New York Times Cartoons Influenced San Diego Synagogue Shooter?
Yesterday John Earnest, a 19 year old white supremacist, entered a synagogue in San Diego with an AR-15 style weapon. Inside the synagogue, filled with Sabbath worshipers, he open fire and killed one person and wounded three. He fled but later surrendered to police officers.
Before the attack Earnest uploaded "an open letter" with lots of anti-Semitic and homophobic tropes. He published the link to the letter on the radical right wing site 8ch.net. The open letter is in the question and answer style of an interview:
“How does killing Jews help the European race? The European race is doomed? What are you talking about? These Jews were innocent!”
Every Jew is responsible for the meticulously planned genocide of the European race. They act as a unit, and every Jew plays his part to enslave the other races around him—whether consciously or subconsciously. Their crimes are endless. For lying and deceiving the public through their exorbitant role in news media; ...
The author claims that he set fire on nearby mosque last month and says that he drew inspiration from the terrorist who in March killed some 50 people at two mosques in New Zealand.
Earnest calls himself a Christian and quotes (evangelical) scripture. There are also a few Q&As about Trump and 'Conservatives' (emphasis added):
“Are you a Trump supporter?”
You mean that Zionist, Jew-loving, anti-White, traitorous cocksucker? Don’t make me laugh.“Are you affiliated with any political ideology?”
Yes. It’s called not wanting to go extinct.“Are you a conservative?”
I am not a useless, spineless coward so no—I am not a conservative. Conservative is a misnomer. They conserve nothing. They’ll complain all they want but they won’t take up arms and threaten their government with death (the only thing that works). Ever heard about the Battle of Athens (1946)? Find your balls again you insufferable faggots. If you do not defend your rights you deserve none.
Where did John Earnest get these antisemitic and homophobic ideas from?
It may well be that Earnest read the New York Times.
The caricature below appeared in Thursday's international print edition of the New York Times.
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The sentiment is easy to understand. Trump is blind about the political reality in the Middle East and is 'guided' by Netanyahoo who thereby gets everything he asks for.
But why is Trump depicted with a kippah or yarmulke? Trump is a Presbyterian with an Evangelical leaning, not an orthodox Jew. Was a more realistic depiction, Netanyahoo leading the goyim donkey Trump by the nose, too strong?
During the 1930s the Nazi weekly Der Stürmer published similar tropes. The "Hofjuden" were those Jews who were said to influence or secretly lead the royal courts.
After some uproar the Times apologized:
"The image was offensive, and it was an error of judgment to publish it."
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The homophobic 'cock-sucker' and 'faggots' slurs John Earnest uses may also originate from reading the Times.
In mid 2018 the NYT published and promoted an animation that depicted Trump and the Russian president Vladimir Putin as homosexual lovers.
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The 'paper of the record' is supposedly liberal and zionist. It is owned and led by a Jewish family. Despite that it publishes cartoons that are based on anti-semitic tropes and homophobic slurs.
The New York Times is openly hostile towards Trump as well as to Russia. Its hatred seems sufficient to permit the use of cliches it otherwise rejects. It is no wonder then that such sentiments gain in prominence in the wider society. Lunatics like John Earnest pick up on these and use them to justify their terrorism.
Posted by b on April 28, 2019 at 12:36 UTC | Permalink
Link for my preceding post: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/04/why-we-all-hate-bari-weiss-so-much
Posted by: fx | Apr 28 2019 12:52 utc | 2
Fake anti-semitism is not new, and it's probably more common than fake racism, because it is more likely to work, so to speak.
But then there is the real stuff like this loon in Poway, and lots of other sites on the web.
Seeing it in NYT cartoons is new, no doubt about that, but then it has been clear for some time (e.g. that anti-gay cartoon) that they place their political agendas way ahead of any concern for their own credibility or our need to know the truth.
Notice the perp here is also full of self-pity and anger. That seems to be diagnostic in both the real and fake attacks.
Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 28 2019 13:14 utc | 3
Such brainwashed people like this killer should read something about rich Jews selling poor Jews to Nazi death camps to save themselves (provided detailed list who to deport to the camps) and their families and those rich Jews who exploited to death fellow Jews in and out of Ghettos industries under Wehrmacht military contracts and left ghettos for Sweden filthy rich on blood of their suppose coconspirators against while race which had their own not lesser evil and massive number of betrayals for money.
If white supremacists were literate they would read about brutal and murderous Jewish Police commanders and Judenrat figures who evacuated with defeated Nazis to the west with tones of gold and bought themselves good living as champions of anticommunism under new IDs, many killed by Zionist secret revenge death squads run later by MOSSAD and burned so IDs could not be confirmed and erased from Jewish memory.
Today Israeli Zionists are in part responsible peddling Jewish universal victimhood fallacy feeding white supremacy delusion of denying holocaust as practically impossible. If they read some books they would have learned how namely with coordination and cooperation of Nazis and all races of collaborators and turncoats including Jews, Poles, Russians,Lithuanians, Ukrainians, French, Dutch, Norwegians, Hungarians, Spanish ,Greeks to name few non Jews acting against jews and their own.
Like today American white supremacists are selling their own race to Jews or anyone rich who pays but such a pathetic killer like this one in San Diego thinks his ignorance is his strength succumbing to brainwashing of illustrious warriors for saving white race who are mostly FBI informants sowing social hatred and division.
But that neither side does not want to talk about.
Posted by: Kalen | Apr 28 2019 13:31 utc | 4
"Hi my name is Donald J Trump and I approve this message."
Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 28 2019 14:01 utc | 5
I grok the sarcastic point you are making and agree with you these cartoons are sick.
Still it begs credulity that a 19 year old kid posting regularly at 8chan also regularly reads the International version of the New York Times...lol
Sadly, this appears to be yet another in a regular, ongoing series of assorted racist/hate crime mayhem inculcated by fried internet denizens with easy access to pistolas, which can be traced back and attributed at least partially to mentally ill posters interreacting in fried comment threads of hate blogs.
Death by Internet is a real thing. When will this fact become part of the discussion?
And for the record, Trump and Nutty walk arm in arm, no need for the dog leash imagery at all. ANd of course, Trump is an elephant. He was a donkey before he realised his clearest path to power was through the racist/fascist trending GOP of the decadent post Reagan period.
Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 28 2019 14:21 utc | 6
Wake up, the Trump (Drumpf) family are crypto Jews, Drumpf women have been marrying Jews for generations. Well worth your time to read Miles Mathis on the family history, I found the photo of Fred Trump gifting New York real estate for a Torah study center particularly interesting as good Lutherans do that with such regularity.
http://mileswmathis.com/trump.pdf
Posted by: Madrone | Apr 28 2019 14:22 utc | 7
I would say that the elite plan is working perfectly.
In case any here don't read history, this subject matter has been used before as b documented; it all about racism against the jews. It is a perfect foil against any discussion about how the public of the world really is motivated against each other.....FINANCE
As I have written here numerous times about identity politics, this thread is a misdirection of society's angst about itself.
The elite who own global private finance are not who all this vile is being directed at but, way more than the puppet Trump, they are responsible for the social mayhem we are watching unfold.
Onward with all that misdirected energy......sigh
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 28 2019 14:51 utc | 8
"Sabbath worshipers"
hahaha ... nice one, B!
For Christ’s sake! Why do liberals get tongue-tied when discussing the world’s largest religion?
Posted by: Das Kommentariat | Apr 28 2019 14:58 utc | 9
When I saw that cartoon, my first thought was NYT are so desperate for clicks that they have gone full Buzzfeed clickbait. The old media is dying and being replaced by bloggers like b and youtubers. I am reminded of that scene in Terminator 2 where the T1000 is thrashing around in the molten steel just before it's ultimate demise, goodbye NYT and good riddance.
Posted by: TJ | Apr 28 2019 15:22 utc | 10
good post b... 'sabbath worshipers' - good one! i am sure obama and hillary will follow you on that one!
the nyt will never be held accountable for what they do.. most people won't look closely at what you highlight.. as for trump, he is a pathetic excuse for a us president in his blatant subservience to zionism.. the others were more discrete about it..carter was the only one i know that seemed to be actually seeking a solution to the madness now known as israel..
this story will be played up the yin yang.. netanyahu is on it today... meanwhile countless innocent palestinians continue to die at the hands of these warmongers.. that will not be covered by the nyt or any other big name media outlet in the usa.. indoctrination is thick and strong in the usa and most of the other western cultures..
Posted by: james | Apr 28 2019 15:52 utc | 11
Every Jew is responsible for the meticulously planned genocide of the European race. They act as a unit, and every Jew plays his part to enslave the other races around him—whether consciously or subconsciously. Their crimes are endless. For lying and deceiving the public through their exorbitant role in news media; ...
Maybe the shooter really believes in the myth, but here he's clearly referring to communism ("They act as a unit [..] to enslave the other races"). White supremacists (neo-nazifascists) consider any form of racial integration race enslavement, which makes them segregationists par excellence. So, the Jew's "great crime" is not in the fact that they exist, but the fact that they -- allegedly -- seek some form of internationalism. The knot of the 21st century is that communism doesn't exist anymore but capitalism hasn't guided the white race to prosperity, so they have found, in the pits of poverty and drug addiction, a new enemy: "globalism". In the 1930s, the original Nazis put the Jews as the masterminds of communism, so you don't need to be a contemporary history conoisseur to unite the points and see the narrative of the far-right: globalism is the direct successor of communism.
Oh, please, one cartoon.
I don't know what lip-up happened in that instance, but it is as far as you can get from the day-in, day-out reality of The New York Times.
The New York Times, 365 days a year, is an advocacy and propaganda outlet for Israel.
We learned, not that long, that all stories concerning Israel are passed by the official Israeli censor before being published.
And they have Thomas Friedman babbling on, week after week after week.
Posted by: JOHN CHUCKMAN | Apr 28 2019 16:11 utc | 13
Bernhard! You're not seriously suggesting that, absent whatever's in the NYT, Earnest's attack wouldn't have happened and he'd be just another normal well-adjusted citizen... seriously? Anti-Semitism didn't exist before the NYT published anti-Semitic items? Can you be serious? For someone with your analytical skills this is pure misdirection and one wonders what agenda it serves.
Posted by: Marshalldoc | Apr 28 2019 16:25 utc | 14
"But why is Trump depicted with a kippah or yarmulke?"
Who could imagine?
Posted by: MarkU | Apr 28 2019 16:34 utc | 15
There are millions of people who hate Jews...for various reasons. Mainly because they are so successful &influential I guess (though I've met a few Jewish losers). I doubt if it will ever go beyond lone-wolf attacks but they may become more frequent.
Posted by: dh | Apr 28 2019 16:39 utc | 16
@14 Marshalldoc.. i can't answer for b, but it seems the nyt is contributing to it, as opposed to not.. perhaps that is worth considering, no??
Posted by: james | Apr 28 2019 16:43 utc | 17
The homophobic 'cock-sucker' and 'faggots' slurs John Earnest uses may also originate from reading the Times
in the lexicon of english slang these two terms are widely used and accepted in a non-homophobic context. they're simply derogatory, and that's how i read John's use of them here.
Posted by: john | Apr 28 2019 17:06 utc | 18
It may well be that Earnest read the New York Times.
Probably not. This character probably reads the Neocon York Times about as much as I do, which is not at all. The connection between the awful surge of "antisemitism" and violence by the rightwingnutters is already being made.
Dani Dayan, Consul General of Israel in New York, reached out to the Times to express his outrage regarding the cartoon. An Israeli official told The Jerusalem Post that Dayan in his conversations made it clear that the cartoon was unacceptable, and that the fact it appeared on the paper is an escalation of the latest trend of displaying antisemitic tropes in the American public sphere.
The horror of it all! It's time for Congress to get off its fat duff and pass those laws outlawing BDS in all shapes and forms! Time to crack down on forums like this one where criticism of Holy Israel is allowed to pollute the Internet Tubes. From our lard-ass End-Times Secretary of State:
“Friends, let me go on record: Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism. The Trump administration opposes it unequivocally and we will fight for it relentlessly,” he made clear.
Writing anything except glowing hugs-and-kisses about God's Favorite Thieves and Murderers ought to be illegal. This site owner would quickly get his act together if he was given the "Galileo Treatment" of being shown videos from the Cuban Concentration Camp with scenes of the evildoers there being waterboarded.
One more thing to consider:
The New York Times retraction, however, was not an apology. It also left many questions unanswered as to how such an obviously anti-Semitic cartoon, not even associated with the story on the page it appeared on, could have passed the gauntlet of editors.
All those editors have cushy nice-paying jobs. When it's time to keep their mouths shut, they keep them shut. My tight-fitting tinfoil hat causes me to suspect the publication of this obviously factual cartoon was a cold-blooded business decision. Its mere existence will give the Neocon York Times a long spell of 'deniability' that it is always in bed with the the pissant Apartheid state in every way imaginable. I'd imagine this flea-bite of momentary discomfort will be very useful in the next two or so years as it shills for Trump's Deal of the Century as well as any other horrors advanced by the Wag-The-Dog state.
Posted by: Zachary Smith | Apr 28 2019 17:21 utc | 19
@4 Kalen - Could you suggest a book or two that delves into the history you mention? I've heard a bit about what you describe, but I haven't had the time to do any real research.
Thank you! As well as our host and everyone here. I learn so much.
Posted by: roza shanina | Apr 28 2019 17:21 utc | 20
B., I was raised Roman Catholic, but it didn't take. So I can't plead any special consideration because Sunday is the C-word* Sabbath.
Still, on this traditional day of rest I come here for a little peace and quiet; usually I only have to keep a vigilant finger on my mouse wheel to scroll past the usual Trouble & Strife.
But your post is interfering with my tranquility. I can't abide the recurring "wooshes" of your point going over so many commenters' heads. It's like living next to a military airbase!
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*Incidentally, it's puzzling that Democratic Party icons like Obama and Clinton didn't use this puerile "X-word" euphemism when tweeting their condolences to the Easter-worshippers.
Since the Democratic Party increasingly relies on politically weaponized identity politics in its quest for exclusive occupation of the moral high ground, one would think this inane, infantile usage would be the first thing that came to their minds, such as they are.
Posted by: Ort | Apr 28 2019 17:29 utc | 21
There is one issue which the NYT always supports and never rejects. That issue is war. It always promotes war and it never promotes peace.
Another Lone Wolf Nut Job.
We know that the Military Industrial Congressional Complex and the CIA love war wherever it can be fomented. We know that the CIA and other government groups along with The Vatican and organized crime work together to promote Capitalism (and destroy Communism wherever it may take root). Supporting, training and arming Muslim extremists and White supremacists is standard procedure as are staging false flag attacks in many different styles and colors.
Attacks like this one are always suspicious. Nobody else has the state's level of funding, the man power, the logistics, electronics, media support, the weaponry to engage an event like this one and blame a patsy or (create a patsy out of whole cloth) and get it reported (or not) with the color and emotion as ordered.
Posted by: fast freddy | Apr 28 2019 17:35 utc | 22
Psyops and propaganda have a cumulative effect on the thought processes of the target populations. After 9/11 it became legal for our intelligence services to turn these insidious weapons on our own people. The result is a metastasis of political polarization into fear and loathing in more vulnerable minds. These Dark State practitioners are manipulating the outcomes and expect cult-like (or occult) spasms of mass murder. The crude scapegoating, the Orwellian menagerie of enemies, the contamination of public forums with trolls, the false flags, and constant promotion of political hysteria, has a methodology that we have seen in the 20th Century. I am always grateful when b reminds us of this danger.
The description b provides of how the cartoon ought to have looked is 100% correct. But then the NY Times has published so many things that are polar opposites of truth, the editor probably yawned while approving it.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 28 2019 18:04 utc | 24
Medea Benjamin lending direct support to the politically expedient narrative has pointed out that yesterday was the last day of "Passover".
The shooting at the synagogue in #Poway, CA is a despicable act of anti-semitism on the last day of Passover, and 6 months after the #TreeofLifeSynagogue massacre. We MUST reject hatred and violence in all its ugly manifestations!!!
Posted by: fast freddy | Apr 28 2019 18:05 utc | 25
Here is Ivanka Trump with virtually the exact same tweet
Another vile act of anti-semitism and senseless violence committed at a place of worship, the Chabad of Poway synagogue, 6 months after the Tree of Life massacre & during both Shabbat & the last day of the Passover holiday.
Posted by: fast freddy | Apr 28 2019 18:12 utc | 26
MarkU | Apr 28, 2019 12:34:24 PM | 15
You might find an answer in the post below.
(Madrone | Apr 28, 2019 10:22:00 AM | 7)
Posted by: Alpi57 | Apr 28 2019 18:15 utc | 27
Here's a fantastic quote recommended by my favorite anti-Jew, Jew.
"War is when the government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself."Thank you Gary Keenan
Here's a quote from him: Jewish power, as I define it, is the power to silence opposition to Jewish power.
Careful, you don't facilitate this power by self-censorship.
Just as people who own guns don't want their rights restricted by someone who gets a crazy notion, people who value the truth don't want their right to express it restricted either by same person with a crazy notion.
I reject war for any kind of supremacy.
Posted by: Circe | Apr 28 2019 18:19 utc | 28
I followed the link to the open letter to try to understand why b called the quoted passages "(evangelical) scripture". The passages are genuine passages from the New Testament. I haven't checked, but the English looks like it comes from the King James Version, which no doubt accurately reflects the Greek original.
Posted by: lysias | Apr 28 2019 18:43 utc | 29
Interesting how b changed the title of this post....wonder why?
Posted by: donkeytale | Apr 28 2019 18:57 utc | 30
I wonder what the nyt actually wanted to express by publishing the cartoon. I mean its massive in all little details. It is not funny about booth and also not their connection between each other. It is an reality that hurts and wich does exist. What is the sentence they wanna create in the mind of the audience?
Posted by: Rico nova | Apr 28 2019 19:30 utc | 31
The deranged minds that once clamored for people to be burned at the stake have exited the Abrahamic religions, have divorced themselves from humanity, and even sell their souls for all the hatred they can eat. They spit up contempt and shout that they are so much better than those they hate, and distinguish themselves through destruction alone. And what is left for them but to get down on all fours and growl like an animal?
I am just happy that the shooter wasn’t a Muslim, that would make this thing worse.
Posted by: Abdul | Apr 28 2019 19:48 utc | 33
I have never posted here, although I read regularly. But at this point must chime in.
I don't find anything wrong with the cartoon. I am incredulous, actually, that b considers this cartoon "anti-semitic" and therefore should not have been printed. I find the cartoon pretty funny, very sharp, and quite apposite. Political cartoonists are expected to be sharp and to find new ways to depict . . .what ever they choose to depict. The chorus of howls unleashed by the cartoon is and indication that it has indeed hit the mark.
Someone sent it to me earlier today with the observation: Normally it is the job of political cartoonists to criticize their targets, and to make them uncomfortable. Normally the targets of political cartoons don't get to sit in judgment of what is an "acceptable" criticism and what is not--that is, to allow only positive views of themselves to breach the public sphere. Only the Zionists apparently get to control what critics are allowed to say. This is a perfect example of the weaponization of "anti-semitism." The idea of any Zionist appointing himself a taste police is tragically laughable.
Not only is the cartoon not "anti-semitic" (the six-pointed star is the symbol of the Jewish State in Palestine, not of Judaism), but IMO but is a good, pointed graphic depiction of the operative power relationship between Bibi and Trump. Trump's yarmulke is justified, as he is practically acting "more Jewish than the chief rabbi" (cf. "more Catholic than the Pope"). He seems to be an honorary Jew: if you make the kinds of extravagant gifts to the Zionists that Trump has done, are constantly canoodling with Sheldon Adelson, appoint Jared Kushner as your Senior Advisor, etc. etc. it is logical to depict you with a yarmulke on your bean. Those who criticize this seem, actually, unconsciously to be expressing the feeling that this is an insult or something. Nothing wrong with a yarmulke!!
The idea that this particular cartoon could have "inspired" a particular act is nonsense unless the person who did the shooting states that he viewed the cartoon and that it influenced him.
Posted by: Really? | Apr 28 2019 19:50 utc | 34
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I am just happy that the shooter wasn’t a Muslim, that would make this thing worse.
The PTB must dial up the heat to the level that is just right. Too much heat and they spoil the sauce. Chaos must be controlled. Don't want full blown rioting and mass murder, yet.
Posted by: Kristan hinton | Apr 28 2019 19:53 utc | 35
Re #35, I meant to say: the *blue and white* six-pointed star is the symbol of the Jewish State in Palestine. It is ubiquitous, unavoidable, a constant reminder to the Palestinians and everyone else of who is in charge in Palestine. From videos of Jerusalem etc. that I have seen I get a strong impression these flags and other public uses of the symbol are far more often seen than the Stars and Stripes in the USA.
Posted by: Really? | Apr 28 2019 20:10 utc | 36
The Jews, notorious for falling into idolatry, since early biblical times, were chastised by God repeatedly. The gods of Baal and Astaroth, were used by the Jews instead of being faithful to God who took therm out of Egypt. Netanyahoo the dog in the picture reminds me of things that would be used to worship with, golden and looking quite antiquarian. Our Trump man, blindly being led to his demise by the golden man dog, easily led to downfall. Russia the land of Orthodox Christian males stands in the way. The pagan west has been conquered.
Posted by: Taffyboy | Apr 28 2019 21:14 utc | 37
SBS broadcast a 4 part doco called The Fourth Estate in June last year. It's about the NYT unhealthy obsession with Trump. Episode 1 begins with his swearing in and cuts to stunned(?) NYT staffers watching the speech in which he says "For too long, our politicians have prospered while (blah blah blah) and this stops, right here, and right now."
From then on it consists of an endless stream of huddles as various groups of staffers ponder the best way to spin various 'angles' and approaches, or solo senior staffers pontificating on all manner of hypotheticals. There are lots of opinionated people working at the NYT and none of them is 'stupid'.
I recorded Episode 1 and my conclusion from watching it is that NOTHING the NYT publishes is accidental. I began recording Episode 2 but aborted the mission after 30 minutes or so because the repetitive self-worship and drivel was eerily similar to Episode 1.
Wikipedia has an entry devoted to the series and it's freely available on the www. I recommend watching the first few minutes of Episode 1 just to get a feeling for the tone.
The cartoon in question was published in an International Edition as a gloat or a public (private) joke, imo. I remain unconvinced that the Editorial Staff at the Jew York Times was blissfully unaware that the cartoon 'might' create an opportunity for the "Anti-Semitism!!?" crowd to stir up, and capitalise upon, the ensuing indignation and outrage.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 28 2019 21:20 utc | 38
Roza Shanina @ 20:
Off the top of my head, the writer Lenni Brenner comes to mind. He is the author of "Zionism in the Age of Dictators" and "51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis". I've seen the second book and I think from memory it also dealt with the Zionist settlers' collaboration with the Italian navy (during Mussolini's rule) to establish their own sea defences (that would become the Israel Navy) and the Shanghai Jewish community's collaboration with Imperial Japanese occupiers during the 1930s / 40s.
Also there is material online on Rudolf Kasztner, the Hungarian Jewish journalist who cut a Faustian deal with Adolf Eichmann to save some Jews through ransom and auctioning train places to those Jews who could afford to pay, and allow the Nazis to deport others to Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Posted by: Jen | Apr 28 2019 23:16 utc | 39
Thank you, Jen. I always enjoy and value your contributions here!
Posted by: roza shanina | Apr 28 2019 23:37 utc | 40
I simply don't see the connection between the act and the cartoon. It comes down to overt and covert bias and agenda of the publication.
Posted by: Aqua1 | Apr 28 2019 23:51 utc | 41
"Its hatred seems sufficient to permit the use of cliches it otherwise rejects."
A version of Heraclitus'/Jung's enantiadromia?
In the philosophy of Heraclitus it [enantiodromia] is used to designate the play of opposites in the course of events—the view that everything that exists turns into its opposite…." --C.G. Jung (1949)
My hatred for the enemy is so consuming that I will inhabit his tropes (become him) in an overweening effort to defeat him.
Posted by: Full Spectrum Domino | Apr 29 2019 0:10 utc | 42
Let me add that the Straussians (Neocons/Nietzscheans) play the enatiadromic game. They regard themselves as being 'beyond good and evil', dabbling in ostensibly evil acts while claiming to remain beyond its corrosive reach. Yeah right. Beyond evil, there is only more evil.
Posted by: Full Spectrum Domino | Apr 29 2019 0:21 utc | 43
Full Spectrum Domino @ 44, 45:
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche, I believe.
Posted by: Jen | Apr 29 2019 0:30 utc | 44
You got that right, Jen. The Nietzschean tightrope walk (for those who subscribe to it) is how to attain master morality without first careening into the abyss. Society's dilemma also becomes how to disabuse various self-satisfied pygmies that they are not in fact beyond good and evil but rather buried up to their necks in it.
Posted by: Full Spectrum Domino | Apr 29 2019 1:23 utc | 45
You'll never see this on the Western media
WATCH – Israeli soldiers laugh and cheer after one of them shoots a Palestinian protester
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey48uTfIeww
Posted by: chloe | Apr 29 2019 11:21 utc | 46
As much as I hate to say this, b, you're completely way off the mark on matters pertaining to imageboard culture and risk coming off as informed as the next generic MSM journo. Wall of text incoming for you barflies who never grew up (or old) with *chans:
Chans host a collection of interest specific boards where almost everyone posts anonymously. The notoriety that the media harps on was from 4chan's /b/ ("Random") in the early 2000s where there was little moderation and adolescents with the newfound powers of anonymity gave rise to conditions specified by the Greater F**kwad Theory. Most imageboards including 4chan died out in the latter half of the 2000s given the rise of walled-in social networks and the fact that most of the users just "grew up". The posters you see these days are generally potty mouthed kids emulating the edgelords of old, posting memes well past their use-by date.
By 2014, 4chan's moderation gaffes coupled with the influx of non-contributing users drove all its users away. Some replacement sites appeared but all failed as "chans" were well in decline at this point. 8ch stood out as a bastion of free speech known for its resilence, it would never get knocked down (now we know why). It promised no censorship and allowed users to create boards for anything; you'd find boards for videogames to racists to risque pictures of children. It is owned and run by Jim Watkins, an ex-US army "recruiting station commander, Fort Knox" based in the Philippines who took control of the Japanese text board 2channel from Hiroyuki a year later (rumored to be a hostile takeover due to debts owed by the latter. Hiroyuki now owns 4chan, bought from moot in 2015). 8ch's /pol/ as a place for news and political discussions deteriorated almost immediately with more outright racism, nonsense and disinformation by shills (in contrast to the low effort troll posts that's commonplace) and the moderators did little to staunch it, instead banning users unhappy with the new arrangement. The worst that came of it was the distortion of truth. Redpill content would often be subverted to carry a racist or far-right message not unlike what the state shills do on comments here.
tl;dr: Chans are now bases for the twisted propaganda system that target mainly the young and outcast (deplorables). The western-created meme of "alt-right" was timed exactly with the heavy bombardment of ethnofascist content that displaced the original users on the two sites with the largest influence (and on the Japanese side of things it's the Koreans and Chinese being the eternal "slant-eyed" enemy, which has taken Japanese society by stranglehold). Both run by the same shady ex-US Army propaganda man.
My take? CIA niggers. Everywhere.
Posted by: Oldfag | Apr 29 2019 12:57 utc | 47
@donkeytale @30
Interesting how b changed the title of this post....wonder why?
1. I quite often change headlines after publishing for various reasons: clearness, readability, typos, ...
2. I change this one so that it would conform to Betteridge's law of headlines
"Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
first article where I actually disagree with you, b
Tbh the depiction of Trump as an orthodox Jew could as well be a hint towards Jared Kushner, who helped dragging Trump into another middle east escalation which pretty much is what you implied in the past in some of your articles.
Seeing this cartoon on a Pro Syrian Channel on FB I subscribe too made me think there was still a glimpse of hope for the otherwise completely pro war pro establishment New York Times.
Posted by: tageslicht | Apr 29 2019 14:39 utc | 49
rt has an article up on this.. rt scooping b, or??
https://www.rt.com/news/457816-israeli-cartoonist-nyt-controversy/
quote from article
"Not all were happy with the way the paper handled the controversy. “Apology not accepted,” the American Jewish Committee wrote on Twitter. “How many [the NYT] editors looked at a cartoon that would not have looked out of place on a white supremacist website and thought it met the paper’s editorial standards?”
Posted by: james | Apr 29 2019 14:56 utc | 50
I'm still trying to figure out what the "trope" was. Israel is an explicitly religious state. Their religion is Judaism. So when cartoonists mock Israel it's kind of hard not to involve Jewish symbolism. That's kind of the problem with religious states. And it is widely known that Trump is a pretender. He is yanking the chains of not only Israel but Evangelical voters in the US. In other words, as a scam artist Trump pretends to align with whatever group he can get something from.This is just another case of Israel trying to use its "special" status to keep anyone from mocking it. But when you make yourself a religious state all bets are off. The Israeli state carries a responsibility too. If they are going to be a religious state and commit immoral acts they are then sullying the Jewish identity. Jews in other countries who are critical of Israeli policies should be just as angry at the Israeli politicians as they might be angry at NY Times cartoonists.
Alas, this is just another play in the narrative battles. It's the right tearing one from the left's post-modern snowflake guide.
Posted by: The Hang Nail | Apr 29 2019 16:01 utc | 51
The Hang Nail @52
You expressed well what I had trouble putting into words. I imagine others feel the same.
I would only add that the misdirection in this cartoon is clear:
> Once again, Trump is being used as a lightening rod for critics so the Zionist US establishment gets a free-pass (both US Parties give 110% support to Israel and pledging loyalty to Israel is required for Congressmen to get AIPAC support);> Zionists are proud to show off thieir handiwork: a blinded USA whose titular leader is a Zionist (hence the yarmulke on his head in the cartoon);
> The guide-dog relationship is deliberately misused (guide-dogs help people to safely navigate the world), the Netanyahu guide-dog is leading USA to war.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 29 2019 16:44 utc | 52
"The Jews, notorious for falling into idolatry, since early biblical times, were chastised by God repeatedly. The gods of Baal and Astaroth, were used by the Jews instead of being faithful to God..."
Anotherwords, the Jews were doing what any sensible people does, including aspects of the religions around you into your own. But the Prophets weren't having it, and in the process, drained every bit of joy and universalism out of Judaism.
Posted by: Mooser | Apr 29 2019 17:19 utc | 53
@ 34 'Trump's yarmulke is justified, as he is practically acting "more Jewish than the chief rabbi"
It would be more accurate to say "more Zionist than than ."
I think it's important not to conflate Zionism with Judaism. Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a political movement. Not all Jews are Zionist and not all Zionists are Jews. For example, LLoyd George and Lord Balfour are early examples of Christian Zionists, and there are plenty of them around today. And, of course, there are many Jewish critics of Zionism on the progressive left and have been from the outset. They just don’t get much publicity it seems.
Ardent Zionist promoters/propagandists would like nothing more than to conflate the two. That way they can hide behind their religion and use the anti-semiitic trope to deflect criticism. When others fall into that trap and blur the distinction they are only playing into the hands of these people.
Posted by: Steverino | Apr 29 2019 17:57 utc | 54
That second line should read --
It would be more accurate to say "more Zionist than than (insert name of prominent Zionist here)."
I made the mistake of putting that last part in brackets -- that's why it didn't show.
Posted by: Steverino | Apr 29 2019 18:01 utc | 55
I am surprised to see such an obvious anti-semitic cartoon in a NYT publication. What were its editors thinking? The libs tend to hold back on pointing out GOP servitude to Israel/Likud/AIPAC because that hand also feeds them. NuttyYahoo came to manipulate an election by directly speaking to congress NOT because the DEMs are anti-semitic but because they're not as pro-Israel as the Republicans. Follow the Benjamins.
And the libs, deep down, can be hypocrites with their anger in slurs. I understood Alec Baldiwn's fury with the stalkers known as paparazzi but was surprised when he called one a "cock-sucking faggot."
Posted by: Curtis | Apr 29 2019 21:59 utc | 56
The worst menace facing our glorious economic zone and Israel support system is White Nationalism. Some person did something in a synagogue and now we must give up our "civil rights," such as they are (paying taxes, being blamed for everything, etc.), to make sure the alien criminals ruling over us are as safe as one can possibly be in a nation rapidly becoming a mixture of Guatemala and South Sudan.
Violence against the chosen is the greatest crime a biological bar code can commit. These are g*d's chosen, wisely leading our neutered, blind and senile president toward a bright future. Our success or failure as a dark and divided people is directly measured by the profits and comfort of international financiers.
A minor issue like a major urban center becoming an African and Latin American tribal all against all is entirely trivial. We'll just speak in a goofy Taco Bell dog accent, dump 100 billion into the "African-American" crevasse and give some serious attention to reparations for "muh slavery," as if the last several decades of spending and appeasement never happened. The reeking brown shit heap turning our country into a Heart of Darkness war zone will start improving tomorrow. You just have to believe, you just have to spend, you just have to live a delusional lie and climb down into this grave the traveling merchant instructed the dark biological weapon to dig for you.
News article: At least 27 people were shot–– six fatally––within city limits over the weekend in Chicago, including a 36-year-old woman who was killed by stray gunfire Friday while inside a store in Chicago Lawn.
Full story:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2-killed-16-wounded-in-chicago-shootings-since-friday-evening/
Posted by: MH | Apr 29 2019 23:06 utc | 57
#55:
No, I meant more Jewish, I did not mean more Zionist.
I understand the difference, believe me.
However, it doesn't cover every case. Zionist doesn't cover all of Trump's activities on the behalf of the Jewish State in Palestine and also his familial closeness to organized Judaism (his beloved Ivanka, for starters; and hasn't Trump been photographed with a yarmulke on? That is not "Zionist" headgear, it is Jewish). Let's not forget that "Jewish State" is what they call their nation. The *Jewish State.* So we can also call it that and allude to it that way.
I do not follow "rules" pronounced by both Zionists and Jews that they can use terms that I am not allowed to use.
I am still bemused that this cartoon would be labeled "antisemitic." It is just showing facts. How else to do that in a cartoon? The cartoonist is obliged to use easily recognized symbols to make his/her point and communicate the message quickly.
Just as Uncle Sam is used as a symbol for certain aspects of the USA.
Posted by: Really? | Apr 30 2019 0:01 utc | 58
Everybody has to wear a kipah while visiting a synagog. Western Wall , under the rule of Israeli occupation, has a status of synagog, moreover, with separate sections for men and women -- Melanie had to touch the wall of the Temple of Jupiter well away from men's eyes.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 30 2019 1:24 utc | 59
How is that NYT Int'l cartoon any different from what Charlie Hebdo was doing? Check out the cartoons in the article below.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6429552/amp
ANSWER: They're not. However, Jewish power actually has the power to silence AND censor equating that one with Trump as anti-Semitism while they find Charlie's depictions hillarious and good sarcasm.
I had to shut CNN off because I'm tired of the endless preaching on the rise of antiSemitism. But 49 times more Muslims were killed in Christchurch and 250 times more Christians in Shri Lanka getting not even half the air time and if it were not for Zionist Trumpian white nationalist influence purely for ballot box gain, air time would amount to a few hours at most for the Christians and the Muslim victims would be a mere passing footnote.
Just tonight Cuomo equated Ilhan Omar to Trump calling her Benjamins comment, hateful. The woman got death threats you, effing moron! Well, I just about had my fill of their sanctimonious regurgitation, sy-oh-nara CfckingNN!!! They sound like a bunch of old hags droning on and on and on with a crescendo of hyerbole! ENOUGH ALREADY! Let's put the truth in perspective shall we?: Innocent civilians are being killed in Yemen with U.S. support every week! Children are dying in droves because of the U.S. proxy war causing mass starvation! But they're yammering on and on and on all day yesterday and all day today that the only victims that really matter are the one Jewish victim! Puh-lease spare us your f@cking gatekeeping hypocrisy already! Grow a conscience damn you all!
Posted by: Circe | Apr 30 2019 3:36 utc | 60
#59
When you speak of "familial closeness to organized Judaism" it seems like you think of Judaism as one monolithic thing. It's not. There are a lot of different currents of thought within Judaism.
The Zionists do in fact say "Jewish State" -- that's the whole basis of their ideology. Just like the apartheid South African regime considered themselves a "white state," or the Nazi regime in Germany considered itself a German/Aryan state.
But to illustrate my point, suppose you came across a particularly passionate advocate of Nazi Germany,would it be fair to say they were acting "more German than Goebbels," say? Or would it be more apt to say, "more Nazi than Goebbels"? In spite of Nazi ideology, I would say that not all Germans are responsible for what the Nazis did -- that would be collective guilt. Many Germans were themselves victimized by the Nazi regime and many Germans resisted them.
Similarly, pertaining to South Africa, would it be fair to say so-and-so were acting "more white than Botha" or "more of a Nationalist (National Party) than Botha?" Even though the regime assumed the mantle of representing "the white race" to the exclusion of others, there was still resistance among whites both locally and globally. After all, it's not as if "white people" (however you might define that term) are some mythical monolithic entity all walking in lockstep, in agreement with one another.
From what I can tell, I don't think you personally are antisemitic, but when you use terminology like that, someone acting "more Jewish" than (fill in the blank) it’s vulnerable to that interpretation, and that's like music to the ears of hard-core Zionists who want to perpetuate the myth that any opposition to, or criticism of, Zionism is based in antisemitism. It just reinforces that narrative.
Posted by: Steverino | Apr 30 2019 12:42 utc | 61
There are a few problems with the "net as guide dog" idea.
1. The dog shown in s not a guide dog. A guide dog wears a harness and guides its owner. In the picutre trump holds a *leash.* Not the same thing. So, no "guide dog."
2. Even if Net were shown as a guide dog, a dachshund is not a breed that has ever been used as a guide dog. A dachshund is a badger-hunting dog that is aggressive and hard to train. It is a known symbol of Germany. So, again, no guide dog.
Let's start from scratch. Trump is holding his pet on a leash. The dachsie looks around to see if he can run away from his master or whether the master might just jerk on the leash and control Dachsie. Net's owner doesn't know that Dachsie is planning to run away and chase a badger down a hole. Once he gets stuck in the hole, the master will have to pull him out by his tail. But the master is too dumb to understand his pet's plans. He will spend the rest of the day, or his administration, or his life, trying to haul his pet out of the hole he has gotten himself stuck in.
Just a speculation. But one based on the actual imagery used, not on some "guide dog" nonsense.
Posted by: Really? | Apr 30 2019 23:11 utc | 62
"and that's like music to the ears of hard-core Zionists who want to perpetuate the myth that any opposition to, or criticism of, Zionism is based in antisemitism. It just reinforces that narrative. "
I do not hold with "avoiding" saying the obvious because someone might find it "insensitive" or get their feelings hurt or use it to perpetuate a myth. Myth perpetuaters are responsible for their own lies. I am not going to pussyfoot around just to appease these liars into maybe not lying. Also, like other forms of appeasement, this kind just doesn't work. That is the clear evidence so far.
Of course this "hurt" furthers an agenda to suppress certain knowledge and open discussion--to create, in effect, a taboo. Personal feelings don't trump objective circumstances and conditions. This is the heart of the weaponization of the term "anti-Semitism": intimidating people into not saying the obvious--beating around the bush, or just shutting up---to avoid "hurting" someone who self-defines as a victim but actually advocates criminal acts (such as, e.g., shooting on peaceful civilian protesters and medics; or agitating for more wars in the ME; more annexation of Pal territory; more interference in American politics).
All diaspora Jews, but esp. American Jews, need to grasp that Zionists' conflation of Zionism with Judaism hurts *them* more than anyone else. They have the most to lose by such a mendacious conflation of Zionism with Judaism.
The example of Germans is relevant because, as Severino strongly implies, there were the "good" Germans. The bar was set pretty high for "good" Germans. In order to be "good," Germans had to proactively show that they were anti=Nazi and actually did something about it. Not just after the fact, like so many of the French Resistance after the shooting was over. The same goes for Jews. In connection with the treatment of Palestinians by the current Jewish State in Palestine, there are "good" Jews. And it is largely going to be up to Jews to openly and clearly push back against the crimes being committed in all Jews' name by the Jewish State. And, many are doing so.
Severino allows himself an assessment as to whether I am or am not "anti-Semitic." I don't know why he thinks he should or can judge that (I may be 100% or some other percentage Jewish, or German). Anyhow, IMO the term is simply not useful; it has lost any usefulness it may ever have had. I don't consider my comments to be against Jews. I don't consider showing a symbol of Judaism or of the Jewish State to be against Jews. Jews themselves are proud of these symbols and show them all the time. And, how else is a cartoonist to create a cartoon about the Jewish State except by using recognizable imagery? I consider my comments as "tough love."
It is valid to attempt to analyze the actual message of the cartoon in question on the basis of the actual imagery used and the figures and gestures shown. Starting off with a misleading, hysteria-driven description of the imagery =>> garbage in, garbage out.
Posted by: Really? | Apr 30 2019 23:57 utc | 63
Captain Obvious being obvious.
The NYT takes the extra step, goes the extra mile:
so the NYT can be the self chosen one,
appointed to point out to us plebs,
that one should NEVER EVER be open to being called out as anti-semitic.
Whether in context or out of context. Just won't do. Not done.
Verboten. Have some decency please. Thank you. Or else.
Posted by: Mishko | May 1 2019 20:22 utc | 64
Back track the logic and reverse engineer possible motives of the organiser of both attacks in NZ and San Diego which is the same and is from either Israel or and Britain.
One thought is on their mind.
Athens.
What is there?
Means and locations of the old USN research of secure (quantum) communications and nuclear ordinance teleportation programe. Nukes through artificialy enhanced but natural teluric currents. Mossad probably is all over that $hit now with the help of the British Lodges, sorry I mean their MI# departments.
USN you f@cked up royaly you clowns. Now Russia China have no reason to back down.
Posted by: Royaly | May 2 2019 1:34 utc | 65
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A contributing factor has been the NYT giving up pretense of balance, and appointing an open zionist as Op-Ed staff editor while stuffing its pages with racist rants by Bret Stephens.
Posted by: fx | Apr 28 2019 12:52 utc | 1