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December 5, 2018
Open Thread 2018-65
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NYT, bastion of the liberals, covertly admits it doesn’t like Trump because of the image he projects to the rest of the world, not because of his policies: Just a note to the world to express my absolute disgust with Trump’s designation of today, 5Dec2018, as a “National Day of Mourning”, a “bank holiday”, with no mail service (except for limited package service) – in order to honor a war criminal. I suppose I should be glad that all war criminals are not so honored – we’d get very little mail. Posted by: dus7 | Dec 5 2018 18:58 utc | 2 No surprise, I suppose… Posted by: Stephanos | Dec 5 2018 19:17 utc | 3 @ dus7 | #2
Good one! Posted by: Zachary Smith | Dec 5 2018 19:18 utc | 4 This item and this item expose how the Republicans operate at the state level to destroy people’s lives and inhibit very needful legislation, which may come as a surprise to readers outside the Outlaw US Empire. Yet as the comments at the first item illustrate, Democrats aren’t held up as much better. However, the Michigan crap is just disgusting–how can anyone live by waiting tables for under $4/hr? Note how Republicans stole the opportunity from the public to vote on those measures. MbS has nothing on Republicans when it comes to EVIL. Imagine such legislative stunts being performed in Venezuela, Syria or Cuba. Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 5 2018 19:25 utc | 5 That which is unsustainable, will not be sustained. “My opponents are crook” said the opponents on boths sides of the aisle, and they were both right for a change, not that change is what they seek. Posted by: Covergirl | Dec 5 2018 19:30 utc | 6 Peter Lavelle must stop interrupting his guests’ statements — too often, important points are discontinued because Lavelle excitedly wants to make his point or interrupts to try to change the topic under discussion. Posted by: chet380 | Dec 5 2018 19:36 utc | 7 another thread which will likely turn into a donkeytale-jr gong show about usa whataboutism – repubs and dems, lol.. originality at it’s finest! take it away!! Posted by: james | Dec 5 2018 19:45 utc | 8 There is a comet coming! Posted by: librul | Dec 5 2018 19:57 utc | 9 G-20 wrap-up by Pepe Escobar. The analysis is great and punctuated with a few gems. Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 5 2018 20:12 utc | 11 Chet at 7 Posted by: Bart Hansen | Dec 5 2018 20:17 utc | 12 dus7 (2) – I am 100% in agreement for a National Day of Mourning…for the VICTIMS of bushit. Posted by: Ralph | Dec 5 2018 20:18 utc | 13 Sen. Graham Wants a More Reliable Fascist in Saudi Arabia – Paul Jay
https://therealnews.com/stories/sen-graham-wants-a-more-reliable-fascist-in-saudi-arabia-paul-jay Posted by: QuietRebel | Dec 5 2018 20:51 utc | 14 B, thank you for all you do. Posted by: Pundita | Dec 5 2018 21:09 utc | 15 “The last two Democratic presidencies largely involved talking progressive while serving Wall Street and the military-industrial complex. The obvious differences in personalities and behavior of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama diverted attention from their underlying political similarities. In office, both men rarely fought for progressive principles — and routinely undermined them.” Posted by: ben | Dec 5 2018 21:54 utc | 16 reply to: QuietRebel 14 Posted by: frances | Dec 5 2018 21:56 utc | 17 @ chet380 | Dec 5, 2018 2:36:52 PM | 7 Posted by: Ort | Dec 5 2018 21:59 utc | 18 Yes when Lavelle shuts up and lets his guests talk, and he has intelligent guests, the shows are wonderful, like when he had Sharmine Narwani, Mohammad Marandi, and Ali al-Ahmed to talk about Khassoggi. But when he constantely interrupts or has ridiculous guests like the unbearable “Lionel” the show turns into a farce. Posted by: George Lane | Dec 5 2018 22:08 utc | 19 Just a word that I discovered your site about six weeks ago during the MbS crisis and I’m very impressed. I come here every day. Keep up the great work. Posted by: Eenusch | Dec 5 2018 22:09 utc | 20 Some new updates about ERA – the unique innovative technopolis of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Military scientific laboratories on the resort coast of the Black Sea, which are developing including the newest Russian weapons. James @ 8, lol, very funny…almost as funny as George Barris. You could be the host of the Gong Show featuring donkeytale and Jackrabbit. Posted by: donkeytale | Dec 5 2018 22:16 utc | 22 I would like to join in the gossip about Peter Lavelle but he does present the only program I watch on RT, except for Chris Hedges. The more I watch and read stuff by Chris Hedges the more I admire him. This is a journalist who gave up a brilliant career because of Iraq and has dedicated his time to writing books and visiting people in prison. Not to discuss his books, but to read bits from Howard Zinn’s great work: A People’s History of the United States. Posted by: Lochearn | Dec 5 2018 22:59 utc | 23 chet380 + ort Posted by: Curtis | Dec 5 2018 23:50 utc | 24 Curtis @24 Posted by: Richard | Dec 6 2018 0:04 utc | 25 @ 24 and @ 25 Posted by: Lochearn | Dec 6 2018 0:09 utc | 26 You link to your youtube page. Who the fuck is interested in that? If you have something to say say it. Posted by: Lochearn | Dec 6 2018 0:16 utc | 28 @28 Posted by: Richard | Dec 6 2018 0:30 utc | 29 @29 Posted by: Lochearn | Dec 6 2018 0:37 utc | 30 @30 Posted by: Richard | Dec 6 2018 0:44 utc | 31 @11 karlof1 Posted by: Grieved | Dec 6 2018 0:51 utc | 32 @ donkeytale.. thanks for rolling with that.. i have yet to hear from jr… probably no comment at this point! let this be a lesson in finding a way to shut him up, lol.. it seems to have worked with the both of you temporarily! Posted by: james | Dec 6 2018 1:17 utc | 33 Regarding rt’s “Cross talk” I have to agree with the consensus here that it’s much less than it could be. I find “Worlds apart” and “SophieCo” often worthwhile with interesting guests and informed questions. Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 6 2018 1:41 utc | 34 WHY THE SAUDI BOMBING CAMPAIGN IN YEMEN IS LEGITIMATE – AT LEAST ACCORDING TO JOHN MERSHEIMER
Putin – by supporting a war in Eastern Ukraine and illegally annexing Crimea – appears to be making good on his promise. Mearsheimer continues:
According to Mearsheimer, Ukraine and Georgia apparently are not sovereign nations, but must remain largely dependent economically and politically on Russia. Mearsheimer writes, “Western leaders should acknowledge that Ukraine matters so much to Putin that they cannot support an anti-Russian regime there.” In other words, Ukrainians are not allowed to elect an anti-Russian President, or join the EU/NATO. So elections under the idea of Mearsheimer are a sham – as is the concept of sovereignty. Posted by: craigsummers | Dec 6 2018 2:02 utc | 35 Posted by: paid jerk-off | Dec 5, 2018 9:02:16 PM | 35
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 6 2018 2:49 utc | 36 Dear craigsummers, if Mexico decides to become part of the Russian Federation then they have the right to do that, because self-determination, right? Posted by: blues | Dec 6 2018 3:04 utc | 37 Hypothesis #1 (please prove this hypothesis wrong: Posted by: snake | Dec 6 2018 4:25 utc | 38 Loophole in Bernie Sanders’ Yemen Bill Actually Allows Continued US Involvement in Yemen
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 6 2018 4:36 utc | 39 Canada has detained, for extradition to the USA, the CFO of Chinese electronics manufacturer Huawei, Wangzhou Meng, perhaps for US sanctions violations. When will the civilized world rebel against such arrogance? Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 6 2018 5:04 utc | 40 How False Testimony and a Massive U.S. Propaganda Machine Bolstered George H.W. Bush’s War on Iraq Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 6 2018 5:04 utc | 41 Following up from Uncle $cam, who turned me on to MoA so many years ago… This should be in everybody’s attention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fQoGMtE0EY Posted by: Polly | Dec 6 2018 6:54 utc | 45 The arrest of the Huawei CFO for possible extradition to the U.S. over alleged Iran sanctions violations appears an unprecedented hostile act. The Canadian government should not have allowed this, as the pressure to follow through on the actual extradition will be overwhelming. In turn, the arrogance of the U.S. officials who have decided this is a good idea will have rebounding negative effect. This follows Pompeo’s speech in Europe where he declared virtually all multilateral institutions other than NATO to be obsolete and demanded they reform to new American specifications. Posted by: jayc | Dec 6 2018 7:44 utc | 46 F*** me dead, I couldn’t believe it when the canucks bent over and spread their cheeks for amerika by slotting up Meng Wanzhou on Saturday, immediately before the G20 knees up. Meng isn’t just the CFO of Huawei she is the daughter of Huawei’s founder and major shareholder Ren Zhengfei.
Yeah right tommy you tit, don’t be letting amerikans try and make ends meet on the sh1t pay rates you and yer cobbers engineered – not when they can pay nearly twice as much buying a crappy iphone which your stickybeaked homeland security drongos can access. Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 6 2018 8:00 utc | 47 i am enjoying larry johnsons drawing connections with felix sater and michael cohen via his posts at sst… Posted by: james | Dec 6 2018 8:21 utc | 49 A recent 2017 ‘stumble on’ interview for other reasons but highly recommended — at 88-y.o. an old man angrily nails the dark side of Obama’s “killing” and labels (accurately, imo) the nature of military cowardice at 14,000ft. Posted by: imo | Dec 6 2018 8:38 utc | 50 imo | Dec 6, 2018 3:38:23 AM | 48 Posted by: V | Dec 6 2018 9:59 utc | 51 I was also about to post about the looking Trade War over Huawei… Posted by: ralphieboy | Dec 6 2018 10:18 utc | 52 So much for a truce in the US-China Trade War, Huawei CFO arrested for alleged breach of Iran Sanctions on Dec 1, yet strangely most media outlets are reporting about it today https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-05/trade-truce-over-canada-arrests-hyawei-cfo-us-request Posted by: EtTuBrute | Dec 6 2018 11:41 utc | 53 @ Ort # 18
We are doomed to live with it. Here we have another saying, “the grave corrects the humpback”. Posted by: Belomor | Dec 6 2018 12:55 utc | 54 @Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 6, 2018 3:00:42 AM | 47 Posted by: Sasha | Dec 6 2018 13:00 utc | 55 This is open thread day, Lochearn. You understand what that means? Posted by: morongobill | Dec 6 2018 13:28 utc | 56 @Posted by: Sasha | Dec 6, 2018 8:00:08 AM | 55
As an illustration….. Posted by: Sasha | Dec 6 2018 13:44 utc | 57 Thanks, james | Dec 5, 2018 3:04:54 PM | 10 Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2018 13:52 utc | 58 @Posted by: Sasha | Dec 6, 2018 8:44:46 AM | 57 Posted by: Sasha | Dec 6 2018 14:20 utc | 59 re: Huawei CFO Posted by: Ian | Dec 6 2018 14:22 utc | 60 The arrest of Meng is clearly a slap in the face of the CCP. One aspect not widely reported about Meng, the daughter of the owner, a former military man is an extremely wealthy government-favoured insider and clearly a front for elite CCP capitalist greed interests (oxymoron alert). Posted by: donkeytale | Dec 6 2018 14:24 utc | 61 @53 My thinking FWIW …the plan is to use Meng as some kind of bargaining chip in the US/China trade war. It’s very Trumpian. Posted by: dh | Dec 6 2018 15:33 utc | 62 Now China is being accused of engineering the Mariott hack via Reuters (although it could have been anyone as the hacking tools used are available online they note). Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 6 2018 15:49 utc | 63 Canada showed itself to be an abject servitor to its yankee masters when its authorities arrested the Huaweh CEO yesterday on behalf of the yankee imperium’s extraterritorial claims based upon actions taken outside the US resisting illegal sanctions on Iran. This exercise of power is a threat not only to Canada, which as a result of the large amount of Chinese investments which up to now has insulated it somewhat from the threat of economic collapse posed by reactions to yankee overreach elsewhere, but this abuse of power is a threat to the US economy itself. If Chinese business officials can be arrested (actually kidnapped since there is no legitimate legal theory which supports this) anywhere on flimsy extralegal exercises of extraterritoriality based solely upon the abuse of claims to world legal jurisdiction, then yankee or Canadian business people in Canada can be similarly detained by Chinese authorities, and, perhaps more significantly, Chinese authorities now have a rationale for seizing any US or Canadian corporation’s assets in China to compensate for actions which are objectively illegal even if US and now Canadian court systems are too corrupt to recognize the rule of law any longer. Posted by: exiled off mainstreet | Dec 6 2018 16:13 utc | 64 @Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 6, 2018 10:49:12 AM | 63 Posted by: Sasha | Dec 6 2018 16:17 utc | 65 The zionized MIC and the “biased” truth about Russia’s stance towards the West: Posted by: Anya | Dec 6 2018 16:32 utc | 66 Turning the nazi speech against their own “performers”, some Spanish humor about the recent success of “neo-nazis” in Spain….
Posted by: Sasha | Dec 6 2018 17:01 utc | 67 A top Huawei executive ,happy Zhang, a jovial mother, was onboard mh370 Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2018 17:06 utc | 68 the U.S. National Security Agency was targeting Chinese telecommunications companies Huawei and ZTE. A special operation has been under way called Operation Shotgiant, specifically targeting them for “national security” issues, as Edward Snowden documents revealed. Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2018 17:19 utc | 69 @47 debs.. thanks.. Posted by: james | Dec 6 2018 17:30 utc | 70 regarding huawei…. here is one american viewpoint… Posted by: james | Dec 6 2018 17:33 utc | 71 What a US lackey! Posted by: Zanon | Dec 6 2018 17:42 utc | 72 I think its better to use this link Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2018 17:43 utc | 73 Michael Hudson’s comment on Naked Capitalism: Posted by: spudski | Dec 6 2018 17:56 utc | 74 @71 There is some truth to that. The Chinese have been screwing Western companies but the Western companies have done OK out of it too. Posted by: dh | Dec 6 2018 17:59 utc | 75 Besides top Huawei/ZTE executives, Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2018 18:10 utc | 76 @75 dh… that was bound to happen… giving over one’s industry to another country is what the usa has been doing for a very long time… apparently it was okay that everything was made in china and sold cheaply to the rest of the world.. apparently all everyone had to do was get higher education so you could get a better paying job in some tech, finance or something, as opposed to manufacturing.. or something like that.. Posted by: james | Dec 6 2018 18:16 utc | 77 @ dh | Dec 6, 2018 12:59:07 PM
I would rather say that markets are going back to where they belong, at ~ half of the current value. Posted by: ex-SA | Dec 6 2018 18:24 utc | 78 Air Algerie AH5017, Air France 447, Malaysian MH370 and MH17: Vanishing Aircraft, “Numerology”, and the Global Elite Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2018 18:54 utc | 79 james Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2018 18:55 utc | 80 Posted by: james | Dec 6, 2018 12:33:18 PM | 71 : Posted by: Anya | Dec 6 2018 19:09 utc | 81 ok just one more… Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2018 19:11 utc | 82 Disgusting Trump had a Chinese executive arrested in Canada to be extradited to the U.S. for doing business with Iran! Never mind the other b.s. being used as an ass cover for this Trump extra-judicial act and those here defending this shet! So you’re telling me that what she did is worse than MbSawman’s butchery??? And Trump is protecting that war criminal! Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2018 19:14 utc | 83 damn it ! Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2018 19:18 utc | 84 @81 Anya Posted by: xLemming | Dec 6 2018 19:26 utc | 85 @71 Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2018 19:29 utc | 86 @85 Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2018 19:35 utc | 87 So let me get this straight now: a tyrannical monarch who starves an entire sovereign country by strategically blocking humanitarian aid at ports of entry there, and who has a dissident journalist who wants to start up an electronic army of dissidents against the Saudi monarchy sawed to pieces and boiled in acid is protected by Trump from the arrest and prosecution he deserves, but Trump uses the Canadian government to arrest and extradite a Chinese executive who dares to defy U.S. imperial sanction tyranny against Iran. Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2018 19:52 utc | 88 @85 You are right I was just going to come to james’ defence. He was quoting an anonymous comment from somewhere. Posted by: dh | Dec 6 2018 20:03 utc | 89 @78 “I would rather say that markets are going back to where they belong, at ~ half of the current value.” Posted by: dh | Dec 6 2018 20:10 utc | 90 xLemming, you are correct. Posted by: Anya | Dec 6 2018 20:18 utc | 91 Trump is sooo manipulative. Now he’s set to appoint Bush 41s Attorney General who is big on Executive power to replace Sessions. Gee, I wonder why??? Leverage? Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2018 20:24 utc | 92 ((lizard 42, not bad, the poem, i liked it, yeah well, uncle scam pops in, r-giap other story.)) Posted by: Noirette | Dec 6 2018 20:25 utc | 93 @91 Anya – “My apologies to James…” Posted by: Grieved | Dec 6 2018 20:25 utc | 94 Who the hell is “blue peacock Walrus” and why does his merican-sk(r)ewed opinion matter? Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2018 20:30 utc | 95 Circe @83 Posted by: spudski | Dec 6 2018 20:35 utc | 96 exiled off mainstreet @64– Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2018 20:38 utc | 97 @85 xLemming… thanks… thanks also anya and grieved… indeed i thought the line at the open and quotation marks were enough.. now i have to learn code, lol… thanks either way.. Posted by: james | Dec 6 2018 20:43 utc | 98 @97 Shortselling? Tut,tut….wouldn’t that involve complicity in the capitalist system? Posted by: dh | Dec 6 2018 20:58 utc | 99 @50 imo Posted by: Grieved | Dec 6 2018 21:11 utc | 100 |
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