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April 20, 2019
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2019-23

Note: Your host is traveling and visiting family. Posting throughout Easter will be light.

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

The piece and issue was picked up by several other blogs and outlets:

No children or ducks harmed by novichok, say health officials – Guardian

Wiltshire council clarification follows claims Donald Trump was shown images to contrary

New York Times Accidentally Unravels UK Government's Official Skripal Narrative – Sputnik
The Official Skripal Story is a Dead Duck – Craig Murray
Trump in Dumps as Spook Picks Sick Kids’n’Dead Duck Trick Pics – The Blogmire
Wie Großbritannien und CIA Donald Trump gegen Russland manipulierten – RT Deutsch
Hospitalized children & dead ducks? The ‘official’ Skripal narrative goes completely quackers – RT English

  • April 18 – First Thoughts On The Mueller Report Release
  • Still reading it. Mueller left out many important issues. The genesis of Russiagate is missing from the report as is any word on the falsehoods in the Steele dossier. The DNC "hack" is taken as fact even though the allegation of Russian involvement is solely based on the word of Crowdstrike, a company with well known anti-Russian bias hired by the DNC.

See also: Ten post-Mueller questions that could turn the tables on Russia collusion investigators – The Hill
and Interview with George Papadopoulos (audio) – Michael Tracey


A handy reference to counter the dozens of smears against Julian Assange:

Debunking All The Assange Smears – Caitlin Johnstone

Syria:

The war isn't over. Over the last days Syrian troops were attacked by ISIS remnants in desert and by Al-Qaeda fighters around Idleb. Dozens of soldiers died. There is also a fuel scarcety as U.S. sanctions interrupted oil and fuel supplies from Iran.

Two pieces on how the U.S. and its allies nurtured al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria:

A Brief History of the Destruction of Yarmouk Palestinian Refugee Camp in Syria – William Van Wagenen
EXCLUSIVE: How CIA & allies helped jihadists in Syria – Interview with Maxime Chaix (Recommended)

Maxime Chaix, an expert on clandestine operations, intelligence and US foreign policy, is a journalist and regular contributor to GlobalGeoNews.com. He has written La guerre de l’ombre en Syrie (The Shadow War in Syria, published in French by Éditions Erick Bonnier), a shocker of a book in which he reveals insightful information on the support which several Western intelligence services provided to jihadist militias in Syria, starting with the CIA. His investigation reveals a multi-faceted state scandal and points out the murky game played by the Western powers and their Middle Eastern allies in the Levant.

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Happy Easter to all, religious and non relgious, those who are meeting family or travelling, or simply alone, relaxing….
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Posted by: Sasha | Apr 21 2019 19:10 utc | 101

Schmoe #4
Why is Moscow not allowing Assad “more than 1/3″ representation? Who are the other 2 parties? Kurds I would guess, and then Sunni Arabs? Why isn’t Assad deemed a Russian ally?
” that Moscow compelled Damascus to “compromise” on by agreeing to only have a 1/3 representation in.”
The constitutional committee that is being talked about is supposed to include 50 individuals chosen by the Syrian government, 50 chosen by the “Syrian opposition” and 50 chosen by the UN.
That’s all I know for sure. There is obviously a question about what this means. It would seem that “Syrian opposition” would include the opposition parties that Russia invited to the Sochi Syrian National Dialogue Congress of early 2018, which include representatives of groups that were previously in armed conflict with the government, and with some spots reserved for representatives of such groups who had been invited but refused to participate in the negotiations at that time (this I remember was reported at the time).
My understanding is that Kurds were also represented in some way, though I recall that there was some dispute between Astana partners Russia and Turkey regarding the manner of their representation.
One question I’ve long had is regarding Syrian reformers who sided with the government against the extreme sectarianism of the rebel groups. This doesn’t mean they don’t also want serious changes. If on the one hand the UN is under extreme pressure to stack the final third of the committee with those who will help the West’s regime-change agenda (which seems very likely), wouldn’t that given additional reason for the Syrian government to keep its own allotment narrowly pro-government (i.e. excluding moderate opposition). For its part, will the “Syrian opposition”, want to dilute its contingent with moderates who were always against foreign intervention and never took up arms against the state, for example?
I have a lot of questions myself, but I can see why the Syrian government might view this arrangement with skepticism.

Posted by: Norumbega | Apr 21 2019 19:24 utc | 102

Pranksters Trick Kosovo ‘PM’ Into Wishing ‘Vovan Lexusov’ Luck in Ukraine Vote
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201904211074326944-kosovo-politician-prank-call-from-vovan-lexus/
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4pbiDWWsAELGev.jpg

Posted by: John Doe | Apr 21 2019 19:43 utc | 103

How Donald Trump is Expanding the US Empire
Any corner of the globe we look to, we see that Trump is indeed expanding the US empire’s influence and operations––he has ratcheted up, with new fire and veracity, covert and overt regime change operations; expansion of military bases, massive increases in bombings and civilian casualties, and belligerent escalations that put us on the brink of catastrophic war on multiple fronts.

Posted by: John Doe | Apr 21 2019 19:46 utc | 104

donkeytale says:
blah, blah, blah…reconquest of Syria by Assad’s tinpot army…blah, blah, blah…
yeah, last i heard about 200,000 of those tinpot soldiers have given their lives to reconquer their homeland.
tinpot nonny mouse commentators?
at a dime a dozen, they’re thriving.

Posted by: john | Apr 21 2019 20:16 utc | 105

I finally finished reading William Van Wagenen’s study this morning, after reading chunks of it for the past three weekends – the latest in his series of in depth reports on issues of the Syrian war for the Libertarian Institute and previously on his blog, Pissing Outside the Tent.
A supplementary reference is his interview with Scott Horton: https://libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/4-12-19-william-van-wagenen-on-the-destruction-of-yarmouk/
Van Wagenen’s earlier wide-ranging interview about how he came to his libertarian socialist and anti-interventionist outlook within Mormonism, how his experiences as a humanitarian volunteer in Iraq further shaped his worldview is also very interesting, and moving: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/mormon-stories-95-96-the-mormon-worker-with-william-vanwagenen/

Posted by: Norumbega | Apr 22 2019 0:36 utc | 106

The Us Liberace grifter is floating a Deal of the Century to Palestine….sigh

CAIRO, April 21 (Xinhua) — Arab foreign ministers said on Sunday that their states will not accept any deal related to the Palestinian cause that does not conform with the international references.
“Arab states … cannot accept any plan or deal that does not conform with the international references,” Arab foreign ministers said in a joint statement following their meeting at the Arab League headquarters in Cairo.
The statement signals Arab rejection of what is referred to as the Deal of the Century, which is proposed by the United States to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Jason Greenblatt, U.S. President Donald Trump’s envoy for international negotiations, has recently hinted that Washington’s peace plan would not include a two-state solution.
“Such a deal will not succeed in achieving lasting and comprehensive peace in the Middle East if it does not meet the legitimate rights of the struggling Palestinian people,” the joint statement said.
The council of Arab foreign ministers also called on the international community to implement the UN Security Council Resolution 2334 against Israeli settlement expansion and to protect the Palestinian civilians.
The Arab senior diplomats reaffirmed the commitment of their states to financially support the Palestinian budget.
They were also committed to implementing the recent Arab summit’s decision to provide a financial safety net of 100 million U.S. dollars monthly “in support of the state of Palestine to face the political and financial pressures it goes through.”
Israel has recently cut more than 138 million dollars of the Palestinian tax revenues that it collects and transfers to the Palestinian Authority, which is in charge of running the Palestinian affairs.
During the meeting, Arab League Secretary-General Ahmed Aboul-Gheit urged Arab confrontation to Israeli “unprecedented” attempts to “liquidate” the Palestinian cause.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who attended the Arab meeting in Cairo, described the current challenges facing the Palestinians as “the most dangerous in the history of the Palestinian cause.”
The decades-long Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been going on since the Western-backed creation of Israel by occupying Palestinian territories in 1948.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2019 1:36 utc | 107

While the yellow vest protests in France continue to shrink there may be forming a potentially broader group spanning a larger geographic.
Climate group Extinction Rebellion (XR) appears to be growing in media coverage if nothing else. I looked at the Wiki site about them and it seems mostly EU focused and London specifically at this moment….they say they are going to bring London to a standstill and they seem to be gaining momentum to do so over the past few days….GRIN
Don’t you love the smell of evolution in the spring!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2019 2:30 utc | 108

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21, 2019 9:36:03 PM | 107
(The US Liberace grifter is floating a Deal of the Century to Palestine….sigh)
Why not Yippeee!(?)
This is the first time in 70+ years that the arabs have even talked about uniting against the policies of the Jewish social-engineering experiment in Palestine.
Imo, if Trump hadn’t ‘given’ greedy crank Bibi two things which weren’t his to give, and cut US ‘aid’ to the Palestinians, none of this would be happening.
Imo, most of Trump’s deranged critics have never been in charge of ANYTHING (for embarrassingly obvious reasons).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 22 2019 4:26 utc | 109

@ Hoarsewhisperer who asks me why not Yipeee!
I agree that Trump is putting forth the clearest face of empire in the past 70+ years but I find it quite smarmy. Back during the (s)election process I favored him over Clinton because I saw him bringing things to a head like he is doing but I could never vote for him as a human being.
Yes, the old order is changing and I am all for that. But do you want to live under a Trump reign? By that I mean that the world of global private finance stays in control/possession of what remains of the West after this realignment and threatens the rest of the world with the Debt Monster. Trump is a soldier for those that own global private finance just like Clinton, but projects a different ……style
I am offended by Trump as a human male and don’t understand how some, like I believe yourself, think that Trump is acting in some manner that has greater humanity’s best interest over his own, consciously. He is playing his ugly part very well because he was inculcated by his father to project that patriarchal/capitalistic/superior than others diseased mentality……..He eats fast food because he thinks it is good for him….think about that. He is a very hurt bully that society needs to stop glorifying examples of, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2019 5:32 utc | 110


I am offended by Trump as a human male and don’t understand how some, like I believe yourself, think that Trump is acting in some manner that has greater humanity’s best interest over his own, consciously. He is playing his ugly part very well because he…

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22, 2019 1:32:05 AM | 110

Post 9/11 The Swamp’s irrational blood lust and insanity were getting worse and the world needed rescuing from its war-mongering (and fiscal) predators. And along came Trump with a promise and a purported plan to “put a stop to it. Simple as that.”
Wishing for a Knight to rescue us from the most evil and united scum in the history of the world and then quibbling with the glossiness of his armour, and the unconventional nature of his ‘ugly’ methods, smacks of helpless ingratitude. Anyone who expected his plan to be ‘pretty’ ‘clean’ or ‘nice’ has forgotten the nature, and size, of the Enemy.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 22 2019 6:45 utc | 111

@DontBelieveEitherPropaganda #1 and follow-up comments
A lot of that is obvious, but:
(The Elephant In The Room).
Russia has not “abandoned” Syria and continues military assistance and has its men wounded and killed there. Fuel shortages in a war with its consequences (destroyed infrastructure, loss of some of the oil-rich territory) is not exactly unexpected.
(Economic Excuse). Russia follows capitalist model and is under sanctions and in at least two de-facto wars. Why should it prioritize helping ordinary Syrians to helping ordinary Russians (Ukrainians, Belorussians, Armenians, etc)? Where resources for such help are supposed to come from? -Oil income of Russia is halved by oil prices and in any case is by far is dwarfed by combined wealth of the West. There is no ideological reason for such help either, as there is no adopted ideology.
(Anti-)Constitutional Demands
Positions of Russia are not antagonistic to the West, and it is trying to blend in. On Syria, Russia follows Geneva, as well as Astana. Trying to resolve this by international negotiations, it becomes untenable to satisfy everything that Syrian government wants. No “unprecedentedly humiliating diplomatic defeat” took place –nobody will ever get everything they want in such negotiations
The Messenger
It is correct that the last Putin -Assad phone call was in Sept 2018, after the Russian plane was shot by ‘friendly fire’ of Syrian defenses. But those calls were infrequent before that, and happened around major events; there were no such major events recently. Regarding “President Putin is so angry..”, this is probably again something happening more in the blog-space than in reality. However, there are two versions of the event, one blaming Israeli planes, another saying that those planes left an hour before the accident. While the official and media position of Russia is to blame Israeli planes, the real situation can be determined, and it may be less flattering than the one officially presented. However, as in the case of Turkey shooting a Russian plane (the latter intentionally), those incidents do not change course of events in major irreversible ways.

Posted by: Don Karlos | Apr 22 2019 7:52 utc | 112

Courageous people in Sudan, Morocco, Algeria, do not want yet another submissive Ramadan
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-48006015
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-48008463
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-47927296
(none of these in the French media)

Posted by: Mina | Apr 22 2019 7:53 utc | 113

A journalist in custody since Saturday after he had been first shot at by the police, and then had the bad idea to ask for who was in charge, before being assaulted and arrested…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPCI8efD1IA

Posted by: Mina | Apr 22 2019 10:58 utc | 114

karlof1@91
Thanks and Happy Easter!
Reverend Dr. Liz Theoharis, and New Testament expert Dr. Aliou Niang also give very lucid talks in less ‘technical’ terms about their work with the poor and how economics should tie in more with religion. Aliou talks about his native Senegal where rice was considered a spiritual crop and there was a mutuality in how it was grown such that most had some. He talks about how this was destroyed when the French came in and changed it into a competitive cash crop.
MH comes back on about 1:12 (he talks for about the first 35 minutes) and talks about how the Statue of Liberty holding up a torch is supposed to represent debt cancellation but that the US is just the opposite, destroying countries that don’t pay their debts.

Posted by: financial matters | Apr 22 2019 12:00 utc | 115

Mina
So funny that the arrest occurs at a place with retail signage for:

WALL STREET ENGLISH
and
GRAND OPTICAL:

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 22 2019 12:27 utc | 116

james
Korybko’s story hasn’t been factually debunked anywhere that I can see. This story may also reflect your your unwillingness to consider that you might be wrong in your beliefs. And by extension, you might prefer being wrong among a friendly crowd of fellows rather than being righteous.
You are either for fascism or against it.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 22 2019 12:37 utc | 117

John
The blah blah blah part of your quoting me is the part (98% of the comment) you can’t refute.
As for your soldier worship, what of the 100,000+ deaths of civilians at the hands of Syrian government forces, many of them children? What of the millions displaced?
Oh wait. They were all terrorists of course. How foolish of me.
Since Assad has ended as Putin’s puppet anyway and the Russians are already casting around for a less obnoxious successor wouldn’t it have been much more humane for all involved on both sides of the struggle if the gentle eye doctor and his lovely wife/kids had simply retired in 2011 to a beautiful estate on Black Sea and called it a day on the murderous Assad family legacy?

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 22 2019 12:46 utc | 118

So after May 3rd, the US will be busy attacking everyone buying Iranian oil on top of every company having a business in Cuba? Isn’t it too much on one’s plate?
https://www.rt.com/business/457229-saudi-arabia-to-stabilise-oil-market/

Posted by: Mina | Apr 22 2019 14:01 utc | 119

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 22, 2019 8:37:21 AM | 117

story hasn’t been factually debunked anywhere that I can see.

That a strange conspiracy theory hasn’t been debunked doesn’t mean it’s true. You have to prove they’re true, to be believed.

Posted by: Laguerre | Apr 22 2019 14:25 utc | 120

The Empire’s Beast of Burden runs amok!

Posted by: Hassan | Apr 22 2019 14:45 utc | 121

Is Benjamin Netanyahu about to go rogue in Jerusalem? All the signs are there
This guy who’s a prof of politics in Exeter, Mick Dumper, thinks Netanyahu is about to go over the top, and take over the Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock. It’s not impossible he’s right, but I think he’s too young to have appreciated the depth of feeling on this subject. There’ve been nutty Israeli projects to knock down the Dome of the Rock and rebuild the Temple of Solomon ever since 1967. I particularly remember one mad plan to encase the Dome of the Rock in plastic, and rebuild the Temple over the top.
It’s possible that Netanyahu has gone completely mad, given confidence by the transfer of the capital to Jerusalem, which didn’t have much effect. The problem here of course is religion. A secular capital is neither here or there, just a piece of paper, but religion is much stronger, and likely to provoke the jihadis. The danger is the destabilisation of Jordan, where jihadi-type feeling is very strong, but has been contained. Trump of course doesn’t understand or care anything about this, and may not bother to do anything to back Abdullah up. Regime destabilised, Jordan opened to jihadis, and Israel’s in grave danger, with a 225 mile desert border.
I should think Netanyahu will pull back in the end, and Trump will be convinced by some fake presentation (like the children and the ducks in the Skripal case). Destabilising Jordan would be seriously bad for Israel. But I’m not convinced that Dumper understands these effects. He wrote a book about Jerusalem, and he’s only interested in the local politics.

Posted by: Laguerre | Apr 22 2019 14:55 utc | 122

@117 donkeytale… debunking subjective comments isn’t my style… read@ 112 don karlos ( thanks don) if you want an alternative response, or @120 laguerre ( thanks laguerre) who articulates it differently, but just as aptly…

Posted by: james | Apr 22 2019 15:19 utc | 123

donkeytale: “..As for your soldier worship, what of the 100,000+ deaths of civilians at the hands of Syrian government forces, many of them children? ”
Your libel against Syrian children is tasteless as well as false.
There is plenty of evidence that ‘Syrian government forces’ are uniformly adult and that there are no child soldiers in the SAA.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2019 16:01 utc | 124

Brexit.
Photos, vid clips, longer vids. of May in Brussels, elsewhere EU, always show her alone.
Brexit GB team, 3 brexit-secs. by now, all quit one after the other, and no team to be seen (yes there are nominations one can find lists in the Guardian…)
What did the Brex. ‘team’ want, do, argue for, negotiate, facing whom, with what difficulties, success? No ‘figures’ or ‘news’ of any substance in MSM, nothing much has been published about what these ‘teams’ attempted or accomplished in the last 3 years.
It concerns the British ppl, right? Should be top of the papers? BBC? Pol parties? Noo…
Only vapid discussions about x y z ‘deals’, Norway model, Customs Union, the pesky ‘backstop’, etc. For/against May’s deal, No-deal, etc., were seen.
May’s deal is not a deal, but a Withdrawal Agreement, which lays down the conditions for the UK to exit the EU, with trade-offs, bills due, etc. etc. shape negotiations for the future GB-EU relationship.
580 pp long, a confusing doc. The WA was entirely drafted by the EU – no negotiations of any kind took place, or if yes, were posturing and useless. Nothing of any substance was ever reported, and no secret deals were made (afaik.)
The WA could not be approved by Parliament, horse-trading was never on the table, it was take it or leave it. (Varoufakis has said that only a country defeated in war would sign such a thing. Under gunpoint imho.)
Vid ARTE available to 30 May has eng, germ, subs. 94 mins. Follows Barnier, an observant eye will find much of interest.
https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/078746-000-A/brexit-the-clock-is-ticking/
EU doc explains the WA.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/the_withdrawal_agreement_explained.pdf
Once the ref. results were in practically the whole GB establishmnent shit a brick, yet pretense to honor the ‘ppls vote’ became set in virtuous concrete. (Because of Cameron, miscalc, mis-use of referendum, etc.) May was pushed forward to be the sacrificial dope to run down the clock, which she has admirably managed. Hard-line, ultra-Tories, e.g. ERG, no doubt had / have their motivations and might still prefer a crash-out Brexit, but these ppl are not dull witted, radicalism from top baronesses, capitalists, land-owners, is sketchy, volatile, only driven by temp. self-interest.
The clock will be run down once again, to 31 Oct.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 22 2019 16:35 utc | 125

bevin – thanks for pointing that out and saying that.. i guess i don’t read everything donkey says – for good reason!

Posted by: james | Apr 22 2019 16:41 utc | 126

financial matters @115–
Thanks for providing that brief recap. I think it useful to compare what we now know about the real nature of Judaic and Christian lore thanks to Hudson and his team at the Peabody with the “evangelical Christianity” described by Alastair Crooke in this article. For what Hudson and team have provided completely overthrows the entire basis for such beliefs and render them something far sinister.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 22 2019 16:55 utc | 127

Bevin/James. Pretty sure the donkey was referring to casualties of the SAA not it’s membership.
I would like to see more than just a single source that suggests that the Putin Assad bromance is over, personally.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 22 2019 17:08 utc | 128

Imran Khan visits Iran and the two nations agree to form a joint anti-terror military unit to police their border region, a far more important strategic development than the extension of the Outlaw US Empire’s illegal sanctions aimed at Iranian oil exports. Iran has responded that it will block Straits of Hormuz if its oil shipments harassed. I expect gasoline in USA to break the $4/gal mark by June and further deepen the domestic recession and hurt Trump’s 2020 chances.
It appears that despite objections by hardliners in Iran and Saudi that the Umma is trying to become One again. The sentiments expressed in the above linked thread reflect that growing reality. Outlaw US Empire policy has done what was unthinkable just 18 months ago–foster rapprochement between Iran and GCC/Arab League–particularly Saudi/UAE. The flood relief sent, while modest was another act that wouldn’t have occurred if that flood occurred last year.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 22 2019 17:36 utc | 129

@128 tannenhouser… as for the single source, lets look at the outstanding details… russia is still in syria and helping to assist syria is maintaining it’s independence… this talk of putin-assad bromance is silly talk as i see it..
those responsible for raining hell on syria – primarily the west under the leadership of the usa/uk/israel/ksa and etc – have been responsible for the deaths of many innocent people.. does donkey mention this in his diatribe and keep that as a central tenet of this war on syria? if he did, i didn’t read it… for me the blame goes primarily and firstly to the countries i mention which don’t include syria, russia or iran.. this is why i think donkey comments are carrying water for the empire.. this comment from him @118 sums up imperialist empire building bullshit as i see it – “what of the 100,000+ deaths of civilians at the hands of Syrian government forces, many of them children?” as i see it donkey discredits himself by saying stuff like this without giving it full context.. and, i don’t believe he has ever given this context.. however, i don’t generally read donkeys posts unless they are directly addressed to me.. thanks.

Posted by: james | Apr 22 2019 18:43 utc | 130

If you lack time to read the Russian Embassy in Outlaw US Empire’s 121 page Russiagate report, you’ll find the essence of what it’s actually about though the three citations provided over the three pages following the Table of Contents, with Sergei Lavrov’s remarks being the most comprehensive, with Fulbright’s being the most prescient. (Those who have never read anything by US Senator Fulbright, particularly his 1966 The Arrogance of Power, have missed out on some very important information.) Putin nailed it: “The problem is in US politics.”
The paper is impressive in its scope, organization and depth of detail, and I’m only at page 40. It seems an excellent rebuttal, but I’ll bet it gets completely ignored by the same BigLie Media that pushed Russiagate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 22 2019 19:00 utc | 131

james @130–
The donkey is a troll; sophisticated, yes, but a troll nonetheless. His initial appearance had me snookered awhile, but its nature soon became clear.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 22 2019 19:04 utc | 132

James I don’t disagree,mostly anyways. I just don’t think he meant child soldiers
is all as it would be pretty silly to say such a thing given this would be right at the top of the reasons Assad must go… and it isn’t.
I also don’t think he’s a troll, just a regular person with different world view is all.
Thank you James:)

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 22 2019 19:21 utc | 133

thanks karlof1 and tannenhouser… it’s worth appreciating everyone, in spite of our differences… i find the troll label particularly harsh, but don’t disagree it might be applicable from time to time.. i prefer not to use it as i’ve seen it used on me when i offered a different viewpoint.. in fact, i’ve been banned from a few sites on the basis of this – emptywheel and pat langs site.. it is one of the reasons i admire moa and b for the tolerance given to those on this site and one of the reasons i find sites like pat langs, or emptywheel more like echo chambers then places where alternative views can be expressed and debated.. thanks to both of you for the many fine posts and comments you both make..

Posted by: james | Apr 22 2019 19:31 utc | 134

donkeytale says:
As for your soldier worship, what of the 100,000+ deaths of civilians at the hands of Syrian government forces, many of them children? What of the millions displaced?
regime-change in Syria has been on the books since at least 2006. the gloves came off in 2011. Assad resisted and quite obviously has had the vast majority of his people behind him.
if you think the destruction of his country and the deaths of over half a million people happened because Assad cracked down on a few dissenters, you’re either a fucking moron, or a mealy-mouthed cocksucker.
and, for the record, i don’t think you’re a fucking moron.

Posted by: john | Apr 22 2019 20:04 utc | 135

@James who Says” thanks to both of you for the many fine posts and comments you both make”.. That goes for Karlof1 mostly as he regularly adds to any discussion here; I mostly lurk. My world view is a bit different than most here…not enough to bother arguing about though. Thanks just the same

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 22 2019 20:07 utc | 136

@131 Cont’d–
Finished the very excellent through report about the Russiagate hoax–hoax being too harsh a term apparently as the Russians prefer using “Fake News.” My most singular observation made while reviewing the report was its morphing from partisan D Party accusations to being bipartisan as R Party Never Trump people piled on, and then became mostly D Party at its end except for Pompeo who is the main water carrier for the Hoax within Trump’s administration, which seems to confirm his status as a Deep State agent and provocateur within Trump’s camp. Oddly, Bolton never appears in the report. The “False Claim” vs “Fact” section of the report is its longest and best, IMO. I kept my review to a minimum to encourage others to read it. Sure, 121 pages seems long but the font’s large, and the many links included consume lots of space, too.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 22 2019 20:41 utc | 137

Outstanding journalist Sharmine Narwani interview part 1 with Patrick Lawrence of Salon, “Reporter Sharmine Narwani on the secret history of America’s defeat in Syria”. I’ve provided links to and excerpts of her tweets mostly about Syria but didn’t know much about her background or seen her interviewed. That’s all changed now thanks to this excellent back-and-forth. The 2nd part has yet to be published, but there’s no reason to think it won’t finely complement the first. The following excerpt and the uncited content that follows it is likely to be controversial and generate a few responses; my own is questioning the initial, bolded, premise:
The U.S. was already exiting the Middle East before the so-called ‘Arab uprisings’ kicked off. Whoever in the U.S. national security apparatus made the decision to stick around and redirect these uprisings against regional adversaries made a colossal mistake. I want to write about this one day because it’s important. I believe the Syrian conflict constitutes the main battlefield in a kind of World War III. The world wars were, in essence, great-power wars, after which the global order reshuffled a bit and new global institutions were established.”
Her description of BigLie Media workers is also provocative:
“In short, Western media helped to stage and grow this conflict. I no longer think journalists should be treated with a special kind of immunity when they get a story this wrong, repeatedly, and people die in the process. I prefer to call them ‘media combatants,’ and I think that is a fair and accurate description of the part they play in wars today.”
Enjoy the read!

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 22 2019 22:28 utc | 138

Karlof1 @ 129:
That meeting between the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei and Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan has geopolitical significance, if they discussed the border issue. That means they must have discussed the issue of Balochistan which straddles the border between the two countries. In both Iran and Pakistan, Balochistan is remote from the major urban centres and there is a separatist movement opposed to both Iranian and Pakistani rule. The separatists have targeted Chinese people working on engineering projects in Pakistan and even attacked the Chinese consulate in Karachi.
Significantly the article I linked to states that local people in Balochistan support local parties rather than the separatist movement. An Indian national linked to the separatists was arrested. This is an indication (along with the attacks on Chinese working in the area) that the Balochi separatist movement, like the Uyghur separatist movement in western China and Kurdish separatists in NE Syria, is being supported by the US and its allies in western and southern Asia.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 22 2019 22:48 utc | 139

Donkeytale @ 79, 117:
There is no need to “debunk” what Andrei Korybko says in his Global Research article when it is his own personal interpretation of what has been transpiring recently between Russia and Syria.
The giveaway is his description of Syria’s accidental shoot-down of the Russian military transport plane, after Israeli fighter jets (that had breached Lebanese airspace to attack targets in Latakia, and which were being tailed by Syrian missiles) took refuge in the Ilyushin aircraft’s radar shadow and flew off at the last moment, as a “September spy plane tragedy”.
If Korybko as a professional writer and analyst doesn’t describe the incident correctly and furthermore doesn’t report the actual Russian response to that incident – the Russian response (supplying S-300 missile defence systems to Syria which the Syrians had paid for years before) being exactly what the Israelis had tried to prevent in setting up an incident that they hoped would cause disagreement and conflict between Moscow and Damascus – then all the years he has spent in Moscow cultivating his sources of information seem to have led him down some strange paths.
Any disagreement in Moscow that involved Putin might have actually been between him and Dmitri Shoigu over the delivery of S-300 missile defence systems to Syria.
All MoA readers have to do is Google key terms like “September 2018”, “Russia”, “Syria”, “missile strike” and they will have a super-abundance of information about the Ilyushin shoot-down incident in their greedy little paws.
(The time and resources that the CIA spent on researching potential political opposition to Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi back in the 1970s and delivering a report to President Jimmy Carter saying that the Shah didn’t have much to worry about apart from the small Communist Tudeh party and that the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was content in Paris exile – and then in a couple of years, the Shah is in exile after being overthrown and Khomeini returns to Iran in triumph – come to mind.)

Posted by: Jen | Apr 22 2019 23:25 utc | 140

Two links to the same interview.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51470.htm
https://www.salon.com/2019/04/21/reporter-sharmine-narwani-on-the-secret-history-of-americas-defeat-in-syria/
I think the stuff about Putin not being committed to Assad is a bit overblown. But I won’t excerpt the article/interview by Patrick Lawrence of Sharmine Narwani – who covered the Syrian “civil war” extensively. Suffice it to say that what she brings is a total debunking of the D.C. establishment, Obama, Hillary and MSM spin on what really happened from the beginnings of the uprising. Literally everything I remember reading or hearing even on NPR was either totally untrue or half-baked half-true bullshit.
Highly recommended reading.

Posted by: KC | Apr 23 2019 0:03 utc | 141

@135 John. LoL..
@139 Jen. Yes and this ties in directly to your recent post on the Easter thread about possible motives for the spate of Bombings in Sri Lanka (I opt for option A). The Usual Suspects must be freaking out at an Iran-Pakistan rapprochement, each having crucially important OBOR terminals within their respective regions of Balochistan, Chabahar and Gwadar..
Also, many txs to the poster (sorry I forget who, sacha maybe?) who provided the link for Solzhenitsyn’s opus “200 years together”. A fascinating account (so far) of Tsarist Russia’s ultimately failed attempts at providing the Jewish diaspora of the Pale of Settlement tools for integration..

Posted by: Lozion | Apr 23 2019 0:25 utc | 142

james @130, karlof1 @132
Spot on.
And this Assad smear is just one of many instances of donkey’s attempting to spread disinfo ‘memes’ that we see propagated from time to time. Other examples are his:

– false equivalence between USA, Russia, and China;
– claim that there’s no Cold War;
– arguing that Putin is a Zionist or has some soft spot for Netanyahu;
– strident “dembot” views – like defense of lesser-evil politics – designed to herd people into one of two groups;

Plus there’s donkey’s general disruption and nonsense like his recent attempt to smear me by suggesting that I’m a dishonest, fascist, racist, Trump supporter (yes, really – here’s the link) because I called Sanders a sheepdog – despite the fact that I’ve made a forceful case (many times since May 2017) for Trump’s being illegitimate by virtue of being installed by the Deep State!!
Furthermore, my list of reasons why Sanders is a sheepdog consists of items that are well-known, not disputed, and easily found on the internet.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 23 2019 0:37 utc | 143

America The Beautiful…
Larry, Curly, and Moe announce 10 Million U$D bounty to “Stem Hizballah Financing”
https://fpc.state.gov/291296.htm

Posted by: Desolation Row | Apr 23 2019 0:48 utc | 144

KC @141
I felt this part of the Narwani interview deserves special mention:

Mainstream Western media were absolutely complicit in disseminating disinformation about the Syrian conflict to serve the political agendas of their respective governments…. We are living through an era of full-on information warfare …
[Furthermore] Journalists were not dupes in this conflict. Western journalists covering Syria were, for the most part, believers in the liberal order, U.S. exceptionalism, interventionism — these people are hired because they think that way. They quote their governments’ statements unquestioningly, despite the lies of Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, etc. They are fundamentally uninterested in the legalities of warfare …
A number of Western journalists who dared to probe deeper were sacked, silenced or smeared…
In short, Western media helped to stage and grow this conflict.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 23 2019 0:59 utc | 145

Jen @139–
Thanks for your reply & Happy Easter!
Yes, geopolitical significance in a big way. “Iranian President Declares Joint Border Force With Pakistan”, although specific details are sparse, Also of significance:
“The Iranian president also stressed that the two nations were ‘determined to develop inclusive relations and cooperation without the impact of a third country’.”
The “third country” could refer to Saudi or Outlaw US Empire; I suspect the latter. Development of Balochistan is one of Khan’s stated priorities as employment’s the best antidote to jihadism. Cooperation between Iran and Pakistan is also required to solve Afghanistan and thus remove NATO from the region. As Narnawi suggests, the Syria result has altered the overall balance of power in a way that couldn’t be predicted when it was being planned.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 23 2019 1:06 utc | 146

@ Jackrabbit with the rant about Donkeytale
If one has been at MoA long enough to see the trolls come and go, it is interesting to see who they take on.
In Donkeytale’s case I don’t read all their tripe but it reads like a political troll testing out the waters for Sanders and the rest of the “Apprentice” political hacks on the Dem side of the US fascist coin
Expect the trolling to get worse at MoA because of its reputation. Identity politics and all the “ism”s with Circe leading the parade, will be the future of MoA commentary…..with me banging my drum about private/public finance being the Gordian Knot behind all the proxy battles others see as important.
Pick your battles with the trolls to help keep the worst of the slime at bay, please and thank you

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 23 2019 1:20 utc | 147

karlof1: “the Syria result has altered the overall balance of power in a way that couldn’t be predicted when it was being planned.” YES. This conflict is/was of the UTMOST importance, a truly world war in itself..

Posted by: Lozion | Apr 23 2019 1:20 utc | 148

Yes, bevin @124, thanks very much for the criticism. Well taken and I respect how you taught that lesson.
Let me rephrase the sentence and see if it makes more sense now. I am looking to improve and I know I have a long way to go.
As for your soldier worship, what of the 100,000+ deaths of civilians, many of them children, at the hands of Syrian government forces, ? What of the millions displaced?
I pretty much stand by the thoughts I declared in this thread, especially in my comments to Ben and James @ 117.
You may dislike them. That’s fine. Thank you anyway for helping me think them.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 2:05 utc | 149

That was my comment to Ben @ 75 and James @ 117. I stand behind those.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 2:13 utc | 150

psychohistorian @147
I identified donkeytale as a troll early on based on positions he was taking and his habit of shielding those positions with fluff and misdirection. But the MoA community hates to be too hasty in calling someone a troll and also generally hates to see heated arguments. I think some fell for donkeytale’s engaging writing style.
The fact is, skilled trolls have proven IMPOSSIBLE to control by ignoring them (someone always falls for the bait) and when identified, they exploit community divisions and/or goodwill (some members always fall for the appeal), and when all else fails, they will reform as much as needed … for a time.
IMO The most dangerous trolls want to sow discord and undermine the community (like incessant discussion of Trump vs. Sanders – a full 18 months before the election). They complain that we denizens of alt-media are not tolerant of other views, then they spout mainstream BS but do so in way that is devious and subtle, such as: its not their main point, but their main point is based on it. Some examples: Anti-Assad propaganda that is dressed up as concern for the Syrian people. Concern for the Syrian people because of Putin’s betrayal of them. Etc.
I think we have to do a better job of identifying the most harmful trolls and asking b to remove them sooner rather than later because the dealing with trolls takes a terrible toll on the community in terms of time wasted and lowered participation.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 23 2019 2:32 utc | 151

@ donkeytale who wrote

As for your soldier worship, what of the 100,000+ deaths of civilians, many of them children, at the hands of Syrian government forces, ? What of the millions displaced?
I pretty much stand by the thoughts I declared in this thread, especially in my comments to Ben and James @ 117.

Yes, it is within your right to come to the MoA bar and spout your un-contextualized nonsense about how horrible everyone else but empire may be. Folks here are trying to wake you up to the delusional nature of your fault deflection or otherwise encourage you to frequent another bar. To the extent that you do not seem to be getting the message makes me think you are a paid troll or very immature.
Take your sentence above, add another couple of zeroes to the civilian deaths, change Syria to US and change to billions displaced instead of millions and then we will be starting to talk about the empire host country with the real soldier worship and degenerate history.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 23 2019 2:33 utc | 152

oh yeah and 118 at John. Except for the faulty sentence construction I agree with eveyrthing I stated there.
Someone show me where what I said is wrong.
You are either for fascism or against it.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 2:46 utc | 153

Personally, I don’t think a discourse needs to identify its trolls, but to self-identify when that discourse is being diluted. And then to self-correct by resisting the temptation to add to the distraction. It doesn’t take trolls to dilute the signal, it can be done just as easily by endless bickering.
One could zoom out a little, instead of engaging comment by comment, and monitor signal strength, and choose to refrain from adding to the noise. One could disregard the trivial matter of who is what, and instead focus on adding material value to the discussion.
One could purely face forward, and offer one’s best, and not look back, and not obsess about others. And ignore the distractions, and simply and humbly work on feeding nutrients to the thread.
Within such a practice, trolls would find all their efforts at distraction – and that is what their efforts are aimed at – fruitless.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 23 2019 2:54 utc | 154

Ok donkeytale @ 93 is problematic. F-

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 3:01 utc | 155

@138 karlof1
This question of if the US was already exiting the Middle East before Syria – I’ve seen Ghassan Kadi say the same thing too.
I actually think this is true, and that Narwani’s comment about “whoever in the State Department decided to hang on longer” is real and reflects part of the split in US governance that we often discuss.
Having said that, I see several commentators from the Levant who have a slightly offbeat take on what US intentions are. Magnier even is the same for me – usually I agree with the take, but sometimes I think in the Middle East they give too much sense of unified coherence to the actual schizophrenia of the US today
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As for the Narwani interview, it’s wonderful to see her able to add that context that Lawrence talks about. She’s been dealing with the theme of narrative for a long time, as well as revealing the covert truth underneath the appearances. Her sense of World War III, and this is how it’s being fought, is priceless.
Interested readers may want to see two earlier pieces from Narwani that fit right in with this interview. In one, she supplies the definitive account of the color revolutionary tactics in play in Syria at the very beginning, in 2011:
How narratives killed the Syrian people
In the other, she asks for the resistance axis to recognize the importance of narrative within a very real information war, and to fight back with its own narrative combat:
Axis of Resistance Needs to Make its Narrative Heard: Sharmine Narwani

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 23 2019 3:12 utc | 156

We are trapped in a globally interconnected financial system where the corrupt autocrats at the top have banded together to fuck us over more efficiently than they have already done since time immemorial. The vise grows tighter with each passing day. Whether this is four autocrats acting in concert on all matters, or one going off on his own or different combinations acting and reacting situationally scarcely matters so long as they remain coordinated and in communication.
This is the existential essence of “oligarchy.”
Pretending that one or another autocratic nation state is actually on “our” side is lazy, reactionary and counter productive thinking if your goal in life is to achieve equality for the 99.9%, much less destroy the .01%.
Deferring to one autocrat, or supporting one or constantly apologising for one’s actions…renders you absurd.
You are either for fascism or against it.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 3:23 utc | 157

The agents for the pissant apartheid state own both houses of the US Congress, and have some kind of strange control over the Unhinged POTUS too. But if you think the situation in the US is bad, take a look at Australia.
Melissa Parke incident raises difficult questions about Israel
I’ve never even heard of author Tony Walker before, but after reading this mild criticism of the the local Zionist lynch mobs, I sincerely hope he is secure financially, for the Australian Friends of the Apartheid Jewish state don’t take prisoners.
That woman was crushed for merely supporting an unfortunate group of genuine Semites being brutalized by God’s Favorite People. I’ve not had a chance to really read Solzhenitsyn’s “200 Years Together”, but even a few glances convinced me the Europeans who are ‘returning’ to a fantasy homeland aren’t related to the Jews inhabiting Roman Judea any more than I am. And so far as I know, I’ve got zero Jewish ancestry, same as most all those “returners”.
Brutal thieving thugs, but if you even mention that in Australia, your political career is over.

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Apr 23 2019 3:43 utc | 158

Waht fascism is.
Government control of the individual through corporate control of the government.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 3:50 utc | 159

I will begin with an apology to b for what he may consider to be a long re-post but I think it talks to a point that is being overlooked.
The article

BEIJING, April 22 (Xinhua) — Xi Jinping, general secretary of the Communist Party of China Central Committee, on Monday stressed targeted efforts to improve weak links in building a “moderately prosperous society in all respects.”
Xi, also Chinese president and chairman of the Central Military Commission, made the remarks at the fourth meeting of the Central Committee for Financial and Economic Affairs. He is also head of the committee.
While addressing the meeting, Xi said the country had achieved “decisive progress” in building a moderately prosperous society in all respects. However, there remain weak areas that should be faced squarely and dealt with targeted efforts.
Xi also called for courage and wisdom to tackle problems and good implementation of the decisions taken at the central economic work conference.
The meeting was also attended by other Party and state leaders, including Li Keqiang, Wang Yang, Wang Huning, and Han Zheng. The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), the National Bureau of Statistics, the Ministry of Ecology and Environment, the State Council Leading Group Office of Poverty Alleviation and Development and other related organizations briefed the meeting attendees about their work on improving weak links in building a moderately prosperous society in all respects.
The NDRC, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, the Ministry of Finance, the People’s Bank of China and other relevant departments reported to the meeting attendees regarding the implementation of decisions taken at the central economic work conference.
Building a moderately prosperous society in all respects is a target to be completed by 2020.
Poverty alleviation efforts should be focused on areas that are trapped in deep poverty. On top of making sure that people in these areas are kept warm and fed, more efforts should be made to ensure that they are covered by compulsory education, basic medical care and safe housing, the meeting said.
The meeting also urged efforts to tackle prominent problems that pollute the environment in key areas, advance the work on public wellbeing by increasing input in compulsory education, basic medical care, safe housing and drinking water, as well as child and elder care.
The meeting also stressed the improvement of the subsistence allowances system.
Efforts should be made to expand supply-side structural reform, make micro-entities more dynamic, and upgrade the industrial chain.
The meeting pointed out that it is necessary to strengthen regulation of countercyclical macro policy and strive to put tax cuts and fee reduction in place as soon as possible.
Monetary policies should not be too loose or too tight, and should be pre-tuned and fine-tuned in a timely manner in accordance with economic growth and consumer price changes, so as to increase financial support for real economy.
Greater efforts should be made to improve business environment, accelerate the upgrading of the economic structure, improve capabilities to innovate in science and technology, and speed up green development, said the meeting.

My point is that this activity that is reported to be occurring in China is something you would expect of a mature, well intentioned society. Contrast that with, not only the fact that this process does not exist in public in the West, the budget intentions of the US and other Western nations.
China is offering a better deal now and nations are tripping all over themselves to join a multi-polar world. The US default will happen before the 2020 election, I predict. Just like asking why would you want to own Boeing stock now, why would you want to invest your country’s hard earned foreign exchange funds in a win/lose environment now when a win/win one is available?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 23 2019 3:58 utc | 160

@ donkeytale #118

Since Assad has ended as Putin’s puppet anyway and the Russians are already casting around for a less obnoxious successor wouldn’t it have been much more humane for all involved on both sides of the struggle if the gentle eye doctor and his lovely wife/kids had simply retired in 2011 to a beautiful estate on Black Sea and called it a day on the murderous Assad family legacy?

Question: is this some sarcasm which is over my head, or are you seriously suggesting the Syrian Government ought to have surrendered back in 2011?

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Apr 23 2019 3:58 utc | 161

i would like to re-recommend the article karlof1 shared @138 again here … the one poster who would benefit the most from reading this is donkeytale..

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2019 4:05 utc | 162

I am back with a link now about China and take away quotes as reading incentive
Commentary: Supply-side reform enhances resilience of Chinese economy
The take away quotes

To revive confidence and boost business activity, China announced a set of stimulus measures. Different from previous stimulus packages, the government did not rush to inject fresh liquidity into the economy. Instead, structural reform measures such as deleveraging, credit loosening and tax cuts were taken, mainly targeting the private sector.


The supply-side reform has produced positive results, which were reflected in China’s better-than-expected economic performance in the first quarter. Industrial production and retail sales have posted faster-than-expected growth in March. It shows the supply-side reform has generated self-sustained recovery of the economy.
The end goal of supply-side reform is to improve the efficiency of resource use and promote economic growth. When good resources go to the right places, greater benefits will be generated.

This is what happens when your finance folks focus on social good instead of profit.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 23 2019 4:09 utc | 163

Zachary –
Serious.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 4:13 utc | 164

My caveat is that Russia is instrumental in facilitating the successor to Assad.
Of course I’m not sure that was possible in 2011.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 4:16 utc | 165

Buttigieg is an asshat for throwing shade on Bernie Sanders. Sanders is miles ahead of Buttgeek. He’s an empty suit without a jacket hiding his policy! He thinks he’s cool and different without a jacket. Insread, he looks like a baby-faced high-schooler. Truth is he’s more centrist, establishment and hawkish than even Obama! Then the Zionist media gatekeepers are gushing all over Buttgeek like he’s the second coming and just like they did with Hillary. They’re trying to make that preppy, privileged, political-neophyte gay the nominee because there is no chance in hell Buttgeek can beat that bastard pussygrabbing Trump, and we all know Trump is the Zionist chosen one.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 23 2019 4:34 utc | 166

See, I don’t buy the “new cold war” theory for one second. This is kabuki.
There are benefits to a globalist oligarchy controlling the world, working in concert, no one steps too far out of line.
Those benefits come with a very great cost to the rest of us who aren’t blessed with globalist oligarch membership.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 4:58 utc | 167

2 Circe #166
In my opinion Buttigieg is in the race for two reasons. With all the “elevation” of him being done by the Corporate (Zionist) Media, he is likely to pick up a lot of delegates to take with him to the convention. It still seems a safe assumption Biden will jump into the race. Unless he collapses early, he will accumulate some delegates, and maybe a lot of them. Booker. Harris. The smaller fry. Add all those up, and then toss in the Superdelegates, and we may have a Democratic Candidate who isn’t named Bernie Sanders. Buttigieg will earn a LOT of brownie points if he plays ball, and this will lead him to what I believe is his primary goal – Senator For Life from Indiana. (Same as what I think Pence had in mind in 2016)
Candidate Harris/Booker/Biden/whoever will be perfectly acceptable to Big Bankers & and Big AIPAC and Big Everything Else if they win. Trump being swept back into office works well for these folks too.
If some strange things happen and Mayor Pete becomes the candidate, I believe I can guarantee he will not move into the White House. All too many people will decide because he combines the warmongering-for-Israel Hillary made famous, the Domestic Genius of Obama, and is married to a man, Trump suddenly doesn’t look all that bad after all. So again, at the present time I see the man as part of a larger strategy of gathering enough delegates to enable the holders of the Superdelegates to have their way.

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Apr 23 2019 5:13 utc | 168

psycho @ 163
China enacting GOP-style economic “reforms” is positive? How is that?

To revive confidence and boost business activity, China announced a set of stimulus measures. Different from previous stimulus packages, the government did not rush to inject fresh liquidity into the economy. Instead, structural reform measures such as deleveraging, credit loosening and tax cuts were taken, mainly targeting the private sector.

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 6:02 utc | 169

I’ll admit I’m bothered by the spate of things I’ve seen recently on the theme of You Should Not Fight Back when attacked. I’m linking this next piece as a demonstration of what I’m talking about. I most certainly don’t endorse very much of the author’s pompous moralizing.
Awful essay at The Unz Review

Defenders of orthodox Holocaust history claim that holocaust revisionists conceal their shameful sympathy with Nazis who killed six million Jews.

We soon learn Hitler didn’t kill all that many Jews, at least when compared with the Allied Atrocities.

The real Holocaust, of course, was the war itself. 70 million people were massacred, two thirds of them civilians. Those nearly 50 million civilians were singled out for extermination on the basis of their ethnicity, just as surely as a vastly smaller number of Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs may have been by the Reich. When the Allies firebombed Dresden, which was not a military target, more than 100,000 innocent civilians were deliberately burned to death for the crime of being German. Centuries of German cultural achievement, too, went up in flames. Now that is a real holocaust: a gratuitous burnt offering.
And Dresden is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Anyone who honestly explores the history of the deliberate Allied firebombings of civilians, the respective treatment of prisoners by both sides, the atrocities against Germans during the invasion and occupation of their homeland, the firebombings and nuclear bombings of Japanese civilians, the brutal torture that elicited false confessions from “Nazi war criminals,” and so much more, will inevitably conclude that, as Pogo might say, “We have met the Nazis and they are us.”

Centuries of German cultural achievement! Never mind how the Highly Culured Aryan Supermen firebombed Warsaw, London, and other cities. Never mind that Hitler’s Enlightened Ones sent V-1 cruise missiles and V-2 ballistic missiles towards London and Anthwerp where they killed many thousands of civilians with indiscriminate terror attacks. Barbarism provokes the same barbaric response, and when enraged people saw a chance at payback, it didn’t much matter that Dresden and Hamburg were militarily senseless.
There are whole books about how the Allies murdered German POWs by the millions. No they didn’t, but the reverse case sure happened. But see how Hitler’s Unz apologist equated a few thousand inadvertent German POW deaths with millions of deliberate Soviet ones.
Same thing for the Emperor’s Shinto Warriors. Casual mass murder in Nanking – the numbers of dead bodies were somewhere between 40,000 and 200,000. The Japanese started the firebombings in the Pacific with their attacks in China. Tens of thousands of humans were fried in Chongqing. Not a lot of sympathy for them later when it was their turn to look up and see the incendiary bombs raining down. Not unless you completely ignore who started it.
After the Doolittle raid, over a quarter million Chinese were murdered. But in politically correct yak-yak, Hiroshima erases ALL mention of that.
The US tries to continue the fine tradition of smashing Muslim nations unfriendly to the apartheid Jewish state. Iraq. Libya. Syria. But those damned Syrians were successful in fighting back, and that’s just inexcusable!
If they had properly and rightfully surrendered in 2011 Holy Israel would now own the southern part of that former state, and would be in the last stages of increasing the Israeli Empire’s borders into the best watered parts of Lebanon.
Just the way Yahweh intended. And after Lebanon we would soon be seeing giant Hebrew messages in the clouds (and in the NYT & WP) saying “On To Iran.”

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Apr 23 2019 6:12 utc | 170

I don’t want to deliberately ignore good suggestions given so far in the thread but as far as I know the Russian plane was an electronic intelligence plane which while imprecise can be called a “spy plane” but certainly not a transport plane. It is a minor quibble and does not mean anything for or against anything on its own when it comes to the writing being criticized but for the actual event it means a lot what kind of plane it actually was: it’s the difference between a sitting (and lame) duck being thrown through the air and a feisty electric dragon ready to rampage from beyond the horizon in every direction and across to the other 😀
People often seem to think these kinds of planes are like some airborne 2nd World War ramshackle snooping station with a hand-cranked dynamo or two and a set of crystal radios tuning into frequencies at a guess and they’re not X)
MoA has lots of reading on the topic, no need to search and certainly not using Google (CIA, NSA, and the rest), use any alternatives like duckduckgo.com (html version if you disallow ECMA/JavaScript) or startpage.com or searx.me most of which will include Google and Bing results or go Russian or Chinese 🙂
Personally I often use Wikipedia as an improvised “search engine” when I know what I’m looking for but beware that it’s merely a reference work and not at all a truth arbiter and the selection of sources it uses to build its reference can be severely lacking or skewed.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 23 2019 6:14 utc | 171

Good work team. Happy Easter.

Posted by: jonku | Apr 23 2019 6:20 utc | 172

Elijah Magnier has posted an absolutely brilliant article on the Notre Dame fire on his website. A devastatingly penetrating comment on our times.
What does the fire of Notre-Dame mean?
The article is by Dominique Muselet. Frech speakers might prefer the French version, presumably the original (the English translation is a little “quaint” but very clearly understandable).

Posted by: BM | Apr 23 2019 6:25 utc | 173

SR Burger @ 171
Yes you are correct. LMAO. Good one

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 7:10 utc | 174

Sunny Runny Burger @ 171:
I have just checked my sources, you are correct, the plane that was brought down was an Ilyushin Il-20 electronic intelligence surveillance plane carrying 15 crewmen.
Apologies to everyone for my oversight.
The rest of my criticism of Korybko’s interpretation of the Russian response to the shoot-down still stands.
Donkeytale @ 174: Yeah right, leave it to SRB to do the hard work and laugh.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 23 2019 7:51 utc | 175

Jen
OK you got me again…Lol

Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 23 2019 8:06 utc | 176

@115 financial matters
The U.S. doesn’t necessarily destroy countries that don’t pay their debts. The U.S. is always in debt. The U.S. exercises financial tyranny and collective punishment via that kind of tyranny to get regime change, and when that doesn’t work it starts to threaten military force to achieve that result. The U.S. also destroys the economies of other countries to pump up it’s own fake financial superiority and exercises financial control to keep its vassals in line with the agenda and the narrative.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 23 2019 11:53 utc | 177

Donkeytale,
I have to agree with Zachary on Assad just surrendering and going into exile in 2011. If anything, you should blame Israel trying to subjugate and control, Shia, Shia friendly, and in Syria’s case, Alawite demographics in the Middle East, and I’ll even include the Muslim Brotherhood which is not Shia. Also blame the British and the French before them for creating borders that forced doomed demographic marriages. Zionists view the Muslims I referred to as resisters to their dominance, and the greatest threat to their expansionism and influence in the region. Therefore the root of the reason for war starts with that exercise in tyranny by Zionists for control. Zionists are the match that sets fires in the Middle East. They are the arsonists. If anything, blame them.
Zachary, regarding your comments on WWII. WWII started for the same reason: CONTROL. However, you have to ask the question: Who was controlling and trying to control at the very start? Let’s remember in the case of Germany how devastated it was after WWI. Germany was being subjugated after that war. As far as Japan is concerned, there too the issue of control by the U.S. is a factor and question. Although, so was Japan’s control issue with China. Control should be exercised over what one legitimately owns and only as protection from incursion.
No doubt war is devastating for civilians on all sides. That’s why I’m opposed to war, however, sometimes the victims of control machinations are dragged into it. That’s why the world should be multi-polar, and in today’s reality, veto power at the UNSC should be extended beyond the 5. Today U.S./Zionist-owned vassals unfairly tip the scales. Even Russia with its heavy Zionist oligarch influence can’t always be trusted with its vote and even abstention. There is no balance. There is too much control by one side and that is a recipe for disaster. International law is disregarded in all directions, especially by the U.S. and Israel. Peace comes with balance not war and control.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 23 2019 13:18 utc | 178

Ref Ukraine
https://www.rt.com/news/457321-kolomoisky-zelensky-ukraine-oligarch-puppet/

Posted by: Mina | Apr 23 2019 13:19 utc | 179

Some of the sparring on this thread has brought to my mind the strange, long dead, columnist Michael Wharton, many of whose opinions might be described as “anarcho-conservative”, if such a thing exists. In his autobiography he writes about the correspondence he receives from his readers:
“Another class of readers, and among the most numerous and tireless correspondents, were the cranks and adherents of “conspiracy theories”, who as time went on found plenty of material in my column to encourage them to think I would be sympathetic. To some extent I was. It is not difficult to believe that the world is shaped by secret influences which move it ineluctably in a certain direction; how else to account for what has happened in two world wars and all that has flowed from them: the destruction of Europe, the end of the British Empire, the predominance of the United States, the establishment of the State of Israel and its key role in the world; the power of credit or imaginary money…..”
This was put on paper about 40 years ago. He would be horrified by the world today.

Posted by: Montreal | Apr 23 2019 14:41 utc | 180

Montreal @181: He would be horrified by the world today.
If I may complete that thought:
The elite were always secretive but now a wider number of people know this and communicate this in real time. So they have taken steps to counter-act this with propaganda and psyops that weave false narratives and pit us against each other.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 23 2019 14:47 utc | 181

Don’t worry about it Jen, I should be the last to complain about forgetting anything. People were talking about not getting hung up in small stuff (and in the context it was) but I couldn’t. No hard work in this case 🙂
I think Donkeytale didn’t mean for his laughter to be misunderstood as being against anyone (and maybe I made things worse by comparing ducks and dragons). Anyone can have a bad day or week, or a day where no one gets what you meant. Luckily we can all also have days when we realize this can be the case for others and oneself.
Control:
I agree a lot with what Circe said. The idea of forcing control upon someone or something is common to maybe all human or societal problems, at least at extreme levels of control and imbalance like Circe said. But more control is always tempting because those who already have more control than usual (real or imagined, eg.: politicians etc.) identify it as the reason for solving pretty much any issues and because of that they can always think of a reason for more control: it becomes its own reason in their eyes despite increasingly becoming an illusion (or simply blunt “force” or war and not “control” as such) the more absolute or extreme it tries to be.
Difficult topic, easy to stumble on ones own thoughts.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 23 2019 14:58 utc | 182

donkeytale
Tell us more about why you support the BDS Movement.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 23 2019 16:08 utc | 183

@ Circe #179

Let’s remember in the case of Germany how devastated it was after WWI. Germany was being subjugated after that war.

If you check reliable history books you’ll find WW1 was not fought on German soil, so it was essentially untouched in terms of infrastructure damage. This is quite unlike what happened to its neighbors. Northern France in particular was where most of the fighting happened in the west, and to this day farmers still die when they encounter the 100-year-old munitions. Worse than that, at the very end of the war when it was clear Germany had lost, that nation began destroying everything which remained in the area of France it had occupied since the start of the war. Mine were flooded, and everything was just wrecked, for Germany knew there would be another round.
Germany “subjugated”? That’s what happened after WW2, and we’ve had a peaceful nation there since then. Because it Did Not happen after WW1, Germany made the fastest recovery of all the warring nations. For “reparations” it gave away old junk laying around, and I’ve read it even counted the German naval ships given to the British as “reparations”. Even then Germany cheated, for it scuttled those ships when they arrived at Scapa Flow. Germany destroyed its internal war debts with the hyperinflation it engineered. It also destroyed the middle class there, and left the nation ripe for the rise of a Hitler type “savior”. Gullible westerners bought into the notion that hyperinflation was on account of the crushing reparations which Germany never paid out. What small sums did get paid generally came from US loans. With the flood of US money Germany swiftly built new trains, planes, and factories. Were the greedy US bankers so generous with their own Allies? Hell, no – they wanted every dime of those WW1 loans repaid!
When Hitler took power only 14 or so years after the war, Germany was in by far the best shape of all the former warring states. THAT shows exactly how badly the nation had been “damaged”.

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Apr 23 2019 16:37 utc | 184

Long, detailed, Lavrov interview with Zvezda on eve of 2nd round of Ukrainian election. Deeds, not words is the main takeaway, although Russia remains willing to conduct dialog. Good question about the relationship of power to diplomacy and whether the latter can be successful in the absence of the former. Lavrov’s answers as usual are long and very detailed. He makes it quite clear that Russia fully supports International Law while the Outlaw US Empire and to a lesser degree the EU do not, and that schism is at the root of today’s problems–a position that’s agreed to by an ever increasing number of nations.
In a separate item by TASS regarding Crimea, it reported:
“The issue of Crimea’s reunification with Russia is settled for good, no foreign declarations of the US, European Union or NATO will change the situation, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said at a presentation of the album dubbed Crimea in the development of Russia: history, politics, diplomacy. Russian Foreign Ministry archive documents.
“‘The Crimea’s reunification issue is settled whether anyone likes it or not,’ the Minister pointed out. ‘No declarations issued by Washington, the EU or NATO are not capable to change the situation either legally or politically.'”
It would seem the above message is directed at Ukraine’s president elect and his handlers. I searched for the above mentioned album at large and at the Foreign Ministry’s web site but got nothing. Such a compendium would be very useful and instructive.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 23 2019 16:43 utc | 185

Latest Helmer…
Canadians Lose Ukraine Election – Chrystia Freeland For President of Galicia
http://johnhelmer.net/canadians-lose-ukraine-election-chrystia-freeland-for-president-of-galicia
“Chrystia Freeland, the Ukrainian-Canadian who is Foreign Minister of Canada, was at a loss for words at the outcome of the Ukrainian presidential election on Sunday. Instead she re-tweeted Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s statement…”
Poor Chrystia. After the failure of her ‘friend’ Poroshenko she’ll be needing a holiday to recover. Perhaps to her undeclared apartment overlooking Maidan square…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 23 2019 17:20 utc | 186

@ZachS185 who says “Gullible westerners bought into the notion that hyperinflation was on account of the crushing reparations which Germany never paid out”
What do you suppose was the reason Westerners were even presented with this narrative?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 23 2019 17:46 utc | 187

JR @ 182
Thank you for responding so promptly. But Wharton believed is that the world is a mysterious place – hidden elites were not part of his philosophy.
In some ways, the great explorer Wilfred Thesiger’s words properly sum up Wharton’s “anarcho-conservatism”: “I craved for the past, I resented the present and dreaded the future”.

Posted by: Montreal | Apr 23 2019 18:11 utc | 188

@187 john gilberts… chris brown continues to write hit pieces on russia, with regard to ukraine – in cbc news… title of the article is Ukraine’s new comedian president gets hopeful welcome at home, chill from Putin
any way to frame it as a negative for russia-putin.. that is all cbc has for us… i sent a complaint to cbc saying why not try to get chris brown to write with a degree of objectivity and impartiality?? i doubt i will hear back..this is the 2nd piece in the past few days from him.. and, typically the articles are not open to comment, like many of the other articles.. i do find that interesting.. cbc seems afraid to hear what canucks actually think about all this..

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2019 18:14 utc | 189

@187 “I look forward to working with President-elect Zelenskiy to deepen our relationship ….”
Doesn’t she mean working ON Zelenskiy? Going to be interesting seeing how that guy deals with the Americans, the Russians, the oligarchs and the Nazis.

Posted by: dh | Apr 23 2019 18:20 utc | 190

Montreal @189
To clarify:
I wrote that elites were “secretive”, not “hidden”. And my reference was to what Wharton said about “conspiracy theories”.
Do elites conspire? Of course they do. Business, political, and military strategies are each conspiracies to exploit an advantage. But in today’s more connected world those conspiracies are more amenable to discovery and understanding. IMO that creates a need for masks like false narratives, which dovetail into propaganda and manufactured consent.
And, to the extent that those conspiracies are immoral, the elites have a need to discourage whistle-blowers.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 23 2019 18:26 utc | 191

EU: Let Refugees Drown.
As a mariner, one of our fundamental laws is to do all possible to aid those in distress. Indeed, such is the friggin’ law here within the Outlaw US Empire. IMO, such a policy violates the EU’s own humanitarian laws. It most certainly is immoral. And I’m totally disgusted but not altogether surprised!

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 23 2019 18:33 utc | 192

Valdai Club looks at Putin-Kim Summit, which is scheduled to occur April 24-25 at Vladivostok. Afterwards, Putin will go to Beijing for BRI Summit and meet with Xi and many other attending heads-of-state. Several other papers and events are announced at Valdai Club’s Twitter page, one about the Macron-Trump relationship and another about the Sri Lanka terror attack.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 23 2019 19:12 utc | 193

Ben Norton thread as to why The Intercept lacks objectivity regarding Syria and its region. IMO, many of the apprehensions voiced when Greenwald began writing for it have proven correct, although Glenn’s worldview doesn’t seem to have changed much.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 23 2019 19:37 utc | 194

To Karlof1:
I couldn’t find the Russian equivalent to the TASS article on their Russian version of their site (which was much less useful to me than the English one) but I’m pretty sure I’ve found the Russian language title despite that (as they themselves write it, I wouldn’t be able to translate it myself):

«Крым в развитии России: история, политика, дипломатия. Документы архивов МИД России».

Compare to “Crimea in the development of Russia: history, politics, diplomacy. Russian Foreign Ministry archive documents”
They have put something up on YouTube (I’m unsure if it’s the actual talk):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjmxNh-l8TE
It’s titled:

С.Лавров на презентации сборника «Крым в развитии России: история, политика, дипломатия…»

Which to me is something close to (but not exactly):
“S. Lavrov na prezentashii sbornika ‘Krym v razvitii Rossii: istorija, politika, diplomatija…'”
and that looks close 🙂
The first link under the video leads to a page that looks very relevant. I haven’t watched the video, I don’t speak Russian and I barely know the Cyrillic alphabet (my head is silently exploding).
There was also a result from searching the Russian version of the ministry’s web page but those results open up in a pop-up which I can’t link to. I simply searched for Крыма although Крым is probably even better, and then looked at the date of the result. The title is:

О презентации документального сборника «Крым в развитии России: история, политика, дипломатия. Документы архивов МИД России»

I’m surprised there was anything at all considering the talk or presentation happened today. I did not find any “album” (do they mean a pdf file or maybe something like a presentation slideshow?) or any link to anything that looked like presentation notes.
Best of luck finding more, hope this might have helped.
Oh and I hope you speak Russian because I doubt there’s anything in English 😀
Btw I laughed at what I saw as mild flirting at the end of the interview (it was a good summary) but maybe that’s just my imagination 🙂
[And now all the search engines are going to believe I’m Russian again… 😛 (lol)]

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 23 2019 19:50 utc | 195

Sunny Runny Burger @196–
Thanks for your efforts! “Album” may mean portfolio or multiple folios given its temporal nature and presumed contents going back to Catherine The Great and perhaps beyond. I’m thinking it’s a gift to be stored or made available for viewing in Crimea. My Russian is rusty; I learned it to read such documentation, not to meet Russian women. If my searches keep coming up empty, I can always ask the few Crimeans I know or write the Russians and ask them!

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 23 2019 20:05 utc | 196

Karlof1, re: The Intercept and Greenwald – somewhat off-topic, but Greenwald is an effective media critic and nothing more. Unless he has reversed his view on “Citizens United” (he was very much in favor of unlimited dark money in elections), and given his continued work for Omidyar’s questionable publication (which only occasionally publishes worthwhile articles on civil rights and government overreach anymore), I have lost interest in his writings. But I might not be up to date.

Posted by: KC | Apr 23 2019 20:17 utc | 197

If people can stomach a pit stop in hell they can read about US insanity and blasphemy (in my subjective view at least, I believe in a god but not in any religion) in a recent article named When the Non-Rational Trumps the Rational – And Fuels Our March Towards War from Strategic Culture.
In a way it fits well with the suffering of Easter (as far as any Jesus is concerned he supposedly got to experience all of it —which would be an extremely large amount— on the cross).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 23 2019 20:28 utc | 198

Karlof1: Oh okay, and you’re welcome 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 23 2019 20:30 utc | 199

Re: American voters
I have to feel some semblance of pity for the anti trump voters. They are burdened by a party that does not represent their interests. I could not imagine participating in the fraud they call a political party, and for those so threatened by the orange julius, left with nowhere to turn. One would think they might do something different after having been betrayed so openly.
Karlof1’s latest greatest girl
“Rather than trying to deny that this act of sabotage took place, the DNC is instead arguing that it is perfectly within its rights to obstruct and favor any campaign it wants in order to ensure the nomination of the candidate that it prefers.”
b4real

Posted by: b4real | Apr 23 2019 21:28 utc | 200