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December 14, 2018

Newly Released 'Integrity Initiative' Papers Include Proposal For Large Disinformation Campaigns

The person(s) who first published documents of the shady UK organization Integrity Initiative decided that the discussion is about the Initiative is not yet sufficient and published more documents.

The first dump on the Cyberguerilla site happened on November 5. We discussed it here. A smaller dump on November 29 revealed more about the UK government paid Integrity Initiatives influence work in Germany, Spain and Greece. A third dump followed today.

The leaker, who uses the widely abused Anonymous label, promises to publish more:

Well-coordinated efforts of the Anonymous from all over the world have forced the UK politicians to react to the unacceptable and in fact illegal activity of the British government that uses public money to carry out misinformation campaigns not only in the EU, US and Canada but in the UK as well, in particular campaigns against the Labour party.
The Integrity Initiative is now under first official investigation. We promise to give close scrutiny to the investigation that we believe should be conducted honestly, openly and absolutely transparently for the society, rather than become an internal and confidential case of the Foreign Office.

To show our expertise in the investigation as well as to warn the UK government that they must not even try to put it all down to the activity of some charity foundations and public organizations we reveal a part of documents unveiling the true face of The Institute for Statecraft and some information about its leadership.
...
As the scandal in the UK is gaining momentum, it is ever so striking that European leaders and official representatives remain so calm about the Integrity Initiative’s activity in their countries. We remind you that covert clusters made up for political and financial manipulation and controlled by the UK secret services are carrying out London’s secret missions and interfering in domestic affairs of sovereign states right in front of you.
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This is another part of documents that we have on the Integrity Initiative. We do not change the goals of this operation. When we return with the next portion of revelations, names and facts depends on how seriously the UK and EU leaders take our intentions this time.

The dump includes invoices, internal analyses of international media responses to the Skripal affair, the Initiative's operations in Scotland, France and Italy, some strategy papers and various other stuff. There are some interesting bits about the cooperation of the Initiative with British Ministry of Defense. It will take me a while to read through all of it.

The most interesting paper I found so far is:

COMBATTING RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION
LAUNCHING AN ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS CAMPAIGN TO INFORM, DEBUNK, AND COMBAT STATE-SPONSORED PROPAGANDA
Comprehensive action proposal
(pdf)

A "strictly confidential" proposal by the French company Lexfo to spread the Integrity Initiative's state-sponsored propaganda through an offensive online influence campaigns for a monthly pay per language of €20-40.000. The proposal also includes an offer for "counter activism" through "negative PR, legal actions, ethical hack back, etc." for €50,000 per month.


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The offer claims that the company can launch hundreds of "news" pieces per day on as many websites. It notably also offers to "edit" Wikipedia articles.

In short: This proposal describes large disinformation operations under the disguise of fighting alleged Russian disinformation.

It is at the core what the Integrity Initiative, which obviously requested the proposal, is about.

But as we saw in the information revealed yesterday there is more to it. The Initiative, which has lots of 'former' military and intelligence people among its staff, is targeting the political left in Britain as well as in other countries. It is there where it becomes a danger to the democratic societies of Europe.

Posted by b on December 14, 2018 at 02:39 PM | Permalink

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Well if you want the truth about what's happening in the world you sure won't find it in lame stream media.
Thanks b for truth.

Posted by: jo6pac | Dec 14, 2018 3:02:51 PM | 1

Integrity Initiative: Spanish Cluster Misled UK Parliament Over Assange, Russia
https://sputniknews.com/world/201812141070699912-assange-integrity-institute-parliament/

What a bunch of mentalist type of people!

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 14, 2018 3:12:30 PM | 2

I tried to get the PDF, Firefox went into a "loop" that I couldn't get out of (To install "software2 (malware) that firefox itself prevented from being installed. Only solution so far is to close down firefox completely .

Posted by: stonebird | Dec 14, 2018 3:21:51 PM | 3

B-b-but the Brits magically didn't pay for any of the illegal activities. Oh no, they only paid for the nice, ethical things and the money for everything else came from... somewhere.

Posted by: worldblee | Dec 14, 2018 3:24:30 PM | 4

I’d bet a weeks wages on it that this is where Craig Summers came from and what he was ! This blog is the antidote to the official spin!
It was good to here from Craig Murray very thought provoking regards tactics.we all need our own method ! But not be gagged. I respect others ways we are on the same side .being united is the defence against devide and rule.
I wonder what the Tory’s think of this scandal they must be angry at this attack on democracy, nah only joking!
It’l be the dog that did’nt bark ! just like the media oh and the police ! One rule for them ‘no rule’ opression for us 99%

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 14, 2018 3:41:18 PM | 5

thanks b.... aside from wondering if this is russia accessing and sharing this, i think the sticking point is in this unintegrity initiative going after the uk political left... that is where i think this is going to get traction as more folks are going to wake up if they see how deep and ugly this goes in targeting their own..

i could be wrong, but if this news catches on, or the uk MP women keeps hammering away on this, i think we will see some results..

i opened the pdf... here is a quick list of their objectives..

investigate sources of disinformation, perform threat assessment, and identify opportunities to combat
false narratives

debunk fake news and black PR operations

discredit and intimidate the platforms broadcasting fake news

promote democratic principles and criticize the Russian illiberal model in the public debate, online. This plan should be implemented in every targeted country and language, including Russian.


maybe the uk folks can tell us how this is going

Posted by: james | Dec 14, 2018 3:42:42 PM | 6

In Australia the scale of tendentious anti -Chinese propaganda is absurd . Australia is flailing around trying to cope with changing circunmstances . Already at a disadvantage in 'reading ' the world because of her geographical isolation the clear bias of information she now faces from the Anglo/ U S media and government systems puts her at a disadvantage in forming intelligent policies .

Posted by: ashley albanese | Dec 14, 2018 3:42:44 PM | 7

Can anyone make a zip with all dumps and files? For sharing and archiving this would be much easier.. As i believe it will not last long till the scribd uploads etc are DMCAed.. My LUKS+Veracrypt secured storage system would be a safe bet for archiving, so i would volunteer..
Much appreciated!

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPropaganda | Dec 14, 2018 4:38:49 PM | 8

Buyer beware!

Note that this document --and I've seen more-- presumes there is a large scale Russian disinformation campaign going on.
Other documents presume Skripal was poisoned by Russia.

Once you run with these documents, beware that you are making those presumptions yours.
That may be the objective here.

In short: all these documents need to be vetted.

Posted by: bjd | Dec 14, 2018 4:44:33 PM | 9

DontBelieveEitherPropaganda

"Can anyone make "

No. Do it yourself.

No offense but in this age and on this blog, dont ask other people to do what you can do yourself. Make an effort and influence.

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 14, 2018 4:48:48 PM | 10

Breafly as a U.K. update —- the main news is still the brixt / Tory shambles has gone far beyound pafetic. i sence a slight distancing by the bbc, as it now is abundently clear the Tory titanic having hit the iceberg is about to break up ! Reality will always win. The massive web of Tory bbc lies, at this stage on the hourly radeo bulletins have ceased to work on this topic we’re getting 50% truth ! (A big improvement)
Regarding the topic of this post i’v hered absalutly nothing ! on last nights world service there was
a kind of mirror image story about Russia intelligence pafetic !
My conclusion as of now ? as expected a slow but steady implosion of the Tory party.
My prediction ? Teressa dis-May will resign by the new year. Trying to preserve some sembalence of dignity.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 14, 2018 4:56:24 PM | 11

Integrity Initiative got a lot of scrutiny because they used their Twitter account to attack Corbyn.

In it's latest info dump, Anonymous describes additional UK political manipulation, writing that the Director of The Institute for Statecraft Christopher Donnelly:

... lobbied the House of Commons Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee for an inquiry into Russia’s interference in the Catalan referendum. He invited members of the Integrity Initiative Spain cluster Francisco de Borja Lasheras and Mira Milosevich-Juaristi. At that moment they were receiving funds from the Foreign Office, i.e. the UK intelligence paid its own agents for fake proof of Russia’s interference in the Catalan referendum and later told them to lie to the Parliament to convince it to take anti-Russian steps.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 14, 2018 5:08:37 PM | 12

This dump has plenty on our pal Simon.

His official profile is very telling indeed I think - https://www.pdf-archive.com/2018/12/13/the-institute-for-statecraft-expert-team-v-3/the-institute-for-statecraft-expert-team-v-3.pdf:

"Simon Bracey-Lane: Currently runs the IfS “Integrity Initiative” network communications and network development process; deep experience in democratic election campaign processes in UK and especially in USA, viz: Regional Campaign Organiser: John Wisniewski for Governor of New Jersey, USA. January - May 2017; Statewide Campaign Organiser: Bernie Sanders for President 2016, USA. Sept 2015 – May 2016; special study of Russian interference in the US electoral process."

Whatever the truth of the matter, he can definitely multitask. Running the II network communications and development process (cultivating, recruiting, handling?) while also being a research fellow at the II's 'parent organization' Institute for Statecraft? I wonder how many hours he has left in a day to sleep!

Then again he seems to have form in this regard. 'Special study of Russian interference in the election process' simultaneously as being a key organizer in Sanders' campaign. Maybe he did his 'special study' in his free time?

Posted by: Kit Klarenberg | Dec 14, 2018 5:36:22 PM | 13

Pure brazen depravity. And how will the average UK citizen become informed of what seems treasonous activity? Seems venders with broadsheets in the style of yesteryear standing on street corners yelling EXTRA! need to return so the public can be informed of its government's activities--Social Media is not sufficient.

Bevin and other UK citizens: What do you call your Swamp?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 14, 2018 5:42:04 PM | 14

Any thoughts as to why exactly Russia became the chief demon?

It seems the hysterical propaganda was focused exclusively on ISIS until Putin spoke at the UN announcing Russia’s intervention in Syria. Then the propaganda shifted, first directed at Putin, then generally at Russia and Putin together. Is it anger over the prevention of imperialist design in the Middle East?

Posted by: jayc | Dec 14, 2018 5:46:12 PM | 15

Here's a list of about 60 organizations & projects devoted to spreading anti-Russia content in Western media. The Integrity Initiative is just the tip of the iceberg. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-wtpA2NomEj35bbVe1-iHX7rt4YzahPINm5w9A-SkcQ/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=109242632477374337132

And here are 2 great books about the origins and nature of Russophobia
https://www.amazon.com/Creating-Russophobia-Religious-Anti-Putin-Hysteria/dp/0997896523/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1544827699&sr=8-1&keywords=russophobia
https://www.amazon.com/Russophobia-Anti-Russian-American-Foreign-Policy/dp/0230614183/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1544827699&sr=8-3&keywords=russophobia

Lastly, I collect examples of anti-Russia content that I come across in the media at www.blameputin.com

Posted by: Koen | Dec 14, 2018 5:49:54 PM | 16

@ashley albanese. Yes Oz has become quite sad, a puppet state where the population lives in a matrix of complete ignorance. It isn't the country I grew up in. More exciting news is that it will also recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol, certainly a pressing and important issue for us. But then we do need do as we told...

Posted by: Rancid | Dec 14, 2018 6:23:54 PM | 17

jayc @15

It seemed to start with Bill Browder being kicked out of Russia. So I would assume that the main reason is that the west became aware that Russia was (had been) taking back control of their economy and resources and kicking out the western carpet-baggers. This belated realisation, that the prize that the west had gained and plundered in the '90s (from the collapse of the Soviet Union) had managed to wriggle free, seems to be something that the west can't accept.

Posted by: ADKC | Dec 14, 2018 6:26:19 PM | 18

In June of 2016 a bill named Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016 was introduced into the house by Congressmen Adam Kinzinger and Ted Lieu. H.R. 5181 sought a “whole-government approach without the bureaucratic restrictions” to counter “foreign disinformation and manipulation,” which they believe threaten the world’s “security and stability.”

A similar bill was introduced in March in the Senate long before Russia gate. It was passed signed by Obama in December after the Russia Gate was played up following the election.

Like I said US and UK are basically one entity on such matters. Soon after being passed we saw Prop or Not introduce its hit list of alt media sites. Sadly over the last 2 years alt media has been decimated. Engdahl seems to be the latest to fall, helped no doubt by Soros suit for 1 million against him for calling out his daughters NGO. Now he has fallen into line and backing Trump. Maybe next he will support the Climate Change meme.

Oh well, looks like its almost over for Truth, although some truth probably gets allowed if enough of the lies are also presented

So my take is the anti Russia hysteria was just a clever way of getting support for a war on Truth (fake news).

Russia now has a similar initiative said to combat fakes news from US which will likely be used against Putin critics (US agents). The law allows them “to block online content, including social media websites, whose activities are deemed “undesirable” or “extremist.” Maybe Putin is part of the Fake Wrestling game. Heel or Face, your choice.

I see the EU has set up a rapid alert system to help EU member states recognise disinformation campaigns, and increase the budget set aside for the detection of disinformation from . It will also press technology companies to play their part in cracking down on fake news. Major social media platforms have already signed up to a code of conduct. One minister said the EU would not stand for “an internet that is the wild west, where anything goes”.

Macron ntroduced a bill recently seeking to get “ judges and the media sector’s regulator involved in the fight against fake news. A fact-checking state-run website would be created and social media would have to pitch in by warning users when a post is sponsored -- or when someone pays to give it better visibility in a feed.”

I suppose the War on Truth has gone global. I wont bother to mention China as they are the role model the West
follows.


Posted by: Pft | Dec 14, 2018 6:54:10 PM | 19

Just re-read my@11 pretty dull sorry! But here’s a possibility!!!
Have they put a ‘ D notice ‘ on this subject !!! Ha got um !

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 14, 2018 7:24:19 PM | 20

jayc @15--

As I posted on an earlier thread, the demonization of Russia by Anglos began with the First Afghan War in the late 1830s and has continued at differing degrees of intensity ever since always due to geopolitics.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 14, 2018 7:36:27 PM | 21

@14 What do you call your Swamp?

"The Establishment", coined, I believe, by the historian AJP Taylor.
The founder of modern journalism William Cobbett used to call it "The Thing"

Posted by: bevin | Dec 14, 2018 8:08:33 PM | 22

The US State Department gives the title "public diplomacy" to its propaganda. Robert Parry wrote about it, and its contrast with truth, a couple years ago.

The idea of questioning the claims by the West’s officialdom now brings calumny down upon the heads of those who dare do it. “Truth” is being redefined as whatever the U.S. government, NATO and other Western interests say is true. Disagreement with the West’s “group thinks,” no matter how fact-based the dissent is, becomes “fake news.”
So, we have the case of Washington Post columnist David Ignatius having a starry-eyed interview with Richard Stengel, the State Department’s Undersecretary for Public Diplomacy, the principal arm of U.S. government propaganda.
Entitled “The truth is losing,” the column laments that the official narratives as deigned by the State Department and The Washington Post are losing traction with Americans and the world’s public.
Stengel, a former managing editor at Time magazine, seems to take aim at Russia’s RT network’s slogan, “question more,” as some sinister message seeking to inject cynicism toward the West’s official narratives.
“They’re not trying to say that their version of events is the true one. They’re saying: ‘Everybody’s lying! Nobody’s telling you the truth!’,” Stengel said. “They don’t have a candidate, per se. But they want to undermine faith in democracy, faith in the West.” . .here

Just ask John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer who was sent to prison for telling the truth about US torture.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 14, 2018 8:35:18 PM | 23

@15

Thanks, that looks great and should be reposted across alternative media- most of these groups use "anti-Russia" as a front to dismantle dissent and left-wing politics on behalf of the Multinationals and the Neoliberal Establishment- let's call it the "blob," and let's call that list Counter-Propornot.

Posted by: Blooming Barricade | Dec 14, 2018 8:47:12 PM | 24

Tory shambles has gone far beyond pafetic.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 14, 2018 4:56:24 PM | 11

This is a sly mythological reference that should be explained to most of the readers here. Pafos, also spelled Paphos, is an ancient city on Cyprus, and according to ancient Greeks, in the sea near Pafos the goddess Aphrodite emerged from foam. In a version for children that was sea foam, but actually, this foam was much more divine: the children of Kronos, until then the supreme divinity, confronted him under the leadership of Zeus and Zeus cut off his member, and as it happened high in the sky, the member, still full of divine seed, have fallen into the sea near Pafos, and it is from that seed, foaming in the sea waves, that Aphrodite was created. Athena emerged from the head of Zeus and was the brainy goddess, while Aphrodite retained affinity for male, you know.

In other words, this epithet suggests that the Tories degenerated into a crowd of brainless harlots.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 14, 2018 8:49:41 PM | 25

@ 15 jayc, @18 ADKC and @21 karlof1... my impression is the anti russian meme got real traction somewhere about 2014-2015 with the advent of ukraine dynamics and russias commitment to going into syria.. around that time it all really picked up steam.. now you have think tanks and etc. etc. profiting from the sale of anti-russia spin.. there appears to be endless money available for this..

Posted by: james | Dec 14, 2018 9:19:09 PM | 26

... now you have think tanks and etc. etc. profiting from the sale of anti-russia spin.. there appears to be endless money available for this..

Posted by: james | Dec 14, 2018 9:19:09 PM | 26

This is an incomplete narrative, think tanks are basically mercenaries who relieve the population from the need to think about the complicated matters, letting the folks to believe what is either true or should be believed to be true for the "common good". And the "common good" is decided by paymasters. Somewhere in between are mass media populated by folks particularly averse to thinking -- again, they were selected by the employers not to think but to write and talk "correctly". But the press/TV lords will not chisel all details of what is true and important, and what is false, unimportant or both, so journalists can absorb it from think tanks and briefing from government informed sources. There are also astro-turfs and so on.

And indeed, Russian danger was identified ca. 2014 as the major worthy theme in the central parts of that nexus. So who are the paymasters? In part, "capitalists", wealthy individuals with means and motivation to set the course for the West and all forces of good. In part, intelligence agencies. Here Integrity Initiative seems an erratic creature: apparently, run by spooks on military and intelligence payroll, and yet also benefiting from a government grant that makes them a quango, "a semipublic administrative body outside the civil service but receiving financial support from the government, which makes senior appointments to it." In other words, they double dip. The total amount is relatively modest, so rather than getting fat on taxpayer money they merely double or triple they spare official salaries thus reaching "upper middle class" level. Therefore the morale in the outfit was mediocre and we can see one of the more amusing leaks of 2018.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 14, 2018 9:49:29 PM | 27

james @26:

... my impression is the anti russian meme got real traction somewhere about 2014-2015 with the advent of ukraine dynamics and russias commitment to going into syria..

I think we can surmise that the Russian objection to US bombing Syria in September 2013 was countered with a two-prong strategy:
> doubling down in Syria via ISIS;

> pushing hard for overthrow of Ukrainian government to: a) punish Russia, and b) keep Russia busy so that the Russians refrain from any further support for Syria

It was a superb and well-thought out strategy . . . that failed miserably. The coup in Ukraine succeeded and ISIS came within weeks of defeating Assad BUT Russia managed to secure the best parts of Ukraine -and- intervened in Syria anyway (along with Iran).

The failure to contain Russia was realised by Kissinger when he penned an Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal that made a cryptic call for MAGA to counter the Russians/Chinese. After outlining the challenge to the World Order, Kissinger concludes:

Even as the lessons of challenging decades are examined, the affirmation of America's exceptional nature must be sustained. History offers no respite to countries that set aside their sense of identity in favor of a seemingly less arduous course. But nor does it assure success for the most elevated convictions in the absence of a comprehensive geopolitical strategy.

So the strategy changed once again. MAGA was as much a policy change as it was a campaign slogan. Obama's devious faux peacefulness that used covert action and proxy forces could not succeed against determined opposition from Russia/China. To prevail, Empire strategists recognized that USA needed to be able to call on regular troops and a deep sense of patriotism and righteousness that required re-developing nationalism. In short, "MAGA".

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This is what I wrote at nakedcapitalism.com shortly after Kissinger's Op-Ed was published in August 2014:

My reading is that Kissinger is asserting that the US can and should do whatever it takes to keep the US preeminent – even if that means ignoring allies and/or the post-war international structure (UN, UNSC). That exceptional! message comes through loud and clear despite his ‘triage’ formalism. And it is a message that is comforting to the elite who read the WSJ (before a holiday weekend), though it should give Joe Sixpack nightmares if fully understood.

There is a lot more there which would take much longer to unpack. But I’ll point to one more thing: Note how he forms an equivalence between all the troubles that the ‘West’ now face, and ignores US/Western actions that have contributed to these conflicts by conflating them. NC readers understand this via Merschemer’s (in today’s links) work on Ukraine and many links regarding ISIS (like this one).

This comforting message [from Kissinger] is needed because the Ukraine gambit has failed miserably – as many independent obeservers [sic] predicted– and a deeper conflict with Russia (possibly extending to others) is now in the cards. Like the true neocon that he is, Kissinger has doubled down on Nuland’s obnoxious and misguided “f*ck the EU” with an exceptional! “f*ck the World”.

God help us.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 14, 2018 10:41:58 PM | 28

Note: Kissinger's WSJ Op-Ed was published on August 29, 2014.

Within weeks of its publication, the Obama Administration was in full anti-Russia swing.

Trump would enter the race for Republican nomination 9 1/2 months after Kissinger's Op-Ed (June 15, 2015).

Trump was the ONLY populist, out of 19 contenders, in the Republican race. Hillary told Democratic-friendly media to focus on Trump and did things during the Presidential race that call into question her desire to actually win. Trump is a MUCH better choice for a MAGA nationalist than Hillary.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 14, 2018 10:51:26 PM | 29

@Jackrabbit 28,

You were right then, and you are right now. My one beef with your 2016 election analysis is that it seems to me you shortchange slightly the evidence of a real conflict and possibly fissure within the oligarchic elite, only certain segments of which seem convinced that now is the time for MAGA. Others among the actual power brokers would I think have preferred HRC and 4-8 more years of neoliberal internationalist interventionist grift a la Obama before having to finally turn to the MAGA nationalist strategy (which given the resource struggles that will emerge over the next decades was always inevitable once the Project for the New American (Israeli) Century collapsed, as it was bound to once Russia called its bluff in Syria.) But this is a minor point. What is much more important is that behind MAGA is an envisioned world war on the scale of WWI and WWII in which "The West" takes on China-Russia leading to the death of probably everybody.

Posted by: WJ | Dec 14, 2018 11:03:55 PM | 30

"..my impression is the anti russian meme got real traction somewhere about 2014-2015 with the advent of ukraine dynamics and russias commitment to going into syria..."

I think that the proper context begins with the failure of Medvedev's Russia to veto the UNSC motion establishing a No Fly zone over Libya. Inter alia this led to a real reverse for and an humiliation of China which had large financial investments as well as large numbers of personnel involved in Ghadaffi's imaginative schemes.
My guess, and it is not a particularly well informed one, is that after the Libyan disaster-the worst sort of imperialist over reach and brutality not only did China realise that Imperialism was reverting to its nightmarish type, but Russians leaders saw that a permanent alliance-until the defeat of the empire- was the only alternative that it and China had to 'hanging separately'. And that the same went for Iran and Syria-nobody could trust the west any longer and it would be foolish, and dangerous, to continue to do so.
The hate campaign against Russia is just the old campaign, against any country resisting the Empire's hegemony, focused on the one power that had resisted since 1917 and was able to do so, returning to its old role of saying 'Niet' when all the rest of the world said either 'Aye Aye,Sir' "If you insist" or kept quiet and said nothing at all.
Of course, 2011 was the last in a long series of increasingly stupid US aggressions, all of which Russia knew very well were aimed at it as much as the selected sacrificial victim.
Those who say that Saddam was about oil could not be more wrong: he was a human sacrifice, slaughtered ritually on the corpses of a million of his fellows, to demonstrate that the USA can do what it chooses when it wishes.
Karl Rove was wrong: not even Empires can create their own realities. The extravagant and bloody theatre of decades swaggering around the middle east finds the US not only poorer but weaker than it was in 1980.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 14, 2018 11:33:45 PM | 31

"It notably also offers to "edit" Wikipedia articles." b

Wikipedia stopped being a reliable source for accurate information a long time ago.
Finding reliable alternatives is a bit more effort; but worth it for accurate information.


Posted by: V | Dec 14, 2018 11:37:12 PM | 32

Wikipedia stopped being a reliable source for accurate information a long time ago.
Finding reliable alternatives is a bit more effort; but worth it for accurate information.

Posted by: V | Dec 14, 2018 11:37:12 PM | 32

It is more complicated. Wikipedia is sprawling and manipulations happen on entry basis, and it often leaves "controversies". I also discovered that it is worth to brush up on language skills, if there are any. For example, on recent events in Crimea there is an entry "Crimea Crisis" with Russian and Polish versions, and Polish "pro-Westerners" somehow left few traces of activity. I wonder how is it in German and French Wikipedias. In English, think tanks and deep states indeed lack sufficient counter-activity.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 15, 2018 12:02:03 AM | 33

@DontBelieveEitherPropaganda

Why didn't you make an archive yourself?

Meanwhile the leakers account at Scribd has been slashed and all the files with it.

Anyway - here is a Mediafire zip created yesterday of (allegedly) all files published so far. IntegrityInitiative.zip. Save it as long as it is available.

Posted by: b | Dec 15, 2018 12:16:08 AM | 34

@ jackrabbit, I've heard other observers make the link with Kissinger's op-ed, but your demonstration is very convincing. William Engdahl made the same call, Hillary's not a suitable player to pull off MAGA with masses of deplorables. Unfortunately for anglo-american strategists, Trump with his linear cretinism lacks the necessary wherewithal to implement and execute a comprehensive geopolitical strategy. Kissinger comes from another era, and probably cannot grasp how far devolution has taken american elites in the cesspit of post modern hedonism.

Posted by: Augustin L | Dec 15, 2018 12:47:50 AM | 35

@V

It's illuminating to see this NATO-backed operation looking at a PR firm to edit Wikipedia because this brings to mind the notorious "Philip Cross," which, for those not in the know, was uncovered by Craig Murray and others (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/05/the-philip-cross-affair/) as having edited the pages of prominent left wing people and Labour Party people. In Germany, Left Party Bundestag member Diether Dehm has highlighted a similar figure in German language Wikipedia, "Feliks," targeting socialists in that country. The similarities of both to the proposals made by the PR firm above are eerie.

Posted by: Blooming Barricade | Dec 15, 2018 12:54:41 AM | 36

@ Piotr Berman | Dec 15, 2018 12:02:03 AM | 33

Can't speak for the French version of Wikipedia but with the German edition it is as bad as anywhere else when it comes to social and political issues, particularly so if geopolitics (the West, ME, Russia ..) is concerned.

Two people, a biologist and a journalist, independently investigated networks on a senior editor and admin level active within WikipediaG. What they found is rather shocking. One can't just edit a Wikipedia article, no matter how fact-based. It will almost immediately be retracted if it doesn't follow the 'official' narrative. If said person then tries to reestablish that content or tries to engage in a discussion with the admins, in many cases, they simply get banned then.

These guys can also be found on Youtube: Gruppe42 (group42)
Unfortunately their main documentaries are only available in German language but there's some other content 'Geschichten aus Wikihausen' - 'The Tales of Wikihausen' with English subtitles.

Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlgGx9LM5cM
It's about a former female STASI-employee turned fighter for freedom and democracy.
Currently she is the head of the Antonio-Amadeo-Foundation dedicated, to put it bluntly, to doing the bidding for the usual suspects - and to add insult to injury taxpayer funded to a large part.

Posted by: Hmpf | Dec 15, 2018 1:25:47 AM | 37

The BBC won't taalk about it but when it is in the House of Commons they have to
Sole result of a search "Integrity Initiative" on the BBC news website
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bv9zxj
(12/12 when then question was raised in the house of commons)

Posted by: Mina | Dec 15, 2018 4:16:39 AM | 38

Moon of Alabama, please un-ban craigsummers. I firmly believe that he/she is not a troll, and is honestly in sovereign control of his/her ideas that he/she posts. Would you also ban Neera Tanden? Or Rudy Giuliani? Hillary Clinton? John Bolton? [equivalent German example--sorry, not up on that]?

Such people might be some of the worst examples of humans, but that doesn't mean they're trolls. In fact, plucking some kind of motivations out of their psychopathic minds might be a good thing for the rest of us. If people such as them are posters here, this would allow an opportunity to study them.

Posted by: Soft Asylum | Dec 15, 2018 4:36:27 AM | 39

"Anonymous Hackers Expose UK Plans to Mine Sevastopol Days Before Crimea Vote"
https://sptnkne.ws/kpWP

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 15, 2018 4:43:24 AM | 40

Posted by: stonebird | Dec 14, 2018 3:21:51 PM | 3

Stonebird: I got via Firefox, perhaps you have a plugin that is preventing access? I'll put it up online shortly and leave a link here. It's vital that this info gets the widest distribution (Remember Mirros?)

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 4:58:28 AM | 41

Posted by: Soft Asylum | Dec 15, 2018 4:36:27 AM | 39

Such people might be some of the worst examples of humans, but that doesn't mean they're trolls. In fact, plucking some kind of motivations out of their psychopathic minds might be a good thing for the rest of us. If people such as them are posters here, this would allow an opportunity to study them.

You feel you lack opportunities to study them? Pick up a newspaper, or turn on the cable news.


Posted by: Russ | Dec 15, 2018 5:01:57 AM | 42

The thread over on Craig Murrays site-

British Security Service Infiltration, the Integrity Initiative and the Institute for Statecraft

Posted by: TJ | Dec 15, 2018 5:03:04 AM | 43

How about unbanning me? Ya'll seem to be fine with me spewing shit about China under the pseudonym 'flayer'

Posted by: tom | Dec 15, 2018 5:25:13 AM | 44

Piotr Berman @ 25
Can I employ you as my gost writer ? I enjoyed your contribution. We both nailed the Tory situation at the moment!
So let’s combine now the Tory’s and there all to many clandestine activities!!!
Please tell us about—- ‘ Medusa’ ? And her relevance to this post !

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 15, 2018 5:26:14 AM | 45

Piotr Berman @ 25, Mark2 @ 45:

Aphrodite was born from the foam of the sea near Paphos when Kronos slew his father Uranus, while the latter was enjoying intercourse with Gaia (who ended up popping more children than there was room between Uranus and Gaia to fit them - because Uranus was the sky and Gaia was the earth), castrated him and threw his genitals into the sea.
https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/goddesses/aphrodite/

Kronos then received a prophecy that one of his children by Rhea would also usurp his position as King of the Gods. He therefore swallowed his first five children. The sixth child born to Rhea was taken to safety in Crete and Kronos was given a stone wrapped in babies' clothes to swallow instead. Later, when Zeus had matured, he forced Kronos to vomit up his other children and they imprisoned him in Tartarus. Thus did the prophecy come true.

Zeus then received a prophecy that his first-born son from his first wife Metis would usurp him. So he went one better than Kronos: he swallowed Metis. He later got a headache and Hephaistos took an axe and cut into his head. Thus was Athena born. After that, Metis couldn't give him any more children and the prophecy remained unfulfilled.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 15, 2018 6:04:39 AM | 47

Soft Asylum @ 39
I’m with Russ on this @ 42 when the hell are the mainstream media going to give us a platform to tell the truth about absalutly enyone one of the posts on this blog!! You want the oil the land the money and now the last remaining form of communicating the truth so you can infect it with lie’s!
And to prove the point—-
O K i’ll Stick my neck out here ! I’m calling it !
I am almost certain that a ‘D notice’ has been placed on the main stream media !
Relating to ‘Integrity Intitiative’ and probably other similar clandestine organisations run and finanased by this government to influence negatively the public regarding the political oppersition. They’v done this useing public tax payers money ! Curupting the democratic proses of this county (allegedly)

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 15, 2018 6:04:46 AM | 48

B: this info is astounding! Or perhaps not? Maybe the fact that the spooks are notoriously inept is what's astounding? I mean you would think that what with all dweebs working for the state (eg GCHQ), they would be able to protect their own excreta?

The earlier disinfo (it's a Russian plot etc) makes sense but it didn't work!

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 6:08:03 AM | 49

I know I shouldn't, but I can't help chuckling when pondering the Very British contradictions inherent in their so-called Integrity Initiative - aka Integrity, innit?

Integrity funny word and has has 2 definitions:

1. the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
2. the state of being whole and undivided.

Clearly, most ppl would know they were having their leg pulled if someone were to suggest that Pommy leaders are honest and have strong moral principles. So definition 1 is irrelevant to The Brits.

Definition 2, on the other hand, is quite a snug fit.
So long as everyone at Integrity, innit? agrees that they're in the Bullshit business, the Boss is always right, and they never tell the truth, then they can claim, with a straight face, to have integrity (of the Type 2 variety).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 15, 2018 6:16:19 AM | 50

mark2

are you illiterate or dyslexic? your comments add nothing to the thread and devalue this site

Posted by: m | Dec 15, 2018 6:34:22 AM | 51

As we know a ‘D notice’ not only prevents the MSM from talking about a subject, but also prevents them from mentioning that a D notice has been put into effect ! So ‘if’ I am right, we can deduce —- from here on—- eny news paper that prints a story related to Integrity Intitiative will have been fed that story by mi5 or similar government out-let as false propergander. And the journalist envolved is therefore not to be trusted henceforth !!! (Allegedly

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 15, 2018 6:48:26 AM | 52

@ 51
No! I’m angry ! And so should you be ! But thanks, i’l comment no more on this post.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 15, 2018 6:53:25 AM | 53

Posted by: m | Dec 15, 2018 6:34:22 AM | 51

m: I think you're be unfair to Mark2, so he can't spell, okay, so what? But his comments about the D Notice are apposite doncha thank? Or am I missing something?

Bill

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 7:07:32 AM | 54

Jay @15
Sorry, I didn't read any of this until this morning. Russia is the go to enemy when you need to bump up your purchasing of very expensive military equipment and to pour money into various security projects to achieve to goals (1 is to lock down infrastructure etc. but the other is to suppress the US citizens so a two-for). Asymmetrical wars against tiny nations without air support are hard to justify spending Trillions of dollars forever. That dog just won't hunt after 18 years of a no-win war in Afghanistan (or anywhere else). So, Russia and now just to make it even more critical, China are enemies that demand massive military buildups of equipment that won't ever actually (hopefully) be put to use. This is to fight a two theater war against two nuclear superpowers. Basically, it is insanity but it will make a few people very rich.

The long game plan, which continues unabated regardless of which party or who is in power, is American hegemony of the planet. When you consider the US has military bases in 155 countries (who essentially have become colonies) it seems like the goal is nearly completed unless you consider that major nuclear armed nations are resisting (Russia, China and maybe Pakistan and India as well). If you take a look at Russia during Yeltsin the US companies nearly bought everything in the country and the raping was in full vigor. Someone at DoS or the CIA very badly miscalculated letting Putin come into power. He was, after all, a minor minion and basically came out of no where. I am assuming they thought he would continue the raping and disarmament of all former Soviet weapons and Russian businesses. Sadly for them he turned out to be a patriot and actively resisted everything the US was trying to do to Russia. I believe the Yukos deal was the final straw which would have given nearly all Russian oil and gas to Exxon/Mobil. So, Putin has been battling the US successfully since and is very slowly eliminating all the oligarchs the US put into power and draining his swamp of Atlantacists and 5th column.

That is the over simplified view but it sums it up enough to explain what we are seeing. It is as always all about money. So, Putin has resisted aggressively all US encroachments into the Russian sphere of influence. The sanctions actually help Russia. A devalued ruble is great for oil exports which are only 12% of Russia's GDP. More self sufficiency is also a huge benefit. A partnership with China ensures the US cannot ever achieve their goals of global domination. The US military has proven for the past 70+ years they are incapable of any meaningful fighting and that the military is woefully incompetent. The ABM test results even when cheating heavily are only roughly a 50% hit rate. That is against "normal" ballistic missiles. Russia's new systems already circumvent this system by mid-flight course corrections.

The biggest problem is the neocon elites really believe all their own propaganda. That is very scary.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Dec 15, 2018 7:09:31 AM | 55

Posted by: Kit Klarenberg | Dec 14, 2018 5:36:22 PM | 13

Kit, that pdf has vanished into the bit bucket!

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 7:35:05 AM | 56

Agreed: Mark2 can't spell.
m however is rude and arrogant. Perhaps Mark2 is dyslexic? Perhaps m is a psychopath? Who knows? Who cares? Let a hundred flowers bloom.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 15, 2018 7:46:40 AM | 57

Posted by: jayc | Dec 14, 2018 5:46:12 PM | 15

Jayc: you ask why Russia and specifically Putin? Cast your mind back to 1991 and the fall of the USSR and Yeltsin's coup and the theft of billions of Russia's capital resources by Goldman Sachs et al. The Empire figured what was left of the former USSR was a pushover and its vast natural resources, highly educated population, ripe for plucking and along comes the Tatar Putin, a descendent of Genghis Khan! Whoops!

And only just in time. Then think about the invasion of Iraq in 1991 and later in 2003 and then Libya. The Russians stood by. But Syria was a step too far and too near!

Jayc, it's Western, racist hubris. The Russkies are just a bunch of jumped up peasants (Hitler made the same mistake), so when they asserted their right to resist, and it really started in 2015 with the Western financed 'revolution' against Assad, it came as a real shock to the system to see that Russia actually did have real guns that fired and real jets and satellites to watch it all. After all, it was those peasant Russians who went into space first (Duck agogo Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, the genuine father of space exploration).

It must have rocked the bastards back on their heels. So they hate Putin! He restored Russia's faith in itself and that is simply not permissible! And do it with a military budget a small fraction of the Empire's and one that Putin CUT by 10% this year! Wakey-wakey!

Okay, this is a vastly simplified explanation and I'm not going to deal with the internal contradictions of Russia, that's for the Russians to do. But it seems that once more, the Russkies are saving our tired, sorry Western arses.

Bill

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 7:54:52 AM | 58

Posted by: bevin | Dec 15, 2018 7:46:40 AM | 56

Right On Bevin!

I must say that having been online since around 1979, and seen decades of 'flaming', by and large this is the most polite and sensible discussion space I've come across. I don't know how Bernard does it but whatever it is, it works.

Let a 1000 Moon of Alabama's rise over this benighted planet!

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 8:00:18 AM | 59

Thousands of vulnerable UK citizens (at least 120,000) have died from Conservative austerity policies. It's a mini genocide controlled by the DWP using Work Capability Assessment tests and Universal Credit. These are the tools designed to tip people into abject poverty and homelessness on purpose. The United Nations visited the UK and saw the tragedy for themselves but nothing has changed.

Poverty is violence. Yet this group of spooks engaged in this expensive campaign of disinformation couldn't care less about their fellow Britons dying like wild animals. That says everything about them.

I always suspected there was something dodgy about Anonymous too.

Posted by: Rosa | Dec 15, 2018 9:04:16 AM | 60

William Bowles @ 57

I commented at the Saker at the time of the first Ukrainian war that it looks like Mother Russia is being set up to defeat fascism for the second time in 100 years. History may not exactly repeat itself but it does rhyme.
If I were the West I would tread very carefully, after the catastrophes of the 1990's the Russians are in no mood to roll over for anyone. The West was surprised at the weapons and operational arts displayed in Syria, and that was just the conventional stuff....

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein | Dec 15, 2018 9:29:46 AM | 61

karlofi - Britain doesn't have swamps (environmental sort), but it does have lots of Bogs. And Bog is also another term for lavatory/toilet - so one might describe Westminster, the City of London and the rest of the bourgeois British world as one Big Bog (if only someone would flush it).

Posted by: AnneR | Dec 15, 2018 9:30:57 AM | 62

Well, I was excited about the supposed "lots on Skripal" and thought maybe there would be a smoking gun. Disappointed (mediafire zip linked by b)! All I opened was the files with the word skripal in the name - nothing but ultra-boring newspeak from what seem like spotty adolescents trying their best to feed their paymasters with the propaganda they want.

The only one of any interest at all was the one reporting on skripal news coverage in Greece: the author was relatively normal, and coverage in Greece was pretty neutral and sceptical of the UK propaganda.

There were only 100 documents in the zip which was supposed to be everything released so far (i.e. all three dumps).

Is there any evidence to confirm that all three dumps were done by the same person/people? I can't help wondering whether the third dump might have been damage control from the Integrity Initiative themselves, to try to show that there is not much there.

As I said though, I didn't open anything except the files with skripal in the filename, so maybe there is something interesting somewhere else. It may be that by specifically looking for skripal I failed to find any files with policy or analysis. All the files I looked at seemed to be reports from the clusters in various countries (often addressed to Simon), or pure propaganda (spotty teenagers) with no analysis.

Posted by: BM | Dec 15, 2018 10:18:31 AM | 63

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Dec 15, 2018 9:44:59 AM | 62

PP: This looks a lot like a DB a guy I used to know in DC, through my connections to the original Covert Action Information Bulletin, based in NYC who built a searchable database with what looks like the same information! But for the life of me I can't remember his name. I met him once on a trip to DC, i'd been trying to convert his DB over to the Macintosh. I think it's still online. I'll dig thru my archives.

What a tangled web they weave. I wrote a piece on the Bush Family awhile back which ended up in an abridged form in 'Devastating Society', edited by Bernd Hamm, for Pluto Books.

https://williambowles.info/2003/05/08/the-bush-family-saga-frauds-r-us-by-william-bowles/

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 10:25:05 AM | 64

Mark2

Re: D notice

It doesnt look any better.
Western MSM will silence a state funded troll farm because the same state say so, Jesus, what world are we living in?
Same morons wonder why no one trust their MSM rag!

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 15, 2018 10:30:52 AM | 65

ZH has a posting up about the Integrity Initiative and gives MoA a hat tip for being early onto the issue.

This should insure that it won't be buried but I suspect it is time for another big shiny thing to appear to distract the masses

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 15, 2018 10:32:15 AM | 66

Okay! It is/was called Spybase, and created by Daniel Brandt. Foreign Affairs magazine badmouthed it here:

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1989-03-01/spybase

And they misidentified it as well!

See also Namebase, the original collection of intelligence agents.

NameBase - Wikipedia
Founder Daniel Brandt began collecting clippings and citations pertaining to influential people and intelligence agents in the 1960s and especially in the 1970s after becoming a member of Students for a Democratic Society, an organization that opposed US foreign policy.
[Search domain en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spybase] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spybase

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 10:52:51 AM | 67

Scary but worth a read:

What are the Odds of a Shooting War Between NATO and Russia? “70% Chance of Combat”
An Interview with George Szamuely

https://www.globalresearch.ca/what-are-the-odds-of-a-shooting-war-between-nato-and-russia-70-chance-of-combat/5663011

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 11:16:15 AM | 68

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 11:16:15 AM | 67

That piece sums it up well, especially NATO's increasingly aggressive posture. And how self-righteously stupid the US is being. I think 70% might be optimistic. This situation is even more like 1914 than 1914 was, in that the reallywantingwar-to-bluster ratio looks even worse. Meanwhile Trump, with his self-indulgent saber-rattling, is like a twitter-empowered Kaiser. Imagine that back then.

Another commenter up above says this'll be Russia's second go-round with fascism. Yup, and they can send US/NATO where they sent Hitler, Napoleon, Charles XII.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 15, 2018 11:44:03 AM | 69

Posted by: Russ | Dec 15, 2018 11:44:03 AM | 69

Russ, I wish I could be that optimistic. Yes, madmen they may be but they're madmen with tactical nukes! And judging by another End of Days scenario, they actually seem to be contemplating their use, gambling that the Russians wont call their bluff! More like the Cuban Missile Crisis than Sarevevo. So which side will blink first?

See: Be Afraid … Be Very Afraid! By John Rachel

https://williambowles.info/2018/11/23/be-afraid-be-very-afraid-by-john-rachel/

And then of course, we have Global Heating, which the Empire figures will 'take care' of that surplus to requirement population, whilst the 1% wait it out in their bunkers.


I'm glad I'm at the other end of my life, rather than the beginning.

“…we have the certainty that matter remains eternally the same in all its transformations, that none of its attributes can ever be lost, and therefore, also, that with the same iron necessity that it will exterminate on the earth its highest creation, the thinking mind, it must somewhere else and at another time again produce it”. — Frederick Engels, from the introduction to ‘The Dialectics of Nature’, 1883.

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 12:15:58 PM | 70

thanks everyone for giving a response to either my comment, or @jayc's initial comment on what started this russiaphobia... i think many of the answers are relevant and there is no one answer...

i recall how quickly 'cambridge analytica' came and went, in spite of the strength of the data on them manipulating much... i imagine a similar story hee with 'integrity initiative'..

as for wikipedia - everyone knows it's a full on propaganda site masquerading as a neutral info site... the fact that it is mentioned in this integrity initiative data dump shows just how mainstream and 'go to' in the world of propaganda it is viewed by the intel services and anyone else trying to get in on some of the gov't money handouts for this type propaganda.. it would be very cool if the wikipedia site made a statement saying we no longer need donations, as the intel services of the west have been paying us to continue... at what point does wikipedia become an official and open arm of western propaganda?? why continue to try to hide this when it is so apparent??

Posted by: james | Dec 15, 2018 12:41:47 PM | 71

Posted by: james | Dec 15, 2018 12:41:47 PM | 71

"at what point does wikipedia become an official and open arm of western propaganda?? why continue to try to hide this when it is so apparent??"

That's one of neoliberalism's refinements over classical fascism: Just as they figured out you don't need to kill dissenters since no one listens to us anyway, so you also don't need formal Gleichshaltung under a de jure Geobbels ministry since the MSM will happily "coordinate" itself and really doesn't need to be told what to do. They already know since theirs is the same ideology.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 15, 2018 12:47:43 PM | 72

@ William Bowles 70

Well, I'm only optimistic about that last part if they really can keep it to just shooting and not let the missiles fly.

On the other hand I'm not at all optimistic about that. Though even then I suspect it'll hit the West worst, precisely because any such leveling is hardest on the most complex, most high maintenance, most just-in-time, least robust, least resilient, most top-heavy Tower of Babel. That would be the US, Europe, and their dependencies.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 15, 2018 12:51:58 PM | 73

from the link in b's post: As we see it, the main weakness in the Russians’ disinformation campaign is their embrace of a quantity - over quality and credibility - strategy as shown by their lack of credible spokespeople, their publication of a high volume of “easily” identifiable propaganda and “fake news”, and their heavy reliance on a few biased partisan sites, dubious social media pages and uninspired trolls. Their stories are hard to believe,...

That sounds so much like a self-description of the US-UK MSM it is uncanny. (Bellingcat anyone? for ex.) Which, imho, shows a complete lack of creativity, suppleness, or even a low-level semi-efficient approach to the general problem of information / narrative control. Because that is what it is all about: much of the discourse around it is waffle, which masquerades as 'new' as it invokes 'new info' double-speak: social circuits, fake news, distribution, deep learning, connectivity, targetting, etc. (and other terms that are less readily comprehensible..)

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 15, 2018 12:52:52 PM | 74

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 15, 2018 12:52:52 PM | 74

Hah! I think it was Goebbels who said that the biggest mistake a propagandist can make is to believe his own propaganda and I think your quote exemplifies it! But note it always has to contain an element of truth eg, 'as shown by their lack of credible spokespeople'. Yes, the Russians, just like the North Koreans ain't very good at spin and thank goodness. It was a lesson that Nixon never learned, the Emperor really is naked!

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 1:30:28 PM | 75

@72 russ.. okay.. i get that... thanks!

on the newest thread bjd make what i thought was an exceptional comment, which is easy enough to gloss over, but i think worth repeating on this thread... here it is

"...why --if these initiatives are truly meant to save and strengthen democracy-- (aren't they) proudly proclaimed and advertised, in the open, transparent, for everyone one to see and judge, like an adult democracy that they claim to stand for..."
The fact that they aren't, is testimony to the nefarious anti-democratic, authoritarian and totalitarian streak that runs in between every two lines that they put on paper."

Posted by: bjd | Dec 15, 2018 12:46:08 PM | 8"

i modified bjds words in a minor way..

Posted by: james | Dec 15, 2018 1:39:04 PM | 76

I'm sure Bernard is going to ban me soon but before he does, you have to read this from Ron Unz on the Huawei debacle:

Although it is far from clear whether the very elderly [Sheldon] Adelson played any direct personal role in Ms. Meng’s arrest, he surely must be viewed as the central figure in fostering the political climate that produced the current situation. Perhaps he should not be described as the ultimate puppet-master behind our current clash with China, but any such political puppet-masters who do exist are certainly operating at his immediate beck and call. In very literal terms, I suspect that if Adelson placed a single phone call to the White House, the Trump Administration would order Canada to release Ms. Meng that same day.

Adelson’s fortune of $33 billion ranks him as the 15th wealthiest man in America, and the bulk of his fortune is based on his ownership of extremely lucrative gambling casinos in Macau, China. In effect, the Chinese government currently has its hands around the financial windpipe of the man ultimately responsible for Ms. Meng’s arrest and whose pro-Israel minions largely control American foreign policy. I very much doubt that they are fully aware of this enormous, untapped source of political leverage.(my emph.

Averting World Conflict With China

The PRC Should Retaliate by Targeting Sheldon Adelson's Chinese Casinos

By Ron Unz

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50767.htm

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 2:13:24 PM | 77

"MAGA was as much a policy change as it was a campaign slogan....To prevail, Empire strategists recognized that USA needed to be able to call on regular troops and a deep sense of patriotism and righteousness that required re-developing nationalism. In short, 'MAGA'."
@28 Jackrabbit

I highlight these lines of your interesting post because, in the context of the Kissinger Op-Ed you refer to, they capture an angle I had not considered and have to a degree nudged my thinking off what had been a steady course of assumptions and beliefs relating to MAGA that go in the opposite direction from your hypothesis.

Trump's invocation of MAGA on the campaign trail was presented in such a way as to seem to overwhelmingly favour a pullback from Imperialism in order to make things right at home. It drew from, and fed on, the angst and diminishing prosperity of the segment of the population that had been hit hardest by Globalization of the economy, to which Imperial adventures can be, and after are, associated. The possibility that MAGA was, in fact, a sly misdirection to co-opt the fervour of re-ignited passions in a disenfranchised segment of the America people - to re-capture the kind of patriotic commitment and ardor that drove the war effort in two world wars - into a renewed Imperial adventure was obviated, in my view, by Trump's loud and overt criticism of past Imperial adventures such as the Iraq war and Obama's inaction regarding ISIS (the accusation that Obama "created" ISIS was a bombshell, in my opinion).

Trump engaged in a bare, pointed, often crass and bordering on contemptuous criticism of his predecessors’ foreign policy. The irreverent tone was unprecedented in recent campaign history and was so plain and completely at odds with Hilary's stated positions that it essentially committed him (in my eyes anyway) to following through, or to make all efforts to follow through. If not, he would set one of the worst examples of a duplicitous politician, perhaps ever. The same applies to other bold campaign positions, such as the border wall, for example.

But when viewed in the context of a deep state "policy change," such a clear and utter denunciation and discrediting of the former policy would be necessary to shift the National mindset and would not necessarily preclude Trump from engaging in further Imperial adventures, as long as they were different from the discredited policy.

Doing it smarter and better than Obama did seems to the ticket to legitimacy for whatever Trump does in the foreign policy realm. Replacing ISIS with actual American troops (while protecting a core capacity to revive ISIS if needed) is an example of doing it differently from Obama, but the net result – with parts of Syria denied to the legitimate government – still supports stark Imperialist, interventionists goals in a different way. The Russians and Syrians have free reign to attack ISIS, but do not have the same liberty against American troops. The flip-side is that the American troops do not have the freedom of action of ISIS to attack Syria. This creates a static line that serves the purpose of a partitionist goal. (ISIS is being allowed to survive to enable an element of proxy action, for harassment purposes).

I find I can no longer dismiss Trump's appointments, in particular Pompeo and Bolton to key positions directing and shaping US foreign policy, as some kind of 5-D chess move. They are signs that he is either a hostage President, or he is in on the act. There is so much that remains unknown, but the clear outward indicators are that nothing really has changed when it comes to US foreign policy objectives, only the methods and approaches are different.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Dec 15, 2018 2:17:05 PM | 78

@78

Remember Obama's 'Change' meme? We don't understand that behind all these guys, and they are mostly men, stands industry and its skills; advertising, marketing, statistics, psychology, pr, on and on it goes. And billions, billions, to spend! We are the amateurs! Remember Saatchi & Saatchi's campaign to have Thatcher elected?

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 2:47:47 PM | 79

A new extremely lucrative ‘industry’ has sprung up.

a) to exploit hugely massive data sets (Facebook’s trove and money earner..) and influence ppl => attitudes, behavior, votes, etc. For ex. Cambridge Analytica. Much of this stuff is for now on the level of a scam. E.g. Trump was not elected due to any type of manipulation or meddling by anyone, excepting those who financed him (other story, hard bucks and bribes - not! internet detritus or subliminal messages) and imho the US MSM - TV specially - who care more about ratings and the money it brings than anything else.

These efforts have got a lot of press, imho it is all smoke. If anyone has a good ex. of success ? (The model is built on about 200 years of advertising lore.)

b) Further upstream is to control the information that goes out / the audiences who are allowed to see whatever info, react to it, communicate it - other. With the corollary of repressing dissident, unwelcome, contradictory, info, etc. Been going on since say the Upper Paleolithic.

Today, what has to be managed is the extreme free-flow (internet): the only way this can be done is:

- to limit the channel, block info or some proportion of it, make the channel too expensive / unusable / forbid, repress

- to limit or corral the users (via propaganda / coercion / permission / certification / numbers / privilege / cost, etc.)

- to triage the information, the ‘news’, the narratives, the opinions, the appeals, etc. which represents the ultimate control and is the choice made by the US-UK to mention only those.

Ex.

https://twitter.com/ERC_Research/status/999632938936479746

or totally ‘bogus’ ‘science’ like this:

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6380/1146

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 15, 2018 3:20:14 PM | 80

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 15, 2018 3:20:14 PM | 80

Noirette, yuo want proof? Check out 'Programming of the President' by Roland Perry, Aurum Books, 1984. It's About Richard Wirthlin and the Mormons. Can a computer be used to elect a president? Wel it elected Ronald Reagan. It's only a coupleof quid on Abe Books. Essential reading IMHOP.

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=22859608878&searchurl=tn%3DProgramming%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPresident%26sortby%3D17%26an%3DRoland%2BPerry&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-image1

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 15, 2018 3:34:42 PM | 81

jackrabbit @ 28

activist potato @ 78

Re: "The possibility that MAGA was, in fact, a sly misdirection to co-opt the fervour of re-ignited passions in a disenfranchised segment of the America people - to re-capture the kind of patriotic commitment and ardor that drove the war effort in two world wars - into a renewed Imperial adventure was obviated, in my view, by Trump's loud and overt criticism of past Imperial adventures such as the Iraq war and Obama's inaction regarding ISIS (the accusation that Obama "created" ISIS was a bombshell, in my opinion).

Trump engaged in a bare, pointed, often crass and bordering on contemptuous criticism of his predecessors’ foreign policy. The irreverent tone was unprecedented in recent campaign history and was so plain and completely at odds with Hilary's stated positions that it essentially committed him (in my eyes anyway) to following through, or to make all efforts to follow through. If not, he would set one of the worst examples of a duplicitous politician, perhaps ever. The same applies to other bold campaign positions, such as the border wall, for example.

But when viewed in the context of a deep state "policy change," such a clear and utter denunciation and discrediting of the former policy would be necessary to shift the National mindset and would not necessarily preclude Trump from engaging in further Imperial adventures, as long as they were different from the discredited policy."

So which of Trump's nominees gets kneecapped first? Michael Flynn

Former Military Chief: Iraq War Was A ‘Failure’ That Helped Create ISIS

12-19-16

Retired Lt. General Michael Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency who came up through intelligence positions in Iraq and Afghanistan, says that the George W. Bush administration’s Iraq war was a tremendous blunder that helped to create the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS.

“It was a huge error,” Flynn said about the Iraq war in a detailed interview with German newspaper Der Spiegel published Sunday.

“As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him,” Flynn went on to say. “The same is true for Moammar Gadhafi and for Libya, which is now a failed state. The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to go into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind with that decision.”

When told by Der Spiegel reporters Matthias Gebauer and Holger Stark that the Islamic State would not “be where it is now without the fall of Baghdad,” Flynn, without reservations, said: “Yes, absolutely.”

Read the entire interview here: https://tinyurl.com/zmxd3uf

Flynn, who served in the U.S. Army for more than 30 years, also said that the American military response following 9/11 was not well thought-out at all and based on significant misunderstandings.


BTW:

Hold the Phone on Flynn Sentencing – Judge Emmet Sullivan Has Questions

12-12-18

Interesting, very interesting. As noted in the Flynn sentencing memo last night there were some curiously framed explanations of events surrounding his FBI inquisition.

Now Judge Emmet Sullivan wants expanded information, and wishes to see the actual notes (FD-302) that were mentioned by Flynn; and Judge Sullivan is directing the special counsel to provide all documents created by the FBI surrounding the Flynn interview:

from the comments:

Curt says:
December 12, 2018 at 9:56 pm
This could be big news! Judge Emmet Sullivan was the same judge that had prosecutors investigated for criminal actions they took in the Sen. Ted Stevens FALSE prosecution. Some on Mueller’s team, including Weinstein, were held in contempt. One prosecutor committed suicide. Others threatened with disbarment and some were suspended. “A federal judge dismissed the ethics conviction of former Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska on Tuesday after taking the extraordinary step of naming a special prosecutor to investigate whether the government lawyers who ran the Stevens case (2008) should themselves be prosecuted for criminal wrongdoing. Mueller was also involved in that horrible attempt by prosecutors to frame Sen. Ted Stevens. Judge Sullivan has absolutely no use for this group of prosecutors. He smells a rat here and is asking for all investigative materials, including 302s. This judge will not hesitate to take action against these crooked prosecutors if he finds evidence of ANY wrong doing.


See: Cautionary Tale: The Ted Stevens Prosecution

On April 7, 2009, Judge Emmet G. Sullivan of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia unleashed his fury before a packed courtroom. For 14 minutes, he scolded. He chastised. He fumed. “In nearly 25 years on the bench,” he said, “I’ve never seen anything approaching the mishandling and misconduct that I’ve seen in this case.

. . .

For months Judge Sullivan had warned U.S. prosecutors about their repeated failure to turn over evidence. Then, after the jury convicted Stevens, the Justice Department discovered previously unrevealed evidence. Meanwhile, a prosecution witness and an agent from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) came forward alleging prosecutorial misconduct. Finally, newly appointed U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced that he had had enough and recommended that the seven-count conviction against the former Alaska senator be dismissed.

On April 7, Judge Sullivan did just that. But he was far from done.

In an extraordinarily rare move, he ordered an inquiry into the prosecutors’ handling of the case. Judge Sullivan insisted that the misconduct allegations were “too serious and too numerous” to be left to an internal Justice Department investigation. He appointed Washington lawyer Henry F. Schuelke III of Janis, Schuelke & Wechsler to investigate whether members of the trial team should be prosecuted for criminal contempt.

Judge sentencing . . . Michael Flynn orders special counsel to hand over all 302s"


12-13-18 Following the allegations, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan yesterday ordered that both the Mueller investigation and the Flynn team turn over all documents [the "302s"] relating to the fateful interview, including all contemporaneous notes, before 3pm Friday.

DiGenova slams Mueller's handling of Flynn FBI meeting

4:04

Rumor has it the next chapter of this story unfolds Monday, 17 Dec '18.

Posted by: pogohere | Dec 15, 2018 5:57:43 PM | 82

Flynn was likely set-up and railroaded because he was a whistle-blower. I wrote about Flynn here.

In recent days we have discovered that Flynn was advised not to have counsel present during his FBI interview and that the FBI is withholding the actual interview notes. The same FBI cabal that has dogged Trump - but AFAIK, Trump has said nothing about the Flynn case.

Yet another reason to believe that Trump is not a "populist" savior but yet another agent of the establishment/Deep State.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 15, 2018 6:58:24 PM | 83

New Mueller memo smacks down Flynn’s latest legal gambit: Nobody forced him to lie to the FBI. Dead in the water.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/new-mueller-memo-smacks-flynns-latest-legal-gambit-nobody-forced-lie-fbi/

Michael Flynn's a well known islamophobe who'd gladly defend zionist interests to the last american soldier. He'd fit right in with Bolton on the NSC council. Flynn in his own words: "Islam is not a real religion, but a political ideology masked behind a religion," While campaigning for Trump in 2016: ''Islamism a vicious cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people that has to be excised "

I wonder how he planned on excising the cancer ? Deploying more stormtroopers to the levant to fight Iran ?
As Trump assumed control of the executive in early 2017, it didn't take long for Flynn to push for direct military involvement in Yemen and confrontation with Iran: “Instead of being thankful to the United States for these agreements, Iran is now feeling emboldened... As of today, we are officially putting Iran on notice.”

Michael Flynn was also a fellow at the foundation for defence of democracies a well known den of zionists and universal fascists such as Michael Ledeen. In fact they both wrote a book together The Field of Fight: How We Can Win the Global War against Radical Islam and Its Allies, where we find such nuggets as:

“The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Putin has declared the United States (and NATO generally) to be a national security threat to Russia, and “Death to America” is the official chant of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Both the Putinists and the radical Iranian Muslims agree on the identity of their main enemy. Hence, one part of the answer is surely that their alliance is simply the logical outgrowth of their hostility toward America.''

“The Russians and Iranians have more in common than a shared enemy. There is also a shared contempt for democracy and an agreement — by all members of the enemy alliance — that dictatorship is a superior way to run a country, an empire, or a caliphate.”

Flynn's angle was to exploit any potential fissure to pry Russia away from Iran and China. Presumbably after having dealt with Iran and the middle Kingdom, the hegemon could then strike a final blow to defeat and contain an isolated Russia.
https://www.amazon.com/Field-Fight-Global-Against-Radical/dp/1250131626

Deplorables envisioning multi-dimensional chess moves, fancy Flynn as some sort of superpatriot but like most men surrounding Chump he's nothing but a grifter:
Lobbying for Turkey: https://theintercept.com/2016/11/17/turkish-client-paid-trump-adviser-michael-flynns-company-tens-of-thousands-of-dollars-for-lobbying/

Posted by: Augustin L | Dec 15, 2018 7:48:43 PM | 84

Augustin L

Whatever his faults may be, he confirmed the DIA memo that said that US allies wanted to establish a Caliphate and said publicly that it was a "willful decision" by the US govt not to fight ISIS (which actually was seeking to establish a Caliphate). AFAICT, he was a pariah ever since.

Interview snippet (Youtube)

Reporting: Obama Took “Willful Decision” to Support the Islamic State (ISIS): Former US Intelligence Chief.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 15, 2018 10:18:21 PM | 85

Reply to Augustin L | Dec 15, 2018 7:48:43 PM | 84

“Flynn in his own words: 'Islam is not a real religion, but a political ideology masked behind a religion',"

Anyone who makes the effort actually to read the Islamic texts, so as to know what the hell they're talking about, will realize that Flynn's statement quoted above is 100 percent correct – about that, and that alone.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Dec 15, 2018 11:22:49 PM | 86


@Anti Spin,
You won't get any quibble from me regarding your assessment. Abrahamic religions in their worst incarnations are core male chauvinist murder cult. I question Flynn's intent when he goes further and calls for excision of islamism from 1,7 billion followers of Islam. How does one go about excising christianity from christian followers ? Or for that matter, the good general should worry about excising christian fascists, quiverfulls and dominionist monkeys who sit two feet away from the nuclear football in DC ?

Posted by: Augustin L | Dec 16, 2018 12:25:48 AM | 87

Further to the Flynn take down:

Sidney Powell on the Flynn trial-Thursday, December 13, 2018-Segment 4

8:25 min

Re: speculation on what could happen before Judge Sullivan rumored to occur on Tuesday, 18 Dec '18 regarding the conclusions the judge will have reached following his review of the documents he requested be delivered to him by 3pm, Friday, 14 Dec '18.

Licensed to Lie, Sidney Powell

FYI: From the bio in the book: Sidney Powell served in the Department of Justice for 10 years in Texas and Virginia and has devoted her private practice to federal appeals for the past 20 years. She was the youngest Assistant United States Attorney in the country and the youngest elected Fellow of the American Academy of Appellate Lawyers, for which she also served as President. Recognized by her peers as a "Super Lawyer" and named as one of the "Best Lawyers in America" for years, she has been lead counsel in more than 500 appeals in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, resulting in more than 180 published opinions, and was President of the Bar Association of the Fifth Federal Circuit. Powell's briefs have long been used as samples for practitioner.

In Licensed to Lie, Powell leads readers through the disturbing events, missteps, cover-ups, malfeasance, and corruption of justice that have caused her to question the system she has been committed to for over 30 years. With the narrative style of a legal thriller, this true story captures the drama of the law, the real human cost and consequences of the corruption of justice, and cautions for anyone facing the Department of Injustice.

Posted by: pogohere | Dec 16, 2018 1:46:06 AM | 88

Do the Russians, Chinese read these leaks and if so, what do they make of them? Anybody amongat this learned gathering have any idea?

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 16, 2018 1:10:24 PM | 89

All this countering fake news. Why is it that news - like that of this integrity initiative - is never countered, never shown to be fake, but simply buried by 99% of the media refusing to comment on it.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Dec 16, 2018 7:29:12 PM | 90

@89 I'm sure Putin has a whole department working on that stuff. You know those Russians. Chinese? Probably they just see it as gweilo business.

Posted by: dh | Dec 16, 2018 7:47:08 PM | 91

Russ | Dec 15, 2018 12:51:58 PM | 73

Russ, if it goes nuclear, it's end of story, there's no such thing as a limited or tactical nuclear war. Putin knows it, the question is does the Empire?

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 19, 2018 11:30:58 AM | 92

pogohere @88 Further to the Flynn take down

The Judge said that Flynn had "sold out his country" but later apologized for it.

I later heard MSM report of the Judge's "sold out" claim against "disgraced general Michael Flynn" but they didn't report the apology.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 19, 2018 12:18:59 PM | 93

Well. There you have it. You should no longer believe *anything* that comes out of the mouths of politicians. This article is the 'wake up' call. It categorically states that the powers-that-be will lie to you.

What a f**ked up world!

Posted by: rgl | Dec 21, 2018 3:07:20 PM | 94

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