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December 09, 2018

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2018-66

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

Official numbers show a downtrend of participants in the recent demonstrations and an uptrend of arrests. These numbers may be true or may not be true:


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As of Friday support for the yellow vest protests still stood at 66%. On Tuesday Macron will hold a speech to the nation. What concessions, if any, is he willing to make? Will they be sufficient?

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On December 2 the Israeli police recommended to the general attorney to indict prime minister, foreign minister, health minister, defense minister, etcetera minister Benjamin Netanyahoo for corruption. Two days later the Israeli Army made a big show of digging up some disused tunnels at the Lebanese borders. Netanyahoo personally announced the operation in a Monday night TV speech. It was a classic 'wag the dog' move. It is now turning into an embarrassment.

First Hezbullah media made jokes about the whole endeavor. Hizbullah itself did not even raise its readiness status. It knows that Netanyahoo is deterred and does not dare to attack Lebanon. Yesterday Hizbullah's military media unit published pictures of Israeli soldiers operating at the border. The shots were taken from behind the Israeli lines!


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The same day Israeli media report that the IDF soldiers at the border are missing two machine guns:

The guns were stolen after being found, as it appears, unattended.

The missing FN MAG machine guns were attached to vehicles and weight 12 kilogram each. Hizbollah's secretary general Hassan Nasrallah is likely to show them during his next public speech.

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Posted by: anders | Dec 10, 2018 9:35:40 AM | 84
(Hezbollah professionalism/expertise is fanciful at best)

The mystery of the missing weapons has yet to be solved. The only viable alternative explanation, if Hezbollah is too incompetent to steal them from under the noses of "Israeli" "soldiers", is that the "soldiers" SOLD them to HAMAS/Hesbollah/PLO for MONEY - a very common problem for the "geniuses" in charge of the IDF in the early Noughties.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 10 2018 17:31 utc | 101

Trailer Trash 98 "From what little I know about China, life for the average Chinese peon is still not too good."

For the 'peons' I met there, life was good.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Dec 10 2018 17:32 utc | 102

@88

It's not a question of taking over, it's a question of having multi-polarity as a check on global domination ambitions and the financial tyranny, the duplicitous application of international law, and military oppression and occupation it engenders.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 10 2018 17:35 utc | 103

Trailer Trash @98--

PRC's leaders are very much involved with increasing and prolonging the continued upward trajectory of their populous, now at 1.4 billion strong. The proof lies in their numerous planning documents and related publications, most of which are in Mandarin, and thus difficult for us non-Mandarin users to access. IMO, what PRC's leaders and their followers have accomplished is amazing--read Pearl Buck's Good Earth and compare its description of conditions with those now existing. There's absolutely no way any unplanned economy like that of the Outlaw US Empire or EU could have attained similar accomplishments. PRC's leaders are also very aware of their nation's ecological problems and how they interact with their future plans.

Fundamentally, PRC's leaders do not see the game of Monopoly and its outcome as a basis for a functional civilization, nor does Putin and his circle, along with many others. This is where the fundamental ideological divide lies. The Outlaw US Empire wants to continue its Ponzi Scheme-based game of Monopoly, but Russia, China, their SCO partners and those aligning with their Eurasian projects will no longer sit at the table, which the Outlaw US Empire cannot abide.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 10 2018 17:46 utc | 104

I don't like everything about China, I don't like everything about Russia; I don't like everything about the EU, I despise everything about Saudi Arabia and Israel and I despise 60% of what the U.S. stands for. That being said I think they should all balance each other EXCEPT for the shitholes Israel and KSA that are lunatic countries that should be severely contained.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 10 2018 17:55 utc | 105

The one and only thing I like about the Russian and Chinese systems is that, by forcing ever more rapid US overstretch, they may help bring down the US system as fast as possible. Of course I want no globalizing industrial system at all to replace it.

There's literally nothing I like about KSA, the Zionist state, and most of all the US regime.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 10 2018 18:08 utc | 106

Alastair Crooke again provides us with an excellent think piece focused on debt cycles and their impact on Trump's plans, likely written before Meng's kidnapping was announced.

IMO, two recently published articles associated with the 65th anniversary of the CIA's attack on US and global citizenry known as MK Ultra need to be posted--an RT article republished by ICH and this Sputnik article. Far too few people within the target nations and globally are aware of what was aimed at them. As I commented to Sputnik's publication,

"After the revelation of so many crimes it's committed, WHY is this murderous "agency" still existing? If it were human, it would have been put to death decades ago. The CIA MUST be destroyed, its directors and other criminals prosecuted, along with its 16 Sisters residing within the Executive branch of the US Government."

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 10 2018 18:09 utc | 107

RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 10, 2018 12:46:25 PM | 106

The reason they're doing that is because the elites in China see it as a way of expanding their power. They need a strong middle class to become 'the most powerful nation.' They're not doing it out of the goodness of their own hearts. They're doing it because they're power hungry, like any other politician.

It's the same reason why Western nations are importing immigrants. Look at the demographics in Africa and Eastern Europe, and you'll find that the most highly educated people are leaving to join the West - there's a massive 'brain drain' problem in those countries. Western oligarchs want as many highly educated people in their country, without consideration for people who want simple lives and family. And whilst other countries will get to do the hard labor, the West is coasting through the 'information age' as we try to maintain our economic dominance in the world. All the while companies like Monsanto and in Silicon Valley use that - now effectively stolen - human resource of brain power to continue to financially enslave the third world by making them dependent on their patented foods and tech products, etc.

Yeah, sure, there's also the problem that people in the West aren't reproducing fast enough, so you need to import some poor people from those countries as well to make up for that. But that's just a side effect to the Western education bullshit and marketing schemes that push false narratives of consumerism and feminism on society so that the elites can effectively harvest the female brain power and labor for the same purpose and enable what is sold as 'more purchasing power' (by having women work) which grows the wealth of the elites as well. And rather than allow people to find happiness in family and community and such for free, everyone is taught to find joy in movies and phones - products to be sold.

Note that I'm not objecting to the notion of China (and India) taking their rightful place in society. I'm just pointing out that there's not an ounce of goodness in the motivations of their politicians & oligarchs, just like our own politicians & oligarchs. I'm also not objecting to empowering women, but look at how many end up getting in porn and stuff. It's all a huge scheme as far as I'm concerned. Dutiful servants and political masters: the trumpet is patriarchy - it's old and fixed, where women work in the open yet live in a trap.

Posted by: flayer | Dec 10 2018 18:09 utc | 108

Grieved 102

We tend to look at countries and try and park them within an ideology or category, be it communist or capitalist or whatever. Both current Russia and China I think should be classed as pragmatic rather than trying to fit them into a political ideology box.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Dec 10 2018 18:16 utc | 109

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 10, 2018 12:46:25 PM | 106

There's absolutely no way any unplanned economy like that of the Outlaw US Empire or EU could have attained similar accomplishments.

I see no accomplishments except necropolitan ones. At any rate, how do you figure the US system isn't a planned economy?

Suburbia? The dominion of the car? The interstate highway system? Industrial agriculture? The military-industrial complex? Just to name some obvious ones which never could have existed other than from top-down planning and massive subsidy.

Fact is, no corporate sector is remotely economically viable other than as part of the planned economy based on corporate welfare, intellectual property, and other planned subsidies. Planned-economy China agrees 100%, of course, thus its obscene subsidies to entice Apple to build factories there, to give just one example.

PRC's leaders are also very aware of their nation's ecological problems and how they interact with their future plans.

Yes, as much as possible they export them to Africa and Latin America.

(Even beyond ecological destruction, China's rapacious land-grabbing in Africa is one of the pure evils of our time. Same, of course, with the other land-grabber countries like KSA, Sweden, etc. But that's my point - all are evil, and there's nothing "good" to choose. And they all agree that Africans aren't human at all.)

Posted by: Russ | Dec 10 2018 18:19 utc | 110

Capitalists tell us that competition is a good thing. So let these national groupings compete for our blessing.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 10, 2018 12:02:18 PM | 99

Nicely stated, JR!

Posted by: BM | Dec 10 2018 18:22 utc | 111

Right now to enforce balance aside from containing Israel's power and KSAs 100% I believe in over-compensating China and Russia, and Iran, because Zionist U.S. together with its EU and Canadian, Aussie lackeys have abused power so flagrantly, therefore a major counterweight is required to bring these outlaws to heel.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 10 2018 18:22 utc | 112

You have to understand though, that it's many of those same capitalists that exported manufacturing to China in the first place, thereby allowing it to grow. That's there's some geopolitical differences between China and some sub-group of politicians/oligarchs in the West seems kind of secondary to this. In fact, I would suggest that they're going to use China as they did the Soviet Union - as an excuse and a reason to oppress at home ("just look at how bad the Chinese people have it with their social credit system!" "just look at how China is establishing military force in the South China Sea" etc). Just like they used mostly made up/self inflicted Islamic terrorism to establish surveillance states.

There's various factions and various motivations at work in the political and economic elite. They're just going to play off whatever they can use against the common people whilst reaping the benefits.

Another example of this duplicity: "we must import more foreigners from Africa because look at how bad we treated them in the past" - meanwhile African countries suffer from brain drain in their demographics and struggle to build up advanced competing economies because of that. And then they play off of that in politics by pitting ethnicities against each other, rather than the proletariat against the elites.

Posted by: flayer | Dec 10 2018 18:40 utc | 113

@TheBAG | Dec 9, 2018 1:22:21 PM | 14

Thanks for comparing the U.S. to the late Roman Empire.

Unfortunately, the US Empire has a lot of life left. The elites will not go gently into the night. They will rage against the dying of their power. And they still have tremendous power.

If by "tremendous power" you mean an ability to destroy the world, I agree. However, in destroying the world the US elites would be destroying themselves; I doubt they would do it. So total destruction is not really in their power.

(Some of them probably think they can survive in bunkers, but they are dreaming.)


It is popular to compare the US to the late Western Roman Empire just prior to the sacks of Rome by the Visigoths in the early fifth century. I think this is wishful thinking by those wanting to see an end to the US Empire.

If by the US Empire, you mean global preeminence, that is almost certainly on the wane. And some may argue that it is gone already.

The U.S. could not prevent some influential countries (most of Europe, plus Canada) from joining China's AIIB. The new bank is quite small in global terms, at least initially, but the point is that the U.S. could not force the countries to stay away, though it tried to do so. That is already an important loss of authority.

Another sign is that the Nordstream 2 pipeline is almost done. The U.S. has exerted every effort to prevent it, to no avail. And that is another sign of decline.

A third sign is that the U.S. is resorting to gangster tactics, like holding hostage the CFO of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou. If the Empire were truly dominant, it would not have to use such petty, desperate tactics (petty on the international scale).

If you mean that the U.S. will continue to be very powerful for decades to come, I agree. Global dominance, however, will be out of reach.

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 10 2018 18:45 utc | 114

flayer @110--

Do you have any evidence to support your allegation that PRC's leaders are "power hungry, like any other politician"? You do understand that to exhibit such a POV within China is understood as Corruption, for which people are punished with the Death Penalty.

Clearly, the impact of Orientalism still afflicts Western-educated minds.

Russ @108--

"... I want no globalizing industrial system at all to replace it."

The planet already has a globalized industrial system in place, which as we know is quite dysfunctional. What the nations of Eurasia are trying to do is deal with the dysfunctions--the maldistribution of wealth and the numerous destructive ecological problems--but are actively being prevented from doing so by the one entity that thrives on those dysfunctions--Big Money, which is what controls the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals that are doing the obstructing.

If humanity can overcome the dysfunctions and adopt the humane philosophy of the East of No Winners; No Losers, another global system of commercial interactions can be constructed, but a whole new civilizational drive must also be adopted--Accumulation of Wisdom must be the #1 goal of humans not the Accumulation of Things: For the current Dysfunction arises from the efforts at the Accumulation of Things.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 10 2018 18:45 utc | 115

@ flayer,


after reading all your posts, i can agree with some of your commentary, but not all of it.. if i understand you correctly, neo liberalism is a big part of the problem.. oligarchs is a word mostly used towards russia and china, but never mentioned in relation to western corporations.. maybe you are using the term for these corporations as well? otherwise it sounds like western propaganda.. the link to north korea interview is probably garbage..the idea that KJU is a neoliberal - he would probably be happy to be this, so he could rule over the serfs indefinitely.. either way, it seems like you have a problem with neoliberalism.. neoliberalism is eating away the planet as i see it.. i don't know how this flips around, but i too would like to see a as you say, a world "with consideration for people who want simple lives and family." we now have the opposite.. everyone is in a mad rush to fit into an ever faster racing madness to keep up - a lot of it financial pressure and fear of falling behind economically... we can thank this same neoliberal agenda for this..

i continue to believe private finance is at the root of much of the worlds problem... as @106 karlof1 mentions -the game of monopoly played out on the planet... i do believe that china and russia are not radically different from the usa and west, and that if given the chance they would happily like to control the planet.. i think we are better off in a multi polar world.. well, i think that is where we are headed, if we survive... what happens after that, i am not so sure about... i don't hold some special illusion on the idea that china or russia would be so much better then the west... however, i do believe there are characteristics from china and russia that could be beneficial for the planet, especially if we could get beyond neo-liberalism - consumerism and this mad race after money that is killing the planet..

Posted by: james | Dec 10 2018 18:45 utc | 116

RIP

William Blum, Renowned U.S. Foreign Policy Critic, Dead at 85

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Dec 10 2018 18:59 utc | 117

karlof1 says:

IMO, what PRC's leaders and their followers have accomplished is amazing

yeah, between 2011 and 2013 they poured more cement than the US did in the entire 20th century!

sounds kinda ominous, no?

Posted by: john | Dec 10 2018 18:59 utc | 118

RE: Posted by: james | Dec 10, 2018 1:45:24 PM | 118

Yes, I am saying that Russian oligarchs and politicians are no different from Western oligarchs and politicians, or indeed oligarchs and politicians from any country. I am honestly kind of confused that you would think I am not using the term oligarchs for westerners based on my writings.

If you read the rest of the interview with the North Koreans, you will see the BBC propaganda surrounding it. But I thought the quotes from the North Koreans were quite genuine and - in my mind - they point out very well how all politicians are effectively the same power-grabbing pieces of shit that Western media likes to pretend 'dictators' like Kim Jong Un (who is western educated) are.

If you subscribe to the left-right dichotomy in one form or another, I understand that you will not wholly agree with what I'm trying to convey. In my mind, I have reconciled many of the 'far right-wing conservative' and the 'far left-wing liberal' beliefs into a single anti-neoliberal view on politics.

Don't get me started on how people like the Rothschilds and others globalist elites are trying to capitalize on climate change to seize even more power for themselves - Macrons taxes are just one example of this.

Posted by: flayer | Dec 10 2018 19:04 utc | 119

@121 flayer... thanks for your additional comments! the reason i focus on the word 'oligarch' and what it means to you, is it is mostly used to demonize russia only! if someone wants to start using the word to describe western corporations, i am fine with that.. it just isn't in the mainstream as i see it, yet and is mostly a word trigger to stir up hostility towards russia.. hope that lessens your confusion..

Posted by: james | Dec 10 2018 19:25 utc | 120

flayer:

That's there's some geopolitical differences between China and some sub-group of politicians/oligarchs in the West seems kind of secondary to this.

No. That's a set-up for false equivalence.

Geo-political matters generally are given priority. But after the end of the Cold War (1991), elite hubris and institutional lethargy allowed capitalist exploitation to triumph over geo-politics for a time.

The "Shock Doctrine" was supposed to bring Russia to total capitulation in the 1990's, but it the Western capitalist vultures only angered the Russians and helped to drive them into the arms of the Chinese. That was a huge strategic blunder because the West needed Russia "on side" if them hoped to collar the Chinese Dragon. A 'monster' that Western elites fed and nurtured as they grew rich off Chinese cheap labor.

Now the butt-hurt Western elites face a real challenge from the combination of Russia, China, and others. The geo-political imperatives have been re-asserted.

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I have found that those that forcefully argue that there's no difference between oligarchs in the West and East use that as a stepping stone to: there's no difference between West and East and there's no reason for the people in the West to question their government's actions against Russia and China.

IMO it's much better for us to focus on what needs to change HERE, rather than nit-pick about what we can't change.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 10 2018 19:43 utc | 121

@112

Hi Russ, I'm intrigued by your mention of Sweden as a land-grabber--what lands are they trying to seize?

Posted by: Ash | Dec 10 2018 19:47 utc | 122

The F PTB seemingly can’t detach from the labels/groups they have set up. ;)

At first, the Gilets Jaunes (GJ) were labelled a mix of rabble rousers: politically part of the ‘radical left’ (no such thing exists, and even the ‘lefter’ movement, dir. Mélenchon isn’t so), and the ‘hard right’ (Marine le Pen).. stigmatising both! Marine - her party - aren’t ‘right’ in ‘social policy’, nor in other areas, but they do hype hate-Muslims, immigrants / terrorists etc., and now support Israel. Neither are for leaving the EU /quitting the Euro. (If they had joined for the presidential elections they would have won despite the ‘lameness’ but that can’t be because of competition in the ‘ersatz’ opposition which keeps them alive.)

Seing the GJ as a melding of the two was clumsy (negates the difference in pol opions)… Now corrected, the narrative has settled onto merely ‘populist’ - an article in OBS. stresses that Trump, Salvini, Steve Bannon, support the GJ, and surely Putin is meddling in favor - help! fake Twitter accounts! - link. (Only outside demons are pointed to. The valiant F must resist these evil foreign influences.)

The F trad. pol. structure has now completely collapsed, makes zero sense. (It led to the election of Macron as a sort of ‘last try.’)

The GJ refuse to be ‘recuperated’, taken over by either one of these parties, and that they have no ‘leaders’ etc. is positive. The mode is : confrontation, not negotiation between ‘blocks’ or leader fights, but demand(s) contra continued disruption. The PTB, if they face specific ppl they can coerce, manipulate, co-opt, or imprison/kill, they ‘win’ - therefore they fear a mob and will do anything to change that - see grabbing some GJs and interviewing them on tv etc.

I am now pessimistic re. the GJ being able to accomplish anything. (Though Wesson at 4 is right about the numbers imho.) The contra force is too powerful and cohesive: “PTB”, globalists, EU-crats, mega - corps, banks, industrialists, upper 20% - 30%, Unis, intellectuals, Gvmt - pol parties inactive/excluded/no impact, MSM part of Gov., propaganda blaring. The figures that have come out in support are punished or derided.. One député wore a yellow vest; others are marginal - Todd, Alain Soral, Asselineau maybe, B. Bardot.. The Gvmt. is bringing max pressure from all fronts to bear.

I really hope I am wrong, and just feeling temp. down.

https://www.nouvelobs.com/politique/20181209.OBS6814/de-trump-a-salvini-toute-l-internationale-populiste-applaudit-les-gilets-jaunes.html

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 10 2018 20:04 utc | 123

S @ 87 -does China itself count as a nation violently regime changed by China during the prior 50 years?

Of course it does. We are looking through different lenses. Yours appears to be a fostered hatred of the US/West and a romanticisation of those nations you perceive to be adversarial.

In fact, I'm sure you hate the US more than the Chinese elites and ruling CCP do. By far. Ditto Russian elites and their ruling class interests. The Chinese elites were well-served by Nixon's and Kissinger's post-cultural revolution overtures. The subsequent opening to the West's markets has been one of the smashing success stories of global capitalism. So I hear, anyway.

I'll be interested in seeing whose reporting will succeed in changing your mind when the Chinese and/or Russian states become "more evil" than the US.

Which wasn't my argument by the way. Mine was on the so-called "false equivalency", remember? But here is the difference. You are comparing nations. I'm comparing ruling classes and the wealthiest .001% who rule the world as well as the respective countries from a political standpoint. I see nothing false in my equivalency. Sorry.

Posted by: donkeytale | Dec 10 2018 20:04 utc | 124

>For the 'peons' I met there [in China], life was good.
>Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Dec 10, 2018 12:32:43 PM | 104

A good test of an allegedly civilized society is how it treats its lowest status residents. In China, what happens to a person with no property and few financial resources who gets sick and can no longer work?

Will they be denied competent medical care? Can they get access to the necessities of life such as food and shelter? Will they be abandoned by family and friends, and labeled "freeloader" by government gatekeepers? 'Cause that's what happens in Uncle Sam Land. It is no surprise to me that suicide rates are high and going up. It is Uncle Sam's preferred solution to the problem of "useless eaters".

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 10 2018 20:26 utc | 125

donkeytale

Western elites respond to the imperatives of the AZ Empire, not the people.

That's why your equivalence fails.

Western commoners are sick of the games the Western elites play. As well as donkeys that carry water for the Empire.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 10 2018 20:46 utc | 126

17.06.2018 Author: Andre Vltchek

West is Spreading Sick, Racist Anti-Chinese Nihilism

Posted by: ex-SA | Dec 10 2018 21:05 utc | 127

When violence is unleashed, freedom ends
In his first public comments in more than a week, French President Emmanuel Macron said on Monday that his administration will show "no mercy" towards "Yellow Vest" protesters who have committed violence over the last four weeks of demonstrations across the country.

macron must teach these antisemites a lesson before this spreads all over europe macron would be well guided to talk to tony blair and gordon brown ask how they took the ideas of thatcher and transformed the uk forever. with help from other nations france can build a better future for africa and the world. the un meeting in morrocco on the 18th of dec is vital for the stability of europe managed immigration during the next 30 years with increased vaccination of the elderly insitu country will hell with this transformation.
winter vaccines for the old and importation of young men of fighting age is a vital part of this project.

Posted by: maurice | Dec 10 2018 21:11 utc | 128

Damn Donkey can you graciously recede back into retirement? I mean god DAMN, with your tedious ass. All those words, just to couch insults to strangers on the internet who insulted your establishment heroes? Are you going to do this to your dying day?

Posted by: sejomoje | Dec 10 2018 21:18 utc | 129

@ Flayer 94

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I would suspect they are doing it to protect their investments from the gangsters nearby.

Posted by: arby | Dec 10 2018 23:01 utc | 130

@Debsisdead | Dec 9, 2018 8:30:35 PM | 56

Listen sorry to interrupt consideration of outrage de jour but I have posted on China malfeasance in Aotearoa in the Huawei.

And I have asked Debs to explain why China would have even the slightest interest in a country as tiny and remote as Aotearoa (New Zealand). Perhaps NZ's haka dancers (which include the All Blacks rugby team) are more important than I know?

Some private actors of Chinese ethnicity might be doing something dirty; every country has some criminals. But these people are quite distinct from China as a whole.

Without a reasonable explanation for why China's government would be interested in subverting NZ, I'm concluding that the lurid stories of these alleged subversions by official Beijing are pure propaganda.

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 10 2018 23:03 utc | 131

re # BM | Dec 10, 2018 11:52:56 AM | 96

Drongos who imagine the actions of PRC in Aotearoa story is either elite propaganda or 'smalltown irrelevance' only serve to reveal their paucity of thought combined with closed minded reliance on some regimes being 'good'.

If they bothered to spend 5 minutes actually investigating reports on this woeful act, they would see the MSM (drongos favourite term) is seeking to play down these revelations 'there is nothing going on here' usually reserved for their own actions. There are a few reasons for this chiefly that the revelations cause embarassment for the small band of elites and their enablers in Aotearoa & Australia. Particularly Australia where some truly wealthy and powerful players (BHP Billiton & Gina Rinehart come to mind) have been making billions selling Oz resources to China. They do not want to upset that and believe that nothing is good about bringing down the conservative politicians who allowed China's spies to try to corrupt the political system. "Frankly no one cares" they believe - well no one who is anyone, as englanders and amerikans have been screwing the political structures for nearly a century anyway. Witness the dismissal of Whitlam's elected government after it tried to prevent takeover of Oz resources by amerika.

That is why kiwis totally reformed their political structure in the early 90's introducing proportional representation and state funding of election campaigns prohibiting large private political donations thereby opening the system up to much more than the usual duopoly seen in amerika, england and still in Oz (altho Oz senate which is proportional is now chocka with 'independents').
China ignored the law and snuck hundreds of thousands of dollars to conservative pols in many secret $15000 increments ($15000 being the largest allowable donation - but it must be declared - it wasn't)

Jen linked to an ABC (Oz) article which played the Jian Yang spy story down.
This Chinese agent had been working at ANU prior to moving to NZ (unusual of itself the flow is normally the other way among migrants to Australasia).
Australia National University (ANU) is located in Canberra, one of its many sidelines is Duntroon Military College which is the uni for Oz army, navy and airforce officers, and it is also the tertiary institution which trains ASIO (internal/domestic spies) and ASIS (external working outta embassies outside Oz spies).
from the ABC article:


"During September and November 1994 I worked as an intern in Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade, the Australian Parliament," Mr Yang wrote in his New Zealand residency application in 1998."

The ABC long penetrated by inteligence agencies as are most state owned TV & radio services about the world, played down the stuff about Jian Yang's actions in Australia because they didn't want the embarassment which the conservative pols had faced in Aotearoa.

This is all standard intelligence play - always deceive never admit errors or screw ups and always, always, do as the elite commands. They don't want China upset cos it could lose them money, then don't upset China.

Honestly I worry about the mirror image of the other side some commenters present here.
Many posts reveal a human incapable of critical thinking who churns out the same cliches but opposite of the 0.001% who control the planet. I really like the weak rationalisation BM made about what happened doesn't matter because it is 'smalltown', a typical plodding thought of a human unable to understand that resistance always begins at the outer fringes, amerika will never confront its own villains as the citizens are weak indoctrinated cyphers who would rather get fat and kill each other than take on the enemy. Change won't occur in amerika until the rest of the world has done the heavy lifting.
BM writes much such stuff, typical of a former hack academic too used to filling kids heads up with easily digestable pap, sometimes it may make you feel good to read it as he is reasonably articulate, but you always hear a voice at the back of yer mind saying "I've heard this before" Nothing original which is just as the crooks like it; as long as any opposition sticks to the usual cliches all is well because most people have been indoctrinated to reject such obvious thoughts. How does it feel to be such a willing tool of the elite BM?

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 10 2018 23:12 utc | 132

Noirette@125

I would agree that the globalists are going all out to destroy the French people's will to resist. Almost all politicians, media, banksters, corporate leaders (except perhaps Lassalle) are united against the Gilets Jaunes, as are corrupt union leaders (except the VIGI) etc.

It would seem that all institutions in France and throughout the Western World have been corrupted by the insiders. A good book on this topic is "Pathfinding our Destiny: Preventing the Final Fall of our Democratic Republic" The first chapter is available online at:
https://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html

Do not give up hope as the Gilets Jaunes have overwhelming support throughout France outside of Paris. I hope you can enjoy this musical video on the GJ movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPzi5CJdbM

Best wishes...

Posted by: Krollchem | Dec 10 2018 23:23 utc | 133

: Cyril | Dec 10, 2018 6:03:46 PM | 133
You really aren't capable of thought either are you 'cyril'? Fire away with your petty racism about haka dancers, your reaction tells us much more about your small minded prejudice than anything about China's malfeasance.

Not possessing ESP I cannot answer your query about why accurately, but I do have a couple of speculations Firstly Aotearoa is a founder member of 5 eyes In the past kiwi intelligence has been tasked with some dodgy stuff in places other members cannot access. Something to do with official longstanding opposition to some of the elite's foulest acts in the ME and Asia has given aotearoa (IMO) undeserved credibility.

NZ parliament oversees 5 eyes. Secondly this is a counter to oblamblam's effort to 'pivot to the pacific' H clinton selected fiji, an even smaller military dictatorship to kick that off.

Many kiwis object when this stuff happens, they lean on the few remaining old school pols who support 5 eyes to persuade em not to do that stuff, now China has really screwed up, they annoyed the previously supportive lefty pols so much with China's tory arse kissing that the new government has allowed the security dropkicks from Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) to block the proposed Huawei rollout of 5g which had been slated to begin early next year.

Fool - one side good - other side bad prolly never experienced the real world in all its chaotic glory.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 10 2018 23:28 utc | 134

"A good test of an allegedly civilized society is how it treats its lowest status residents."
Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 10, 2018 3:26:34 PM | 127

Very true, and you go on to raise a number of important questions regarding China. While I don't profess to be able answer them, I duckduckgoed (or is it duckduckwent?) the question How many sweatshop workers are there in China? and the first page to pop up was this interesting item from waronwant.org (not an outfit I'm familiar with), which makes some notable claims. For starters:

"Despite the rapid growth of the Chinese economy in the last decade, more than 482 million people in China – 36% of the population – live on less than $2 a day." https://waronwant.org/sweatshops-china

Presumably somewhere, somehow, there's someone living on less than $2 a day for whom "life is good," but I'm guessing the planet isn't positively lousy with such people. Anyway, if I ever meet one he can expect no handout from me! It might drive him into a higher tax bracket and impair his bliss.

Posted by: drj | Dec 10 2018 23:41 utc | 135

"A good test of an allegedly civilized society is how it treats its lowest status residents."
Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 10, 2018 3:26:34 PM | 127

Very true, and you go on to raise a number of important questions regarding China. While I don't profess to be able answer them, I duckduckgoed (or is it duckduckwent?) the question How many sweatshop workers are there in China? and the first page to pop up was this interesting item from waronwant.org (not an outfit I'm familiar with), which makes some notable claims. For starters:

"Despite the rapid growth of the Chinese economy in the last decade, more than 482 million people in China – 36% of the population – live on less than $2 a day." https://waronwant.org/sweatshops-china

Presumably somewhere, somehow, there's someone living on less than $2 a day for whom "life is good," but I'm guessing the planet isn't positively lousy with such people. Anyway, if I ever meet one he can expect no handout from me! It might drive him into a higher tax bracket and impair his bliss.

Posted by: drj | Dec 10 2018 23:41 utc | 136

apologies for double post...

Posted by: drj | Dec 10 2018 23:48 utc | 137

IMO, what happened to Maria Buttina is disgusting and tantamount to what was done to Japanese Americans when they were put in internment camps. Right now there's a lot of Russophobia happening and every Russian looks like kgb! The only thing that I dislike about Buttina is her gun-totting association with the NRA. It was inhumane to put her in solitary confinement in a small cell for so long. Then Americans condemn NK and Iran when they catch U.S. spies trying to stir trouble in their countries! Double standard much? Just release her already! Bozo American justice.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 10 2018 23:52 utc | 138

@140 circe... yes, but the usa system wants to break her in solitary confinement, so that she will agree to some guilty charge even if it has nothing to do with espionage... that is the plan... and when she is let go the msm will tell us she is guilty and that russia is again guilty of their endless invasion of usa's freedumb... well, that is how the script is playing out... meanwhile, that laughable nation called the usa is on one sick downhill slope with no end in sight...

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 0:13 utc | 139

"After a second full day of hearings, there is no decision on whether the embattled chief financial officer of Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei will be granted bail. The hearing is scheduled to resume Tuesday."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/huaweo-meng-wanzhou-vancouver-bail-hearing-1.4939320

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 0:41 utc | 140

Maria Buttina case is really absurd. I mean, there is little doubt in my mind that she had her own country in mind even as she interacted with the NRA people. This is human nature. It's possible that she had some contacts with Russians at home who represented official Russian business.

But what exactly is the Israel lobby, if not a large-scale operation of exactly that - with citizens from the US and Israel intermixed, perhaps dual citizenry to boot? It's crazy to think of Maria as something exceptionally criminal that needs punishing if you blindly allow the other. Did she at any point even lie about being from Russia as she spoke with the NRA people?

It's straight up xenophobia towards the Russian ethnicity. One party hates the Muslims, the other hates the Russians. Both are xenophobic.

Posted by: flayer | Dec 11 2018 1:03 utc | 141

On 5 Jan 2018, The Economist, a publication certainly not friendly of the PRC or its government, published this article reviewing "China's plan to eliminate poverty by 2020" on its road to creating a moderately prosperous society by 2021, establishing Made in China by 2025, then culminating in 2035 with China becoming a Modern Socialist Country. Pepe Escobar provided this overview in 2017.

China's very aggressively trying to eliminate poverty, while the USA is going in reverse as poverty grows, the government slashes supporting programs and has zero plan to try and eliminate it, and in many states and localities it criminalizes those unlucky enough to be out on the street and even prevent others from trying to help. How's that for Exceptional!?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2018 1:12 utc | 142

Social Credit. Sounds like an idea that will be coming West soon with China being the testing grounds before rolling out globally

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4

Pretty neat way to control people from speaking out against Government.

Man, I am glad I am old

Posted by: Pft | Dec 11 2018 1:14 utc | 143

There has been news that a house in Vancouver belonging to Sabrina Meng's husband was broken into at about 5:30 am on Sunday, 9 December 2018. The intruders fled when accosted by someone living there.
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/americas/vancouver-police-investigate-break-in-at-family-home-of-huawei-executive-meng-wanzhou

Posted by: Jen | Dec 11 2018 1:19 utc | 144

@Debsisdead | Dec 10, 2018 6:28:18 PM | 136

[Speculation that China's interest in subverting NZ could be related to the Five Eyes]

And you have just as much evidence of that as May (the UK's PM) has of her repeated accusation that the Skripals were poisoned by the Russians. As you use the BBC and the FT to bolster your arguments, and they have been conclusively demonstrated to be liars in the case, I think you are spreading propaganda.

Fire away with your petty racism about haka dancers, your reaction tells us much more about your small minded prejudice than anything about China's malfeasance.

Nice insult. You missed though. As I said, the All Blacks as among the haka dancers, and the team has had both whites and maoris. So obviously I was not being racist in using the term "haka".

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 11 2018 1:30 utc | 145

Debsisdead, reading through your post @ 134, this chinese agent could just as easily be working for five eyes. Going by his resume, he may well be.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Dec 11 2018 1:38 utc | 146

@143 flayer.. that is how i see it too...


@144 karlof1... that is exceptional indeed.. very sad and exceptional...

@146 jen.. i read that earlier today...

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 1:42 utc | 147

@129 ex-SA

Thank you for the amazing Andre Vltchek essay on China.

Vltchek is a human of the world, a traveler and observer. His view of China and his facts about the world's view of China, together with China's actions in the world, stand all of a piece, coherent and true.

Vltchek points up the inherent racism and arrogance of the western culture, and I see now that it's true. He is completely correct to say that this western arrogance would destroy the entire world. It would terminate all life on Earth and

"The final holocaust would be accompanied by self-righteous speeches, unrestrained arrogance, gasping ignorance of the state of the world, and generally no regrets."

This western view has always treated the Chinese as less than dogs, massacred them in their masses and exploited them in every way possible.

And China, says Vltchek, is the oldest and largest nation on Earth that simply wants to see all its neighbors prosper and be healthy, because this is the way in which it can itself live in peace and at ease, conducting exchange of all kind with its neighbors. But this claim about China will meet with utter denial from that western racist arrogance - because, as Vltcheck writes,

"The West tries to smear everything that is pure and it repeats that "everyone in this world is essentially the same" (a thief)."

But too bad, because Vltcheck makes his case too well, to any mind open to learning the reality of the Chinese presence in this world. Everything he writes in this one essay is congruent with everything else I have read that also makes sense and rings true and accords with facts that can be verified.

We are caught in the western mind, and caught in centuries of racist arrogance. And even for us right here in this forum, our discussion in this very thread offers a glimpse into the ways in which we are caught, if we wish to examine them in the context of other views of China, including the Chinese view, but views all taken from a place outside of the west, safely removed from this mad, killer mind.

And I think it is a killer mind, that reached one of its peaks in the colonized Americas. D.H. Lawrence once said of the US mind, "“The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.”

And Vltcheck says almost in passing that

"Western bigotry, brutality and imperialism are much older than capitalism. I believe that the things are precisely the opposite: Western violent culture is the core of the savage capitalism."

There's simply too much truth in what Vltcheck sees and writes here about the west, even to try to deny it. And I am of the west, and I have felt proud of its character as I once saw it, but this is now greatly overshadowed by its evils, and Vltcheck offers a good view of how all this may be.

So perhaps in fact, China and its mystery is really ourselves and our mystery. Judge for yourself (and please don't bother judging me):
West is Spreading Sick, Racist Anti-Chinese Nihilism


Posted by: Grieved | Dec 11 2018 2:04 utc | 148

Concerning Chinas War on Poverty which some call a War on the Poor this article sheds a bit of light

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/08/chinas-war-on-poverty-could-hurt-the-poor-most/amp/

Basically those living in rural areas which make up a good portion of the poor have their land seized at 10 cents on the dollar and forced to move to 3rd tier cities where they may live on short term subsidies and the land pay out. Health care access is limited in rural areas and 3rd tier cities due to shortage of HC workers who prefer the big cities. Shanghai and Beijing discourage migrant workers from rural areas to keep down the number of poor. Migrant workers, where permitted are subject to exploitation and lack of social security benefits although this is improving a bit.

Keeping poverty low is always a concern for every country to prevent unrest and revolution. China no different.

Its interesting to see China following the neoliberal method of focusing on mandatory social insurance taxes for social security rather than just printing money like they do for infrastructure and military. Not much different than the West (except the US neglects infrastructure for military) . Income equality is even worse in China than in the US. Deng said some must get rich first but this is extreme.

Lot of those riches of their Oligarchs end up in the West fueling real estate bubbles in Vancouver, Boston, NY, etc.


Posted by: Pft | Dec 11 2018 2:07 utc | 149

Macron has made a few concessions. Minimum wage, taxation and he even mentioned immigration. Will that be enough? We shall see.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46513189

Posted by: dh | Dec 11 2018 2:08 utc | 150

@151 "Lot of those riches of their Oligarchs end up in the West fueling real estate bubbles in Vancouver, Boston, NY, etc."

True. Which makes me wonder how much sympathy Meng will get in Vancouver. She will probably get support from her peers but not so much from ordinary Canadians who have been squeezed out of the housing market.

Posted by: dh | Dec 11 2018 2:33 utc | 151

@ Grieved who quoted Vltcheck as saying"...Western violent culture is the core of the savage capitalism."

I have an anthropological theory that says we are on the edge of evolution/or not of our species. I think that the genes that fueled and continue to fuel that Neanderthal Might-Makes-Right/feudal/faith based meme remain in some of us, probably more in the West....grin!

Will humanity get beyond this impasse? I hope so but agree with others that most in the West are zombies yet and easily led to their own extinction......sigh

I keep hoping for aliens.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 11 2018 2:33 utc | 152

RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 10, 2018 8:12:30 PM | 144

Their pursuit of eliminating poverty is exceptional indeed - truly it is. But I believe that China is also "aggressively" "teaching" the Uighurs about "Chinese Exceptionalism"? As in, they are attempting to instill a "Chinese national pride" in about half a million of them under the guise of "curbing Muslim extremism"?

I was watching this interview with a Uighur-American activist. She is clearly biased and very apologetic towards the United States (to a ridiculous degree, might I add), but there are a lot of calls of missing people referenced throughout the interview. Do you believe those are all lies? Do you believe that China is NOT a surveillance state similar - if not worse - than the Western world is these days? Especially so if you are Muslim (like the Uighurs)?

Or do you believe those reports are all lies? That's not to say I blindly believe all the details of how people are being treated. Plus, of course, even half a million Uighurs imprisoned pales in comparison to the amount prisoners that the United States keeps - percentage wise relative to the total population. But there is clearly SOMETHING going on there.

The notion that China is tackling poverty is a great thing. I believe that to be true. But they are also a state that values "law and order" very strongly. It runs very deep within modern day Chinese culture - sometimes at the cost of people who do not adhere to that culture. Their social credit system seem quite toxic to me. I am not looking forward to having that imported here, as comment #145 said. And unfortunately I have to live here for 40-50 more years.

I think you can also make an argument that "China" as it exists today, is the result of historical imperialism - the country has taken several chunks of Mongolia, keeps Tibet as a province, even the Uighurs have some claims to autonomy, etc. This imperialism seems to require some degree of oppression of people from those non-Han ethnicities in the modern day. The fact that it is not currently expanding it borders or invading other countries (with the possible exception of the islets in the South China Sea - unless you are willing to forego the claims of nations closer to those islets than China) does not mean it has no imperialistic/authoritarian nature.

Posted by: flayer | Dec 11 2018 2:34 utc | 153

john helmer article, written by christopher black on the arrest of meng wanzhou... link here..

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 2:44 utc | 154

@156 I understand your anger james and Trudeau does strike me as a bit of a drip. But he has to face reality. Trump thinks he has a case against China and a lot of Americans agree with him.

Of course Trudeau could turn Meng loose and tell the folks in Washington to fuck off but I'm not sure that would help the Canadian people.

Posted by: dh | Dec 11 2018 3:10 utc | 155

So Maria Butina (I misspelled her name previously, and gun-toting, one t for both!) is cooperating with Washington prosecutors. Of course, after being locked up for so long in solitary, which amounts to psychological torture, she will say anything to be set free. Apparently Russian spies never cooperate, so then she's not a Russian spy.

The investigation of Butina was initiated by the FBI, which begs the question: Why would Mueller not even handle her case and let the D.C. State Attorney handle it, when she's Russian and was trying to improve U.S. perceptions of Russia and she had contact with Trump's son and got access to Trump when she questioned him at a political event on sanctions? So why was Mueller not interested in handling her case? Is it because he sensed there was nothing substantial there? So then why torture her psychologically? None of this makes sense.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 11 2018 3:19 utc | 156

@157 dh.. tying a row boat to a sinking ship doesn't sound like a successful tactic to me... trump/bolton is no friend of canada to toss this crap in canada's lap... it is more trade war stuff and putting canada in the middle of it.. but of all this you will mostly get resigned acceptance from most canucks... we're quite apathetic at this point...

i suppose it depends on the time frame of one's perspective - short term, or long term... same deal climate change and many other topics - everything is short term thinking... western culture - is a fast food, disposable, take out type of culture when it comes to most everything.. that can't bode well in the long run...

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 3:22 utc | 157

@158 circe.. i have been saying this for a few days... gulag usa is not a place that has any respect for the welfare of it's own people, let alone foreigners.. that they put her in solitary confinement says more about the usa system that anything i can think of..

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 3:24 utc | 158

@159 "trump/bolton is no friend of canada ..."

That's obvious. Trump treats Canada like something that got stuck to his shoe. But I think you just have to grin and bear it james. Look on the bright side...if and when the US totally collapses Canada is in a much better position to survive....if you don't get flooded with refugees.

Posted by: dh | Dec 11 2018 3:30 utc | 159

@dh... i like the glass half full overview, lol...

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 3:34 utc | 160

@162 I know Canada quite well james. My impression has always been that you have a social cohesion lacking in the US. This means a caring population, social services, less crime etc..and a wealth of natural resources. I hope you can keep it that way.

Posted by: dh | Dec 11 2018 3:39 utc | 161

: drj 137


I've seen that one trotted out many time before, to show how pathetic the Chinese are.

First off, a friendly advice.
When you grab something from the web, ask yourself , is it verifiable. ?
There's a jungle out there/

Even if its true, fact remains, Chinese are making huge progress and they seem to be contented.

But Here's the point,
poverty is not a crime, greed is not a virtue.

The Chinese make a honest living thru blood , sweat and tear.

fukus make its fortune also thru blood, sweat and tear ....of those vanquised people.

The Chinese ares still poor, but they have nothing to be ashamed about

Posted by: denk | Dec 11 2018 4:20 utc | 162

Ash 124


Russ is bleating about ecology destruction and land grab by China,..
You might wanna ask him what happens to that elephant in the room ?

Most of the UNESCO certified natural treasures
have been appropriated by fukus and turned into
concrete monsters, as murkkkan naval bases.

Exhibit
Diego Garcia
Okinawa
Jeju island
GUam
Vieques
Phalawan
Bikini island [nuked into glass]

Meet the world's no 1 land grabber and eco destroyer.

' The most appalling example is the proposed Mariana Islands Training and Testing region (MITT), which would open up approximately one million square miles of open ocean to full-spectrum, year-round live-fire military practice, over an area larger than the states of Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, Montana and New Mexico, combined. It would also include the whole of the supposedly “protected” Marianas Trench Marine National Monument, established by President Bush in 2009.

Full-spectrum” live-fire military exercises means year-round amphibious attacks, bombing, torpedos, underwater mines and other detonations from the air, from the sea, and from the ground, as well as sonar training that will result in permanent hearing loss for scores of whales and dolphins.

Aircraft dropping Mark 82 227 kg high-drag bombs over Farallon de Medinilla Island, Mariana Islands, during military exercise.

The U.S. military has been conducting such full-spectrum live-fire training for the past three-and-a-half years over a half-million square miles of the open Pacific, and also upon the island of Farallon de Medinilla. Farallon de Medinilla, once teeming with amazing sea life and rare migratory birds, has been bombed and disfigured to unrecognizability.'

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/caroline-kennedy-criticizes-dolphin-slaughters

Posted by: denk | Dec 11 2018 4:28 utc | 163

russ 112
*Even beyond ecological destruction, China's rapacious land-grabbing in Africa is one of the pure evils of our time. *

Citation please.

Posted by: denk | Dec 11 2018 4:31 utc | 164

@163 dh.. thanks.. i hope so too..as a canuck, i have always thought of myself as a citizen of the world first, and canada 2nd... i don't know if this is a canadian thing.. probably not, but it is my thing... until we all figure out how to get along on the planet, we are in trouble.. i would like to think that like @154 psychohistorian - we are on the edge of a growth spurt and we can come out the other side of this on the upside... but going into it looks scary and that is what this looks like to me..

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 4:41 utc | 165

*I don't like everything about China, I don't like everything about Russia; I don't like everything about the EU, I despise everything about Saudi Arabia and Israel and I despise 60% of what the U.S*

wow,
Yet another 'China is far worse than us' progressive
Now I've seen it all/

heheheh

Posted by: denk | Dec 11 2018 4:45 utc | 166

I was looking at this piece by denk "The Chinese make a honest living thru blood , sweat and tear.
fukus make its fortune also thru blood, sweat and tear ....of those vanquised people.
The Chinese ares still poor, but they have nothing to be ashamed about"

And the links to US UK based NGO's the anti China mob on this forum have been putting up.
Apart from sufficient food and shelter to survive, all else is simply greener grass on the other side of the fence.
Very little is needed for a decent life - food, water and shelter from the elements is about it. The rest is just amusement once the basics are achieved.
China's fifty year plan is to bring all its citizens up to 'western' standards of income. that is a big ask with their population density, but they are halfway there and halfway through their plan.
Obummer brought in a military pivot on China which Trump is continuing, and Trump is bringing in an economic piviot on China.
Back in 2013-14 people I talked to here in oz considered the US the greatest threat to world peace.
Now, with 24 7 propaganda, those same people think we need the US to defend us against Russia and China. Defending against China wasn't a hard sell as most ozzies have a bit of a worry about the yellow peril invading from the north.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Dec 11 2018 4:49 utc | 167

flayer@155

I was born under the US occupation of Hawaii in 1948.

As for China's claim on the South China Sea - See the San Francisco Peace Treaty:

"Japan occupied the Paracel and Spratly Islands in 1939 and annexed both islands into the administrative jurisdiction of Taiwan. After World War II, the troops of the Republic of China were responsible for receiving both of the islands upon the surrender of the Japanese army. On April 28, 1952, the San Francisco Peace Treaty came into force and the Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty was signed, with both treaties stipulating that Japan renounce the right, title and claim to the Paracel and Spratly Islands. According to the principle of uti possidetis and occupation, the Republic of China has had the priority right of occupation to hold the right of sovereignty to both islands since that critical date."
Issues & Studies© 50, no. 3 (September 2014): 169-196.

See also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco

Posted by: Krollchem | Dec 11 2018 4:51 utc | 168

flayed

And yet, as bad as China (or Russia) is, it pales in comparison to the AZ Empire.

USA has spent trillions fighting useless wars for outposts of the Empire. It has supported a proxy army of Jihadis and occupied Afghanistan for 17 years. It has kettled EU vassal states. It has conducted color revolutions and toppled sovereign governments that refused to bend the knee. And it has turned democracy into a plaything of neoliberal oligarchs.

Is there a bright side? Is there some noble purpose that might justify these transgressions? No. Not at all. And the hollow justifications and assorted bullshit spit out by MSM pundits and trolls only underscore the nature of the selfish and self-serving elites that they serve.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 11 2018 5:04 utc | 169

For those like me watching China for information about the opening up of their financial sector there is this posting from Xinhuanet

Economic Watch: China accelerates opening-up in financial sector

The take away quote from Yi Gang, governor of the People's Bank of China, the country's central bank, who wrote in a signed article last week:
"
The central bank will develop the financial market, push forward financial reform and expand opening-up under the premise of maintaining financial system stability, ensuring continuous financial services and forestalling systemic financial risks, Yi said.
"

The posting also says that USB has bought controlling interest in a bank and
"
In May, U.S. financial giant J.P. Morgan also submitted an application to the China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) seeking to set up a new, fully-integrated securities firm, in which it would hold a 51-percent stake and expect to raise its ownership to 100 percent over the next few years.
"

I read the statement by Li that China is consciously taking on private finance and will assume Reserve Currency status when all the ducks are in a row.

All that said, how does the taking hostage of Meng not threaten that evolution? Or is it all kabuki while the decisions have already been made behind the scenes?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 11 2018 5:39 utc | 170

Below is another link from Xinhuanet that you most likely won't see reported elsewhere

China, Germany agree to further intensify bilateral ties

The take away quote from German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier
"
He said Germany is satisfied with the development of Germany-China relations and willing to enhance dialogue and mutual understanding, expand consensus, narrow differences, intensify coordination in international affairs and uphold free trade.

Germany opposes protectionism in any form, said Steinmeier, adding that the country will continue to promote cooperation between Europe and China and boost connectivity between Eurasia and China.
"

I see a future with Germany aligned with China/Russia and others....and not too far off I suspect

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 11 2018 5:51 utc | 171

RE: Posted by: Krollchem | Dec 10, 2018 11:51:21 PM | 170

Yeah... Last I checked San Fransisco was over 7000 miles away from the Spratly Islands. Did the United States (or Japan) really have the right to give away islands that arguably belong to the Philippines, for example? Vietnam also lays claims to some of these islets. I think this is a matter that should be resolved between the peoples who live in nations neighboring the South China Sea, not some treaty by a force that occupied those grounds before and/or after World War 2.

Unfortunately, China is having none of that and simply started building and warding of the people from neighboring nations who used them in their fishing adventures. I think it's a matter of concern - although the United States has no business being there at all, obviously.

Posted by: flayer | Dec 11 2018 6:13 utc | 172

flayer | Dec 11, 2018 1:13:19 AM | 174
“Did the United States (or Japan) really have the right to give away islands that arguably belong to the Philippines, for example?”

Did you notice that the countries you mentioned all signed the treaty? Also, when will the US return Hawaii to its native people and pay reparations?

As for you attacks on China, perhaps some of the other readers might enjoy the background of beautiful Chinese cities in the World Cup 2018 Performance by Dimash Kudaibergen, the greatest singer of the modern era. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd4aITXjndk

Yes China has pollution problems and has sacrificed the health of its citizens. This was done to prevent Western neocolonialization by building its technology base. Do you like your HD TV and cell phone?

As for environmental issues did you know that China's greening of the Kubuqi Desert is the best example of land reclamation in the world.
http://time.com/4851013/china-greening-kubuqi-desert-land-restoration/

As for homelessness, Xi is tackling this issue which is far worse in the US.

Posted by: Krollchem | Dec 11 2018 7:07 utc | 173

"drj... I've seen that one trotted out many time before, to show how pathetic the Chinese are."
Posted by: denk | Dec 10, 2018 11:20:52 PM | 164

It was no part of my intention "to show how pathetic the Chinese are," something I don't believe or wish to be associated with in any way. Apparently I needed to issue a snark alert in giant luminous letters, but alas, too late. My intention -- quite literally and snarklessly this time -- was to suggest that for people living on less than $2 a day, whether in China or elsewhere, life isn't good; and that's true of an enormous number of Chinese IF the figures provided by the charity waronwant.org are correct.

As to your "friendly advice" not to trust every source on the Web indiscriminately, i.e., condescension, thank you, but I'm well aware of it, hence my explicit disclaimer that waronwant.org is "not an outfit I'm familiar with." FWIW: a quick Web search suggests the principal charge against them is they favor boycotting Israel -- not exactly the stuff of which Western chauvinism towards China is usually made, is it? On the other hand, if you have evidence that waronwant.org's figures on poverty in China are wrong, let alone deliberate and tendentious Sinophobic slurs, as you appear to suggest they are, then by all means let's see it. No a priori demography, please. That said, I agree with the rest of your post.

Posted by: drj | Dec 11 2018 7:17 utc | 174

Hi Ash @ 124

Hi Russ, I'm intrigued by your mention of Sweden as a land-grabber--what lands are they trying to seize?

A search engine is your friend. Here's one of many pieces which come up on the first page. GRAIN is always one of the best go-tos for the corporate agricultural onslaught against humanity and the Earth.

https://www.grain.org/article/entries/4422-grain-calls-for-end-to-land-grabbing-at-swedish-parliament

Here in Sweden, people can start by taking on companies, like Black Earth Farming, which have bought or leased farmland overseas. They are not allowed to do this here in Sweden and should not be permitted to do so abroad. Campaigns can be launched to pressure Swedfund, which is using taxpayers' money to finance the land grabber Addax in Sierra Leone. The Swedish pension fund AP2 is also going into global farmland acquisitions as a new strategy to supposedly protect the retirement savings of working Swedes. Swedish development aid projects ought to be scrutinised, as there are already indications that some are promoting land grabbing activities in Mozambique and elsewhere. Such actions and campaigns are already brewing in other parts of Europe and in the US. These should be strengthened and supported, to stop land grabbing at the source.

Of course there's many other countries engaged in this crime against humanity. I selected KSA and Sweden to accompany China in order to give a quick but good cross-section - one rightly demonized here, one widely and absurdly idolized here, and Sweden which wrongly has a broad reputation as being a "good" country. (They were also third only to Nazi Germany and the US in enacting eugenics policy.)

All productionist elites, of whatever country, are exactly identical and just as rapacious. Productionism itself can exist only through ecocide and genocide.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 11 2018 9:15 utc | 175

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 10, 2018 9:33:48 PM | 154

Neanderthal Might-Makes-Right/feudal/faith based meme...

That's one of the productionist civilization's great lies. Self-evidently, if Neanderthals and their ancestors had anything but a very strongly communal and cooperative nature (including "in their genes", to use that vaporous, pseudo-scientific meme), they never could have survived at all.

On the contrary, anyone who knows any history knows that civilization itself always has been the great driver of violence, enslavement, and individual selfishness, and the modern economic civilization most of all. Civilization depends completely on mass violence and ecological destruction, and the modern civilization most of all.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 11 2018 9:17 utc | 176

Far too embarrassing to be on the front page, RDC crimes and the responsibility of politics and world CEOs expose in the Nobel Prize's speech
https://www.mukwegefoundation.org/2018/12/nobel-lecture-2018-denis-mukwege/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/10/indifference-sexual-violence-eats-away-nobel-peace-prize-mukwege-murad

Posted by: Mina | Dec 11 2018 10:07 utc | 177

Russ @ 177
Clearly put Russ thank you. This is the hidden main agenda of the west. Much bigger than oil !
Months ago Daniel @ ? Linked to a brilliant lecture on you tube, it had a profound effect on me ! No doubt you may have seen it. But still worth re linking— https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfnruW7yERA
To refresh our memory, pass on an important awareness to a wider audience! Hope you agree ? To every one else ‘a must watch film!’

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 11 2018 10:24 utc | 178

Disregard my above link is an add ! Dam you tubes infested with them recently!!
Here’s the link ! I hope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfnruW7yERA&app=desktop

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 11 2018 10:51 utc | 179

Thanks Mark2

I went and found my favorite land-grab map, from the FAO. This one's several years old. At this point the KSA was stealing the most land. That's probably the same today.

Note how China, the UK, Germany, Sweden and others are especially ardent to seize Africa in order to produce biofuels, one of the ultimate human and ecological scourges.

https://thisisafrica.me/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2014/05/21st-Century-African-land-rush.jpg

Posted by: Russ | Dec 11 2018 12:11 utc | 180

I've tried to make this point here before. The comments from flayer, pft et al are of a pattern. They are the view of a contemporary western liberal mindset, shaped by (at best) ill-informed and prejudiced media coverage and projected through the individual's own prism of prejudice and educative indoctrination. It's not a crime, we all are fated to do this to a lesser or greater degree on most matters, but what is crucial is to be aware that the resulting opinion is that of a contemporary western liberal mind, it is not the universal view.
The Chinese mindset is entirely different, they see the world differently from us in the west. Anyone who attempts to superimpose the western model on such a sophisticated and ancient society is guilty of not just hubris but imperialistic arrogance.
The Chinese know who they are, they know where they've come from, and they are moving forward (successfully) fully within that context. The idea that descendants of the the well-armed pirates that inflicted a 'Century of Humiliation' on them should lecture them on 'human rights' is, frankly, laughable.

Posted by: Ross | Dec 11 2018 12:38 utc | 181

Ross @ 183 yes and also Russia


from Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy

'Levin saw that there was an idea underlying this question with which he did not agree. But he went on explaining his own idea that the Russian laborer has a quite special view of the land, different from that of other people; and to support this proposition he made haste to add that in his opinion this attitude of the Russian peasant was due to the consciousness of his vocation to people vast unoccupied expanses of land.'

'In what the point of his theory lay, Levin did not understand, because he did not take the trouble to understand. He saw that Metrov, like other people, in spite of his own article, in which he had attacked the current theory of political economy, looked at the position of the Russian peasant simply from the point of view of capital, wages, and rent.'

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I don't think the US military would have the same affection for Syria. Their mission leads more to the increased levels of PSTD that we are seeing.


@southfronteng

"Russians Fought As If Their Own Country Is At Stake": Former SAA Soldier Gives Interview About His Experience In War

Posted by: financial matters | Dec 11 2018 13:49 utc | 182

Blah blah blah ... more incoherent ranting
Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 10, 2018 6:12:06 PM | 134

Debsisdead, instead of throwing out ill-conceived and baseless insults it would be more constructive to get your confused thoughts in order.

Posted by: BM | Dec 11 2018 13:51 utc | 183

RE: Posted by: Ross | Dec 11, 2018 7:38:10 AM | 183

>The comments from flayer, pft et al are of a pattern. They are the view of a contemporary western liberal mindset, shaped by (at best) ill-informed and prejudiced media coverage and projected through the individual's own prism of prejudice and educative indoctrination.

>The Chinese mindset is entirely different, they see the world differently from us in the west. Anyone who attempts to superimpose the western model on such a sophisticated and ancient society is guilty of not just hubris but imperialistic arrogance.

I am not going to hold any single country or ethnicity on a pedestal in the way that you seem to do in those comments. The Chinese are just people like anyone else. There's absolutely nothing special about them. There is greed and murderous rage amongst them like there is amongst any people. There is kindness and compassion amongst them like there is amongst any people. Your statements regarding my attitude appear to based on some kind of delusion in your perceptions about me. You are doing nothing but insulting me and claiming it as an argument.

>The Chinese know who they are, they know where they've come from, and they are moving forward (successfully) fully within that context. The idea that descendants of the the well-armed pirates that inflicted a 'Century of Humiliation' on them should lecture them on 'human rights' is, frankly, laughable.

I am not "lecturing them" on anything. I'm saying that the local people in the region should be discussing and resolving the matter of these claims (which clearly contradict one another) amongst themselves. There is nothing unreasonable or "just hubris" and "imperial arrogance" about that notion.

Posted by: flayer | Dec 11 2018 14:18 utc | 184

Name one country China has invaded in the last 50 years. S | Dec 10, 2018 9:56:24 AM

"The Sino-Vietnamese War, also known as the Third Indochina War, was a brief border war fought between the People's Republic of China and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam in early 1979. China launched an offensive in response to Vietnam's invasion and occupation of Cambodia in 1978."

Perhaps it should be rephrased as "Name two countries ...."

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 11 2018 14:33 utc | 185

Posted by: Ross | Dec 11, 2018 7:38:10 AM | 183

The comments from flayer, pft et al are of a pattern. They are the view of a contemporary western liberal mindset, shaped by (at best) ill-informed and prejudiced media coverage and projected through the individual's own prism of prejudice and educative indoctrination.

I see. So China is not raping Africa. (I.e., is not a classically rapacious imperialist.) And it doesn't have a heavily industrialized fossil-based economy. And it didn't build the Three Gorges Dam at incalculable human and ecological cost. And it doesn't have those rare earth mines gouging vast landscapes. (Lots of coal strip mines too.) And it hasn't imposed industrial agriculture, then tethered its whole food supply to Western-dominated globalization, thereby intentionally destroying all food security for its people, same as every Western country has done.

I just think I learned all that from "prejudiced media coverage". And to think I thought I learned it, not from the media at all, but from many years of reading books, analytical papers, etc., all put out by enemies of globalization.

On the contrary, you obviously don't oppose any crime at all, as long as "your guy" does it. You support globalization. On this thread I'm reminded more and more of Democrats and Republicans accusing each other of dastardly deeds and crimes even though the actions are exactly the same on both sides.


Posted by: Russ | Dec 11 2018 15:01 utc | 186

RE: Posted by: Krollchem | Dec 11, 2018 2:07:26 AM | 175

> Also, when will the US return Hawaii to its native people and pay reparations?

I do believe that the US and its post-imperialistic neoliberal elite are in fact displacing the Hawaiian people even today, much in the same way that the Chinese State, its elite, and their oligarchic lackeys (eg. "the police") are treating some of its subcultures:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/23/mark-zuckerberg-hawaii-land-lawsuits-kauai-estate

So when indeed will the US resolve this matter peacefully, rather than through economic oppression?

Don't think I am light on the atrocities of the Americans just because we are discussing China. But I believe you are trying to pull a "whataboutism" with that argument.

Posted by: flayer | Dec 11 2018 16:17 utc | 187

Guerrero@50 The Acapulco I remember featured those wonderful pink jeeps from the Las Brisas resort. Yet Guerrero, and the rest of the country for that matter, was always a dangerous place. I have to say that the Mexican style of violence is unrivaled anywhere. Yet it’s refreshing from the perspective that the virulent malignancy that powers the cashflow in Mexico is even too toxic for foreign meddling. I wish them luck.

In USA-English usage the term "I wish you luck" is commonly employed
when firing someone, or otherwise dismissing a person with prejudice.

One is respectful of foregners who know not what they saith, still, with that attitude,
perhaps it were better to stay away from Guerrero altogether, just to be perfectly safe.

The Mexican style of violence is uneivaled anywhere

You saw this in a movie in your Acapulco Hotel room? Did you drive
around the tourist spots in a pink jeep when you visited Guerrero?

Guerrero is famous for violence. Yes, The Mexican War for Independence was
won in Guerrero because the men who started it were from Guerrero:
preeminent in this pantheon of heroes is Vicente Guerrero.

A century later, Guerrero was the strategic depth of the Zapata brothers
in the Mexican Revolution of 1910-1917; is that the violence you mean?

(Fue cuando el campesino Emiliano Zapata alentó a sus compañeros
con esta frase: — ¡Esos que no tengan miedo, que pasen a firmar!)

Long ago, I lived in the Barrio of San Pedro in Tepoztlan, Morelos; yes, i concur
the Guerrerenses had a reputation for being refugees from a homicide one committed.

But the old violence was always inter-personal; it was about a woman often or about land,
or about an old offense to a family member, or of revenge, often enough the homicide
was occasioned by one wrong-word by one's one own best-friend, both drunk in the pre-dawn.

That is the way the people here are. Otherwise Guerrero people are correct and polite,
especially to guests, yet also to everyone. Nobody wants to ever give an offense so
Guerrerense in actual practice are peaceful people; perhaps even more peaceful than you?¿

All this head-chopping and torturing started in 2007; it partakes of *nothing* of the people of this region. The victims and the killers are not the ones who would otherwise have killed a rival. Not at all. The locals curtailed their backwards habits; no countryman with a wild streak, wants to be confused with a narco hit-man.

Previously, the violence was between members of the society. Since 2007, it is coming
from behind a curtain and dead-bodies are often unknown-to-anybody, or marginal persons.

This crime wave did NOT spring out of the soul of the people, or exude from their
previous bad habits. No. These are undoubtedly operation-phoenix-style operations.

This violence is coming from outside the society. So learn something: don't believe
what you are told by the major media. And don't bother to guess and speculate and divine
if you know nothing more than the version of México portrayed in Fast and Furious IV,
the promulgation of a gringo narrative: a psychological/racial condemnation of Mexicans.

Posted by: Guerrero | Dec 11 2018 16:23 utc | 188

the cashflow in Mexico is even too toxic for foreign meddling.

wow, ¡Ha,ha,ha! Are you serious? The cash flow in Mexico is too toxic for foreign meddling? is it?

The biggest close-to-the surface precious metal deposit in the world runs from Guerrero to Michoacan.

Gold, Uranium and every other heavy-element mineral map over the zone of high-violence gang activity.

Are the proceeds from these minerals also too toxic to be handled by foreigners? or only the opium?

Posted by: Guerrero | Dec 11 2018 16:33 utc | 189

Must see before/after how BBC edit their latest article on Integrity Initiative!

https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1712325/diff/0/1

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 11 2018 17:11 utc | 190

russ 188

Who's the 'pure evil of 21c',
who's 'raping Africa',
who's the 'greatest land grabber'

That elephant in the room that mr Russ somehow
manage to miss...

US - Chief culprit in Africa's problems

THE United States' role in destabilising Africa so as to plunder its resources continues to be exposed.

Ahead of US Secretary of State Collin Powell's visit to Africa where he sought to lecture African leaders, among them President Mugabe on democracy, some American legislators had begun exposing the dirty role of US foreign policy in Africa.

Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of Florida, in her presentation in Washington DC on April 16, attacked the US government for its covert action in Africa in a speech entitled: "A Smocking Gun in Washington DC".

Ms McKinney said the West had for decades plundered Africa's wealth and permitted and even assisted in slaughtering the people of the continent.

"The West has been doing this while still shrewdly cultivating the myth that much of Africa's problems today are African made. We have heard the usual defences that Africa's problems are the fault of corrupt African administrations, the fault of unsophisticated peoples and centuries old tribal hatreds. But we know the statements are a lie.

"You will hear that at the heart of Africa's suffering is the West, and most notably the US's desire to access Africa's diamonds, oil, natural gas and other precious reserves.

"The West has set in motion a policy of oppression, destabilisation and tempered not by moral principle, but by a ruthless desire to enrich itself on Africa's fabulous wealth," said Ms McKinney.

http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/community/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=159

Elevated ties between China and Namibia prove that China-Africa cooperation is win-win and comments smearing bilateral cooperation are doomed to fail, Namibian President Hage Geingob said on Friday.

Geingob said those making irresponsible remarks should feel “ashamed” when they see the buildings, factories and roads being built across the African continent, which bring tangible benefits to the people.

“China has been our all-weather friend, and now we are moving upward into a second phase,” Geingob said while commenting on the elevation of ties.

He stressed that China’s investment in Namibia is not just “digging out resources,” but also includes building industrial parks for technology transfer.

“No country in the world has added so much value to our products as China has. China has done a lot of technology transfer and job creation,” he said.

Geingob also said the country will take the opportunity provided by the Belt and Road Initiative to train Namibia’s youth and strengthen his country’s technological and innovation development.

“We will get benefits, witness changes, and create win-win situations with China,” he said.

https://howafrica.com/accusations-against-china-africa-cooperation-doomed-to-fail-namibian-president/

Posted by: denk | Dec 11 2018 17:20 utc | 191

yikes,
that spam filter !

Posted by: denk | Dec 11 2018 17:33 utc | 192

I see that the guys in Donetsk (quoted by the Saker) are expecting a divisional strength attack by the Ukrainian army nto Donetsk - kicking off on Friday this week The invasion is, they claim, to be heralded by a false flag chemical attack in Mariupol, as the casus belli.

If my name was May, Macron or Trump, I would probably welcome the distraction of a foreign war.

Posted by: Montreal | Dec 11 2018 17:37 utc | 193

"in the same way that the Chinese State, its elite, and their oligarchic lackeys (eg. "the police") are treating some of its subcultures"

I actually agree with you on this matter. Perhaps you could have brought up the conquest of Tibet?

I would also agree that China is using the territorial waters of these South China Seas to expand their control even further. On the flip side US and other NATO warships entering the waters covered in the San Francisco Treaty without approval should be sunk as they are illegal invaders.

You should also have pointed out that America is the most colonial (and Neo-Colonial) power in World History. America has been at war for 93% of its history and has killed some 20-30 million people in just the last 50 years to maintain its Empire. See also the neo-Colonial concept of the Angola Variant.


Posted by: Krollchem | Dec 11 2018 18:02 utc | 194

Gee! Hard to determine where to begin/who to respond to regarding the subject/topic of China, Past, Present and Future. First, I think it's best to get the concept known as Orientalism as constructed and detailed by Edward Said into the discussion after my brief mention of it to flayer:

"As a work of cultural criticism, Orientalism (1978) is the foundation document in the field of Post-colonialism, because the thesis proved historically factual, true, and accurate for the periods studied; and for the How? and the Why? of the cultural representations of “Orientals”, “The Orient”, and “The Eastern world” as presented in the mass communications media of the Western world."

The above is taken from the much longer linked discussion. As Anthropology was my 2nd Major, I closely followed the debate surrounding Orientalism as it deeply impacted the entire field of Cultural Anthropology and histories of everything non-Western. An example of academic bias reveals much: Classes are taught in Western Civilization and World History, but there isn't any Asian Civilization course. And much can be learned by studying attitudes toward Chinese, Japanese and other Asian immigrants to the Outlaw US Empire--yes, they are extremely ugly.

Another narrative that was built during the 1990s was the West was the primary mover in financing China's industrial/consumer production base through the Special Economic Zones set up for that purpose. However, my 1999 research paper proved it was the Chinese Diaspora that was providing the financial wherewithal for this growth, which laid the foundation for the avalanche of factory off-shoring that took off during the dawn of the new century. The lesson for me, my fellow seminar members and participating professors was not to take any Western narrative about China as correct. Indeed, the entire Western historiography on China needed to be deeply questioned, particularly that of John King Fairbank, who was considered The Dean of Sinology.

Thanks to the recent trend of Chinese historians learning English so they can better inform the world of their works, there're many new and fascinating studies in Chinese history, particularly Ancient China up to the point of what can be termed the first national Chinese state. IMO, it's critical to understand Chinese culture, its temporal development and related philosophies to arrive at an understanding of Chinese Weltanschauung and thus become capable of understanding what sort of civilizational direction China will most likely take as it continues to play what's known as the Geopolitical & Geoeconomic Long Game.

Xi Jinping in Western Media's been deemed China's New Mao, which is true to a certain degree as it's his philosophy that's behind the current direction of China. Xi Jinping Thought is a university course:

"What you'll learn:

•Systematic and full knowledge of the CPC's people-centered core concept
•Comprehend the connotation of people-centered socialist modernization
•Understand the profound connotation and realistic practice of innovation, coordination, green, openness and sharing
•A deeper understanding of the socialist road with Chinese characteristics"

But you need to know Mandarin. Here's Xinhuanet's reportage: "CPC creates Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era." The following lists the 14 main components:

1.Ensuring Communist Party of China leadership over all forms of work in China.
2.The Communist Party of China should take a people-centric approach for the public interest.
3.The continuation of "comprehensive deepening of reforms".
4.Adopting new science-based ideas for "innovative, coordinated, green, open and shared development".
5.Following "socialism with Chinese characteristics" with "people as the masters of the country".
6.Governing China with Rule of Law.
7."Practice socialist core values", including Marxism, communism and socialism with Chinese characteristics.
8."Improving people's livelihood and well-being is the primary goal of development".
9.Coexist well with nature with "energy conservation and environmental protection" policies and "contribute to global ecological safety".
10.Strengthen national security.
11.The Communist Party of China should have "absolute leadership over" China's People's Liberation Army.
12.Promoting the one country, two systems system for Hong Kong and Macau with a future of "complete national reunification" and to follow the One-China policy and 1992 Consensus for Taiwan.
13.Establish a common destiny between Chinese people and other people around the world with a "peaceful international environment".
14.Improve party discipline in the Communist Party of China."

I mentioned China's primary domestic policy goals above and most ought to know its primary foreign policy goal is to establish the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). It ought to go without saying that the primary policy of the Outlaw US Empire is to deter China from attaining its policy goals as they totally conflict ideologically. One might ask how a declining power with 330 million people can overcome a rising power with 1.4 billion people and question if that's sane policy.

IMO, the ostensible leaders of The West don't want to share the planet as equals with anyone, not even themselves, which they prove via deeds and words. The East, however, has a different view that recognizes that we all must learn how to live as equals on this one finite planet lest we destroy ourselves. I'd very much like to write something different, but then I'd be lying to myself and everyone else.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2018 18:27 utc | 195

I did bring up Tibet in comment #155:

>I think you can also make an argument that "China" as it exists today, is the result of historical imperialism - the country has taken several chunks of Mongolia, keeps Tibet as a province, even the Uighurs have some claims to autonomy, etc.

(although come to think of it, the Uighurs and the former bits of Mongolia that are now part of China may be referring to the same region)

But why should I point out that the United States is colonial when we are discussing China? I can't possibly bring up the context of every single imperialist nation in the world at any point in history - I'd be making comments hundreds of pages long. Even just talking about all the colonial and imperialist things the US did would likely exceed character limits. There is no benefit to this, it makes no sense.

Should people, when the United States is criticized, constantly bring up the actions - past and present - of other nations?

Your call for sinking the ships of other nations who venture into disputed waters is just crazy. The United States would immediately and without hesitation use it a pretext for war. Even moreso, they'd likely have the full backing of most of the world's other governments. That's a dangerous suggestion you're making there.

Posted by: flayer | Dec 11 2018 18:27 utc | 196

Women put in their place (again) by The Powers That Be (TPTB)

After #MeToo was discredited when establishment Democrats pushed bogus salacious accusations against Kavanaugh in order to mask serious reasons to disqualify him from serving on the US Supreme Court (his clear bias for the executive branch of government), the statue of "fearless girl" has been moved away from the Charging Bull statue in downtown Manhattan.

The bull was meant to symbolize the strength of US economy and bright future that it promises. Female empowerment somehow doesn't have a place in that picture despite the fact that female empowerment is said to be key to anti-poverty efforts (including having fewer children).

The charging male bull is unstoppable, inevitable. But emasculated by a pre-teen girl. LOL!

The irony of her new location is best expressed by this December 3rd article describing Wall Street's aversion to women.

We love empowered women - until they start to exercise their empowerment.

How long before she is moved again? I'd guess that what is touted as fearless girl's upgraded new home is just a means of eventually easing her to a place of obscurity.

Although Democrats have expressed great concern about the symbolism of statues (Confederate Generals), you won't hear Democratic Party objections about "fearless girl". Female empowerment has a place and that place is the hopey-changey demographic politics of the fake left where it is neutered but forever hopeful.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 11 2018 18:37 utc | 197

"But why should I point out that the United States is colonial when we are discussing China?"
Why?
1/ Because you are probably American and thus a part of the imperialist polis.
2/ Because while you neither read nor speak Chinese, and are thus effectively deaf and mute in China, you clearly write and speak English and can thus address your concerns about imperialism directly to its organisers.
3/ Because you have never worked or lived among the Chinese and therefore know nothing of what they believe about their government-which means that you rely entirely on English media to form your opinions on China.
4/ Because you appear to be unaware-"The United States would immediately and without hesitation use it a pretext for war"- that the US government never attacks countries able to defend themselves, except by sponsoring terrorists as among the Uighurs. And that war has been going on for years.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 11 2018 18:53 utc | 198

"China launched an offensive in response to Vietnam's invasion and occupation of Cambodia in 1978."

That, whether justifiable or not, can hardly be described as an unprovoked invasion of another country.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 11 2018 19:08 utc | 199

dink 193

Believe me, you couldn't possibly hate the US government, economic system, ecological despoliation, media, culture, scientific establishment, educational system, and partisan electorate anywhere near as much as I. No one could. I've spent (what seems like) a long life hating it. (Having to live amid the worst of it, seeing it every day.) I hope to live to see not just the empire but the whole US system destroyed.

But the very reasons I hate those are the same things I hate everywhere else in the globalized economic civilization. I made just part of the case against China, the ecological and anti-imperial case, and of course you have no response. How is that stupid link you posted any different from pro-US propaganda.

Same thing as if I say Democrats and Republicans are the same, do the same things, and are equally evil, and all you can say in response is "no the democrats are good just the republicans are evil!!!!!" Or vice versa, to your taste.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 11 2018 19:22 utc | 200

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