic struggle by the Venezuelan people, and for extension all LatinAmerican, against the comprador oligarchies who would had not minded keeping them in misery and ignorance for the years to come.

Posted by: Sasha | May 4 2019 23:31 utc | 210

Tulsi Gabbard just gave a strong argument against US Sponsored Coup in Venezuela on MSMBC. If anybody wants to donate to Tulsi Gabbard (the only genuine peace candidate in 2020 besides Bernie) but doesn’t want to go through ActBlue, which takes a percentage of approx 3 percent, you can donate directly here.
https://secure.ngpvan.com/4NcRnjhh6E6bqZQzCscuvA2

Posted by: Willow | May 4 2019 23:38 utc | 211

Eva Bartlett video:
I have never heard of Eva Bartlett, but the video was great.

Posted by: Really? | May 4 2019 23:57 utc | 212

Willow @ 212: Thanks for the link. I like her too.

Posted by: ben | May 5 2019 0:05 utc | 213

thanks s…. the video is worth watching for others…
@ 213 really? – eva did a number of videos outing the white helmets for the bullshit artists they were.. she is well known for that..

Posted by: james | May 5 2019 0:10 utc | 214

“There’s also a short piece on Trump’s +56% polling on the US Economy and the lack of viable Trump opponents for 2020… ”
The ripple effects of Hillary Clinton’s drive for power will last for a few more cycles, at least. Because of her candidacy, the way she became the candidate, the way she ran the party to boost herself into the White House, the response of her supporters both before and after the 2016 election—all of this has basically neutered the Dem Party’s prospects for gaining the White House for some time to come. Possibly they can keep the House and gain few governorships. Probably there will be more Dem mayors. But Hillary has spoiled it for years to come when it comes to the Big Cahuna. Not that I care a lot. But it is really quite an “accomplishment,” and the woman still cannot shut up!

Posted by: Really? | May 5 2019 0:27 utc | 215

It may be that the strategic motive for the Imperial quest to dominate Venezuela is aligned with the Imperial goal of dominating the oil in the Middle East… Geewhiz,Yatink?
Seems to me that the agenda to overthrow Iran has the prerequisite necessity of overthrowing Venezuela – that there’s a sequence. A “critical path” as the engineers say.
Along these lines, relating to why the Imperial Forces are in the M.E., an interesting article @ London Review of Books:”What are we there for?” [by] Tom Stevenson. Free, if you do not visit too often.
The action in Venezuela seems to be going rather too slowly for the fellas. This may imply that the “plan B” will express against Iran in some new way, or perhaps they’ll postpone the affair until more auspicious conditions can be curated.
Withal, controlling the oil, especially oil that’s sweet and light and easy to drill (M.E. oils generally), and also especially the oil that exists close to the Earth Island (Heartland) of Eurasia, implies considerable influence over the economies of OBOR.
Further, since OBOR is running already (Eurasian integration well underway), and M.E. oil control by Imperial Forces is now and probably for the long-term, problematic, the thalasocratic method of the Anglosaxon diaspora is severely weakened. Imperial retreat, in the fullness of time, quite probably would, in logic, imply regional domination of “local” oil, e.g. Venezuelan oil. (Frack-oil is, the boffins say, non-logical so far as the energy in/out physics, and of very limited real volume, ignoring the environmental and health costs for the moment.)

Posted by: Walter | May 5 2019 0:36 utc | 216

215
@ 213 really? – eva did a number of videos outing the white helmets for the bullshit artists they were.. she is well known for that..
Well, I didn’t know that.
Now I do.

Posted by: Really? | May 5 2019 0:53 utc | 217

Nationalization of Emprensas Polar wouldn’t help much if the Mendoza family foundations, such as IESA foundation, would be left untouched.
Btw, they make a really good pilsner, in case you ‘re not a rum aficionado.

Posted by: Hmpf | May 5 2019 1:21 utc | 218

NemesisCalling:
your frequent appeals, I notice, are not grounded in logos or ethos, but pathos…feeling.
My views are grounded in historical facts. I’ve stated the case for Trump’s being a vetted and installed by the Deep State many times. Several people at MoA have agreed with the reasoning. The logic is clear and compelling:

FACT: Trump and the Clintons were close for many years – even Chelsea and Ivanka were close.
FACT: Kissinger called for MAGA in 2014 to address the challege from Russia and China and Trump was the ONLY MAGA candidate and the ONLY populist on the Republican side.
FACT-based supposition: Hillary threw the 2016 Presidential election to Trump by alienating key voter groups and conducting a lackluster campaign. No seasoned candidate would have made the mistakes she made.
FACT: Within days of his election, Trump said he wouldn’t prosecute Hillary; Trump has also brought friends and associates of his supposed “enemies” into his Administration in key positions: VP Pence was close to McCain; AG Wm Barr was close to the Bushes and Mueller; CIA director Gina Haspel is close to Brennan; Bolton is a neocon (neocons led the “Never Trump” Movement); etc.

The historical parallels between Obama as faux populist and Trump as faux populist are numerous and very relevant. Their apologists even argue along the same lines:

> the hero’s heart is in the right place! He’s just undermined by circumstances/advisors/etc.
> he’s going to outsmart his opposition! (11-dimensional chess / “Trust the plan”).

Trump is no true-believer. He is getting stymied at every juncture listening to his ideologue ministers, but could have risen to greatness …
Many people at MoA have noted, and many times, that Trump appointed these ideologues and could fire them at any time if he disagreed with them.
In an August 2014 “Meet the Press” interview, Trump praised Bolton as “tough cookie” adding, “I think he’s terrific”. So the notion that Bolton is doing things that Trump doesn’t agree with is baloney.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 5 2019 1:53 utc | 219

Guaido interviewed by Washington Post today, endorses a US military operation to remove Marduro but says the National Assembly should vote on it first. He does not appear to have been directly involved in the negotiations which led to the coup attempt – confirming his figurehead status.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/need-more-soldiers-venezuelas-guaido-says-opposition-overestimated-military-support-before-failed-uprising/2019/05/04/72561cb8-6e8b-11e9-bbe7-1c798fb80536_story.html?utm_term=.694aaff5cf82

Posted by: jayc | May 5 2019 1:55 utc | 220

It’s The Jimmy Dore Show, and it is one of the finest alternative news and analysis sites on youtube. Can’t recommend him more highly. I follow Jimmy practically every day, and his classic technique is to throw up (pun intended) a video clip of some idiot saying something really stupid, stopping the clip at just the right moment, and taking the whole nonsense down. He interviews top rank folks like Tulsi Gabbard, Chris Hedges, Aaron Mate, Matt Blumental, Greg Palast, a fantastic show.

Posted by: Trisha Driscoll | May 5 2019 1:57 utc | 221

MoA and its usual posters are unique in their ability to smoke obivous trolls like jane , tom , paul and the rest of simple minded trolls so easily recognized due to their low level of trolling abilities , or is it intentional ?
The MO of astroturfers , beyond spreading FUD (hard to do in MOA against informed commenters) , are “tag team” or “good and bad cop” routine .. one troll posted obvious BS and the other pretend to be civilized commenters constantly put off sign he is anti neocon , anti zionist , anti military to maintain his credentials among the commenters. This kind of troll will “cash in their chips” in rare event their lies are needed and they count on their credentials to lend weight to their lies..
i noticed some people like Peter AUS , who pretend to be civilized yet acted like fullborr neocon on UNZ website.. Jackrabbit who posted rationale stuff yet when erdogan attempted coup he spread rumors that the coup is self inflected , and he constantly repeat his comment for loooooong period to spread his lies ..
And theres common people like james which i find exists in other blogs , always posting sober and common sense info , this is the kind of poster i trust… more so since the old arrogant Col Lang blocked james on SST ,

Posted by: Milomilo | May 5 2019 2:55 utc | 222

The Spaniards take to the streets of the Basque city of Bilbao to express their support for the Government of Venezuelan President, Nicolás Maduro, May 4, 2019. <-- Sasha Bolibars came to Venezuela from Basque country, it is a Basque last name. Perhaps that had some resonance in Bilbao. Additionally, Spanish socialists who are essentially liberals (i.e. not standing much for anything) seem to be forced into a coalition with Podemos that actually has some opinions, and being Spanish, actually understand Venezuelan constitution, etc. Socialists themselves have to reinvigorate Socialist brand, "Labor Nueva" is a worn out concept.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 5 2019 3:20 utc | 223

The historical parallels between Obama as faux populist and Trump as faux populist are numerous and very relevant. Their apologists …<-- Jackrabbit My life is closer to the end than to the beginning and, sadly, I am yet to learn what is a "genuine populist". Perhaps at the time of the Gracchi brothers, who were actual tribunes of the people (hence the contemporary word) the meaning was clear. Caius Iulius Ceasar was perhaps the archetype of a “faux populist”. That said, both Obama and Trump are slippery characters.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 5 2019 3:31 utc | 224

jackrabbit the Trump Re-election Disinfo Specialist and Conformity Patrol
Trump is no true-believer. He is getting stymied at every juncture listening to his ideologue ministers, but could have risen to greatness …
Trump is the worst of the worst. Putin at least had to earn his by being being KGB. You know a spy bro. Trump is in the Russians pocket. This is well known fact. Admitted by his son no less. No amount of your repeating GOP disinfo or Russian disinfo changes the pure fact.
Or the fact that your nothing except a fascist bootlicker.

Posted by: donkeytale | May 5 2019 3:47 utc | 225

Trump inherited $435MM from his father. Trump made hundreds of millions selling condos to anonymous shell corps many of them Russian oligarch “friends of Putin” laundering money and screwing over their own country just like American, European, Chinese,Middle Eastern, Arabic, African and Latin American oligarchs are screwing over all the peasants in their own countries.
That includes me and you too Jackrabbit unless you are making big bucks licking fascist boots.

Posted by: donkeytale | May 5 2019 3:56 utc | 226

The fact is you are licking fascist boots out of your own free will. Sad!

Posted by: donkeytale | May 5 2019 4:00 utc | 227

Trump is the worst of the worst. Putin at least had to earn his by being being KGB. You know a spy bro. Trump is in the Russians pocket. This is well known fact. Admitted by his son no less. No amount of your repeating GOP disinfo or Russian disinfo changes the pure fact. <-- donkeytale | May 4, 2019 11:47:06 PM | 226 Genuine donkey tale!! Hee-haw!! (Given such a deep interest in American affairs, I doubt that eeyore, braying with the British accent, would be appropriate here.)

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 5 2019 4:04 utc | 228

Show me where I’m wrong Piotr.
Point it out factually. I’m not playing to the crowd Piotr. That’s what bootlickers do.

Posted by: donkeytale | May 5 2019 4:10 utc | 229

While checking to see if anyone had posted a link to something published by the warmongering Washington Post, I made a quick check. That’s when I ran into the post by “Jane” at 102. If this person isn’t already a highly paid professional troll, then he/she needs to demand a raise. Anyhow:
Guaidó is the right choice in Venezuela, even if Trump likes him
If you decide to examine the BS published at the link, hold your nose before clicking, for it is some of the most disgusting stuff I’ve seen in a good while. This lousy newspaper shills for the apartheid Jewish state – that’s the primary purpose for its existence. So do almost all the congresscritters the author urges to join with Trump. Yes, this crap really was published in what passes today as a “mainstream” newspaper.

Posted by: Zachary Smith | May 5 2019 4:49 utc | 230

@223 milomilo… thanks! but, i think peter au and jackrabbit have a lot to offer too.. i am sorry if they offended you.. i find myself in agreement with them more often then not.. cheers james
here is a link from telesur that was done january 30th after the first coup attempt.. there are a number of good articles and overview on the topic of venezuala, guaido and etc. etc. for anyone interested.. Venezuela Confronts US-backed Right-wing Coup

Posted by: james | May 5 2019 5:06 utc | 231

FYI
My comment @220 is a reply to NemesisCalling @196.
The bolded, italicized lines are quotes from Nemesis’ comment.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 5 2019 5:07 utc | 232

james 232
The milomilo username only appears at MoA to call commenters trolls. Interesting it showed up when the jane username was outed.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | May 5 2019 5:16 utc | 233

Yet I’m sorta glad that donkeytale confused Nemesis’ words as mine since it led to one of the asstroll hilarity of @226-230.
LMFAO.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 5 2019 5:22 utc | 234

@223 milomilo @232 James
I’ll quickly chime in to say that while I don’t always agree with Peter AU and Jackrabbit, they are both quality commentators. At one point I felt the failed Turkish Coup was staged by Erdogan, I have come to believe otherwise, but I don’t think it is a crazy or trollish thing to believe.
While I am defending people, Lang at SST is a real stubborn, opinionated pain in the ass, but he (and his site) offers good analysis, even if I disagree much of the time. His anticommunist/marxist rhetoric is often over the top and misplaced…nevertheless, SST is very insightful for me. In this age of crap media, that is all I can really ask for.

Posted by: Haasaan | May 5 2019 5:24 utc | 235

– FOX News is also promoting/pushing for a “Humanitarian Intervention” in Venezuela.
http://www.newshounds.us/fox_promotes_u_s_war_venezuela_humanitarian_regime_change_050419
Rick Scott uses some very strong words: murdering children, genocide, syria in the western hemisphere. OMG !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Willy2 | May 5 2019 6:39 utc | 236

From donkeytale’s latest eruption I guess he speaks with the voice of Rachel Maddow. Or maybe more to the point its the more metallic voice of Raytheon or Lockeed. It’s the Russophobe gibberish, the consummate obsession. It’s the propaganda that takes the form of a fungus that attaches itself to the brain stem of its victims.

Posted by: Copeland | May 5 2019 7:16 utc | 237

Posted by: Haasaan | May 5, 2019 1:24:19 AM | 236
(Pat Lang & SST pluses and minuses)
I wouldn’t quibble with your assessment. One thing I like about the SST ‘community’ is that when they haven’t got a lot to say they keep it short and sharp. And when they want to refer to something previously articulated, they link to it rather than reproduce it verbatim and in full. Again.
When they do have a lot to say, as in Larry C Johnson’s 8-point Intel and Law Enforcement Tried to Entrap Trump, persuasive evidence is presented.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 5 2019 9:51 utc | 238

I do not understand why so many take on Jane’s obvious trolling comment,when it is so clear as a mountain stream that suppositions and accusations of this kind in the MSM are always part of the program when it comes to blackening some president,or leader of another country in the view of a “democratic” regime change..The golden taps in Mu’ammar’s Bathroom,Saddam who must have had the same plummer,Saddam going out to shoot at random in the streets of Bagdad when he was drunk,the babies in the couveuses in koweit,the list is endless.So if you are aware of the fact that practically all new is delivered by Reuters in London,Associated Press in New York,and Agence France Press in Paris,and that all news outlets pay for those news items,hiring so called “journalists” to do the copying,if you are aware of the fact that all those items are put in exactly the same phrasing and accusatory tone,regardless the initial ideology of the news outlet,if you are aware of secretservice manipulation of journalism,as brought to light by german newspaper man Udo Ulfkotte,who did his “coming-out” and died last year of a heartfailure,you might think that the best answer to such an sneaky question is just a big fart.
In the 2011 thing that saw Nato destroy the most developped country in Africa,a country that gave work to more than 2 million foreigners,most from other african countries,where oil revenues actually benefitted the population,I had a big row in my family taking defense of Khaddafi,and even now they won’t admit they were wrong.
Someone said:”Happy slaves are the biggest enemies of freedom”
Of course those news outlets never ever talk about the great achievements in Venezuela ,or Lybia,nor of the fact that western politics entirely destroyed good workin societies,health care,craftmanship,universities and schools,all the things that were promoted at the time that we called them”third world countries”,worthy of aid and development.
In my memory this has begun when at the first american war on Iraq journalists were “embedded” with the army,excluding free lance operations.Then we got Yougoslavia,Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya where embedded journalists are said to have placed electronic markers on building to make it easier to bomb them.
Also I recall the bombing of Khadaffi house on 1st of May 2011,when the family celebrated his granddaughters birthday,killing the little one and her mother and some other folks,but missing Muammar,who was outside to take care of his animals.To smother this mishap from being publicized ,the americains threw the dead Ben Laden in the ocean,the next day,remember?!

Posted by: willie | May 5 2019 10:48 utc | 239

I don’t want to sanctify anyone but despite that I think the pictures of Maduro and a lot of other people in this new RT article are outright awesome, especially the picture where Maduro is back at driving a “bus” (in essence at least). It really made me smile (and he’s clearly enjoying himself) so maybe others will enjoy it too, and in addition it is on topic! 😀
If one copies the URLs of those pictures and open them in separate pages one gets the full scale version.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 5 2019 12:22 utc | 240

More off topic I have to rant a little bit about how it annoys me way too much as someone with military training that so many armed forces in the world do not know how to properly use a beret and use it as if a bird deposited “something” on their heads… it actually has both comfort, and practical military value when used correctly (not like they do it in Venezuela and the US who are both on this issue complete equals) *grrrr* …sorry, it’s not even a pet peeve but it really gets to me XD
Oh well at least they’re not massively over-sized like some do *gnashes teeth* 😀
I’ll shut up now 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 5 2019 12:37 utc | 241

“and it is one of the finest alternative news and analysis sites on youtube. Can’t recommend him more highly.”
I too love Jimmy Dore.
If he happens to be reading this, here is some feedback:
Jimmy! You could improve your show by dispensing with the occasionally cringe-worthy “chorus” of a young guy and gal, who add nothing but not very funny cracks, and slow things down.
I would send links of Jimmy’s shows to my friends more often if the quality of the commentary weren’t compromised by the silliness of the two echos over on the left.

Posted by: Really? | May 5 2019 12:53 utc | 242

donkeytale’s huffing and puffing attempts to distract from my comment @168 which includes a quote from writer Harold Pinter that illuminates donkey’s agenda:

It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest. The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.

– Harold Pinter. (2005) Nobel Prize Speech.

The more confused people are, the less likely they are to protest. That confusion is most effective when applied to thought leaders at places like MoA.
When you see donkey spinning his ‘tale’, just copy-paste this quote.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 5 2019 13:16 utc | 243


Dylan Baddour
‏Verified account @DylanBaddour
May 3
Video sent to me shows about 66 Venezuelan military defectors standing outside a Cucuta hotel they were just evicted from after their bill went unpaid for a week. Venezuelan opposition figures had been paying. Now these guys are on the street wondering where they’ll sleep.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1124454506379526145
PS; I kinda like the two helpers that Dore has.

Posted by: arby | May 5 2019 13:23 utc | 244

To elaborate, briefly, on the mildness of the social reforms in Venezuela, which are in many respects less radical than those undertaken by the (imperialist) Attlee government in the UK, seventy odd years ago, what is significant about them is the depth and breadth of the imperialist reaction against them. It is one thing for the likes of Elliot Abrams, Trump and Pompeo to be involved in these rolling coup attempts. But how is it that the Trudeau government, in Canada, which owes its existence and raison d’etre to popular opposition to the right wing, neo-conservatism of the government that it displaced, is leading a crusade against policies that Quebec, BC, Saskatchewan and Ontario adopted decades ago?
It seems that capitalism has reached a stage in which it is turning inwards and directly attacking the population of the metropolitan imperial countries. There is no longer any room for the discussion of concessions, what was called ‘progress’ by generations of people: higher living standards, improving life expectancy and health prospects, wider provision of opportunities for social mobility, more leisure, better housing… all these constants of the second half of the C20th have been swept off the table.
The reaction against Venezuela’s dangerous example of sovereignty and social progress is all part of an international phenomenon. In France it takes the form of Macron’s vicious intransigence in the face of the less than revolutionary, essentially stylistic, demands of the gilets jaunes.
This (over)reaction was preceded by the astonishing cruelty with which Greece was attacked by financiers headed by the SPD- the originals of Blairism, the party of Noske and Ebert which turned the death squads against the followers of Liebknecht and Luxemburg.
When it comes to programmes of mild reform, really restoration of the certain aspects of the status quo, another instance is the current Labour campaign in the UK. Corbyn is calling for very mild revisions of the extreme courses pursued by Thatcher and Blair : the renationalization of several natural monopolies in which privatization has been an all around disaster for all but the capitalists living off the rents of the poor-electric and water tariffs, public transit fares for example. Labour is also calling for a restoration of the non-profit principle in the Health Service, systematically disassembled and handed over to corporations. A process too dangerous politically for Thatcher to attempt but established by Blair and his Cabinet of neo-liberals with red ties, sitting for socialist strongholds.
The ruling class reaction to Corbyn has not been completely dissimilar from the campaigns being waged against Maduro and has included open threats from the military to use force to prevent him from forming a government.
It is significant that while a campaign is beginning in the United States to establish free healthcare-Medicare for All- the models at which Americans look longingly, the NHS and the Canadian system, as well as the various EU systems, are being openly attacked. And nowhere is this clearer than in Canada where newly elected provincial governments, inspired by US ‘libertarian’ ideology, are undercutting the system as quickly as they can. (In Ontario this began with the withdrawal of payments for anaesthetics for certain procedures like colonoscopies.) It is all happening, like the onslaughts against social reforms in south America, very quickly.
It is as if the imperialists have concluded that their system needs to be ‘re-founded’ in blood. That history was going in the wrong direction and that all challenges to the rickety global hegemonic project and the tinny, unconvincing ideology of capitalism had to be smashed. Eradicated by force because the ideas, of equality of opportunity, fair wages, free healthcare, increasing leisure and other indications of ‘progress’, had become too potent, attracting massive support for young people and threatening to roll back the gains of forty years of neo-liberalism, notable for occasional outbreaks of sheer brutality such as the Miner’s “Strike”-which we realize now was a strike against the Miners and Trade Unionism in general. It was no coincidence that the attacks on workers in the metropole were founded on the vile massacres that began in 1973 in Chile which led to Operation Condor, the murder of 40,000 Argentine socialists and sympathizers and another round of bloodbaths across Latin America.
And just last week it was reported that, during Operation Condor, a continent wide Gestapo like effort against anyone remotely likely to dissent politically, Britain’s MI6 and other ‘security’ organs
were eager to extend its reach to Europe.
Let the suborned dilettantes at The Jacobin agonise, at a penny a line and byline credit, over the correct stance to adopt towards Venezuela and Maduro but for the real dissidents the matter is very clear.
If Americans want Medicare for All it is in their interest to ensure that, under the guise of ‘restoring freedom’, public medical care in Venezuela is not replaced by the ‘rich pay and the poor die’ system that capitalists favour.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html

Posted by: bevin | May 5 2019 14:31 utc | 245

Sasha 169 thx for the trans, i read it all it takes time good work thx again.

Posted by: Noirette | May 5 2019 14:40 utc | 246

Arioch >> So, yesterday Pompeo called Lavrov, today Trump calls Putin…. Alarming (referencing On The Beach 2000 starting scenes)
Hoarsewhisperer #200 > why it’s [OVERDUE START OF US-RUSSIA DIALOGUE] a good idea.
See, calling fire brigade to forrest fires is a good idea, but….
But imagine a crazy state that only calls fire brigade when the said forrest fire became twice over “uncontrollable”. That never calls when fire is controlled, never calls wehen it is uncontrolled but controllable, never calls when it is first-degree uncontrollable, and only calls when it becames double-uncontrollable. And even then it calls them not to suppress the fire (they first made double-sure it was no more possible) but for the sake of shifting blame from themselves.
In this environment calling fire brigade is the statement of fire being absolutely and principalyl out of control, because if there would be a tiniest chance to control it – fire brigade would never been allowed to move out.
While generally calling fire fighters to fire is normal and good thing, in this perverted land and under this perverted but scrupulously followed modus operandi – this very call becomes a symbol that situation is warranted to shift beyond “where the fire be stopped and what would be damage” and into “whom arsonists would assign the blame for their now limitless arson”
And that is what i call bad development.
If Trump is allowed to speak with Putin and there is no “normal” hysterics – that means Trump can do nothing to remedy the situation but would be useful to pretend “America tried to talk and went so unprecedently far as gaving known Kremlin stoogie Trump grenlight – but bloodthirsty Russia did not appraciate and chosen war against our freedoms”

Posted by: Arioch | May 5 2019 14:47 utc | 247

Harvard Law School
Barack Obama, an alumni of Harvard Law School, was the United States President who ordered the destruction of Africa’s richest, most literate and developed country, Libya, and reduced that country to rubble and a state of lawlessness. Thousands died.
The sovereign wealth fund of the oil rich country has disappeared without trace. Libya’s premier medical facilities that were the envy of it’s continent and it’s neighbours in the Middle East have been destroyed, precisely at the time that it’s citizens required them. Many of the doctors, nurses and ancillary staff, as highly trained as their counterparts in Europe, have also disappeared without trace, many presumed drowned in the waters of the Mediterranean trying to flee to save their lives. Libya is now the poorest state in Africa. The leader who had united it and raised the infrastructural standards to be on a par with the first world, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, never had his day in a court of any description, he was beaten, tortured and sodomised with a knife, before being murdered on the blood soaked streets by a mob.
We have to wonder what it is that they are teaching at the Harvard Law School? In the 1980’s the tiny countries of Central America, Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua suffered from their own brutal civil wars. Extreme, right wing governments and militias were either trying to hold onto power or to seize it for themselves from the impoverished indigenous citizenries who sought democracy and guarantees of their fundamental civil and human rights. The United States sent in Elliot Abrams, now to be found lurking in the jungles of Venezuela, to support the fascistic regimes in the brutal battle against their own civilians. Mr Abrams was another product of the esteemed Harvard Law School. By the end of his time there, hundreds of thousands of some of the world’s poorest people and been murdered, their bodies tossed into mass graves if they were lucky. There was no rule of law, in spite of the fact that there were constitutions and courts, judges and the concept of jurisprudence.
The current Secretary of State of the United States, Mr Mike Pompeo, recently addressed an audience of American students and told them that his former department, the Central Intelligence Agency, of which he was the Director from 2017 until 2018, routinely “lied, cheated and stole” as and when it suited or the occasion demanded. Mike Pompeo is another American official who studied at and graduated from the Harvard Law School.
This Massachusetts institution has had scores of it’s students graduate and pass through, onwards and upwards into positions of authority in the halls of power. It is difficult to see what ethical foundations were laid down in those formative years of studying the law in the seminars of that Cambridge campus. Three alumni of Harvard Law School who have recently served and continue to serve in some of the highest offices of the United States, have done irreparable damage to a number of countries and have done so by breaking every international law that existed to protect them. They did this unapologetically, in order, as Secretary of State Pompeo admitted in a rare moment of candour, to “cheat and steal” from defenceless nation states and their helpless populations.
Perhaps Harvard Law School is not the best place to send one’s kids to learn about ethics, democracy and the rule of law.

Posted by: Steve Keith | May 5 2019 14:57 utc | 248

Arioch
I agree with your “bad development” call.
What they want now is to intimidate Russia into abandoning Venezuela. That was clear from the Bolton presser and his “all options” threat.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 5 2019 15:06 utc | 249

> intimidate Russia into abandoning Venezuela
That is close to zero probabiliy and even they know it now.
So they must be actually aiming at some other plan.

Posted by: Arioch | May 5 2019 15:34 utc | 250

#208
Good news.The people of Bilbao were also in the streets in 2011,opposing NATO fascist destruction of Libya,like did the people of Belgrad in Serbia at that time.In France,nothing,nobody,except jean-Marie Le Pen.

Posted by: willie | May 5 2019 15:48 utc | 251

@235 peter… that thought had crossed my mind too!
@237 Haasaan.. regarding pl at sst, for the most part i agree with you.. i notice how he doesn’t talk about topics – like assange and numerous other topics, but i think this is mostly due his extreme conservative intolerance and ideology, but you are correct.. that is some good news coverage from time to time.. i continue to review the site..

Posted by: james | May 5 2019 16:33 utc | 252

@Posted by: willie | May 5, 2019 11:48:29 AM | 253
They are always in the streets, antifascists I mean, they also usually continue demonstrating in favor of Donbass people since 2014, and Palestine, last time under a heavy storm….

Posted by: Sasha | May 5 2019 16:39 utc | 253

@Posted by: james | May 5, 2019 12:33:04 PM | 254
I, on the contrary, do not find anything excpetional at SST, except those well researched compilations by Habbakuk and the enjoyable reports by TTG, but, for the rest, there is the usual summary after reading some mass media, “alt-media”, and SouthFront, which seems to them like God´s word,just what they do at many other sites which surged as champignons around the launching of fascist reconquest of Europe in the Ukraine and pre-campaign for Trump.
In fact, I agree with Milomilo in that several characters and structure is common in many of the most famous blogs, with commenters whose profile is almost an exact copy of another one at other blog. For example, there is the not very prolific, kinda good guy, who usually performs polite and conciliatory, leaving this profile only to pick on the bones of those who post something inconvenient.
The utility of SST as a forum for discussion gets disabled by the impossibility to contradict Pat Lang in the least, or being somewhat prolific at posting new information ( I mean in the sacle of posting more than one comment a day ), even when well fundamented counterarguments, do any of that and you get banned immediately. No wonder even his fixed commenters of always there never contradict him, nor they forget giving him the reason every hour, just in case.
What this man could have been while going up in his career is not difficult to imagine. I put my hand in the fire that he has elbowed his way, obscuring anyone who could show brighter than him in any aspect or at any moment…Of course, this is common to another blogs as well, where you can not contradict the host ever, lest you are showed the door. This is why I got to the conclusion that all these blogs are ruled by the same team of people or belong all to the same mothership, since they seem all to be cut by the same patern.
Thus, definitely, another broadcasting blog to advance a certain kind of ideology/US propaganda, but analysis, what it is serious analysis, while they refuse to consider any angle/opinion/accurate information others could add, there is not.
All in all, his best asset, the most sober, with a good capability to make a good report out of several sources, which reads clear and concise, and even enjoyable by the rythm and style, with the aditional advantage that he lacks the usual bigotry of others, is TTG.
Habbakuk is a crack, but sometimes the ammount of information he brings in and manage does not get clear in his long reports, his, are obviously analysis to read in slow motion and reread…But the hard work he does seems inmeasurable, in the line of that of “b”, but, of course, in another style.

Posted by: Sasha | May 5 2019 17:15 utc | 254

librul @256
See b’s comment @105.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 5 2019 17:15 utc | 255

@258
Thx (for once) JR,
I had a not-so-good feeling about this one, by the way.
Thx again, JackRabbit

Posted by: librul | May 5 2019 17:27 utc | 256

I am seeing that nobody has commented here about the ambush suffered by some FANB officials yesterday, resulting is 4 dead, if i am not wrong ( relying in memory…today I am very tired and with a good headache… )
This wears the signature of the US all the way, since they seem to target leaders and instructors of the FANB, like they did in Donbass.
Thid could well be Prince in action already.
There was also an helicopter accident, which was reported as accident by Venezuelan officials

Posted by: Sasha | May 5 2019 17:29 utc | 257

https://sputniknews.com/latam/201905051074728161-venezuela-guaido-servicemen/
A great response. Chavistas will overcome if they continue like this.

Posted by: Alpi57 | May 5 2019 18:52 utc | 258

Re Trump-Putin talks…
There’s an anti-Putin doco/hit piece available on the www called
Russia – Crushing Dissent.
Among the smears from such ‘honest’ brokers such as Masha Gessen it touches on NATO’s surrounding of, and encroachment in, Russia’s sphere of influence. It also makes the point that after Ghaddafi was murdered, Putin decided that he and Russia are on the same list as Ghaddafi and Libya, and can be expected to act accordingly.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 5 2019 18:53 utc | 259

@259 By the time that makes it to the MSM it will be “Maduro thugs burn peace offer”.

Posted by: dh | May 5 2019 19:18 utc | 260

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@255 sasha.. i agree with your assessment of pat langs site.. and i agree for the most part with your appreciationg of ttg and david h.. pat is a crank and a stuck in the mud one at that… i see in his latest post he still thinks trump has a lot of merit and that there are just the three stooges – pompeo, bolton, kushner or abrams getting in the way of trumps grand wisdom… pl is flat out wrong on this as i see it… these guys represent what trump wants, or they wouldn’t be where they are.. but i think your best comment and to one which i fully concur with is that pat has to be top dog and pee on everything.. with a leader like that, he is bound to fall and he does.. he closes his mind to alternative viewpoints and his site clearly suffers from it.. group think is allowed, so long as he all falls under his leadership.. bad leadership as i see it and ultimately too small of a viewpoint for it to be of greater value.. he keeps a lid on it..

Posted by: james | May 5 2019 20:05 utc | 261

The conversation has moved on, and I have catching up to do, but first wanted to return
to the first page of this discussion, because clearly it was hijacked at a crucial point.
Thanks to several who posted important links, and to Grieved with the comment about the
playbook being too old. But I especially want to thank karlof1 for his “OT” link to the
new Silk Road symposium. And I will say here that I strongly disagree with karlof1 – this
is not an off topic discussion but pertains directly to the reason Venezuela is being
targeted by the US administration at this time.
It isn’t about the oil. It is about Silk Road initiatives in South America. What did the
symposium emphasize? World wide action on the following objectives: unimpeded trade,
financial integration, people to people bonds.
What has the US been up to? Breaking all of the above in its own back yard. These
initiatives, called by the forums “deliverables” are being circumvented in South
America by the present bull in the southern China shop. They came for Brazil.
they came for Argentina. They came for Honduras. Et cetera.
But Brazil – remember, it had been a key part of BRICS? Gotta stymie that! When
the first of Gaido’s coup attempts happened, I was looking at how the roads north
ended in jungles after the Columbian ‘link’ to Panama, and how there was going to
be a trans American highway at the very bridge on which that first coup attempt
was staged. I look at the PBS program that travels around South America from time
to time and what it bemoans is the lack of transportation links around each country
and between each country. This does not happen by chance; this is deliberate. Not
perhaps on the part of each country’s leadership, but indeed it serves the US to
have these countries divided, even in conflict with one another. And if coups will
accomplish this, coups there will be.
And special thanks to arby. You gave the warning early on the first page. I think
this link from karlof1 would have been given the attention it warranted had not one
or more disruptors entered the fray.

Posted by: juliania | May 5 2019 20:27 utc | 262

Sorry, “southern china shop”! I didn’t really want to put China front and center
there.

Posted by: juliania | May 5 2019 20:28 utc | 263

“Trump is in the Russians pocket. This is well known fact. Admitted by his son no less. No amount of your repeating GOP disinfo or Russian disinfo changes the pure fact. <-- donkeytale | May 4, 2019 11:47:06 PM | 226 Genuine donkey tale!! Hee-haw!! <-- Piotr Berman | May 5, 2019 12:04:22 AM | 229 Show me where I'm wrong Piotr. Point it out factually. <-- donkeytale | May 5, 2019 12:10:15 AM | 230 donkytale, in a sane word [WHAT? SANITY IS FOR SISSIES AND BOOTLICKERS!] accusations can be dismissed if they are not backed by a credible proof or credible indications. There are no primary documents available nor there is a testimony that would rise above planted hear say to the claim that "Trump is in the Russians' pocket". No one showed a dime earned by Trump organization in Russia, or in a joint investment. The closest I read that a German bank, one of the largest in the world, has Russian customers and Trump is a customer too. This is what happens to any institution that deals with loans and deposits on a trillion dollar scale, having customers from many nations. As far as "indications" are concerned, as moonofalabama discussed at length, Trump has done zip to "please Putin", much less that our combative champion of Liberty, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Like when she did not block a Russian state company from purchasing a Canadian company that purchased American uranium mines. It is not like anyone got a uranium shortage (or supply) as a result. To summarize, donkytale, you tossed widely distributed speculation as "THE FACT", with "admitted by his son, no less" (without a link, I assume that this is some contorted misreporting), with invective to spice it. This attitude reminds me an encounter with a wild turkey blocking a village street. As a passenger, I stepped out and tried to gently shoo him away, and I had a degree of success because the turkey chased me around the car so he was no longer in front when I returned to my seat, but, as a parting statement, he jumped onto the roof, pooped, and only then it flew away. So all those "IT IS A FACT", "I AM NOT A BOOTLICKER" remind me the attitude of this turkey.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 6 2019 9:48 utc | 264

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 6, 2019 5:48:28 AM | 265
Trump is in the business of selling real estate which is considered to be one of the many ways to launder money.
Arguably, his business interest lies in the ways to drive capital away from Russia, to make “the West” a safe haven for illegal money.
Partnership with Russia would not work this way.
Trump may have transactions with individual Russians but certainly not with the Russian state. What Trump is accused of is having been lobbied “via Russian oligarch”, but that is, I understand, the way politics, sorry business, works in the United States. Clinton et al were lobbied via “Ukrainian oligarch”.
I guess Putin’s oligarchs did not spend enough on Democrats.

Posted by: somebody | May 6 2019 11:09 utc | 265

I have often wondered about Eric Zuesse. This is the first time I have seen someone come out and say to stay clear of him.
I have also wondered about what his own mother tongue is, and where he “comes from” both literally and figuratively. His writing often verges on the unreadable.
Posted by: Really? | May 4, 2019 9:34:50 AM | 110

I am quite certain his native tongue is Americanese, but it is a shame he cannot write properly. He clings so tightly to particular details that he is determined to write them in incontrovertible legalese, but his conception of grammar is really catastrophic. The end result is text that is an utterly impenetrable jungle, which it is very frustrating to try to fight one’s way through.
As other commenters have pointed out his heart is in the right place, he often writes about important topics, and the substantive content of his articles is often exactly that which is crying out to be written. But his lack of control over his language is a chronic hindrance.
There is a general quality of US Americans that they have a tendency to use far a far greater number of words than is necessary or appropriate to put a given concept across*, whereas a good English writer will usually express the same content far more concisely (the same applies to speeches); Zuesse however takes this quality to the extreme, and this is another irritating factor when trying to plough through his articles – there is far too much unnecessary verbage.
(* another difference I have noticed is that US books tend to be printed on very thick, very lightweight paper, whereas English books tend to be printed on thinner, heavier, more dense paper, and quite often the font size is smaller!)

Posted by: BM | May 6 2019 16:21 utc | 266

@141 psychohistorian.. hopefully this evangelical nightmare will end some time soon.. it is amazing how the have created this bond with israel-zionism and want to act like vampires on the world stage together..
Posted by: james | May 4, 2019 2:42:23 PM | 165
On the topic of Christian Zionism and its links to Israel, there seems to be substantial evidence that Wahhabist Islam is fake, in that it was created by a Middle Eastern crypto J__ on the urging of a British spy, with the specific objective of undermining Islam and destroying it from within – which is precisely what it has done. Likewase the founder of the Saudi monarchy was also a crypto J__- There were documents collating information on the history and origins of the founders of Wahhabism and the Saudi monarchy, which were unearthed in the Iraqi intelligence agency in the aftermath of the Iraqi invasion, and much of that information was subsequently independently verified.
There was also, it seems, a very substantial subversive network in Turkey (and many other parts of the then Ottoman Empire), rather like the freemasons in many ways (sorry the name of it escapes me for the moment), which was suborning Turkish politics and Kemal Atatürk was a member of that network and enabled by it. That network, it seems, was also a network of crypto J__s (pushed underground by the restrictions of the Ottoman Empire) and Atatürk was a crypto J__. Interesting that Atatürk was supposedly a secularist, but actually what he was doing was a concerted attack on Islam from within. Thusn the meaning of “secularism” in the Atatürk context was not really secularism at all, but anti-Islam.
There were two linked articles on the crypto-J__ish Wahhabism and on the crypto-J__ish Kemalism published a number of years ago on Global Research, and I posted links to both articles on one of the Khashoggi threads (someone else posted a link to one of them first, but far more interesting is taking both articles together). What matters most is pulling these various strands together, they are very revealing.
Then recently I came across another aspect on the same theme – the suggestion that the Christian Zionism sect espoused by Pompei, Pence, and Bush and the most highly dominant religious influence in US American politics (and also Bolsanaro, Guaido etc) might also be a crypto-J__ish fabrication. Unlike the Turkish and Saudi histories this is much more speculative, and not as far as I am aware firmly established. Nevertheless what is interesting is the links and commonalities with the Turkish and Saudi issues, combined with the well known very dominant influence of Israel on US American politics. I posted a link to this article very recently, probably in one of the Venezuela threads.
Sorry I don’t have the links to these three articles at hand, but as I say what is particularly interesting is thinking about all three strands and pulling them together.

Posted by: BM | May 6 2019 17:32 utc | 267

Posted by: BM | May 6, 2019 1:32:01 PM | 268
(Oops, the italics weren’t closed properly)
I forgot to tie in the other (even more speculative) strand – freemasonry. Could this also be linked with Zionism and the ambition of Zionism to control society?
Just pure speculation to keep in the back of the mind, maybe sometime something concrete might suddenly be laid bare.

Posted by: BM | May 6 2019 18:40 utc | 268

@somebody | May 3, 2019 6:09:02 PM | 43
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Posted by: foolisholdman | May 6 2019 18:50 utc | 269

We should not forget…it ain’t over until the fat lady has sung. Has she? I would love to find out what role Russia is playing here…Gave a warning?

Posted by: Vera Gottlieb | May 6 2019 19:00 utc | 270

> recognition by the high court of Guaido as interim president with elections within a year
So, “within a year”
Constitution, 30 days – screw it all, USA has a plan!
Like another PotUS said: you liek your plan? you may keep it!

Posted by: Arioch | May 6 2019 21:05 utc | 271

The idiots in the USA Whitehouse and Pentagon are a perverse bunch of hypocrites. They tried a coup in 2002 and it failed against Hugo Chavez. The imposition of sanctions was designed to punish the people of Venezuela and an act of war but also against the Geneva Convention on collective punishment. The arrogance of the USA is feigning cares for the people of Venezuela as well as stating they want the largest reserves of oil in the world stinks to the high heavens of hypocrisy, greed, hubris and all that the true ‘Evil Empire’ represents. The USA needs to get rid of the ‘swamp rats’ that Trump promoted before he was elected and focus on ridding his administration with neocon traitors to the Constitution and the American people.
The attacks over the years by the CIA (Criminals in Action) and the various bodies that supposedly ‘protect the security’ of the USA have always been designed as an imperial exercise of theft of nations, murdering of innocents, hypocrisy in ‘spreading democracy especially when toppling democratically elected governments such as Iran and Dr Mossadeqh and so very close to the exercise in Venezuela. Large oil deposits nationalized for the benefit of the people and then the CIA and Britain’s MI6 cause the coup though operation Ajax and this brings in the Shah of Iran and the CIA trained torturers the ‘Savak’ who reputedly tortured and killed over 300,000 Iranians. This would likely be the outcome if the CIA trained Guaido was put in as a puppet leader and the suppression of any semblance of democracy. The world needs to siolate the US and its corrupt influence in the world as the bully and bitch of Israel.

Posted by: Scotoz | May 7 2019 6:50 utc | 272

I can’t resist this, although I definitely should:

If he has any brain or sense of shame, he will give himself up to Venezuelan authorities, admit to his crimes in a court and accept his punishment. Spending the rest of his life in a high-max security prison cell would give him more protection than he will have from the US or his followers now that he is no longer useful to his masters.

I don’t know how you think Guaido can “give himself up.” As I understand it, he is not charged with anything. He’s walking around free, whereever he wants to go, in Caracas or anywhere else in Venezuela. In a sense he’s in the same position as Anwar al-Awlaki, who was never charged with any crime. I agree he’s likely to be assassinated by the CIA in a false flag operation to justify an American invasion.

Posted by: Procopius | May 8 2019 12:28 utc | 273