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December 07, 2018

Neocons Sabotage Trump's Trade Talks - Huawei CFO Taken Hostage To Blackmail China

CNN reports that White House chief of staff John Kelly is expected to resign soon. There have been similar rumors before, but this time the news may actually be true. That is bad for Trump and U.S. policies. Kelly is one a the few counterweights to national security advisor John Bolton. His replacement will likely be whoever Bolton chooses. That will move contFrol over Trump policies further into the hands of the neo-conservatives.

It was Bolton who a week ago intentionally damaged U.S. relations with China.

The U.S. Justice Department arranged for Canada to arrest the chief financial officer of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, over alleged U.S. sanctions violations with regards to Iran. The case is not over the sanction Trump recently imposed, but over an alleged collision with the sanction regime before the nuclear deal with Iran. The details are still unknown.

Meng Wanzhou is a daughter of the founder and main owner of Huawei, Ren Zhengfei, and was groomed to be his successor. The company is extremely well regarded in China. It is one of its jewel pieces and, with 170,000 employees and $100 billion in revenues, an important political actor.

The arrest on December 1 happened while president Trump was negotiating with president Xi of China about trade relations. Trump did not know about the upcoming arrest but Bolton was informed of it:

While the Justice Department did brief the White House about the impending arrest, Mr. Trump was not told about it. And the subject did not come up at the dinner with Mr. Xi.

Mr. Trump’s national security adviser, John R. Bolton, said on NPR that he knew about the arrest in advance, ..

Bolton surely should have informed Trump before his dinner with Xi, in which Bolton took part, but he didn't.


It was a trap. The arrest is a public slap in the face of China and to Xi personally. It will not be left unanswered. Whatever Trump may have agreed upon with Xi is now worthless. John Bolton intentionally sabotaged the talks and the U.S. relations with China.

Huawei is Chinese manufacturer of telecommunication equipment. It is the world leader in 5G wireless technology that will soon replace the wireless networks we know today with much higher data capacities, faster response times and many new features.

After Huawei was founded in 1987 it copied technology from Cisco and other U.S. manufacturers. Today it is a technology power of its own. It is one of the leading inventor in the 5G field and over the last years filed thousands of patents related to it. Its success in the field is genuinely self made:

With 5G, Chinese companies started developing know-how early. Huawei has invested $600 million in 5G research since 2009, according to a company spokesman, and has committed an additional $800 million for this year. The company is testing 5G equipment with European telecom operators including BT, Deutsche Telekom and Vodafone.

As of early 2017, 10 percent of the 1,450 patents essential for 5G networks were in Chinese hands, according to analysts with Jefferies, who wrote that they expected the figure to rise. That number includes intellectual property rights held by Huawei; another Chinese equipment maker, ZTE; and others.

Huawei's share in 5G patents has since risen further. Right now it is the only true 5G supplier that can build a complete network.

The company is still depending on computer chips manufactured in Singapore, Taiwan and the United States. But Huawei and other Chinese companies are now investing in their own chip manufacturing technology. They plan to use the 7 nanometer process which only few other companies in the world provide. Huawei is also investing in qantum computing.

The December 1 arrest of Meng Wanzhou and a number of other incidents on that day gave raise to a number of interesting conspiracy theories in the Chinese web sphere (via Peter Lee, links added):

Red @OmeletteRed - 19:09 utc- 6 Dec 2018

A great explanation of the Huawei Kidnapping, written by a comrade in the Deng Gang Central discord. There may be a lot more than meets the eye in Canada’s shock arrest, at US behest, of Huawei’s CFO and heir apparent Meng Wanzhou (link below).

Chinese sources have assembled the following facts:

  • April 2017: A director of Chinese tech giant Huawei personally escorted famed Shanghai-born physicist Zhang Shoucheng from the latter’s hotel in Shenzhen. Jackson & Wood Professor of Physics at Stanford University, Zhang was in town to attend an IT summit.
  • Sept. 2018: Prof. Zhang receives a European physics award, one of his many honors. His work in quantum physics is expected to revolutionize the global semiconductor industry. Yang Zhenning, the first Chinese scientist to receive the Nobel Physics Prize (1957), had predicted that Zhang would be the next one.
  • Dec. 1, 2018: Prof. Zhang and Meng Wanzhou are expected to attend a dinner in Argentina, where the G20 summit is being held.
  • Dec. 1, 2018: On her way there, Meng is arrested in transit by the Canadian government.
  • Dec. 1, 2018: Prof. Zhang falls to his death from a building in the US, allegedly a suicide. Said to be suffering from depression, he was 55.
  • Dec. 1, 2018: A nighttime fire breaks out at a factory of Holland’s ASML, the world’s leading manufacturer of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography technology. EUV is crucial to the production of the next generation of semi-conductors, which US and Chinese tech firms as well as Korea’s Samsung are competing to be first to bring to market. Leading Chinese semiconductor producer SMIC is known to have ordered EUV technology worth US$120 million from ASML, for scheduled delivery early in 2019. After the fire, ASML announced that it expected delays in shipments of its products, notably early 2019.

Prof. Zhang was also a venture capitalist. He was a founding partner of a Silicon Valley-based fund investing primarily in early-stage technologies. Danhua Capital, also known as Digital Horizon Capital, holds shares in Silicon’s Valley’s start-ups who work on artificial intelligence, cybersecurity, and drones. Danhua is backed by Zhongguancun Development Group, a state-owned entity funded by the Beijing municipal government. The company has come under scrutiny of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) which suspects (pdf) that its purpose is to pilfer critical U.S. know how and to transfer it to China.

Zhang's family says that his death had nothing to do with U.S.-China tensions.

The U.S. spy services and military do not like Huawei. They can no longer easily hack the equipment it sells. Convincing Cisco or some other U.S. company to leave back doors in their equipment is quite simple. One can always threaten the management or board of these companies with some tax investigation or over other shady activities. That is not so easy when the company is hosted in China. It requires the NSA and others to use more expensive efforts to reach their aim:

The National Security Agency breached Huawei servers years ago in an effort to investigate its operations and its ties to Chinese security agencies and the military, and to create back doors so the National Security Agency could roam in networks around the globe wherever Huawei equipment was used.

The U.S. is lobbying various countries not to use Huawei equipment. It claims that the Chinese government could use it for spying. That thought was obviously born when the U.S. spies looked at what they are doing themselves. Australia, New Zealand and Japan already agreed to keep Huawei out. Today the EU tech commissioner Andrus Ansip also warned of using Huawei. Ansip was previously the prime minister of the U.S. protectorate of Estonia. He is known to be a U.S. mole and is not taken too seriously:

Germany, meanwhile, said it opposed excluding any manufacturers from the planned construction of 5G mobile networks.

Meng Wanzhou, the arrested Huawei CFO, will have her bail hearing in Canada today. It is likely that she will fight her extradition to the United States. Staying in full compliance with U.S. sanctions is difficult and Huawei may indeed have not always done so. Then again - U.S. allegations of sanction violations can always be made up from hot air.

They are certainly not the real reason why Meng Wanzhou has come under fire. The White House even admitted such.


Meng Wanzhou was taken hostage to be used as leverage in China trade talks. The 'leverage' could also be used to push Huawei into providing the NSA with back doors to its equipment. This is the policy style of Somali pirates or Saudi clown princes. The ruthlessness of this blackmail operation is breath taking. It is typical of neo-conservative behavior to use such extreme measures. Trump's foreign policy is run by neo-conservatives and they are again, like when they faked intelligence to lay the grounds to invade Iraq, creating huge damage:

Melania was right when she told an interviewer in Africa that her husband is surrounded by enemies within his administration. These are people who either opposed him during the 2016 campaign season or who signed up early in the campaign with an expectation that they could get jobs in a Trump Administration and in both cases understood that a president not accustomed to thinking seriously about other than business hustle could be manipulated or deceived in pursuit of their own agenda rather than his or that of the "deplorables."

These people are the neocon incubi and succubi who seek an even more dominant hegemonic role in the world for the US. They are out and out imperialists of a kind not seen since the time of McKinley and the US-Filipino War.
Bolton, Pompeo, his new helpmate Mary Kissel, dozens and dozens of Obama globalist holdovers, and people who find Trump's boorish ways repulsive, they all are undermining the administration from within and Trump does nothing about it.
Is Trump competent in such matters as tax policy, regulatory reform and trade negotiations? I think he is, but he is allowing the neocons to destroy the possibility of rational political relations in Europe and the Middle East.

... and with China.

William Barr was just nominated as the new Attorney General. He already had that position during the G.W. Bush administration and believes in the 'unitary executive', the dictatorship of executive power. Kelly is leaving. Bolton and Pompeo have Trump's ear and will manipulate him into selecting one of their friends as Kelly's replacement. Secretary of Defense Mattis is the next one to get kicked out. When all of Bolton's selected persons are in place, U.S. foreign policy will become even more radical than it already is.

Taking the CFO of one of China's premier companies hostage to gain control over its technology and as leverage in trade talks is already an extreme measure which will have long term damaging effects on U.S.-China relations. Imagine what else can be done when the little that is left of lawful behavior and decency in U.S. foreign policy gets completely thrown out.

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5lies, partners in crimes.

In case you forget,
another air assasination.

The United States and its allies are experts at covering their crimes and finding scapegoats to take the blame for them. They are doing it now with their disinformation campaigns against Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and Syria.

The night of April 6, 1994 the Hutu presidents of Rwanda and Burundi, Juvenal Habyarimana and Cyprien Ntaryamira, and General Nsabimana, the Rwandan Army Chief of Staff, as well as several other dignitaries and a French flight crew were murdered when the plane they were on was shot down over Kigali airport by anti-aircraft missiles fired by members of the Tutsi-led Rwanda Patriotic Front, or RPF, with the assistance of the governments of several countries. Paul Kagame, the leader of the RPF junta now in control of Rwanda, and who was seen with US Army soldiers at his headquarters two days before the event, gave the final order for the shoot down but he did so with the assistance or complicity of the governments of the United States of America, Britain, Belgium, Canada, and Uganda.

the French anti-terrorist judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere, who spent several years investigating the shoot down on behalf of the families of the French flight-crew, told Boutros-Boutros Ghali, the Secretary-General of the UN in 1994, that the CIA was involved in the shoot down, adding strength to Boutros-Ghali's statement to a Canadian journalist that the Americans are 100% responsible for what happened in Rwanda.

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2018 16:05 utc | 101


The only thing Milley might tolerate about Russia is that maybe he suspects some Russians helped push Trump over the edge in 2016. So don't get any ideas. He ain't returning favors. Milley's appointment PROVES without a shadow of a doubt that Trump was the choice of the 1% rulers. Milley's loyalty to Trump is borderline obsession. Trump is Zionist, MIC, total establisment and he just appointed the hawk general of generals, leader of his fan club as the enforcer. Things are gonna get batshit crazy. As if they weren't bad enough!

Posted by: Circe | Dec 8 2018 16:17 utc | 102

Brit bioweapon expert David Kelly,
SUICIDED in the wood.

He knew too much about the fukus
ethnic specific bioweapon program.
Its one of the to do items in that
PNAC road map for world domination.

No sooner had he died then SARS hit the entire
CHINESE world.

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2018 16:31 utc | 103

@90, 97

Truth is indeed stranger than fiction, and I'll add: there are no coincidences.

Timing is also a mechanism of truth, and I'm referring to Trump's dinner with Xi occurring on December 1st. Everything came together to spell: U.S imperial hegemony (and let's not forget who leads the Empire, clue: Kissinger is their spokesman and master machinator). Trump is paving the way of no resistance and imposing the rule above the Law. Deception is truth. Trump is all in, and don't you forget it!

Posted by: Circe | Dec 8 2018 16:38 utc | 104

fukus fighting China AQ
in Mali.

Johnnie Carson, U.S. assistant secretary for African Affairs,
China is a “very aggressive and pernicious economic competitor with no morals.”

Say who ?


Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2018 16:54 utc | 105

@ denk 73. What always ceases to amaze me about those responsible for the deaths of people like Professor Zhang and many others is that there are consequences in scientific advancement totally unforssen by eliminating these minds. There may or may not be a delay in the direction Professor Zhang was persuing but without doubt these interconnected incidents will actually accelerate the gap between US and Chinese technologies.
Another aside is that it will have a positive effect on Russian Chinese relations and I can forsee the military gap between the U.S. and the east becoming wider, much to the east’s advantage.

Posted by: Beibdnn. | Dec 8 2018 16:55 utc | 106

Beiddn 106

*these interconnected incidents will actually accelerate the gap between US and Chinese technologies. *

isnt it why they wanna take out Zhang ?

He might help China to narrow the gap
over semiconductor technology.

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2018 17:06 utc | 107

The Donald Undone: Tilting at the Swamp, Succumbing to the Empire
by David Stockman

Posted by: mauisurfer | Dec 8 2018 17:15 utc | 108

When the criminal mega-tax-evader Bill Browder (also implicated in multiple murders in Russia) will be extradited to Russian Federation? You know, Browder a grandpa of the fraudulent Magnitsky Act promoted by the noisy Israel-firsters in the US Congress:

This Bill Browder, the darling of US ziocons:

The Freedom of Information and the ziocon defense of Bill Browder -- Synopsis of the documentary "Magnitsky Act" has been removed from wikipedia:–_Behind_the_Scenes

The honest documentary about Browder suffers the same fate as the documentary "Two Hundred Years Together" by Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn
"MOST BANNED BOOK IN THE WORLD: 200 Years Together Russian-Jewish History":

Posted by: Anya | Dec 8 2018 17:20 utc | 109

Caption for China/US dinner picture.

Trump: Vichyssoise and gazpacho are best served cold, don't you think so Mr. Xi? I'd like to introduce the President's men and they're all on the same page as me. Some things are best served COLD.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 8 2018 17:40 utc | 110

reply to: Robert 54
"If Trump wasn't told, why not? Who decided not to tell Trump; and who actually decided, at just that sensitive time. dinner with Xi and all, to ask for the bombshell arrest towards extradition? "
Seems familiar doesn't it, last time he dined with Xi the US shot up Syria. My guess is Trump rides a runaway coach, he is not in charge and the various horses pulling this coach like to remind him of that anytime he makes or is on the verge of making headway on anything.
re: the role of Adelson mentioned by several posters above, yes that makes sense but not just because he was a big contributor which may be a factor, but because Trump trusts him.
re: Tucker Carlson, I think the Antifa attacks on his home was a DS message and he got it. In the interview distanced himself from Trump and given his influential role with conservative viewers that means a lot.
To his credit he labeled Antifa as a tool/weapon of the elite; that may have been a message to Trump re his cooled support in the interview.
We live in interesting times as the curse goes; I am getting a sense of how people may have felt pre WW2. This time IMO it will not end well for the US.

Posted by: frances | Dec 8 2018 18:07 utc | 111

>What matters is how China puts the pressure on Canada. They need to start making some
> very powerful Canadian figures feel jittery.
>Posted by: BM | Dec 8, 2018 10:03:36 AM | 96

I speculate the banksters holding mortgages on BC properties will be very upset and vocal if Chinese millionaires decide Canada is no longer a safe place for them. The residential property market in much of urban Canada is already near the top - it won't take much more to push it over the edge.

I recall that soon after W Bush became US president there was a mid-air collision between a US spyplane and a Chinese war plane, and a Chinese pilot died. [1] It was obvious in the aftermath that there was an internal struggle between Uncle Sam's war-profiteer elites and his importer elites over whether to have war or trade. At that time the importers prevailed. But now it looks like the war profiteers are on top.

I also recall hearing about a war that started when some Hapsburg VIP got himself killed while visiting a backwater of the empire. The establishment press called the war "Great", but I don't know what is so great about the organized mass murder of millions just because of some dead archduke.


Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 8 2018 18:09 utc | 112

In 2017, the US reported military budget was 610 billion dollars. This was before Trump’s 700 billion defense bill in 2018. In contrast, Russia spends roughly 66 billion a year on defense. No matter what TV talking heads say, it is never a winning strategy to spend over ten times an adversary to remain safe. One of these country’s citizens is getting a better return for every dollar taken from the productive sector. It is not you.

Putin and other rival powers are watching the same strategy that bankrupted the Soviet Union: allow a debt-crippled economy, deeply hampered by crony corporatism, to destroy its currency by creating too much of it to finance foreign adventures. The bureaucrats and military cronies cannot help it: with a decades-long world reserve currency to export the effects of spending, their specialist knowledge blinds them with stupendous tunnel vision. Behold, their glorious strategy: "Putin bad, money grow on tree, my pension nice, me too smart to put skin in game, other people pay for our smart plans, we spend 700 billion and still behind rivals’ nuclear technology, we spend 10 trillion more."

Whatever they are feeding in Foggy Bottom’s farm-to-table cafes does not a Sun Tzu make.

Posted by: mauisurfer | Dec 8 2018 18:22 utc | 113

I have no problem understanding that Trump was deliberately left out of the loop on Dec 1, and that has nothing at all to do with some false consciousness of his actual position. Trumps’s limitations are obvious, but he has also faced the kind of treatment by the permanent bureaucracy that could be expected to be delivered to any unvetted outsider who achieves position in the US. The G-20 was hyped as a major test of Trump’s negotiating prowess, and yet he was completely undermined by his own team. I thought of W Bush being left to look like a complete idiot on 9-11 while Cheney and Rumsfeld ran the show back in DC - a message is being conveyed. This is why the Russians can say the Americans are not agreement capable - how does one know who is actually in charge? Think of foreign affairs under Obama, when the DOD, CIA, and State Dept all had competing policy in Syria.

Canada’s Freeland yesterday made much of her state being a “rule of law country”, and Canada does by international standards have a non-corrupt independent judiciary. The problem in this case is that the extradition process has no back door to account for politicized prosecutions, and the severe pressure and leverage the US has over Canada will hamstring the ability to do the right thing and not allow the Huawei executive to get into the American “justice” system’s clutches. The extradition will be based on whether “bank fraud” is a criminal offence in both countries, which it is. That the actual case involves a technical interpretation of what is or is not a corporate subsidiary will be left to the US courts to sort out, and because a national security context has already been well publicized it seems very clear that if Meng is delivered to the US she will surely be subject to significant jail time no matter what. The actual SkyCom sanction violation amounted to less than $2 million worth of HP computers delivered to an Iranian telcom company, and the “bank fraud” consisted of an assurance that SkyCom was independent of Huawei at the time. It’s a very small and ambiguous infraction, yet US law is such that prosecutors can railroad just about anybody into a life-altering situation. Canada is stuck right in the middle of this, and will face serious consequences from one side or the other no matter what happens - but inseams unavoidable that its “rule of law” ends up delivering the arrestee to the US. The only way to have avoided this situation would have been to somehow get word to Meng ahead of time not to travel to Canada - which obviously was not done.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 8 2018 19:13 utc | 114

@114 jayc... regarding your comment " That the actual case involves a technical interpretation of what is or is not a corporate subsidiary will be left to the US courts to sort out." i am not a lawyer, so i can't comment, but i suspect that this will come up in the canuck examination of this.. it is not bank fraud, but a technical interpretation of what is or is not a corporate subsidiary that all this hinges on... i guess we will have to see how canada processes this..

for fwiw - meng lives in canada and has since 2009 or 2010 as i read recently... i suspect she lives in richmond, which is a suburb of vancouver that has a very large chinese population... she was smart enough to not travel in the usa, but i am surprised that a usa request to extradiate can be processed by air, but not by land, or at her door for example... and, this claim is from 2010, or 2012, which is a hell of a long time in the past for it to be coming up now... why is that??

in the cbc news today - China summons Canadian ambassador over Huawei CFO's arrest in Vancouver

Posted by: james | Dec 8 2018 20:12 utc | 115

james #115 "i suspect that this will come up in the canuck examination of this..."

The Canadian extradition process is limited to determining whether the charge of "bank fraud" is indictable in both Canada and the US, which it is. The procedure does not actually "try" the case, which will be left to the US courts under the presumption they too operate under "the rule of law" (which they don't). An appeals process in Canada will presumably follow, and the defence argument will rest on the fact that she will face something like a kangaroo court in the US, but for Canada's senior justice officials to concur will unleash a massive retaliation with untold adverse effect particularly to the economy and Canada's status within the 5-Eyes group.

Since the indictment was drawn in late August, I am curious whether Dec 1 represented the first opportunity to nab her, or whether it was delayed to a particular time for maximum effect.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 8 2018 20:44 utc | 116

@Jen | Dec 7, 2018 2:34:44 PM | 2

One wonders if Zhang's death had been, ahem, "arranged" [like Frank Olson's death by possible LSD poisoning].

Zhang's death reminds me of the assassination of four of Iran's nuclear physicists a few years ago. Israel was suspected of the deed; though there was no proof, I think they did it. Zhang's death does seem to smell like neocon work.

I think Trump needs to learn what "vendetta" means. He should be concerned because there is no limit to how personal it can get. A way for him and his family to stop the deadly consequences is to fire Bolton as soon as possible.

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 8 2018 20:56 utc | 117

Trump announced today that Kelly will leave at the end of the year.

Will likely be replaced with Nick Ayers, who is currently chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence.

Posted by: b | Dec 8 2018 21:02 utc | 118

WSJ Huawei Offensive Is Acceleration of Yearslong Endeavor
U.S. officials have long sought to hinder the company, seen as a threat to national security and America’s edge in innovation

This month’s arrest of Huawei Technologies Co.’s chief financial officer and heir apparent was the latest salvo in a decadelong effort by U.S. officials to hinder a company they see as a threat to national security and America’s global edge in technological innovation.

China hawks in Congress and the intelligence establishment began thwarting Huawei’s rise around 2007, current and former U.S. officials say. As the Chinese company burgeoned into the world’s biggest manufacturer of cellular-tower hardware and related telecommunications equipment, they expanded the effort into an all-out offensive under President Trump, interpreting his anti-Beijing campaign promises as a green light, the officials say.
U.S. officials say that if they succeed in their campaign to persuade allied countries to reject Huawei, the world would have two kinds of telecom networks. One would exist in Western countries and have no Chinese equipment. The other would be in China and the large swaths of Asia and Africa, where Huawei and Chinese peer ZTE Corp. already control the telecom-equipment market.

This would mirror the two major internet systems in the world today: one that uses mostly Google, Facebook and other Silicon Valley platforms, and the Chinese equivalent, where its citizens, barred from foreign web services, use mainly domestic ones such as Tencent Holding Ltd.’s WeChat network and search-engine giant Baidu.
The U.S. government’s public argument against Huawei has been based on the possibility that Beijing could use the company as Big Brother in foreign countries. Washington hasn’t publicly provided evidence that Huawei has participated in spying or cyberattacks.

Huawei employees say that puts them in a position of having to prove a negative.

The U.S. would of course never influence its companies to spy on foreign entities ...
Privately, Huawei employees point out that the U.S. government had secretly enlisted companies, including wireless providers such as AT&T Inc., to collect data on American citizens.

To that point, U.S. officials say: Would you rather give potential snooping powers to a Western telecom-equipment company or a Chinese one?

Frankly, I prefer the Chinese.

Posted by: b | Dec 8 2018 21:10 utc | 119

reply to:Cyril 117
"I think Trump needs to learn what "vendetta" means. He should be concerned because there is no limit to how personal it can get. A way for him and his family to stop the deadly consequences is to fire Bolton as soon as possible."
I think bringing on Milley may be one way he chose to block deadly consequences. I have often thought that Trump's win and survival is because of Pentagon and NSA support.
As for Bolton, he may be a lightning rod rather than a decision maker, I am not clear on his real role.
As for Trump, he has looked like hell for several weeks beginning with the MSM calls for his son's arrest for talking to Russians. His family is his weakness; I am surprised the DS took this long to go after them in a real way. Maybe they realized that when they personally attack him, he fights back hard.
For what's it worth, I agree with him on Tillerson, the guy was just a figurehead, often happens in/with big cos.

Posted by: frances | Dec 8 2018 21:12 utc | 120

Just a sidenote regarding the thought of some people that huawei products are in any way securing the privacy better than other manufacturers. This is nonsense !
If you want your hardware with any telecommunication features to get certified to be used anywhere around the globe, you have to meet certain protocols and standards wich force your product to have all requirements to be monitored from the outside. Its even written in the technical documentation.
When around the 1990 the 'echelon' spy capabilities made a short apearance in the news and even the european parlament where talking about it, I studied a lot of the technical papers from thise standards and I was surprised by the already implemented placeholders for sensor data and more (think Cameras,Microphones,etc) which should be monitored over the networks.
Edward Snowden, in that regard, is knowingly or not, more limited hangout than anything. Because the main backdoors are hard wired in the hardware. For example the wifi/lan chips wich manufacturers mostly buy as 'black boxes' and integrate in their device without bothering the details .
The second layer on top of this, and wich snowden et al talk mostly about, is the software. Do Huawei use a own operating system other than android in their mobile products ? Do their hardware routers use other protocols and communication standards as lets say cisco ? They don't and can't.
So if there is any truth in the nsa having problems spying on their chinese 'partners in crime', its only about the encryption of certain message content not that there is problem for them getting the content !
If you really want to secure your communication invent a language only you and your communication partner knows or use paper and pencil transfer the message via trustworthy messanger 8)

Posted by: youss | Dec 8 2018 21:37 utc | 121

It took Norway six years to restore relations with China to a semblance of normality after Norway gave the Nobel prize to a Chinese dissenter. Present Canadian opinion seems to be similar to the initial Norwegian reaction: this will be a minor bump in the road; at most a couple months bilateral relations in the "deep freeze"; the Chinese do not understand how our government works; we have the moral high ground; etc.
You should reckon on being made an example of.

Posted by: passerby | Dec 8 2018 21:50 utc | 122

@116 jayc.. it is my understanding the indictment was done up longer then from just this past august.. i think it was august 2012! at any rate, thanks for going over the details as you understand them.. we'll have to wait and see how it unfolds...

@117 cyril.. see denks links for more of an eye opener..

@ 119 b.. ditto... i would prefer the russians or chinese spying on me, as opposed to the west...

Posted by: james | Dec 8 2018 21:51 utc | 123

@122 passerby.. canada has the moral ground? that was a joke right?

Posted by: james | Dec 8 2018 21:53 utc | 124

@124 james
A majority of Canadians think Canada morally superior to China. I do not wish to be drawn into an argument whether this is true or not. But I do feel that thinking oneself superior - morally or otherwise - is a mindset which is not helpful when dealing with China.

Posted by: passerby | Dec 8 2018 22:03 utc | 125

@frances | Dec 8, 2018 4:12:57 PM | 120

I think bringing on Milley may be one way he chose to block deadly consequences. I have often thought that Trump's win and survival is because of Pentagon and NSA support.

He has little defense against determined enemies with the resources of a major country. He and his whole family could hide in bunkers, but can he trust the bunkers' staffs? Can he survive the trip to the bunkers? Is the food coming into the bunkers safe to eat? Will he revive the medieval occupation of the food taster?

As you can see, the paranoia has no bounds. If Trump doesn't stop this fast, he and his family will have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their unhappy lives. (And he will be learning the hard way why gangster tactics are so uncommon these days in international relations: they are so personally expensive.)

As for Bolton, he may be a lightning rod rather than a decision maker, I am not clear on his real role.

It doesn't matter whether Bolton is an independent actor. Firing him would be an apology of a sort. Perhaps that would be enough to cause the enemy to relent.

Someone upthread mentioned that the recent actions (killing Zhang, arresting Meng, destroying ASML) are typical of Trump's pressure tactics. I don't know. But I do know that Trump has had to deal with New York (Jewish) organized crime -- and the recent actions are indeed what gangsters tend to do. (That is one reason they tend to have such short lives.) Perhaps Trump was hurt that way, and is lashing out.

As for Trump, he has looked like hell for several weeks beginning with the MSM calls for his son's arrest for talking to Russians.

I think he can see how much a Democratic House can stymie him. I think he is smart enough to realize that he himself was largely responsible for losing the House: his trade war with China -- and their retaliatory boycott of American soybeans -- probably cost him a lot of votes from Midwest farmers. Maybe that was why Pence was whining about Chinese interference in the midterms.

[Trump's] family is his weakness


Posted by: Cyril | Dec 8 2018 22:53 utc | 126

@Denk 107. My point is that the people responsible for his death almost certainly believe by doing that they have put a big spanner in the works. However unforseen consequences that will inevitably arise from this will result in other technological breakthroughs that will accelerate China away in front of the U.S. In other words nasty people doing nasty things have a nasty way of blowing up in their faces.

Posted by: Beibdnn. | Dec 8 2018 23:23 utc | 127

passerby @125--

"... thinking oneself superior - morally or otherwise - is a mindset which is not helpful when dealing with China."

Agree with you 100%. China's government has finally made a statement:

"'China strongly urges the Canadian side to immediately release the detained person, and earnestly protect their lawful, legitimate rights, otherwise Canada must accept full responsibility for the serious consequences caused,' Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng said on Saturday....

"Le said Meng's detainment was a serious breach of her rights, as it 'ignored the law,' was 'unreasonable,' and 'extremely nasty.'"

Canada's Ambassador to China was also summoned, and one can only imagine what he was told. Given the nature of China's anti-corruption laws, I wouldn't be surprised to see some US, Canadian or other Westerners arrested and threatened with the maximum penalty, which is death. The Neocon fools have absolutely no idea what they've unleashed. Hopefully, the Dragon and Bear will destroy them without taking too much of humanity with them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2018 23:39 utc | 128

@125 passerby.. i get what you are saying..

@128 karlof1.. you can read about it in my link @115, or check globe and mail for more vignettes..

Posted by: james | Dec 8 2018 23:45 utc | 129

Good article by Christopher Black calling out Trudeau and the Canadian government

Bit O/T but I see that scientist who recently conducted gene editing on twins to protect against HIV went missing while visiting Hong Kong last week

Posted by: Pft | Dec 9 2018 0:05 utc | 130


Omg! Stop with the poor Trump needs protection crap! Trump's a f...cking Zionist for crisessakes!!! We're the one's at risk! Trump's problems are all ego, greed and lust driven. He needs protection from his own stupidity and depravity. Aside from that he's a typical stark raving mad Zionist lunatic that lies through his teeth and is pleasing his masters.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 9 2018 0:21 utc | 131

Imagine if China cut all exports to Canada. Canadians would have to go to US to buy shoes, toys , many electronics, and clothes. Having such a small population China could absorb the hit (unlike doing the same to US). They could also ban their citizens /companies from owning property in Canada which would hit the real estate market especially in Toronto and Vancouver.

Why do Canadians put up with their governments capitulation to the US in pretty much everything

Posted by: Pft | Dec 9 2018 0:24 utc | 132

@132 "Why do Canadians put up with their governments capitulation to the US in pretty much everything"

Didn't Trudeau the elder say something about being in bed with an elephant.

Posted by: dh | Dec 9 2018 1:01 utc | 133

Global Times editorial published after the bail hearing contends Meng should never have been arrested in the first place, and secondly that she's being mistreated, which ought to be anticipated. One passage portrays the unnamed Outlaw US Empire thusly:

"Canada is a country well-known for emphasizing human rights and the rule of law. How can they do such things that are only done in an uncivilized and barbaric country?"

Here's the meat:

"It does not serve Canada's national interest if it intends to fawn over the US by treating Ms Meng unjustly. If Meng is refused bail and extradited to the US, Canada will get minimal gratitude from the US, but maximum opposition from China. Chinese people will take the issue seriously, and will ask the Chinese government to impose severe sanctions on Canada. Canadian public interest will definitely be impaired if Sino-Canadian relations are put at a risk of major retrogression."

Meng owns two multimillion dollar homes in the Vancouver region and was once a permanent resident. It's highly likely the arrest was timed to occur when it did and not earlier, although that's my supposition. In the CBC article james linked @115, a Canadian executive:

"'If I was a Canadian executive, I'd get the heck out of China by the fastest route possible,' Uclid Inc. President Elmer Kim told a CBC business panel."

The same could be said by Chinese living in Canada, the Outlaw US Empire--indeed, within any 5-Eyes subsidiary. Battle lines are being drawn and its time to divest, return to China and await the War's outcome.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2018 1:19 utc | 134

@134 Not just Canada. Chinese buyers have been pouring into the Pacific Northwest for some time. At least they were until the yuan started losing value. Their kids now attend US universities so I doubt if they'll all suddenly rush back to China.

Posted by: dh | Dec 9 2018 1:39 utc | 135

Once an extradition hearing gets going it is almost impossible to intervene politically. Twenty years ago, the British government wanted nothing more than to put Pinochet on a jet back to Santiago, but they couldn't. The Canadian government's big mistake was to allow the arrest to happen in the first place. An arrest of Donald Rumsfeld almost happened in France some years ago, but some insider leaked word to Rumsfeld's people and his trip to Paris was cancelled. Something similar should have happened here but it didn't, and the relative lightweight or naive nature of Canada's current government has been exposed. Freeland's blabbering of "rule of law" means nothing - Canada will face severe consequence for this error.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 9 2018 2:05 utc | 136

A point I have not seen mentioned is that Canada, like Australia, are still effectively under the umbrella of the UK (aka City of London)

Follow the money. I agree with karlof1 that lines are being drawn and some folks may be caught in the middle of the fractures that seem to be being manufactured. How fast the fractures become chasms, if so, we don't know

I think the West holds the weaker hand in this game of social evolution but they keep holding on to (keeping private) an anti-humanistic aspect of social

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2018 2:11 utc | 137


Still on Mali/....

Turns out fukus has been 'fighting aq' in Mali since 2002, using the wot pretext.

In 2015, a group of 'aq' attacked a Malian hotel, cornered a group of tourists.
There's a big fat juicy group of murikkans,
their Indian buddies and a group of Russian/Chinese railway executives.

Guess what ?

The 'aq' terrorists singled out Russian/Chinese
railway executives for executions. ..
while the great satans and their buddies were left unmolested !


Over at Pakistan,

The murikkans , supposedly have been killing
'TPP terrorists' since 911.

In 2015, a band of TPP terrorists stalked a group of tourists, executed the Chinese amongst get this, to avenge the killing of their bros by murikkans drones !


A TPP cadre, Mohamed Mahsud, was released from GITMO, cuz the murikkans supposedly believed he's wrongly detained.

The first thing he did upon release, was... to kidnap a bunch of Chinese engineers working on the Gawdar proj !

It transpired a few years later,
They had a special unit in GITMO to reprogram reform terrorists into double agent respectable citizens.


Mind you, this is just the tip of an iceberg.

But we already have sufficient condition to apply Ian Fleming's law ...
Once is accident...............

Posted by: denk | Dec 9 2018 3:25 utc | 138

Is there no depth to which mendacious Chinamen will not sink? That seems to be the subtext of horror story the Australian owned (fairfax media)kiwi sunday paper.
Apparently a group of special needs children were given a Chinese battery operated toy as some sort of Kris Kringle act at a party in Christchurch. When the kids played the toy a voice told them a story about some nice bunny rabbits under threat from eagles, dogs and humans who decided that they should all kill themselves rather than tolerate the pain of living.

The toys were 'specially imported' for the function despite "rumours about problems with them at a childrens xmas party in Australia".

yeah right these toys were only given to infants with disabilities by coincidence eh? I don't think so.
As I have said there is a ruction brewing between the current Aotearoa administration and the PRC despite the last Labour government of Aotearoa being the first nation in the world to enter into a 'free trade' agreement with China.

The actions of some Chinese officials has been despicable, but I also have no doubt that stories such as the xmas toy are being undertaken by kiwi intelligence types eager to exploit the situation and turn Aotearoans against China.

I will document some of the dodgy stuff that China's military intelligence has been caught doing on the next open thread if anyone is sufficiently interested. There is no doubt that wealthy Chinese and their mandarin enablers have been doing everything they can do to keep a right wing government in power in Aotearoa but now that they lost and a slightly leftish mob has returned to power there is the type of ill feeling that spooks exploit all around.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 9 2018 3:30 utc | 139


Australia and Canada have mother England and big brother America. When China floated the AIIB, anglosphere Abbott wasn't going to join because big brother and mother weren't. But then Mother England joined, and within hours anglosphere Abbott took oz into it. I think Canada also joined when UK led the way.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Dec 9 2018 4:05 utc | 140

deb 139

* I also have no doubt that stories such as the xmas toy are being undertaken by kiwi intelligence types eager to exploit the situation and turn Aotearoans against China.*

Good thinking.

Matter of fact, the 5lies have been collaborating in a massive smear campaign against Chinese.


When it comes to duplicity, 5lies is definitely the pit, no contest.

Exhibit A

In 1965, MI6/CIA propagated fake news about
an impending Beijing sponsored coup, even fabricated fake 'Chinese supplied arms' as evidence.
Ethnic Chinese were framed as PRC '5th columns'.
This triggered one of the greatest genocide in the 20C, up to 3M were massacred, including almost the entire Chinese community.

Presently Oz is at the forefront of fukus smear campaign on China.

A similar nasty rumor is being spread by the Oz deep state about 'Chinese 5th columns' , the students, the tourists, the citizens, the bussinesmen....

These are supposedly 'sleepers' who'd launch an uprising when the Chinese embassy give the command,. !

If anybody believe this, I've a bridge to sell.
But...5lies citizens have time and again demonstrated ,they seem to have this infinite appetite for koolaids !

Are these @#$%^&! trying to incite another genocide on the Chinese, ?

Already we've been hearing more and more
Chinese being abused/roughened up/beaten in the 5lies lands.

Make no mistake, somebody have been trying their damndest to set the Chinese up to be the pariah of 21C.

By all accounts,
I think they'r succeeding/

Posted by: denk | Dec 9 2018 4:11 utc | 141

Cyril @ 117:

I would not be surprised if Zhang's death had been arranged by the CIA using their 1953 edition of their assassination manual. For all the money lavished on them over the years by the US government, the return on the investment has often been astoundingly woeful. After all, this is the intelligence agency famous for not foreseeing the Iranian Revolution in 1979 or the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Of course, Zhang could have died the same way Michael Hastings died (in a fiery car "crash") if the CIA had, er, certain other capabilities.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 9 2018 4:16 utc | 142

@Debsisdead | Dec 8, 2018 10:30:55 PM | 139

There is no doubt that wealthy Chinese and their mandarin enablers have been doing everything they can do to keep a right wing government in power in Aotearoa but now that they lost and a slightly leftish mob has returned to power there is the type of ill feeling that spooks exploit all around.

Remember that most of the people moving their wealth out of China are doing so because of fear that justice might catch up with them in the country. These are not the nicest guys, to put it mildly.

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 9 2018 4:23 utc | 143

@Jen | Dec 8, 2018 11:16:54 PM | 142

I would not be surprised if Zhang's death had been arranged by the CIA using their 1953 edition of their assassination manual.

Fairness compels me to say that the CIA might be culpable in Zhang's death, not Mossad -- though the CIA and Mossad seem to be working for the same masters these days. Who knows what is going on in the murky realms of spookdom.

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 9 2018 4:35 utc | 144

i agree with many of the comments since i made mine earlier.. canada is essentially fucked, and as a canuck, i am not sure what to do about it.. it seems many fellow canucks, are completely in the dark, or have accepted the info they have been given so thoroughly, that they are unable to ponder an alternative viewpoint... i find this with my sister, and she would be a pretty ordinary canuck as i see it..

the prognosis doesn't look good here forward...

i see caitin johnstone has a new article up and shares the tweet from usa state dept.. remember that chemical attack in allepo nov 24th? welp, guess what.. usa is blaming syria...

like i have been saying for a while.. we are headed for a major war... canada is a small bit player who has followed in the uk and usas game plan all along... it is unfortunate, but as dh points out, we are like a mouse next to an elephant.. you always have to watch where the elephant steps.. actually trudeau senior was the one who coined that one... too bad trudeau jr. is nowhere near as bright or independent..

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2018 6:02 utc | 145

@Debsisdead | Dec 8, 2018 10:30:55 PM | 139

It goes deeper than that. A Chinese migrant who won preselection for a safe National Party (tory) seat was discovered to be an agent of Chinese military intelligence, Election campaigns in Aotearoa are meant to be publicly funded as a way of keeping out corruption but a member of the National Party (who lost government last year and had been their chief fundraiser has just owned to collecting hundreds of thousands of under the table and completely illegal under NZ law of donations from representatives of long established PRC enterprises.
Some of the money did have dodgy provenance sure, but some of it also came from Xi affiliates. Aotearoa is too small to do that much and expect to get away with it - the Labour Party clique of the current coalition government has been slow to castigate anyone as it seems they took a 5 figure (as opposed to the natz 6 & 7 figure) bribes.

It is a mess for sure with the natz collecting cash from gangsters; but some of it has been sourced outta Beijing's political establishment. It is aggravating because kiwis really wanna keep this 'bloke with the fattest wallet wins' nonsense out of their elections. To the point where most kiwis begrudgingly support taxpayer funding of scungy lying pols.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 9 2018 7:55 utc | 146

Some murikkans pass themselves off as Canucks while oversea, cuz Canada is perceived
as a relatively less belligerent member of the 5lies .

Many Chinese, especially the older gen, have fond memory of Dr Norman Bethune, the Canuck who gave his life helping China fight the jp invaders.

Too bad Ottawa manage to blow all this good will in one fell swoop.

Posted by: denk | Dec 9 2018 12:49 utc | 147

Amazing commentary. My only source of "news" is Moonofalabama. It is more than enough!

Posted by: Guerrero | Dec 9 2018 17:42 utc | 148

these kinds of actions always remind me of the Don Pacifico affair.
(seem to remember this incident from my schooldays).

the upshot of this incident was what something that should have an affair between the Greeks and its citizens,
was instead escalated to the International level and led to British PM Lord Palmerston
deciding that the subject in question, ie Don Pacifico, was (as a citizen of Britain and probably various other countries) entitled to protection of British law.

ie British law was extended to cover the rest of the World.
and introduced the World to what is now known as gunboat diplomacy.

US of A is applying the same standards as Lord Palmerston.
that is US law equalled International law.

(or at least it is, until the Rest of the World decides it isnt)

to my mind this is no different from hostage taking
(ask Julian Assange)

ps just wait until the Chinese cotton on to this type of game.

Posted by: chris m |

Posted by: chris m | Dec 9 2018 19:52 utc | 149

@Debsisdead | Dec 9, 2018 2:55:47 AM | 146

It goes deeper than that. A Chinese migrant who won preselection for a safe National Party (tory) seat was discovered to be an agent of Chinese military intelligence, Election campaigns in Aotearoa are meant to be publicly funded as a way of keeping out corruption but a member of the National Party (who lost government last year and had been their chief fundraiser has just owned to collecting hundreds of thousands of under the table and completely illegal under NZ law of donations from representatives of long established PRC enterprises.
Some of the money did have dodgy provenance sure, but some of it also came from Xi affiliates.


How much of what you say is true, and how much is propaganda? I have a hard time imagining why China would even care about a country as tiny as New Zealand (Aotearoa).

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 9 2018 20:46 utc | 150

A dead give-away..... whenever you read "a single vehicle accident....." bet on it being a state run murder.

Posted by: DigitalDementia | Dec 10 2018 0:36 utc | 151

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 9, 2018 3:46:01 PM | 150
Listen you I've been posting here since the day this blog opened before that at the whiskey bar and I don't use propaganda I have no idea what sort of a dummy you are, most likely the standard stupid amerikan who sees every thing in terms of black/white good/bad, who once thought that gang of greedy crooks the kennedy family were the saviours of the world when they were just another mob of nasty grasping liars eager to live off people's desire for a sharing society.
Now you aren 't a dem you question everything but still make the same foolish error of one side good other side bad.

What citations? I didn't bother because I expect people to check themselves but if you need to be spoonfed I went to yandex entered "national mp chinese intelligence" and her are the first results - from around the planet: NB top of the list was wikipedia which I left out for obvious reasons:

I Taught Chinese spies newsroom NZ media

Newsroom Investigation: National MP trained by Chinese spies newsroom NZ media

China-born New Zealand MP probed by spy agency Financial Times a murdoch owned rag which seeks to excuse the spy as he is a tory MP this is typical of established media reaction see also BBC NZ Herald and the rest of the scum.

New Zealand MP Jian Yang denies being a Chinese spy neolib take from the BBC don't say too much in case it cause problems for 'globalism'.

I was going to print the whole stinking lot but I got bored quick anyone interested can do as I do go the Yandex and enter 'national mp chinese intelligence' you will get the same list.
It is sad because when the moscow beijing split occurred in the 1950's, the Aotearoa Communist Party which was large and well supported back then sided with Peking and Mao. Aside from Albania it was the only CP to do so. The sleek union careerists with their made in Moscow suits formed the "Socialist Unity Party" and tried to garner support for USSR but the bulk of old kiwi commies went with PRC. This is one of the reasons why that first free trade agreement between Aotearoa and China was completed. There had been cultural exchanges going on between the two nations since Mao came to power and many old Kiwi lefties were ecstatic that the late 90's early noughties Clarke Labour Government rated China ahead of all other states as a trading partner. They certainly didn't understand the corruption of Xi and his attitude towards his capitalist cronies or the ever helpful Beijing bureaucracy until Xi turned up to sign the treaty and refused to meet with them.
Socialism is dead in PRC. About twenty years or more ago I watched a contemporaneous Chinese soapie which dealt with that very issue. It was a bout a beijing family. Grandad had been a minor General in the PLA whose allegience dated back to the long march. He never got over Deng and was ignored whenever he commented on health service & education closures while his descendants marvelled over a new piece of crappy tech. You cannot conceive this Cyril, that the types who put their hands up to 'lead' and are successful are lying greedheads no matter what culture they spring from, but they are.
But 'cyril' climb back into your cave believe tosh for as long as you daren't stick yer head out and consider reality.

Of course you won't, credulous fools exist to keep scum at the top of the pyramid. You will splutter and offer up weak rationalisation mixed with a heavy dose of whataboutery.

I fought for a socialist society most of my life & endured boring trotskyists who knew everything marx and engels wrote but didn't know a single thing about humans, copped boots in the face from 'law' enforcement, bullets whizzing past sent by amerikan 'advisors' but you who read tosh day in day out know so much more.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 10 2018 1:01 utc | 152

The link below is from Xinhuanet and there is no associated story....

Miss Chinese Vancouver Pageant 2018 held in Canada

I expect that this recent event was a bit strained at times......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 10 2018 3:08 utc | 153

@152 debs.. i was encouraged by peter au a few weeks ago to put cyril on ignore.. i think you might want to do that too..

@153 psychohistorian.. i grew up in vancouver.. there has always been a large chinese presence in the city, but about 20 or so years ago, the chinese from hong kong started coming en masse, due the concern about hong kong transition to being a part of china - can't remember the year that transition happened.. 1997

since then, it just continued on even more to the point that richmond - a suburb of vancouver is a bit like visiting china.. kid you not... this event with meng wanzhuo won't make much of a dent on the surface and i would imagine the beauty pageant thing went off without any bump..

i studied tai chi back in the 70's with a ex pilot from china who had escaped by swimming the channel with his oldest daugther, to get to hong kong and then they came to canada.. i think he came in the 60's, but it might have been before.. truly a great man and teacher...

Posted by: james | Dec 10 2018 5:27 utc | 154

A lot of the drivel, bs, and mind games which The Swamp perpetrates on consumers via the MSM, reminds me of the poem "Sneezles" by A A Milne, about the alarm caused by Christopher Robin's brush with the common cold, which concludes with...

And the look in his eye
Seemed to say to the sky
"Now, how to amuse them today?"

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 10 2018 15:41 utc | 155

fukus has dropped all pretense of legitimacy.
This Meng 'arrest' is a kidnap for ransom pure and simple, perpetrated by the self appointed 'guardian' of the so-called rule based system

This is the result of unfettered capitalism run wild, the fukus regime is nothing but a hired gunslinger for MIC, Big oil, big pharma, Wall street, AIPAC.

When the Brit Oil was nationalised by Iran, they put out a contract to CIA, one regime change later, all was fine, UK got back its oil fields...
shedding lots of blood on the way.
Blood for Oil.

When Oz was having a hard time in the negotiation with Timor Leste over oil rights, the Aussies cried to mama Cheney, a oil man by the way, that they were 'bullied' by tiny Timor.
One phone call from Cheney's office was enough to make the hapless Timorese kaput, Oz got back its 'fair' share.

In the Huawei case, surprise surprise, CISCO is the one pushing the hardest for Huawei exculsion.
Thus 'ex' CIA , Pentagoons often find their way into CISCO payroll, much like ex secretary of offense joining the MIC director board.
In fact, James mad dog Mattis is an active member of the General Dynamics director board.

This is instituionalised corruption in broad daylight,.
They even call this 'transparency,


Posted by: denk | Dec 10 2018 16:08 utc | 156

@Debsisdead | Dec 9, 2018 8:01:41 PM | 152

Listen you I've been posting here since the day this blog opened before that at the whiskey bar

I don't give a damn. You are responsible for what you say.

As I understand it, one of the themes of this site is a total rejection of the lies of Western mainstream media. Accordingly, if I see you spouting propaganda, I will call you on it.

[Long outrage, deleted]

Looks like I hit a nerve.

You cite an article from the BBC as "evidence"? I could laugh myself silly over this one. The same BBC that loudly claimed the Skripals were poisoned by Russian Novichok, which story has been thoroughly exposed as lies -- this BBC is not a propaganda cesspool?

(FT did the same. The Financial Times is another British propaganda outlet.)

Can you explain why China would even care about a country as tiny and as remote as New Zealand (Aotearoa)? Maybe NZ is the global strategic reserve of haka dancers, and China wants to steal them?

If you can't offer a reasonable explanation for why China would care, I will have to treat your accusations of Chinese subversion in NZ as utter propaganda.

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 10 2018 17:06 utc | 157

@denk | Dec 10, 2018 11:08:42 AM | 156

fukus has dropped all pretense of legitimacy.
This Meng 'arrest' is a kidnap for ransom pure and simple, perpetrated by the self appointed 'guardian' of the so-called rule based system

Indeed. The ransom could be more than mere money.

Needless to say, holding people hostage is a gangster act. That the U.S. would stoop to something like this shows how desperate it is for some leverage -- any leverage -- over China.

Posted by: Cyril | Dec 10 2018 17:28 utc | 158

Cyril 117

Bolton is just the court jester, meet the architect of Trump's war on China.
This creep makes Clinton looks like a shy'

*Peter Navarro, the head of Trump’s National Trade Council. But it would be a costly mistake to short sell his influence. He sports some establishment credentials—most notably, a Harvard Ph.D. in economics—but his views are quite radical. He may, in fact, be the loopiest member of Trump’s retinue.*

Posted by: denk | Dec 11 2018 2:12 utc | 159

Dec. 1, 2018: A nighttime fire breaks out at a factory of Holland’s ASML, the world’s leading manufacturer of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography technology.
Actually, the fire was at Prodrive, one of ASML's suppliers (local Dutch news website). According to the police, the fire was so big that the cause will never be known. Arson is not likely they say, but cannot be ruled out either. They have stopped the investigation but might reopen the case if someone steps forward with information.

Some 20 EUV machines have been or are are being delivered this year to other customers, but the Chinese SMIC order is delayed by the fire. With the current trade war, chances are it will never be delivered and China will miss out on the 7nm technology. That will be a huge blow to their chip industry.

Posted by: Joost | Dec 11 2018 7:37 utc | 160

According to an article from Zero Hedge reproduced at Niqnaq, a Canard-ian diplomat has been detained in China. The Chinese aren't responding to Canard-ian demands for an explanation. I'm hoping the Chinese have convened a focus group to brainstorm the idea of dreaming up an excuse as dopey as the ones Canard-ia & US have made up.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 12 2018 4:48 utc | 161

The narrative created by b and many other alt-righters (which he's not I know and alt-righters which is just a euphemism for extreme-righters) is that (darling) Trump is a hostage of his own cabinet.
"Trump did not know about the upcoming arrest but Bolton was informed of it"

For b it's thus inconceivable that Trump could ever be responsible let alone aware of a vile and heinous act as abduction for political or commercial gain.

Adding the NYT part is completely meaningless and an insult to intelligence, imagine the piece would have said:
"While the Justice Department did brief the White House about the impending arrest, Mr. Trump was ALSO told about it. BUT the subject did not come up at the dinner with Mr. Xi.

Mr. Trump’s national security adviser, John R. Bolton, said on NPR that he ALSO knew about the arrest in advance, .."

While the presidency now hides behind some bogus law and his cabal claiming their master knew nothing, the abduction while dining with his competitor would instead have been a declaration of war.

"Bolton and Pompeo have Trump's ear and will manipulate him..." That's preposterous. With that mindset there is nobody who can ever be held accountable for their own actions and claim they were misled, had no choice or didn't act out of free will.

Posted by: xor | Dec 13 2018 22:04 utc | 162

@162 xor... it says in the nyt - which i would certainly not take as gospel, that bolton did not confirm that trump was told about it... in other words, he might have, or he might not have - according to bolton... so, one is left guessing with answers like this...

"John R. Bolton, said on NPR that he knew about the arrest in advance, though he did not confirm that he was told about it before the dinner. Such notifications from the Justice Department “happen with some frequency,” he said, and “we certainly don’t inform the president on every one of them.”

Posted by: james | Dec 14 2018 18:08 utc | 163

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