Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 02, 2019

The War On Syria Strengthened The Anti-Zionist 'Resistance'

Veteran Middle East correspondent Elijah Magnier predicts the further development of the war on Syria. The U.S. is leaving and the Arab Gulf states are coming back to Damascus to balance against Turkey. The Kurds will stay with Syria and Idleb will be liberated. His largely positive view rhymes with the recent analysis presented here.

Magnier though adds an important point which I did not make. The war on Syria has led to new relations that will soon haunt its main instigator:

Indeed the Levant is returning to the centre of Middle East and world attention in a stronger position than in 2011. Syria has advanced precision missiles that can hit any building in Israel. Assad also has an air defence system he would have never dreamed of before 2011 thanks to Israel’s continuous violation of its airspace and its defiance of Russian authority. Hezbollah has constructed bases for its long and medium range precision missiles in the mountains and has created a bond with Syria that it could never have established if not for the war. Iran has established a strategic brotherhood with Syria thanks to its role in defeating the regime change plan. NATO’s support for the growth of ISIS has created a bond between Syria and Iraq that no Muslim or Baathist link could ever have created: Iraq has a “carte blanche” to bomb ISIS locations in Syria without the consent of the Syrian leadership, and the Iraqi security forces can walk into Syria anytime they see fit to fight ISIS. The anti-Israel axis has never been stronger than it is today. That is the result of 2011-2018 war imposed on Syria.

How long will it take for Israel to gasp this new reality?

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@90 LoL.

Yes the Anti Israel Axis has never been stronger and soon it will be time to address the 70+ year old elephant in the room, the root of all evil in the Near & Middle East, the Palestinian issue..

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 3 2019 14:09 utc | 101

Agreed. Trump can't back out of the Syria pledge- there never was any love for him in official Republicandom, they'll turn on him like a pack of hyenas if he bails on this pledge. Deplorables are watching this closely also, their kids are the ones in danger after all.

Posted by: morongobill | Jan 3 2019 14:52 utc | 102

"No questions from journalists nor from anybody else...

Media silent as UN panel details organ theft and staged attacks by the White Helmets." Sasha@93

Among the questions that nobody asked is "Who sold the organs. And where were they sold."
According to the Council of Europe report on the organs from Serbian prisoners taken by the Albanian crimninals who now style themselves the Kossovo 'government', they were taken to Israel and sold there.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 3 2019 14:56 utc | 103

It seems that a key indicator will be the choice Trump makes as to whom to replace Mattis with.

Posted by: paul | Jan 3 2019 15:29 utc | 104

I will shit and vomit on anyone who refers to Persian Gulf as “Arab Gulf” or “ The Gulf”.

This is not a local dispute btw. It started with British filth.

Posted by: Persian Gulf | Jan 3 2019 15:33 utc | 105

Re: PG

Why is about half this thread feeding this troll? As B says, "Don't feed the troll". As to which regime he works for, well, it is pretty obvious which one wants to disrupt the conversation.

More interestingly, having got that out of the way, I agree with
Posted by: ToivoS | Jan 2, 2019 10:36:43 PM | 64
that regardless of whether Trump says he is slowing down on the pullout from Syria or not, events are largely overtaking any putative reversal. As far as Trump is concerned that may be either intentional or unintentional, but I am pretty inclined to think it may be intentional (although I think his hand was probably forced in part by Erdogan's blackmail, but he may also have wanted to strike back at the neocons).

There is so much going on behind the scenes that we have no access to, especially as regards Trump himself.

I think Trump is pretty stupid in some ways but he is also probably very brilliant in other ways (that is, a madman type of brilliance, not a balanced brilliance - I am no Trump fan! It is also a very dangerous game he is playing). It could be that he has been playing the neocons all along, I don't know, i.e. playing them in such a way that they destroy themselves.

What for example Lindsay Graham was saying after meeting him is a little bit disconcerting, but has to be put into the context that Lindsay Graham is (a) an ultra ultra ultra stupid moron, (b) an intense enemy of Trump, and (c) an intensely disgusting person. If Trump can play him like the idiot that he is, why wouldn't he?

Being over optimistic about Trump is very much a fool's game, but he definitely has SOME advantages over more conventional politicians - I just hope he won't get us into a nuclear war (but even that has to be tempered by the fact that his critics are massively MORE likely to do so). All the most crucial questions remain completely unclear.

The thing about Trump is that his real game plan might be totally different from what it seems to be.

Posted by: BM | Jan 3 2019 15:45 utc | 106


Dont take my word for it, look whats going on (no overthrown regime or even threat i.e. rioting - nothing).
Besides your main argument makes no sense: If arab leaders dont need to care about the arab populations, why do they need to keep it a secret as you alleged?
Besides keeping a secret from whom? Arab people arent dumb, they know whats going.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2019 15:50 utc | 107

i must admit i did resisst for a long time but once i excepted my fate i understood that slavery is good.
the rabbi i simply too strong what is weak goy gammon against hard firm temple walls.
succomb eye say already

Posted by: terry cattle | Jan 3 2019 15:52 utc | 108

Numerous nice posts from Robert Snefjella in this thread, thanks Robert. Your comments are always worthwhile.

Posted by: BM | Jan 3 2019 15:53 utc | 109

Grieved asks:
I don't know if they're doing it deliberately from some principle or just from natural inclination, but based on the continual failures we now see of the strong-arm approach, I would bet on the long-lasting success of their conciliatory approach.

A kindred, if different explanation, might be -- and I thought this was something I had seen Grieved him/herself say -- that this is fruit of the imperial mindset. It simply does not take into account the wishes, needs, interests and aspirations of other states and peoples considered vassals or savages by the empire, which renders it diplomatically incompetent.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Jan 3 2019 15:58 utc | 110

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3, 2019 10:50:15 AM | 107
"Besides your main argument makes no sense: If arab leaders dont need to care about the arab populations, why do they need to keep it a secret as you alleged?"

You're obviously more ignorant about the Middle East than even I had thought.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 3 2019 16:19 utc | 111

Ross @91--

Thanks for providing that info. The situation the "former" French African colonies were in always puzzled me; but my attentions were focused elsewhere, and I never investigated. One of my goals for 2019 is to rectify my ignorance.

Victory Through Peace!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2019 16:42 utc | 112

Pompeo impersonates Nikki Haley and displays how pathetic he truly is.

And talk about doubling-down on stupid, the Outlaw US Empire's Navy announced it will indeed contract to build 2 more usless aircraft carriers.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2019 17:06 utc | 113

Typo. sed 's/gasp/grasp/'

Posted by: radiator | Jan 3 2019 17:07 utc | 114

It's not the "Arab Gulf" states, Bernhard. It's the Persian Gulf. Duh. I'm surprised you don't know this.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Jan 3 2019 17:13 utc | 115

@113 Not totally useless. Building carriers consumes a lot of material and employs a lot of people. Kinda like pyramids.

Posted by: dh | Jan 3 2019 17:15 utc | 116

"Building carriers consumes a lot of material and employs a lot of people. Kinda like pyramids.'
Better yet it involves massive transfers in taxes from the pockets and dinner tables of working people into the bank accounts of capitalists.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 3 2019 17:44 utc | 117

dh @116--

I thought about including the quote provided in the item by Virgina's Senator Kaine that proves it's exactly what you imply--a jobs program lined with graft for the usual players:

"Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), a Senate Armed Services Committee member and a proponent of the two-carrier buy from the Virginia-based Newport News Shipbuilding yard, said in a Dec. 31 statement that 'I’m thrilled the Navy has decided to pursue a block buy for aircraft carriers, something I’ve been advocating to save billions in taxpayer dollars and offer more certainty to the Hampton Roads defense community. This smart move will save taxpayer dollars and help ensure the shipyards can maintain a skilled workforce to get the job done. Newport News builds the finest carriers in the world, and I know they are ready to handle this increase in work as we make progress toward the Navy’s goal of a 355-ship fleet.'"

Another reality exposed is the depth of depravity utilized by BigLie Media and the need to overtly censor war critics that has created a large backlash while generating new media outlets aimed at overthrowing the BigLie Media monopoly. Also displayed was the ability of social media to be used against Hybrid Warfare gambits like Color Revolutions as this linked tweet demonstrates. Injected into this mix are numerous fearless female journalists motivated to expose the lies and provide the truth: Vanessa Beeley, Eva Bartlett, Caitlin Johnstone, Shamine Narwami, and Partisangirl are just a few examples.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2019 17:46 utc | 118

Trump doesn't need to set a date for withdrawal.
Politically, it is very convenient for him to allow Democracts to fight against withdrawal and so underscore their hypocrisy to their own constituents.
The resulting de facto realignment of Kurds with Syria also accomplishes the same strategic goal.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 3 2019 17:52 utc | 119

there is a useful article at Counterpunch today, bearing on this subject:
It occurs to me that any settlement in Palestine delivering even the most minimal justice will have to involve the nationalisation and common ownership of all land.
This article by Greg Maybury:
is also very good.
To help put the history into perspective here is a quotation from Bertrand Russell in 1970- a speech delivered just after his death and among the last things that he wrote:

‘…[E]very new conquest becomes the new basis of the proposed negotiation from strength, which ignores the injustice of the previous aggression. The aggression…must be condemned, not only because no state has the right to annex foreign territory, but because every expansion is an experiment to discover how much more aggression the world will tolerate….We are frequently told that we must sympathize with Israel because of the suffering of the Jews in Europe at the hands of the Nazis. I see in this suggestion no reason to perpetuate any suffering. What Israel is doing today cannot be condoned, and to invoke the horrors of the past to justify those of the present is gross hypocrisy.’

Posted by: bevin | Jan 3 2019 18:47 utc | 120

bevin @ 117

"""Building carriers consumes a lot of material and employs a lot of people. Kinda like pyramids.'
Better yet it involves massive transfers in taxes from the pockets and dinner tables of working people into the bank accounts of capitalists.""

Yes indeed.

I'm not a fan of PayGo though. (tax to spend) Just another way of introducing austerity.

Fund programs to increase jobs and take care of people.

Balance the economy not the budget.

Posted by: financial matters | Jan 3 2019 18:59 utc | 121


Thank you so much for the excellent 'another reality exposed' link. Like you, I also follow most of the names on the list of worthy and talented female journalists you cited. They are indeed commendably courageous for expressing unpopular views with compelling evidence and insight.

Another Van Helsing-type slayer of media myths and lies I would add to your list is Abby Martin. In 2016, she traveled to visit Palestinians under Zionist control and filed a scathing expose on the brutality of the occupation.

BTW, I find your comments and views are not only an enlightening pleasure to read, but that you express them in a voice which reflects that rare quality of erudition unencumbered by academic or intellectual hubris.

Posted by: metni | Jan 3 2019 19:10 utc | 122

fm @ 121

Nice to see Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez partner with Stephanie Kelton who has done a lot of work on the benefits of things such as a job guarantee and forgiveness of student loans.


Student Debt

Posted by: financial matters | Jan 3 2019 19:11 utc | 123


That is why I said - dont take my word for it - see the facts for yourself.
Could you name one other decade which were better for Israel regards to relations with US, Russia, Arab states?

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2019 19:22 utc | 124

>>JohninMK | Jan 2, 2019 5:17:08 PM | 22

I'm glad that you've introduced France's ongoing, vicious treatment of its former African colonies into the discussion here.

For those interested, here is some detailed information on the horrors being visited upon those countries by a murderous, parasitical European power.

14 African Countries Forced by France to Pay Colonial Tax For the “Benefits” of Slavery and Colonization

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 3 2019 19:29 utc | 125

Just had the pleasure of watching UK Foreign Secretary (and de-facto head of MI6) Jeremy Hunt acknowledge through gritted teeth that Assad will be in power for a while yet and that the UK has to deal with the realpolitik of that situation. Looks like we need the troops at home to stop the Iranian boat people invasion on the south coast. He ominously says that 'Russia has taken on a responsibility'....we'll see....its way better than producing Libya Mk.2 which is where he was headed before the S300 game change a while back. Silly, silly Israelis, their whole Oded Yinon plan is crumbling before their eyes, and they only have themselves to blame. Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first....

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein | Jan 3 2019 19:44 utc | 126

Sasha @54

OT for this thread but the "Bilderberg" group has ties with Macron and several of his ministers. Macron was introduced by billionaire H. Kratz (KKR) and his wife, they are also the principal source of his funds (pre-presidential run). Two of his ministers (at least) including his present PM were invited to a Bilderberg meeting to meet Macron.
Small world isn't it?

Posted by: stonebird | Jan 3 2019 20:22 utc | 127

metni @122--

Thanks very much for your gracious reply! I've read some of Ms Martin's work and just added her to the long list within my Twitter folder. What's excellent is how they're serving as superrb examples empowering women and men to rekindle the Indymedia Movement that began with so much promise.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2019 20:29 utc | 128

AntiSpin @125--

Thanks for your addition to our OT link sharing. What's occurring in Africa is all too often omitted here to everyone's detriment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2019 21:16 utc | 129

Bibi asked for the four months to pull out, so after the election, these soldiers can be very usefull for a ff. After the election israel needs them out of the way. Something very bad is in the making and libanon, syrie or iran will have a lot off causalties. It used to be gazans to pay for israeli elections.

Posted by: Mark1 | Jan 3 2019 21:48 utc | 130

financial matters@121

Another way of looking at PayGo is that it would be a great way of insisting on the slashing of the Pentagon- and associated budgets.
The Defense budget, which in real terms must be about $1 trillion annually would be high if it were at a third of current levels.
Given a popular insistence on the prioritisation of such things as Medicare for All, tuition free college, a guaranteed income and an end to the mass poverty which afflicts millions and in the shadow of which America lives, whilst reforming the tax system to restore its progressive, redistributive features would put the ball fimnly in the 1%'s court: there is no money left for your bloated military budgets and international programme of subversion.
Do you want to pay for it? The people will not.
I don't think, though, that that is what Nancy Pelosi has in mind.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 3 2019 23:07 utc | 131


I did not see your post until after I had added mine, which is now superfluous.

We need nested replies, here . . .

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 3 2019 23:17 utc | 132

Could you name one other decade which were better for Israel regards to relations with US, Russia, Arab states?
Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3, 2019 2:22:47 PM | 124

This is a hasbarist idiot who doesn't understand that Israel has chosen the Crusader model. Like them, the state is being hollowed out. Anybody with any sense is leaving, for a reasonable life elsewhere.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 3 2019 23:30 utc | 133

Great catch by Angry Arab:

"The Syrian opposition human rights network, which all Western media rely on for their news on Syria, reported just two days ago the death of Syrian civilians from US bombs. None of the Western media bothered to report that one."

He provides info you'll find nowhere else in English or Arabic.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 4 2019 1:41 utc | 134

The YPG are leaving Manbij apparently so the are taking the US withdrawal seriously. Of course they never should have been there in the first place.

""According to information, approximately 400 Kurdish fighters have left Manbij so far," the Syrian defense ministry said. Their departure was in line with an agreement "for the return of normal life to the area of northern Syria," it said."

Posted by: dh | Jan 4 2019 1:52 utc | 135

@ AntiSpin | Jan 3, 2019 6:17:02 PM | 132
I did not see your post until after I had added mine, which is now superfluous. We need nested replies, here
And images etc.
Perhaps Bernard will go modern with Disqus someday.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 4 2019 2:06 utc | 136

@136 don... disqus is passe... it's another collection agency too..

Posted by: james | Jan 4 2019 4:37 utc | 137

Disqus is not secure, hacked repeatedly, but sure the commenting could be better.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4 2019 12:10 utc | 138


You fail respond to my question. When was Israel in a better position relating to US/Russia and arab states ties?
I sense you cant answer that which is ok, no harm in admitting that.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4 2019 12:13 utc | 139

According to Douglas B Vogt, most of the space exploration by NASA et al, in partiucular the moon landings, were focused on investigation of the conditions or remains on the moon as results the Sun Novas (cyclic repeated outburst of energy). He claims that Sun Novas every 12068 years which makes the planets shift their magnetic fields and create ice ages. When the magnetic shift occur it creates a dramatic shift of the earth climate as the spinning of the planet stop and start spinning in the reverse direction. During the last decades it has been noticed that the magnetic north and south are shifting in an accelerated fashion. This model could explains flooding and sinking of continents etc. in the past. According to him we are at the end of the 12068 year cycle now with only about 28 years left. He offer quite compelling proofs it appears to my mind and it is strange that this is hidden for the general public.
To me it appears that the only way to survive such event would be underground on high altitudes with a many years of food stockpiling. Are there any preparations made one may wounder if this is true? Perhaps is the recent Chinese lunar exploration part of the same mission?

Se also - from 2.40

Posted by: Carloz | Jan 4 2019 13:44 utc | 140

Trump says there is no set date for Syria troop withdrawal
By Bill Van Auken
4 January 2019

In a meandering and at times incoherent White House cabinet meeting held in front of the media, US President Donald Trump defended his surprise December 19 announcement of his decision to withdraw all US troops from Syria, while indicating that there is no set timetable for doing so.

Initially there were reports from within the administration that US forces—officially numbered at 2,000 but possibly consisting of as many as twice that number—would be brought out of Syria within 30 days. Subsequently, the time frame was put at 60 to 100 days. Since the beginning of the new year, it has been reported that the deadline has been extended to 120 days.

A lot of hot air got blown around MoA concerning the 'pullout', something I never believed from the getgo.

Do NOT be fooled folks, all is smoke and mirrors!

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan 4 2019 14:05 utc | 141

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4, 2019 7:13:29 AM | 139

No point in answering trolling, but as you insist. The only point where Israel is doing well is in its control of the US governmental apparatus, but even then Trump is capable of lashing out against Israeli interests, as in the Syria withdrawal plan. Secret supposed agreements with Arab heads of state mean nothing, because said leaders can't execute what they've promised Israel. And Russia too is going against Israeli interests, whatever fine words may come out of Netanyahu/Putin summits. The Israeli position is in decline, and the hollowing-out of Israel continues.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 4 2019 14:44 utc | 142

These are the methods of Israel to improve its "relations" with anybody out there...crude blackmail....

They ask Al-Bashir to have ties with Israel if he wants to end marches

I fear we can conclude who is behind violent protests surged out of nothing with no visible local leadership everyhwere, Iran, Syria, France....You see that this kind of protests never have surged in Israel, US, KSA, UAE and so on...where live conditions are worsening the same way, if not in a more accute way....

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 4 2019 14:49 utc | 143

The Syria pullout will happen, just as in other countries when the US military failed. Some senators want to be on record as not being responsible for 'losing Syria' as when the US 'lost China, Vietnam, Iraq' etc. The US never 'had' them!
The pullout will happen because the US military isn't accomplishing anything there, with vulnerable ground forces spread out in remote bases without air cover. President Trump gets that, and others have to be forced to see it even while Army generals continue to be ineffective and uncaring about anyone but themselves.
Meanwhile we the public (also the senators) don't really know anything about troop movements so we shouldn't pretend that we do, and people who don't have military experience should not (without deep study) pretend that they know much about the military.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 4 2019 14:56 utc | 144


. Secret supposed agreements with Arab heads of state mean nothing, because said leaders can't execute what they've promised Israel

While that didnt respond at all to my query when Israel was in a better position. If they reach "secret" agreements, why cant they execute it?
That claim makes no sense since Israel and arab states already working on i.e. Iran, Syria and on palestinians.

And Russia too is going against Israeli interests, whatever fine words may come out of Netanyahu/Putin summits.
Unfortunately you are misinformed about their relationship.

Despite Syria, Israel-Russia relations are the warmest in history

Or could you name another leader in Russia doing more for Israel?

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4 2019 15:02 utc | 145

Don Bacon | Jan 4, 2019 9:56:18 AM | 144

Don, what do you base your assertion on? Aside from the 'defeat' the US suffered in Vietnam in 1975, name me a country where the US has voluntarily withdrawn its troops since WWII.

72 years after the end of WWII, there are still US troops in Germany, Japan, Korea... the list is long. And where it doesn't have troops, it has proxies of all kinds, from puppets to 'NGOs', to 'Foundations' and 'Think Tanks', covert actors (CIA, Seals ad infinitum).

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan 4 2019 15:03 utc | 146

@Zanon, see post @90 and inquire for membership please.. regards.

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 4 2019 15:16 utc | 147


... could you name another leader in Russia doing more for Israel?

Can you name another world leader that has done more to stymie Israel?

Putin fully supported the Syrian intervention. And only Russian involvement has prevented a successful regime change.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2019 15:23 utc | 148

And here's the latest scam to keep the barbarians in Syria. The Kurds have asked Germany to impose a 'no-fly' zone over NE Syria!

First it was France and now its Germany! Will the UK be next? Aside from anything else, like legal niceties, it's simply unworkable.

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan 4 2019 16:07 utc | 149


Stymie? Sure. Iranians, Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria itself with their means available. None of these states would ever work with Israel like Russia do.

Russia on the other hand going the wrong way, again, this is news of the hour:

Netanyahu, Putin agree on continued military coordination in Syria

When will we read: "Assad, Putin agree on continuted military coordination against Israel threats"?
Of course the answer is we wont because Putin works with Israel and along their interest for the region (Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, Iran).

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4 2019 16:26 utc | 150


Dont take my word for it.

Putin: 'I support the struggle of Israel'

You somehow like Putin but hate Zionism and thus cant handle realizing that Putin is a supporter of Israel. I understand that but being mad with me wont solve that contradiction. :)

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4 2019 16:32 utc | 151

@ William Bowles | Jan 4, 2019 10:03:01 AM | 146
Don, what do you base your assertion on?

Russia and its allies, and the US and its allies, can not coexist in Syria. We all know that ISIS has been spawned and supported by the US, and the US is only in Syria (illegally) to promote regime change, so others have acted legally and responsibly on both issues.

In fact Russia and its allies control military events on the ground and in the air. So the powerless US and its allies are being forced out by stronger opposed military forces. The Syria Arab Army backed by Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are too strong for the US. Even the Gulf despots see that, and are resuming ties with Damascus.

US withdrawal won't be done quickly. National policy, even when wrong, doesn't turn on a dime. But in Syria the US has no viable alternative. It won't be done with bugles blaring, rather the US will slink out without fanfare. There will be no photos of troops boarding aircraft, but there is no choice. US departure has been a constant refrain of this blog writer Bernard, and he is totally correct.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 4 2019 16:40 utc | 152

Putin: 'I support the struggle of Israel'
That statement by wily Putin can be taken two ways.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 4 2019 16:43 utc | 153

Netanyahu, Putin agree on continued military coordination in Syria.
Correct, Russia will tell Israel what they can't do in Syria and Israel will obey or else.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 4 2019 16:49 utc | 154

Zanon @150: None of these states would ever work with Israel ...

None of those states had the wherewithal to stop Syrian regime change.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2019 16:49 utc | 155

@151 z

"By their fruits you shall know them"...

Words meaning nothing, even among heads of state... the proof is in the pudding, as it were

And in that regard, Putin's actions have been clearly on display in Syria since Sept/2015

Pretty simple really - for those willing & able to see it

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 4 2019 16:54 utc | 156

Don Bacon: ... powerless US and its allies are being forced out by stronger opposed military forces.

LOL. "powerless"? "being forced out"?

FYI there has not been any effort to use military force to expel USA. In fact, USA has attacked forces that sought to undermine its position with no repercussions to US forces. They recently blew up a bridge being built by Syria/SAA.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2019 16:58 utc | 157

@ Jackrabbit | Jan 4, 2019 11:58:25 AM | 157
LOL. "powerless"? "being forced out"? FYI there has not been any effort to use military force to expel USA.
I fully explained the situation and never mentioned attacks on US forces. Apparently you have a comprehension problem.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 4 2019 17:13 utc | 158

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4, 2019 11:58:25 AM | 157

LOL. "powerless"? "being forced out"?
Of course there doesn't need to be an actual military confrontation, to be forced out. Indeed there wasn't when the US was forced out of Iraq in the phase 2008 to 2011.

Quite likely to happen again in Iraq in the near future, after the way Trump behaved to Abd al-Mahdi.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 4 2019 17:14 utc | 159

With mitt Romney coming into the senate, and with his op-ed in the wapo, it strikes me that the spectre of a republican betrayal could happen as impeachment proceedings ramp up in the house and then the senate, McConnell and ilk w/ Romney might pull a Brutus when the time is right.

In any case, the months ahead will be pivotal to our understanding of this country's future trajectory. Windows are indeed closing and the smell of desperation lingers.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Jan 4 2019 17:17 utc | 160

Laguerre @159: ... US was forced out of Iraq in the phase 2008 to 2011.

USA still has troops in Iraq.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2019 17:26 utc | 161

@ Nemesiscalling | Jan 4, 2019 12:17:47 PM | 160
Windows are indeed closing and the smell of desperation lingers

I see it differently. Trump was elected on MAGA domestic issues, and he has no problem burning those international bridges which have unfortunately ensconced the US in endless war, with a Coalition of the Willing. That's the smell of hope and change, and of course the establishment Romney-types don't like it. That's also a good thing.

George Washington dedicated a large part of his farewell address to discussing foreign relations and the dangers of permanent alliances between the United States and foreign nations, which he viewed as foreign entanglements. Smart guy.

Hillary and Co. -- that's the smell of desperation. (Watch out, she's coming back.)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 4 2019 17:30 utc | 162

Don Bacon: ... comprehension problem.

You exaggerated ("powerless") and now you want to shoot the messenger.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2019 17:32 utc | 163

"Do NOT be fooled folks,all is smoke and mirrors!
William Bowles@141"
It always was smoke and mirrors- an air force that never attacked "the enemy" ISIS, penny packets of special forces and mercenary contractors, competing proxy militias permanently auditioning for employment elsewhere.
They are leaving but they were not really there in the first place, except as the marker of a threat: "don't attack this site the US is occupying it."
As for how many places the US has left since WWII the answer is lots. And Iraq is top of the list, with Saudi Arabia just behind.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 4 2019 17:33 utc | 164

@ Jackrabbit | Jan 4, 2019 12:26:29 PM | 161
US was forced out of Iraq in the phase 2008 to 2011. . USA still has troops in Iraq.
Both are true. Obama had no choice in 2011, which is not understood by many including Senator Graham. But the US military came back on the ISIS excuse, and so the point is they will be forced out again. Iraqis understandably hate American forces for some very excellent reasons.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 4 2019 17:34 utc | 165

Don Bacon: Obama had no choice in 2011, which is not understood by many

Yes! The aura of Obama as peace-maker is too strong for most people to see the truth. That aura was driven by MSM and is reinforced by MSM.

This is exactly what I'm fighting wrt Trump. Except that for Trump it is the aura of "isolationist".

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2019 17:42 utc | 166

Don Bacon

Yeah in contrast standing with Assad saying the same "supportive" statements about israeli attacks against Syria.

Military coordination as of past years, israeli attacks = Putin acceptance or you want to bet there wont be any more israeli attacks on Syria past this coordination call with Russia?


None of those states had the wherewithal to stop Syrian regime change.

Iran Syria (and Hezbollah) relations go way back, they are allies compared to the russian relationsship that arent there to protect Assad which is the biggest difference in terms of involvment in the war.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4 2019 18:55 utc | 167

I am a faithful follower of you posts, hopefully my commentary will help you

the design of your site is very boring.. setting the article into NARROW, baby blue column results into a LONG, LONG , LONG that takes forever to read.....
big navy blue margins which take half of the site's width..

Posted by: Raphael | Jan 4 2019 19:04 utc | 168

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4, 2019 1:55:37 PM | 167

israeli attacks = Putin acceptance
Your theory of palliness is only based on tendentious Israeli sources. There are very good geopolitical reasons why Putin doesn't want to go to war with Israel. So the Israeli pinprick raids have to be tolerated. It doesn't mean Russia and Israel are "pals". It means that nothing much can be done about the other without a risk of major escalation. It's not needed; Asad has about won anyway.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 4 2019 19:53 utc | 169


If you check the sources, they cover factual events and statements. I have neither called Israel Russia "pals", I have said they share the same interest on majority of middle east topics.
No one have said that Russia should attack Israel, the argument have been that Russia/Israel works together and their relationship havent been better than during Putin/Netanyahu. The escalation is what Puttin give acceptance too, the attacks will go on throughout 2019 and as we all know its not ISIS Israel attacks but the resistance of Syria, Iran and Hezbollah. These 3 are also the only resistance to israeli escalation and threats.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4 2019 20:06 utc | 170

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4, 2019 3:06:51 PM | 170

Rather a surprising response, considering that Netanyahu's Syria policy is being put in the trash. Netanyahu's policy on Syria has failed, Asad has won and come out stronger, with Israel more at risk. But the hasbarist bluster continues, "the attacks will go on throughout 2019", much like the Americans said about Syria when faced with Asad's success "the war will go on for ever", and much like Comical Ali who said the same, with the Americans at the gates of Baghdad. Bluster is standard for the professionals, when things are going wrong.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 4 2019 20:34 utc | 171

Netanyahu's Syria policy was always rather stupid. Getting the US to destabilise Syria, and participating in it, was always likely to end up with a Syrian state stronger than ever in the long run. Asad was a better choice for Israel, as he never attacked Israel. N. should have worked to discourage the Americans, but he didn't. It's not surprising that things have gone wrong.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 4 2019 20:49 utc | 172


Israel's aim is to weaken Syria, they manage to do that, much to the unfortunate aid of russian aid = politically, economically, security. There is no one forcing Putin to do this.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4 2019 21:03 utc | 173

@ Jackrabbit | Jan 4, 2019 12:42:00 PM | 166
Yes! The aura of Obama as peace-maker is too strong for most people to see the truth. . . .This is exactly what I'm fighting wrt Trump. Except that for Trump it is the aura of "isolationist".

Yes! (If I'm reading you right.)
Trump is not an isolationist. He has been fully involved with many countries including China and North Korea abroad, Mexico and Canada near home. The establishment slanders Trump with "isolationist" because of his new approach to alliances.

Trump basically doesn't trust alliances because US allies are sucking the US into stupid wars or at least participating in them with a token presence, while leaving the defense of their lands, and the expense of it, in US hands. Trump is strongly objecting to these sorts of alliances, which are only designed to aid the US Military Industrial Complex, and should not exist. Trump sees that, rails about it as is his style, and is then slandered.

And of course the situation is not perfect. (It never is.) Why is Trump increasing the Pentagon budget and the size of the army if alliances are bad? The US isn't threatened by any country by land, Canada and Mexico being quite benign in that regard, and alliances are bad, so why the excessive spending for the MIC? . .Perhaps Trump will get to that. In the meantime poor relations with former allies helps to remove the "we must defend our allies" baloney. Let them defend themselves.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 4 2019 21:05 utc | 174

re Don

Trump basically doesn't trust alliances because US allies are sucking the US into stupid wars or at least participating in them
At least in Europe, we'd be very happy if Trump didn't defend us. I can't say for other areas of US intervention, evidently. There's been far too much of US intervention in its own interest.

The world has changed since the Cold War. There's no real danger of world conquest by any power. The old structures of defence no longer have a function. Trump is right to want to destroy them. The real enemies of Trump are 1) the European Union, as a competitor, 2) China, as a coming competitor, and only 3) Russia, as a convenient bête noir. Evidently Trump won't reduce the defence budget.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 4 2019 21:49 utc | 175

Laguerre: ... was always likely to end up with a Syrian state stronger than ever in the long run.

The 'Assad must go!' effort nearly succeed TWICE:

1) If Obama had been able to bomb Syria in September 2013, the Jihadi proxy army would've won;

2) If not for Russian-Iranian military intervention in September 2015, the Jihadi proxy army (supplemented by ISIS forces) would've won.

Also note: If the coup in Ukraine had fully succeeded by capturing Crimea and Donbas, Putin's ability/willingness to help Syria might've been severely compromised.

Zanon: Israel's aim is to weaken Syria

Israel's immediate goal is to weaken/destroy Hezbollah whose missile capability is a serious threat. Assad refused to stop supporting Hezbollah so the Israelis wanted Syrian regime.

If Putin is so friendly to Israel, why has he allowed Assad to remain? Why has he steadfastly resisted the call for Assad to leave BEFORE a Constitution and elections?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2019 21:53 utc | 176

Don Bacon: The establishment slanders Trump with "isolationist" because of his new approach to alliances.

As you say, he is "isolationist" in name only. The public perception that he is "isolationist" makes it seems that he is inclined toward peace.

A leader that is a reluctant war-maker is best positioned to convince the public that war is necessary.

Obama proclaimed peaceful intentions and made war covertly. So I'm wary of narratives that portray Trump (for whatever reason) as a peacemaker. He hasn't followed-thru on peace in Korea; he is arming Ukraine; he has attacked Syria TWICE based on false flags; he is still helping the Saudis and UAE in Yemen; etc.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2019 22:19 utc | 177

re Jackrabbit

The 'Assad must go!' effort nearly succeed TWICE:
but didn't. Actually I wasn't referring to the Asad regime, but to any government in Syria, though it might take longer.

Yes, obviously Israel's major aim is to disarm Hizbullah missiles, which represent an existential threat to Israel. Bombing Syria though is a funny way of going about it. Largely enough Hizbullah missiles have been in place for years, to provoke a flight of Israelis for their second passports.Israel only wants to cut down the excess.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 4 2019 22:29 utc | 178


Probably various reasons, Russia dont seems to call for leaders to step down and this is something Israel neither have done. Russia wouldnt stop bombing if lets say Assad would fall tommorow, so their activities have nothing to do with keeping Assad.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 4 2019 22:33 utc | 179

As a good little member of the Loser Party and lifelong guardian of conservative values such as open borders, sodomy and global finance, I was deeply troubled by the news we might be removing our brave golem (constructed from the flesh of twenty-year-old Whites) from Syria.

After all, we must stand by our Great Ally Israel, a nation that has helped us in our time of need countless times. It's only fair. Besides, have you considered the danger of Iran? No, really.

Fortunately, it appears this attempt to disengage from endless foreign war for the jew will be a lazy half-measure just like everything else.

News alert: “The US 'withdrawal' from Syria might not mean the end of all its Syria-related operations where Israel is concerned, as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reaffirmed Washington’s ongoing commitment to Israel’s security on Tuesday.”

Thank g*d for that! We need more dead Whites, more islamic terrorism, more "women and children" fleeing "war" flooding into our dying nations, more slavish and pathetic devotion to a jewish enemy who quite rightly regards the righteous among the goyim like Pompeo with total and complete disdain.

News alert: “Speaking ahead of a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Brazil, Pompeo said the US’ commitment to Israel was unchanged, despite the pullout of US troops from Syria announced by the Trump administration last month.”

By and for the people. Foreign parasites guide our foreign policy into disaster. Supporting the jew criminal is the most important virtue. The second most important virtue is to deny this is what we are doing

Pompeo said that the US effort to “counter Iranian aggression” would continue along with the “protection of Israel” just as it had before.

We'll fight those damn Persians, f*ck yeah! Here's several pallets worth of fiat currency. Suck on that, Ayatollah!

Before the meeting, Netanyahu said there was “a lot” to discuss including how to “intensify even further our intelligence and operations cooperation in Syria and elsewhere to block Iranian aggression in the Middle East.”

Time to pull the choke chain on our American yard dog.

Earlier, Trump had reassured Israel that the US would “take great care” of Israel despite the withdrawal, citing the billions in foreign aid Washington gives to Israel every year.

Netanyahu said he was very appreciative of the “strong support and unequivocal support” from the US in its efforts at “self-defense” against Syria and Hezbollah.

We can't wait to see the jew express this undying gratitude by spying on us (see Philip Giraldi, "Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style in or bombing our ships (see the USS Liberty)

He also praised the Israeli Defense Forces after they carried out strikes against alleged "Iranian targets" on Christmas Day, endangering two civilian flights in the process.

Killing the shkotzim on Christmas. The Light of the World.
On Monday, an anonymous senior Israeli source said that Trump had responded positively to a request from Netanyahu to stagger the US exit from Syria.

This is what "America First" means, obviously.

Full story:

US committed to 'protection of Israel' despite Syria withdrawal, Pompeo assures Netanyahu

Posted by: leena | Jan 4 2019 22:53 utc | 180

going for relatively bad to way worse ----

"The U.S. Department of State released a statement on Friday naming James Jeffrey as the new Special Envoy for the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS.

Jeffrey is replacing Brett McGurk as the spokesperson for the Anti-Coalition.

The new envoy is also serving a similar role for the Trump administration; he has served in similar positions in the past."

this guy is one full on dipshit of the highest order... he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground...

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2019 3:17 utc | 181

I am surprised that there are many MoA commenters still willing to take on a troll here who continues to insist on the veracity of neoconservative Israeli news sources like The Jerusalem Post and even Israel's own answer to The Fraudian (Ha'aretz) about supposedly warm relations between the Russian and Israeli governments, even when it's been previously pointed out that such Israeli MSM news sources are but the propaganda arm of the Israeli government. When they spin news of Russian-Israeli dialogue in such a way as to suggest the Israelis always have the upper hand over the Kremlin, to have the likes of Zanon fall prostrate in awe at their mischief and spread it like mephitic manure out of his mouth must have them in fits of laughter.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 5 2019 10:40 utc | 182


I have used sources to prove what I am saying is true, all links contain factual events and quotes.
If people want to deny that, dont be mad at me, be mad at Putin. I could look for a russian link if you cant stand news written by jews.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 5 2019 12:48 utc | 183

Jen @ 182

Thanks for this [further] display of your dogmatism. Apparently, b is the only one who can ever reference MSM sources without being called out for it.

Here is an excellent critique of ultraleft dogmatism. This article aims a punch squarely to the nose of several who co-exist here.

Alas, it's from Counterpunch which of course is also discredited in the eyes of those same dogmatics. Lol

Clearly, Putin a neoliberal authoritarian nationalist is often to be in agreement with Netanyahu and working in concert for results desired by each country. Netanyahu is also a neoliberal authoritarian nationalist who sees the world in a similar light as Putin and Trump too for that matter. They clearly all three co-exist very well together, as they also do with MBS. I understand how this truth makes you uncomfortable with your own political position so you attack Zanon instead for using MSM sources to discredit your inconsistencies. This is nonsense, Jen. And not just yours but everyone else who takes this ridiculous "Empire evil therefore Other opposed Evil is good" illogical position.

There are facts which when reported by a certain, unfavoured messenger still cannot be disqualified so why do you even bother? Oh, would be too terrible for you to be forced into contemplating your own lack of perfection or be forced into admitting your love, respect and admiration for evil neoliberal authoritarian nationalism as long as it is also considered "anti-west", especially when you are forced to fantasise the "anti-west" part of your worldview!!!

Love it or hate it, teh Russians, Chinese, US and EU are all voluntarily active members of the global neoliberal establishment. While they surely have their disagreements with each other all are committed to maintaining the status quo of global neoliberalism. There is zero persuasive evidence that indicates otherwise so you are forced to make it up to remain "pure" in your own mind.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jan 5 2019 15:39 utc | 184

And 184 isn't aimed personally at Jen but at the reactionary, self-defeating mindset her comment represents...I like Jen just fine and enjoy her commentary as well as the others at MoA who resemble her ideological posturing...

Posted by: donkeytale | Jan 5 2019 15:49 utc | 185

@184 The writer of that Counterpunch article is another Rojava fan who thinks the YPG represents all the Syrian Kurds.

If this article can be believed Sipan Hemo is much more realistic. He obviously thinks US presence is winding down.

Posted by: dh | Jan 5 2019 16:32 utc | 186

@182 jen... there are a few one trick ponies at moa... one knows what they're going to say before they say it.. not sure why folks even bother, but they and we do from time to time.. @ 184 donkeys response is a fine example... more justification for the war machine - have to protect the kurds.. some folks seem incapable of thinking any deeper, or gathering a pattern in usa's actions on the world stage for the past 30 or 40 years...

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2019 17:01 utc | 187

The war on Syria has strengthened the anti-Zionist Resistance in some important ways but it also destroyed large swathes of countryside, pulverized urban neighborhoods, cost the Syrian treasury a staggering amount of money, killed several hundred thousand people, maimed and traumatized countless more and forced a few hundred thousand to flee for their lives.

War is never clean and humane. It is primarily about killing and death and its effect on people and their societies lasts for generations. It exposes in the most horrific way the fragility of human civilization and it should never be celebrated or infused with false valour. It is one thing to follow a war on a digital device from the comfort of your living room or a cozy coffee shop; it is quite another to live through a war and experience it first hand.

Sometimes I think it is treated much to casually by people who live in countries ruled by criminal leaders that wage imperial war in the far abroad while they and their people are safe and shielded from the effects of their crimes. Take a pause every now and then and spare a thought for the people who do not have that luxury and pay with their lives and their sanity for wars that were forced on them by the psychopathic imperial powers.

Posted by: Daniel | Jan 5 2019 17:06 utc | 188

Well what a treasure trove!

This from one paper tited ‘Discernment: Why information statecraft matters’:

Adapt and apply-media literacy training experience from Ukraine - a country at the forefront of Russian disinformation campaigns. The Learn 2 Discern media-literacy programme developed by IREX and StopFake has recently been expanded to address the specific needs of children as part of an integrated school-based programme. These programmes demonstrate changes in understanding and behaviour by measuring criteria such as the ability to verify messages through cross-checking with at least one other source. Of the 15,000 who have completed the Learn 2 Discern programme, over 92% reported checking their sources 3 months after the training event. The tagline for the Learn 2 Discern programme in Ukraine is care before you share . This is a simple reminder to be wary of a knee-jerk reaction to pass on content simply because it shocks or provokes. Media content and case-studies will be sourced locally and reflect the particular media environment of a region/country. This will be done in conjunction with partners who demonstrate an objective, non-partisan approach.

"Another proposed strategy is to adopt elements of the Cyber guard training initiative which utilises retired military personnel as coaches to help young people work through the risks inherent in the cyber domain and the ways these can impact the person and wider society. This training material helps raise awareness of legal risks and criminal liability for content viewed and shared online. In Estonia, a comprehensive curriculum addressing cyber-security and critical thinking is introduced as early as age 9. This model of engagement at a young age helps address gender imbalances when we assess the lower number of girls currently pursuing further studies and professions in cyber security, IT and programming. Women who are currently active and established in IT and security studies could be vital role-models to encourage more girls to enter and stay in this field.

"We believe it is critical that people are aware of the editorial position and financing of media outlets and the implications of these structures. This is a critical point in understanding why RT is by its very nature a propaganda outlet and how it differs fundamentally from the BBC or other western platforms. Furthermore, we believe it is vital to expose the deception of supposed independent, third-party sites that are in-fact proxies for the Kremlin and whose only purpose is to amplify and spread a particular message. There is a vital, ongoing conversation to be had about privacy, data protection and the vital protection of sources when reporting on issues that place a journalist or whistleblower at risk. However, it is important to distinguish between these appropriate safeguards and the pursuit of anonymity online in order to deceive and distort the origin of material or indeed for the purpose of cyberattacks or other types of subversive action.

Discernment paper_BR2018_08.06_proposal2.pdf

Scary stuff!

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan 5 2019 17:08 utc | 189

Whoops, wrong thread!

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan 5 2019 17:09 utc | 190

Zanon @ 183:
"I have used sources to prove what I am saying is true ..."

Thank you, Zanon, for demonstrating an example of that which Donkeytale @ 184 accuses me of.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 5 2019 19:07 utc | 191


What is your take on Helsinki statements by Putin on Israel?

A nationalist streak runs through Putin’s love for Jews and Israel

Trump said that he and Putin had reached a “really good conclusion” for Israel in regard to the situation in Syria. The Russian leader said he paid “special attention” to the Jewish state during the negotiations.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 5 2019 19:30 utc | 192

More proof of what I have been saying, israel is not "weak" when it comes to their ties with arab leaders, it is getting stronger. Now getting condemned by Hamas, one of few real resistance.

Hamas blasts Arab states over relations with Israel

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 5 2019 21:41 utc | 193

"..Netanyahu is also a neoliberal authoritarian nationalist who sees the world in a similar light as Putin and Trump too for that matter. They clearly all three co-exist very well together, as they also do with MBS..."
Now that is dogmatism. The dogma being self contradictory but the dogmatist so wedded to it that he doesn't see that the nationalist promotes not neo-liberal economics but national interests.
And that neo-liberalism does not dictate foreign policy: one neo-liberal is a globalist, another might be, for nationalist reasons, opposed to globalism.
At the same time neo-liberals are free traders not sanctioneers or tariff promoters getting in the way of free trade.
The truth is that Netanyahu is a zionist, Putin is a slavophile nationalist and Trump is an opportunist who has no discernible principles except that he wants to win the game he is playing.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 5 2019 21:54 utc | 194


"Sorry but as a native English speaker "the Arab Gulf states are coming back to Damascus" can mean both that the Arab states in the Gulf are coming back to Damascus ..."

Seriously, you are a "native English speaker" that does not understand capitalization? If you are referring to a gulf it's lower case gulf. Upper case Gulf means it is a proper name. Of course there is no proper name "Gulf", hence, it is 100% correct English to read this as a reference to the "Arab Gulf", which is a name such Zio-fascist traitors at Google has adopted in reference to the body of water to which we are all referring.

So the initial complaint is correct, there was an error in describing that body of water. However it seems a bit out of proportion to demand an apology, lol.

Posted by: CalDre | Jan 13 2019 7:34 utc | 195

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