B:
Crap, have you stepped in it.
US troops are NOT to be used for domestic law enforcement.
And the USA is not being invaded. You’ve aligned yourself with rightwing extremists in the USA–many akin to the guy who killed 11 Jews in Pittsburgh. (And yes, he specifically used the word “invaders” in his rants.)
Yep B, you’ve managed a neo-Nazi response to a cartoon which takes the USA to task for on going wars in the Mid-East. And no “neo-Nazi” is not an overstatement.

Posted by: Jay | Nov 5 2018 13:47 utc | 3

Well imo the average person who watched these migrants bloodying the Mexican police and military would definitely think these folks must be stopped. Of course, it isn’t going to end like that as the caravan will split and most will end up sneaking across the border here in Cali or Arizona, as before. The fear of the cartels will ensure that.
I they really wanted to try to make real political points, they would have timed their departure to arrive in force on or before election day. Then bloody images across the tv might sway some voters.
Personally I am looking forward to the 82nd Airborne kicking some ass and taking names. I’m a deplorable and proud of it and I believe that this nation needs to make it crystal clear that the borders mean something.

Posted by: morongobill | Nov 5 2018 13:48 utc | 5

@stj (2) I must ask if English is your native language?
Does a beggar force entry to your house, or is it more acceptable to sneak in?
And the trash talk goes on and on, I withdraw the language question; your (mis)usage is deliberate.
If you wish to castigate, how about US overturning elections (Honduras) in Central America?
Trump is only a symptom.
Bill

Posted by: William Adams | Nov 5 2018 14:06 utc | 7

“It’s not really possible to excuse the pretense that a band of beggars who plan to ask for asylum constitute an invasion.”
I suppose that is what Assad and the Syrian government thought when the CIA death squads started trickling into their country under the pretense that they were refugees from the violence in Libya.
The CIA built lots of death squads in Latin America.
While most of the the “band of beggars” are harmless useful idiots recruited for the optics, there is a very real possibility that the CIA’s death squads from Honduras and possibly Mexico (have to get out now that AMLO is cracking down) are mingling amongst them. Why? Page borrowed from the textbook CIA/State Department manual on regime change:
1) Bring protesters into conflict with authorities.
2) Death squads embedded among the protesters kill both protesters and law enforcement officers.
3) Riots ensue.
5) Complicit corporate mass media winds up the echo chamber forcing the meme that the violence was the authorities’ fault.
6) Profit!
Anywho, it is tough to take serious any accusations of slander against a population that has been heavily brainwashed since birth. As with a pair of bluejeans that have been washed several times per day since they were manufactured, over-laundered minds get limp, floppy and full of holes. Americans’ minds are so frayed from daily reprogramming that they cannot remember what they believed yesterday, much less why they would have believed it.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 5 2018 14:08 utc | 9

One wonders why the NYT is willingly playing into his hands with this.
Because the NYT (and mainstream media in general) have been such psychopathic warmongers for so long that by now they’re really incapable of understanding that there could be any alternative idea or action. In many states they’d meet the legal definition of insanity.
Of course Trump is just as insane. He merely wants to do both/and rather than either/or, as the NYT would have it.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 5 2018 14:30 utc | 11

Posted by: morongobill | Nov 5, 2018 8:48:58 AM | 5
“I’m a deplorable and proud of it and I believe that this nation needs to make it crystal clear that the borders mean something.”
I don’t reckon native americans would agree, particularly since most of those arriving are indigenous to america. amerika the abortion, has never considered the property rights, cultures or ethos of other humans anywhere on this old rock. Not in the ME, Asia or more recently Africa, much less those concerns as they relate to native americans be they those indigenous to the area that comprises amerika or those who are indigenous to other portions of the american continents, so I reckon that using this nonsense now to justify racism is just hypocritical, That it is about as low as it is possible to go. That is compounded to the nth degree when one considers that the failed states which most of the caravan peoples originate from suffered failure because amerika the abortion of a place, deliberately engineered the failures to make amerika’s theft of all resources in latin america, easier and less expensive.
Run along and study exactly how amerika has deliberately destroyed Guatemala and Honduras then come back here and try to justify the attacks on a few hundred thousand of those people fleeing lawlessness and corruption that the amerikan government has caused in your name.
Not that it matters – trump or any of his ilk have no chance of preventing the Latin American influx.
Once again if you study history you will discover that over the millennia numerous other populations have attempted to prevent needs driven migration into what they have arbitrarily decided are ‘their’ lands and have used exactly the same techniques the trump scumbags propose. They inevitably fail. Mass migrations are relentless they cannot be ‘blocked’ the only viable strategy has been to remove the attraction by ensuring economic improvement in the areas that migrants come from.
If amerikans actually want to stop the migration, which is debatable since the rich who control amerika believe increasing the population to be an excellent way to go since they profit from more humans and increased population density, but let’s pretend that ordinary citizens actually have a say in what happens in amerika, then amerikans need to fix that which they f**ked. Central amerikans have endured decades of corrupt amerikan installed ‘governments’ which regarded their primary mission (after trousering all funds in their purview) to be confiscating all land from the people who have lived on it going back at least a few thousand years, then selling that stolen land to amerikan corporations, hedge funds, retirement schemes, AKA any & all of Wall St’s scams.
None of the migr
Everybody in amerika has been aware of this even tho they pretend they are ignorant of their culture’s rapacious thefts it is impossible for anyone with half a brain not to see 2 + 2 = 4.
So quit whining and either assist the new arrivals or, get yer arse into gear & ensure your mendacious leadership sets about making amends for the damage done in your name.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 5 2018 14:37 utc | 13

“Morally flawed”????? Morally flawed like Attila, Temuchin, Pol Pot…
I think this cartoon represents my feelings about HRC in the Oval Office.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/11/this-nyt-cartoon-helps-trump-to-win.html

Posted by: Tom Welsh | Nov 5 2018 14:52 utc | 15

My personal opinion is that @Jay’s posts must be removed. It’s one thing to argue (or not) with the Empire’s narrative promulgated here by @craigsummers, it’s quite another to read the clinically insane schizophrenics who can not grasp the difference between defending borders and domestic law enforcement, between enforcing the rules of entry into a country and a mass murder of 11 people, between following the law as it pertains to crossing the borders of a country and neo-Nazism—an ideology of racial superiority and total physical extermination of people who are not like the others.
@Jay, you are in a state of induced hysteria and psychosis. You are unable to understand what’s real and what’s not. Stop listening to MSM and seek medical help. I’m not being sarcastic or mean, I actually think you are mentally unwell. Seek help.

Posted by: S | Nov 5 2018 14:54 utc | 17

@A. Person:
“The possee commitatus law which prohibited federal troops from engaging in domestic law enforcement has been repealed.”.
Wrong.
Defenders of neo-Nazi behavior in the USA are frequently ignorant of the laws of the land.
Now, if you’d just said the law had been abused by other US presidents, like but not limited to Clinton, you’d be on much firmer ground.
Nor did I say a thing specifically about Israel. But you’ve ascribed comments to me that I’ve not made.

Posted by: Jay | Nov 5 2018 14:59 utc | 19

@erik:
Why? for highlighting neo-Nazi elements to the blog post?
I’m not the party who screamed “invaders” about some poor brown people fleeing violence. But the guy who killed 12 Jews in Pittsburgh did, so did…
And yeah, “invaders”, and the like, was applied to Jews fleeing Nazi Europe in the later 1930s and 1940s.
Please, really, post more defense of neo-Nazism. It so undermines your claims.

Posted by: Jay | Nov 5 2018 15:07 utc | 21

The Pentagon has refused Trump’s order to send troops to the southern border. For the reason Jay mentioned @3and4. Now you want to kick his ass out.
Anyhow, I read it in Sputnick so I’m not sure if it’s fake news or the God’s own truth. But that’s not the only place it’s been reported.
Trump wanted to call it “Operation Faithful Patriot”…cringe worthy or what?
At first the Donald said that if they threw rocks then shoot the motherfuckers. He has since dialed that back to lock them up for ever. Some CoC
Word is that there’s lots of militias heading south to protect the border and their wives and children from the oncoming hordes. These rubes have been waiting for a chance like this forever, a chance to shoot brown people and call it patriotism.

Posted by: peter | Nov 5 2018 15:08 utc | 23

Dems are fucking bonkers with the caravans. It’s as if these fools didn’t know Europe does exist and had the same thing happen, on a far bigger magnitude, or didn’t learn the lesson – as if Brexit, Le Pen, Lega, Orban and others didn’t really exist in their strictly America-centered world.
As a matter of fact, any deliberately illegal entry of anyone into a foreign country represents per se an invasion. it’s just that it’s minimal when it’s a couple of people, and not all invasions are armed gangs of conquistadores ready to loot the gold from the temples, or Mongols on rampage. Not all invasions require military will kill on sight orders, though. Some measure is required.
Now, where Dems are bloody idiots is that only a part of the progressive wing will see the caravans as nice people to be welcome. Part of the uber-capitalist wing will see them as a great opportunity as well, but for very different reasons. The thing is, the inner subconscious of a majority of Westerners will basically have 2 very different interpretations of a vast column of people walking towards their border.
One, which is quite recent, occurs if it’s a large group of unarmed civilians and families from a neighbouring country, fleeing it under direct threat of closeby invading and advancing enemy armies; in this case, the obvious reference in Western psyche, specially European one, will be WW II and the hosts of panicked civilians fleeing before the enemy onslaught.
The other reference from the collective psyche, which obviously is the one that lurks in the mind of most Westerners who saw the vids and pictures of the huge crowds of migrants back in 2015/16 – and which will likely occur for some Americans as well, with the caravans -, is obviously the far older picture of the Barbarian Invasions. The ones ironically called nowadays as “Migration period” by revisionist history in German and Anglo-Saxon areas, for obvious reasons (they didn’t want to tarnish their ancestors by reflecting they were bloody savages that nearly wiped out civilization, by fear that it would reflect badly on them); karmic justice puts them now in a bad spot since they’re quite forced to consider the current wave as mere “migration” and no big deal at all, just like in 406.
Of course, there’s also karmic justice in having the US tear itself apart and being slowly invaded by those whose countries it has wrecked beyond recognition for the last century. But we must be absolutely honest about it. Allowing masses of migrants into the US isn’t about Central Americans deserving a better life in the US, it’s about punishing the US by wrecking it and by pushing it’s ever-polarizing political sides towards civil war.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Nov 5 2018 15:13 utc | 25

applying for asylum does not constitute illegal entry
the USA has ways of dealing with these people that do not require the presence of the US military
the arms is being sent there for symbolic purposes and they know it

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 5 2018 15:41 utc | 27

Cartoons like the above can only help Trump win the midterm elections. One wonders why the NYT is willingly playing into his hands with this.
Probably another case of those with narrow minds surrounding themselves with sycophants, to borrow from a comment in the open thread. The NYT et cabal are getting more and more irrational by the day. It can only end in self-destruction, surely?

Posted by: BM | Nov 5 2018 15:51 utc | 29

There are valid reasons to be against illegal immigration. Labour arbitrage (undocumented labour abuse and wage suppression, etc)

Posted by: PRA | Nov 5 2018 16:00 utc | 31

The USA should use its military to secure the interests of Israel and not the USA. It is the job of the NYT to sell the interests of Israel as legit and those of the USA as illegitimate. The NYT is only protecting its own.

Posted by: Hem Lock | Nov 5 2018 16:17 utc | 33

.. a cartoon is supposed to make fun, be ironical / sarcastic, make ppl sit up, or even on occasion send a hidden message, etc.
The cartoonist Chapatte is Swiss, I even met him once (at some bash signing thing, I don’t know him, though I know a relative of his..)
Afaik, he is solidly on the side of the ‘media’, Dems in the US, Socialists in CH, and loathes Trump, etc. Which explains (… ?):
a) the mistake of ‘enroll’ for ‘enlist’ – one doesn’t enroll in the US army. Typical Swissie mistake, as CH has a conscript army. (Checking now I see the word in the cartoon has been changed to ‘enlist’ .. in 5 mins since I write..)
b) the author ostensibly accepts that US soldiers purpose is to fight evil terrorists in the ME (9/11 Saudi terrorists, head-choppers, Taliban, sand n****** etc.) if that is tongue in cheek, the point is lost
c) finally that Trump is supposedly subverting the Army by sending troops down to the Mexico border..
It is an anti-Trump cartoon, really confused, so not successful.
Other cartoons by him here, some are good, others not-so-much:
https://www.chappatte.com/en/

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 5 2018 16:19 utc | 35

The caravan was organised into a single column so that it looked like the image of the column of refugees used by Nigel Farage to frighten the Brits into voting for Brexit, as they did. A single column is a menace people can react to; individual migrants aren’t. Of course in Farage’s case it was a fake, as they Brexiters claimed 70 million Turks were coming and couldn’t be prevented, but the photo actually showed Syrians whose arrival in Britain was controlled.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 5 2018 16:24 utc | 37

Jay;How about a Civil War?1861-5.Or the Kent St. massacre?

Posted by: dahoit | Nov 5 2018 16:51 utc | 39

In order to effect entry into the U.S. the caravan should conduct a mass conversion to judaism. Not only would the gates be thrown wide open (and the red carpet rolled out), the military would probably be instructed to escort them straight to the White House. They would then be prioritized for any and all social programs (a la: the Jackson-Vanik Amendment).
Win/win for everbody.
At the very least it would be highly entertaining to see the fallout from such a proclamation.

Posted by: pantaraxia | Nov 5 2018 16:56 utc | 41

Who came up with the idea of an immigrant march to the US southern border just before the mid-term elections and who is funding it?
If they are anti-Trump then they must be the stupidest morons in history.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Nov 5 2018 17:03 utc | 43

B.
In answer to your question, IMHO we are witnessing a very choreographed effort at political theater on the part of both establishment R’s and D’s to generate interest in the election. The ultimate point is to divide the country, which from my perspective, as a lefty who lives and thrives among R’s is not that divided as evidenced by the 2016 election. The game is divide and rule.
The elites of the US are very perturbed that Senator Sanders had such a following in the last go around with 75% popularity while both running establishment candidates had negatives ratings greater than their positive ones.
Looking at polling in the US it has been reported that a great majority of people in the country want Single Payer Health Care, including ~50% R’s. Additionally, some 80% of the population agree that climate change is a major issue and want the government to do something about it. This cuts across both parties. Meanwhile, neither party is actively pushing Single Payer, while some Democrats show support, while the establishment is campaigning to save the insurance and pharmaceutical industies’ bonanza of ObamaCare.
IMO we have the makings of a united insurrection on our hands and it is a requirement to keep Americans at war with each other, rather than them realizing they have been fooled by the media and sociopathic politicians.
Also interestingly, the biggest fear people have in the US, according to the following poll is corrupt politicians. How do you campaign against that when you have your fingers in the till?
Additionally, according to this poll the biggest fears other than crooked politicians, are primarily related to the environment. Neither party is attempting to address this issue.
https://blogs.chapman.edu/wilkinson/2018/10/16/americas-top-fears-2018/

Posted by: Michael | Nov 5 2018 17:09 utc | 45

Clueless Joe @ 41, OK about all that, yes, so ..see these ‘caravans’ or more prosaically groups of ppl marching towards some kind of OECD place which has been touted / happening in Europe for about now 3 years or more.. (Merkel acceptance playing a big part.)
The iconography, the biz aspect, etc. are quite well understood. The US having only the one border from the South is behind the times! Of course to keep these ppl marching and looking good on pix takes quite a bit or organisation / money.
Ex.
https://www.herald.ie/news/syrian-refugees-may-be-housed-in-army-barracks-or-schools-31503778.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/refugees-on-the-march-in-hungary-believe-they-will-overcome
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/25/19/2DC4554F00000578-0-image-a-2_1445802727938.jpg

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 5 2018 17:24 utc | 47

What the cartoon says to me is that it is a distraction of major proportions from the issues this election ought to be addressing, and every election going way back to when the oligarchs really took over this country – late in the Clinton presidency would be the time that happened, though we can argue it goes even further back than that.
RT has a good opinion piece today, entitled “It’s not Russia that’s damaging American Democracy – it’s Money” written by Danielle Ryan. I will just quote one segment; the entire article is short but worth reading. A couple of the money-runners are imaged at the top. Oh boy.
“…getting money out of politics and taking back control of their democracy does not seem to be as big a focus as it should be for most Americans. Instead, super-rich elites, aided by the mainstream media, have been massively successful in distracting the population with conveniently constructed narratives…”
This is what it is all about. Our opinions as US citizens do not – do not! – matter.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 5 2018 17:30 utc | 49

Aah…. the woeful state of the Outlaw US Empire’s military, done in by Neoliberal ideology, the tool designed to help Wall Street being destroyed by its machinations. Yesterday, a translated Russian article based upon a Reuters report and the Department of War research paper (Large PDF) it was based upon appeared at The Saker. Instead of writing a separate comment here, what follows is the comment I made there.
“What the Reuters article makes clear but avoids mentioning is the culprit is Neoliberal ideology that resulted in the deindustrialization and financialization of the Outlaw US Empire’s domestic economy all for a Few Dollars More–that such hollowing out was official Washington–and Wall Street–policy starting with Carter in 1978, greatly accelerated by Bush/Reagan during the 1980s, then finished off by Clinton/Bush from 1993-2008. The Defense Department research paper that’s linked is also a hoot as it calls for a level of performance by the procurement and manufacturing systems that’s impossible to accomplish given decades of corruption that’s made the MIC what it is today–a maker of overpriced junk. Read the transcript of the latest Michael Hudson interview to discover Wall Street’s policy goals and compare them to what Trump wants to accomplish via MAGA, where Hudson states banks don’t lend to–help capitalize–industry because not enough profit exists there compared to other opportunities.
So, as with Rome, Greed is Good has done more to hinder the Outlaw US Empire than anything done by the so-called Revisionist Enemies. Combined with Trump’s totally unwise Trade War policy forcing all other nations to abandon US-centric financial institutions and its currency, the specter of the Outlaw US Empire being defeated by its own ideology is rather marvelous, even hilarious, although any levity must be tempered by the Empire’s brutality and its massive crimes against humanity that’ve destroyed millions of innocents.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 5 2018 17:51 utc | 51

I have full confidence the military will turn this into a bloodbath, when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. They’re going to resent these brown people making them stand out in the hot sun getting all sweaty and will make them pay for being uncomfortable. Like any war the first thing the leaders have to do is demonize the enemy so the troops have a bad guy to fight.

Posted by: Arlo | Nov 5 2018 18:06 utc | 53

@jay….in Toronto recently there were held the monk debates. Be it resolved that the future of politics is populist not liberal… amongst the shrillest resistance voices were ones like yours warning of the dire danger that ‘i just want people that attend this debate to know that they may be sitting next to a neo Nazi’… the debate happened as it should…..Torontonian liberal intelligencia voted in majority that a real in the flesh ‘neo-Nazi’ one Steven Bannon had the more convincing argument.
The point is people like you seemingly don’t want a debate on theses issues….. because you overwhelming lose these debates..much easier to claim the opponent is fascist or Nazi while actually acting like a fascist or Nazi might be expected to act.. derail debate vilify opponents protest violently etch etc. The so called right has little to be proud of IMO, yet the left should be disgraced and embarrassed by their recent actions.
Some reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf
Anything at the consent factory would be helpful I’m sure…

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 5 2018 18:17 utc | 55

karlof1 | Nov 5, 2018 12:51:45 PM | 48 says:
“So, as with Rome, Greed is Good has done more to hinder the Outlaw US Empire than anything done by the so-called Revisionist Enemies. Combined with Trump’s totally unwise Trade War policy forcing all other nations to abandon US-centric financial institutions and its currency, the specter of the Outlaw US Empire being defeated by its own ideology is rather marvelous”
The U.S. is indeed collapsing under its own mismanagement, the result of converting its (weak) democracy into a full-fledged oligarchic dictatorship. The only solution is for the U.S. to retrench into a shell in order to re-make itself.
Intentionally or not, Trump’s policies are hastening this retrenchment.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Nov 5 2018 18:19 utc | 57

LMAO. In just a few years from now it will be no borders between states.
Everybody relax and watch…

Posted by: Vitaliy | Nov 5 2018 19:02 utc | 59

Reminds me of the “I didn’t join up to fight for Al Qaeda in Syria” twitter campaign.

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 5 2018 19:08 utc | 61

How did this group of thousands come together to walk to US were Trump has vowed to keep illegals out. People like this would naturally come together if they were catching a ship, or at some sort of aid post refugee camp ect.
After a search on caravan starting point, I found this at the Guardian.
“Who organized the caravan?
In interviews, Honduran members of the group said that they learned about the caravan from Facebook posts, and a report on the local HCH television station, which erroneously suggested that a former congressman and radio host would cover the costs of the journey.
After that, rumours spread quickly, including the mistaken promise that any member would be given asylum in the US. Darwin Ramos, 30, said he was desperate to flee threats from a local drug gang, and when news of the caravan reached his neighbourhood, he seized on it as his best chance to escape.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/24/caravan-migrants-what-is-it-where-from-guatemala-honduras-immigrants-mexico
Uh huh. ‘Somebody’ made mistaken promises.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 5 2018 19:28 utc | 63

Well it would seem the fake left/right paradigm has once again worked its magic……. The distract and divide into fighting factions of partisans still works like a charm.
There’s no right or left people, there’s only top and bottom. Do try to keep up.

Posted by: Orville | Nov 5 2018 19:45 utc | 65

@Posted by: VK | Nov 5, 2018 10:02:39 AM | 19
Not only stiffling industrialization, but also provoking forced displacements of people within the country to stole their lands for the US and local corporations. This has been achieved through the unvaluable help of death-squads whose members and leaders proudly wave, in an astonishing majority of cases, a grade from School of the Americas.
This forced displacements of people have been widely documented by researcing work on the terrain by organizations like Medicos Sin Fronteras through commited expatriates moved by the simple reason of helping unconscious of the shenanigans which take palce at the high rankings of this organizations in supporting US and NATO agenda especially in Syria, which does not at all diminishes their disinterested excellent work.
As a sample, this document, written in Spanish by Mabel González Bustelo for MSF some years ago, but that, sadly, does not mean it stops being actual, since, as Pat Lang has taken the trouble to remind us, “School of the Americas” is still open and US “AID” is still on…, with which this economic “measures” continue to be “promoted and impossed” in Central and Latin America to this very days…Just see what has happened with Bolsonaro and which economic policies he is going to develop…And what happens to those who try to resist…
BANISHED.
FORCED DISPLACEMENT IN COLOMBIA
Translation is mine of this extract from the introduction ( assisted by Google Translator )Worth trying to read it with an online translator, since has no waste. I encourage you to try it…

“The result wants to be an approximation to the forced displacement that links it with historical processes still underway in Colombia, exacerbated in the current circumstances by the neoliberal model and the economic policy that it induces. In this framework, and as a first precision, we must clarify that it is not about displacement “because of violence”, nor due to armed conflict, or at least not primarily. Violence is only the instrument used to induce it. Displacement is used as a weapon of war but above all it is -and has always been in Colombia- a tool of economic accumulation and expansion of the great property. Its reasons are linked to a model of deep exclusion in the property of the land, with the institutional absence in large areas of the territory, with the exploitation of natural resources oriented to external markets and with the use of violence as a tool to achieve sociodemographic and economic recompositions in accordance with requirements of the country’s elites and the world market. The only difference between the current moment and historical process is the expansion of the circuits of capital accumulation and the extension of the geography of the conflict, which “close” the exits and leave the peasants expelled from their lands without alternatives….”

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 5 2018 20:21 utc | 67

@Grieved 45
YES a humanitarian hoax. I can’t figure why they aren’t wearing White Helmets. Could someone donate a thousand as there must be plenty used ones around now. Or maybe there was only ten all that time.
The cartoon was weak as p!ss and only just sufficient to get paid for I guess.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 5 2018 20:56 utc | 69

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pueblo_Sin_Fronteras
“Pueblo Sin Fronteras (en: People without Borders) is an immigration rights group known for organizing several high profile migrant caravans in Mexico and Central America. The organization’s efforts to facilitate immigration and calls for open borders attracted considerable amounts of coverage in the Mexican and American media.”
Pueblo Sin Fronteras website. Zero information there other than the have bases or offices in San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Tijuana in Mexico.
http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/commitees.html
No information on who they are or who funds them. Very much a political organization.
On two caravans like this have occurred, both organized by this shadowy group.
Slow moving lots of press coverage that can last for weeks so long as the peasant suckers stay suckers and don’t pull out. Very much an anti Trump political show put on by whoever funds and controls this Pueblo Sin Fronteras organisation.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 5 2018 21:06 utc | 71

Grieved @49–
Of those ten, only one isn’t a direct result of US federal government policy and the Neoliberal ideology driving it–“People I love dying,” as that’s a natural occurrence. I don’t include “people I love becoming seriously ill” because much of that fear’s driven by lacking the means to pay for remedy which is a result of policy choices. The same can be said of the “Caravan” as it exists as a direct result of Outlaw US Empire Imperialism as practiced since its inception. However, for US politicos and pundits, the blame/cause must always lie elsewhere, for Exceptionalists can never be wrong, even when such causation is as plain as the nose on your face. Unfortunately, the sample size of 1,190 is rather small, but the standings of the top ten since 2016 are useful as is the fact that they’re all being ignored by both Congress and administration–except for healthcare, which is now a campaign issue.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 5 2018 21:11 utc | 73

Don’t play dumb @JohnnyHeald
You already replied to me on that thread. But you ignored the questions (so far).

> Hey Johnny, post a link to your most memorable selfy in a war-torn country!
> Hey Johnny! Where’s your next “survey”? Yemen? Afghanistan? Iran? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia?
> Hey Johnny! How many people do you have on payroll in ME and Africa? By country, please.
> Hey Johnny! Does “the Company” know about your blogging habit?
> Hey Johnny! Do you have a guilty conscience? They say people with a guilty conscience WANT to get caught. Get it off your chest Johnny!
And don’t forget the one above @28:
> What was your personal involvement in getting approvals from ISIS to conduct the Raqqa survey? I bet you’ve got some good stories about that. We’re all ears, Johnny!

=
I’ve got lots more Johnny. But start with those, OK? Really looking forward to your answers.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 5 2018 21:27 utc | 75

Centro Sin Fronteras is the parent group to Pueblo Sin Fronteras.
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/centro-sin-fronteras/
“Elvira Arellano, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, former fugitive from U.S. immigration authorities, and activist for illegal immigrants in the U.S., formed the activist group La Familia Latina Unida (“The United Latin Family”) as an expansion of the Centro Sin Fronteras. [7] La Familia Latina Unida runs Pueblo Sin Fronteras (“People Without Borders”), a group that organizes “migrant caravans” from Mexico and Latin America to cross the U.S. border illegally”
CSF website here https://fluenglish.wordpress.com/about/
Again nothing on who finances them.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 5 2018 21:34 utc | 77

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 5, 2018 4:11:23 PM | 69
“People I love dying,” as that’s a natural occurrence.
You can’t be serious if you’re claiming that austerity policies and the whole phenomenon of requiring people to obtain money in order to obtain basic food, shelter, and medical care don’t kill (I’d say murder) astronomical numbers of people every year. It’s war by other means. Unless you’d also say de jure shooting wars and massacres are also “natural deaths”.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 5 2018 21:41 utc | 79

@ RJPJR no. 26
To clarify what you posted about asylum laws, the various treaties and conventions on asylum that the US is a party to, explicitly state that the asylum seeker need not cross the border at a point of entry. He/she may cross anywhere and subsequently ask for asylum.
For non-asylum seekers crossing without presenting yourself at a border point of entry is a misdemeanor.

Posted by: sleepy | Nov 5 2018 21:53 utc | 81

@ Yeah Right no 74

b claimed (correctly) that this is a situation of “illegal entry by foreigners”.

Nope, it’s not correct. The group is weeks away from the US border. No one has entered illegally or legally and I question how many will make the hundreds of miles trek through Mexico on foot.
If they request asylum, their entry is legal, regardless of whether the asylum claim is subsequently granted or denied (if denied they will be sent back). If they do not request asylum they will not be admitted. Undoubtedly some will successfully sneak across, but I suspect that number will be a small percentage given the spotlight and law enforcement attention that has been generated.

Posted by: sleepy | Nov 5 2018 22:14 utc | 83

@ Russ 75
Thanks for stating that. I agree.

Posted by: WJ | Nov 5 2018 22:33 utc | 85

dh-mtl 80
Thanks.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 5 2018 22:45 utc | 87

The New York Times is right. The US Troops role is to produce trouble for Europe. When Israel bombs Gaza, the Islamist will bomb Europe.
Because Israel has captured the birthstate of Christianity.
Israel has took Europe as a hostage. If Israel makes war to the Arabs, Europe pays the price.
So what is the possible solution for Europe?

Posted by: az | Nov 5 2018 22:51 utc | 89

“This article, published the last time that Pueblo Sin Fronteras was in the headlines, (https://joeforamerica.com/2018/04/whos-really-behind-the-illegal-immigrants-the-migrant-caravan-and-pueblo-sin-fronteras/) links “a group called CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project” a group that has received funding from Soros, to Pueblo Sin Fronteras through a person named ‘Alex Mensing’ who works both for CARA and as “an on-the ground coordinator in Mexico for the Pueblo Sin Fronteras”
This proves nothing. Not to mention the source of this “evidence” was Glen Beck who showed absolutely no supporting evidence of any kind other than some random person who he claims works for the organization.
Even if Soros used them once the fact that their services are for hire to anyone leaves the door open for Trump himself to hire them to fire up his disillusioned base after his total subservience to Israel.

Posted by: Orville | Nov 5 2018 22:58 utc | 91

Posted by: az | Nov 5, 2018 5:59:06 PM | 86
The solution is let the Latin American countries find their own way. One of the worst tools that the United States uses is loans through the World Bank. They are given for “development” projects decided by the Bank’s “experts” in consultation with the multinational corporations (usually United States corporations) that will do the work, with no consultation with the little people on the ground whose lives will be affected by the project.
The loans are at very low interest rates to be repaid over many years, even decades, but then, to be able to loan to other countries and aid their “development”, after two of three years, the Bank sells the loans to private commercial banks to recover its lending capital. These evaluate the borrower, invariably decide that, because it is not a “developed” country, it is at risk, and raise the interest rates to upwards of 25%. The world’s poor countries have paid back their initial borrowings many times over, and it is the ever greater outflow of this capital that keeps them poor.
When things get bad, as in a recession, the countries usually have to borrow more just to keep the payments up to date and avoid heavy penalties. The banks are backed by the private corporat-run dispute settlement courts, whose decisions are enforced by the major capital markets.
Most of this debt is what is termed “odious” under international law, for those forced to repay them were never consulted and — the real damning factor — never benefited from the borrowed money. If it had been put into building clinics and schools, it would still be odious because of the exhorbitant interest rates and the lack of consultation with those expected to repay the loan, but at least the little people would be getting something out of it. As it is, they get land grabs, pollution, death squads etc.

Posted by: RJPJR | Nov 5 2018 23:13 utc | 93

The money.
…A vital part of that expansion has involved money: major donations from some of the nation’s wealthiest liberal foundations, including the Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation of New York, the Open Society Foundations of the financier George Soros, and the Atlantic Philanthropies. Over the past decade those donors have invested more than $300 million in immigrant organizations, including many fighting for a pathway to citizenship for immigrants here illegally….
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/15/us/obama-immigration-policy-changes.html

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 5 2018 23:16 utc | 95

How can people not see this caravan march as the obvious false flag it is to influence the election. The actors are being paid and busses have been mobilized and paid for to move them forward. The right says Soros money might be behind it and they may be right. Surprised the left has not blamed Putin. Which proves my point that the left is actively conspiring with the right the keep them in power. Why wouldnt they care?. As Caitlin Johnstone says, after I said it, they get paid the same no matter what. As part of a 2 party monopoly,with 2 parties the minimum to serve the illusion of a representative Democracy,the oiligarchs will continue to throw money to the loser.
This has been scripted well in advance. Republicans need to maintain both houses for the 2nd stage of Trumps destruction of America (credibility and finance), especially its government and middle class as the elite will be protected from the damage. Democrats are standing on the sidelines rambling about Russia Gate or Khashoggi Gate or mobilizing their forces to support gay marriages and transgender access to bathrooms. And to boot they bring out Hillary and Obama at the last moment to bash Trump to galvanize the rights voters even more. No other purpose for doing so.
To be sure, a Democratic win means nothing except perhaps as a poor proxy for a lack of support for Trump. 40% of their candidates come from the military or intelligence services. They are owned by the oligarchs as much as tbe Republicans. The only difference in the parties is the costumes they wear and the rhetoric the speak
Or perhaps its as simple as not wanting to share responsibility for what is to come as their best shot to win in 2020
Frankly the best outcome would be the decimation of the Democrat Party and its subsequent dissolution. Lets end the farce of a Democracy. One party for all. Hail Trump or whomever he appoints as his successor, or just let the elites vote and announce who they voted for every 4 years. Thats pretty much what the constitution meant for us to be doing anyways. The idea of a Direct vote by all citizens for President and Senate would have horrified them. Seeing the results of elections these past 40 years I have concluded they are right.

Posted by: Pft | Nov 5 2018 23:36 utc | 97

@JohnnyHeald (aka craigsummers)
But you are Johnny Heald. Director of Gallop Intl and Head of ORB Intl. Infamous producer of Iraq and Syrian “surveys”.
This was clear from the our interaction in the thread. I explained it here and here. Then you went silent for a few days.
It’s OK Johnny, we know who you are now. You can talk freely. Since you’re here, give us some insights! (please)

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 5 2018 23:54 utc | 99