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November 18, 2018
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2018-61

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

We were first to point out that the NYT's characterization of an old North Korean missile site as "deception" was pure nonsense. Newsweek, 38north.org, NKNews.org, The Nation and others now also condemned the neo-conned NYT propaganda.

The war let to the loss of Netanyahoo's majority in the Knesset. He is now trying to stall new elections in which he could lose his job.

Trump's Middle East policy is in total disarray. Nothing is working as planned. Netanyahoo will probebaly fall. Saudi Arabia will not make nice with Qatar. There will be no Arab NATO or anti-Iran alliance. MbS is despised but will stay on the job. Yemen is starving. The U.S. is at odds with Turkey over support for the Kurds. Trumps knows and hates this:

The adviser who talks to Trump said: “If the president had his way, he would stay entirely out of the Middle East and all of the problems."

The piece was the first to point out the difference between the Saudi investigation, which put blame on Major General Ahmed al-Asiri, and the names on the U.S. sanction list published at the same time. The Treasury declaration blamed MbS advisor Saud al-Qahtani as mastermind behind the Khashoggi murder, while the Saudis carefully avoided that. We now learn that the person in the U.S. National Security Council who put al-Qahtani on the list was fired:

On Friday evening, Kirsten Fontenrose, the National Security Council official in charge of U.S. policy toward Saudi Arabia, resigned, administration officials said. The circumstances of her departure weren’t clear. But Fontenrose had previously been placed on administrative leave, according to people familiar with the matter.

Fontenrose had played a key role in the administration’s decision about which Saudis to sanction in response to Khashoggi’s killing, these people said.

I suspect that MbS tried, via Trump's son-in-law Kushner, to save al-Qahtani (and himself). Trump clearly wanted to do that, but Fontenrose blew the plan by pushing for al-Qahtani to be sanctioned. The CIA also sabotaged the planned exculpation of MbS by 'leaking' its judgment about MbS' personal responsibility to the press. (WaPo published the CIA conclusion in Arabic, another point the Saudis will hate.) Trump is furious that the CIA (again) sabotaged his policy:

Asked about reports that the CIA had assessed involvement by Mohammed, the president said: “They haven’t assessed anything yet. It’s too early.”

 

Other stuff:

Naked Capitalism with a review of Michael Hudson’s new book, And Forgive Them Their Debts: Lending, Foreclosure, and Redemption from Bronze Age Finance to the Jubilee Year. It digs into the ancient history of debt and forgiveness which is, for obvious reasons, not taught in the neo-liberal 'west':

Nowhere, Hudson shows, is it more evident that we are blinded by a deracinated, by a decontextualized understanding of our history than in our ignorance of the career of Jesus. Hence the title of the book: And Forgive Them Their Debts and the cover illustration of Jesus flogging the moneylenders — the creditors who do not forgive debts — in the Temple. For centuries English-speakers have recited the Lord’s Prayer with the assumption that they were merely asking for the forgiveness of their trespasses, their theological sins: “… and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us….” is the translation presented in the Revised Standard Version of the Bible. What is lost in translation is the fact that Jesus came “to preach the gospel to the poor … to preach the acceptable Year of the Lord”: He came, that is, to proclaim a Jubilee Year, a restoration of deror for debtors: He came to institute a Clean Slate Amnesty (which is what Hebrew דְּרוֹר connotes in this context).

Back in July I wrote that there is no Jewish race or Jewish people. There are only followers of the Jewish religion strewn all over the world. Prof. Shlomo Sand makes a similar point and also debunks some other religious fairytales:

The Twisted Logic of the Jewish ‘Historic Right’ to Israel

Our political culture insists on seeing the Jews as the direct descendants of the ancient Hebrews. But the Jews never existed as a ‘people’ – still less as a nation

The UAE/Saudi alliance stopped their latest attempt to conquer Hodeidah port in Yemen. They try to sell that as a humanitarian step. But the attack was failing when their mercenaries ran into a wall of mines and missile attacks. They took a large number of casualties. Videos: 1, 2.


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Masha is "Putinesque" and You-know-who uses her to control our children's minds, say British neo-cons and Baltic Russophobes. I say #JeSuisMasha and promise to watch her even more.

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Will read Hudson’s book, so thx b for the review. (see also > financial matters, and Grieved at 70.)
Yet, I consider all economics to be a ‘religion’ or prescriptive formulaics to control ppl, not a Science. Economics might find some interest or pertinence if it was lodged under Anthropology -> Social Aspects and studied how people behave.
Psychohistorian 10, Merryman 13, miss lacy 14, snake 56 …others.. are critical of Hudson – OK. My beef:
The no. 1 input into the economy, energy in terms of FF and other is simply taken for granted, ignored, or figured sometimes – only partially – in terms of ‘price’ (dollars, vouchers, see Merryman.) So I’m including Marx as deficient as well – Nature as an all giving backdrop —> No. (Maybe Steve Keen economist is an exception.)
Brexit, again, as an ex. See chart 1 here, posted previously:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/five-charts-show-the-historic-shifts-in-uk-energy-last-year
shows a steady decrease of available energy (=> E) from (say) 2001 / 2005 to today. Fine. To grasp what the impact is on the ground, we must take into account:
– Pop. UK 2005, 60m – in 2017, 66m. (Google.) So E per capita sank more steeply than ‘absolute’
– Primary E does not include electricity, which is made from FF. If more primary E is used to make electricity, the available E again diminishes, because the conversion-storage-transport losses are tremendous
– E returned on E invested. (EROEI) Charts shows an end result, ‘available energy’, how much energy was used to obtain that energy is not included. Afaik nobody has calc. this for the UK. (For sure it is at least summarily figured but can’t be published.)
E is an extremely accurate proxy for GDP, its sagging shows the downturn of economic activity or ‘gains’ in the UK: Brutal, devastating. The loss has not been shared, distributed, a part has been imposed on the helpless > disabled, homeless, children, education, single parents, health care, etc. – at all costs (sic), even risking the specter of revolt, so that the middles can maintain their standard of living, and expectations of similar or better lives for their children, and continue to support the elected Pols/ Monarchy /etc.
The vote for Brexit is an outcome of these losses.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 19 2018 17:02 utc | 101

I’ll leave it for others to respond directly to Shlomo. However, his most important contribution is the attempt to delegitimize Israel – and its use for that reason by (generally) the radical left. The attempt to delegitimize Israel really had its beginnings with resolution 3379 at the UN which compared Israel to apartheid South Africa and which referred to Israel as a “colonial” venture. The resolution was rightly overturned in 1991.
The charge that Zionism is a “form of racism and racial discrimination” is false, and comparing the immigration of Jews to Palestine to colonialism is wrong for a number of reasons.

1. Jerusalem is and was the holiest city in Judaism with a long history of Jewish settlement (Land of Israel). Although Palestinian Arabs far outnumbered the amount of Jews in Palestinian when immigration began in the late 1800s, there were Jews living in Palestine and throughout the Middle East (for thousands of years). Jews did not see themselves as “foreigners”. This is completely different than European settlements in North America, New Zealand, Australia, Canada etc.
2. Europeans were motivated by expansion and trade (economic benefits). Jews were motivated by centuries of anti-Jewish bigotry and pogroms including in Muslim majority countries (Wikipedia):
“……Beginning in late 1895, Herzl wrote Der Judenstaat (The State of the Jews), which was published February 1896 to immediate acclaim and controversy. The book argued that the Jewish people should leave Europe if they wished to…….Only through a Jewish state could they avoid antisemitism, express their culture freely and practice their religion without hindrance.[19]…….”
Anti-Jewish pogroms and racism were common in Eastern Europe especially in Russia where much of the immigration originated. Tens of thousands of Jews were killed in Russia between 1918 and 1922. Jews were long second class citizens under Islamic rule (throughout the greater Middle East). Jews were motivated by creating a homeland for the Jewish people to escape persecution.
3. Jewish people did not claim Palestine in the name of one of the era’s great powers like Britain or France. They did ride the coattails of the great powers to obtain their goal of a homeland through the British Mandate in Palestine, but no immigrant got off the boat and stuck a British flag in the ground claiming it for Britain. The British washed their hands of Palestine in May, 1948. There was no war against Britain to obtain independence (although some clear acts of terrorism from the Jewish underground).
4. Fourth, they didn’t fight or displace the natives like the colonial powers in the various locations around the world. They immigrated peacefully and obtained land mostly by buying from absentee land owners. There were no slaughters of the native population to obtain the land (although there was clearly tension interspersed with some violence). There was no ethnic cleansing prior to the war of Independence.

The attempt to delegitimize Israel whether it’s by criticism of her democracy; the origin of the Jewish people; by calling Zionism a colonial venture and equating it to racism; or by comparing Israel to South Africa has fallen flat for 70 years. The Jewish people endured centuries of antisemitism from Christians and Muslims which motivated Jewish nationalism in the first place. Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian empire at the end of the nineteenth century and beginning of the twentieth century, in particular, motivated mass immigration to Palestine.

Posted by: craigsummers | Nov 19 2018 17:57 utc | 102

An important new book by dissident Canadian lawyer Bruce Clark, who represented Indigenous traditional-sovereigntists, including the Secwepemc warrior/elder ‘Wolverine’ during the 1995 armed standoff at Gustafsen Lake and was subsequently disbarred by the Canadian state.
‘Ongoing Genocide Caused by Judicial Suppression of the ‘Existing’ Aboriginal Rights’ is the book and the URL includes reviews by international lawyer Christopher Black and by MoA poster Prof Roland Chrisjohn.
https://ongoinggenocide.com
“…What Dr Clark presents us with is a point-by-point, document-by-document, decision-by-decision account of how colonial era Canada and modern settler-Canada initially realized the legal difficulties they were in, and then subsequently proceeded to destroy the rule of law, covering its tracks as the transition was made between the era of ‘Indians are His/Her Majesties’ allies’ into ‘Indians are vermin that must be destroyed.’
Today we are left with an enduring historic crime, a cold case that substitutes fantasy history for the truth, that institutionalizes the continued destruction of indigenous forms of life, and where those complicit in this long and shameful history have both been cleansed by the legal erasure and continue to profit from it.
Dr Clark’s new work has achieved the near-impossible: he has peeled back the successive impenetrable layers of this cold case – one which no one in power has wanted revealed – and made it clear not only what happened and how, but when it happened, and who did precisely what. And what is more, in doing this Dr Clark has extended the mens rea [guilty mind] of today’s judiciary and body politic, engaged in the ongoing genocide, right back to the very origins of Canada…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 19 2018 17:57 utc | 103

In February 1920, Winston Churchill wrote an article for the British Illustrated Daily Herald on ‘Zionism versus Bolshevism’ in which he identified Rosa Luxemburg as one of the Jewish revolutionaries involved in a ‘worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation’. Churchill compared ‘international Jews’ like Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Emma Goldman, Bela Kun with ‘national’ and ‘loyal’ Jews who served the nations in which they lived. He wrote that most of the Bolshevik leaders in Russia were Jews and blamed them for Bolshevism.
The extract below covers ‘international Jews’:
” …the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all of them, have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”
Churchill concluded his article by recommending the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, although noting that “[o]f course, Palestine is far too small to accommodate more than a fraction of the Jewish race, nor do the majority of national Jews wish to go there.” He argued that the Jews, persecuted in Russia and eastern and central Europe, should be allowed- and encouraged- to emigrate to Palestine. Zionism, he believed, would weaken Bolshevism, because it was ‘in violent contrast to international communism’.
Source: Rt. Hon. Winston Churchill ‘Bolshevism versus Zionism; a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people’ in Illustrated Daily Herald, 8 February 1920.

Posted by: andy | Nov 19 2018 18:06 utc | 104

John Merryman @54–
Tabula Rasas. An interesting query and an excellent analogy; thanks ever so much!
IMO, there are no more blank slates; only tablets where the previous chalk has faded.
As for imperialism being the primary force behind Eurasian coalescence, IMO its counterpart, corporate-driven globalization, is the stronger force, but it’s not the provenance of just one actor–the Outlaw US Empire and the UK Empire before it–as events are making quite clear. What I see pushing paradigm change results from a synthesis of Hegelian dialectics and Vico’s Cyclical Nature of Historical Development: Humanity’s been here before but with a different context that renders history not an exact duplication. Such is the substance of Hudson’s newest work: What Humanity faces today differs little in its fundamentals from what we’ve faced previously: Creditors in their quest for A Few Dollars More have again generated an immoral situation stunting positive human development by relying on the Rule of Force instead of the Rule of Law; thus, their Champion is the Outlaw US Empire while calling their foes “Revisionist Powers.” We should look at the term Revisionist a bit closer as it tells us the Creditors know they’re immoral and going against all yet cannot slay the Greed Drive that’s the basis for their deviance.
What are Russia, China, Iran, and their allies Revisioning? Proper Human Conduct–Rule of Law–as the primary basis for ALL interactions, which is their Mantra intoned at every international occasion, while calling out the most visible illegal, immoral actions of The Empire and its vassals. What’s most troubling is the past behavior of Creditor (predator) Empires to enforce the Rule of Force via Force regardless of the consequences–Might Makes Right is its Mantra as we read in the Empire’s documents and hear from its mouthpieces. And given the nature of modern weapons and what Greed-driven maldevelopment’s caused, this confrontation differs from those before in that it’s Existential in multiple ways and in its urgency. Defeating the Creditors and placing most finance back under the sovereign control of the demos globally doesn’t solve the crisis caused by the Creditor’s maldevelopment, although it avoids nuclear war. Yet that crisis cannot be solved without first defeating the Creditors as they are the force driving maldevelopment–development that only enriches themselves at the expense of the planet and humanity. Uplifting Humanity, making development Win-Win for both people and planet, while promoting the notion that the Rule of Law is not just mandatory but essential are the policies being driven by the Revisionists. And in that regard, I’m firmly in their camp, which is one of the reasons why I see Hudson’s work so profoundly important at this moment in Human History.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2018 18:07 utc | 105

Blues 79,
Very insightful post. The problem with a direct approach to economic disparity is the degree the system is adapted to defuse and combat such direct threats. From Sunday comics to the police. That’s why I think the effective rebuttal has go into those deeper social and philosophical issues.
You do understand the reason industry was off shored wasn’t just to undercut wages, but necessary for making the dollar the global currency. It took more than just oil to do that.
When the US can no longer issue enough debt, then disaster capitalism will come home to roost and the remaining public assets, from parks to highways, are sold to those holding the treasuries.

Posted by: John Merryman. | Nov 19 2018 18:09 utc | 106

Noirette @102–
Hudson himself has stated his work on the historical nature of debt is fundamentally an anthropological/historical pursuit within which he’s provided an economist’s lens/POV regarding the discussions that led to the initial publication of his group’s findings–please do recall this was a group project spanning 40+ years, not just Hudson’s.
John Gilberts @104–
Thanks for informing us about that publication. It seems an excellent example of how Creditor Forces discovered how the Rule of Law restrained them from maximizing their Greed, and for them to do so had to overturn and replace it with the Rule of Force. Yet another book to add to my In-box to read!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2018 18:22 utc | 107

Noirette @ 102
“”The no. 1 input into the economy, energy in terms of FF and other is simply taken for granted, ignored, or figured sometimes – only partially – in terms of ‘price’ (dollars, vouchers, see Merryman.) So I’m including Marx as deficient as well – Nature as an all giving backdrop —> No.””
Yes indeed. We have not been using water, air, forests etc as the precious resources (public resources) that they are.
Joseph Stiglitz wrote a very good book Freefall in 2010. One of the first books to deal with the financial crisis.
“Economics is a social science. I soon realized that my colleagues were irrationally committed to the assumption of rationality. Robert Putnam has emphasized the importance of our connectedness with others.””
“”It has become a cliche to observe that the Chinese characters for crisis reflect “danger” and “opportunity”. We have seen the danger. The question is, Will we seize the opportunity to restore our sense of balance between the market and the state, between individualism and the community, between man and nature, between means and ends?
We now have the opportunity to create a new financial system that will do what human beings need a financial system to do; to create a new economic system that will create meaningful jobs, decent work for all who want it, one in which the divide between the haves and have-nots is narrowing, rather than widening, and, most importantly of all, to create a new society in which each individual is able to fulfill his aspirations and live up to his potential, in which we have created citizens who live up to shared ideals and values, in which we have created a community that treats our planet with the respect that in the long run it will surely demand. These are the opportunities. The real danger now is that we will not seize them.””

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 19 2018 18:34 utc | 108

@52 Pft sez:

Problem with Hudsons book is it cost 30 bucks (not including international shipping) for 336 pages of paperback and is already out of stock and NOT available on kindle. Not going to be widely read I don’t think unless something changes.

His books, with the exception of this newest one, are all available for free at Library Genesis in epub and pdf formats.
http://libgen.io/search.php?&req=Michael+Hudson&phrase=1&view=simple&column=author&sort=def&sortmode=ASC&page=2
The Jesus thing doesn’t really resonate with me but J Is for Junk Economics and Killing the Host are both great reads.

Posted by: Daniel | Nov 19 2018 19:29 utc | 109

Thank you for mentioning Dr Hudson. I always find his analyses to be interesting, especially the idea that a banking crisis is “a break in the chain of payments”. I’d be real interested in his explanation of inflation, especially the big US inflation of the 1970s and 1980s. Supposedly it was cured with massive interest rate hikes imposed by the “Federal” Reserve private banking cartel.
When I am thinking about economics I find it useful to strip away all the abstractions like accounting statements and currency. What remains is the very real life-and-death struggle of who gets access to resources and who controls that access. A person sleeping rough isn’t a mentally ill drug addict or even a person with a low-wage job – they are simply a person who has been denied access to resources such as shelter, food, clothing, and even hot water.
In modern societies this access is mediated by official pieces of paper and plastic, but that is irrelevant. Whether one calls it “money” or “ration coupons” or “debt” or some other label makes no difference – it all boils down to using the threat of state violence (such as arrest) to enforce whatever resource allocation system is imposed on working stiffs, with or without their consent.
Dear Leaders want us to think that there just isn’t enough to go around so that everyone can have a decent life. That might have been true 150 years ago. It certainly isn’t true today. That is a Big Lie used to justify their greed and our suffering. Think about the ongoing Great Recession of 2008. Millions of US residents were forced from their homes while millions of housing units remained empty and deteriorated to the point where they were torn down. There is more food produced each year than all of us around the world can possibly eat – but it serves the interests of Dear Leaders to feed some and starve others, like the Yemenis who won’t obey Saudi Barbarians.
During any economic depression (now called “recessions”) millions are forced from their jobs even though the factories remain standing with functional machinery and connections to utilities like electricity and natural gas. It’s not like we suddenly run out trees, minerals, water, air, etc. All the resources needed to produce goods and services still exist, yet the workers are not allowed to continue producing goods and services. This is clearly a massive failure of Dear Leaders to properly manage the economy – a failure which just happens to create opportunities for even *more* centralized control of resources and more accumulation of personal wealth.
So maybe The Great Recession wasn’t really a failure after all but just another opportunity to enrich Dear Leaders and impoverish the rest. Funny how these banking crises happen so frequently and predictably. It’s almost as if Dear Leaders *want* periodic crises to keep happening…
Once one concludes that the denial of access to resources (known as “poverty”) is not a bug but a feature, the obvious question is, “why?”. The simple answer is, “to enforce the hierarchy” as illustrated by the Pyramid of Capitalism (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System ). There can not be a handful of rich f’ers at the top without a bunch of poor people at the bottom. Each person above the destitution of the bottom layer lives in mortal fear of being shoved out into the street, whether or not they are conscious of that fear and able to articulate it. It’s that fear that keeps working people pliable, obedient, and quiet.
This is where I part ways with Dr Hudson. He wants to stabilize the system by bringing back the jubilee. I want to demolish the hierarchy and replace it with institutions that work for us instead of the Dear Leaders. What would those institutions look like? How can we get there? Given the fickleness of “human nature” is it even possible? I don’t know. One might think that social scientists could give us a few clues, but overall they seem to be more interested in protecting their own position on the Pyramid than in getting rid of it.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Nov 19 2018 19:34 utc | 110

@109 financial matters sez:

Joseph Stiglitz wrote a very good book Freefall in 2010. One of the first books to deal with the financial crisis.

I second that recommendation. It’s one of the best analyses of the 2008 financial crisis, imo. That book is also available at Library Genesis if anyone is interested obtaining a five finger discounted copy.
http://libgen.io/search.php?req=Freefall%3A+America%2C+Free+Markets%2C+and+the+Sinking+of+the+World+Economy&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=def

Posted by: Daniel | Nov 19 2018 19:46 utc | 111

Imran Khan has responded very forcefully to Trump’s unfounded accusations of Pakistan such that the Outlaw US Empire has lost yet another vassal:
“Pak has suffered enough fighting US’s war. Now we will do what is best for our people & our interests.”
This was the last of four Tweets by Khan on this topic, so see his overall twitter feed to read the other three.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2018 19:48 utc | 112

Posted by: paid jerk-off | Nov 19, 2018 12:57:25 PM | 103
How much did you charge your clients for that bullshit?
Your conflating of Israeli legitimacy and Israeli actions as a State is transparent. Your bullshit comment is easily debunked via UN reaction to USA proposed move of it’s embassy to Jerusalem which tells us all we need to know about what the world thinks of US and Israeli machinations.
Take your hand out of your pants and go get a real job.
Scamming your clients as a third-rate propagandist will not last.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19 2018 19:50 utc | 113

@Jackrabbit
craigsummers is or was a longtime troll over at Glenn Greenwald’s forum at the Intercept. I stopped visiting the Intercept at least two years ago so I have no idea if he still posts there, but he was by far that site’s most prolific, and mind-numbingly tedious, shill for U.S. Empire and the Zionist entity. Never thought I’d see him again, but here he is…

Posted by: Daniel | Nov 19 2018 20:22 utc | 114

@103 Hasbara Liar
You say Zionists didn’t displace the natives, the landowners were absent and Zionists just bought their land and Israel is a democracy…🤥🤥🤥🤥 Pinocchios just for what I bothered to read. The rest is just as trash-worthy.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 19 2018 20:56 utc | 115

love the shlomo sand link. i give haaretz credit for publishing his work (though not too much since he is more or less officially an israeli) since his books are a consistent “go to” for me when anyone brings up the canard of “jews= a race”.
the invention of the jewish people is highly recommended though it has faced the expected whining from materialist members of The Church of the Almighty Gene. apparently centuries of historical and archeological evidence can be invalidated by a “23 and me” level genetic test. i suppose our shared genetics with other “great apes” will lead these scientists to advocate plant-based diets? probably not. unless there are plans in the works for a “chimpanzee holy land”.
(i also like to drop this and ask people to explain how connie chung, zooey deschanel and sammy davis jr “converted” their ethnicity.)

Posted by: the pair | Nov 19 2018 21:00 utc | 116

Daniel @115
“……..I have no idea if he still posts there…….”
Just to update you. Absolutely.

Posted by: craigsummers | Nov 19 2018 21:22 utc | 117

Circe @103

“…..You say Zionists didn’t displace the natives, the landowners were absent and Zionists just bought their land and Israel is a democracy…🤥🤥🤥🤥 Pinocchios just for what I bothered to read. The rest is just as trash-worthy…….”

Remarkably thorough rebuttal.
Thanks.

Posted by: craigsummers | Nov 19 2018 21:24 utc | 118

Julian 89 – please check your names before chortling forth . As for China , power and influence in the Pacific ; I am including South Pacific region as the pivot between eastern Pacific and the Indian ocean . For the countries North and South of the ‘ central kingdom ‘ China has been – probably still is – exactly that ‘the ‘central kingdom ‘ in economic and cultural terms .
English policy throughout the 19th C was intensely aware of this, seeking always to privelage the Malay world over the forseen long term powerful potential competitor , China .

Posted by: ashley albanese | Nov 19 2018 21:55 utc | 119

@103
“4. Fourth, they didn’t fight or displace the natives like the colonial powers in the various locations around the world. They immigrated peacefully and obtained land mostly by buying from absentee land owners. There were no slaughters of the native population to obtain the land (although there was clearly tension interspersed with some violence). There was no ethnic cleansing prior to the war of Independence.”
They owned something like 7 or 8% of the land when they proclaimed the establishment of the state of Israel and proceeded to force 700,000 people off their land. Further, Israel has gradually continued to lay claim to more land in the decades since. The settlements are literally colonies.
@117
“the expected whining from materialist members of The Church of the Almighty Gene.”
Sand made a claim about genetics. The genetic evidence later contradicted him. The only one in this scenario who is being whiny is Sand himself, who has no actual rebuttal other than evoking Hitler.
Further, no, the historical evidence doesn’t support his views. Sand’s ideas aren’t much thought of by academics.

Posted by: Merasmus | Nov 19 2018 23:04 utc | 120

For those unaware, Adam Garrie of EuraisaFuture underwent a surgical procedure that he termed “routine yet life-threatening” and will be unable to contribute to his ezine for an unknown amount of time. Meanwhile, his associate Andrew Korybko continues to write and publish articles, which have unfortunately sunk to the level of Commentary instead of the objective, investigative journalism he was once noted for.
An example of Koryko’s Commentary is this item that pushes the idea that Trump dissed Xi by sending Pence to the APEC-CEO Conference instead of attending himself, although Korybko provides zero evidence that the Chinese press was insulted by this affront designed to cause Xi loss of face. How could such be possible when Russia sent its PM Medvedev instead of President Putin when using the same rationale Xi was also dissed by his #1 ally and partner?
I bring this up since such writing greatly damages any new alt-news publication’s credibility making it akin to its evidence-free BigLie Media opponents and risks turning Garrie’s project into a laugher like The Duran.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2018 23:28 utc | 121

@121 merasmus.. thanks for the first part where you are trying to talk sense into our local troll cs…good luck with that!
the 2nd part though is more of this attempt by zionists to validate there claim to israel based on genetics and is a pile of rubbish..
i guess you missed @77 pft link here – https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/5/1/75/730630

Posted by: james | Nov 20 2018 0:17 utc | 122

karlof1,
“there are no more blank slates; only tablets where the previous chalk has faded.”
Not that there ever were, but occasionally large niches open up and the first set the pattern for what follows.
I think the notion of law needs to be considered, before granted too much power. Remember it is law that enables property, credits and debts, as well as how to moderate them. When we have a cultural philosophy of chasing ideals, this balance isn’t appreciated.
Good and bad are not some cosmic dual between the forces of righteousness and evil, but the basic biological binary of beneficial and detrimental. What is good for the fox, is bad for the chicken and there is no happy medium. What enables societies to function is having a fairly common sense of good and bad, ethically defined as right and wrong. Computers are based on the binary of on and off and we see how much complexity they enable.
Empires grow because they enable sufficient benefits for sufficient people and they die as the benefits harden into rights that exceed responsibilities, for those most ensconced. The United States remains a nation of laws, as the cultural foundation is the “mixing bowl,” but the laws have become a shell out of which the life is draining.
If we want to reset the very nature of law, I think it is face the fact that money is a contract, not a commodity. It is a promise, not inherent value. If we can’t trust each other, promises are worthless. This first occurred to me in 96, when Dole had a campaign slogan; “We want you to keep more of your money in your pocket.” My first thought was; “Thank God it isn’t my money, or it would be worthless.” It’s not my picture on it. I’m not responsible for maintaining its value and I certainly don’t hold the copyrights. If we grant people the right to whatever personal property they can legitimately acquire, with the stipulation that money is a public function, this would quell the fear of communism, that personal property is no longer sacrosanct, but would put the banking system in its proper place.
Think of a house; It has both public and personal spaces. Living rooms, kitchens, hall ways, etc. are public spaces, while bedrooms are personal spaces and bathrooms some combination of the two. Money, as a medium, is like a hallway.
These are concepts and analogies that most people would be able to easily understand and that is what is needed to make them go viral, without those controlling the larger media able to shut them out. Especially as those controlling the economy are sitting on top of the third economic crisis in less than 20 years.

Posted by: John Merryman | Nov 20 2018 0:32 utc | 123

John Merryman @124–
Thanks so much for your reply!
As is often the case with these short commentaries/discourses, concepts are often left il- or undefined, then expanded on later within a comment/discourse elsewhere, which was the case with the Rule of Law above. Here’s what I wrote a few hours ago:
“There’re two versions of the Rule of Law–one moral: laws written such that no one has an advantage over another–the other immoral: laws written to provide advantage to one faction over all others, particularly in the areas of commerce and finance. As such, Liberal Democracy comes under the heading of Immoral Law, which is why its dysfunctional and skews all benefits to one faction–the rich. The challenge is to author moral law and build democracy from the bottom->up such that all citizens benefit roughly equally–roughly since all humans differ in innate abilities and thus outcomes will never be perfectly equal. IMO, the concept of Moral Law is Just yet will be deemed Radical by the faction served by Immoral Law since they lose all the advantages they’ve built over centuries.
“So, IMO, the mantra isn’t a call for the return to Law & Order; rather, the mantra is a call to establish Moral Law and a New Order based upon its tenets.”
All of this plus additional substance found its way into the basis for my reply to Jen on the current Syria thread regarding Iraq’s future direction.
I’m sure you’ve heard of the Problem Tree approach to attaining solutions: The root of the problem must be discerned correctly for the problem to be solved and the situation ameliorated. This is the approach I’ve used in analyzing our multiplicity of current dilemmas. Most would agree that the social contracts existing in the vast majority of nations must be rewritten as they’re based on an Immoral Rule of Law favoring the few over the many that fosters outrageous levels of corruption and grossly skews cultural value systems–how could Greed is Good ever become accepted within a Just, Moral society? That is was/is shows the level of dysfunctionality within our cultural norms and mores. So, it’s not just a matter of rewriting laws that’s required; reestablishing a functional, moral culture that rejects such dysfunctional notions as Greed is Good must also be done somehow.
IMO, humanity’s faces an Existential Crossroads with one path leading to repair and resurrection and the other disaster, which could be full or partial. And the choice of which path to take approaches rapidly–2025-2030 at latest. Some national leaders see this while others are blinded by trying to fulfill autocratic fantasies. Convincing humanity that it faces such a dire situation brought about by a series of particular problems will be difficult at best in a world currently ruled by BigLie Media and dysfunctional education systems that don’t teach what needs to be learnt or outright falsifies history.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2018 1:38 utc | 124

@123
That Jewish populations worldwide have a common genetic heritage isn’t rubbish. The link you provided is about Elhaik’s study, which was bizarrely done and exists in a category of one. Other genetic studies contradict it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/
https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol_preprints/41/
What is rubbish is the idea that this in anyway entitles modern Jews to take land from people who have, at absolute minimum, been living their for centuries and have a more recent claim to it.

Posted by: Merasmus | Nov 20 2018 2:47 utc | 125

@10 psychohistorian – “Until and unless Michael Hudson calls out private finance as the systemic problem Western society has …”
I think you do Dr. Hudson a grave disservice. You should read the Hudson article linked by Bart Hansen at #44. Here’s a long excerpt from it, with my emphasis added:

Many people who oppose debt cancellation try to pooh-pooh the Babylonian and Sumerian cancellation. Samuel Kramer, the right-wing Sumerologist, said they were all failures because once they canceled the debts, they all grew back again. You have to realize that every society is going to run up debts, every society is going to run up bills, every society is going to polarize. So it has to be a permanent, ongoing revolution. You have to continually keep restoring it. Obviously, today, you’re not going to begin with a debt cancellation.
What has caused this basic shift away from debt cancellation is the privatization of credit. In Sumer and Babylonia the temples and the palace were the source of credit. In medieval Japan it also was the temples that were the creditors. Most people ran up debts, in Japan, to the temples for sake – the temples were also sake-makers. There were revolts against the sake-makers to cancel the debts, and they were successful.
The problem is the privatization of credit. The government today could cancel the student debts that are owed to the government. But they can’t cancel the debts that are owed, say, to David Rockefeller or to other banks – to somebody else.
The banks should be a public option, just like health care should be a public option. Even the University of Chicago right-wingers, in the 1930s, proposed a 100% reserve. The idea is that banks should not be able to create credit, meaning create debt. When you create credit, you’re creating somebody’s debt. That should be a government function, because the government can relieve the debts.
The bankruptcy law was re-written in 2005. It made it almost impossible to declare bankruptcy. It used to be you could declare bankruptcy and have a clean slate, on an individual basis, not a social basis, but now even that has been closed here. And for student loans you can’t have bankruptcy at all.
Obviously this has to be a big fight. Dennis Kucinich tried to fight for it and immediately the Democrats redesigned his district, gerrymandered the voting districts to get him out of Congress so that he wouldn’t talk about it anymore. So it’s obviously going to be a very hard fight.
The Land Belongs to God

Hudson is in there fighting, with the weapons he possesses. He understands that it’s a fight, and that the fight is made up of many pieces. We can’t just hope or lobby for a change in consciousness without these pieces. The epiphany will not be televised, and it will not even be seen to have occurred until its multitude of little components have been laid in place by ten thousand fighters for the change of mind.
There is no question in my mind that Michael Hudson deserves great honor as a relatively large weapon in this struggle.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 20 2018 2:55 utc | 126

Merasmus @121

“…….They owned something like 7-8% of the land when they proclaimed the establishment of the state of Israel and proceeded to force 700,000 people off their land. Further, Israel has gradually continued to lay claim to more land in the decades since. The settlements are literally colonies…….”

While I agree that Jews owned about 8% of the land, about 50% of the British Mandate for Palestine was “…Known as Crown or State Lands, this was mostly uninhabited arid or semi-arid territory, inherited originally by the Mandatory Government from Turkey. In 1948 it passed to the Government of Israel…”. About 70% of the Israel portion of the partition proposed by the UN was “state or Crown lands”.
About 700,000 Arabs were ethnically cleansed from their land. The Palestinian Arabs rejected the partition plan with violence which carried on for a full five months before the Palestinians were run off of their land. This was do to the threatened invasion of the Arab countries because the Jewish population would declare independence on May 14, 1948. According to Bennie Morris:

“……the Haganah switched to the offensive in early April, also simply, because it could. For four months under continuous provocation and attack, the Yishuv largely held itself in check, initially in the hopes that the disturbances would blow over….But the Haganah had little choice. With the Arab world loudly threatening and seemingly mobilizing for invasion,the Yishuv’s political and military leaders understood that they would first have to crush the Palestinian militias in the main towns and along the main roads and the countries borders if they were to stand a chance beating off the invading armies. And there was an ineluctable time frame. The Palestinians would have to be defeated in the six weeks remaining before the British departure, scheduled for 15 May……”

It was a military decision. I agree that Israel’s West bank settlement activity which is ongoing since the 1967 War is denying Palestinians their right to self determination (2004 ICJ decision). The Israelis need to replace Netanyahu who – like Putin – does an excellent job of looking out for the interests of Israelis, but cannot make the right step for peace. He campaigned on there would not be a Palestinian state while he was Prime Minister.
Thanks.

Posted by: craigsummers | Nov 20 2018 2:56 utc | 127

“Commemoration for Israel”
The land that we live on
Is soaked in the blood
Of those that we stole the land from,
And we eat of “our” food
And drink of “our” drink
And dance of “our” dance
And sing of “our” song….
….And pretend that nothing is wrong!

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 20 2018 4:08 utc | 128

Daniel@110
Thanks for the link. I have a couple of his books in hard copy or kindle. Looking forward to the new one at some point.
As for the Jesus stuff,he was real, but so much of what we are told is probably myth. I suspect the elites of the time exploited his popularity after death, embellished a few details over the years and massaged his message to their advantage in creating a new religion among which the faithful who would be more tolerant of being exploited by the elite . The Christians were taught to look forward to the afterlife and turn the other cheek and render under Caeser what he is due, in contrast with the jewish religion which under the Pharisees and Zealots had become more materialistic and revolutionary with more focus on this world. Not something the Roman occupiers and their Sadducee partners wanted.
We will never know for sure but I believe there is value in trying to understand as some of these same tactics are in use today

Posted by: Pft | Nov 20 2018 4:10 utc | 129

Jen@51
‘One way in which finance becomes public is for the banking system (or whatever replaces it) to become public. Instead of privately owned banks lending to individuals, families or small businesses, community-owned banks or banks controlled by local councils, trade unions, student unions or grassroots organisations would lend money. These banks would draw their funds from savings and day-to-day business accounts operated by the same groups of people they lend to. They could also be funded by national governments.’
Jen…what you explain here is a credit union, greatly popular in Ireland and the more deprived parts of the UK (e.g anywhere outside the M25 London orbital ring road). One of the oldest in Europe is the Garda Soichana (Irish police) Credit Union set up in 1964 I beleive, but they run exactly as you explain. They are largely unreported in the media because they are independent of the big banks and don’t go in for usury. They are run by local boards of suitably trained lay trustees and as far as I know have never had to be bailed out, nor do they pay obscene bonusues out of bail-out money. They’ve been around a long time and work well, but don’t expect to read about them in the MSM as they work in the interests of the people, in their truest sense.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein | Nov 20 2018 6:40 utc | 130

@ Grieved that thinks I did Michael Hudson a disservice.
I am an old man having watched this shit go on for the past 40-50 years….since awakening somewhat……. I have a hard time praising Michael Hudson for his seminal historical work about debt without the focus being on the system of finance that debt exists within and the incentives that sets for society. I am glad to read that he does admit that the provision of credit should be the responsibility of government but he does not make that case coherently and consistently, IMO. And I am tired of focus and study of symptoms and not the causes. Debt is a symptom of a sick social system/religion that should be building social interactions around concepts like risk management and social responsibility/contribution/benefits instead.
Let me add one more complaint that I don’t see the gods of public discourse include in their findings and observations; the reason versus monotheistic faith context that should make today different from early Babylonian and Sumerian times. Where is the world level voice that I would like to honor that is getting the public venue to ask why humanity is being threatened by the machinations of folks ascribing to values based on mythical beliefs.
Half steps or little tweaks and incrementalism are not going to save our world at this point. I see many in the West blinded like the woman in Paradise CA that had to put her makeup on before she could leave….and then it was too late. Why are we praising putting lipstick on the pig of Western society as we stumble closer to extinction from one reason or another? Reading the comments here there seems to be lots of energy for writing a new Lords prayer more fitting to the new overlords…..pleading for economic mercy……gag!
Rule of law applies to the 99% and rule of money applies to the 1% and until/unless that changes to one system for all there can be no justice.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2018 6:41 utc | 131

karlof1,
I think that to get to the basis of the current paradigm, we have to go back to the essential premise of Western civilization; The search for the ideal in a reality that is more a function of binaries and polarities. Consider everything from God to materialism; That there is some essential state or ideal, on which everything is based. The problem of god is that a spiritual absolute, the source of our consciousness, would be some element of sentience, which increasing feedback loops have evolved into increasingly complex biological life. Not an ideal of wisdom and judgement from which we have fallen. The raw beingness radiating outward, that explains everything from the most extreme egotism and narcissism, as it emerges as the absolute center of its own view of the universe, to the most complete selflessness, as it senses the same element of sentience radiating out of all life. Wisdom is the hard won knowledge that we learn and earn, not some state of perfect knowledge and judgement.
Meanwhile we have a culture based on the assumption of a singular father figure deity, that conveniently validates top down authority over the rest of society. Divine Right of Kings. If it is, obviously God must have ordained it.
Materialism holds there must be some singular physical element on which everything is based, but as physics has long realized, it is multitudes of dualities, from positive and negative charge, to waves/particles. The ups and downs that keep everything from being a flatline.
Even how we understand anything is to either distill it down to its core element, or place it in its broadest context. Nodes and networks. Nothing can exist in total isolation, as it needs some context of relationships, even if with just the observer, in order to have expression and form. Everything exists in terms of everything else. Even galaxies are energy radiating out, as mass coalesces in, in some cosmic convection cycle.
Yet now we have this world society with no balances, seeking some bottom line validation and falling into a black hole of abstracted value, that destroys the entire network and feedback loops sustaining life. The rich and powerful haven’t so much created this as being those most focused on their goals of infinite wealth, religious purity, or whatever end state they seem to worship.
So a proper and effective system of laws would need to recognize some overall sense of balance, yet also recognize the vital need for fluctuations from the median. The basic expanding energy driving life and reality, along with the forms, structures, patterns, that emerge, as multitudes of such forces interact and/or reach their apex. Realizing as well, that anything with a beginning, will also have an end. The price we pay to feel in the first place, is that some of it will be pain.
As well as recognizing the essential state of existence is this state of presence and while we might desire goals, they only exist as an expression of the journey. What goes round, comes round.

Posted by: John Merryman | Nov 20 2018 6:49 utc | 132

Discombobulated Troll changes tune 9 hours later.
Still doesn’t go far enough: an apartheid State delegitimizes itself.
Prediction: hand will return to pants in short order.
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Posted by: paid jerk-off | Nov 19, 2018 12:57:25 PM | 103:

The attempt to delegitimize Israel really had its beginnings with resolution 3379 at the UN which compared Israel to apartheid South Africa and which referred to Israel as a “colonial” venture. The resolution was rightly overturned in 1991.
The attempt to delegitimize Israel whether it’s by criticism of her democracy; the origin of the Jewish people; by calling Zionism a colonial venture and equating it to racism; or by comparing Israel to South Africa has fallen flat for 70 years.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19, 2018 2:50:02 PM | 114:

Your conflating of Israeli legitimacy and Israeli actions as a State is transparent. Your bullshit comment is easily debunked via UN reaction to USA proposed move of it’s embassy to Jerusalem which tells us all we need to know about what the world thinks of US and Israeli machinations.
Take your hand out of your pants and go get a real job.
Scamming your clients as a third-rate propagandist will not last.

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Posted by: paid jerk-off | Nov 19, 2018 9:56:13 PM | 128:

About 700,000 Arabs were ethnically cleansed from their land…. I agree that Israel’s West bank settlement activity which is ongoing since the 1967 War is denying Palestinians their right to self determination (2004 ICJ decision).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 20 2018 7:40 utc | 133

Emmanuel Goldstein @ 131: Thanks for your comment – yes, we used to have credit unions in Australia too before they were subsumed by our “Gang of Four” big banks (Westpac Banking Corporation, Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Australia & New Zealand Banking Group and the National Bank of Australia) in one form or another through takeovers and mergers.
Post offices are another institution through which decentralised banking services could operate. Community centres could do the same.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 20 2018 10:05 utc | 134

Ellen Brown has also written about many of these types of more public oriented banking systems in her books Web of Debt: The Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How We Can Break Free and The Public Bank Solution, From Austerity to Prosperity.
I was first introduced to her by reading her very interesting article on Libya in 2011 Libya: All About Oil, or All About Banking?
She is trying to introduce public banking systems in California. A Public Bank for Los Angeles?
Here is a comment I wrote at Naked Capitalism a few years back:
financial matters
August 25, 2014 at 8:16 am
Ellen Brown makes a compelling case for public banking. She discusses the mainly pubic banking systems of Russia, India Brazil and China and how these banks tend to mete out ‘qualitative easing’ to small businesses and to poor people to create demand rather than to salvage the private banking system as the case in the EU and US.
China’s ‘non-performing loans’ can be seen more in light of providing credit to businesses which also provide cradle to grave social services. India’s banking system works best when it provides loans to ‘high risk’ people such as farmers and small businesses rather than concentrating too much on profits. The BNDES of Brazil provides long term lending to strategic sectors and is much more stable than trying to get money to these industries by casino type stock and bond markets. ‘In the 1998 Asian crisis, many Russians who had put their savings in private banks lost everything, and the credit crisis of 2008 has reinforced their distrust of private banks. They want a bank in which they can feel their money is safe. As problems linger in global financial markets, local Russian companies are also switching to state-owned banks for funding.’
She also brings up Cyprus and that other banks are considering bail-ins to help them maintain capital if necessary. And dealing with the derivatives problem by giving them superpriority.
Ellen Brown , ‘The Public Bank Solution’, From Austerity to Prosperity.

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 20 2018 11:10 utc | 135

Jackrabbit @ 93
Thanks for this lesson on how a capitalist pig can use the system to set up shell limited liability companies for each “deal” to protect his personal assets, evade responsibility for the financial ruination caused to others caught up in his schemes as “subcontractors” and “employees”, then when his corporate credit is trashed he turns to Russian mobsters, er I mean “oligarchs” to fund the next round of real estate deals….
Uhm, dude, there is no core “Trump” buiness. Lol. The “Trump Organisation” in fact is an LLC fed by more than 500 other limited liablity companies and partnerships set up for each deal. His business exists as a byzantine series of shell games, Llc, limited partnerships…the very stuff of what most people on the left (but not Jackrabbit apparently) routinely rail against: crony capitalism, income tax evasion, exploitation/stiffing of contract labor through liberal use of bankruptcy court proceedings, financial fraud, intentional marketing misrepresentation and other forms of organised white collar crime.
Oh and did anyone explain to you the main beneficiaries of Trump’s “tax reform” were owners of LLC? Coincidentally of course for Trump is a populist!

This month, two incredible investigative stories have given us an opportunity to lift the hood of the Trump Organization, look inside, and begin to understand what the business of this unusual company actually is. It is not a happy picture. The Times published a remarkable report, on October 2nd, that showed that much of the profit the Trump Organization made came not from successful real-estate investment but from defrauding state and federal governments through tax fraud. This week, ProPublica and WNYC co-published a stunning story and a “Trump, Inc.” podcast that can be seen as the international companion to the Times piece. They show that many of the Trump Organization’s international deals also bore the hallmarks of financial fraud, including money laundering, deceptive borrowing, outright lying to investors, and other potential crimes.

I like to give you the benefit of the doubt, accepting that you are engaging online merely as an innocent, useful idiot… but when your Trump apologia becomes this thick, I have to wonder….LMAO

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 20 2018 14:22 utc | 136

@132 psychohistorian
Let me attempt a small contribution to this.
I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but when you tire of the study of symptoms and not the causes and describe the reason versus monotheistic faith context, then – if these two thoughts go together – I think you’re on shaky ground.
There is an important part of Buddhist thought that calls both the monotheistic faith and the atheistic faith errors of equal magnitude. And so, trying to combat one with the other is nothing more than any other kind of polarization. I’m not saying you’re doing this, because I’m not clear at this point if you are or not. What I am saying is that monotheistic faith itself is not the enemy. Its opposite is also the enemy. There are two enemies and they are both the same thing. And this can be demonstrated by Buddhist logic, which has proven unbeatable, and which does produce solid ground.
So, moving past that mouthful, I guess I’m trying to say that for myself, I’ll take dealing with the symptom – private finance – because this symptom alone has caused and continues to cause incalculable misery and devastation, and to end this symptom could itself encourage a change of mind.
Greed will always arise in humans, but to deal with this, one needs to understand how human consciousness works. Buddhism explains this completely, while no other system that I know of comes even close to being complete in this field. So there are answers to the human condition, but they come only out of the wisdom tradition and from no materialistic system.
It seems to me, then, that there are two ways to approach this evil of private finance. One can try to stop it purely as a systemic and mechanical device, or one can try to plumb the depths of the human soul to know what causes it and try to stop it there, at its true source, which is in fact the denial of one’s own natural compassion. One could actually take both approaches. It seems unnecessary to reject either.
It’s very possible that I’m not understanding your position. Very possible. And I apologize in advance if this is so.
It does seem to me that you are calling for a change in consciousness, and if so, then the discussion of ways and means should focus on how such a change can be achieved. And I suggest study of Buddhist teachings about how the mind works for all sentient beings, as a sound basis for such an aspiration.
So, this was a stab at suggesting a framework of terms or approaches that might be useful in ending this great evil that we all reject. It’s just a partial kind of suggestion, that may not have anything to do with your view of things. I have very limited time so I can’t come back soon. But I offer these thoughts in case they may be of use to you or any interested reader.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 20 2018 14:55 utc | 137

donkeytale
I’m not defending Trump as much as I’m criticizing dembot attempts to make Trump himself the issue. As Caitlin Johnston writes:

The noxious strain of American liberalism which promotes Russia conspiracy theories, supports the prosecution of government transparency advocates, and only attacks Trump as an idea rather than actually resisting his actual policies was never about any principle of any kind. There were preexisting agendas against Russia, alternative media, WikiLeaks, and government transparency long before Trump took office, and all of those agendas have been systematically advanced by the powerful using the “us vs them” herd mentality of the McResistance.

The time to examine Trump’s finances was three years ago. The establishment and sycophantic media game him a pass. Mueller’s Russian influence investigation has turned up nothing like dembots fantasies have hoped for.
Lastly, Trump is merely a symptom of the Duopoly.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 20 2018 15:29 utc | 138

karlof1 at 108, you are right in a sense, and I was going to include a sentence about ‘focus’ ‘domain of study’ and so on, but didn’t.
I really appreciate Hudson and will buy his book. I was more lamenting the general state of ‘Economics’
– the dismaying absurdity I can’t get over is that ppl actually ‘believe in’ classical / neo-classical ‘economics’, it is crazy.
(But don’t get me started on MMT.) The no. 1 input into the system is ignored.
Note your remark applies to other criticisms of Hudson as well.
It seems that, unsurprisingly, he can’t be all things to all ppl!
(See Grieved and psychohistorian, basically one praises Hudson for what he has done,
the other criticises for what was left out, not taken into account, not radical enough, etc.)

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 20 2018 16:14 utc | 139

I don’t disagree with you that Trump is a symptom of the duopoly or whatever you wish to call the American political condition. His presidency is more specifically a reaction to the symptom of the wealth gap created by globalism (and the corollated movement to kill unions which previously protected at least a significant portion of the white working class in the US).
None of these statements are true: The time to examine Trump’s finances was three years ago. The establishment and sycophantic media game him a pass. Mueller’s Russian influence investigation has turned up nothing like dembots fantasies have hoped for.
More like the GOP House Judiciary Congress abdicated its duty and protected Trump at all cost….that is the cost of their House majority. So, now is the perfect time to examine Trump’s finances….the Amerikkkan people just voted that examination into existence. And if the Demotards wussy out I will be in the forefront of condemning them.
The “Russian Collusion” (or “Influence” in your term) meme is meaningless either way. Who cares? It’s actually Trump’s own attempt at misdirection away from his financial indiscretions which are lifelong going back to Daddy gifting him nearly a half billion dollars (in 1970s valuation) and avoiding state and federal taxes in the process.

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 20 2018 16:19 utc | 140

Also, this Caitlin Johnston person who I gather is one of a handful of “go-to” oracles of the Barfly Zeitgeist isn’t very interesting.
Her statement here is simply meaningless and doesn’t disprove a single contention I make against Trump:
The noxious strain of American liberalism which promotes Russia conspiracy theories, supports the prosecution of government transparency advocates, and only attacks Trump as an idea rather than actually resisting his actual policies was never about any principle of any kind. There were preexisting agendas against Russia, alternative media, WikiLeaks, and government transparency long before Trump took office, and all of those agendas have been systematically advanced by the powerful using the “us vs them” herd mentality of the McResistance.
This is just typical blogging hyperbole. I see better discourse than this at MoA every day of the week.
But whatever gets a barfly thruogh the night, it’s all right. It’s all right.

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 20 2018 16:40 utc | 141

US promises to ‘disrupt’ oil shipments to Syria, sanctions Russian & Iranian companies
https://www.rt.com/usa/444472-us-sanctions-russian-iranian-firms-syria/

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 20 2018 17:01 utc | 142

@ Grieved with the follow up…thanks
I was raised Catholic and had 12 years of education by them including 4 years with Jesuits. I am no longer a theist and never was a atheistic. I am happy with not knowing and think it meets the 4th precept of the Hopi; that of not being connected to the outcome.
To me, faith is for those that do not take personal responsibility for their lives. No one can live your life but you but if you abdicate that responsibility to faith for leadership, you are failing to act in an evolved sense of knowing what is reality and reason/logic in contrast to the mythical “reality” based on faith. We know better. We want to think of ourselves as civilized but continue to hold on to aspects of our “Might-Makes-Right” past.
When you write that humans will always be greedy it makes me sad. May we write instead that humans are an evolving mix of intrinsic and learned/conditioned drives and many/most aspire to humanistic expression of them…..and deprecation of those that use to exist for survival.
I am not pushing for a change in consciousness as much as I, like our wonderful historian karlof1 I believe, are pushing for an awakened/educated/aware/engaged populace instead of the “faith that everything is going to be alright and those in charge are there because they are smart and have humanities best interest at heart, etc.” zombies.
Karlof1 is an advocate of Michael Hudson and probably does not appreciate some of my calling out of Michael Hudson either given the historical infilling of Hudson and his groups work. I just continue to be incensed that the Western world never talks about our form of social organization based on the God of Mammon religion that sets the values and incentives by which we live our lives. Reading all the ooh aaahh about debt forgiveness without discussing why it is stupid for “organized humanity” to still be there pushed my button and hence the rant
Lets keep putting more make up on and write about how much we have to be thankful for during these coming holidays while we continue to ignore the structural problems with our society and more die for the God of Mammon religion that is never even spoken/written about except by people like me.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2018 17:05 utc | 143

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 20, 2018 11:19:01 AM | 141
So, now is the perfect time to examine Trump’s finances….the Amerikkkan people just voted that examination into existence. And if the Demotards wussy out I will be in the forefront of condemning them.
That’s exactly the kind of fake, worthless, grandstanding horse-shit the people can expect from your worthless Democrats. Meanwhile anyone who waits for them to do anything that could actually be good for any real people will wait a long, long time.
You sure hit every Dembot point, every time.
The “Russian Collusion” (or “Influence” in your term) meme is meaningless either way. Who cares? It’s actually Trump’s own attempt at misdirection away from his financial indiscretions which are lifelong going back to Daddy gifting him nearly a half billion dollars (in 1970s valuation) and avoiding state and federal taxes in the process.
Um, we’ve been subjected to two years now of your Dembot ape-shit lunacy on Russia, and we haven’t forgotten. You better put that lie back on the shelf. (Of course we expect grandstanding about Russia from the House Democrats. Another worthless circus which helps no one.)
As for Caitlin Johnstone, her quote is 100% dead on (as she usually is when she’s writing about you Dembots). She pegs you perfectly. But call it what you want, whatever gets you vile Dembots through the night. You certainly can’t rebut her – exactly what substantive Trump policy have you opposed?

Posted by: Russ | Nov 20 2018 17:13 utc | 144

Hudson was one of the first writers I started following when I plunged into all this in 2008, and he was one of my favorites. I printed out his book Superimperialism from the internet, very good. He’s as good as a reformist gets, but yes, not a revolutionary against Mammon.
I wonder how this new book stacks up against Graeber’s Debt. Graeber’s very clear on the evil of money as such, used as anything but a unit of account under special circumstances.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 20 2018 17:18 utc | 145

Russ – lol. of course you love her empty air overgeneralised invective…..you specialise in it yourself! Lol
exactly what substantive Trump policy have you opposed?
1. Obamacare repeal
2. Tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals, corporations and LLC in the guise of “tax reform”
3. Refugees/immigration/Border Wall
4. Military budget increases
5. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh nominations
6. Iranian foreign Policy, repeal of the nuclear deal
7. Israeli foreign policy, support of Jerusalem embassy and Netanyahoo’s extremist policies wrt Palestinians
8. KSA foreign policy
9. Foreign policy in general

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 20 2018 17:59 utc | 146

Statement by Trump on “standing with Saudi Arabia”. Warning. Can be nausea inducing.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-donald-j-trump-standing-saudi-arabia/

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 20 2018 18:02 utc | 147

Yet another article trying to raise awareness of the debilitated condition of the Outlaw US Empire’s military; this time, lack of attention to naval shipyards:
“‘Most naval shipyard capital equipment infrastructure is well beyond effective service life, obsolete, unsupported by original equipment manufacturers, and at operational risk,’ a Navy report submitted to Congress this year said. ‘Continued reliance on this aged equipment infrastructure increases submarine and aircraft carrier depot maintenance availability costs and places schedules at risk.'”
The amount of money needed to modernize and protect these installations is greater than the entire Russian and Chinese annual defense budgets, but no allocations are forthcoming as the issue gets kicked down the road. The Navy is already is a state of poor repair dogged by massive boondoggles having cost well more than the amount needed to effect improvements. And Pence is pushing a Naval war with China when his Navy’s air wings report a under 50% rate of combat readiness with their carriers immobilized for lack of spare parts as cited by the previous report I provided. Frankly, I’m not a bit surprised.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2018 19:43 utc | 148

grieved and psychohistorian… thanks for the ongoing conversation which i appreciate reading..

Posted by: james | Nov 20 2018 20:07 utc | 149

Peter AU 1 @148–
At Southfront’s posting of this same item, PavewayIV replied to a comment accusing Trump of being insane and ought to be put in an asylum: “He already is. Washington DC is our open-air asylum for psychopaths.”
Pathetic yet predictable. Some Turk media said the tapes were released, but all I’ve seen provided is a partial transcript. With Trump’s statement, the ball’s in Erdogon’s court. Releasing the tapes ought to finally shut Trump up.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2018 20:51 utc | 150

karlof1 says:
The amount of money needed to modernize and protect these installations is greater than the entire Russian and Chinese annual defense budgets, but no allocations are forthcoming as the issue gets kicked down the road
and money is the least of their problems.
Since 2013, 31 people have been criminally charged in connection with the Fat Leonard bribery and corruption scandal. According to investigators, by November 2017, more than 440 people — including 60 admirals — have come under scrutiny under the inquiry

Posted by: john | Nov 20 2018 21:22 utc | 151

Merasmus@ 67
I haven’t read Sand’s book, only extracts, reviews and critics. However I think you are wrong in saying that genetics are is main evidence. From what I gathered his thesis is based on historical evidence, and if I recall correctly the main criticism from other historians was that he dared to venture on one historical period he had not specialised on.
His main argument, if I recall correctly, was the fact that judaism, in the Greco-Roman world, was an aggressively proselytising religion and therefore it spread not on account of an unrestrained rabbit like reproduction rate by ethnic judeans, but on the difusion of their faith. Such proselytising started coing to an end when a competing, even more agressive religion, catholicism gained state power in the hegemon of the time, the Roman Empire.
Historical evidence of such proselytising can be gathered from the Church Councils of Visigothic Iberia. Nearly all of them took up the jewish question, adopted measures against proselytising, at times the death penalty, in others the prohibition of children being brought up as jews. Yet, despite all such measures, during a timespan of over 200 years there was a steady increase in the jewish population of Iberia to the point that when, starting with the islamic period the situation crystallised in different rules for the three different faiths, there was hardly any significant town without a jewish quarter, and in some towns jews were the majority.
I don’t think anyone needs population genetics (whatever their worth, which I highly doubt) to understand that the tale of the wandering jew is no more than that.
Basically, Sephardic Jews are ethnically Iberians, Misrahim, ethnically levantines and north africans, Ashkhenazi turkic and slavic. Diasporas, there were plenty, probably the first big Diaspora was 1492 and 1497 in Iberia, followed by emigration to the americas when steamers came of age, and to western europe in the interbellum period.
So, even if I doubt some of Sand’s interpretations, namely on the so-called Arab conquest of North Africa, I think is thesis is well grounded in History.
craigsummers @ 103
Go read Herzl letter to Rhodes, educate yourself about the alternative possible homes for the jewish people, Uganda, Angola, Patagonia and then comeback to us with your assertion that the racist and racial discriminating zionist entity is just “charged” and while you are at it, try reading Israel Shahak “Jewish History, Jewish Religion”, it might give you another viewpoint.
It took Cuito Canavale to bring down Apartheid in South Africa, I think one will come soon to the zionist state

Posted by: estouxim | Nov 21 2018 1:45 utc | 152

donkey
There’s no one so blind as those who will not see. Then there’s the motherf*ckers that want to blind everyone else. Which are you, donkey?
That one individual, or even a group of donkeys, oppose this or that is meaningless. The corrupt system will ensure that YOUR wishes are noted and ignored:

When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.

But hey, lets have a go at what donkey and his dembot friends have “fought”/wrought:

1. Obamacare repeal
Obamacare is a ‘give’ to insurance companies and Obama lied to us when he said: “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”. Democrats never should’ve supported Obamacare, and now a Republican President will likely replace it with an even worse plan (eventually) because Obamacare is already in trouble. But it’s even worse as Democrats have handed Republicans the ability to say: the Democrats had their chance and blew it – only Republicans can be trusted to implement a plan that works.
But dembots blame it all Trump. No rebuke for Obama – who is, for all practical purposes, Democratic Party royalty along with other seriously flawed Democratic Party leaders that have led the Party to failure: Hillary, Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein, etc.
2. Tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals, corporations and LLC in the guise of “tax reform”
Wow, maybe if the Democrats had not run a candidate that conspired against a large segment of her own party then this wouldn’t have happened. But then, Democratic President Obama also gave tax cuts to the wealthiest individuals by making Bushes tax cuts permanent in a farcical slight-of-hand know as “the Fiscal Cliff”.
3. Refugees/immigration/Border Wall
“Refugees”: politically, the “caravan” has been net positive for Trump; and “caravan” marchers appear to have been misled about their right to seek asylum in the US – as discussed at MoA.
“Immigration”: “Obama’s policy helped create the road map of enforcement that Trump has been following — and building on”, furthermore:

President Barack Obama separated parents from their children at the border. Obama prosecuted mothers for coming to the United States illegally. He fast tracked deportations. And yes, he housed unaccompanied children in tent cities.

“Border Wall”: that Mexico will pay for? Trump used anti-Mexican sentiment as a tool to renegotiate NAFTA. Democrats mostly looked on as Trump garnered an easy “win”.
4. Military budget increases
Democrats have been complicit in this by pushing bogus accusations of ‘Russian meddling’. Obama/Hillary fought illegal covert wars. Nobel Peace Prizing winning Obama boasted of his drone targeting (“I’m actually good at it”).
5. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh nominations
Democrats could have EASILY defeated Kavanaugh by focusing on his executive branch bias. Instead, their use of bogus salacious accusations masked that bias via a public spectacle. Oh, and undermined the #MeToo Movement also. A two-fer for the establishment!
6. Iranian foreign Policy, repeal of the nuclear deal
For the mid-terms, the Democrats focused on Healthcare and bogus sexual accusations against Kavanaugh. Democratic leadership has actually said that they want to avoid foreign policy.
The Iran deal is not a treaty and could be torn up by any future President. Too bad the Democrats ran such a flawed candidate for President in 2016. A candidate that actually may have thrown the race to friend Trump (we were led to believe that they are no longer friendly) by: 1) telling media to focus on Trump in the Primaries; 2) snubbing Sanders supporters and angering undecideds by smearing some voters as “deplorables”; 3) not campaigning in three crucial states, and more.
7. Israeli foreign policy, support of Jerusalem embassy and Netanyahoo’s extremist policies wrt Palestinians
Maybe YOU are against these things but the Democratic establishment is fully pro-Israel even if they mouth some annoyance from time to time.
8. KSA foreign policy
Most Americans are disturbed by the medieval Saudi Monarchy. That hasn’t stopped Presidents from BOTH parties from treating them with kit gloves. Obama famously bowed to the Saudi King (as he received a medal).
9. Foreign policy in general
And yet you (along with the entire establishment) urge participation in a political system that fully supports the Empire.

Lastly, here’s a reminder of how the establishment retains control of the Democratic Party with dirty tricks and money:

There’s no evidence that Saban’s attack on Ellison is what motivated the White House to recruit an opponent. But one would have to be indescribably naïve about the ways of Washington to believe that such a vicious denunciation by one of the party’s most influential billionaire funders had no effect at all.
If the plan to sink Ellison succeeds, the message that will be heard — fairly or not — is that the Democratic Party continues to venerate loyalty to its oligarchical donors above all else, and that preventing left-wing influence is a critical goal. In other words, the message will be that the party — which to date has refused to engage in any form of self-reckoning — is steadfastly committed to following exactly the same course, led by the same factions, that has ushered in such disaster.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 21 2018 2:59 utc | 153

FOCK ISRAEL! Trump is fellating the Zionist donkey again and is hot on MbS and his bone saw.
He exonerated MbS, because KSA is so important to Israel for getting Iran. Trump was
too chicken to listen to the tape of Khashoggi getting his fingers cut off and a plastic bag
put over his head before he got hacked to pieces and dissolved in acid. But he’s okay with anything
that makes his Zionist masters happy.
Israel is kosher with what psycho MboneSaw did to Khashoggi and his genocidal deprivation of humanitarian aid
in Yemen starving millions of children as long as they can obsess about destroying Iran together.
Israel is the most depraved shithole on the planet. Trump should go rule there. He would
feel right at home with supremacist land grabbers and gutter morality. He could have a threesome
with MboneSaw and Netanyahoo and form the hellbound three headed beast.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 21 2018 5:45 utc | 154

@134
Discombobulated Troll changes tune 9 hours later.
Still doesn’t go far enough: an apartheid State delegitimizes itself.
Prediction: hand will return to pants in short order.
😂
Exceptional response! He changed tune for five secs. after you beat
him into submission! 🤣 Great job!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 21 2018 6:21 utc | 155

Sorry donkey 147, those won’t do.
1. Obamacare repeal
2. Tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals, corporations and LLC in the guise of “tax reform”
3. Refugees/immigration/Border Wall
4. Military budget increases
5. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh nominations
6. Iranian foreign Policy, repeal of the nuclear deal
7. Israeli foreign policy, support of Jerusalem embassy and Netanyahoo’s extremist policies wrt Palestinians
8. KSA foreign policy
9. Foreign policy in general

Those are all policies Trump shares with your Democrats. 2-4, 6-9 are identical to things you Dembots support when a Democrat is doing them. The nuclear deal was a minor deviation amid the general bipartisan Iran-hating consensus, and would never have been necessary if this consensus didn’t exist.
Obamacare, as Obama often boasted, was a Republican program in the first place (Heritage Foundation, Romneycare), and as I predicted prior to 2016, Republicans would never really repeal it anyway since it’s primarily a bailout for the private insurance racket – again a bipartisan consensus. So the only thing you Dembots “oppose” there is Republican theater, and your “opposition” is theater.
That goes especially for the whole “supreme court” nonsense. I saw zero opposition to Kavanaugh on grounds of his extreme pro-corporate and police statist ideology, because again Democrats and Republicans have consensus on those, and you Dembots support those. The Democrat “opposition” was nothing but grandstanding over “MeToo”-type allegations. A police state corporatist without such allegations against him would’ve sailed through without a peep of “opposition”. Democrats and Republicans have consensus on the “supreme court”. (Which is an extremely anti-democratic institution in principle, before we even reach the evil and destructive corporate ideology of any nominee of any president. Again, any partisan squabbling over nominees is nothing but worthless grandstanding. The factions have consensus on the vile substance.)

Posted by: Russ | Nov 21 2018 6:33 utc | 156

karlof1 also says:
And Pence is pushing a Naval war with China when his Navy’s air wings report a under 50% rate of combat readiness with their carriers immobilized for lack of spare parts…
though it’s been pretty obvious that our military academies are churning out a subpar officers corps(i’m being particularly compassionate), i’m heartened by reports of petty officers and airmen taking matters into their own hands.
now, if we can just make it through the Sea of Monsters

Posted by: john | Nov 21 2018 11:10 utc | 157

Here’s more on the US biological warfare program based in Georgia laboratories, which we discussed here at MoA a few weeks ago. The piece includes the NYT and WaPo parroting the military’s lies.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/21/criminal-behavior-us-may-be-developing-biological-weapons/

Posted by: Russ | Nov 21 2018 11:42 utc | 158

MbZ is in Paris today. To show the Brits that he had new buddies, he decided to have a little fun at home: life prison to a British student for ‘spying’. by the way, MbS was invited for Paris 11th November celebrations but he simply couldn’t make it. So sad.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 21 2018 13:12 utc | 159

After almost one hundred years of special relationship, the Brits seem to discover the absence of a legal system in the Gulf
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46288510
On top of that “Matthew does not speak or read Arabic,” the family statement said.
Hard to understand why Durham University decided to sacrifice this poor guy.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 21 2018 13:15 utc | 160

Russ, lol. You’re the comedic gift that keeps giving. I will simply comment you need to up your game (vastly) to equal Jackrabbit’s anti-Dembot schtick. I just wish you were a bit more….challenging. But I appreciate your your ongoing effort. Thanks
JR. Your points on some of these are very good to excellent, however I’m not defending the Democratic position (such as it is overgeneralised) just as you claim you are not defending Trump.
FWIW, I did spend a bit of time out of curiosity perusing Caitlin Johnstone’s oeuvre and found some of it to be very worthy, especially this one.
she’s pretty good.

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 21 2018 15:06 utc | 161

john @158–
My daughter lives at Virginia Beach, next to Norfolk, and knows many carrier-crew sailors. Many haven’t been to sea for 2+ years because of seemingly endless ship repairs. Imagine rattling sabers as the blade separates from the hilt and clangs to the ground; that’s what Pence and Trump are doing, and the Russians and Chinese know that and more.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2018 16:33 utc | 162

karlof1
yeah, things are getting pretty rickety. i wonder if GE’s gonna bite the dust?

Posted by: john | Nov 21 2018 17:26 utc | 163

@144 psychohistorian – “When you write that humans will always be greedy it makes me sad.”
I didn’t explain that well, and I should now. I said that greed will always arise, and that’s a description coming out of my understanding of how humans tick. I would expand that to say that all of the emotions, temptations, impulses, traits, habits, etc, will arise. This doesn’t mean that a human gets carried away with any of them.
Even the Buddha, whom I claim as source for this understanding, was visited by the final vestiges of illusory thought while he was becoming enlightened. He saw forces attacking him and perceived that these were simply traces of his own mind – at which the attackers fell to the ground as flowers and he became the Buddha.
So, to get practical here, it’s useful to think that people aren’t a fixed commodity, or that once they’ve chosen the high or low road, they’re established forever on that path. There is no “forever”. Everything is impermanent and this itself opens up great hope for positive change. People are very much more changeable than we culturally assume. The situation of human conduct is a very plastic one, and many forces can act to influence how any person thinks, perceives, believes and acts.
This to me is all extremely hopeful, because it means that one action over here can have a demonstration effect over there, and that one person moving a chair can change the whole room when the music stops. The leverage of what we do is hard to know. But everything helps, and the universe itself has built the fix in by making the root nature of all sentient beings that of compassion. Everything we are and everything we believe is a clouding over that true nature, to some degree or another. So there is nothing but the future and the possibility of betterment.
And how will this betterment come about if not through the actions of each one doing whatever one can in the direction of the goal?
In this context, I regard Hudson as a great force at play in this shifting global culture. He brings the issue of private finance into an actual historical context, turning it from a concept to a reality that is clouded by his “2,800 year lie”. And we can now suggest that behind this clouding of almost three millennia is a system that is only a temporary aberration. It didn’t used to exist, it’s been established and held by lies, and it has been so wrong that in its short time it has pretty much destroyed what should have been an almost eternal planetary abode for us.
So, personally I find the potential to change entire paradigms and to give rise to new thinking about money simply enormous coming directly from Hudson’s 40 years of work, now finally coming into very sharp relief. I salute him as a comrade in the struggle, as I so salute you.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 21 2018 18:00 utc | 164

Donkeyshill, as usual you have no response, because you can’t respond. Your first attempt was a morbid failure, but I’ll invite you to try again – name a single substantive way you Dembots differ from Trump and the Republicans.
As for comedy relief, it’s endlessly funny that you furiously insist you’re not a Dembot even as you keep spewing fake Dembot talking points. Why would anyone but a Dembot do that? LOL, as you’d say.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 21 2018 18:07 utc | 165

@146 Russ – “I wonder how this new book stacks up against Graeber’s Debt.”
I have read somewhere in recent days that Graeber and Hudson are good friends, and that Graeber relied on some of Hudson’s then-unpublished work to write his book. I can’t find this now, but it may well be in some of the reviews of Hudson’s latest book.
I do note that in the speech that Bart Hansen linked at #44, Hudson cites Graeber and Debt to make a point. That link is here, and it’s a fine piece:
The Land Belongs to God

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 21 2018 18:12 utc | 166

Very clever, Russ. Way too clever for little ol me, Donkeydembotshill. You didn’t accept my first answer so you re-asked the same question in slightly different way just so you can now not accept my next answer either! Wow, clever and brilliant!
But alas, I’m easy and willing to play your game Russ, on your rules, just so you can feel good about yourself and show the world just how smart you are….I’m forever selfless that way with my friends.
Let’s see now….ok, how about these two from the last few days (I know you only asked for a single example this time)….neither I nor the Dembots, including Obama’s DOJ, ever indicted Julian Assange for practicing journalism but now Trump and the GOP DOJ have secretly indicted him….

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has been secretly indicted by the Trump administration’s Justice Department, “a drastic escalation” of the feds’ efforts against him, the New York Times reported. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has denounced Wikileaks as a “non-state hostile intelligence service” and labeled Assange a “fraud,” “coward,” and “enemy.” But rather than a federal indictment, Assange deserves a tweaked version of one of Washington’s hottest honorifics.

or how about this one freshly ripped from the pages of today’s news….neither I nor the Dembots including Obama’s Chief of Staff ever issued a “Cabinet order” (whatever that is) investing the US Military with the authority to police domestic disturbances….

The new “Cabinet order” was signed by White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, not President Donald Trump. It allows “Department of Defense military personnel” to “perform those military protective activities that the Secretary of Defense determines are reasonably necessary” to protect border agents, including “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention. and cursory search.”
There are approximately 5,900 active-duty troops and 2,100 National Guard forces deployed to the U.S.-Mexico border.
Some of those activities, including crowd control and detention, may run into potential conflict with the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act. If crossed, the erosion of the act’s limitations could represent a fundamental shift in the way the U.S. military is used, legal experts said.

Using the US Military to police domestic disturbances at the whim of the Chief Executive (or his Chief of Staff if the Chief Executive is too busy playing golf), Russ…and also indicting alternative journalists Russ….those seem fairly “substantive” to me, bro, as well as pertinent….
Why these precedents could even be used someday to negatively impact our own stellar blogging/revolutionary careers….

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 21 2018 19:52 utc | 167

Grieved @165–
I meant to comment about greed earlier, but it’s only a point I’ve made previously relative to cultural dysfunction. Greed is one of many potentially damaging deviant human behaviors that were initially tamed through culture, there being no written laws or police to enforce them. At some point, culture failed to contain greed and other deviant behaviors causing the culture to become dysfunctional and the society on which it was reliant also became dysfunctional and generally ceased to exist as it fell apart and its members joined other functional groups. Indeed, culture–its norms and mores–was THE governor over human behavior and its societies for many millennia–the vast majority of human existence. I’ve been working a long time to put my finger on when and why cultural dysfunction became almost universal–almost because even today there are still a few societies using culture to govern themselves. At this point, I’m leaning to the inability of culture to adapt to technological advances, which our current condition shows easily occurs. A few societies were able to transcend their cultural dysfunction through its evolution which provided a means for solving the dysfunction and returning the society to its normative, productive state. Unfortunately, such societies are/were rarities and existed as outliers, developing in a manner similar to allopatric speciation. Greed as a deviant behavior in those societies was solved by making it the norm to give all excess away thorough ritual celebration. Christmas might have developed as a similar mechanism but was hijacked for other purposes long ago. The several Islamic Pilgrimages and the hospitality involved also serves a similar purpose, although they too have mostly been commercialized. IMO, the idea of Jubilee harkens back to an ancient memory of a similar virtue. The tired adage–It’s better to give than to receive–also relates to another relic. In The Odyssey, we are reminded of the laws given by the Goddess of Hospitality demanding good treatment of travelers and beggars who arrive at your door. Almost everything Dickens wrote was an attack on greed, as are the Spaghetti Westerns.
Yes, greed is present in Asia, but Asian cultures also have their Dickensonian aspects, particularly the act of self-deprecation. Some are finally coming round to see the vast gulf between the ideologies of Win-Win versus Zero-sum: Share the Wealth versus Monopolistic Triumph–the timid, lowly Hobbit versus the all powerful destroyer, wealth hoarding Smaug. I wonder how many would join the Radical, Revolutionary Church of the Actual Jesus, whose aim would be the levelling of society such that a rough equality be established, keeping in mind a similar group of Puritans known as The Levelers was decimated by Cromwell after they’d served their purpose during the English Civil War.
Oh well, enough about greed and dysfunctional cultures and their societies. It’s Thanksgiving, so we should give and be thankful.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2018 20:35 utc | 168

Dear Moon of A commenters,
as you near that special age, the age that your school district has set as the starting point for kindergarten
As you move from Special-Education Pre-K to Kindergarten
it’s time again to think in terms of transition.
For most children with special needs, this will mean a BIG transition
from a preschool program to a kindergarten program.
It may also involve a transition
from a partial day to a full day, from one school to another, or from one type of
educational plan to another:
And it will also involve learning Daily Lessons
Here is the first Daily Lesson you need to learn:
“There is no Jewish race or Jewish people. There are only followers of the Jewish religion strewn all over the world.”
Got that? Now repeat after me.
Very good children. Now repeat it once again.
Okay, listen to this, now I’m going to tell you about those evil men called Not-Sees
If a Not-See bad man comes up to you and tries to give you Kevin B. MacDonald’s 3 volume book Culture of Critique
Or if a Not-See bad man tells you that evolutionary psychology provides the motivations behind Jewish group behavior and culture
If a Not-See bad man tells you that Jewish behavior and culture are the central causes of antisemitism and of alleged Jewish control and influence in government policy and political movements….
If a Not-See bad man tries to make you to question the Holocaust, the ONE and ONLY historical event of all human history, that NO ONE is allowed to question…. for instance, if a Not-See bad man says how terrible it is that 90 year old grandmothers are being locked up in cages in Germany for questioning the ONE and ONLY HISTORICAL THING no one is allowed to question, just to try and get you curious about it
DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM…
RUN AWAY, do not walk away…RUN AWAY!!!!
Good, now that’s my low-IQ goyim cattle, er, I mean that’s my special ed children….
listen up!
Now that you’ve learned today’s lesson, let’s take a break
Let’s have some fun singing along with
(((Prof. Shlomo Sand)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS797lGsa2M

Posted by: (((debsisalive))) | Nov 21 2018 21:13 utc | 169

@169 karlof1
I think we learn our culture in school and we maintain it through our media. I think culture remains the greatest governor of what we think and how we act. I also think there are actors who have tampered with our cultures for many, many decades, and gradually the control over media and education has become powerfully leveraged from behind the scenes until we have what we see today in the US and elsewhere: people with no coherence in what they believe and think. And I think a lot of this is deliberate, kind of an ongoing dynamic psy-op.
I’m not saying anything new or different from what is discussed here daily.
In my earlier posts I was presenting my view that we all have the capacity to become completely different people, even betraying our deepest instincts, given enough persuasion. Krishna told Arjuna that a person from any height can always slip, and fall, all the way to hell. Anything less than the Buddha’s enlightenment is not safe, for any of us.
The point is that we contain all of these possibilities, and we are whoever we are at this moment, largely from influences and susceptibilities that we agree with. But large positions are made up of small things, and over time, with enough of the small things changing, our positions can alter radically.
And I do think it’s valuable to accept that people are changeable at all times, rather than thinking that we, as people, are ascending or descending a certain upward or downward path. I think we should look to our cultures as ascending or descending certain paths.
We live in an age when people in power have discovered how to change the culture. So we are going to have to hone our discernment to see this. And we’re going to have to change the culture in response. Many of the political memes and themes we discuss here are part of this struggle. I think a lot of the disintegration of character and morality in individuals is brought about deliberately through subverting the culture.
I’ve shared before a few lines that I read once, from a source I don’t know, that seem very true to me:
Be careful with your words.
Words become actions.
Actions become habits.
Habits become character.
I would say, further to your comment, that for the most part it is our culture that gives us our words.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 21 2018 23:28 utc | 170

Grieved @171–
Thanks for your reply! Odd that the historians delegated culture to the anthropologists, so I had to major in both. Your concluding sentence, “I would say, further to your comment, that for the most part it is our culture that gives us our words,” is straight from Linguistics 101. Oddly enough, that’s also a separate field of study! When I was at university, I bemoaned academic reductionism since it was clear that to genuinely become educated I would need to excel at all the so-called Social Sciences, and that strategy has served me well.
Enjoy your Thanksgiving!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 22 2018 1:08 utc | 171

@ Grieved and Karlof1 with the arc of culture/greed discussion
Keep flapping your wings fellow butterflies and we will change the world…
The evolution of culture varies from place to place. If we generalize about the West we can refer to paganism, Greek and Roman mythology and then the various monotheistic religions as “managers” of culture from the “spiritual” side. Other contributors to culture are the application of evolving science and lets not forget the cultural implications of everyone belonging to the God of Mammon lifeblood of social management meme.
So I am going to say there are 3 major contributors to culture,
1. spiritual,
2. evolving applied science and
3. social management.
1. The problem I see with the spiritual component is that the social management group consorted with the monotheistic folks back in the Enlightenment period and humanity still does not use reason and logic to govern itself over the ongoing insinuation of faith motivated social actions (birth control, etc.). I am fine with taking the good parts of the monotheistic religions and creating thoughtful myth but rail at the ongoing faith based social control by the believers. I like what I am reading about how China is restricting ALL religions to not influence government organized social order….I think that is a good thing for secular government.
2. Applied science is neutral but the application of it are anything but neutral and applied science will continue to evolve and provide opportunity to move society as needed if there is social will.
3. Social management of the West is based on God of Mammon principles as I have railed about on this forum for years (thanks b). The elite that own global private finance gives us social class levels evolving from ongoing inequality. The same elite and their tools set the incentives by which all governments and cultures must interface commercially and at the same time use the tools to enslave all. So far their application of applied social science has kept them operating below the radar of most folks but the old ways of Might-Makes_Right have reached their limit. So the West goes nuclear or shudders into a multipolar world.
That shudder part is a big unknown and is dependent on how the western empire continues to collapse
…..slowly and then all of a sudden. I think the all of a sudden part, or at least a major step towards it, is now on our event horizon.
Hopefully someday soon society will decide what aspects of our lives should be provided socialistically (water, communication, transportation, education, health care, ???) and which aspects should be provided competitively…..and how to continue to evolve the mix.
To even to be able to discuss that globally would mean that society has cast off the jackboot of social management being controlled by an unrepresentative elite….may I live to see the day.
There are those that want revenge on the elite and I am not one of them in spite of all the ongoing wrong done to humanity. Might-Makes-Right needs to be deprecated as a childish behavior of our evolving species along with the faith based social control….Mammon and the rest.
I believe that humanity is capable of going to the stars someday but we need to heal ourselves and hopefully our planet from centuries of crude direction.
The US Founding Fathers were big culture thinkers in spite of their behaviors which today we find reprehensible. One of their culture thoughts/actions which I admire is the original US motto of E Pluribus Unum or Out of many, One. Historians can argue about dates that represent turning points in American culture and to me the action in the early 1950’s to change the US motto to In God we Trust is a major one……no longer a secular republic.
In closing I will share an old futurist cultural dig….Hey buddy, can you paradigm?
Best of the holidays to b and all MoA barflies !!!!!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 22 2018 2:40 utc | 172

thanks grieved, karlof1 and psychohistorian, for these last few posts… it is uplifting.. on that note – happy thanksgiving to my american friends who seek greater consciousness and understanding in our world today…

Posted by: james | Nov 22 2018 2:51 utc | 173

It’s time once again to pop in a blurb for Jane Jacobs, the American urban planner, city explainer, practical activist and culture-exploring goddess. Her self-taught understanding of cities, people and their needs, failures and successes are put forth in dozens of books published in the late 20th and early 21st century. She rocks.
Here’s a blurb from a wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Age_Ahead) about her last book, 2004, Dark Age Ahead. The book itself is available for free from the Open Library at https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL29371A/Jane_Jacobs.
“Jacobs argued that modern political and economic ideologies were in effect no different from those dominant in Western civilization’s past Dark Ages, such as Middle Age Roman Catholicism. In both cases, she claimed, the dominant ideology prevented and discouraged people from finding rational and scientifically verifiable explanations and solutions.

Community and Family
People are increasingly choosing consumerism over family welfare, that is: consumption over fertility; debt over family budget discipline; fiscal advantage to oneself at the expense of community welfare.
Higher Education
Universities are more interested in credentials than providing high quality education.
Bad Science
Elevation of economics as the main “science” to consider in making major political decisions.
Bad Government
Governments are more interested in deep-pocket interest groups than the welfare of the population.
Bad Culture
A culture that prevents people from understanding the deterioration of fundamental physical resources on which the entire community depends.”
Another good read is Systems Of Survival. In this book she unravels the two main castes or cultures in human society: Guardians and Merchants. Merchants make deals, guardians enforce laws. It’s excellent for buyers and sellers to bargain and explore options, that is where innovation comes from. On the other hand, it is bad for guardians such as police or politicians to make deals, those would be bribes or cronyism.
The book is written as a Socratic dialog so it’s a different read but the ideas are sound and in fact fundamental to understanding how our society has been perverted by the cross-pollination of guardian and commercial values.
There’s a free PDF download of Jane Jacobs’ Systems Of Survival at AllBookServe.org.

Posted by: jonku | Nov 22 2018 4:30 utc | 174

Middle America is facing a determined and pervasive attack from criminal outsiders who want to destroy their way of life with an endless campaign of corruption.
You’ve probably already guessed who I’m talking about. That’s correct. “Not-sees.”
Oh yeah, the hitlerites are out there, scrawling incorrectly made fascist symbols into the newly fallen snow, the ultimate display of “White supremacy.” We really need to give up more of our freedoms so this will never happen again.
Police are asking for the public’s help to determine who carved swastikas in the snow last Thursday. 
This is not a joke. We need to devote police resources to this literal snow job. Turn in your neighbor! I don’t know if he’s the one you want, but I heard him saying bad things about “African-Americans,” once. You better arrest him, just in case.
The department tweeted out this image saying two swastikas were discovered at the Vicino on the Lake apartment complex at around 7pm
They were eight-feet wide by eight feet high.
Police are working with the FBI to find the people or person who carved them in the snow.
Let’s get the federal creep state involved, too. Maybe use a few of our “nukes” to flush out the goose-stepping snow bunnies. 
They want anyone who saw suspicious activity in the area to call Creve Coeur, Missouri Police at: 314-872-2543.
Be on the watch for crime think or face crime. It could easily be a nawrtzee disguised as a good little barcode. Regulate your own behavior. Develop the American Look. Live in fear.
https://fox2now.com/2018/11/16/swastikas-carved-in-snow-at-creve-coeur-apartments/

Posted by: (((debsisalive))) | Nov 22 2018 5:03 utc | 175

(((debsisinpurgatory))) @ 176
What you describe sounds like yet another heinous abuse by the White Powder Movement….

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 22 2018 6:54 utc | 176

Donkeyshill, I didn’t change my question at all. I asked in what way Dembots like yourself oppose actual Trump/Republican policy. Both times you give nothing but fake answers. If anything today’s Democrats more fervently hate Assange and want to destroy him than the Reps do. Certainly the most rabid rhetoric has come from the fake “Resistance”.
Explain your Menendez leading a cavalcade of Democrats demanding the Trump administration pressure Ecuador to hand over Assange.
https://www.menendez.senate.gov/news-and-events/press/in-advance-of-vp-pences-trip-to-ecuador-menendez-leads-letter-encouraging-advancement-of-bilateral-relations-and-expressing-concern-about-continued-support-for-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange
That’s a typical example of your Democrats, not Republicans, taking the public lead against Assange.
And of course the police state measure you cite is firmly within the mainstream of the police state/police murder trend which is an unbroken consensus policy trend for decades now, the prior milestone being Obama’s formal declaration that he could order the murder of US citizens anywhere in the world. What’s the qualitative leap from that to what you’re now claiming to oppose?
And of course you don’t answer why a non-Dembot would be insisting so moronically that the Democrats are different from/better than the Republicans.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 22 2018 7:04 utc | 177

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 21, 2018 9:40:16 PM | 173
“Applied science is neutral but the application of it are anything but neutral and applied science will continue to evolve and provide opportunity to move society as needed if there is social will.”
No science, and “applied” least of all, ever is neutral. At any time there are effectively infinite paths of scientific inquiry of which only a minuscule fraction can be pursued with society’s limited resources, and social elites choose which of these to fund. Needless to say they make these choices based on their own profit and power goals.
The same is even more true for subsequent technological development (“applied science”) based on this scientific research.*
Of course under the modern corporate science paradigm, science itself is defined as research which helps develop corporate-controlled and military technology. This is how academia and the mainstream scientific establishment, and of course all funding organizations, view science as such.
*In practice, much of the technology is developed not in tandem with any bona fide “science” but through brute force empiricism, often in defiance of the actual science. Genetic engineering might be the best example.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 22 2018 7:14 utc | 178

@173 psychohistorian
Nice deconstruction, thanks.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 22 2018 18:14 utc | 179