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December 07, 2018

Neocons Sabotage Trump's Trade Talks - Huawei CFO Taken Hostage To Blackmail China

CNN reports that White House chief of staff John Kelly is expected to resign soon. There have been similar rumors before, but this time the news may actually be true. That is bad for Trump and U.S. policies. Kelly is one a the few counterweights to national security advisor John Bolton. His replacement will likely be whoever Bolton chooses. That will move contFrol over Trump policies further into the hands of the neo-conservatives.

It was Bolton who a week ago intentionally damaged U.S. relations with China.

The U.S. Justice Department arranged for Canada to arrest the chief financial officer of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, over alleged U.S. sanctions violations with regards to Iran. The case is not over the sanction Trump recently imposed, but over an alleged collision with the sanction regime before the nuclear deal with Iran. The details are still unknown.

Meng Wanzhou is a daughter of the founder and main owner of Huawei, Ren Zhengfei, and was groomed to be his successor. The company is extremely well regarded in China. It is one of its jewel pieces and, with 170,000 employees and $100 billion in revenues, an important political actor.

The arrest on December 1 happened while president Trump was negotiating with president Xi of China about trade relations. Trump did not know about the upcoming arrest but Bolton was informed of it:

While the Justice Department did brief the White House about the impending arrest, Mr. Trump was not told about it. And the subject did not come up at the dinner with Mr. Xi.

Mr. Trump’s national security adviser, John R. Bolton, said on NPR that he knew about the arrest in advance, ..

Bolton surely should have informed Trump before his dinner with Xi, in which Bolton took part, but he didn't.


It was a trap. The arrest is a public slap in the face of China and to Xi personally. It will not be left unanswered. Whatever Trump may have agreed upon with Xi is now worthless. John Bolton intentionally sabotaged the talks and the U.S. relations with China.

Huawei is Chinese manufacturer of telecommunication equipment. It is the world leader in 5G wireless technology that will soon replace the wireless networks we know today with much higher data capacities, faster response times and many new features.

After Huawei was founded in 1987 it copied technology from Cisco and other U.S. manufacturers. Today it is a technology power of its own. It is one of the leading inventor in the 5G field and over the last years filed thousands of patents related to it. Its success in the field is genuinely self made:

With 5G, Chinese companies started developing know-how early. Huawei has invested $600 million in 5G research since 2009, according to a company spokesman, and has committed an additional $800 million for this year. The company is testing 5G equipment with European telecom operators including BT, Deutsche Telekom and Vodafone.

As of early 2017, 10 percent of the 1,450 patents essential for 5G networks were in Chinese hands, according to analysts with Jefferies, who wrote that they expected the figure to rise. That number includes intellectual property rights held by Huawei; another Chinese equipment maker, ZTE; and others.

Huawei's share in 5G patents has since risen further. Right now it is the only true 5G supplier that can build a complete network.

The company is still depending on computer chips manufactured in Singapore, Taiwan and the United States. But Huawei and other Chinese companies are now investing in their own chip manufacturing technology. They plan to use the 7 nanometer process which only few other companies in the world provide. Huawei is also investing in qantum computing.

The December 1 arrest of Meng Wanzhou and a number of other incidents on that day gave raise to a number of interesting conspiracy theories in the Chinese web sphere (via Peter Lee, links added):

Red @OmeletteRed - 19:09 utc- 6 Dec 2018

A great explanation of the Huawei Kidnapping, written by a comrade in the Deng Gang Central discord. There may be a lot more than meets the eye in Canada’s shock arrest, at US behest, of Huawei’s CFO and heir apparent Meng Wanzhou (link below).

Chinese sources have assembled the following facts:

  • April 2017: A director of Chinese tech giant Huawei personally escorted famed Shanghai-born physicist Zhang Shoucheng from the latter’s hotel in Shenzhen. Jackson & Wood Professor of Physics at Stanford University, Zhang was in town to attend an IT summit.
  • Sept. 2018: Prof. Zhang receives a European physics award, one of his many honors. His work in quantum physics is expected to revolutionize the global semiconductor industry. Yang Zhenning, the first Chinese scientist to receive the Nobel Physics Prize (1957), had predicted that Zhang would be the next one.
  • Dec. 1, 2018: Prof. Zhang and Meng Wanzhou are expected to attend a dinner in Argentina, where the G20 summit is being held.
  • Dec. 1, 2018: On her way there, Meng is arrested in transit by the Canadian government.
  • Dec. 1, 2018: Prof. Zhang falls to his death from a building in the US, allegedly a suicide. Said to be suffering from depression, he was 55.
  • Dec. 1, 2018: A nighttime fire breaks out at a factory of Holland’s ASML, the world’s leading manufacturer of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography technology. EUV is crucial to the production of the next generation of semi-conductors, which US and Chinese tech firms as well as Korea’s Samsung are competing to be first to bring to market. Leading Chinese semiconductor producer SMIC is known to have ordered EUV technology worth US$120 million from ASML, for scheduled delivery early in 2019. After the fire, ASML announced that it expected delays in shipments of its products, notably early 2019.

Prof. Zhang was also a venture capitalist. He was a founding partner of a Silicon Valley-based fund investing primarily in early-stage technologies. Danhua Capital, also known as Digital Horizon Capital, holds shares in Silicon’s Valley’s start-ups who work on artificial intelligence, cybersecurity, and drones. Danhua is backed by Zhongguancun Development Group, a state-owned entity funded by the Beijing municipal government. The company has come under scrutiny of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) which suspects (pdf) that its purpose is to pilfer critical U.S. know how and to transfer it to China.

Zhang's family says that his death had nothing to do with U.S.-China tensions.

The U.S. spy services and military do not like Huawei. They can no longer easily hack the equipment it sells. Convincing Cisco or some other U.S. company to leave back doors in their equipment is quite simple. One can always threaten the management or board of these companies with some tax investigation or over other shady activities. That is not so easy when the company is hosted in China. It requires the NSA and others to use more expensive efforts to reach their aim:

The National Security Agency breached Huawei servers years ago in an effort to investigate its operations and its ties to Chinese security agencies and the military, and to create back doors so the National Security Agency could roam in networks around the globe wherever Huawei equipment was used.

The U.S. is lobbying various countries not to use Huawei equipment. It claims that the Chinese government could use it for spying. That thought was obviously born when the U.S. spies looked at what they are doing themselves. Australia, New Zealand and Japan already agreed to keep Huawei out. Today the EU tech commissioner Andrus Ansip also warned of using Huawei. Ansip was previously the prime minister of the U.S. protectorate of Estonia. He is known to be a U.S. mole and is not taken too seriously:

Germany, meanwhile, said it opposed excluding any manufacturers from the planned construction of 5G mobile networks.

Meng Wanzhou, the arrested Huawei CFO, will have her bail hearing in Canada today. It is likely that she will fight her extradition to the United States. Staying in full compliance with U.S. sanctions is difficult and Huawei may indeed have not always done so. Then again - U.S. allegations of sanction violations can always be made up from hot air.

They are certainly not the real reason why Meng Wanzhou has come under fire. The White House even admitted such.


Meng Wanzhou was taken hostage to be used as leverage in China trade talks. The 'leverage' could also be used to push Huawei into providing the NSA with back doors to its equipment. This is the policy style of Somali pirates or Saudi clown princes. The ruthlessness of this blackmail operation is breath taking. It is typical of neo-conservative behavior to use such extreme measures. Trump's foreign policy is run by neo-conservatives and they are again, like when they faked intelligence to lay the grounds to invade Iraq, creating huge damage:

Melania was right when she told an interviewer in Africa that her husband is surrounded by enemies within his administration. These are people who either opposed him during the 2016 campaign season or who signed up early in the campaign with an expectation that they could get jobs in a Trump Administration and in both cases understood that a president not accustomed to thinking seriously about other than business hustle could be manipulated or deceived in pursuit of their own agenda rather than his or that of the "deplorables."

These people are the neocon incubi and succubi who seek an even more dominant hegemonic role in the world for the US. They are out and out imperialists of a kind not seen since the time of McKinley and the US-Filipino War.
Bolton, Pompeo, his new helpmate Mary Kissel, dozens and dozens of Obama globalist holdovers, and people who find Trump's boorish ways repulsive, they all are undermining the administration from within and Trump does nothing about it.
Is Trump competent in such matters as tax policy, regulatory reform and trade negotiations? I think he is, but he is allowing the neocons to destroy the possibility of rational political relations in Europe and the Middle East.

... and with China.

William Barr was just nominated as the new Attorney General. He already had that position during the G.W. Bush administration and believes in the 'unitary executive', the dictatorship of executive power. Kelly is leaving. Bolton and Pompeo have Trump's ear and will manipulate him into selecting one of their friends as Kelly's replacement. Secretary of Defense Mattis is the next one to get kicked out. When all of Bolton's selected persons are in place, U.S. foreign policy will become even more radical than it already is.

Taking the CFO of one of China's premier companies hostage to gain control over its technology and as leverage in trade talks is already an extreme measure which will have long term damaging effects on U.S.-China relations. Imagine what else can be done when the little that is left of lawful behavior and decency in U.S. foreign policy gets completely thrown out.

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- I almost starting to feel sorry for D.A.A.D. Trump.
- We have seen in the last years that the US has been (deliberately) ratcheting up tensions in the Far East. And the summit between Trump & Kim Jung Un was a severe threat for that (deliberate) increase of tensions. But the US & european media have told their readers/listener/watchers that China was to blame for the increase of tensions.

Posted by: Willy2 | Dec 7 2018 19:30 utc | 1

The death of Shoucheng Zhang, by falling from a building, supposedly due to depression, reminded me of an incident I had read about years ago, of another scientist's death in 1953 in vaguely similar circumstances. I had forgotten the fellow's name but I remembered the incident had something to do with the CIA and the administration of LSD so I used those two terms along with "fall" and "window" and was able to dig up the details.

In 1953, CIA researcher Frank Olson was administered LSD without his consent by researchers working in the Project MK Ultra program. Olson became severely depressed and resigned from the CIA. He was later found dead, apparently after falling out of a motel building through a window, and his death was ruled a suicide. In the 1970s, his family ordered an autopsy and the autopsy showed that Olson had died from head injury trauma before falling through the window. A CIA agent was found to have been staying at the same motel in a separate room at the time Olson died. The family sued the US government and received $750,000 in compensation and an apology from the CIA.

One wonders if Zhang's death had been, ahem, "arranged" according to that template. The description of Zhang from the Stanford University News website's obituary that B linked to in his post does not sound like a profile of someone who suffered depression on and off.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 7 2018 19:34 utc | 2

This has to be embarrassing as hell to Trump - he should be absolutely furious with Bolton and Pompeo. And all this for violating sanctions on Iran? I feel like on crazy pills.

We live in interesting times.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 7 2018 19:35 utc | 3

- I see - at least - one typo. Kerry should be Kelly.
- The US is becoming more and more a banana republic each day with our "Dear Leader" D.A.A.D. Trump as the president of that banana republic. People are going to miss Obama more and more.

Posted by: Willy2 | Dec 7 2018 19:36 utc | 4

So, if Bolton sabotaged Trump's efforts to do some sort of deal with China, in whose interest is Bolton working.

You'd think that a trade deal with China would be good for the US. Is Bolton working against US interest.

If we accept the Globalist/Nationalist framework, then does this not mean that Bolton is helping the nationalists against US interests.

And what are the implications of that.

Posted by: Richard | Dec 7 2018 19:38 utc | 5

Trump’s rapid departure from Argentina may well have been motivated by receiving the information about the arrest after the well hyped dinner. If that is the case, Bolton should have been fired on the spot. The lack of any statement about this affair from Trump is curious. There may be an element of blackmail at play here too, related to Mueller’s machinations ahead of the G20. A malignancy is loose, no doubt.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 7 2018 19:38 utc | 6

The lady is probably being held incommunicado in the same safe house as the Skripals....

Posted by: Skripals Cat | Dec 7 2018 19:42 utc | 7

Came across this book which gives some excellent background to where we're at today:

There may be a pdf available if you search.

"The game motif is useful as a metaphor for the broader rivalry between nations and economic systems with the rise of imperialism and the pursuit of world power. This game has gone through two major transformations since the days of Russian-British rivalry, with the rise first of Communism and then of Islam as world forces opposing imperialism. The main themes of Postmodern Imperialism: Geopolitics and the Great Games include: • US imperial strategy as an outgrowth of British imperialism, and its transformation following the collapse of the Soviet Union; • the significance of the creation of Israel with respect to the imperial project; • the repositioning of Russia in world politics after the collapse of the Soviet Union; • the emerging role of China and Iran in Eurasia; • the emerging opposition to the US and NATO. This work brings these elements together in historical perspective with an understanding from the Arab/ Muslim world’s point of view, as it is the main focus of all the “Great Games”."

Jay Dyer discusses the book here, its strengths and weaknesses:

Posted by: Richard | Dec 7 2018 19:50 utc | 8

Thank you for this excellent column. Having read this in context with the comments (especially those by Denk and others) previous on this topic, I would ask if anyone can provide a time line of US clandestine negative (and sometimes fatal) actions against high level Chinese engineers and telecoms. Again, the above summary is outstanding.

The terrifying aspect is Bolton, Pompeo - puppets both for shadow power players - have no constraints whatsoever, and obviously operate without any constraint or regard for our severely (cognitively and emotionally) challenged president, as this report makes clear. The timing of this arrest - while Trump and Xi are dining and Sabrina Meng is on her way to the G-20 conference gives a loud message that Trump is serves at the pleasure of his neocon staff - and son in law, the latter being instrumental in the firing of Rex Tillerson, the hiring of Bolton, Pompeo and the impending firing of Gen. Kelly.

Posted by: abierno | Dec 7 2018 19:52 utc | 9

I can't believe that Trump did not know about the detention of Meng Wanzhou before hand.

Trump is a TV actor and he is apprenticing for a higher spot for himself and family is the elite pecking order.

While we might want to give Trump credit for being who he is, the elite that fronted him know exactly what his style and penchants are. Trump is a global front for a different approach to maintaining global hegemony but make no mistake, Trump is not fronting for you nor I

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 7 2018 19:56 utc | 10

From the perspective of China, their most appropriate response in this complicated situation IMO, should be to accelerate their gradual reduction of USTs.

All those articles abt how China will hurt itself if it gradually sells down USTs are nonsense articles placed into the media to throw off attention to what is already happening. Russia and Turkey have alrdy done it on a smaller scale, it's a no-brainer that China can do it also. Why should China finance the US govt to wage war on itself?

If China and other countries gradually stop buying USTs, actual demand will collapse and many other holders will sell or reduce likewise. Mnuchin is fantasizing when he says there will still be strong demand. Any demand will be from the US Treasury buying its own USTs, like a dog licking its own rear quarters.

Arresting US business execs by China is a mistake that would be cheered by Bolton and Navarro. The provocation of arresting Meng is designed by the Trump team to provoke China to arrest US business leaders and thus destroy their direct investment into China.

The enemy of China is not US businesses but rather the neocon dominated US govt. To impact this group, China needs to cut off their drug supply(their financing) thru no longer buying their USTs to finance and enable their massive military spending and financial aggression.

How to do that without crashing the markets n decreasing China's own assets? Sell and reduce USTs gradually. And pretend u r not doing it. Eventually the lack of buying will force the Fed to raise rates or force the US Treasury to buy its own USTs, further debasing the US dollar.

In history, all empires fall this way, they keep on printing or taking out the silver content until their currency gets debased into nothing, and nobody wants it.

Posted by: freetrade | Dec 7 2018 20:11 utc | 11

Looks like Bolton wants war with China. I recall he was hired during the North Korea talks to add a bit of muscle and now Trump is stuck with him whether he likes it or not.

Re. Meng....apparently she faces fraud charges related to the Skycom affair. Of course that is just what we're told. Who knows what kind of pressure she will come under once they get her in the US.

"Meng Wanzhou — the chief financial officer for the Chinese tech giant Huawei — is wanted in the U.S. on allegations of fraud, a bail hearing has been told."

Posted by: dh | Dec 7 2018 20:14 utc | 12

1959, cia disobeyed Pres Eisenhower's ban on further overflights of USSR until after his summit meeting with Khrushchev. Then the U-2 was brought down over USSR and the live pilot captured. The US officially denied it happened.

The USSR cancelled the summit meeting.

At first, Eisenhower claimed to have no knowledge of the operation and was outraged when the truth revealed. UN Ambassador Stevenson made a vehement speech at the UN denying it happened, followed immediately with USSR producing both the plane's wreckage and its pilot.

Then USSR showed the pilot and wreckage was publicly displayed. Pilot F G Powers had safely bailed-out and was put on-trial in Moscow, convicted and then allowed to return to the US.

Mission Accomplished! by the unelected leaders of the US [who were certain their man Nixon would be the next President, followed by quick re-capture of Cuba and then war in Vietnam. Both those operations already directly involved Nixon, who was fully "in" on The Bay of Pigs and, earlier, plans for US "support" of Saigon leaders in "South" Vietnam with whom he established communications during his 1953 visit as Ike's new Vice-President.]

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 7 2018 20:24 utc | 13

b - thanks.. TYPOS - as willy points out - you have kerry, instead of kelly in the first paragraph.. also " It is one its jewel pieces" is missing "of"...

that data on this is more shocking then i realized.. the death of prof zhang - apparent suicide, is bizarre here..

i agree that the usa has been taken over by small minded neo cons that would try to use meng wanzhou as leverage.. the fact bolton knew and trump didn't.. i am not buying that, or bolton is more manipulative then i realized.. they are all that stupid though.. i hope canada doesn't allow this, but under the wuss justin trudeau, i am not holding my breath..

@ 12 dh... wanted for ignoring us sanctions on iran from 2009 to 2014... what the fuck has that to do with canada?? is canada now doing book keeping, and everything else for the usa? the usa can go fuck themselves.. if canada wasn't a 2 bit vassal state, that is what we would tell the usa..

Posted by: james | Dec 7 2018 20:30 utc | 14

The geopolitical consequences are aptly explored. Another matter that should be addressed is whether health harm from ubiquitous microwave and continuous microwave radiation happens. 5g transmitters will be everywhere. We know from the pollution in China - which could easily have been predicted to happen that the Chinese apparently don't care. We know the majority of studies made to look into whether all this microwave radiation is safe are funded by - cell phone companies. For instance, with the often cited Demmark study that found no harm, the original study head was replaced when they didn't like the results his team was getting. Or in many studies - a person using a cell phone once a week is classified as a regular user. A typical way to make clusters disappear by enlarging the pool instead of honest effort to find out the answer. it should be obvious that unlike ionizing radiation, microwave radiation would produce an effect by being continuous. I would guess that certain frequencies are more harmful than others. So even if some are harmful, safe frequencies could be found - but we won't find out until it is too late for many.

Posted by: gepay | Dec 7 2018 20:30 utc | 15

canada caught between china and usa.. beautiful.. and all under the nonindependent and unoriginal wuss trudeau... we deserve it..

Posted by: james | Dec 7 2018 20:31 utc | 16

Flashback Friday

Oh, and what happened to the head of interpol, Meng Hongwei recently???

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 7 2018 20:31 utc | 17

OT, but just to a degree.

Today is Dec.7, a day in 1941 that Pres. Roosevelt aptly called “A Day of Infamy,” as the Japanese military attacked Pearl Harbor.

We now know that the very top echelons of US government first correctly anticipated and then knew precisely when and how the attack would occur.

The 3,000 (+/-) GI’s who were sacrificed were considered “acceptable losses.” (The 3,000 civilians who were sacrificed on 9/11 were also considered “acceptable losses.”)

“Infamy” is an accurate word for US .gov conduct.

(Pls, do not comment to this OT. Wait for the next open thread, if you must.)

Posted by: A. Person | Dec 7 2018 20:46 utc | 18

Trudeau says he knew about the arrest in advance.

Looks like Trump was out of the loop. Trudeau is mainly photo-op material only. This would have been Chrystia Freeland, the Nazi grand-daughter's file.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 7 2018 21:28 utc | 19

Trump stuck with Bolton and Pompeo?? How is he stuck? He can fire their crazy asses any time he chooses.

First it was Trump, the master deal maker who liked to play chess in a multitude of dimensions because he was so fucking smart and he could see how beneficial it would be for the US if he made friends with Putin.

It's blatantly obvious now why he did so much ass-kissing with Putin while consistently insulting his oldest allies. But that's for another thread.

Now, because he's cutting Putin more slack than any other president ever will, Trump has still got to be backed up by this board. Consequently all his bone-head moves have to be the fault of someone else. They can't be Trump's doing because deep down he wants to do the right thing but is stymied by his staff and, of course, the deep state that runs the whole show. Maybe they are also responsible for the inane morning tweets that have sent the markets into free fall several times. They surely must have twisted his arm to impose the tariffs on China that are destroying American farmers.

There's a reckoning coming for Trump. Too bad because he's so fucking innocent.

Posted by: peter | Dec 7 2018 21:29 utc | 20

"Kerry is one a the few counterweights to national security advisor John Bolton."

Kelly, not Kerry.

Posted by: eah | Dec 7 2018 21:34 utc | 21

Trump is actively pushing 'prison reform' -- Barr presided over the Ruby Ridge siege and murders -- Trump is becoming 100% politically tone deaf -- his base will be deserting him in droves.

Posted by: eah | Dec 7 2018 21:39 utc | 22

This Trump being sabotaged thing is getting old. Trump did hire Bolton. If a President continues to hire the wrong people and cant manage his own people, he should go back to selling real estate and hanging out with his pal Epstein. I find the idea Bolton (who attended the meeting with Trump) did not inform Trump about the impending arrest as too incredible to believe. Its precisely the kind of negotiating tactic Trump is known for. Of course he would deny any knowledge since thats part of the strategy and if you want a deal you pretend to believe him, but you know its BS

As I suggested in the othet thread, Huawei arrest is about getting Chinas attention on the need to strengthen IP protection in a new agreement. There is also a backdoor issue but the issue may be Huawei is witholding the locks NSA needs to protect phones/equipment from Chinese snoops, and not protecting the general public as NSA uses these same backdoors on them. If they really were concerned about China snooping on the general public just stop all sales of Huawei product which is readily available for sale on Amazon. Indeed, they could apply sanctions on any Huawei product and enforce it against other countries like they do Iran as these phones/equipment in other countries can communicate with phones and equipment of US citizens.

Intetesting about Zhangs “suicide” and the EUV factory fire. Sounds like a Deep State operation . Trump surely would have been informed about it by his people but his defenders will call it more sabotage if it was ever proven. I think Zhangs suicide will hurt China more than the arrest of Huaweis CFO.

Posted by: Pft | Dec 7 2018 21:40 utc | 23

Avoided a knee-jerk response, did some chores, read some other items, then went looking for English language Chinese reactions, like this one provided by Global Times, which said several different things to different audiences, although toward its bottom we find this:

"The incident shows that the US and some other countries that follow the US didn't abide by the bottom line of international law at all. From now on, we should reduce or cancel important people's visits to the US, Canada and some other countries like the UK, Australia and New Zealand. The warning applies to not only Chinese citizens, but also citizens of any other country.

"Given the extreme risks of the political struggle in the US, Chinese scientists and technological experts in the West, particularly in the UKUSA countries (the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) are advised to make some risk prevention arrangements for their own sake and the sake of their children."

Global Times also published this editorial with its emphasis on the entire affair being an attack on Huawei's competitiveness, although suddenly in the middle it says this:

"Unlike China's State-owned enterprises, Huawei is a genuine private firm. But the severe political discrimination and repulsion from the US reflect an undeniable fact - the political gap between China and the US and a few other Western nations is too wide to bridge."

A bit of a bombshell that seems to contradict what came before and after, which is an exploration of how "the political gap" can be narrowed. This line says:

"Meanwhile, China needs to ease its geopolitical and ideological tensions with the US and the West through expanding its opening-up to the world."

Unfortunately, the Outlaw US Empire has no interest in "eas[ing] its geopolitical and ideological tensions" with China, Russia or any other nation as its unelected helmsmen want everything for themselves a la Monopoly winners, thus rendering Chinese attempts at appeasement vacuous--Real Men want it all; sharing--Win-Win--is for wussies.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2018 22:04 utc | 24

I hope the Canadian Judge delivers a long speech on Habeas Corpus and releases her.

Posted by: Northern Observer | Dec 7 2018 22:06 utc | 25

Most logical response would be China no longer buying selected Canadian produce, chosen to inflict damage to Trudeau votrs. E.g. China no longer buying Canadian soybeans.

Posted by: passerby | Dec 7 2018 22:09 utc | 26

I n Australia - endless media trumpeting the closed door to Chinese telcos from Australia and New Zealand but one has to go out of one's way to discover our neighbor Papua New GUINEA has continued using H

Posted by: ashley albanese | Dec 7 2018 22:29 utc | 27

oops ! the finish is HuaHwei products albeit under U S pressure not to do so .

Posted by: ashley albanese | Dec 7 2018 22:31 utc | 28

1/ "... the rise first of Communism and then of Islam as world forces opposing imperialism."
Has Islam, in fact, been in opposition to imperialism? For the most part, as in India/Pakistan, it has been a very useful imperialist foil against nationalism and socialism. There have been sincere and effective muslim campaigns against imperialism but equally there have been imperialist financed 'islamic' campaigns against enemies of the Empire.

2/ Canada's role in this is shocking. It is all of a piece with the surrender to the USA in the Trade negotiations whereby, inter alia, Canada is not allowed to enter into Trade agreements with 'non-market' economies. The non-market formulation being code for unapproved by Uncle Sam.
No doubt the Nazi Freeland is running this show. In this she is ably seconded by the 'opposition' Tories and the social fascist NDP which is as enthusiastic for war against China as it is for an attack on the Donbas.
I used to be a member of this, once mildly socialist party. I am proud to say that I was expelled.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 7 2018 22:32 utc | 29

Five Eyes Against Huawei

7 DECEMBER 2018,

Washington has asked Ottawa to arrest Meng Wanzhou and to extradite her. … The motive for the war undertaken by Washington against Huawei is deep-rooted and spurious are the justifications.

The heart of the problem is that the Chinese firm uses a system of encryption that prevents the NSA from intercepting its communications. A number of governments and secret services in the non-Western world have begun to equip themselves exclusively with Huawei materials, and are doing so to protect the confidentiality of their communications.

The covers/excuses for this war are theft of intellectual property or in the alternative, trade with Iran and North Korea, and violating rules of competition by benefitting from national subsidies.

The Five Eyes is a system of electronic espionage by Australia, Canada, the United States, New Zealand and the United Kingdom. They have begun to exclude Huawei from their auctions.

Posted by: Rolf | Dec 7 2018 22:38 utc | 30

Those who talk about Trump, Pompeo, Bolton, Kelly, etc. direct our attention to a shell game.

They are all in on the scam.

How better to say it? There is one party: the war party. Trump is a member of TEAM USA. US political maestros dance to the tune of the Deep State/neolibcon.

Fine distinctions between senior US govt officials make me want to tear my hair out. In US govt only whistle-blowers are white knights. Everyone else is engaging in good guy / bad guy bullshit and controlled opposition.

With respect to Foreign Policy, how much real difference is there between Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump? They have all supported MIC, Israel, and expanding the Empire - aka Job #1.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 7 2018 22:46 utc | 31

- Bolton was appointed under pressure from one Sheldon Adelson, who was a (;arge) donor to the Trump campaign. In that regard, it was (nearly) impossible for Trump to fire Bolton.

Posted by: Willy2 | Dec 7 2018 22:46 utc | 32

Jen @2

In terms of Frank Olsen, there is a very good six part documentary series on Netflix called "Wormwood". Most important are the interviews with Olsen's son. His search for the truth took many years (too many years) and he finally uncovered the final levels of deceit. Worth the time.

Posted by: Castellio | Dec 7 2018 22:50 utc | 33

@14 ".. wanted for ignoring us sanctions on iran from 2009 to 2014... what the fuck has that to do with canada?? "

Absolutely nothing james. I suspect they are using that charge, rather than getting into 5G backdoor whatever, to make the extradition process go faster. They don't want it to drag on for years.

Posted by: dh | Dec 7 2018 22:53 utc | 34


Were you expelled during the NDP drive, prior to the last elections, to distance itself from anyone knowledgeable on the Middle East?

Posted by: Castellio | Dec 7 2018 22:54 utc | 35

@32 Right. Bolton works for Adelson probably Pompeo does too. So Trump can't fire their crazy asses any time he chooses.

Posted by: dh | Dec 7 2018 22:56 utc | 36

I remember stumbling upon this story just after flight MH370 went down but never looked into it. Has anybody here looked into the topic? Does it have legs?

Posted by: lili | Dec 7 2018 22:57 utc | 37

What would the consequences be for Canada if Mrs. Meng were to die in Canadian custody?

Posted by: passerby | Dec 7 2018 23:02 utc | 38

Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh also believes in paramount executive power ("unitary executive").

That should've been disqualifying. But the Democrats used dubious salacious allegations to mask the real issues with Kavanaugh.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 7 2018 23:10 utc | 39

Surely it's Bolton who must go. That was an enormous betrayal. The one thing that Trump had going for him was the performance of the stock market. His neocon enemies in the form of Bolton, managed to strike two blows simultaneously; increase conflict with China and tank the market.

Posted by: CDWaller | Dec 7 2018 23:18 utc | 40

I anxiously await news that Lloyd Blankfein has been arrested and will be extradited to Malaysia due to Goldman Sachs' involvement in a $6b theft of Malaysian assets (1MDB), and Lloyd having met with the individual who executed the first step of the fraud back in 2012.

As for Trump not being able to fire Bolton, give me a break. Wimpy Obama was able to stand up to Netanyahoo on occasion.

Posted by: Schmoe | Dec 7 2018 23:26 utc | 41

eah @22

It may be that his base is already deserting him. I note, with some amusement, that Georgia, USA republicans recently complained that whites are starting to vote for democrats.

Posted by: ger | Dec 7 2018 23:28 utc | 42

The conflicted Global Times items I linked to mirrors the competing opinions present within China's ruling committee over which Xi presides. Given the complex nature of the crisis, I don't expect to see a definitive statement from China until Sunday. It doesn't look as if the bail hearing went well, although I haven't scoured media for more info.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2018 23:32 utc | 43

Too many posters letting Trump off the hook here. He’s a brilliant 4D chess master but at the same time he’s also a vulnerable naif who lets neocons, ziofascists and other hostile entities keep hijacking his administration for their own ends? Bit of a problem there. You can’t have it both ways.

Occam’s Razor says the Trump administration’s foreign policy, possibly with Russia as an exception, is run with the full approval of Donald John Trump. He’s no friend of China, remember, and Steve Bannon’s plan to befriend Russia was designed to keep it from partnering with China against the United States.

It’s almost 2019 and like the Obots of 2010 it’s time to accept that your man is a busted flush, a fraud, an American exceptionalist through and through.

Posted by: Daniel | Dec 7 2018 23:32 utc | 44

The “fraud” charge goes back to 2009/10, and concerns an alleged misrepresentation over the relationship between a company called SkyComm and Huawei. The alleged sanction violation by SkyComm had nothing to do with Iran’s nuclear or military programs, and may not have even proceeded beyond a negotiation phase. The alleged “fraud”, or misrepresentation, rests on a technical interpretation of complicated interlocking corporate structures. The prosecutors and the defence will likely both be correct in their presentations, as it is a muddle, but the well has already been poisoned by the now well-publicized accusations that Huawei is a Communist trojan horse. It’s very thin gruel to proceed with such a high profile arrest.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 7 2018 23:37 utc | 45

every year from 2000 on I feel deeply ashamed of our Canadian governments of all brands. look up the north com agreements in 2006.

Posted by: darkhorse | Dec 8 2018 0:00 utc | 46

Littlefinger' puts it all into perspective. The eyes cried.

Posted by: steve | Dec 8 2018 0:21 utc | 47

It was easy to see early on that the door to Trump was through Iran. He appoints those with a hatred or professed hatred for Iran. Iran was used in the arrest of the exec. Whatever deal he was trying to pull with Xi, making life harder for Iran (as will be put to him) will most likely be more important.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Dec 8 2018 0:24 utc | 48

On Friday November 30, Trump's negotiations failed. As usual he just made up a story of success. The stock market soared. According to the OP, the secret arrest and suicide and fire sabotaged the non-existent agreements in Trump's press release, presumably because a then secret arrest was a "public slap in the face." It is one thing to suggest a cause for an effect, but it is generally deemed wise to place the cause *before* the effect. I suggest that China trade talks failed because Trump wants to permanently suppress the Chinese economy and nobody agrees to permanent inferiority in world politics. That's why they have wars, to settle these issues. The arrest of Meng may be about intimidating other countries like Turkey, France, etc. without being so rash as to arrest of *them.* Much safer politically to harass a enemy national instead of supposed allies.

At this point, attributing Trump's failures to be anything but another imperialist chieftain, instead of a populist tribune bravely defying the neoliberals isn't a serious political analysis. It's just deflecting for Trump.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 8 2018 0:54 utc | 49

@Posted by: Rolf | Dec 7, 2018 5:38:42 PM | 30

The heart of the problem is that the Chinese firm uses a system of encryption that prevents the NSA from intercepting its communications. A number of governments and secret services in the non-Western world have begun to equip themselves exclusively with Huawei materials, and are doing so to protect the confidentiality of their communications.

And not only the governments and secret services, Huawei is widely popular all along EU amongst the common working class user ( which means millions and millions of users....) especially because of its advantageous price and great capabilities.... I myself own a Huawei device, my friends own Huaweis....Glad to hear that "Five Eyes" can not spy on us....I am very fidel to marks/services who do not deceive me, but after knowing this new "capability", I am thinking in keeping Huawei as my header mark....Just waiting for them to launch the laptop "Five Eyes" waterproof and I will be throwing this old one to the trash bin....

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 8 2018 1:22 utc | 50

Schmoe @41
I'll buy us drinks at the bar while we both wait for that arrest

Posted by: once and future | Dec 8 2018 1:29 utc | 51

We seem to be edging ever closer to open war with NATO headed to the Black Sea and the USN visiting Peter the Great Bay for the first time in 30 years and open kidnap of foreign nationals, unexpected suicides, rampant lies in the press regarding every significant foreign policy issue... If Trump was really not told then it's possible his end is near. I have heard that one of Pence's staff is going to replace Kelly, perhaps in preparation for a change of commander...

The openness of deceit, subterfuge, and murder...

These were my thoughts after reading this piece. Then I read a little bit about Kelly replacement and see speculation that Trump maybe doesn't trust Pence and should dump him for Nikki Haley in 2020...

A more rabid anti Russian (AKK) to replace Merkel in Germany, Macaroon unsure of himself in the face of growing street protests, Brexit in complete chaos.

I don't recall such times.

Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 8 2018 1:38 utc | 52

Well it seems we have to wait until Monday to see if Meng gets bail or not.

That's a long time for Trump to keep his mouth shut on anything.

Posted by: dh | Dec 8 2018 1:58 utc | 53

Those who presume to know that Trump knew about the arrest, and thus presumably okayed it, or didn't object to it, might consider the possibility that Trump didn't know, was blindsided. I don't presume to know either way, but let's consider the two possibities.

If Trump knew, and didn't object, this would imply that Trump felt that there was advantage to be gained by the arrest, and humiliating the Chinese. What was to be gained from a bitter monkey wrench thrown into the tumultuous trade negotiations with China. This would seem to imply that Trump is not actually interested in reaching a new trade agreement with China.

On the other hand, if Trump didn't know, then what's going on? It would seem to imply a decisive rogue element near at hand, or an overseeing 'deep state' type rogue operation, not necessarily near at hand.

If Trump wasn't told, why not? Who decided not to tell Trump; and who actually decided, at just that sensitive time. dinner with Xi and all, to ask for the bombshell arrest towards extradition?

Since Huawei is now a major rival and growing competitor to other telecom biggies, both financially and in terms of encryption and further research and military and surveillance applications, wouldn't the qui bono compass point in the direction of CIA, NSA, MI6, US Military Intelligence?

Re the 55 year old Zhang's 'suicide', it was someone described as a 'family representative' (was this a family member?) who spoke for the family and who insisted it was suicide.

From Stanford News, Dec. 6, 2018: "Zhang thought that Majorana fermions could be used to construct robust quantum computers unaffected by environmental noise, and in recent months he advocated for the creation of a new center at Stanford devoted to the study of topological physics and quantum information. Zhang was slated to be its first director.

"The center is the culmination of Shoucheng’s life work,” Moler said. “He saw it as his way of supporting the next generation of scientists who would carry on this work." "

"In his personal life, Zhang is remembered as a loving husband and father who cherished quality time with his family. “On our family vacations together, he loved to take us to the most beautiful natural sights on Earth, to share with us stories of ancient history in every region we visited, and to encourage our latest ideas and interests,” his family said in a statement."

And then he jumped out of a building?

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Dec 8 2018 2:01 utc | 54

I wonder how Adelson would react to a Chinese boycott of his casinos in Macau and Singapore? A lot of his wealth has come from Chinese gamblers. Given Adelson's connections to Bolton and Trump, it would seem like an obvious pressure point.

Posted by: Glenn Brown | Dec 8 2018 2:03 utc | 55

@38 lili... denk was discussing this on the open thread yesterday.. see his links @68 / 76 and etc on this page.. no one is discussing this..

@48 peter au.. it certainly appears that way.. funny thing how trump sold himself on a number of topics, but not that one.. meanwhile, i guess the loot from adelson is quite good... stick with me and you don't need any stickin russian oligarch.. what is quite amazing is how blind the average amerikkkan is to all this.. they are still stuck on the mueller investigation which has been running on empty for some time... they would never do an investigation on isreal, or zionists influence on us elections, as it is too friggin' obvious for anyone looking... better to skip that and continue to serve israel.. thus the constant fixation with iran..

Posted by: james | Dec 8 2018 2:29 utc | 56

or russia and china, as the case may be... the top 3 evil countries, according to obama, or was that north korea.. i guess trump will have to revise it.. the usa is pathetic.. canada is not far behind..

Posted by: james | Dec 8 2018 2:30 utc | 57

Trump didn't know b/c the NYTimes said so?
I've got this bridge....
China's response may not be immediate, but it will come.
I'm reminded of the sudden death of Vice Adm. Scott Stearney, commander of the Navy’s 5th Fleet, Persian Gulf, discovered inside his home in Bahrain last weekend, a "suspected suicide."
Iran always gets even.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2018 2:38 utc | 58

To those of us that understand that all/most of the politicians are working for the same team, it should be easy to see the good cop/bad cop dynamic being used here.

If b thinks Trump is a good cop, as he presents him here (yes, b has written that he disagrees with all/most of what Trump does) as do other commenters that post here, I would posit that "they" are being successful in working that meme at this time.

China will not back down and now will play hardball back, but in a globalist sense I expect them to continue to take the high road as the West mires itself further in the muck of its religion of private finance.

Another commenter mentioned the strategy of China dumping its massive amount of US Treasuries. I think we are getting to that moment and the response of the US is to default on whomever is holding its debt...............

and then the war we have been in for some time turns serious.

The problem the elite have is making the public have the fervor to slaughter themselves for the purpose of continuing a society run by and only servicing the elite. I don't understand how they have managed all these centuries but here we are, a bit still in the dark ages of a thousand years ago.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 8 2018 2:41 utc | 59

@55. Very interesting idea. Adelson has made millions with his gambling dens. In some ways it's a bit like what the East India Company did with opium.

Posted by: dh | Dec 8 2018 2:57 utc | 60

Why the rumors that Kelly is out?

AFAICT, rumors that Kelly might be out started after McCain's funeral where he was caught signaling his displeasure of Lindsey Graham's embrace of Huma Aberdine.

The embrace between Hillary's assistant Huma and Republican Lindsey Graham belies a close relationship between Democrats and Republicans that the public is not allowed to be aware of. But what comes next is even more surprising. Gen. Kelly and Matis glare at Graham and Kelly points at his eye as if to say "I saw you!", which makes Lindsey Graham noticeably uneasy.

Trump's Chief of Staff is caught acting as enforcer of secret(s)! But what secret does Matis, Kelly, and Graham share that might be exposed by Huma's embrace of Graham? And why is THAT SECRET so important that any transgression brings such rebuke? IMHO it could only be this: that the Clinton - Trump feud is all faked. The 2016 Presidential election was a complete set-up. Trump is actually a Clinton protege.

Are the rumors that Kelly is out an attempt to counter what has been inadvertently revealed? Are rumors enough - or will Kelly actually have to go? We shall see.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 8 2018 3:11 utc | 61

I think we can assume that the arrest was not an unwelcome surprise for Trump, or he would have reversed it. He knew, and accepts it. It's total asymmetric war on China.

The arrest was on December 1.

Trump twitter, Dec 7
China talks are going very well! here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2018 3:14 utc | 62

Does the fact that Huawei recently passed Apple for the number 2 phone sales have anything to do with this

Posted by: Anunnaki | Dec 8 2018 3:21 utc | 63

This is a 100% neocon clusterfuck.
It is vital to the success of Trump's Drain The Swamp strategy that The Swampers be given every opportunity to put their anti-US influence on public display. At least now we know which weirdos are responsible for the US policy of "Let's do SOMETHING, even it it's stupid."

I've been scouring the 'News' and the www for evidence that China agreed to uphold US sanctions on Iran to an extent that would invite the US to punish China for disregarding US whims. No luck, so far.

What makes this story entertaining is that the US has not only surrendered its lead in Military Tech, from the Good Old Days, but Computer and Communications Tech too.
You have to be pretty desperate to admit a blunder of that magnitude, albeit obliquely, as in this case.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 8 2018 3:21 utc | 64

Unlikely that few in Trump's cabinet or Senate Foreign Relations committee could even pass the physics section of a college entrance exam, and have little idea what quantum encryption even is (Chinese published on it first a couple of years ago).

That presumption alone suggests Pompeo Bolton etc are just finger puppets ... which oligarch has all those cia contracts again?

They are in well over their heads. They can't even keep up with the Russians. They will likely get stung by Chinese scorpions without even knowing what hit them!

Posted by: slit | Dec 8 2018 3:24 utc | 65

@63 Indirectly yes. According to Jim Cramer....whose objectivity I am increasingly coming to respect....Apple will lose out because of the arrest.

"Top tech players like Apple, Micron, Intel and Qualcomm are all “worth less today than yesterday,” says the “Mad Money” host."

Posted by: dh | Dec 8 2018 3:28 utc | 66

OT, but current. Interview of Lamar Waldren, Historian, on the REAL H. W. Bush by Thom Hartmann.

Posted by: ben | Dec 8 2018 3:29 utc | 67

I don't think this can be blamed entirely on the neocons, although it is certainly true that their grandees including Bill Kristol agree with the idea. Steve Bannon also wants to overthrow the Chinese Communist Party as does Mike Pence and most of the Democratic Party. It's a very bad situation. If I were Chinese, I'd be enraged. The US is getting away with threatening and lowering the name of China. I'm not a nationalist in the least (rather, a socialist and left communist who rejects borders and nations) but I would still see the US as racist.

Posted by: Blooming Barricade | Dec 8 2018 3:30 utc | 68

Another 'unintended consequence' of the neocon gambit to embarrass Trump by by-passing him, will be renewed interest in something Vlad said in one of Oliver Stone's Putin's Interviews.

In the context of Vlad's feelings about POTUS Trump, Vlad said words to the effect that it's too soon to say. Everyone knows that AmeriKKKa has been run by the Permanent Bureaucracy (not the POTUS).

A lot of people would have been 'too busy' to watch the Putin Interviews but World Leaders, everywhere, would not have been among them. So as of December 1, 2018, that cat is well and truly out of the bag and all eyes, as usual, are on Trump. Again.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 8 2018 3:52 utc | 69

CNN: A judge in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York issued a warrant for Meng's arrest on August 22, it was revealed at the hearing Friday here. She was arrested on December 1.
Meng didn't know about this "issued warrant?" How does this 'system of laws' work, anyhow? Perhaps the warrant issue was classified secret, for US national security?

Actually, I fear, it's a conspiracy of intel agencies, security advisors and courts to conduct domestic and foreign policy. It's a non-elected "government" which elected politicians can't touch. For those that doubt it, check out this important interview with intel whistleblowers Shipp, Binney and Kiriakou which describes Washington corruption is here. (h/t Carlton Meyer)
Politicians can't touch this secret government lest their security clearances be removed.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2018 3:54 utc | 70

In the two-hour interview John Kiriakou points out that the intel agencies have their favorite courts. His delayed case, resurrected by Obama, was heard by a court in eastern Virginia, which had a 98% conviction rate. They got him for a couple years in prison. General Petraeus, however, who did much worse, had his case heard in a court in western Virginia, and he got probation.
It appears that the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York is good for anti-China warrants.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2018 4:03 utc | 71

D B@70 I read that she was aware of the warrant and avoided traveling to the USA because of it as she had been doing to ?"visit her son who was in school here"? but likely thought Canada safe. Wrong.

So China seems fearful to me - detaining the head of INTERPOL for instance and re-educating the Uyghurs en mass, plus the heavy internet censorship. But they cannot disengage from the west economically without risking social upheaval. Nor can the US afford to disengage from China for roughly the same reason (unlike Russia from whom the US gets rocket engines but little else they cannot obtain from other sources).

In a few years time (2, or perhaps 3) both Russia and China will have deployed weapons that can deter anything but a full on nuclear attack, and their military capability will continue to advance. US strategy seems to be to disrupt, slow, and sabotage both to the extent it is able using economic and political weapons and military posturing. I don't believe it can catch up and this creates extra danger - the longer it waits the greater the gap will be - economic and military. Many of the responses seem borderline hysterical to me - not a good thing.

The problem with Iran is (as was with Iraq, Libya, Venezuela, and even Syria) that a country with an independent/non-aligned foreign policy has control of a large quantity of valuable natural resources for which there is a constant and relatively insatiable demand. If they cannot be controlled they they should be destroyed so they cannot pursue their own agenda and ignore the dictates of the west. China and Russia are this problem writ large, and they have nukes and a means of delivery to all corners of the globe...

Posted by: the pessimist | Dec 8 2018 4:48 utc | 72


This is 'eight nations alliance' [1] mark2 no less,

The military encirclement of China is in place,
to be sprung if necessary.

The trade war targets the entire Chinese high tech industry, especially the Made in China 2030 proj.

Huawei is the crown jewel of emerging Chinese high tech, its rise is nothing less than astounding.

In less than 30 years it has displaced CISCO as
the world's no 1 network supplier, presently gunning Samsung for top spot in mobile phone preeminence.

It makes lots of people scare. [2]

They use false pretext to wage wars OF terror ,
now they use false pretext to launch a trade war,
hyping up Huawei's 'security risk'.

But nsa has been 'monitoring' Huawei since 2007, even hacked into its Shenzhen HQ, to look for incriminating evidence of CCP collaboration, it turned out naught.

there'r absolutely No Evidence Huawei Spies on Americans, [3]

Just like the lack of evidence didnt prevent fukus attack on 'terrorist' countries, it sure doesnt stop washington from mounting a frontal assault on Huawei.

Huawei is currently shut out of the 5lies markets plus SK, JP, courtesy of Washington,.
The 'battle' has extended to the Pacifics isles,
where Washington/Oz joint force to arm twist Solomon isle to drop a undersea cable contract with Huawei.
They tried that again with PNG, asking them to renege on their contract with Huawei, but the PNG PM is made of sterner stuff, lecturing fukus on the importance of integrity and law, no less.

When the Meng kidnap news broke, my jaw dropped in amazement, ....They'r really getting really desperate now.

Just when one thought they cant get any lower,
I read about the Zhang 'suicide' here.
'His work in quantum physics is expected to revolutionize the global semiconductor industry.'

Quantum and semiconductor are two of the
hottest tech China is aiming to attain self sufficiency.

He'd be a very high value target for the UsualSuspect. !

My six sense tell me this cant be a suicide,
just like mh370 was no accident, the AF447
'disappearance' with top scientist Xiao Xiang on board...the assassinations of Iraq and Iranian
nuclear physicists.

My six sense never fails, it always turn out vindicated.
its also backed up by science,
Ian Fleming's law of probability practically
precludes the coincidence theorists.
'Once is accident.........'

they took out mh370 for the dozens of Chinese engineers onboard and now this.


Even now, you can find 5lies citizens yapping in various forums about 'putting down China to Protect their RULE BASED system.'


Huawei’s U.S. competitors among those pushing for scrutiny of Chinese tech firm
It was long thought that we were the number-one economy and China just supplied cheap labor,”

Guthrie said. “Now it is clear that China has lot to offer in terms of innovation and Industrial policy and state investment, and now people are scared

Watch out Cisco. Huawei’s coming!

China's Huawei takes aim at Cisco with SDN programmable switch Huawei Technologies is bringing its own "software-defined networking" switch globally in a bid to raise its profile and expand in a market dominated by Cisco.


Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2018 5:12 utc | 73

@ 72 pessimist
Thanks for that info on Meng. She knew about the warrant, shame on her.

"So China seems fearful to me" -- why should China internal affairs threaten you or me. The US, for example, has huge internal issues including the police assassination of African-Americans, homeless people, declining life expectancy, etc

Regarding Russia and China weapons, they already have military weapons which outclass US ones, such as hypersonic (over Mach 5) missiles, which the US has no defense against.

Regarding Iran, the US makes threats but can't do anything because there are tens of thousands of US troops and installations within easy frocket range. Similar in Korea.

The US, opponent of these countries, is hampered by widespread corruption, control by unseen powers, and lack of leadership so failure is customary.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2018 5:14 utc | 74

Many amazing news here. Once I nominated Canada for a more prestigious name, New Trumpland, and now Canada follows Trump underlings even though it may discomfort Trump himself. What a dutiful child has to do when the parents quarrel and order it opposite things? Well, long and painful experience taught the poor tyke who really runs the household.

That is perhaps normal. But the news that floored me was "The embrace between Hillary's assistant Huma and Republican Lindsey Graham". Without prejudice to any groups, I would never guess that the senior United States Senator from South Carolina is a heterosexual.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 8 2018 5:21 utc | 75

After my first post on the door to Trump was through Iran, I started thinking on Trump's main target countries in his election campaign. Iran and China. He has also been strong on protection of so called US intellectual property.
denk's posts that james linked to in the earlier thread that james linked to are worth reading. I think denk may have the right take on this.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Dec 8 2018 5:45 utc | 76

For Bolton to have known of this and not tell his boss is nothing short of a back stab. If I had not told my boss of some impending event that would have serious consequences, I would be thrown out the building rear end first. But Bolton is still with us. And looks like he won’t be going anywhere soon.

Posted by: Jose Garcia | Dec 8 2018 6:47 utc | 77

I don't know how to put this nicely, because a lot of what you wrote is as usual very informative, BUT either you have a blind spot when it comes to Trump or you are deliberately trying to rescue his image with whomever really respects and trusts what you write and you know will hang on your every word. It can't be the former 'cause you're one of the most intelligent here! So what else could it be, if not the latter, what else, because I don't want to believe you're whitewashing?

Thank-you, peter, Daniel, JR and psychohistorian for telling it like it is or I'd start to feel like I entered an alternate universe where black is white!

Psychohistorian, too bad you took the words out of my head: Trump = good cop. Bolton = bad cop and as JR put it so well = SAME TEAM.

However, don't believe me or them, believe Trump himself! Just look at Trump's tweet praising Neocon Pompeo and belittling Tillerson.

Trump's Dumb as a rock tweet

I forget who wrote here they have a bridge for you if you really think Trump didn't know about Meng Wanzhou's arrest. Trump is stupid if he thinks he can insult Xi's intelligence like he does with the the deplorables pretending he's a populist (only he'll never let any of them use his golden toilet; maybe only clean it!).

Xi probably humors Trump's good cop act, but this might be the last time he'll let Trump make a deal while he's sticking a dagger in his back. Trump thinks this good cop act gives him deniability. He doesn't do Kissinger like Kissinger does Kissinger, but he's trying hard to be an expert double-crosser.

He's like a mob boss pretending he didn't order the hit: my guy went off half-cocked; you know how it is? He's always trying to impress the boss. We'll straighten this out...We're reasonable people...

That's why Trump defended MbS with a straight face. Trump lies with a straight face: he told me he's innocent and I believe him...I didn't know about the payment, ask my fixer, 'scuse me, my lawyer, Michael Cohen. Me too, I got a bridge for sale!

Trump is not a baby in baby pants that needs protection from big, bad Neocons. They didn't twist his arm to tear up the Iran deal; impose sanctions, move the Embassy to Jerusalem, triple arms sales to KSA or escalate U.S. presence in Syria.

@55 I too think China going after Adelson, Trump's Zionist financier is a good way to stick it to Trump, but it's not enough. How about scuttling Trump's efforts to de-nuke NK? Trump is planning another summit with Kim. He really wants that Nobel prize! China could also help Iran. China needs to flex some geopolitical muscle now that it's a global powerhouse. Putin can help, now that the U.S. is harassing Russia in the Pacific, Syria and sending destroyer into the Black Sea but I'm having a hard time getting pas the bro-shake with MbS.

Anyway, I want to see how Xi handles Trump's back stab. I don't think Xi will succumb to these dirty tricks the U.S. is playing. He no doubt has cards he can play.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 8 2018 8:03 utc | 78

Jackrabbit @ 31 says:

In US govt only whistle-blowers are white knights

here, three of our most illustrious whistleblowers agree that Trump is indeed battling the deep state. towards the end of the discussion they also affirm the veracity of the official 911 fairy tale. :(

Posted by: john | Dec 8 2018 8:42 utc | 79

Serious question, because I do not know the answer.

The charge isn't that her company violated US sanctions on Iran (that's not illegal under Canadian law, hence not grounds for extradition).

No, the charge is "bank fraud" e.g. she didn't tell banks that her company was violating US sanctions, thereby making them liable when they approved those loans (bank fraud is against Canadian law, obviously).

So my question: if Canada does extradite on that basis THEN what are the odds that the Americans proceed to ignore that claim and straight-out charge her with violating US sanctions?

What implications does that have for future "due process" in Canada? Do they start to refuse to extradite on the basis that the USA tells fibs?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 8 2018 8:42 utc | 80

Thank-you, peter, Daniel, JR and psychohistorian for telling it like it is or I'd start to feel like I entered an alternate universe where black is white!
Posted by: Circe | Dec 8, 2018 3:03:37 AM | 78

Oh, you poor old thing! Which alternate universe did you come from?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 8 2018 9:22 utc | 81

Castellio @ 33: Thanks for the tip about the series on Dr Frank Olson.

Robert Snefjella @ 54: Pls see my comment @ 2 and Castellio's comment.

From a review of "Wormwood" at Village Voice website:

'...Eric Olson sees the MKUltra explanation as a cover-up — a sloppy one, even — of an execution. His father, he believes, had been disturbed by the discovery of evidence of U.S. use of biological weapons in the Korean War, and the agency had seen fit to kill him. He points to “A Study of Assassination,” a nineteen-page CIA manual from 1953, that instructs agents, “The most efficient accident, in simple assassination, is a fall of 75 feet or more onto a hard surface.” ...'

Posted by: Jen | Dec 8 2018 9:43 utc | 82

Some details from yesterday's bail hearing which will continue on Monday.

South China Morning Post - Huawei executive skirted sanctions on Iran, court told
She faces multiple charges, each with a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison, and so is a flight risk, a Canadian lawyer said.

Between 2009 and 2014, Huawei used an unofficial subsidiary, Skycom, to conduct business in Iran, Gibb-Carsley said, telling the court: “This was the crux of the fraud.”

In 2013, Meng “personally represented to banks that Skycom and Huawei were separate” the lawyer said, after the banks became aware that Skycom was doing business in Iran.

An arrest warrant was issued for Meng by a New York judge on August 27, 2018, seeking her to stand trial for fraud. Gibb-Carsley described the U.S. becoming aware last month that Meng would soon be transiting through Canada, on her way from Hong Kong to Mexico.

On November 30, a Canadian judge agreed to a U.S. request that Meng be arrested, and on December 1 she was detained at Vancouver’s airport as she changed planes, said Gibb-Carsley.

There had been doubt over whether Meng’s alleged breach of U.S. and EU sanctions amounted to a Canadian offense, something required for extradition.

But Gibb-Carsley said the alleged efforts to deceive financial institutions about the nature of Huawei’s relationship with Skycom amounted to the Canadian offense of fraud.
Martin, identifying HSBC as the bank in question, also said, “if there is an alleged conspiracy [involving Meng and a financial institution] then I ask rhetorically, why has that company not been charged?”

Posted by: b | Dec 8 2018 10:47 utc | 83

I'm not sure I buy your (b) argument about Trump and Bolton. Surely, if/when he found out about Bolton's shenanigans (behind his back?) he could simply fire Bolton? After all, he's done it enough times already, and on an issue like this, I would have thought Trump should trump Bolton (sorry bout the pun)?

The only alternstive is that Trump is no more than a cardboard cutout of a president, with no more control over US policies than I have!

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 8 2018 10:54 utc | 84

@Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Dec 7, 2018 9:01:08 PM | 54

Since Huawei is now a major rival and growing competitor to other telecom biggies, both financially and in terms of encryption and further research and military and surveillance applications, wouldn't the qui bono compass point in the direction of CIA, NSA, MI6, US Military Intelligence?

You forgot in that list the elephant in the room, Mossad, which, eventhough not oficcially included in the pack "Five Eyes", shares the same foreign policy, the same interests in tech market and security competence, and, added to this, its unorthodox methods of getting rid of unconvenient people....

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 8 2018 13:08 utc | 85

Bernhard, have you read this? Seems like a crib:

Canada Takes A Hostage: Free Meng Wanzhou

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 8 2018 13:46 utc | 86

Was wondering when i'd see a post about this story, thanks mr B. didnt know about the scientist angle, def one of the more intriguing incidents in some time. I wonder why Trump wouldn't fire Bolton for this, surely he can't be that dumb to know he's being used and deceived, this would be a good time to face up to it and do something about it. It's weird

Posted by: EtTuBrute | Dec 8 2018 13:50 utc | 87

Ditto WSWS!

The kidnapping of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou

Posted by: William Bowles | Dec 8 2018 13:58 utc | 88

"There had been doubt over whether Meng’s alleged breach of U.S. and EU sanctions amounted to a Canadian offense, something required for extradition. .."
There is no doubt whatever. As Chris Black points out (see #86link) the US sanctions on Iran were and are illegal. In Canada they have no standing.
This is a straight case of Canadian politicians selling Canadian interests for political favours in Washington.
Corruption of the most flagrant kind.
It does without saying that the US-China trade dispute represents an incredible opportunity for Canada to advance its own interests. Instead this government of moral nullities, deep dyed in the sordid cauldron of bootlicking careerism, compradors and colonials of a kind that would make John A Macdonald blush, are actually selling this Chinese woman rather than offend Bolton and his ilk by pointing out that Canada has a Constitution-introduced by the current Prime minister's putative parent that guarantees her right to defy Washington's imperial diktats.
And what do they earn from the sale? China's enmity and the world's contempt as a cut price Judas among nations.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 8 2018 14:05 utc | 89

Living near Aspen, CO where the elite fly to town in their private jet fleet. I wonder why someone like Meng was flying on commercial airlines?

After my recent trip to the west coast, I understand why those who can afford to charter a private jet.

I guess saving a lil' money was more important than comfort... or security.

Her son is going to school in the U.S.?

Truth is stranger than fiction.

b THANKS! for the excellent blog. Always interesting reading.

Posted by: David Shinn | Dec 8 2018 14:20 utc | 90


Not yours where Trump juice flows!😜😜😜

Posted by: Circe | Dec 8 2018 14:21 utc | 91

Peter Au 76

Dont forget IN 1955, CIA took out another airliner the Kashmir Princes to get at one VIP, premier
Zhou Enlai of PRC..

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2018 14:40 utc | 92

This is Trump's new Joint chief of staff:

2016: Gen. Mark Milley Threatens Russia With War

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 8 2018 14:42 utc | 93

actually, there was some more it, sorry:

Mark Milley: Be Careful About 'War' Talk With Russia

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 8 2018 14:52 utc | 94

David Shinn 90

When they wanna get you, they get you,
whether its airliner, private plane or car.

Remember senator Paul well Stone ?

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2018 14:52 utc | 95

What implications does that have for future "due process" in Canada? Do they start to refuse to extradite on the basis that the USA tells fibs?
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 8, 2018 3:42:58 AM | 80

If so, they would have already stopped extraditions many decades ago. US telling lies is standard. It is US not telling lies that would be anything new. No, the implications of the arrest in the first place are that Canada is not interested in due process.

You forget, this is the New Age - all the curtains have come down, the US openly flouts its lawlessness and brazen dishonesty, shows it has no respect for either domestic of international law nor the domestic law of other countries, no respect for diplomacy, and no respect for the sovereignty of other countries. The only law remaining is that of (US) guns and US blackmail.

I think due process is not in question in Canada with respect to extradition to the US for Meng Wanzhou. Meaning, there is no question of any due process taking place. Signing a peace of paper is very easy. What happens in courtrooms now is just for show, just puppetry. What matters is how China puts the pressure on Canada. They need to start making some very powerful Canadian figures feel jittery.

Wow, it's all happening, isn't it? The behaviour shows how desperate they are. Anything could happen next.

Posted by: BM | Dec 8 2018 15:03 utc | 96

Truth is stranger than fiction.
Posted by: David Shinn | Dec 8, 2018 9:20:39 AM | 90

Too true. So much so that it has to be factored in to anything happening these days. Truth was always stranger than fiction - even thousands of years ago - but as the Empire disintegrates and the elites flounder around in desperation it is true much more so than usual.

Posted by: BM | Dec 8 2018 15:08 utc | 97

What big Canadian corporations are there offshoring in China? There are always plenty of big corruption leads to rapidly expand the investigation of, and interrogations of suspects stepped up ...

Posted by: BM | Dec 8 2018 15:24 utc | 98

@Posted by: Zanon | Dec 8, 2018 9:42:44 AM | 93

Wow, that speech...that angered face and expression...and that menacing tone...this is the nazi who comes after all the masks have fallen....Added to this that "nurse Ratched" at the UN ( go praparing for excalation from "taking names" to gross "electroshocks"... ) and whoever does not see the mark of war coming at galoping pace, as @BM at 96 points out, it is that it is blind and deaf....

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 8 2018 15:37 utc | 99

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 8, 2018 8:08:35 AM | 85

re Mossad (and Israel): Might well have been included; a conspicuously deranged elephant in the room. What is actually going on, who is ultimately responsible for any particular one of modernities very large number of so-called 'suicides' and assassinations and suspicious events and obvious false flags and suspicously convenient deaths, is pretty hard to tell.

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Dec 8 2018 15:42 utc | 100

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