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March 17, 2019

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2019-15

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:


There are freshmen from Michigan and Minnesota in Congress who recently made some news with comments about the Zionist lobby. Some anti-imperialists and progressives lauded them for their efforts and defended them against attacks. But these are wolfs in sheep clothing.

Rep. Ilhan Omar Verified account @Ilhan - 1:31 utc - 16 Mar 2019
The people of Syria revolted against Assad's repressive dictatorship 8 years ago today, demanding a more just and free government. Peace loving people around the world stand in solidarity with them in this struggle!
Rashida Tlaib Verified account @RashidaTlaib - 23:46 utc - 16 Mar 2019
The anniversary of the uprising against the oppression in Syria was yesterday. We must recognize the struggle of those who organized and stood up against injustice. It is my hope that we can see a Syria that is truly free one day.

On might guess that the checks from the Muslim Brotherhood, the Turkish and the Qatari lobbies arrived.

As Ilhan Omar once wisely said:

‘It’s all about the Benjamins baby’


Use as open thread ...

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A couple of notes:
1) If you think AIPAC is a big deal in Washington, what about the entire US military and military contractor forces? I would be shocked if these collectively spent orders of magnitude of spending more. Given this, how can any non-insane politician get too far away from the narrative, whatever their actual beliefs?
How naive is it to believe that any politician or group of politicians can fight, much less reverse this situation? Go look up the multi-decade attempts to get the Pentagon and military to pass audits, for example. And read the Prouty book.
2) Palantir. When Palantir was ramping up, they leased out every office space they could find in downtown Palo Alto. Most of it was completely empty, but the enormous number of Palantir signs everywhere stirred up a lot of interest because surely there must be something behind all that leased office space?
I have never seen it in person, but it seems pretty clear that it is an AI/ML equivalent of early Oracle: basically expert services disguised as software.

Posted by: c1ue | Mar 18 2019 17:43 utc | 101

They call themselves Socialists. I call them Crony Socialists. No different than their Repub or Democrat counterparts. And NYC’s DeBlasio paved they way for them. Jose Garcia @ 2.

Struck a chord. The standard accusation of socialist’ / ‘communist etc. as well as adopting “I am a social democrat” is completely meaningless.

These are defunct memes / tribal rally calls that should no longer fool ppl.

Ex. The US agri industry is *very heavily* subsidised, officially.

(Goog agri subsidies US / world.. or look up US Gvmt. docs..)

The tax payer of course pays for more, such as vehicles / roads / rail / water! / etc. for mega - farmers to perform. At the same time, some farmers are squeezed and pushed to endlessly produce more and some are kept ‘on the edge of survival’.. and give up or die …

The US is not alone, all OECD do it, notably the EU (but these don’t pretend to be ‘free market’ - much more could be said.) In the US, the agri surplus is bought up by the Gvmt, and shunted to feed the poor, principally in the form of ‘free lunch / meals / food banks ’ for school children / others, afaik. (It is hard to trace the products which is in itself is alarming.)

40 + million ppl rely on foodstamps, SNAP, so even with the price of food controlled by Gvmt. subsidies to a low-low, it is necessary to pay (many) poor families, or those working for Big Corps like Wallmart, not garnering a living wage, a ‘stipend’ so that they not die of hunger. Food is subsidised because without it hungry ppl would go in the streets and kill.

That isn’t socialism.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 18 2019 18:10 utc | 102

Ilhan Omar is from Minnesota and not Maryland.

Posted by: Omar | Mar 18 2019 18:21 utc | 103

Opinionated Rocker Roger Daltrey tells it like it is:

"‘EU are like the f**king mafia’.... I’m not anti-Europe, I’m anti-Brussels, but people don’t get the distinction."

Finally, someone pins the tail on the donkey. There's a short interview with Pete Townsend and Daltrey linked at the above article that focuses mostly on music and the music biz.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 18 2019 18:24 utc | 104

@ Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 18, 2019 1:27:13 PM | 98

In that case, it was the CIA that tortured those prisoners, which used Syrians to do the dirty job. But those Syrians were de facto under CIA orders.

Posted by: vk | Mar 18 2019 18:27 utc | 105

Noirette @102--

Both USDA and WWF say Outlaw US Empire and global food wastage, respectfully, is @33%--enough food calories to feed 3 Billion people! IMO, the figure for the USA's likely higher as a massive amount of potential food goes into manufacturing ethanol for transportation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 18 2019 18:40 utc | 106

Excellent presentation by Prof. Richard Wolff, worth spending 90 minutes!!

These programs begin with 30 minutes of short updates on important economic events of the last month, then Prof. Wolff analyzes several major economic issues. For March 2019, these issues will include:

1. The record US gov’t budget deficit in 2018: causes and effects
2. The record US trade deficit in 2018: causes and effects
3. Unions reviving? Strikes, organizing and the looming strategic decision they face about socialism in the US
Our goal: To develop all participants’ understanding and ability to explain current economic events and trends to others. We open the floor to questions and comments when time permits....

US and China: 1 Global Economy, 2 Giants - Tariffs, Competition, Deals: What’s Coming

Posted by: ex-SA | Mar 18 2019 18:45 utc | 107

Karlof1 and Ghost Ship,
Thanks for the links. I kinda consider Wikipedia and the Guardian to be very good resources to explore the official story, but not so much for deeper research. But, if I understand correctly, accusations that Bashar al Assad was personally involved or even aware, are flimsy at best.
His profile just doesn't fit with a sadistic monster, at all. He was the younger son, educated and living in the West, London I think, an eye doctor of all things, far removed from Syrian politics when he unexpectedly finds himself heir to a political dynasty after his older brother and father died (assassinated?). He gives up what was surely a comfortable life in Europe and returns to Syria where he begins enacting wide raging democratic reforms which are then interrupted by an invasion of terrorist proxy forces which result in foreign countries bombing the shit out of Syria and creating a refugee crisis. He reaches out to Russia, or maybe that was the other way round, but here we are. He's a dictator, a torturer, a madman who gasses his own people and on and on.

I heard something in a Russian documentary about Putin and it's stayed with me. I may not have it exactly right, but it was something like - Beware of the one for whom power is an ambition, instead, look for the one for whom power is a burden. I kinda think that fits Assad. I'm sure he'd have preferred to remain in the life he had built, but I think without him Syria would be another Libya right now. As it is, it's devastated, but mostly liberated from the terrorists but the US continues it's occupation.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 18 2019 18:54 utc | 108

March 14th, 2019 – “New Zealand mosque shooting” – The same day Israel strikes 100 Gaza targets

October 27th, 2018 – “Pittsburgh synagogue shooting” – The same day Israel strikes 80 Gaza targets

Posted by: II | Mar 18 2019 18:59 utc | 109


Everyone loved Bashar al Assad until he refused to cede the Golan to Israel in return for "a peace deal". Almost immediately Congress passed sanctions on Syria, and Israel and the US began preparing for his overthrow. They expected him to fold, or fall, a long time ago.

Posted by: Castellio | Mar 18 2019 19:02 utc | 110

"Sorry, Ilhan, Jews HAVE Hypnotized the World"

by Kevin Barrett, for The Unz Review 15 March 2019

I'm not linking to it here, however the article above is followed by some of the most interesting and brilliant comments that you will ever find, anywhere on the Internet

Posted by: II | Mar 18 2019 19:10 utc | 111

karloff1 @ 106, Food wastage.

At agri prod. site(s) thrown out - then spoiled or junked some ways along - via transport who need packing in and profits / corp criteria - then junked at sale point, and much more .... is about, in OECD as you say, 33% on average. Taking into account also household and restaurant / fast food outlets others / toss out.

The food being wasted / thrown out is not contradictory with its production being subsidised in the first place. What exacly happens to all of it idk, most of it rots of course. Some is used for bio-fuels, hard to figure. Here in CH we try to save about 50% of it, that is a target that isn’t reached (afaik..)

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 18 2019 19:14 utc | 112

Castellio, yeah, it seems to me that if he was going along with the CIA /Israel he wouldn't have been targeted. Now I'm hearing that Syria may retake Golan. Russia has changed it's rhetoric lately too. Interesting times. In so many ways it feels like the whole world is hanging in the balance.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 18 2019 19:48 utc | 113

vk @105 Exactly!! Thank you for making that point.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 18 2019 19:50 utc | 114

I think the insinuations against Omar and Tlaub lack mangenie, or as they say in english:they lack imagination. It is a perfectly reasonable point of view to say that the Syrians revolted against Assad. You can disagree about it, you can know better, but that doesn't make the other side a sellout. Ignoring the domestic component is also not very nice. It's reducing people to a tool of foreign agents as if they don't have any aspirations for themselves.

There is a lot of polarisation around this issue. That includes a strong tendency to put people into boxes - there only being two boxes.
I don't think the Americans were the driving force between the revolt in Syria. So in what box does that put me? First job is to see how many boxes you can think up.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 18 2019 20:04 utc | 115

any news on things in Yemen??

Posted by: Darryl | Mar 18 2019 20:13 utc | 116

Noirette @113--

My little lady and I had a conversation Saturday last about food wastage within the context of the overall homeless epidemic here within the Outlaw US Empire--two important problems we can act upon. USDA once had a program where tons of "surplus" food products could be obtained by charitable organizations (I was Food Service Director for a Carmelite Nun owned and operated retirement community in California at the time) for almost no cost: $1 for 100 pounds of flour, oatmeal, sugar, butter, for example. Field waste was a topic of discussion my agronomist dad had with colleagues during the early 1960s, and I saw plenty first hand. Mechanized tomato harvesting initially wasted almost 40% of the crop because tomatoes hadn't been properly "engineered" yet. Eye appeal's yet another addition to wastage--we came up with a store name: The Unappealing Fruit and Veggie Shop. And unfortunately, the farmers at Farmer's Markets grade their produce similarly and leave large amounts behind too. But all of that's doesn't address the topic you presented which was Socialism.

My grandparents were citrus ranchers in Southern California and they along with others formed their own cooperative--similar to a Grange--to purchase and share equipment, pool labor, and jointly market product instead of trying to vie against each other--all well before the advent of crop subsidization brought by the Agriculture Adjustment Act. The idea was to find a way to enable farmers to be productive and remain in business while meeting the populace's needs and exporting the excess with as little wastage as possible. Clearly, the ideal was never fully realized, although we still have farmer's cooperatives and Granges--Tillamook Dairy Products being the most famous here in Oregon is a massive cooperative. My studies into the matter always show the problem being the distribution network and rationing via price. How do you think a Socialist food production and distribution system ought to work?

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 18 2019 20:34 utc | 117

>>>>> vk | Mar 18, 2019 2:27:09 PM | 106

In that case, it was the CIA that tortured those prisoners, which used Syrians to do the dirty job. But those Syrians were de facto under CIA orders.

Nah, Maher Arar was rendered to the Syrians which means he was handed over to the Syrians. The CIA might have given a list of questions that they wanted answered to the Syrians and the Syrians shared the results of their investigation with the United States but that does not mean the CIA controlled the interrogation. If it had wanted to, he would have been sent to a CIA black site.
According to Wikipedia:

Arar described his cell as a three-foot by six-foot "grave" with no light and plenty of rats. During the more than 10 months he was imprisoned and held in solitary confinement, he was beaten regularly with shredded cables. Through the walls of his cell, Arar could hear the screams of other prisoners who were also being tortured. The Syrian government shared the results of its investigation with the United States. Arar believes that his torturers were given a dossier of specific questions by United States interrogators, noting that he was asked identical questions both in the United States and in Syria.


Upon his release in October 2003, Syria announced they could find no terrorist links. Syrian official Imad Moustapha stated that "We tried to find anything. We couldn't." Syrian authorities also denied that they tortured Arar.

Ironically, Arar might have be lucky being rendered to the Syrians rather than being sent like Khaled El-Masri to a CIA black site. As for the denial of torture by the Syrians, perhaps they don't regard being beaten with shredded cables as torture just SOP.

Former CIA officer John Kiriakou claims that there was debate within the CIA over whether Arar was really was a person of interest to the CIA with some believing he was an innocent man. BTW, the woman mentioned in this article appears not to be Gina Haspel but rather Alfreda Frances Bikowsky who not only fucked up with Khaled El-masri but also with the pre-9/11 intelligence failure. Why such a fuckup was allowed to go on working for the CIA demonstrates that the CIA is as about as incompetent as the Mossad fuckwits.

This in no way implies that the CIA had no responsibility for what happened to Maher Arar, it was as guilty as hell.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 18 2019 20:45 utc | 118

18 March, House of Commons, UK.

Brexit deal MUST change or I’ll block third vote

(1), John Bercow (2) says in an urgent statement.


1. for/against May’s withdrawal agreement

2. Speaker of the house who has much power to fix the agenda, the guy who yells ORRDER, ORDER.


Karlof1, thanks for all the info. details. My exp. with food comes from running school lunches in CH. Which as you may imagine was horribly challenging. As to socialism, all I meant was 'that ain't it' not more. will try to respond later. Food of course is a neglected topic, in the W ppl just think it is there, perpetually available.

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 18 2019 20:58 utc | 119

>>> Tuyzentfloot | Mar 18, 2019 4:04:29 PM | 116

It is a perfectly reasonable point of view to say that the Syrians revolted against Assad.

No it's not as it implies that all the Syrian people revolted against Assad which is utter bollocks. Take away the definite article and you have the truth that (some) Syrians revolted against Assad. Given that Assad has survived, it's even doubtful that a majority of Syrians revolted against Assad.

It was the same as is now happening in Venezuela; we are told the Venezuelans oppose Maduro when it's most likely a minority made up principally of wealthy white Venezuelans. Which is why I have a real problem with "identity politics" Democrats supporting regime change in Venezuela; they're all racist pondlife. BTW, I apologize to any newts, water boatmen or other pond life who may be offended by this use of London slang.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 18 2019 21:02 utc | 120

So I read at ZH a Grand jury was called by the DOJ a day or so after the 2nd crash and has requested documents from Boeing , presumably to determine if there was fraud or other criminal behavior related to certification and sales to customers leading to these 2 crashes

Pleasantly surprised at that

Posted by: Pft | Mar 18 2019 21:31 utc | 121


Good catch. Coincidence or not I cant say since I think both operations had to have been planned for months before the Gaza attacks, although its possible they were on standby for the right moment

Both events are rather suspicious on their own.

Posted by: Pft | Mar 18 2019 21:40 utc | 122

@Ghost Ship, ok so you made your argument. Now if someone says the syrians revolted against Assad, is that person a sell out? Or are you going to make it all revolve around the need to rephrase 'the Syrians' to avoid being too general?
I'm trying to avoid a discussion about what really happened. I'm talking about the ease with which people are classified as a sell out. Or an idiot, but mostly a sellout. This isn't just about it being unfair. It's mediocre. Even if it could be true. I think Chomsky in his most recent interview also talks about a genuine uprising against a brutal regime. I suppose that is enough for some to also call him a sellout

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Mar 18 2019 21:46 utc | 123

AnneR @ 75:

I had the impression that your original comment @ 11 might be sarcastic so I chose to ignore the sarcasm. I commented only that Syria's politics had changed since Bashar al Assad's early years as President when he might have been under the influence of his father's circle of advisors. During the first decade of his presidency, Assad (the son) certainly relied on Abdullah Dardari to take charge of economic planning and that fellow may have done a lot of damage to Syria's economy (its agriculture especially in NE Syria) by following IMF and World Bank advice to privatise utilities like water. Most of the political changes that have taken place did so after the Dar'aa violence in 2011 that led to de facto Western / Gulf oil kingdom invasion of Syria using ISIS and other terrorist groups as their armies.

As I don't know much about the CIA's renditioning programs in Syria or how Syria compares in violence to other Middle Eastern nations, I chose not to comment @ 39 on that aspect of your original comment.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 18 2019 21:46 utc | 124

@ Ghost Ship | Mar 18, 2019 5:02:14 PM | 120

” . . .it implies that all the Syrian people revolted against Assad which is utter bollocks.”

You're absolutely right. Here is the best account I've seen as to how the assault on Syria really began.

The day before Deraa -- How the war broke out in Syria

Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 18 2019 21:52 utc | 125

Karlof1 @ 118:

Canada's dairy industry operates on a supply management basis that uses quotas to determine how much farmers can produce to avoid over-supply and keep prices stable at a level that allows dairy farmers to cover their production and other costs and to live comfortably and support their families. Farmers are given a monthly quota to fill and are paid for that quota; they are not paid for overproducing but any extra milk can still be sold and the revenue from that is shared among the farmers in the area where it was produced.

This is in contrast to the situation in Australia and perhaps elsewhere (the US perhaps?) where farmers are dependent on one buyer (usually a corporate buyer like a supermarket chain) to buy their milk. The corporate buyer can dictate the price that it will pay farmers for the milk. This forces farmers to over-produce to meet that price level but the over-production drives down the price of milk even more. Farmers end up on low incomes and over time can't afford to keep their businesses going unless they get bank loans. Eventually they end up selling their farms and equipment - and guess who buys the farms? Either the original corporate buyer does or some other company does.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 18 2019 22:07 utc | 126

Jen @126--

Thanks for your reply! radicalized dairy farmers posed a big political threat at the beginnings of the Great Depression--blocking roads, dumping milk, massive almost-riots at state capitols--all at a time when millions were homeless and hungry. Dairy overproduction's still a problem here. But with the Tillamook Coop, they don't sell their milk to the public except as value-added products like cheese, ice cream, fudge, etc, although you will see tanker trucks emblazoned with Tillamook Dairy as you travel around the central Oregon coastal region. In the city of Tillamook, they have a massive production and customer service operation visited by millions of people yearly. Other cooperatives in Vermont and Wisconsin have emulated Tillamook. Unfortunately, although Granges and cooperatives had existed for centuries, they got hammered really hard during the Anti-Communist Crusade, which is why so few exist nowadays. Add mechanization, consolidation and the never ending battles with banks for cheap, timely credit, and we now have Agribusiness which essentially writes the Ag-Bill much as the MIC writes the "defense" budget. The Wallaces of Iowa and their allies would be shocked to see what's become of their collective brainchild that was the AAA, along with so much else.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 18 2019 22:27 utc | 127

I like this site because it backs up the stories with hard, researched fact. But this time I think you are way off base as a single tweet does not manifest any hard data to the extent you've taken it. And, as for the Muslim brotherhood, Qatari, etc. money flowing into their coffers you offer no evidence either. It's as if this story was concocted and co-opted by government entities and I'm sure they're applauding you. To everyone else, don't be so quick to jump on any bandwagon with doing some good, in depth research. Just sayin'...

Posted by: YounAmerican | Mar 18 2019 22:37 utc | 128

Meanwhile on the 2020 Campaign Trail:

"'Total Embarrassment': WaPo Rebuked for Failed Fact-Check of Sanders on Trillion-Dollar Wall Street Bailout"

Although Sanders's Campaign quote of Wall Street getting "a trillion-dollar bailout" is actually incorrect, he misses well to the low side as this tweet based on a chart at the linked item says:

"Replying to @MattBruenig

"Sorry, Wall Street got a MULTI-trillion bailout.

"The Fed 'provided more than a trillion dollars in emergency loans to the financial sector'

"'the shocking actual size of the bailout: $14.4 trillion'

"'bottom line: a Federal Reserve bailout commitment in excess of $29 trillion'"

IMO, this will become a much greater issue than it was in 2016, hopefully with Obama being accused of Obstructing Justice by failing to indict the Banksters. The facts are well researched, there's been no real recovery and another recession's overdue as Hudson explains in this Jimmy Dore interview. IMO, one of the reasons so many "centrists" have declared candidacies is to defend the Banksters by somehow diluting/drowning out Sanders's message. Yeah, I know about Sanders, but he continues to spout the right stuff, and the WaPost helps by echoing what he says, which is again echoed when it gets the numbers totally wrong. Try 30 Trillion Bernie!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 18 2019 22:49 utc | 129

The journalist Cory Morningstar also pointed out that Ms. Occasio-Cortez and The Ilhan
are wolves -just wolves-.
Cory Morningstar is @elleprovocateur on Twitter, and is a very prolific writer
on the making of Greta Thunberg and on eco-fascism among other subjects.

Posted by: Mishko | Mar 18 2019 22:52 utc | 130
this website re ew Zealand shooting is interesting.. claims the shooting was a false flag.

Posted by: snake | Mar 18 2019 23:12 utc | 131

@123 No, Chomsky is indeed not a sellout... he is just getting old.

Posted by: Vato | Mar 18 2019 23:30 utc | 132

AntiSpin @ 125

The article you cited above is excellent and comports with my understanding of Syria and the relative obscurity of Deraa as a staging ground to ignite such an enduring conflict. Deraa is an out-of-the-way destination for travelers but its proximity to Jordan is very convenient for the clandestine transfer of personnel and material.

Knowing how vigilant Syrian internal security forces have traditionally been, I questioned how they would allow Libyan plants to enter in numbers without being detected. Normally, a visa to Syria is only valid for 14 days and one has to either leave the country or report to immigration for renewal. The latter is no easy process as I have experienced it myself.

Then I remembered that Syria had a policy of granting visa entry to any citizen of another Arab country, contiguous or not. This had been the case when Syria welcomed hundreds of thousands of refugees from Iraq fleeing the US invasion in 2003. Many still remain there. The regime changers used that calculus to their advantage.

The article is worthy of serious examination as it is also consistent with the reporting of investigative journalist Hersh who outlined the hegemonic neoconservative strategy of using extremists as tools for 'controlled chaos' to create a political landscape friendly to Israeli and US interests.

That a degree of internal dissent existed prior to 2011 is not disputed, but that a majority of Syrians were willing to take up arms against an admittedly autocratic but secular government is beyond the pale. The proliferation of Islamic fundamentalist zealots with weapons merging into ISIS and various other labels is in no small way a result of the earlier depredations in Iraq and an insidious strategy to corral them into Syria as proxy forces of regime change. Worth reading for anyone interested.

Posted by: metni | Mar 18 2019 23:31 utc | 133

AnneR #11
duped - drought. Not saying you are doing it on purpose, or that you should not go there.
But still:
-It is usually politicians that do the duping. And honest-to-god grassroots aside,
AOC-Omar-Tlaib have been put where they are for a purpose.
As they need to show -some of- their hand because they are public figures and mean to manipulate
(if not to deceive outright) this purpose becomes clear.
-Drought<->climate change? Is this the famous climate change all those kids
are skipping school for? Or ... -shock, horror- geo-engineering?
Iran already voiced its complaints on this matter.

Posted by: Mishko | Mar 18 2019 23:42 utc | 134

#11 AnneR
On the climate change subject: it is a setup, the kids are manipulated into wagging
the stupid aldults: but that is not all.
Their actions provide bureaucracies with a carte blanche (to increasse public spending
to insane heights, or take other even more invasive measures).
Try looking at it this way: what if everybody marched and protested for free public transport?
OMG socialism! Stone/burn/hang the heretics for their blasphemy!!

Posted by: Mishko | Mar 18 2019 23:51 utc | 135

#103 Noirette
Haha, social democrats as in Peter Thatchell's version of social democrats?
Whatever (I am convinced word mean things) the definition, these people give it its
bad reputation, drag its name through the mud.
The whole tweaking and gaming of the economic apparatus has become just so much nonsense.
For myself I have accepted there is no longer -if ever there was- any common ground
between what is called so colloquially The Economy and the general population.
Who do they keep trying to fool? It is a giant neo-liberal circlejerk.
It is not my economy, nor that of my neighbours or even of my city or country (Netherlands).
Spending power: gone for the most part.
The subsidising here, the sanctioning there, we can rest assured that big aggro/GMO, pharma,
finance and the MIC are doing well.
Gilets Jaunes: it is not just the farmers in India that take suicide as a way out.

Posted by: Mishko | Mar 19 2019 0:15 utc | 136


a long read but it is facts that were already known to us since February 2011 and now others are learning about the truth:

According to Abu Mansour, in 2014 Turkey was trying to play a double game with the West: to allow foreign fighters into Syria but make it appear as though they were taking measures to prevent it. “Turkey wanted to make it easy for foreign fighters to cross the borders,” Abu Mansour explains. “They just want to control, they need to be known, and how they enter, so they ask me to tell who has entered and where. Actually, the Turkish side said, ‘You should reduce, change the way you do it, the way you cross. For example, don’t come with a group to enter because it’s clear that a bunch of people entered. Enter only specific gates. Come without any weapons. Don’t come with long beards. Your entry from north to south should be hidden as much as possible.’”

Posted by: Yul | Mar 19 2019 0:30 utc | 137

>>>> snake | Mar 18, 2019 7:12:52 PM | 131


You can find a copy of the video here - no sign of any fully automatic fire at any point so that Veterans Today post is total bollocks. The shooter unloads several magazines (~180 rounds) on semi-automatic fire so the video showing the fat bearded man firing an AR-15 (>800 rounds) on full auto that blows up is irrelevant. As for this video being a fake, show me the breaks in filming - there are none. Also, forget everything you've ever seem in the cinema about people being shot - that sliver of metal has too little kinetic energy for what you see in the movies of people being thrown backwards but it has enough kinetic energy to destroy soft tissue inside the body. The rounds disappearing when he fired off in the street outside the mosque - I'm guessing it's a feature of whatever digital camera he was using and how he was live-streaming it which would require compression and make the cartridges appear to disappear. The event in Christchurch is what that arsehole who filmed says it was. Personally, I never want to see it again.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 19 2019 0:41 utc | 138

>>>> snake | Mar 18, 2019 7:12:52 PM | 131


You can find a copy of the video here - no sign of any fully automatic fire at any point so that Veterans Today post is total bollocks. The shooter unloads several magazines (~180 rounds) on semi-automatic fire so the video showing the fat bearded man firing an AR-15 (>800 rounds) on full auto that blows up is irrelevant. As for this video being a fake, show me the breaks in filming - there are none. Also, forget everything you've ever seem in the cinema about people being shot - that sliver of metal has too little kinetic energy for what you see in the movies of people being thrown backwards but it has enough kinetic energy to destroy soft tissue inside the body. The rounds disappearing when he fired off in the street outside the mosque - I'm guessing it's a feature of whatever digital camera he was using and how he was live-streaming it which would require compression and make the cartridges appear to disappear. The event in Christchurch is what that arsehole who filmed says it was. Personally, I never want to see it again.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 19 2019 0:43 utc | 139

This being an open thread, I hereby kindly submit some of my favourite sources of information.
YouTube: -The Quantum Of Conscience channel - The UK Column News program, every mo/wed/fri
Podcasts: - Global Research News Hour
-Sunday Wire with Pattrick Henningsen and usually also Mike Thompson
-The Boiler Room, current events/news/information discussion
A saying by Brian Gerish from the UK Column:"It is always jam in the future, never jam on the table." -

Posted by: Mishko | Mar 19 2019 0:49 utc | 140

#139 Ghost Ship
I subscribe to the internet cliche that what has been seen cannot then be unseen.
For me this means I do not watch beheadings and executions or other carnage.
The australian journalist Joe Vialls who invesigated the Port Arthur massacre found
that high accuracy in spree shootings (steady aim and so on) is a rare skillset.
OTOH the killer's weapon was a semi-automatic.
I myself do lean towards the aanirfan blog's views that the official story
almost always "leaves a lot to be desired" so to speak.
As with the manifesto and the timing of the event (another attack on Gaza),
and demonising the right/alt-right. (plus delayed police arrival)
I am an awful person, so I had a little chuckle about Eco-Fascist and Remove Kebab .
If it reads like click-bait, sounds like click-bait and garners clicks like click-bait,
it could very well be click-bait, could it not?

Posted by: Mishko | Mar 19 2019 1:13 utc | 141

Here is a link from Xinhuanet that I think reflects well on China

Xi stresses ideological and political education in schools

In the West you don't get to learn about how the social structure is organized, nor are you told you automatically belong to the God of Mammon religion, whether you want to or not.

Yes, China is talking about an "ism" (which I hate for the current usage). But they are doing so within a context that they expect to grow into what works for is called evolution and the West is lacking capabilities in this regard.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 19 2019 1:24 utc | 142

AS @ 125: Thanks for that link. b also covered that "uprising" very well, with video showing gunmen on rooftops firing on everyone, ala the Ukrainian "uprising".

A telling excerpt from that link;

"The CIA agents running the Deraa operation from their office in Jordan had already provided the weapons and cash needed to fuel the flames of revolution in Syria. With enough money and weapons, you can start a revolution anywhere in the world. "

Case closed. Another CIA fueled "uprising" to attempt regime change.

Posted by: ben | Mar 19 2019 1:40 utc | 143

Just found this news on Disobedient Media. Zero Hedge have reposted it as well.

"Evidence Indicates Link Between North Korean Embassy Break-In And Christchurch Attacks"

Apparently the North Korean embassy in Madrid (raided in February this year) and the two Christchurch mosques where Brendon Tarrant (and possibly three accomplices) shot 50 people dead are of similar size. There were also apparently similarities in the way the suspects used two vehicles to escape the crime scenes.

Still reserving my judgement until there's more information.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 19 2019 1:50 utc | 144

@128 YounAmerican.. stick around.. there are mostly facts to back up comments here.. this was just a quickly done week in review that had some tidbits... the facts for these quotes you challenge are around, if you are serious about finding them..and, i don't believe many here jump to quick conclusions..

@144 jen.. i read that yesterday on disobedient media... not sure about all that, so i am in the same boat as your last line..

Posted by: james | Mar 19 2019 2:16 utc | 145

Psychohistorian @142

Interesting point. Both socially and economically, China seems to be the only country with a long-term vision. Which is probably why it's winning. The 'Green New Deal' is the closest US & Europe have to any 'plan' today, but it's too little too late.

Jen @144

If those are the only similarities, I won't bother checking the link.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for 'finding links' that most everyone misses. But similar sizes?
There's attempts at creating tension and conflict in many different arenas recently. That's the only common theme I can see here.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 19 2019 2:31 utc | 146

Jen, james

I saw that too but the similarities noted seem superficial or tenuous. Similar sized buildings? LOL.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 19 2019 2:32 utc | 147

Originally I was going to leave the NZ shooting alone. Tragedy to be sure but surely not much more than some psycho muslim hater, or so I was initially prepared to believe

But a few things have caught my attention since. In no order of importance.

1. Level of censorship. Ten years for linking to the video? We saw much worse than that on CNN during 9/11. Social media censors working OT. Almost like systems are being tested for effectiveness

2. Lack of alt media conspiracy sites to really question much , disinformation specialists at VT excepted (where the owner admits 40% of what they post is false so they can report on the 60% truth). Good luck figuring out which is which. He did link to the video though.

3. Police response time. Supposedly the police made it in 6 minutes after it was reported. Only 2 miles from mosque according to one report. Not a lot of traffic. Not great IMO although I guess they have little crime and few cops. Supposedly their goal is within 10 minutes of a life threatening emergency. A special armed tactical unit arrived at Al Noor Mosque four minutes after the first officers, or 10 minutes after the initial emergency call. Supposedly it normally would have taken longer, with team members summoned to a police station to suit up. On Friday, though, they happened to be in a training session in the city center and wearing their gear. Just like 9/11 a training exercise was ongoing when an attack happens. Coincidence?

4 I wont say much about the video Most of the damage was done in about 3 minutes during his first tour inside. Then he went out for 1- 2 minutes to get another rifle and then shot up the bodies inside for another 2 minutes before going back to the car to head to the other mosque. No sign of the cops . He certainly did not seem to be afraid of the cops arriving when he went through the mosque a 2nd time at a leisurely pace. That makes me wonder if he knew how much time he had. Perhaps he tested response time with some fake calls beforehand. It also made me think he has been in similar situations before and shooting up people is not new to him despite no military service. I didnt see anything fake about the video but I dont know much about guns. It was eerily quiet though but people were probably too scared to do much. Many looked as if they may have been playing dead but that didn’t work well for them

5. I have seen a couple of different photos of the shooter. One from his video where he looks in his 40’s. Another in MSM of a younger leaner guy in Turkey looking late 20’s. Maybe the same guy, who knows or he aged a lot recently. The NZ official photos of the killer when he was captured and then in court block out his face. The video of the capture is regionally protected. The lack of pictures of him is a bit strange given his travels and all.

6. Officials confirmed the arresting officers involved were from Lincoln, a town about 20 kilometers, or 12 miles, from central Christchurch. Local news reports said the officers just happened to be in Christchurch on the day of the attack. Its unknown how they captured him without an exchange of fire although a video shows him being pulled from the car with little resistance. Didn’t seem to be the type wanting to spend a lifetime in jail. Hmmm.

7. Travelled to some pretty interesting places over the years. NK, Turkey, Syria, Pakistan, Balkans, ring alarm bells. Duff says Israel too but take that with a grain of salt.

8. Supposedly had some inheritance or bitcoin investment that paid off to finance his travels. International travel even for budget travelers is not cheap especially to places where you dont speak the language or know the culture/territory. Authorities should be able to confirm that pretty easily

Obviously its being investigated and some stuff wont come out quickly for understandable reasons and there may be explanations for other stuff

Posted by: Pft | Mar 19 2019 2:40 utc | 148

>>>>> Jen | Mar 18, 2019 9:50:42 PM | 144

Yet more total bollocks - just watch the video while you still can - there was no breaching involved, the front door was open and the perp just walked in after shooting whoever was standing in the doorway. There was one perp and the others have been released even the one with a weapon who was intending to help police. Ms Ardern says the perp held a Category A gun licence which enabled him to legally obtain semi-automatic weapons. I can't be bothered checking any more "facts" but the article is garbage unlike much of the stuff posted at Zero Hedge.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 19 2019 2:47 utc | 149

On the newest debate, Socialism vs. Capitalism; It's a phony debate cooked up to scare the
morons here in the U$A, who are obliviously clueless about the economic history, here in the U$A.

Since the mid 1930s, we've had a MIXED economy. Facets of private enterprise, and facets of
publicly funded enterprises( social security, schools, police and fire depts, as well as highways.)

This mixed economy, arguably saved capitalism, and created the greatest increase in the U$A middle class this country has ever known.

Until the middle 80s, when Ronald Reagan and his Ayn Randian friends convinced the American public individualism was more important than the health of society.

It's been downhill ever since. A mixed economy is the real debate. But, the dumb ass corporate dems, will never let that debate happen.

Money talks...

Posted by: ben | Mar 19 2019 2:49 utc | 150

Daryl @117
Mintpress News has a lot of reporting on Yemen.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 19 2019 3:01 utc | 151

*Darryl* Sorry about that.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 19 2019 3:02 utc | 152

Only one Brexit mention?
Is the subject considered 'done', or is Britain seen as a basket case anyway?
London can only hope for 'something big' to happen somewhere in the world, lest it has to capitulate. The multiple hotspots we're seeing in recent months are surely just a coincidence.

ben @150

I wonder - a mixed economy was probably the right thing in the 50s, but is it in today's situation?
There's no room left for 'growth' or expansion, instead we are facing an ecological disaster and social crises. Is there any profit in trying to repair those? Can capitalism deal with the necessary reduction of resource use, while still providing for society's needs?
Maybe there's some room left for it, but very limited imo.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 19 2019 3:18 utc | 153

>>>>> Pft | Mar 18, 2019 10:40:26 PM | 148

6. ............Its unknown how they captured him without an exchange of fire although a video shows him being pulled from the car with little resistance............... Hmmm.

He should have put on his seat belt.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 19 2019 3:34 utc | 154

So I read this interesting article on an Israeli news site linked below, and I'm wondering: Wow! Is this all true, or is it hyped up to scare Isrealis into voting for Netanyahoo or a worse lunatic? There must be a lot of Israeli operatives running around Syria and Iraq to gather all this intel.

If it's true, good! I'm glad Iran is preparing for the worst and building strong alliances and trade partners.

Hezbollah beat Israel in 2006. Now Hezbollah has more and much better weapons and it's been tested in Syria. Those chickenshit IDF don't stand a chance. They better just hand over the Golan Heights and get the hell out.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 19 2019 4:26 utc | 155

Mishko 141
It does not take a rare skillset to shoot fish in a barrel. All it takes is lack of empathy, and that is not so rare.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 19 2019 4:28 utc | 156

s @153 asked; ". Is there any profit in trying to repair those? "

May I suggest looking up the "green new deal."

As we move to renewable forms of energy, millions of jobs will be created, or do you believe people will work for free?

Infrastructure rebuilding is what's needed, and that's very labor intensive.

Posted by: ben | Mar 19 2019 4:41 utc | 157

Tulsi Gabbard on CNN

Posted by: ben | Mar 19 2019 4:43 utc | 158

On China's vision:
“By about the year 2000 Communist China will be a “superpower” built by American technology
and skill.” - Antony C. Sutton, American Secret Establishment published 1984
There are connections between US-Russia-China through the Rothchilds and Rockefellers.
Also Mao is supposed to have been a Yaley/Yale man. (the best men are Yale men - not)

But this is now: ve haf ze technology and there is a shiny and Green New Deal.
Which is not so much a deal as a capitalist scam to unlock between 90 and 100 trillion dollars.
Straight from the worse-than-suspected department:

Posted by: Mishko | Mar 19 2019 7:35 utc | 159

#155 @Circe:

Things would not be so bad if it were just Israel (Samson option).
But as the situation stands it is Israel + USA + UK + France.
My angle is the one of the plotting and conspiracy that was Balfour.
With hindsight we might deduce that the globalist muppet retired general's reveal
of "the pentagon's plan" on Democracy Now has been decades -if not a cool century-
in the making.

Posted by: Mishko | Mar 19 2019 7:46 utc | 160

Here's a good list of early violence against Syrian state if you want it

I think it is easy to overstate the importance of this. I was against regime change from the start and I hardly knew about any of these events. And I did take the arab spring aspirations seriously. The basic constraints of the situation were that at least half of the population was in favor of the government and probably never less than half. And the external players would throw in everything they could a the first chance to ruin the country . To what extent they had already started was secondary.

Posted by: tuyzentfloot | Mar 19 2019 9:16 utc | 161

Zero Hedge, LiveLeak blocked, sharers warned of jail as NZ censors crack down on mosque attack video

New Zealand police are warning citizens they’ll face 10 years in prison for sharing the Christchurch mosque attack video, and a host of websites have been blocked as censors scrub the shooter’s manifesto from the internet.

Posted by: John Doe | Mar 19 2019 11:39 utc | 162

Verizon. Pfizer. Bank of America. U.S. Corporations Are Funding Israeli Settlements

Tax records show that the foundations of well-known corporations are funding settlements that are considered illegal under international law.

Posted by: John Doe | Mar 19 2019 11:40 utc | 163

Christopher Steele's Former MI6 Boss Calls Dossier "Overrated"

In yet another stunning blow to the so-called "Steele Dossier" assembled by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele, the former chief of the (MI6) said the hastily cobbled-together report by his former employee is "overrated" and its salacious claims against Donald Trump unlikely to be verified, as the Daily Wire's Ashe Schow reports.

Posted by: John Doe | Mar 19 2019 11:42 utc | 164

Germany Backpedals On NATO Spending Promise As France Goes Full Throttle

Germany is poised to renege on its promise to boost NATO spending, backtracking on a public commitment last year by Chancellor Angela Merkel to increase German military expenditure to 1.5% of gross domestic product by 2024 - bringing it closer to the 2% level set by NATO themselves, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Berlin currently spends around €43 billion ($49 billion), equal to just over 1.2% of GDP on defense. Under a new plan unveiled on Monday by the finance ministry, the spending would rise to just 1.37% of GDP next year, then decrease again to 1.33% in 2019, 1.29% in 2022 and 1.25% in 2023.

Posted by: John Doe | Mar 19 2019 11:53 utc | 165

“Mr. Trump told Deutsche Bank his net worth was about $3 billion, but when bank employees reviewed his finances, they concluded he was worth about $788 million, according to documents produced during a lawsuit”

A Mar-a-Lago Weekend and an Act of God: Trump’s History With Deutsche Bank

Posted by: John Doe | Mar 19 2019 11:55 utc | 166

French Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly:

“The alliance should be unconditional, otherwise it is not an alliance. NATO’s solidarity clause is called Article 5, not article F-35.”

Posted by: John Doe | Mar 19 2019 12:07 utc | 167

Flooding at a U.S. Air Force base in Nebraska that damaged buildings and forced the removal of a plane integral to the nation’s nuclear attack response highlight the risks climate change poses to national security, experts said on Monday.

Last week’s “bomb cyclone” storm flooded about 60 structures including 30 buildings at the Offutt Air Force Base, said Ryan Hansen, a spokesman for the 55th Wing, a unit providing reconnaissance, intelligence and combat support to U.S. leaders.

Eight planes in the 55th Wing had to leave the base, Hansen said, and workers might not be able to assess damage to hangers and maintenance buildings until the end of the week.

One of the planes was a Boeing-made E4-B plane, one four the Air Force has that are meant to serve as an aerial command center in case of national emergency or destruction of ground bases, such as in a nuclear attack.

Posted by: John Doe | Mar 19 2019 12:30 utc | 168

The French National Assembly has approved the creation of a new Franco-German assembly that would see the two countries represented in a single parliament.

Posted by: John Doe | Mar 19 2019 12:37 utc | 169

Criticising Tulsi and Ilhan for not following our party line (simple truth, cause we're kibitzers and can afford it) is like criticizing Gilad for pretending to believe in the Holocaust. Or Ron Paul, speaking of blowback re 9/11, when he knows very well it was a Jewish operation and no Muslims were involved except for a few Saudis in a very minor role. I am definitely holier than them. Which is why no one has heard of me except at best on websites such as this.

Posted by: sarz | Mar 19 2019 14:10 utc | 170

karlof1 @ 118. The family farm in the S of France produced the ‘usual’ of the region for own use + local trade, exchange -- the Cash Crop, money earner, was flowers for the perfume industry, 1955 say >, killed off by synthetics, 1975 >.

It became a cooperative (Communists!) and did extremely well - by branching out into non-agri, some services, restoration, etc. NOT agri processing / transf. which was strangled by big corps, end points aka supermarkets, with the exception of olive oil which remained locally controlled. That is one prob right there! (Farm still exists today.)

My studies into the matter always show the problem being the distribution network and rationing via price.

Yes, the distrib. circuits (> Susan George etc.): scandalous malfunction which could easily be greatly ameliorated, if the will was there, that it isn’t is symptomatic of the whole W industrial agri / food biz-system, including fast-food, prepared dishes, etc. It is built on ‘profit’ (incl. subsidies.. and how they are obtained, lobbied for etc.) and dependent on selling ‘the best’ to the ‘highest paying customer’ - a common model. (Therefore the waste.)

Dale Allen Pfeiffer showed that for, take it as ‘about’, 10 calories of food on a typical plate in the USA, only 1 calorie comes from sunlight, the rest is care of fossil fuels, FF: fertilizer - pesticides - mechanized agri (combine harvesters etc.) - transport - processing (factories) - refrigeration - more transport, conditioning, etc. I don’t recall if he took packaging into account, no matter. Ex.



So agri-food biz is locked into a staggeringly complex and vulnerable! system of reliance on fossil fuels. I still haven’t answered your qu. :) .. Just some of the prelims to be taken on board.

mishko 136, ‘social democrats’ are as you say jerking around :)

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 19 2019 15:35 utc | 171

karlof1 and noirette... thanks for the ongoing conversation on food waste and more generally the agri-biz... the little people were pushed out a long time ago.. it is all major corps calling the shots now as i see it.. after reading a number of wendell berry books i became very disillusioned with what is happening with food in canada and the usa today.. even if there are still some '''small''' farmers going, they are forced into using products of big agribiz... at some point if we are ever to take back control of our lives from the control of corporations, it will have to start in this area...

as for waste - i agree with all you both say.. here where i live, the grocery stores donate food to the soup kitchens and stuff like that, but that is a different way and only one of many ways that could be encouraged more..

Posted by: james | Mar 19 2019 15:59 utc | 172

Maybe yet one more reason USA had to blow Ukraine up before too late: Russian wide-gauge railways was extending to Austria, making a direct cargo route from China to the hub of Europe...

Since China considers building high-speed railway in Russia, it would only then take to stretch 1520 gauge to Chinese export hubs to get a very efficient OBOR railway directly into Austria. Well, if not for EuroMaidan coup.

15th of November 2018: Authority procedure underway for new railway line in Slovakia and Austria

The project's implementation will make it possible to avoid overloading at the stations connecting Europe's narrow gauge railway lines to the wide gauge used in the Former Soviet Union, Finland and Mongolia, and also to shorten the delivery time of goods from Europe to East Asia in comparison with the sea route.

Many European countries are attracted to the new railway line and terminal: Slovakia, Austria, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Slovenia, Serbia and Croatia.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 19 2019 16:25 utc | 173

@ Noirette, karlof1 and james with the agraibiz comments...thanks

I posit that if PROFIT were not in the middle of all of it agrabiz would not look anything like it does today.

Big agribiz only exits because profit; otherwise it is very inefficient and wasteful.

The West has been sold that choice in product selection is like freedom and must never be questioned as to validity

Do any here remember milk being delivered locally in recycled containers? Do any think that concept could not work and scale if PROFIT were not the driver in all things?

Humanity could thrive again, IMO, if it can find its way from under the jackboot of global private finance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 19 2019 16:46 utc | 174

So here is Trump's first White House public address after the NZ massacre where a white supremacist with a writen manifesto that revvered the Trump MAGA political movement, claimed the lives of 50 men, women, children of Muslim faith, in NZ, Trump is seen holding his MAGA hat in plain view....
President Trump attends the Gr3-ek Indepence Day celebration

Will Gr3-ece become a proxy country for WWIII attacking Tur k3y/Ru5 sia?

Same day, US B52 escorted with Gr3-ek A.F. f-16 from Cr3-te to Cyp-rus then turned north towards Bla-ck Sea, Cr1-maia.

Posted by: WWW proxies | Mar 19 2019 16:50 utc | 175

Very long article about Yellow Vests punctuated by videos and written by the man there on the ground. He says the next big demo will be May Day, which makes perfect sense, although the weekly protests will continue nationwide. His narrative sets the ground for a provocative interpretation and comparison to events after France's WW2 capitulation--Macron and previous neoliberal governments are the Vichey equivalent to the EU-Reich, with Yellow Vests playing the part of the Resistance. It would be good to learn from those within France if his interpretation is valid; for me, it does seem plausible.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 19 2019 16:50 utc | 176

Gazprom, Nordstream, Turkstream

Same day:
19 March
Successful connections made between TurkStream offshore section and landfalls
The final weld that connects the offshore and the nearshore sections of TurkStream was completed, marking the finalization of the entire pipeline system in the Black Sea.

Posted by: WWW proxies | Mar 19 2019 17:00 utc | 177

I look forward to reading the article you linked @176, thank you. I agree with you, Jen and others about the state of our very precarious food production and distribution system. I also agree that co-ops are the solution, or at least a really big part of it.

You mentioned Tillamook and that tied in to something that's been on my kind for a while now. I lived in Oregon for 11 years, in the Portland area, now I live in a small college town in a former slave state whose original inhabitants were forcibly removed and driven to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears. The name of the people, whose survivors today number about 1,500 living on a reservation in Oklahoma, is on everything here. Businesses, clinics, apartments, social services, it's everywhere but I've talked to people here who had no idea what the name even meant. It's the same with slavery, the signs of it are everywhere,and people seem oblivious to it. Even Tillamook is the name of a people, so is Willamette. I'm not trying to pick on you or start a fight, I just keep wondering how you think there was ever a time when the US wasn't an Outlaw Empire.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 19 2019 17:25 utc | 178

...what if everybody marched and protested for free public transport?

Hello to all. Here is an historical analog, where everybody marched; in this case, for public education.

The teachers of the CNTE marched in 2009, overflowing the principle plazas of Taxco, Acapulco and Chilpancingo, joining forces with the teachers of Morelos and Oaxaca to reject the privatization of wducation in México.

The magisterium vigorously defended both its own profession and the principle of public education itself.

As for privatization of education, those teachers repeatedly declared that they would never accept this, because it was against the letter of the Mexican Constitution.

Contingents of parents and students supported the teachers in their demands by joining the large and growing demonstrations.

With an impressive display of spirit, the teachers directed their steps all the way to the plinth of the Zócalo and Plaza of the Constitution of Mexico City, from there, the miners, the teachers, and the parents of the students of Guerrero, marched arm in arm with their swelling numbers of supporters, all the way to the doors of Los Pinos, the official Residence of the Mexican President.

However, television stations, radios and newspapers, by “blindfolding the ox”, manipulated images to discredit the educators, assuring viewers that the mentors were lazy, that they only wanted to get their pay checks without working, that they were irrational, and that they were violent nonconformists and chronic complainers.

Strangers joined the marches to commit flamboyant plunder, destruction, and to set fires in public buildings; reasons for the intervention of the police and television news crews.

The expressions of mass popular enthusiasm for resistance to the education privatizion reforms in the year 2009 (along with wide-spread support for the striking silver-miners) was impressive. See for yourself:

However, before a popular electoral political process could develop naturally,
the insertion of cash money into the society sowed greed, envy, mistrust, and chaos, as a
savage so-called “narcowar” erupted in Guerrero, with massacres, revenge killings, extortion, kidnapping, tortured, stabbed, dismembered, decapitated, flayed, burnt alive...

Evidence of the new flamboyant violence was displayed on bridges, and in the public squares.

A heightened sense of insecurity made guerrerenses almost forget about the teachers’ marches and the red flags of the striking silver-miners.

The ill-gotten money invaded the places where there was no work and the peasant “saw it”, and by it he was able to support his family.

...what if everybody marched and protested for free public transport?

One might expect to suffer a senseless supposed Gang War (or equivalent) in one's city or home town.

Posted by: Guerrero | Mar 19 2019 17:54 utc | 179

Noirette @171--

Thanks for your reply! Yes, I've long been aware of the degree of fossil fuel inputs into ag, particularly the use of NatGas for fertilizer manufacture which became part of Peak Oil discussions. This is more for those reading our discussion as you've perhaps already read Michael Pollan's The Omnivore's Dilemma as this and his other works are excellent introductions to the issue. Since the book's now online, I suggest reading the intro and first chapter about Corn, and I guarantee you'll get educated thanks to Pollan's excellent writing and investigating.

My heritage is actually farming and I was indeed a farmboy, growing up in California's Central Valley, the Outlaw US Empire's #1 Food Basket. But I went into food industry's restaurant and institutional foods segments for my first career that lasted 30 years. Both sets of Grandparents were able to keep their agricultural businesses afloat during first Prohibition (vineyards) then the Great Depression, but none of their children wanted to continue in that line of work, although a small portion of the vineyards, orchards and outbuildings of our "Ranch" in Cucamonga were thankfully preserved by my visionary cousin--otherwise, almost all former traces of that past were erased by Suburbia. With luck, the land and contents will be designated an Historic Landmark and preserved for future generations.

Generational farming is what occupies Flyover Country and a huge portion of it just got crushed by this last Winter's events--particularly ranchers in Nebraska. The NY Times took time out from its generating Fake News to do some actual reporting on the disaster and its victims. At least the reporting is honest about the fact that many farmers and ranchers were already under great financial stress due to Trump's Trade War and the usual banking/credit pressures. Prices for whole beef have fallen 40%+ as ranchers try to recoup something from their decimated herds. At present it's difficult to tell the depth of affect this disaster will have on row crops as the flooding's very widespread and will continue into April and possibly May given the pressure on the Missouri and Mississippi river systems.

Within The Omnivore's Dilemma there's Chapter 8 which is about Joel Salatin's farm, which I found outstanding and prompted me to do more research into his methods. Many similar farmers here in Oregon have adopted or modified his system. Unfortunately, his techniques don't insulate his operation from the whims of weather and climate. Ultimately, the challenges facing farmers and ranchers--not BigAg--are the same as they were 10,000 years ago. There's an excellent book I bought shortly after moving to Oregon, Five Acres and Independence, but at 63 IMO I'm too old to try and start farming. Making food products like my Smoked Walla Walla Onion Relish and Curried Ketchup is more my speed. As psychohistorian, myself and others know, Socializing the farming sector will require publicly owned finance and the ending of private finance as the Progressive Populists of the late 19th Century advocated, but that in itself probably won't be sufficient as the entire marketing chain would remain Capitalistic.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 19 2019 18:07 utc | 180

@180 karlof1... the smoked wall walla onion relish sounds good! all of michael pollans books are good.. i mentioned his most recent book - 'how to change your mind' a couple of months ago here at moa.. he is a big fan of wendell berry too- someone i keep on mentioning!

Posted by: james | Mar 19 2019 18:20 utc | 181

Alright then. Peace.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 19 2019 19:33 utc | 182

mourning dove @179--

Thanks for your reply!

A fair question, certainly. The Empire aspect is easy as the entire Western Hemisphere was declared an appendage of the prevailing European Christian Empire soon after "discovery" in 1494 by The Treaty of Tordesillas. The Outlaw aspect, however, is context dependent which I've always based on the advent of a unified agreement on what constitutes International Law beginning with the ratification of the UN Charter in 1945--that is until now having done some additional reasoning. My additional reasoning concludes that Tordesillas itself is unlawful--that it violates the fundamental tenets of Judeo-Christian Law given by God (known as Mosaic Law--The Tablets) that not even a Pope has the power to overturn, which is what occurred in 1494. Unfortunately, laws still being enacted within the Western world are based on the extremely immoral "reasoning" of Tordesillas. The Abrahamic Religions all acknowledge that all humans were made in God's image, so none can be in- or subhuman, and not being Christian doesn't render one nonhuman. Since all are God's children according to doctrine, then all ought to be treated equally unless they violate some aspect of God's Laws and require discipline--but that still doesn't render anyone inhuman. At the time, there was pushback, but the decidedly unChristian Dictatorship of the Inquisition was in power and few chose to challenge it. And of course, myself and psychohistorian would argue that the God of Mammon was clearly in control as greed was obviously the underlying motive for Tordesillas.

Unfortunately, the change in distinction doesn't have power to alter anything, although in certain quarters being in violation of Divine Law carries more weight. That the Papacy has yet to renounce and abolish Tordesillas sends a powerful unspoken message. Then there's the question begged of Asia, particularly China, but also India, regarding Empire. But that will have to wait for some other time.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 19 2019 19:39 utc | 183

Thank you, I appreciate your reply but it doesn't really answer my question. I'm not talking about European Empire, I'm talking about the US Empire. Maybe I don't understand the distinction you are making, but it was the US that committed genocides and ethnic cleansing across this land. It was a systematic campaign and official government policy, complete with a propaganda campaign and a glorious sounding name - Manifest Destiny.
While the US was a colony, it's fair to say that it's on the UK or France or Spain, but as soon as the Constitution was ratified, and a new empire established, there is no one else to blame.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 19 2019 20:14 utc | 184

mourning dove @185--

Even as colonies, they were their own empires. And all the laws written to justify Genocide and Slavery were based on Tordesillas. One might say the "blame" was inherited; for as soon as the disparate colonies became nation, they became Empire--prior to the establishment of the 1787 Constitution. Also, it wasn't just the US that committed Genocide: England, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Russia--all the colonizing nations--did the same thing all based on the same edict--Tordesillas. True, some were more civil than others, but that distinction is essentially meaningless.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 19 2019 20:33 utc | 185

Yet another example of the sick, dysfunctional US culture and its complete moralistic unhinging:

"A gun store in St. Peters, Missouri, is under fire after creating a poll on its Facebook page that asked followers whether Friday’s massacre of Muslims in New Zealand was a 'tragedy' or 'f**king great.'"

At the time of the screenshot capture before the page was deleted, 15% said fucking great.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 19 2019 20:48 utc | 186

So, as to my question of how you think that there was ever a time when the US wasn't an Outlaw Empire, your answer is what exactly?
And are you saying that the Constitution was based on Tordesillas? Or that since other empires did the same or similar that it somehow cancels out culpability?

I'd point out that some of those you mentioned are not still being ruled by the same governments,the US is. The same government that enacted a systematic campaign of extermination of the indigenous peoples, is the same government that is threatening Venezuela right now. And Iran. And Syria. The list goes on.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 19 2019 20:49 utc | 187

I should say most of those you listed have different governments now.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 19 2019 20:55 utc | 188

I won't go on about this if you don't want to reply, I'll just share a last thought on the subject.
The Trail of Tears and similar "relocation" projects are a very early examples of "public-private partnerships" and military contractors. By outsourcing, the US government achieved it's objectives and made a lot of people rich. It's brutality, death toll, and immorality were of no more importance then as they are now.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 19 2019 21:42 utc | 189

Mike "lardball" Pompeo is getting everything prepared for The Rapture.

US State Department under fire for secrecy surrounding 'faith-based media' press conference

No transcript - what was talked about is a secret. I would predict the only people who were invited were those who expect Jesus to return and do the monster mash on all folks who don't belong to their narrow little sects.

Yes, Pompeo is getting ready. Another thing he just did:

The State Department’s newest Human Rights Report describes the Golan Heights as “Israeli-controlled” instead of “Israeli-occupied,” a linguistic change sure to fuel criticism that the Trump administration is bucking global consensus on Israel’s reach.

The change comes as conservative U.S. lawmakers are pushing to have the Golan Heights recognized as part of Israel. If President Donald Trump goes along with that, it would be the latest of several pro-Israel moves on his part, including moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.

Next step will be to describe the Golan Heights as part of the apartheid Jewish State. Just like the Orange Disaster has done with Jerusalem.

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Mar 19 2019 21:47 utc | 190

Karlof1 @ 187: I doubt that fans of a gun shop in a small town (population of less than 60,000) in one of the less wealthy states of the United States are representative of the American people.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 19 2019 21:53 utc | 191

@ karlof1 who wrote about ending private finance
but that in itself probably won't be sufficient as the entire marketing chain would remain Capitalistic

Actually, marketing and sales are the first to go because the profit motive will no longer be there to support their manipulative ways.....consumption for consumption sake will go away, thank goodness.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 19 2019 22:30 utc | 192

Why Illan Omar is a fraud as proven by herself. The flash-in-the-pan fizzled out quite rapidly.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 19 2019 22:50 utc | 193

Amazon is banning four Nation of Islam Black history books that discuss Jewish involvement in the slave trade

There's a recent article discussing this at Unz Review, called "Amazon Bans the Secret Relationship Between Blacks & Jews"

Here's an excerpt:

"Amazon provided no warning, no reason, no hearing, and no opportunity to respond — it was a blatant mockery of Amazon founder Jeffrey Bezos’s own creed, “Democracy Dies in Darkness.”

It is, however, perfect proof of what The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad said: the mental resurrection of Black people will anger our oppressors and cause them to react punitively and viciously.

Bezos’s book purge came in the midst of the extraordinary political spectacle engineered by an awakened Congressional wonder woman named Ilhan Omar. Her exposé of the Zionist-Judaic underbelly of the American political system in the most unflattering way.

Rep. Omar asked, “Why is it ok for me to talk about the influence of the NRA, of fossil fuel industries, or Big Pharma, and not talk about a powerful lobby that is influencing policy?”

Posted by: anon1984 | Mar 19 2019 22:53 utc | 194

mourning dove @188-190--

The US Empire has always been an Outlaw thanks to Tordesillas. Even as Colonies, the policies of the parent empire were followed. Indeed, some of the most heinous incidents occurred during the Colonial Period--look at Massachusetts Bay Colony. Of the nations I named, only Russia differs today; and it is only listed because of the actions of its fur traders, not because of national policy. Of the listed nations today, only Russia is a practitioner of the Rule of Law.

Jen @192--

No state within the Outlaw US Empire is without such human vermin and the same occupy the halls of power. There's a very good reason the divide is termed Culture Wars. And how else is one to explain multiple generations of gross immorality! Other members of Earth's human community await a time when the populous within the Outlaw US Empire regain a moral compass that's never really existed--such is at the root of my discussion with mourning dove. George W Bush was the POTUS who said the USA will never apologize for its past actions, no matter how heinous, and he was never severely criticized for his stance, and in many quarters he was praised. Overall, there are a few good souls here in the USA, but there hasn't been enough to change the evil direction of the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 19 2019 23:16 utc | 195

anan1984 @195--

This isn't the first book purge by Amazon; it's part of a trend. Please click the link at 194 to see that Omar's very inconsistent at best and knowingly duplicitous at worst.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 19 2019 23:19 utc | 196

@ karlof1 #197

No time to respond to this right now, and so I've copied a comment from the Unz Review (in the recent Ilhan Omar thread, where Rurik is responding to Cowboy who has just called Ilhan Omar

a "lying muslim bimbo"

Rurik (comment #162 on Unz Review topic "Sorry Ilhan, Jews HAVE Hypnotized the World")

"I’ve got to get busy with some things, but I also just wanted to say I personally don’t really care if she’s a perfect person outside of the context of the conversation she’s forcing our nation to come to grips with.

It’s kind of like when Rosie O’Donell came out telling everyone to look at Building Seven of the World Trade Center.

Wow! I thought. What an act of courage to personally take on the Fiend!

I knew Rosie would likely want to see me castrated for being an unapologetic white, straight male, but insofar as that particular proclivity of hers was unlikely, I set it aside and heralded Rosie as a great American truth-teller.

It’s the same with Ms. Omar.

Right now I don’t care if Ms. Omar is a communist at heart, or a Muslim or a castrating sh*tlib, or really anything else.

For me, it’s enough that she’s doing the unthinkable. She’s pointing out that the Zio-emperor is not only naked, but that (((he’s))) got America’s throat in his zio-grip, and is using America to do evil all over the planet.

If the gal turns out to vote for handing the Golan over to the Fiend, then you sir, will stand vindicated for your foresight.

But for now, I strongly support her, and what she’s doing."

Posted by: anon1984 | Mar 19 2019 23:32 utc | 197

Thank you for your reply. We are in agreement. I wasn't taking the position earlier that the colonies were blameless, rather saying that the argument could be made that atrocities committed were on the parent empire as you put it. The same argument becomes invalid after the constitution was ratified.
I agree with you about Russia, that's where I find some hope, however, I wouldn't say that it is the only country from that list that is different today. Spain isn't an empire, it's just a country, and I haven't heard anything about Portugal invading anyone. France may be still imperialist but there's no king. With the US, it's the exact same constitutional government.

Posted by: mourning dove | Mar 19 2019 23:42 utc | 198

@ anon1984 who wrote about Ms. Omar
But for now, I strongly support her, and what she’s doing."

I agree and even though I despise the values of our Liberace grifter in office, I am glad he is there to show the sick true face of what was the dream of America that got co-opted by the elite of empire.

People are discussing the FAA and how it was a good idea when it was formed but got co-opted by the financialization of the US over the past 50 years. Think about how the Fed/Treasury was sold to the public in 1913 and to say now that the Fed/Treasury are run by the elite of empire is an understatement......but shhhsh, they have the myth of capitalism to keep the faith breathers in line......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 20 2019 0:12 utc | 199

Karlof1 @194

re; Omar's fawning tweets of Hillary and Obama.

Judging by her smiling public persona, I would guess she received acting lessons from the former president.

Posted by: metni | Mar 20 2019 0:56 utc | 200

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