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February 24, 2019
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2019-11

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

Acting President John Bolton convinced his puppet that it should leave the U.S. troops in Syria. Elijah Magnier explores what that means: US forces will stay in Syria: Negotiations with the Kurds will be complicated, as Syria prepares for an Idlib offensive

The neocons are struggling to decide which country will be the next one to invade. Venezuela, Iran, Nicaragua, Cuba, North Korea, … So many good choices but so little time …

Meet Bill Browder: The Man Behind the Magnitsky Myth. Videos of Browder disposition in the United States in which he contradicts all his public tales about the Russian fraud case against him, and ofthe fate of his accountant Sergei Magnitsky – Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4

Use as open thread …

Comments

@Circe @100

Tump can go back and keep his job pleasing the Zionist elite that installed him.

So far as I’m concerned Hillary was the dream candidate for the apartheid Jewish state. That the zionists have made a terrific rebound in capturing Trump seems to me to be another story entirely. At a guess, I’d say the job was done with a combination of flattery, bribery, and naked force.
I’ve tuned out the Mueller thing, but suspect it was part of the leverage used to get control of Trump. Again a guess, but I’d say Trump was totally in bed with the Russians – and everybody else with whom he thought he might run a scam. But this was “business”, as in making promises and squeezing money out of them. Things like Trump University. With proper handling the cost of the failures would fall mostly on the “investors”. And in the worst case, there was always the fifth or sixth bankruptcy.
Trump didn’t expect to be president – that was a humongous publicity campaign financed by the Corporate Media. I don’t think Pence was expecting anything besides getting some national exposure which might lead him becoming Senator from Indiana in 2018.
I’m very glad Hillary isn’t perched in the White House, but the price of avoiding that has been higher than I expected. Speaking of the devil, I read some ugly stuff at the 2:00 news part of Naked Capitalism.

Clinton (2): “EX-CLINTON POLLSTER: Hillary will run if Biden doesn’t — or field is ‘too far left’” [The American Mirror]. “After defending Clinton’s credentials as ‘one of the most experienced politicians around,’ [Mark] Penn went on to say of the reported recent confabs between Hillary and declared candidates, “Those meetings are going to be somewhat awkward because she hasn’t declared that she’s not definitely running, and she, in fact, at the same time is looking over the field and I think will make a decision later in the year whether or not to run herself. Penn said the chances of Hillary running depends on how the field shapes up. ‘If the party looks too far to the left and there’s no front runner, she’ll get in,’ he said. ‘I think if Joe Biden gets in, that probably means she won’t run if he gets in. If he doesn’t get in, I think the field will be open for her,’ Penn said.” • She’s tanned, rested, and ready!

That fits right in with my belief that the corporate Dems would prefer Trump’s second term or Pence’s first term to any decent Democrat being elected. I’ll be saying this over and over – while Sander’s foreign policy credentials stink to high heaven, the prospect of him being “decent” in domestic matters isn’t too awfully bad.

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Feb 26 2019 6:37 utc | 101

Zachary Smith | Feb 26, 2019 1:37:24 AM | 102
Mueller [investigation]… suspect it was part of the leverage used to get control of Trump.
Well, the “Russia meddled” scare-mongering has worked well as a means of reviving anti-Russian McCarthyism. It even ensnared Wikileaks and Michael Flynn (both of whom were CIA/Deep State targets).
And, why would the Deep State allow an unvetted person to assume control of the Presidency? They are too careful for that. In fact, all recent President’s have some connection to CIA: Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama. Felix Slater, an FBI informant worked for Trump for over a decade while informing on the Russian mob, and most of Trump dubious Russian oligarch connections are actually more loyal to Israel than Russia.
Trump didn’t expect to be president
That’s funny, given the fact that he bragged that he would win and that he was the ONLY populist running for the Republican nomination (out of 19 contenders!). And none of the other candidates (many of whom are seasoned campaigners) sought to alter their strategy when the saw Trump pulling ahead?!?!
Oh, and Hillary helped her friend Trump win when she alienated key constituencies (Sanders progressives, Blacks) and energized Trump’s base by calling them “deploreables”.
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Oh, sorry, these things are supposed to be memory-holed. Hope you and MoA readers don’t suffer from too much cognitive dissonance from such facts.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 26 2019 7:26 utc | 102

>>>> frances | Feb 25, 2019 7:44:32 PM | 96

Its not like Government or Industry Backed Science has never been proven wrong before; Tobacco, Eugenics, Asbestos, Lead, DDT, Child Labor, Cocaine, Heron, etc., were all declared safe or necessary in their time.

How is child labor anything to do with science? It was and still is a moral issue.
Eugenics also is a moral issue.
As for cocaine and heroin, they, in and of themselves are safe, it’s the criminal enterprises that sell them often with support from some parts of the government that make them dangerous. Legalize the sale of drugs and make it a government monopoly and the opioid crisis will go away.
With tobacco, asbestos, and lead, at the time they were introduced into widespread usage, the science was incapable of determining whether they were safe or not. After all almost everyone believed in the Miasma Theory. Once science had caught up, that it took time to end that widespread usage was not the fault of science but government and industry.
DDT is much misunderstood and its history is a good demonstration of the scientific method working. I could post the Wikipedia article in its entirety but as a courtesy I include a link, it’s well worth reading.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Feb 26 2019 8:20 utc | 103

>>>> frances | Feb 25, 2019 7:23:55 PM | 95

Looks like they went for one vaccine for measles, not sure that is a reversal more like an exception?

Nothing whatsoever to do with measles – it was a pneumococcal vaccine that was alleged to be faulty. That Natural News fails to mention such an important point and conflates a faulty batch of pneumococcal vaccine with other vaccines tells me it really can’t be thought of as a reliable source on scientific information. I’m sorry but anyone who does think of it as a reliable source is an idiot.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Feb 26 2019 8:42 utc | 104

Frances
Most of the anti-vaxxers claim that it’s Thiomersal, a mercury compound, in the vaccine that causes the autism. Two points, while mercury is poisonous to humans and can cause genetic mutations, autism is not one of the results and more damningly Thiomersal was removed from most infant vaccines in the summer of 2001. So where is the drop in autism rates among infants vaccinated after the summer of 2001. You can’t find it, because Thiomersal DOES NOT CAUSE AUTISM.
BTW, people like NemesisCalling are perfectly happy to continue suggesting that Thiomersal is the problem even though they should know that it’s no longer currently used in most regular infant vaccines, and when that is pointed out to them they just ignore it.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Feb 26 2019 11:52 utc | 105

@frances, nemesis, trailer (& others I may have missed)… your clearly stated arguments are appreciated… but then again I’m a “climate denier/anti-vaxxer”
As far as I’m concerned, the “other side” has yet to PROVE their points in a sufficient manner that will make me open my wallet and/or sacrifice my children on fascist causes. Until then, no dice…
As for @90, if actually true… “‎I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences of attending to too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it”
Thanks b for MoA Fight Club‎

Posted by: xLemming | Feb 26 2019 12:08 utc | 106

@Ghost Ship | Feb 26, 2019 6:52:38 AM | 106

…mercury is poisonous to humans and can cause genetic mutations…

Mercury is a persistent neurotoxin, and that has been known since at least the 1960s yet the vaccine manufacturers continued to use it for another thirty years. Are you okay with that?

Posted by: Ross | Feb 26 2019 13:35 utc | 107

@104 Ghosty
Eugenics and child labor may be moral issues but how do these differ from the subject of compulsive vaccination when the argument given is also a moral one?
Eugenics and compulsory vaccination, which is what I address in my posts, not thimerosol like you imagine, are argued as essential for the greater good and the “health” of society, and yet you will notice that in both cases, individual liberty is forfeited.
As pft has mentioned before, science consists of theories and disproving them. It is constantly evolving as the veneer of human arrogance hopefully chips away to give us a clearer picture.
But it can be used for nefarious and political means, something you fail to consider when examining the subject of compulsory vaccination, if you have even taken two moments out of your agenda-laden day to question how the science around compulsion could indeed ever be settled. (Not to mention the philosophical ethical question of such compulsion)
And I will ask you nicely that if you are going to address me, please read and address the substance of my posts rather than consistently setting me up as a straw man.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 26 2019 13:50 utc | 108

NemesisCalling
Answer my question.
Where is the massive drop in autism following the removal in 2001 of Thiomersal from most infant vaccines? You can’t see it because vaccination doesn’t cause autism.
I read your posts even though it’s a complete waste of time. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with anything you write.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Feb 26 2019 14:13 utc | 109

quasi-related to vax debate, I recently discovered an incident perpetrated against Arabic Jewish children by the Zionist state in the 1950s
The shocking story of Israel’s disappeared babies

Posted by: xLemming | Feb 26 2019 14:23 utc | 110

>>>> Ross | Feb 26, 2019 8:35:12 AM | 108
Vaccination has saved millions of lives. Without Thiomersal as a preservative, more people would have died from Staphylococcus aureus infections as a result of vaccination. Although inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury in Thiomersal has a much longer half-life in the brain, at least 120 days, it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood. The world without vaccination and Thiomersal would be far worse than it is now.
So, yeah, I am okay with that.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Feb 26 2019 14:30 utc | 111

ghost ship you are confused you get a kosher vaccine the rest of the goy slobs get the monkey virus mercury vaxs
keep up the good work my boy

Posted by: clark | Feb 26 2019 14:38 utc | 112

@110
Another straw man!
Check my posts…no mention of autism or thimerosol, though I would never dismiss outright the potential from damage from adjuvants that are proven potent neurotoxins.
Face it, Ghost Ship, you are a company man through and through, towing the company line. Dangerous, you are. True believers seem to dot the landscape wherever you go now.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 26 2019 14:52 utc | 113

reply to Grieved 99
Thank you! This is such a truly fine forum and for you to respect/value my comments is high praise indeed, thank you again:)

Posted by: frances | Feb 26 2019 15:54 utc | 114

reply to james 101
James, thank you! That is very kind of you, I greatly value your comments and those of Grieved’s as well, thank you!

Posted by: frances | Feb 26 2019 15:57 utc | 115

reply to ghost ship 104
“…..at the time they were introduced into widespread usage, the science was incapable of determining whether they were safe or not.”
Exactly the point I have been trying to make. And as the testing today of vaccines is minimal. We have gone from 10 vaccines in the 80’s to something like 69 for children today; I see no basis for blind trust.
BTW, I value your comments, have for years,less vitriol would be appreciated. Peace.

Posted by: frances | Feb 26 2019 16:11 utc | 116

reply to NemesisCalling 109
Yours is an excellent post, the issues and implications underlying the calls for forced vaccines are not stressed enough, thank you.

Posted by: frances | Feb 26 2019 16:17 utc | 117

Frances at 65 — yes the perfume bottle could be a plant as you suggest (not photoshop) by MI5 (or whomever), sure. i did write ‘allegedly’, ‘assumed’ or clear words to that effect…. the trick is to figure out if so, or not. anyway never mind. these details aren’t on their own of much interest with grand debates on the menu –:
One way the PTB fool and trick ppl is to get them all riled up about side issues. Like vaccines. This gets the public, particularly parents, mothers, loving their littles, into crazy hyper mode, absorbing their energy to ‘contest’ in any way, question other matters, such as crap schools, heath care, corrupt pols, etc.
They get involved in groups, stick to their principled guns, argue to the death (sic), watch pols for attention to ‘their issue’, and on and on. They have been deprived of even the most basic rights in a just society (ex. basic health care) and are shunted to the corridors of the losers, they don’t realise it, yes they are viewed with cynical, and calculated, disdain.
That does not mean vaccines should not be discussed. On a medical board..?

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 26 2019 16:55 utc | 118

india and pakistan conflict is heating up.. that is really unfortunate… i suppose all that money ksa pays for sunni terrorism is paying off… the usa must be happy as they’ve supported ksa funding for terrorism all along..
when will the world address these wahabbi -salafi- etc. etc. nutjobs??

Posted by: james | Feb 26 2019 17:02 utc | 119

@ james who asked

when will the world address these wahabbi -salafi- etc. etc. nutjobs??

They are a feature of the Western way, not a bug. Tell the sexual abuse victims of the Catholic church there abuse isn’t as bad as abuse from other nutjobs
They are a useful fringe sector of the monotheistic religions that render the faithful for the central monotheistic religion, the God of Mammon
I consider monotheistic faith breathers all nut jobs. I think that once one stops taking personal responsibility for their lives by having faith that someone else’s rules absolves you from personal responsibility for everything you do, you are on a slippery slope to zombiedom

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 26 2019 17:41 utc | 120

reply to Noirette 119
Why so dismissive of photoshop as a possibility, after all, all you have ever seen to validate these perfume boxes is photos.
“…these details aren’t on their own of much interest with grand debates on the menu..”
Au contraire (a tip of the hat to Clouseau). Details are what good detective work is all about.
“One way the PTB fool and trick ppl is to get them all riled up about side issues. Like vaccines. …That does not mean vaccines should not be discussed. On a medical board..?”
So we should avoid issues of compliance that may lead to death and mental aberration and focus on more important stuff? And maybe let the “experts” talk instead??
Respectfully can you hear yourself:)
Posted by: Noirette | Feb 26, 2019 11:55:37 AM | 119

Posted by: frances | Feb 26 2019 18:13 utc | 121

reply to james 120
when will the world address these wahabbi -salafi- etc. etc. nutjobs??
I think this may not be just the usual religious nutjob play. I think this is a neocon effort to drive a wedge between Russia who is pals with India and Iran who is pals with Pakistan..ideally Russia and Iran will step in and together shut this down.

Posted by: frances | Feb 26 2019 18:17 utc | 122

@123 frances.. i agree that the neocons are involved in spades here.. lets hope your viewpoint happens… i see it as an ongoing challenge as i believe many in pakistan have been radicalized to a very insane form of belief – thanks ksa’s ongoing involvement in the madrassas’s for the past 20-30 years… we’ll see.. pakistan has a lot of problems and borders on a failed state, which ironically is just the set up that the neo con gang love… i say failed state, as it seems beholden to so many others financially..

Posted by: james | Feb 26 2019 18:41 utc | 123

reply to james 124
I agree it Pakistan certainly has its problems, I just read China is speaking with them both and givn the financial and political clout of the Belt programs they may listen.

Posted by: frances | Feb 26 2019 19:42 utc | 124

Transcript of Valdai Club Hanoi Meeting of Lavrov’s opening remarks and press Q&A is now available. Yes, they are long and quite detailed, and contain a great amount of information about what’s been happening behind the scenes that seldom gets reported. The portions devoted to Kim-Trump and that overall situation are just one topic amongst several discussed–no, Venezuela wasn’t specifically discussed. I found Lavrov’s recap of actions related to Eurasian integration very helpful as much has been accomplished over the past few months. The following comment relates to Korea but can be extended to fit overall international relations:
“I believe that at the end of the day, the multilateral format will prove to be indispensable. Safety guarantees that must be given to North Korea, should full denuclearisation take place, must be absolutely reliable, although this will not guarantee anything – excuse me for tautology. I have cited the examples of UN Security Council decisions being simply put aside and new rules, on which nobody had ever agreed with anyone, invented.” [My Emphasis]
In a recent essay, Caitlin Johnstone described the Outlaw US Empire as Godzilla. I think she’s 100% correct.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 26 2019 20:53 utc | 125

Congressperson Khanna has submitted Resolution (pdf) “Calling for a formal end of the Korean war.”
According to this item, AOC is one of the co-leads, amongst others.
Perhaps knowing that a politically palatable resolution’s been forwarded in Congress, Trump will do the right thing and formally end the war.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 26 2019 23:06 utc | 126

Lavrov at the Valdai Club Hanoi Meeting. So much common sense in what is coming out of Russian leadership. Working with countries rather than dominating or imposing ideologies.
Rare in todays world. Even here at the comments section of b’s blog, often moves to one size fits all when it comes to governance. A country – a nations, culture is the sum total of its history, and all are different. This is something the Russian leadership recognizes and works with, rather than against.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Feb 27 2019 7:50 utc | 127

Occasionally I find it cathartic to slip into name calling
I read an interesting description today I don’t remember reading before and it is “orange shitgibbon”
Of course with apologies to gibbons, oranges and shit of all kinds
Another characterization that I like and made up myself is “Liberace grifter”
Of course with apologies to Liberace
It was also fun today to read the testimony of Cohen to the Congresscritters about what a honorable man Trump is NOT while he is in Vietnam trying to make a name for himself in history outside of the ones mentioned above
Will Liberace grifter ever get an acting award for his presidential performance?
Ok, that felt good, thanks for reading

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 28 2019 3:08 utc | 128

From Xinhuanet

DAMASCUS, Feb. 27 (Xinhua) — A Syrian-Russian joint coordination committee demanded in a statement Wednesday the U.S. forces to withdraw from Syria, according to Syrian state news agency SANA.
The Joint Coordination Committee for Return of Syrian Refugees said in a statement that the U.S. must withdraw its forces, which are illegally present on Syrian soil.
The Syrian government in coordination with the Russian side will organize humanitarian convoys as of the beginning of March to help return the displaced Syrians in the Rukban camp in southeastern Syria to their areas, said the statement.
The U.S. forces in the al-Tanf area are preventing aid convoys from reaching the camp, which is controlled by the rebels near the Syrian-Jordanian border, it said.
The humanitarian convoys would reach the area in coordination with the UN, the statement added.
The Syrian and Russian sides opened two humanitarian corridors near al-Tanf for the evacuation of people from al-Rukban on Feb. 19.
The statement charged that the U.S. forces in al-Tanf were preventing the people from leaving the camp.
The Rukban camp is home to 50,000 displaced Syrians, who are suffering from the harsh humanitarian situation because of the cold weather and lack of supplies.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 28 2019 3:36 utc | 129

If Mueller or the US media were ever serious about bringing down Trump, then why did not never investigate his known connections to the mobster Felix Sater, or to the billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, and his Lolita Express for the ruling class?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzvMXeZm_Sk&bpctr=1551360023

Posted by: anon707 | Feb 28 2019 13:19 utc | 130

Putin appeasing Netanyahu again,
Israel, Russia Mull Creating Group on Foreign Forces Pullout From Syria – Source
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201902271072811121-israel-russia-syria-group-forces-pullout/
The logic would be if Russia, Syria, Iran, Hezbollah work to force Israel, western states out. But no. Putin choose to work with the aggressors in Israel instead.

Posted by: Zanon | Feb 28 2019 16:52 utc | 131

Re vaccinations.
So we should avoid issues of compliance that may lead to death and mental aberration and focus on more important stuff? And maybe let the “experts” talk instead?? Respectfully can you hear yourself:) frances 122
Come for dinner, have a chat ! etc.
Do you have children? Did you oppose vaccinating them and succeed? How old are they? Are you yourself / spouse etc. vaccinated (against what)? Did you feel taking a strong position against vaccines was a noble or necessary act that protected your family, your children or others in the world, like Iraqi children, ppl in Madagascar, Ukraine? Did you make public arguments in that direction? Are you in a ‘caring position’ (doc, nurse, teacher, etc.) which has lead you to oppose vaccinations, based on your experience of illness, infections, etc.?
If personally involved, I’m like totally accepting and willing to discuss. I myself have some criticism of vaccines, other story.
>> andrea black 140 at hotmail dot com
Guessing no response would like to be proved mistaken.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 28 2019 18:06 utc | 132

In Face of Yellow-Vest Critics, France Moves to Criminalize Anti-Zionism
(by Guillaume Durocher)
“The French Jewish intellectual Alain Finkielkraut was recently profusely insulted by yellow-vests on the margins of a demonstration.
This attack has been widely-portrayed as anti-Semitic, even though the yellow-vests in question explicitly attacked Finkielkraut as a Zionist.
It is true that “Zionist” is often used as a euphemism for “Jew.” But it is also true that many anti-Zionists are happy to befriend genuinely anti-Zionist Jews such as Gilad Atzmon (himself an associate of Soral’s). Finkielkraut was likely attacked for his values rather than his ethnicity.
This subtlety did not prevent the incident from triggering a veritable pro-Semitic moral panic across the entire politico-media class. The media lamented the “anti-Semitic” attack on Finkielkraut and he was comforted by politicians from across the political spectrum, from the far-left to the far-right” including the bulk of prominent nationalist and identitarian figures.”
Not sure if it’s okay to link to the Unz Review here or not, so to read more search:
“In Face of Yellow-Vest Critics, France Moves to Criminalize Anti-Zionism” by Guillaume Durocher, writing for the Unz Review, February 24, 2019

Posted by: Harras | Feb 28 2019 22:49 utc | 133

@ Harras # 134
Careful now, you’ve stepped on the Third Rail
But at least you’re doing better than anon707 #131 who didn’t so much step on the Third Rail, as dive on it full length

Posted by: Nando | Mar 1 2019 14:01 utc | 134

“Israel is playing a big role in India’s escalating conflict with Pakistan”
by Robert Fisk
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51184.htm
from the article: “Israel’s arms trade with India is legal, above-board and much advertised by both sides.”
Israel – as usual – is allowed to sell to all comers… all sides.
The more wars/conflicts globally… the richer Israel becomes. Israel WANTS/NEEDS endless wars!!!

Posted by: Nando | Mar 1 2019 19:21 utc | 135

Putin hopes Israel ties will continue to grow despite Netanyahu’s ‘situation’
https://en.trend.az/world/israel/3027120.html

Posted by: Zanon | Mar 2 2019 12:21 utc | 136

As usual, the reports from OPCW is useless,
Chlorine ‘likely’ used in alleged Douma chemical attack, no nerve agent – OPCW‘s final report
https://www.rt.com/news/452800-opcw-douma-chlorine-syria/

Posted by: Zanon | Mar 2 2019 14:34 utc | 137

@ Zanon | Mar 2, 2019 9:34:15 AM | 138
Actually, it’s – the report that is – quite helpful for those who want to see. Skimmed through that report the other night and it doesn’t give hard numbers (maybe? -ha- on purpose) instead it’s full of subjunctives – ‘maybe’, ‘possibly’ and ‘likely’. What I’ve seen so far the traces of Bornyl chloride they found can be explained easily without the employment of munitions carrying elementary chlorine as effective payload. The basics:
2-ammino-2,4-dinitro-toluene + hypochlorite -> TNT +Cl2
ClO4- (oxidizer in perchlorate-based explosive compositions) -> Cl2 + Cl- + CLOx + O– + O2 in a detonation reaction
Cl2 + conifer gum (which contains alpha-Pinene = Camphene = Bornane) -> Bornyl chloride = 2-chlorocamphene = alpha-Pinene hydrochloride
OCl- + conifer gum (alpha-Pinene) -> Bornyl chloride

Posted by: Hmpf | Mar 2 2019 16:00 utc | 138