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January 29, 2019
Open Thread 2019-06
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Sharmine on the logical outcome of my thesis @126: Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 29 2019 18:38 utc | 1 As shown in this article, there is one key reason why Washington pays any attention to what happens in Venezuela: Posted by: Sally Snyder | Jan 29 2019 18:57 utc | 2 I got a good answer to the “why now” question today (from Jürgen Elsässer): Has to do with EastMed too. Posted by: Denis Mac-Shame | Jan 29 2019 19:19 utc | 4 Chris Hedges! Stop talking and start running for crisesakes! If Mr. Starbucks Schultz runs then so can you! Posted by: Circe | Jan 29 2019 19:35 utc | 5 The absurdities of Australia’s U S controlled China policies . Woke to the local regional radio news informing me that HUAWEI had withdrawn from building 5G in Australia – no mention they were BANNED from doing so under U S pressure. Posted by: ashley albanese | Jan 29 2019 19:38 utc | 6 No matter whether you post a comment to the UK “Guardian”, the German “Die Welt” or the Spanish “El Pais”: chances are your comment will be censored, unless you rewrite your comment using politically correct speech. And in spite of this, I routinely skip reading newspaper article and go straight to the comments, because the comments are often more informative than the article. Is this your experience as well? Posted by: nick | Jan 29 2019 19:49 utc | 7 Posted by: nick Posted by: Denis Mac-Shame | Jan 29 2019 19:57 utc | 8 Just like many things that are being censored thought Moonbats, would like to know the following:
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 29 2019 19:57 utc | 9 @6 Posted by: Paco | Jan 29 2019 20:15 utc | 10 @6 nick.. your question – “Is this your experience as well? i skip reading these news outlet as it left a bad taste in my mouth… on the other hand, i read b’s articles and the commentary, as it is generally all educational and informative.. Posted by: james | Jan 29 2019 20:17 utc | 11 US gives opposition leader Guaido control over some Venezuelan assets Posted by: james | Jan 29 2019 20:21 utc | 12 meanwhile most americans navel gaze on shit like the mueller investigation, building a wall and shit like that… what a pathetic nation the usa has become… Posted by: james | Jan 29 2019 20:23 utc | 13 I agree with CE at #2. Posted by: Hal Duell | Jan 29 2019 20:25 utc | 14 This article at https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/29/the-empires-propagandists/ may be of interest to some. Not saying that any of it is new to readers here nor is it exhaustive but imo a decent piece that pulls together a lot and might be interesting to those who mainly follow MSM. Posted by: spudski | Jan 29 2019 20:33 utc | 15 @11 James – oh Thucydides can answer that question too – Posted by: Kadath | Jan 29 2019 20:35 utc | 16 @CE | Jan 29, 2019 2:14:34 PM | 2 Posted by: jared | Jan 29 2019 20:41 utc | 17 @15 kadath.. obviously i need to take up reading thucydides! i have been reading the wrong material, lol… thanks again for that long quote on the previous thread.. Posted by: james | Jan 29 2019 20:44 utc | 18 I also suspect the urgency of intervention in Venzuela may have to do with the MIC is seeing some slack in demand. Posted by: Jared | Jan 29 2019 20:44 utc | 19 @ james | Jan 29, 2019 3:23:18 PM Posted by: ex-SA | Jan 29 2019 20:46 utc | 20 Russia/Israel strengthen their relationsship on Syria/Iran: Posted by: Zanon | Jan 29 2019 20:48 utc | 21 @15Kadath @17 james Posted by: spudski | Jan 29 2019 20:52 utc | 22 @19 ex-SA… with minor exceptions the 5 eye countries are no different.. i suppose the main difference is not being served up a regular diet of ‘we are the greatest’ bs, accounts for some of it.. the general curiousity about what the fuck is going on outside of the usa seems sorely lacking in people who live in the usa… maybe the media can be blamed for a chunk of this… generally canucks know a lot more about the usa, then the usa people know about canada.. that is something i have witnessed in my life.. but, the simple answer to your question is there isn’t a lot of difference.. and yes – trudeau senior must be really disappointed in tru dope jr… he is nothing compared to his dad… canada is on a downhill trajectory and fast with this buffoon.. i expect worse in the next election too.. we will get our trump as we are one cycle behind.. Posted by: james | Jan 29 2019 20:53 utc | 23 Circe @4 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 29 2019 21:00 utc | 24 Posted by: mourning dove | Jan 29 2019 21:09 utc | 25 Re Thucydides @james | Jan 29, 2019 3:53:58 PM Posted by: ex-SA | Jan 29 2019 21:26 utc | 27 Attached to that Venezuelanalysis.com that CE linked to @ 2 was this odd piece of information: Posted by: Jen | Jan 29 2019 21:38 utc | 28 @ 23 Jackrabbit Posted by: Lochearn | Jan 29 2019 21:41 utc | 29 US threatens ‘serious consequences’ if Venezuela arrests ‘president’ Guaido – Posted by: james | Jan 29 2019 21:51 utc | 30 Jackrabbit@23 and Circe@4 Posted by: juandonjuan | Jan 29 2019 21:54 utc | 31 Actually, regarding the questions that Chris Hedges raises, the average citizen certainly doesn’t want to answer “For” them Posted by: juandonjuan | Jan 29 2019 22:02 utc | 32 “The Making of Juan Guaidó: How the US Regime Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader” Posted by: jayc | Jan 29 2019 22:06 utc | 33 @ juandondonjuan Posted by: Lochearn | Jan 29 2019 22:19 utc | 34 @27 jen… that was probably almost new president guaido signing the contract too, lol…. the usa will demand it is honoured… might makes right.. Posted by: james | Jan 29 2019 22:22 utc | 35 Chris Hedges is doing far more effective work teaching prisoners and documenting conditions in prison than he would be able to in US federal politics where he would be trapped by layers of lobby organisations and their PR spruikers, bureaucrats with nests of their own to feather, think tanks and consultants. Posted by: Jen | Jan 29 2019 22:25 utc | 36 I don’t know if I have already posted this here in this blog in the past, but it’s as actual as ever: an interview with Adolf Hitler, by journalist George Sylvester Viereck, in 1923 (the NSDAP was founded in 1920). Viereck was himself a Nazi:
Can any sane individual imagine many Venezuelans fighting for a traitor who calls upon the US to sanction and steal Venezuelan assets,including its gold [in London], then encourage the enemy to send armed forces including the CIA to murder Venezuelan citizens and lay waste to the infrastructure and destroy its economy. I hope not. that traitor Juan Guaidó should be hanged. Posted by: Harry Law | Jan 29 2019 22:47 utc | 38 As usual Russia and China are playing at defending an ally while the Hegemon’s coils tighten. Posted by: paul | Jan 29 2019 22:52 utc | 39 in case this all seem like news Posted by: juandonjuan | Jan 29 2019 22:53 utc | 40 @23Jackrabbit Posted by: Circe | Jan 29 2019 23:08 utc | 41 Reply to Jen 27 Posted by: frances | Jan 29 2019 23:15 utc | 42 “We hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you …. have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”
I agree with @ Circe #4, Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 29 2019 23:21 utc | 44 Venezeula has become the tipping point for loss of GRC for the USD. Posted by: Winston | Jan 29 2019 23:29 utc | 45 I’m not opposed to Chris Hedges running. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 29 2019 23:42 utc | 46 Re:41, Yes it is and as I recall when the war was finally lost for Athens, the Athenians were terrified that the Spartans would employ their own dearly argument against them. Fortunately for Athens, Sparta chose not to burn Athens to the ground, kill all the men and enslave the women and children. Perhaps the slow and deliberate Russians and Chinese will show a similar restraint when the American empire collapses like the Athenian one, time will tell. Posted by: Kadath | Jan 29 2019 23:54 utc | 47 Why Venezuela? Why now? Posted by: bevin | Jan 29 2019 23:57 utc | 48 Melians. As we think, at any rate, it is expedient–we speak as we are obliged, since you Louis-Ferdinand Céline — An Anarcho-Nationalist? Posted by: anon | Jan 30 2019 0:30 utc | 50 “In Norway, the surplus from the oil boom has been used to build a $1 trillion collectively-owned capital fund with the return on that capital going to finance general government spending, including the country’s large welfare state. This capital fund is even colorfully described by the Norwegian government as “the people’s money, owned by everyone, divided equally and for generations to come.” ” Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Jan 30 2019 0:36 utc | 51 Greetings, Posted by: UnionHorse | Jan 30 2019 0:45 utc | 52 So many comments in the last thread pondering how to stop the US Empire, and so many comments in this thread looking at the next election and hoping that a hero will rise up and save us all. I understand, I fell for it with Obama in 2008. I thought he was that hero, riding in on a white horse who would magically change everything. It didn’t take long to realize how wrong I’d been. I felt so betrayed and I promised myself I’d never fall for the rhetoric again. Posted by: mourning dove | Jan 30 2019 0:48 utc | 53 You would think the Empire would put its foot down on their state ownership of oil. Posted by: Pft | Jan 30 2019 0:52 utc | 54 Here’s an article written by a self-professed Progressive and published on a self-professed Progressive website espousing “A Progressive Alternative to Trump’s Dangerous Venezuela Policy.” Yet the writer fails to even mention two salient facts of the utmost importance: First, that Trump’s actions are Illegal, and second that they’re Unconstitutional, both of which provide grounds for Impeachment of Trump, Pence, Bolton, and Pompeo at minimum. Thus the writer unwittingly provides an excellent example of what I described on the previous thread as Civic Illiteracy. So far, I know of no public figure who has stood up and said: Trump, you can’t do what you’re doing as it’s illegal and unconstitutional! Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2019 0:55 utc | 55 You would think the Empire would put its foot down on state ownership of oil. Posted by: Pft | Jan 30 2019 0:58 utc | 56 mounring dove @51– Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2019 0:59 utc | 57 Lochearn @34 Posted by: JuanDonJuan | Jan 30 2019 1:10 utc | 58 Dag nab it! Where the hell’s the waterlogged and incite-full CraigSummers! No show since Jan 1. 🙁 Posted by: daffyDuct | Jan 30 2019 1:19 utc | 59 There is an article at the TRNN (sorry about not including a link) about Canada’s role in this despicable Venezuelan coup which bevin (post 46) talks about. Some pretty damning stuff about Canada’s imperialisism and hypocrisy in all this. As a Canadian, I am appalled at how the Trudeau gov’t has actively conspired to overthrow the gov’t of Maduro. Explains why Canada was so quick (2 hrs) in recognizing Guaido as president of Venezuela. I am sure many of you may understand better than I the role of this ‘Lima’ group in setting the stage for this coup. Apparently Canada is hosting another meeting of this group on Feb. 4, 2019. Damn our own msm for not exposing this. Damn my own assumption that surely nice Canadians couldn’t be as imperialistic as the US. Seems we are but in our own sneeky, nice way. Respect for the quality of the information and discussion on this site – thank you. Posted by: Mandrau | Jan 30 2019 1:37 utc | 60 Daffy@57 Posted by: Pft | Jan 30 2019 1:39 utc | 61 karlof1@54 Posted by: mourning dove | Jan 30 2019 1:45 utc | 62 karlof1 Posted by: mourning dove | Jan 30 2019 1:51 utc | 63 The US, we have been repeatedly told, is the chief repository of democracy in the world, and seeks to promote democracy everywhere.
And what is the US definition of democracy? Reading further to see its ultimate meaning:
So democracy mainly consists of choosing leaders, and has nothing to do with affecting governmental policy, war and peace, aid to the poor and disadvantaged, etc. In the US that means an occasional choice between two people, bad and worse, then sit down and shut up. Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 30 2019 1:52 utc | 64 Karlof1@55 Posted by: Pft | Jan 30 2019 1:53 utc | 65 bevin @46 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2019 2:01 utc | 66 daffyDuct @57: asks about troll CS Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2019 2:07 utc | 67 mourning dove @51: hoping that a hero will rise up and save us all. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2019 2:11 utc | 68 Continuing where anon #48 left off… Posted by: anon | Jan 30 2019 2:14 utc | 69 Here is a worthwhile read. Posted by: librul | Jan 30 2019 2:31 utc | 70 Jackrabbit Posted by: mourning dove | Jan 30 2019 2:34 utc | 71 It’s not hard to see the parallels of how the US is treating China today compared with Japan in 1939. The US sanctioned Japan and stopped them from importing Iron and Oil and today China is being technologically sanctioned throughout the West with Huawei. Posted by: Pestercorn | Jan 30 2019 3:21 utc | 72 Mourning Dove, Posted by: David Shinn | Jan 30 2019 3:25 utc | 73 The link below is from Xinhuanet Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 30 2019 3:33 utc | 74 So the web site did not include my link nor the text underneath…..interesting how the web site formatting has narrowed now and seems to be affecting how links are shown Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 30 2019 3:37 utc | 75 And now the unformatted link try Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 30 2019 3:38 utc | 76 Mini Rant: I propose to attempt a comparison of the situation in 2019 Venezuela with the Crisis of 1895 – also involving Venezuela. From what I can tell both are/were as fake as a stack of $3 bills. (This is a slightly modified version of a post which disappeared elsewhere in “moderation”.) Posted by: Zachary Smith | Jan 30 2019 3:40 utc | 77 The title to the link above should have been Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 30 2019 3:41 utc | 78 The US Empire has released their official strategy and list of “threats” to USA citizens and intelligence (https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/2019-ATA-SFR—SSCI.pdf). It’s seriously naive. It only lists climate change at the bottom as an associated threat with global power politics when it should make up 4/5 of the document if America were actually concerned about human survival even within its own borders. The other 1/5 in a rational document would be about disarmament, sadly, this text only talks about the “WMD” (using Freedom Fries-era terminology) of “enemy” countries like Iran and Syria. Of course they include the dubious chemical attacks of Skripal and Douma. Old tropes about Russian meddling also repeated, along with “Chinese meddling,” at least this time there is no teenagers’ school media analysis of RT like there was in the DNI’s last infamous document. Posted by: Blooming Barricade | Jan 30 2019 3:55 utc | 79 @48 Posted by: Blooming Barricade | Jan 30 2019 3:59 utc | 80 Somehow I lost my comment, but I was also agreeing with you, mourning dove on your post about the elections in South Africa, how important it was that the boycott became evident. It might be indeed what we need to do in the US, not having any legitimate candidates calling for impeachment when as karlof1 points out, the Constitution requires it. Posted by: juliania | Jan 30 2019 4:13 utc | 81 @27 jen and @40 frances… Posted by: james | Jan 30 2019 4:38 utc | 82 mourning dove @69 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2019 4:50 utc | 83 on the previous thread the poster brian left a very good article on the background of this sleazeball guaido.. Posted by: james | Jan 30 2019 5:11 utc | 84 Canada is not just merely following with Trump’s recognition of Guaido as the self declared new president of Venezuela as part of the Five Eyes back up choir for regime change. On the contrary, they are on the forefront of seeding and dressing up the outright lies and propaganda to justify and lay the foundation for the overthrow of President Maduro via the Lima group. They will provide the proverbial lipstick for the pig so to speak. Posted by: Mandrau | Jan 30 2019 5:34 utc | 85 daffyDuct 57 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 30 2019 5:34 utc | 86 After the tragedy that was 1968, I took my McGovern button, spray painted it white and wore it thru the elections. I swore I would never vote until “none of the above” was on the ballot. I still think that a functioning democracy needs this on its ballots. If “none of the above” wins, there must be a new election with a new slate of candidates. Posted by: lgfocus | Jan 30 2019 5:42 utc | 87 David Shinn Posted by: mourning dove | Jan 30 2019 5:45 utc | 88 @83 mandrau… i think you are right about canada taking a lead role here.. that witch freeland is cooking up something for her masters.. i am not sure who they are, but they seem like the front for neo-liberalism and neo-con central.. see my post to you @80.. Posted by: james | Jan 30 2019 5:49 utc | 90 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 30 2019 5:52 utc | 91 Igfocus Posted by: mourning dove | Jan 30 2019 6:06 utc | 92 Jackrabbit@44 Posted by: NOBTS | Jan 30 2019 8:32 utc | 93 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Revolution Posted by: snake | Jan 30 2019 8:47 utc | 94 It should be abundantly clear to anyone that voting never mattered. But, not showing up at the polls also have the same effect. You want change, it requires people to get off their duff and water that Tree of Liberty. When will that happen? When the financial system collapses and the flow of drugs and booze end. People will have to endure the same kind of suffering that the Venezuelans are experiencing. Posted by: Ian | Jan 30 2019 9:10 utc | 95 @bevin #46…interesting point you mentioned regarding Guaido’s martyrdom. Posted by: vato | Jan 30 2019 9:14 utc | 96 Posted by: David Shinn | Jan 29, 2019 10:25:09 PM | 71 Re 45 South Korea’s export-dependent economy continues to deteriorate: Why Venezuela? Because when a President feels he is backed into a corner, dipping in the polls, unable to build his Wall, under investigation by the FBI and other bodies, losing support from otherwise friendly and fawning media networks, a Glorious Little War in Central America will be just the tonic he needs to get public opinion to rally behind him. Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 30 2019 12:45 utc | 100 |
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