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May 24, 2019

The Leaden Lady Steps Down

It was high time for this to happen:

Theresa May has announced she is to stand down as Prime Minister on 7 June following months of mounting pressure over her failure to deliver Brexit.
Mrs May will remain in post until a successor is chosen

The final straw of her doomed premiership came when a last-gasp effort to win support for her Withdrawal Agreement Bill backfired spectacularly and it became obvious her Brexit deal was dead in the water.

Brexiteers within her own party were enraged by the concession of the offer of a potential second referendum and customs union arrangement announced on Tuesday.

Boris Johnson is the leading candidate for May's job of not delivering Brexit.


Trump, who will visit Great Britain on June 10 while May is still in Downing Street, will likely weigh in for him.

Posted by b on May 24, 2019 at 9:22 UTC | Permalink


Why call her a lady??? She's a complicit mass-murdering lying traitorous sh!t regarding the deaths in Yemen, Syria & former Eastern ukraine, & Brexit.

Posted by: Ralph | May 24 2019 9:34 utc | 1

Much discussion on the last few threads about how hard it would be to topple trump with the present US public apathy ! Teresa Mays departuree shows us there power is just an illusion ! They are just an establishment puppet. Democracy is an illusion ! When the establishment have done with them there feet don’t touch the ground, never mind democracy. The same will apply to Trump.
The above can be said for American power world wide it’s just an illusion !!
The rest of the world now knows it. But Americans will be the last to see it, just like when your partner runs off with a lover !

Posted by: Mark2 | May 24 2019 9:48 utc | 2

Ralph @1
Yes ! And i’d add tens of thousands of drowned refugees ! victems of Tory US war for profit.

Posted by: Maark2 | May 24 2019 9:52 utc | 3

Crying when you have done everything not to make Brexit happen for what 3 years?
Boris seems more pro-Brexit though but Labour and Tory itself will work against him and the people.

Posted by: Zanon | May 24 2019 10:11 utc | 4

Not in any way surprisingly really.

Seems another fail by globalists over nationalists. May's Brexit was a Brexit in name only. Succeeded only in splintering her own party.

Leadership is about figuring out how to get ahead of the curve. Predict changes and take advantage of them, rather than trying to manufacture them and maintain a desperate status quo. The latter is what May represents.

If you believe in a democracy (which I don't), then the people have a right to decide their own destiny, for right or wrong.

I believe that May, in consultation with conservative Queen, saw Brexit as dissolution of the UK. Therefore to be avoided.

Unavoidable now. Scotland will leave the UK.

Posted by: Ant. | May 24 2019 10:23 utc | 5

This looks good info - - -

Posted by: Mark2 | May 24 2019 10:25 utc | 6

BoJo has not delivered on most everything he's stood for. It's questionable whether he'll get re-elected by his constituency after his failure to "lie down in front of the bulldozers" or even show up in Parliament over the vote for the Heathrow Expansion.

Posted by: Stubbs | May 24 2019 10:31 utc | 7

Theresa was the one who let her ambition override a natural instinct not to pick up a stick with sh!t on the middle and at both ends. Quite how she got so far is an embarassing indictment of our political system, and the results of the European Elections on Sunday will likely show the Brexit / Farage Party to be well in the lead. The Europeans will not like these 5th columnists taking their seats. It is within the interests of the EUSSR to prevent people leaving their project. As we were one of 3 main net contributors, they needed to keep us in so Germany and France would not have to argue as to who was going to pick up the budget shortfall, and tell all the new entrants their EUSSR bribe money was coming to an end. e.g. Poland's nice new motorways (freeways) were built on the back of EUSSR grants. Many people realise that life outside the EUSSR will not be plain sailing,but better to stand on our own 2 feet than pay money over which we have no ultimate control. I look forward to Trump refusing a joint presser/photo opp with "a loser"andgoing down "the pub" with Farage for a pint.

Posted by: Kaiama | May 24 2019 10:40 utc | 8

Corbyn had a chance to lead the UK, but he has thrown that away. The only other intelligent politician in the UK is Nigel Farage. It’s always refreshing to hear him speak. To the point, logical, amusing and erudite. Boris Johnson is as stupid as Donald Trump, as hard as that is to manage. Who knows? Maybe Farage will end up as PM one day.

Posted by: SteveK9 | May 24 2019 10:56 utc | 9

"... Trump, who will visit Great Britain on June 10 while May is still in Downing Street, will likely weigh in for [Boris Johnson]."

Would anyone be able to tell the difference between Trump and BoJo the Clown? After all, both Trump and Johnson were born in New York City, though 22 years apart - but perhaps n

Come to think of it, if BoJo does become Prime Minister, would anyone be able to tell the difference between the Trump administration's policies and the BoJo government's policies?

Posted by: Jen | May 24 2019 11:04 utc | 10

Buckled with emotion towards the end, but when has it ever shown emotions towards the plebs?

Good to see the friendly comments from so called opposition MPs too. Shows them for what they really are...

Posted by: Some Random Passer-by | May 24 2019 11:14 utc | 11

Sorry my comment @ 10 got screwed up by my laptop. I was still editing it when the screen froze and then suddenly it was posted!

I meant to add that both Trump and Johnson had been born in New York City, though 22 years apart - but perhaps a time wormhole right at the very moment the twins were born opened suddenly and one of the children fell into it and emerged much later?

Posted by: Jen | May 24 2019 11:27 utc | 12

Good riddance, to the old hag, (imagine men, waking up to that mug every morning). Next banker sock puppet up now!

Posted by: Taffyboy | May 24 2019 11:55 utc | 13

I think that Trump has already proposed a matey lunch with Boris "I want to be the next Prime Minister" Johnson when Trump comes to the UK.

I suggest that Theresa May also lays on a dinner for the Orange One with Christopher Steele (if they can find him). She could even ask the Skripals to meet him (if they can find them). She really has nothing to lose and it would give much innocent pleasure to a lot of people.

Incidentally I do hope that Johnson gets the job, as whoever gets it, won't have it for long.

Posted by: Montreal | May 24 2019 12:10 utc | 14

Farage will never be prime minister. That would be like the USA electing Ron Paul. Too many interests with way too much power to let that happen. Democracy is an ellaborate stage show. HRC was supposed to win but they knew Trump could be managed and controlled.

Posted by: Goldhoarder | May 24 2019 12:19 utc | 15

And Corbyn being elected would be equivalent to Bernie Sanders being elected. Never gonna happen

Posted by: Comandante | May 24 2019 12:25 utc | 16

I can't think of a more over-reported/analysed news story in my lifetime as Brexit--and I live in the U.S. and am over 40 years old:D

Posted by: SharonM | May 24 2019 12:38 utc | 17

Yet another victim of the "Assad must go" curse... :P

Posted by: David | May 24 2019 12:54 utc | 18

What the thick idiots in the media, in British politics and even in the British population should understand once and for all is that, by default, the referendum was actually about a no-deal Brexit. The question was if UK should leave or remain, and just that, and was definitely not if UK should leave "only if there's a good deal for Britain to replace EU membership".
Of course, this also means that every single person who voted Leave while thinking the UK would only leave with a new deal and otherwise would stay inside the Union was a big fucking idiot - or, for a few of them, a scheming hypocrite.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | May 24 2019 13:05 utc | 19

Boris - our Zelensky. His main achievement being a long running impersonation of Trump.

My initial thoughts on May was that she was a poor poor candidate for the job. Subsequent events have only proved that all the alternatives were far far worse.
She should have sacked Boris and co at the Chequers meeting. She should have made it clear that he had completely failed to reach even a negotiation position on Brexit.
They have failed her - much more failed the voters, and now expected to be rewarded for it.

If the don't get a Brexit deal done soon they may have killed off the conservative party for good.

Posted by: Michael Droy | May 24 2019 13:19 utc | 20

No aay will the Donald pass by a chance to hobnob with Nigel Farage.

Posted by: morongobill | May 24 2019 13:31 utc | 21

The Roth-$childs have endless other lackeys to replace her. The British news media is a joke and the place is run like a police state.

Posted by: Jerry | May 24 2019 13:55 utc | 22

May modeled herself after Thatcher and Trump models himself after Reagan. How many children are named Reagan in the USA? (Imagine being so thick that you'd name your child after that arsehole Reagan.)

Obama touted Reagan as a hero. That should have been an indication as to what he would be (a fake liberal, a warmonger; he made permanent the Dubya Bush Tax Cuts for the rich which were set to expire in 10 years).

May is a horrible person. So are Tony Blair and David Cameron.

We're all run like a Police State now.

It's time again to Thank the Military for your service. It really helped our freedom, you doing your part to murder peasants, especially the women and children, in foreign lands.

Posted by: fastfreddy | May 24 2019 14:11 utc | 23

to Ralph #1 Right on! Same could be said for disgusting Killary Klinton.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | May 24 2019 14:23 utc | 24

May was a racist - among other despicable things. She was Home Secretary a few years ago and while in that post (Cameron's govt) she oversaw the despicable deliberate destruction of the "Windrush Generation's" entry into Britain papers (passenger manifests) in order to deny these Commonwealth British people and their families the right to remain in the UK (because without those mainfests they could no longer demonstrate when and how they arrived in Britain). Of course, previous British governments should have provided them with passports or the necessary papers. But what May (daughter of a vicar of course) did was yet more unethical, immoral.

So too her and her government's refusal to abide by the international court's ruling on the Chagossian case. The Chagossians (odd how one never hears anything about this on the MSM) were deliberately removed (ethnically cleansed, something Britons and Americans are so used to doing) from their islands near Mauritius (including the one of Diego Garcia), their farm animals slaughtered, in order for the US to build a huge military base on DG. And they have been prevented from returning to their homes (most destroyed by the US/UK). The Chagossians have won at least two court battles, including the recent one. But the Brits - under pressure, doubtless, but also because they have always had an inflated sense of their own importance since the late 16th C - that is the May government, have refuse to acknowledge the verdict and to right the wrongs done to the Chagossians. Meanwhile the US likewise sticks up its finger at the rightful inhabitants of those islands.

Now can you imagine - I'm sure you can - had either racist act been committed by Russia or China or Iran, what the MSM and FUKUS response, splother would be? But because these actions have been committed by the European tribes of the western world: nowt said.

Posted by: AnneR | May 24 2019 14:24 utc | 25

Quite how she got so far is an embarassing indictment of our political system, and the results of the European Elections on Sunday will likely show the Brexit / Farage Party to be well in the lead. Kaiama @ 8.

Yes... The Brexit vote result caused Cameron to slink away despite his promise to ‘see it through.’ Subsequently nobody “really” wanted the job. May, a Remainer, promised to deliver Brexit, coupled with her rather rigid and determined personality (to put it *extremely* kindly), she was chosen.

A figure that could be kicked out when needed...say...

The EU elections in GB are a pure pro/anti Brexit vote.

Turn out will be low, around 35%, as last time. About 40% UK voters are staunch Leavers, 40% are Remainers (see link) of very mixed stripes and kinds, think Scotland, N.I, young ppl, lowly Finance workers, etc.

Leavers will vote for the Brexit Party, I expect roughly around 35% - possibly maybe even more... ? A few Leavers will still vote UKIP, 1 - 3 %.

Stay vote will be split. Majority will go for the LibDems and Labor, about 15% or so each, hard to say ‘who will come first’, on the one hand LibDem first (as ‘genuine’ remainers), on the other Labor first because, historical faithful voters. (Labor has been bleeding leave voters and is on the cusp of becoming a ‘Remain’ party.)

Tories are dead last on the scoreboard. As the main instigators of Brexit (even if in competition with UKIP etc) and then no follow thru.., ouch.

The UK pol. system cannot deal with major issues like Brexit, as I have posted at least 3 times before.

1. Greens and ChangeUK (very lame), other - will have drained some Stay voters.

Posted by: Noirette | May 24 2019 14:36 utc | 26

well, let's leave out Boris, but that is late enough for her to meet with the Orange King and his family. ;)

Posted by: joanna | May 24 2019 14:44 utc | 27

Denk posted this link a few days ago to an article on catastrophic outbreaks of African Swine Fever and the Fall Armyworm (a pest for grains):

A China Food Crisis More Danger Than Trade War?

Have there been any suggestions that this is engineered by the US? The African Swine Fever in particular is suspicious, because the US has been working on development of it as a biological weapon in Georgia and Ukraine, and are known to have introduced infestations in Russia, Georgia and Ukraine. I don't know if the US is known to have developed the Fall Armyworm as a biological weapon, but it is endemic to North America, according to the article.

Posted by: BM | May 24 2019 14:45 utc | 28

Posted by: Kaiama | May 24, 2019 6:40:54 AM | 8

and going down "the pub" with Farage for a pint.

That's a good idea, would be great images for public consumption, you should tell Trump's media people, just in case they misguidedly decided to better keep the Trump-Farage links down at the moment.

But I am sure Trump and his larger family will enjoy meeting the Queen and family. ;)

Posted by: joanna | May 24 2019 14:54 utc | 29

Which ever Tory replaces Teresa dis-May they will still be a powerless minority government ! At a time when all party’s are devided. The next important vote in parliament will be a defeat, The Queen will then ask ‘the great Jeremy Corbyn if he can form a majority government ! With the scotish Nicola Sturgeon’s help he could hold a majority.
We won’t even need a general election !!!
Yes yes pleeease yes ! ! !

Posted by: Mark2 | May 24 2019 14:56 utc | 30


George Galloway is also highly intelligent. Will he win the by-election in Peterborough?

Posted by: lysias | May 24 2019 14:56 utc | 31


If Tories plus DUP is a majority, Labour plus SNP cannot be a majority.

Posted by: lysias | May 24 2019 14:59 utc | 32

Theresa May has announced she is to stand down as Prime Minister on 7 June
Trump, who will visit Great Britain on June 10 while May is still in Downing Street

If she is resigning on 7th June, the new PM should already be in Downing Street before 10th June!

Posted by: BM | May 24 2019 15:04 utc | 33

Could this be the beginning of the end for the EU? It looks like Brexit will happen. This means a democratic vote on leaving the EU can work. The big loser is the Brussels bureaucracy. Over the last 3 years they put tremendous pressure on the people of UK to reverse the leave vote and rallied many tory and labour leaders to the remain side. Those two parties are bleeding support right now and if they don't change will become politically irrelevant.

All in all, this could be very good news for those who still believe in democratic voting as viable instrument for progressive change.

Posted by: ToivoS | May 24 2019 15:10 utc | 34

Lysais @ 33
The D U P have stopped supporting the Tory’s hence the Tory’s are a minority govenment ! And have stated they won’t be supporting the Tory’s in the future. Therefore Labour can for a majority coalition !

Posted by: Mark2 | May 24 2019 15:24 utc | 35

AnneR - 26: No way is MADMAYHEM a racist, she opened up britain to even more immigrants & while home secretary, deliberately cut border/immigration personnel.
You sound like an echo of Craig Murray.

Posted by: Ralph | May 24 2019 15:29 utc | 36

Ralph @ 37
Yes May did deliberately open up the borders to let immigrants in, she the Tory’s and the media then deliberately whiped up race hate in the public via the main stream media, deviding the working class vote down the middle.
The Tory’s found facist Farage and put him in front of the cameras (a freandly usefull rebel)
Farage is good mates with establishment Murdoch, who is good mates with Rothschild.
Sorry but UKIP/ Brixit was a establishment con !

Posted by: Mark2 | May 24 2019 15:44 utc | 37

Bloody confusing Brits, we have to wait until June 7th for the end of May!!!

Posted by: ralphieboy | May 24 2019 15:54 utc | 38

In the end, it's all just hysterical political nonsense.

A bit of history.

There used to be a Great Britain. You know, that country that had a enormous trading empire, just a couple of centuries ago. Claimed to own the world. Glorious naval commanders like Drake, Nelson. Smashed the dissolute Spanish Armada. Trafalgar. The Nile. Waterloo. Glorious explorers like Captain Cook. Nova Australis.

What is left of your mighty Empire now?

It's entirely possible the UK may have a Moslem Prime Minister shortly (Sadiq Khan).

Rally, so much for empires. The Yankee Empire needs to understand co-operation rather than competition is the only way forwards.

Tragically, Americans are very inwards-looking, they can only understand their own unrealistic attitudes. If we can't own the world, then let's burn it.

Posted by: Ant | May 24 2019 15:55 utc | 39

I see Corbyn and Labour as the only hope for UK's continuance, although Scotland wanting to remain in EU may leave the Union anyway. May's leaving is a good first step, but the entire Tory party must be divested of its position, its depredations on people never forgotten or forgiven, and it must never be allowed to hold power again. That said, it's up to UK's voters to make that potential future reality.

Related are the EUP Elections where "it is widely anticipated that so-called populist parties across the bloc will make significant gains in winning seats in the 751-member chamber of the European Parliament." Apparently, an attempt was made to tie Russiagate in with this election, but it fell flat on its face and has done more harm to the Establishment.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 24 2019 16:10 utc | 40

Posted by: BM | May 24, 2019 11:04:04 AM | 34
If she is resigning on 7th June, the new PM should already be in Downing Street before 10th June!

Not postponed yet. ...

Images: I wouldn't mind to see the princes and Trump at Turnberry, with a lot of happy Scottish deplorables invited to watch over a pint or two and some fish & chips (love it!! but not with vinegar but with lemon)

Posted by: joanna | May 24 2019 16:12 utc | 41

@ BM | May 24, 2019 11:04:04 AM | 34

If she is resigning on 7th June, the new PM should already be in Downing Street before 10th June!

Ah, but perhaps May is resigning as she governed. The "resignation" may turn out to be an open-ended affair, requiring further trips to Brussels, consultations with various political entities, and other arcane dilatory procedures I can't imagine offhand. Like Brexit, it could take years to accomplish!

FWIW, I just watched a short video clip of RT's "Going Underground" host Afshin Rattansi being interviewed by newsreader Nadira Tudor on RT News. He was there to express reaction to May's lachrymose "resignation" speech, but Tudor wanted him to answer some clichéd questions about how the resignation would affect the UK's (geo)political machinations, the mood of the country going forward, etc.

The usually sedate Rattansi was so incensed by May's swan-song that he rather rudely brushed off those follow-up questions in order to continue an impassioned, but accurate, polemic adumbrating May's various high crimes and misdemeanors. Since he's an interviewer and presenter himself, he obviously knew he was being non-responsive; Tudor was understandably frustrated, but I found Rattansi's righteous scathing "obituary" gratifying.

I expect that mass-media reports will sympathetically focus on May's uncharacteristic display of emotion during her resignation announcement. But perhaps Rattansi's undisguised rancor arose from the impression (which I share) that May's final tears were all for herself.

Posted by: Ort | May 24 2019 16:16 utc | 42


I just watched that! Perfect description, Ort:D

Posted by: SharonM | May 24 2019 16:28 utc | 43

Yes... The Brexit vote result caused Cameron to slink away despite his promise to ‘see it through.’ Subsequently nobody “really” wanted the job. May, a Remainer, promised to deliver Brexit, coupled with her rather rigid and determined personality (to put it *extremely* kindly), she was chosen.

Posted by: Noirette | May 24, 2019 10:36:28 AM | 27

The way I recall it, at those heady times, Boris was "raring to go" to PM-ship, but was back stabbed by a fellow Brexiter, not remainder could take the job, while nobody could figure out if Theresa May is a remainer or not, hence she became a perfect compromise candidate. Actually, I do not understand the passions on both sides, but perhaps Farange will get parliamentary majority and will be going around shires fighting Cavaliers with his doughty Roundheads while Celtics will disperse.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 24 2019 17:35 utc | 44

BoJo Harkonnen is what comes to mind whenever I see that image. His becoming premier of Britain would be good for laughs, at the very least.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 24 2019 18:06 utc | 45

One thing is certain and should be noted ! !
The British public are now totaly irepareably devided ! The Brixiters think there’s light at the end of the tunnel , it’s a false dawn. They are the half of the public that believed what the main Media told them ! We here know how dagerous and deceptive that can be ! ! ! Amiright ?

Posted by: Mark2 | May 24 2019 18:10 utc | 46

Along with the "Assad must go" we also have this

Younes H-Hamou
‏ @youneshh
9h9 hours ago

David Cameron: Corbyn must go! His party is in disarray!

Cameron resigns, Corbyn still here.

Theresa May: Corbyn cannot be trusted! His party are a danger!

May resigns, Corbyn still here.

Posted by: arby | May 24 2019 18:31 utc | 47

And Farage resigned twice.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 24 2019 18:35 utc | 48

And I just found this as well

Theresa May

"Asked about the crisis, the prime minister’s spokesman said: “The 2018 presidential election in Venezuela was neither free nor fair, so the regime’s basis for power is deeply flawed."

“We fully support the democratically-elected national assembly with Juan Guaidó as its president.”"

Posted by: arby | May 24 2019 18:37 utc | 49

A shame there's no equivalent to the Victorian Era's Gilbert & Sullivan to render some humor from the May/Tory fiasco. Corbyn's been calling daily for an immediate General Election, but what will force one to occur?

Posted by: karlof1 | May 24 2019 18:48 utc | 50

We should all resist the urge to just switch off to British politics due to the total mind numbing kaos of it all. That is exactly what the establishment want us to do.
What we are looking at pure and simple is a multiple car crash!
We knew it was coming and here it is.
Has it imploded or disintegrated? Yes.
But the people truly in control are still there pulling the strings !
And there business plan is always profit from kaos.
Unite behind Corbyn ! he still stands solid despite the massive attempt to topple him. We can then settle our difference ones we establish the truth.
At the end of the day we All just want to feed our family ! Right ! Give up the hate and choose love

Posted by: Mark2 | May 24 2019 19:18 utc | 51

she's just been another poodle to the US Empire and its masters

she will be replaced by another poodle

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 24 2019 19:33 utc | 52

BM @ 34:

The arrangement is that Theresa May currently serves out her time until 10 June. A new prime minister may not yet be known until some time in July, even as late as near the end of July. This depends on who challenges for the job: Boris Johnson may well do but I think from memory he has a history of ducking out at the last moment when the heat is on. Home Secretary Sajid Javid may see a chance of applying for the job and becoming Britain's first Muslim PM and first PM with a British Asian background (his parents were originally from Pakistan).

In theory a Deputy Prime Minister steps up to serve as caretaker PM - but the UK has had no Deputy PM since Nick Clegg last had the job (2010 - 2015). This probably means the next in succession is the Chancellor of the Exchequer (equivalent to Treasurer in Australia) and this would be Phillip Hammond.

Posted by: Jen | May 24 2019 21:07 utc | 53

@ 34 ToivoS

No, the "Brussels bureaucracy" did not put any great pressure on the British to reverse Brexit. What happened, contrary to the delusions of the Brexiteers, was that the other countries of the European Union failed to fall apart after the British announced they were leaving the club, and negotiated as a unified group. Since the British attempt to play divide and conquer failed so badly, the British found they were in an extremely weak bargaining position, because the rest of the EU is much larger and more economically powerful than Britain by itself. Confronted by this unified EU, May's government found that they couldn't get the wonderful withdrawal terms the Brexiteers had promised and expected, and that if Britain left the EU, it would be in a far weaker economic and political position than it would have been if it had stayed in. May still tried to leave anyway, but the horrible terms she negotiated were so bad that even most of the pro Brexit members of Parliament in her own party refused to back her deal.
And because Brexit has proved to be such a horrible disaster for the British, almost nobody in the other EU countries wants to leave the EU, though many of them, especially on the right, would like to change it.

Posted by: Glenn Brown | May 24 2019 21:12 utc | 54

For all those thinking there will be a new PM to welcome Trump, its likely to be Theresa May. First, contenders (MPs) must get 2 MPs (proposer and seconder) to nominate them. When nominations close, the MPs vote. The candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated. They keep voting until there are 2 candidates left. These candidates then go around the country pitching their virtues to local conservative associations. The 150k registered conservative members then vote and the winner must get >50% of the votes cast. If there is only 1 candidate or 2 candidates then its slightly different but it still follows the process above.

Posted by: Kaiama | May 24 2019 22:18 utc | 55

The last time (Cameron's resignation), it took 19 days from resignation to formation of the new government (by May).

Posted by: Kaiama | May 24 2019 22:23 utc | 56

Ha ha ha.
The Boris pic reminds me of the one of George W Bush nicknamed Chimpy McFlightsuit.

Posted by: Curtis | May 24 2019 22:56 utc | 57

"End of May in early June" headline on the TASS news website - I had to chuckle...

Posted by: tspoon | May 24 2019 23:16 utc | 58

how come no one here is mentioning Ireland? this seems to be the main reason no agreement was reached between uk and the eu. is there any hope scotland will get out of GB and northern ireland will be thrown out of it?

Posted by: mina | May 24 2019 23:31 utc | 59

If Scotland joined a federation with Ireland, it would automatically stay in the EU. And the Ulster Protestants would be much more willing to join such a federation including Protestant Scotland than to join a united Ireland.

Posted by: lysias | May 25 2019 0:00 utc | 60

f Scotland joined a federation with Ireland, ...Posted by: lysias | May 24, 2019 8:00:21 PM

Hibernation Federation (Hibernation in common usage)?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 25 2019 1:03 utc | 61

I have always looked at Brexit as a fall back/kick the can position for the City of London that didn't want to expose their financial perfidy under EU rules.

It will be easier to isolate the centers of empire this way if it comes to that. The EU can migrate to the China/Russia axis through whatever theatre is created around that geo-political evolution.

I guess I don't see the US/UK/Israel as an axis that can survive even with a few other nation hangers breakdown of the private financial order, a debt abolition world wide and new government politicians in all Western nations is what is coming.....Is the remaining West axis going to nuke the rest of the world because they refuse to pay the immorally gotten debt owed?..... I think not but how sick is entitled?

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 25 2019 5:39 utc | 62

If and when Corbyn wins his foreign policy team (Seumas Milne and hopefully Chris Williamson and Ken Livingstone in the background) must investigate the Integrity Initiative, the Expose Network, and the newly formed "Open Information Partnership" psyop. Given that the entire Deep State and MSM will be against them from Day 1, they would be foolish not to use this ammo. Hopefully we'll see more on the Steele Dossier and Simon Bracey Lane. Finally, they must end the persecution of Assange and give him immediate asylum. Again, unless he is trying to lose, Corbyn had every incentive to pull back the curtain given the weapons in the hands of his enemies.

Posted by: Blooming Barricade | May 25 2019 5:48 utc | 63

@ 62

"Is the remaining West axis going to nuke the rest of the world because they refuse to pay the immorally gotten debt owed?..... I think not but how sick is entitled?"

That the US will let fly the missiles as a last attempt to preserve its domination, rather than let its power collapse without doing that, is exactly what I expect to see happen.

We already know that if the US can't dominate a people, it would rather destroy that people's country then leave them alone. We know the US views all the people of the world that way. (And of course all of modern civilization views the entire living Earth that way. Rather exterminate then let live unenslaved.)

Posted by: Russ | May 25 2019 6:33 utc | 64

"than", not "then"

Posted by: Russ | May 25 2019 6:34 utc | 65

Agreed !!
Desperate people do desperate things !

Posted by: Mark2 | May 25 2019 8:33 utc | 66

@ 69
Me ? I’m Antifa, Black Bloc, BLM, Labour, And AH ! In that order.
The far right will never win, Farage has devided Britain down the middle, It’s broken beyound repair.
It’s over !
P.S. I need funding

Posted by: Mark2 | May 25 2019 13:00 utc | 67

If she is resigning on 7th June, the new PM should already be in Downing Street before 10th June! BM 33

(others have made similar points above, see Jen, etc.)

She is stepping down as Leader of the Tory Party and the Unionist, DUP (official position last time I looked.) She remains a member of Parliament and a Tory, as well as PM until a new PM can be installed. She will be a caretaker PM, mundane business, etc. with no power.

She could have quit this post/role as well, someone else could have been appointed to occupy the ‘caretaker’ role, but she did not, or was not forced to. (Think e.g. dire illness.) However the Gvmt. and civil service continues as before.

The Tories will: by balllot by MPs, /process X/, end up with 2 ‘top’ candidates, who are then voted for by 100K+ party members, by post.

—This was a concession to make it all look ‘more democratic.’ If one of the two ‘top’ designated candidates withdraws the vote does not take place, nifty, heh? May herself became PM in this way. Note the French have instituted a very similar process, with strange results.

Piotr 44, yes, May was a ‘compro’ candidate, quite right. But when she inevitably made a dogs breakfast of things, everyone let her run forward with ‘whatever’ to then ‘maybe not or oh No’ while infighting and ticking down the clock, they all (incl. Labour) sat back and went Tut Tut or Nay! Nay! or we have to discuss this in depth etc.

Obfuscating every issue with inaccuracies, straight-out lies, silly slogans, electoral posturing or just plain lost in the garden of ignorance (while needing to maintain a country home and Club Membership and maybe even a chauffeur ..)

Now Bojo may resurge back! (According to Verhofstadt the EU's worst nightmare.)

Posted by: Noirette | May 25 2019 15:22 utc | 68

Good riddance, to the old hag, (imagine men, waking up to that mug every morning). Next banker sock puppet up now!
Posted by: Taffyboy | May 24, 2019 7:55:29 AM | 13

Her Mum probably loved her...
I've always felt a bit sorry for Mrs May. Her face and demeanor remind me of Cilla Black singing that old McCartney tear-jerker It's For You.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 25 2019 15:36 utc | 69

karlof1 | May 24, 2019 2:48:22 PM | 50

I don't have an appropriate Gilbert and Sullivan farewell ditty for May at my fingertips. Perhaps this will fill the void until one comes along: (thanks, Darcy!)

Posted by: AntiSpin | May 25 2019 18:49 utc | 70

It is indeed high time that Theresa May went.

She is the second worst prime minister in modern British history.

Just embarrassing what she has put Britain and the EU through over Brexit.

And it's not just what she's done around Brexit.

It's also her utterly servile posture towards American imperialism.

Good God, that whole ugly, made-up Skripal Affair with no evidence ever supplied and no one allowed to even talk to the "victims?"

All to increase the amount of Russophobia in the world and please the American government.

And making the most horrific charges in public without evidence against a major world leader?

And imagine wasting countless billions on the new Trident missile submarines and two aircraft carriers when the county's basic health services are in peril and British railroads can't even maintain good service? Some priorities.

Second only to David Cameron who created, needlessly and foolishly, the entire Brexit crisis.

Imagine thinking you can have a general referendum on a devastatingly complex matter like Brexit, one which baffles many experts?

Never mind its being called democratic, it was just plain stupid, in the extreme, asking people to vote on an immensely consequential matter with little understanding of it.

And at a time when xenophobia, never too far from Britain’s public consciousness, was rearing its ugly head. Something guaranteed to drive “leave” votes for the wrong reasons.

But Boris Johnson? The fart in a church service? As Prime Minister?

Britain really has had some terrible leadership for decades.

Good old Tony Blair and his lying help to illegally invade Iraq and kill a million people. Unlike May and Cameron, Blair was “effective” in getting what he wanted. It’s just that what he wanted was completely evil.

Posted by: JOHN CHUCKMAN | May 25 2019 22:41 utc | 71

@ Posted by: JOHN CHUCKMAN | May 25, 2019 6:41:28 PM | 71

I'm not taking issue with your comment, but personally, I wouldn't attempt to, er, rank the rank PMs.

Surely the odious, despicable, reprehensible war criminal Blair can't be the third worst PM in modern British history. I won't have it! ;)

Posted by: Ort | May 26 2019 0:48 utc | 72

Posted by: JOHN CHUCKMAN | May 25, 2019 6:41:28 PM | 71

Imagine thinking you can have a general referendum on a devastatingly complex matter like Brexit, one which baffles many experts?

Never mind its being called democratic, it was just plain stupid, in the extreme, asking people to vote on an immensely consequential matter with little understanding of it.

Sentient beings recognize that no one on earth is more stupid than globalization's "experts".

And I think the people understand things far better than elitist pointy-heads like you.

Posted by: Russ | May 26 2019 7:30 utc | 73

The referendum was won by a miss-informed public, via the mainstream media funded by the press barons for their own agenda !
With regards to the public intelligence or lack of, that becomes irrelevant, like the best computer money can buy if you feed/program rubbish in you get rubbish out.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 26 2019 10:30 utc | 74

The engineers of Brexit and Trumpism must both be defeated.

They exploited their way to very thin electoral victories by enticing "the people" to buy yet another delusion: globalisation is killing them (correct) and nationalism will save them (incorrect).

That "the people" were lied to every step of the way underscores the illegitimacy of Brexit and Trumpism.

What "the people" are being fed is a seductive fantasy of a nativist nationalism while the reality everywhere: the dominating political classes remain in complete service to globalism.

Military is a key profit center in both the fascist US and fascist Russia. Soon enough fascist China will enter the upper tier of defense industrialism as the eastern empire descends into the higher stages of capitalist imperialism. Military production represents the nexus of the dualistic relationship between political nationalism and global capitalism.

Political nationalism (Trump and Brexit) provides cover for this opaque system which "the people" (including many here at MoA who remain obsessed with national rivalries as a form of infotainment) do not comprehend. Neither fascism nor corporatism will be defeated by nationalism.

Posted by: donkeytale | May 26 2019 11:19 utc | 75

Mark2 @ 74


Posted by: donkeytale | May 26 2019 11:28 utc | 76

Agree with Chuckman in that Cameron should not have organised that referendum - but for a different reason.

Related to Governance: In the UK, Parliament is sovereign (to make it short) and the result of a referendum cannot be legally binding on Parliament or the Government. (About the role of the Queen Idk.)

I have read that every household received a letter stating the results would be ‘binding’ and indeed the MSM and so on said so, and May appeared to inherit and then take on as her own that promise (nothing obliged her to do so beyond pandering to elements in ‘her’ Party - imho keeping the Party together and viable was one of her aims, like, just pragmatic politickin’ - it failed.)

This was a dirty trick on the people, the voters. Absolutely shameless. The result could not be binding, was not binding, and three years later can be seen as non-binding as nothing has happened! Plus, it may never be implemented at all and/or Remain will take the upper hand in some way.

Meanwhile, it has plunged the UK into screams of betrayal, and ugly divisiveness, effectively sucking energy away from tackling desperate problems (energy, Tory austerity, hunger, NHS, etc.) - sometimes I think that is the core concealed function of the Brexit mess.

Then I groan, and think, nah — just ignorance, stupidity, result, total incompetence. A political class caught in an ersatz frothy oh-so-rewarding tribal-belonging bubble - none of whom even have the wits! to hold onto their considerable power! Tories and Labour both! - Incredible.

The entire political class deserves to be thrown out asap.

Someone should get working on that.

(I am anti-EU and anti-Euro. In Switz.)

Posted by: Noirette | May 26 2019 13:06 utc | 77

When you combine America's antiquated winner-take-all Presidential system with the impossible barriers to entry erected by the Quigley party duopoly, it's amazing Trump has managed to deliver what he has.

Imagine a leader who enjoys the broad support of his party. What a continental novelty! Farage and the Brexit Party are Trump minus the back-stabbing RINOs.

Also, if you want a palpable litmus for how quickly the People sprint for the door of this Authoritarian System when a crack of sunlight pokes through, look no further than the Brexit Party, all of SIX WEEKS OLD and commanding what looks like 32% of the British electorate.

What an astounding achievement and so patently embarrassing to the 'venerable' party dinosaurs. As Chuck Schumer is known to whisper off-mic, we have six ways from Sunday of thwarting self-determination in America.

British Conservative Party (founded 1834)
British Labour Party (founded 1920)

Meanwhile Perma-drunk EC President Jean-Claude Juncker is far blunter even though his breath stinks: "These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries." There's a lot to be said for shit-faced leaders. Just don't get stuck paying Juncker's tab.

Posted by: Full Spectrum Domino | May 26 2019 23:32 utc | 78

The Tories at 11 percent! Thanks to Farage (and May).
But what exactly does he offer for the Good Friday agreement between Ulster and Eire? Does he want to dump the Unionists or he wants to reigniate civil war there?

Posted by: Mina | May 27 2019 8:57 utc | 79

Tories rather at 9.1% according the Guardian's results of the Euro elections, Mina. A very satisfying crash, and one they may not get out of, as they've left the centre ground. For Labour not so serious at 14.1 - they have these Corbynistic excursions into leftism from time to time. For the Tories to go into extremism is unheard of.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 27 2019 12:32 utc | 80

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