The arrest of the Huawei executive will prove to be an act of monumental stupidity, not least on account of its flimsy pretext. The mainstream media has largely avoided addressing the details of the charges, even as the original 2013 Reuters article which outlines the essential information and the arrest affidavit which presents that information in terms of a prosecutor’s brief are readily available online. Instead the focus is on alleged spyware and alleged IP theft, all meant to make the Huawei brand toxic. Which is likely the overriding intention by US authority.
The redivision of the planet on mid-20th century terms seems truly the ultimate destination. Still some reason to hope an actual shooting war can be avoided.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 11 2018 19:41 utc | 4

Canada Goose getting plucked. Will Tim Hortons be next?
old model iphone sales banned….
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/10/tech/china-iphone-ban/index.html

Posted by: dh | Dec 11 2018 20:05 utc | 6

I provided this Meng-focused essay on the previous thread that deals with the political-morality-ideology of what’s now clearly in play:
“A world that is made more interconnected through Belt and Road will be a world where common destinies of peace through prosperity replace the animal tendencies of those who perversely thrive in a spirit of violent competition that ought to have died in 1918. The moral message of Belt and Road is that it is possible to maintain one’s national dignity, uphold human rights and become more materially wealthy without having to travel down the dark paths of violence, provocation or war.
“These messages have always been an implicit part of the Belt and Road mentality, but now that the US has so clearly chosen another path, the rest of the world must choose peace over the tyranny of hegemony and this means looking with optimism at Belt and Road.”
What happens in the game of Monopoly when no one wants to play anymore, when there’s no longer anyone remaining to bankrupt and gain their property; yet, the remaining player doesn’t want to play any other game or change Monopoly’s rules? The obvious result is the remaining player can only masturbate, although it might entertain trying to force others to return to the game board. And to make matters worse, the remaining player discovers it has erectile dysfunction and is unable to masturbate. IMO, we haven’t reached that last nadir, but what might happen when we do, and we surely will.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2018 20:34 utc | 8

Some here are old enough to recall A Funny Thing Happened on My Way to the Forum. It seems Pompeo has become Zero Mostel’s character as “Pompeo blasted for hypocrisy on Twitter after saying Russia ‘squandering’ public funds on military.” And this man–Air Head–was Director of Central Intelligence! No wonder Trump likes him so much! There are truly some gems amongst the tweets provided and undoubtedly there’re many more on the thread, that is if Pompeo hasn’t deleted it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2018 20:45 utc | 10

As I recall history has a sad record of the consequences for anyone stupid enough to kidnap a Chinese princess. Deep, deep is the memory and wounding of such a dumb act. I guess the yankees have done it again. So much lead in the drinking water and such a thirst.
On the bright side the gillet jaune in France have shown some serious and durable metal in their soul. But it is a cowardly crime that twitter terminated the Benoite Abedoux site. It was really good satire. If any comrades here are aware of its resurrection do let us know.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 11 2018 21:10 utc | 12

UT @12–
The numerous parody/satirical sites get resurrected almost as quickly as they get taken down as I’ve discovered as I go through my Twitter links. My favorites are the numerous belling_dogs/dawgs/snakes/kittens and such! The slap-back in the face of BigLie Media is stark and widespread–global, in fact. Here’s Benoite Abedoux’s Twitter, up and running @1330 Pacific.
Here’s the vid attacking May currently at top of Corbyn’s Twitter, with the thread providing the answer to why it’s too early to demand a No Confidence Vote.
Seems most reactionary regimes are in a crisis of some sort. Couldn’t be their policies now could it?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2018 21:39 utc | 14

350 diplomatic flights carry weapons for terrorists
https://armenpress.am/eng/news/897433/azerbaijani-silk-way-airlines-carries-out-350-diplomatic-flights-transporting-weapons-for-terrorists.html

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 11 2018 22:13 utc | 16

Peter Lee is Chinahand in Twitterland and an excellent source on not just things China. As anticipated, the situation’s escalating. Although this Global Times editorial tries to dampen ardors, it also published these remarks:
“China’s State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Tuesday that the nation will not ignore any bullying that violates the legitimate rights of overseas Chinese citizens, following the arrest of Huawei senior executive Meng Wanzhou.
“‘We care about the safety and well-being of each overseas Chinese compatriot and China will not sit idly by and allow any bullying against Chinese citizens and violations of their legal rights.'”
Meng’s bail hearing was continued, which isn’t helping the situation. The editorial also outlines how Meng’s arrest increases the personal risk for management of international corporations and ought to be closely read by all players.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2018 22:15 utc | 18

If you want to see what out of touch MSM looks like, this is a textbook example:
http://time.com/person-of-the-year-2018-the-guardians/
On the worrying side, we might just have hit Peak Inbreeding when it comes to “journalism”.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 11 2018 22:39 utc | 20

The person running Hidden History finds some gems! This Tweet links to a large pdf, “Counterintelligence: A Documentary Look at America’s Secret Police”, produced by the National Lawyers Guild, I’m certain many will find it useful as it proves beyond doubt the many efforts by the forces of reaction within the Outlaw US Empire to destroy any attempts to reform or modify its actions.
Another juicy tidbit’s been released and can be read/downloaded here: NATO’s Original Purpose: Double Containment of the Soviet Union and “Resurgent” Germany.
Yes, it’s hard to keep up and find time to write, never mind eating and marital relations. Thank goodness the human brain’s big enough to hold it all!

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2018 22:54 utc | 22

Uncle $cam 9
I read his book Side Affects, Death and the book Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher (by Gwen Olsen). Both were pretty damning of the industry. I agree with you that some of these whistleblowers have two sides. At least those who paid attention learned a bit about the inside corruption … that kills so many. But don’t look to action from media or govt that have been captured by the industry (among others).

Posted by: Curtis | Dec 11 2018 23:07 utc | 24

meng wanzhou is been allowed to be free on bail… a sigh of relief for that much.. next is the extradition process which will be challenged as well..
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/huawei-meng-wanzhou-bail-hearing-vancouver-1.4940849
@7 darkhorse.. will take a look.. thanks..
@17 lozion… yes, and many canucks don’t even know that… burger king owns thortons last i heard… i never support the place.. just another lousy american corp, or oligarch, lol..

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 23:18 utc | 26

james @26–
Yeah for $10 million+. Nor is she truly free according to the terms:
“The judge set Meng’s bail at $10 million, CBC Vancouver reporter Jason Proctor reported from the courthouse. The judge agreed to conditions for bail proposed by Meng’s defense team. Those rules require that Meng be subject to electronic monitoring, stay at her home in Canada between the hours of 11p.m. and 6a.m., and be accompanied by a security team when she leaves the residence, which she is required to foot the bill for.”
Yeah, better than a jail cell, but freedom it ain’t.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2018 23:26 utc | 28

@28 karlof1… if this had happened in the usa, she would be sitting in solitary confinement in some usa gulag indefinitely until her trail happened.. see maria butina for an example about how the usa regime handles these types of political agendas.. her dad is sitting on many billions.. 10 mil is a drop in the bucket… onto the extradition trail which will be interesting..

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2018 23:38 utc | 30

@30 Freeing Meng on bail is a compromise solution. Probably the best thing Trudeau could have come up with. Some Vancouver lawyers will be happy but Trump won’t like it at all.

Posted by: dh | Dec 11 2018 23:50 utc | 32

Events are happening thick and fast now ! I sense a step chainge ! For both good and bad ! Here’s yet another development ! Well two actually —
Israeli trickery and media supression !!!
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/twitter-enforcing-israeli-military-censorship

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 12 2018 0:07 utc | 34

Curtis@24
According to wikipedia , which only seems to exist in German , he died in 2015 at a relatively young age. Cant read German and googling his death pulls up nothing. His book is out of print according to amazon, and the kindle version no longer available. A free version is floating around though . Despite blowing his whistle almost 10 years ago nothing has been done and he is being sanitized. Most people dont have time or patience to watch you tube
The walking dead seem oblivious in anycase so most whistle blowers just wasting their time,

Posted by: Pft | Dec 12 2018 0:21 utc | 36

matt lee asks some more pointed questions in todays usa press briefing on the topic of meng wanzhou and the tit for tat that happened earlier today..
“QUESTION: Okay. Can I ask you one briefly on one other subject? And that is: Do you have – you are aware, I presume, that the Canadian Government has now confirmed that one of their former diplomats has been detained in China in what a lot of people see as a retaliatory move for the arrest by the Canadians of this executive from a Chinese company. Do you have any comment on —
MR PALLADINO: The United States is concerned by these reports that a Canadian citizen has been detained in China. We urge China to end all forms of arbitrary detention and to respect the protections and freedoms of all individuals under China’s international human rights and consular commitments.
QUESTION: And would you urge the Canadian Government to do the same thing or is this – or is the arrest there, the detention there something that you support?
MR PALLADINO: I’m not – I don’t understand the question, Matt. Please repeat the – what’s the question?
QUESTION: Well, you seem to be saying – and correct me if I’m wrong; I don’t want to have a misperception of this – but you seem to be saying that the Chinese have acted incorrectly here in detaining this former Canadian diplomat. And by saying that, without any reference to what happened in Canada to the Chinese executive, you seem to be suggesting that that’s – you’re okay with that, but not with the Chinese detaining – and I understand that there are many reasons why that would be the case, but I just want to make sure you don’t have any issue, since it is your arrest – your request to the Canadians, you have no issue with the way the Canadians have handled the detention of the Chinese citizen in Canada?
MR PALLADINO: The charges against Meng pertain to alleged lies to United States financial institutions about the business that Huawei was conducting in Iran. And it’s clear from the filings that were unsealed in Canada Meng and others are alleged to have put financial institutions at risk of criminal and civil liability in the United States by deceiving those institutions as to the nature and extent of Huawei’s business in Iran. Rather than disclosing what Skycom actually was, which was Huawei’s Iranian affiliate, Meng and others allegedly falsely stated that it was an unaffiliated business partner.
QUESTION: Okay, but so – I get that. But you don’t think that the Chinese had any reason, valid reason, to detain this former Canadian diplomat?
MR PALLADINO: We – I mean, I would refer you to the Canadian and Chinese governments for the reasons behind the arrest and restate what I said already. Thanks.
Lesley, please.”

Posted by: james | Dec 12 2018 0:45 utc | 38

the attack in Strasbourg happened in my old neighbourhood just beside the cathedral. I used to haunt the bistros and cafes in the area and I see them in the photos in the articles. What a juxtaposition – to see the restaurant where I celebrated birthdays and promotions with the events of today. The Muslim community is small and pretty much segregated in the banlieues in Strasbourg where people have been known to throw their babies’ used diapers out the window, and the heroin problem was endemic a decade ago.

Posted by: Mischi | Dec 12 2018 1:01 utc | 40

james #38, I just googled it northcom agreements ,it worked okay.

Posted by: darkhorse241 | Dec 12 2018 1:25 utc | 42

my response is being withheld.. check back.. i have posted too many times today on moa!

Posted by: james | Dec 12 2018 1:52 utc | 44

Karlof1 @ 28, James @ 30:
Imagine if the security for Meng when she leaves the house any time between 6 am and 11 pm each day is paid for by Huawei who then pass the amount paid to Beijing, who then pass that on to Ottawa … with interest.
And if Canada does not pay, or at least make the interest payments, the Chinese could look at extracting the money some other way. What investments might China have in Canadian mining, agriculture or some other industry through its joint ventures and state companies?

Posted by: Jen | Dec 12 2018 2:32 utc | 46

@19 Bruce
That’s an interesting link. There hasn’t been a lot of coverage on Ukraine over the last few days, so an event like descried by Basurin could certainly be used as a “shock” impact to sell the war to the public.
“The enemy offensive strike group has been already formed in total of more than 12 thousand people”. That sounds quite massive.

Posted by: radiator | Dec 12 2018 2:39 utc | 48

From RT: “US President Trump said he might intervene on behalf of Huawei CFO if it benefits US trade interests with China. …
If I think it’s good for what will certainly be the largest trade deal ever made – which is a very important thing – what’s good for national security – I would certainly intervene if I thought it was necessary,” Trump told Reuters.”
Now this is curious: Trump could be interpreted as implying something along the lines of: We’ve asked the Canadians to kidnap a high profile much esteemed Chinese woman so as to give us more leverage in the trade talks with China and if they throw me some juicy crumbs I’ll call the dogs off Meng.
Or, alternatively, maybe he really didn’t know and is trying to put out the flames by asking the Chinese to throw the US some crumbs and he will pardon Meng and get out of hot water at the same time.
Also implied is, well, the law she may have broken is really not that big a deal, and we can settle this fiasco pretty easily. Wave my presidential executive order/pardon wand. Poof.
If only Canadian officials would begin to feel a bit embarrassed at some point, and thus constrained, at dancing like marionettes to whatever lousy demented tune the British or Americans play….

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Dec 12 2018 3:00 utc | 50

karlof1 @14…
Thank you for that karlof1. For a few hours I kept getting suspended statements etc from twitter and figured the ‘league of decency’ had deemed Benoite unfit for consumption. Jeremy Corbin is just doggedly on his path and that was a good video.
Micron will not survive the onslaught or the laughter.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 12 2018 3:11 utc | 52

@52 denk
Thanks for that link. I wasn’t aware.
And of course the China card again. NYT had already made the headline allegation that China had advanced its nuclear weaponry using secrets stolen from a US lab. Now came the secret Bellows report to show that actually there was no indication that anything was stolen, and it was likely that China simply made the advance through its own effort.
The report discounted racism against Lee (which had been alleged by two ranking officials in the affair), but did find that he had been unfairly targeted. So, if not for his ethnicity then for the nationality associated with it. He had to be the guy who helped China catch up because no way could China have done it from its own prowess – the US wasn’t about to let that story out.
The scenario seems very familiar.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 12 2018 3:45 utc | 54

I wonder if Macron caused this terror attack to occur in some way to rein in the gilets jaunes?

Posted by: Mischi | Dec 12 2018 4:04 utc | 56

mauisurfer | Dec 11, 2018 10:51:16 PM | 54
Thanks. Very interesting.
IMO “hypernormalization” hasn’t yet happened in USA. Though more and more people have “woken up” or are so disgruntled that they are questioning the BS, USA political elites have generally been able to keep most people trapped in false narratives.
Take today’s Oval office theatrics with Trump, Pence, Pelosi, and Schumer. For most people, the bickering on display “proves” that democracy is working. Yet those who are more savvy know that the duopoly works together to on issues important to the establishment like tax policy, Empire/MIC, and keeping people divided over social issues (divide and rule!).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 12 2018 4:44 utc | 58

Jackrabbit @57
“Take today’s Oval office theatrics with Trump, Pence, Pelosi, and Schumer. For most people, the bickering on display “proves” that democracy is working”
Perfect example of the fake wrestling strategy. Only reason for that scripted performance to go public. Ms Nancy Bipartisan Pelosi will ensure the continuation of the defacto one party state on issues of importance to the elite.

Posted by: Pft | Dec 12 2018 5:00 utc | 60

I don’t trust Vice but the fact that this story even got published is noteworthy:
It is pretty rich on detail.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vbax7d/how-anarchists-helped-californian-fire-refugees-in-a-walmart-parking-lot
Re Huawei, probably a good time to buy shares. For faultline fall out, keep an eye on Taiwan. Opium Wars 2.0 . Obama always fancied himself as a Singapore style autocrat imo. It is also interesting to consider how this all would have played out if TPP got through….would it have all been done under the radar, as an ISDS plaything?

Posted by: slit | Dec 12 2018 5:41 utc | 62

http://www.voltairenet.org/article204276.html — Microns’ backers; not who you might think.

Posted by: Red | Dec 12 2018 8:58 utc | 64

Ha you heard it here first!! Teresa dis-may lost the dog fight ! Her own people have turned on her ! A vote of no confidence will take place this evening. This is the moment the the Tory party will implode ! They can’t now hold it together half being Brixit and half being remain. There will be an election and labour will win.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 12 2018 9:07 utc | 66

@ Mark2
Assuming Corbyn’s the real deal (i.e. not a con artist like Syriza, or Sanders and the “DSA”), still is he even capable of fighting? After all, here’s a guy who can’t even purge his own party of open mortal enemies, and hasn’t even seemed to try.
(Actually, in that way he’s oddly like Trump, who also seems too weak to purge open enemies from his own administration, and seems never even to try.)

Posted by: Russ | Dec 12 2018 11:14 utc | 68

Very good questions Russ @ 67
• He most certainly is the real deal and not a con artist, I’l stake my life on that. He’s a man of massive entegrity tried and tested over 35 year’s this man will not budge from his anti war and anti curuption principals. As a test look at how scared of him ‘they’ are ! Why ? Becouse he’s human and humain ! Not greedy or brutalist .
• yes he is more than capable! Since his selection as leader of labour, the massive power of the elite has been atacking him the Tory’s there media mi5 mi6 the Israel lobby groups (we know them) the army’s against him! I could go on! Yet there he stands! Strong like Putin.
Bare in mind what ever the MSM say the exact opposite is true! Have you maybe fallen for there lies, there would be know blame if you had. Indeed how could one not.
• Corybn attack from within the Labour Party (a very democratic) system, came from – the globalist Blairites(Iraqi) multi millionaires, The Israel lobby(very powerful) and Tory infiltrators !! And yet And yet he’s still there!
This guy is the tuffest polatition we will see.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 12 2018 11:59 utc | 70

Much of the media is stating that Macron upped the minimum wage, the SMIC, by 100 euros. This is not correct. Either Macron lied, or he deliberately spoke in an ambiguous fashion.
What is being augmented is the “Prime d’activité” – an activité bonus or stipend for ‘poor’ or very modest independent and salaried workers. The sums come from the ‘allocations’ – social aid – the same source as for ex. child allowance. This ‘bonus’ was already set to increase in 2019 by 30 Euros, and more thereafter, as well as by indexation, the additons together totalling about 100 Euros after about three years. Macron has merely made what was already planned immediate.
In French, describes the prime d’activité.
https://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/26181-prime-d-activite-2018-2019-calcul-montant-et-conditions
Its function is to top up the salaries of those who do NOT earn the minimum wage. E.g. A worker who earns .25 of the SMIC receives 177.- per month, with a sliding scale to 1.25 SMIC – 46.- euros.
The distinction is very important, because very many jobs are pegged to the SMIC (e.g. 120% SMIC, or SMIC + special payments for x, y) and when the SMIC goes up, so do all these other wages. What Macron offers is rather like Wallmart employees getting food stamps – the employer pays nothing.

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 12 2018 12:25 utc | 72

Thats right, calling a spade a spade.
Robber barons kidnap Chinese princess for ransom
Succinctly put, what is unfolding is plain gangsterism of the kind that calls to mind the great robber barons of American history — John Jacob Astor (real estate, fur), Andrew Carnegie (steel), William A. Clark (copper), Charles Crocker (railroads), Daniel Drew (finance) –- who demonstrated the protean nature of American capitalism.
https://indianpunchline.com/robber-barons-kidnap-chinese-princess-for-ransom/
Another day of shame for murikkans.

Posted by: denk | Dec 12 2018 15:39 utc | 74

whether she is a ‘princes’ is moot,
murikka is a gangster country should be very clear., innit ?

Posted by: denk | Dec 12 2018 15:55 utc | 76

Russ watch this space he’s got what it takes . Corbyn’s top priority is to be PM to show his hand to early would have been a mistake!
Brixit was a Tory com from day one ! A distraction while they robbed us.
My view is in or out it’s irelevent. Curuption is the problem in or out both U.K. &EU . Never choose your own master. Be the master

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 12 2018 16:13 utc | 78

The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.
H. L. Mencken
Hmm’
Mencken knew his country men all too well,
no wonder he was also detested.

Posted by: denk | Dec 12 2018 16:32 utc | 80

denk @80–
Mencken was detested as a holier-than-thou liberal who did nothing to fight against the Big Money Establishment; and as with Lippman, was adopted and became a member.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 12 2018 17:39 utc | 82

On Integrity Initiative again….
This story has blown up all over the media with the Mirror, the Mail, and the Morning Star all reporting. Sadly they are making it seem like the anti-Corbyn and anti-democratic initiatives were limited to a few tweets and as a result the Blairites and People’s Vote crowd have defended the organisation and claimed that anyone against it is a Russian troll. In reality, the clusters and the ways they are delployed outlined in the documents show that major journalists at Guardian, Times, etc are actively working as propaganda agents themselves to destroy dissenting views on foreign policy and socialism. This should be seen as equal if not greater than the Congress for Cultural Freedom – how long has this been going on? Many of these are “Euston Manifesto”/Henry Jackson society types, would bet big money that Michael Weiss is part of something similar in the UK. I mean, it’s literally been exposed that journalists across the country and the world are colluding with each other to pump intelligence agency narratives through the MSM. This was always suspected, but now, like with the Panama Papers and WikiLeaks, we have proof.

Posted by: Blooming Barricade | Dec 12 2018 18:52 utc | 84

@ pft… i am curious if you can give @65 glenn brown a response…
@71 john… suck it up… you mean like suck up all the carbon monoxide that is becoming a regular feature of urban civilization?

Posted by: james | Dec 12 2018 19:01 utc | 86

The no confidence vote by May’s party is a trick to keep the party in power for as long as possible, and replace her so they don’t lose the next election and squash Corbyn’s chances of winning an election. May was a vile shrew in her response to Corbyn. She showed her ugly fangs. Corbyn was great!!! BRAVO for taking on and exposing that witch!
If May falls on this vote Zionist minions will be busy amassing finances for her replacement. If she falls on the Brexit deal Corbyn’s chances improve.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 12 2018 19:46 utc | 88

Freeland just confirmed that a second Canadian has been detained in China.

Posted by: spudski | Dec 12 2018 22:13 utc | 90

@90 spudski… what is shocking is canada thinking it might be any different…

Posted by: james | Dec 12 2018 22:18 utc | 92

“Mencken was detested as a holier-than-thou liberal who did nothing to fight against the Big Money Establishment…”
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 12, 2018 12:39:06 PM | 82
He’s also been detested more recently as the racist who said, e.g., “it is impossible to talk anything resembling discretion or judgment to a colored woman. They are all essentially child-like, and even hard experience does not teach them anything.” Then there’s the Jew-bashing and pro-Nazi rants among other disgorgements from his diary, which remained sealed for 25 years after his death. When it became available to researchers in ’81 no one was permitted to quote from it, even indirectly. Finally in ’89 a Baltimore paper, one of his former employers, published some extracts. There are many blots on HLM’s escutcheon.

Posted by: drj | Dec 12 2018 23:10 utc | 94

So the Tory dog fight continues a bit longer then. They have no insight, they don’t stop to consider what they must look like to the sane world. They have no foresight, blatantly admiting they have no idea where we’ll be next week next month or year.
And yet there in power. Removed and detached from the consequences of there actions . Psychopathic symtems.
And there’ victems ie the puplic confused refusing to admit there fatal mistake like the plot of a hammer horror film. Whilst in the audience I look with my hand over my eyes.
But wait! what’s that sound i here in the distance! Could it be the sound of tumbrils and the clatter of pitch forks, will Paris last week be London next week ? Welcome to mays dismal land!!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 13 2018 0:39 utc | 96

Glenn Brown@65/james@86
They are just supporting the meme that only Big Oil and Oil Producing countries are climate deniers. These 4 countries represent 7% of the global population. Their public opposition, if you can call it that, simply reinforces the meme to the other 93% and more. The meme is false since any objective person with enough education and time to study the science will find enough reason to be skeptical without any interest in oil and gas beyond staying warm, cooking and transportation
So thats a win for the Climate Change Industry IMO, just more Fake Wrestling with a predetermined outcome. This is a long game they are playing, they realize they need another generation of brainwashing before they can roll out the large scale changes they have planned. This is big business, essentially a new global reserve currency /tax snd religion all in one to replace US face of global hegemony with the green fuzzy face of Gaia. Those operating the New New World Order are the same global elites that run the old one. Its all marketing baby, and that means lies and deceptions.
As part of the game Trump continues the Bush regime practice of turning the rest of the world against the US empire and Democracy, including many Americans, conditioning them to embrace the Change that integrates East and West into one Government with one religion and currency. Thats going to take awhile yet, but the elite have been at this for well over a century. Each of them with a role to play, Face or Heel.

Posted by: Pft | Dec 13 2018 4:32 utc | 98

@98 Pft
Pft, I don’t quite understand how you think this global conspiracy thing works. When I read your reply to me, it sounded like you thought there was this united century old conspiracy to establish a global government. But then in your reply to Denk, just below it, suddenly the conspiracy breaks down into enemy factions that are at each other’s throats. So if it was really true that any “objective person with enough education and time to study the science will find enough reason to be skeptical”, then why isn’t Donald Trump using the evidence any “objective person” could find to attack his enemies in China? Trump has already publically stated that climate change is a hoax and a Chinese conspiracy. Why doesn’t Trump threaten Xi with the release of clear proof that climate change is a hoax?
And why do you think these hypothetical puppet masters want to persuade everybody that burning hydrocarbons is a bad idea? Maybe you think they want to impoverish everybody by unnecessarily shrinking the global economy? But then, neoliberal economics seems to do an adequate job of that. If they just wanted to restrict the use of hydrocarbons, why didn’t they just not invent fracking? Or ban it on the grounds that it’s too polluting? Without fracking, the world would be faced with a peak oil situation, where we would all have to cut back on the use of oil because less oil would be available for use.

Posted by: Glenn Brown | Dec 13 2018 7:23 utc | 100