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November 13, 2018

The Short War With Gaza Exposed Israel's Weakness - Updated

Updated below

Last week a ceasefire was agreed upon between Palestinian factions in Gaza and Israel:

The aim of the change, in a plan mediated by Egypt and with money supplied by Qatar, is to provide much-needed relief for Gaza, restore calm on the Israeli side of the border and avert another war.

On Sunday night Israeli special forces broke the ceasefire by invading Gaza under disguise. Such incursions happen quite often but are usually left unreported. The invaders wore civilian clothing and some were cloaked as women. Their cars arrived at the house of a local Qassam commander but suspicious guards held them up. A firefight ensued in which 7 Palestinians and 1 Israeli officer were killed. It is not clear what the intent of the Israeli raid was. A car left behind held what appeared to be surveillance equipment. The intruders fled back to Israel.

It is likely that rivalry within the Israeli government was behind this provocation:

[T]he perception that Israel, by allowing the fuel and cash shipments into Gaza, was paying off Hamas set off acrimonious wrangling between two rival right-wing members of Israel’s security cabinet.

Earlier Sunday, Education Minister Naftali Bennett called the cash infusion “protection money.” Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman accused Mr. Bennett of having supported such payments and of having opposed in recent weeks the more aggressive military reprisals against Hamas that Mr. Lieberman favored.
By night’s end Mr. Netanyahu had cut short his trip [to Paris] and was flying back to Israel in response to the Gaza hostilities.

Did Lieberman order the incursion to undercut Netanyahoo ceasefire and his rival Bennet?

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The breach of the ceasefire by Israel set off another round of tit for tat strikes. A commando unit of Hamas' Qassam brigade launched an attack against a bus that had carried Israeli soldiers to the border. To avoid further escalation the shooter waited until the soldiers were out of the way before hitting it. Only the driver was injured. Then the Israeli air force destroyed the al-Aqsa TV station in Gaza city after notifying the Palestinians of its intent. It also damaged a university building. Rocket volleys from Gaza followed and the Israeli air-force hit several buildings. After 48 hours the ceasefire was renewed.

During the conflict the Palestinian side demonstrated a series of new capabilities:

  • The Palestinian command published a video of the strike against the bus by a Kornet anti-tank guided missile (ATGM). Since it lost dozens of tanks to ATGM attacks in the 2006 war against Hezbullah in Lebanon, the Israeli army is extremely afraid of such missiles. The arrival of these weapons in the besieged Gaza will be a serious concern.
  • The Palestinians also launched over 460 artillery missiles and mortars within 25 hours. This by far exceeds the firing rate during Israel's 2014 war on the Gaza strip. Some of these missiles had a larger range then previous models. Israel's Iron Dome missile defense systems fired some 100 missiles but their accuracy is questionable and teh price high. Each Iron Dome missile costs some $65,000 while a mortar round or rocket costs a few hundred dollar. Many of the Palestinian rockets reached their targets in the Zionist settlements Ashkelon, Netivot, and Sderot.
  • Israel announced only two hits on missile launching cells. It seems that the Palestinians have perfected their camouflage and remote firing capabilities.
  • The rival Palestinian groups in Gaza -Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others- operated under a central command. No group claimed missile strikes for itself. In the past each volley of missiles was followed by a news statement in which this or that group claimed responsibility. This time all groups worked from a common operations room. None released responsibility claims or other information that would help Israel's intelligence.

It was Israel that practically begged to return to the ceasefire. Egypt led the negotiations:

Earlier Tuesday, the Political-Security Cabinet meeting that convened following the escalation in the south came to a halt after seven hours. After hearing the army's and the security establishment's assessments, the cabinet instructed the IDF to continue to operate in Gaza as necessary.

All the officials from the defense establishment who participated in the cabinet meeting — IDF chief of staff, the head of Military Intelligence, the head of the Shin Bet, the head of the Mossad, and the head of the NSC— supported the Egyptian request for a cease-fire.
"If we had intensified the attacks, rockets would have been fired at Tel Aviv," senior cabinet officials said.

Since 15:30 local time today the situation is again quiet and calm. But the squabbling within the Israeli cabinet immediately resumed:

All the ministers— including Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Minister Naftali Bennett—did not object to a cease fire.

Following this report, the Defense Ministry said that Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman's support of a cease-fire deal were "fake news." The statement said that the Defense Minister's position was consistent and had not changed. Ministers Naftali Bennett, Ayelet Shaked and Ze'ev Elkin also said they did not support a cease-fire deal with Hamas.

In total 13 people were killed in Gaza and at least 2 on the Israeli side. A Hamas spokesperson accused Lieberman of being responsible for the breach of the ceasefire and demanded that Netanyahoo fires him.

The short conflict demonstrated that:

  • Israel is deterred. It does not want to launch another war on Gaza.
  • The siege of Gaza, by Israel, Egypt and by the Palestinian authority under Mahmoud Abbas, failed. The reputational cost of the siege became too high after Israel killed some 160 Palestinians during weekly protests along the demarcation fence. It had to allow diesel fuel and money from Qatar to reach Gaza.
  • The siege failed to prevent that Islamic Jihad, Hamas and other groups acquired a larger number of missiles and other new capabilities.
  • The Palestinians in Gaza are united. The resistance against the occupation is alive and well.

For decades the Zionist entity was able to attack its neighbors as it pleased. That changed. It no longer dares to step into Lebanon for fear of Hezbullah's reprisal. Syria's western airspace is closed for Israel thanks to the new S-300PMU2 air defense Russia delivered to the Syrian army. Israeli special forces botched their incursion into Gaza and the Iron Dome missile defense proved to be to faulty to protect Zionist settlements. The resistance in Gaza has new capabilities and surprises for Israel should it again attack. 

Israel's newly won "friends" in the leadership of Saudi Arabia and the UAE proved to be unstable and of little value. The Boycott, divest and sanctions movement against the self declared apartheid state has undermined its image. Its lobby has been exposed. Its budget deficit is too high.

The short conflict in Gaza only demonstrated that Israel is weak and that its downward trend continues.

Update Nov 14, 10:00 UTC

Israel's Defense Minister Avigor Lieberman just resigned and called for new elections. He gives the Qatari money which Netanyahoo allowed to go to Gaza and yesterday's ceasefire as reason for his disagreement with Netanyahoo.

Netanyahoo had planned the earlier ceasefire with Gaza to split Gaza under Hamas from the Palestinian Authority under Abbas in the West Bank. Yesterday the Saudis handed another chunk of money to Abbas to counter the money Qatar gave to Hamas in Gaza.

This splitting of the Palestinians is an intended part of the Kushner plan.

Lieberman disagrees with it. He is the super hawkish John Bolton in this game, overtaking Netanyahoo on the far far right.

Netanyahoo wants to avoid an early election. His Likud party just lost seats in local elections and he is afraid of a campaign that would play out over Gaza and his newly dovish stand over the latest conflict.

But with only a two seat majority in an unstable coalition Netanyahoo will have trouble to hold on.

Just as I wrote the above update, Naftali Bennett, the leader of the rightwing religious Jewish Home party, demanded to be made Defense Minister. Netanyahoo will dislike this. He does not want to give Bennet such a high profile job. But Bennett will resign and bring the coalition down if he does not get his will.

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The Israeli army is cr*p these days, only capable of shooting down unarmed Palestinians. No-one wants to spend their lives fighting, ready to go off to war at any moment, rather than living normal Western lives. That probably had something to do with the failure of the original raid - they left behind their (specially equipped) car, did they? Only the air force is any good, and, lo and behold, it had to be brought in to recover the situation. Pat Lang is right on this one.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 13 2018 20:20 utc | 1

This appears to be a planted explosive after the bus was emptied out -- except for the driver who was sacrificed. It certainly does not look like a Kornet as shown in this video.

Posted by: LJ | Nov 13 2018 20:24 utc | 2

Thanks for the journalism not found anywhere else b

The West house of cards is self destructing before our eyes. It is way past time, IMO I just hope that global public finance comes with the change.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2018 20:56 utc | 3

The sooner israel returns to being Palestine, where jewish folks who want to live in the ME can do so in peace with their neighbours, the better. The violent murderous destructive settler ethnics please go home, ta.

Posted by: Sadness | Nov 13 2018 21:01 utc | 4

The hornet attack on the bus is in all likelyhood faked, around 26 seconds in you tube video at least 8 IDF are at the front of the bus chatting, at around 46 seconds they are gone. We hear the sound of the missile being fired but are unable to see it tracking the target as it moves in.

Posted by: In MC doo | Nov 13 2018 21:07 utc | 5

very nice perspective, b, very good. thanks.

and for all those asshats out there who think that uncle sam is israel's bitch, well…

live and learn.

Posted by: john | Nov 13 2018 21:18 utc | 6


This Video is probably and most assuredly a Houthi destruction of a SA tank.
It has nothing to do with the Israeli bus.

Posted by: CarlD | Nov 13 2018 21:26 utc | 7

If fear for Tel Aviv was a motivation, an additional conclusion might be the Israeli's have little real faith in their Iron Dome -- no?
Where is Iran in this story, that Lieberman is so keen on?

Posted by: bjd | Nov 13 2018 21:26 utc | 8

LJ @2.

There is a difference. The cameraman in the Abrams shot is close to the launcher and to the line of fire so the ATGM rocket motor exhaust is clearly visible. In the IDF shot, the cameraman could be well away from the launch, even at right angles to its line of flight, totally hiding the rocket motor. That said, it would be even more gutsy to have placed an IED where the IDF was likely to gather and much cheaper. The ATGMs are more valuable against IDF armor.

$1 million of US taxpayer money going up in smoke just like that.

Hamas - bringing the US closer to bankruptcy $10 bottle rocket by $10 bottle rocket.

Posted by: Yonatan | Nov 13 2018 21:28 utc | 9

The Zionists politically unified the Gaza defense factions for the first time, which is a very important development that needed to occur long ago. The Zionist's response to perform a War Crime fits their behavioral norm to a Tee. If the 1973 War were to be waged again using today's forces, it's likely Zionistan would lose. The Cabinet infighting mirrors the growing divide within Zionistan's polity. Unfortunately, that divide doesn't seem to be producing an alternative political party that's anti-Apartheid and favors a One State solution. Hard to argue with b's concluding assessment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2018 21:37 utc | 10

reply to
This appears to be a planted explosive after the bus was emptied out -- except for the driver who was sacrificed. It certainly does not look like a Kornet as shown in this video.
Posted by: LJ | Nov 13, 2018 3:24:00 PM | 2
I agree, I think this was an Israeli False Flag to justify an invasion and I agree it is a bomb beneath the bus.
A Kornet has a distinctive undulating pattern and leaves a smoke trail, for example:
here is what a Kornet looks like hitting something:

Posted by: frances | Nov 13 2018 22:11 utc | 11

thanks b... it sounds like none of the israeli politicians want to own up to wanting a ceasefire.. why is that? is the idea of projecting strength and agressiveness the only posture israel can take for the majority israel religious orthodox voting public??

as b notes, israels situation is becoming more difficult for a number of reasons.. i see on mondoweiss, another article that highlights the continuation of policies that will come back to bite israel in the ass.. A familiar invasion: Settlers take another mountain top, soldiers follow, and Palestinians demonstrate for their rights...

@6 john... i am curious... it sure looks to me like the usa is israels bitch... it's not just usa either.. one could include canada, australia, uk and all the western poodles too... how does this event appear to make it look any different to you? thanks..

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2018 22:19 utc | 12

The US and Israel are doing their best to encourage a multi-polar world able to oppose their reckless actions, although there's still a long way to go. The sooner both nations start to behave in a more circumspect manner, the safer the world will be.

Posted by: worldblee | Nov 13 2018 22:22 utc | 13

@12 Yes, Francis. I agree. It's a bad fake, too.

Posted by: LJ | Nov 13 2018 23:36 utc | 14

I have often wondered how does the Israeli economy stay afloat. I am on the side of Israel. However it seems increasingly a losing side. To survive they have had to adopt increasingly harsh and embarrassing measures. The only way to achieve victory is to ethnically cleanse Arabs from the Middle East. The Heart of Darkness Rabbit Bomb Blues.

Posted by: steve | Nov 14 2018 0:31 utc | 15

@19 pp.. trump is no different.. hollywood and trump - 2 sides of the same coin.. both subservient to israel..

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2018 1:21 utc | 16

#18 - Gerard Butler hosted that event. His Malibu(?) house was just burned to the frame. Coincidence? I think not. He is all over social media whining about it and people are actually calling him out. Maybe there's some hope for us after all.

Posted by: sejomoje | Nov 14 2018 1:34 utc | 17

Adam & Steve @16 & @17

Palestinians already know that Israel plans a genocide. Palestinians know that they will not be helped by the west or any other country. Palestinians know that they have no voice and no way of countering the Israeli lobby. But where has this success really got you and Israel?

I suggest that you are pursuing a path that means doom for both Palestinian and Israeli. You imagine that you can get rid of Palestinians but lack the commonsense to see that this is impossible. You are building a future of (ever more) death and destruction.

There is another option (which you won't be interested in) and that is to change Israel from an apartheid state and grant equality to Palestinians (including the right of return and restitution of property).

That you two could post such loathsome views indicates that you are completely unaware that you are staring into an abyss that will consume both Palestinian and Israeli.

Never has Israel been so powerful and dominant and never has Israel's power seemed so impotent. Israel's nuclear weapons may deter other countries but they are useless against Palestinians unless Israel really wants to launch such weapons against itself.

You need to wake up to the idea that Palestinian and Israeli might have a future together and consider that the path you are following will bring a great tragedy to both sides.

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 14 2018 1:54 utc | 18

@ karlof1 10

My thoughts were identical - the single biggest development is the exhibited unity among the Palestinians. It does not spell good for the expansionist apartheid bankrupt state (just like all its bankrupt Western bitches).

I also support renaming Gaza into Auschwitz, that was a brilliantly symbolic idea.

Posted by: Kiza | Nov 14 2018 2:02 utc | 19

I am against renaming Gaza as Auschwitz. It is a transparent attempt to appeal to western/European sensitivities (which will not work), will be nothing more than a publicity stunt, and is a denial of the unique Palestinian experience.

Probably more people in the world know of Gaza than they do of Auschwitz.

Gaza is, and should remain, Gaza.

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 14 2018 2:22 utc | 20


You mentioned a few weeks ago that you will not tolerate any “anti-semitism” and yet such reverse racist drivel being posted by adam @17, or whatever this hasbaras name is, is allowed. I’ll chuck it up to the fact that you haven’t had time to review the posts yet.

I have always held MoB in the highest esteem for a forum of intellectual discussion and smart exchange of ideas. Not this utter garbage posted by this racist individual. I hope a double standard does not exist here and you enforce a civilized decorum.

Posted by: Alpi | Nov 14 2018 2:52 utc | 21

@22 ADKC

Thank you for putting that into words.

The two entities are joined in an intimate embrace of destiny from which it seems that no single side can emerge alone. How futile that Israel cannot see that its best chance to emerge as a nation, or at least as a people, is now, and that every day it seeks to further reduce Palestine it furthers its own diminishing.

What will become of Israel? How will the region deal with it as, over time, it is increasingly defeated and forced to supply proofs that it deserves to exist? What answer will it make, as it throws away all semblance of community?

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 14 2018 2:57 utc | 22

@19 pp.. trump is no different.. hollywood and trump - 2 sides of the same coin.. both subservient to israel..
Posted by: james | Nov 13, 2018 8:21:21 PM | 20

Well that's wrong.
Trump can read the Zio-Jews like a book. They're so-o predictably evil and stupid. His unlawful and MEANINGLESS recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of "Israel" encouraged them to put their mass-murdering skills on display while the civilised world watched in horror and revulsion.

As b points out, Lebanon has long been too dangerous for their peculiarly wussy brand of courage, Syria is now off-limits, and now the Powerless Palestinians have made them re-think their aggressive idiocy. The fact that they've always been their own worst enemy is rapidly coming home to roost...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 14 2018 3:19 utc | 23

Hoarsewhisperer 27

Israel is the land of Ivanka and Kissinger. I think US vetos at the UNSC will continue. US embassy is now at Jerusalem and Trump has declared it the capital of Israel.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 14 2018 4:17 utc | 24

@25 alpi... there is a poster who regularly changes names here (always writes in lower case like me) and while they may think they are just being funny - in fact, sometimes what they say is so ridiculous it is funny - other times it is straight hasbara can take there pick.. the consistent part is that it is stupid shit that has no place at moa, but b seems to ignore it.. actually b tells us to ignore the trolls.. something to consider especially with this buffoon who changes names, even uses mine - regularly.

@27 hw... we have to disagree then... israels mass-murdering skills have been on display prior to and during trumps position.. nothing has changed with regard to israels attitude, trump or no trump.. and frankly trump could give a shit.. the money continues to flow to israel and usa subservience continues... i wish it was different, but i am not into some pipe dream in thinking trump has made any difference..he hasn't.. you have much greater faith in trump then i..

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2018 4:17 utc | 25

@27 hw... you will have to wait for my response when b clears it..

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2018 4:17 utc | 26

@james 29

Then I guess we should ignore the anti-semites as well........not really. Just can’t stand these idiots get away with their BS on a daily basis in the name of victimhood.

Posted by: Alpi | Nov 14 2018 4:30 utc | 27

@29 james - "..b tells us to ignore the trolls"

My friend, this is the pure wisdom of the Internet, that has parsed this and sliced it every way possible, over decades now, and still concludes the same thing. Trolls will take the fiercest or most illuminated rebuttal as nothing but a score, and so they gain.

And as to the concept that we lay the record for those naive readers coming behind who are trying to follow the correct path of truth, try this:

There's a saying that it's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys. If everyone simply ignores the turkeys and soars with the eagles, then the newbies who follow the thread seeking the truth will soon understand that there are different flight paths, and that the ones that soar are the communications between the eagles, and the ones that stay on the ground are the ones with no correspondence except when the trolls talk to each other, but still fail to get off the ground.

And the unsparing reality is that the newbies and all truth-seekers have to learn this one fact and this one discipline, or they're not going to meet the necessary minimum standard. And neither I nor the Internet made this standard but all of the Internet agrees in the end that this is the necessary minimum if we are to have community.

Other people simply refer to this as critical thinking - the sign of citizenship in the global community.


ps..I know that turkeys can fly. And I think it's a sad thing that they are harvested to eat. I wish we could live just on water and vegetation, and enjoy the animals just to admire and be friends with, as many do. So it sounds trite, but I feel bad for the turkeys. But don't let that ruin a good metaphor ;)

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 14 2018 4:41 utc | 28

I'm about 6,000 miles away from the current excitement, and can't read any of the languages. So I've got to rely on second and third hand reports of everything. What I'm hearing through those slender grapevines is that there are bitter faction fights within the government of the apartheid Jewish State. Another factor is that none of the 'leaders' known to me are exactly oozing competence. When your major propaganda outlet starts whining about the stupidity, things aren't going well.

1) The S-300 air defense missiles Russia has deployed to Syria. Netanyahu’s brief chat with President Vladimir Putin in Paris on Sunday yielded no concurrence for the resumption of Israeli air strikes against Iran. It is now up to him to decide whether to take this as a Russian embargo on Israel overflights, or to go ahead and risk resuming those air strikes. In the worst case, the Israeli air force might have to operate on two fronts: Syria and Gaza.

No, that's not the worst case. Dozens of Russian cruise missiles skimming the treetops while heading for the air and naval bases of the Apartheid State is worse than that. Frankly, I doubt if the murderous and thieving little nation is capable of overcoming both the jamming and the S-300 systems. But what do I know? - if they manage to do it without killing any Russians, the Syrians will probably be reinforced with even heavier air defenses. Right now Syria is a lose/lose proposition.

2) Israel has tied its hands with an ultimatum to Beirut to shut down Iran’s workshops in Lebanon for adding precision-guidance to Hizballah’s surface missiles, or else face Israeli attacks to destroy them. There was no date on the ultimatum. But to carry it through, every ounce of Israel’s air force capabilities will be required. The question is how did Israel’s policy-makers failed to avoid a situation which paralyses its ability to operate against strategic foes in Syria and Lebanon?
Notice the despair. Who on earth was running his mouth with a promise to destroy those Hezbollah shops? Yet even that's a losing proposition, for Hezbollah is doubtlessly running many fakes and decoys, and keeping everything on such a small scale they'll be barely scratched, if touched at all. But could the pilots of the apartheid Jewish State do even this? I ask because I don't know the range of those Russian jamming devices. Hezbollah has every opportunity to set an ambush for incoming aircraft attacks. The F-35 may be low visibility in terms of radar, but it represents an enormous infra-red beacon. There are anti-air missiles in existence which are optimized for IR.

The final wild card is the Trumpster. He has been mighty erratic of late, and while he might do something wild and crazy, could the Jewish State rely on whatever-it-is he might do helping them? Could be just the opposite.

Is Trump Cracking Up? (Updated)

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Nov 14 2018 4:57 utc | 29

thanks alpi and grieved... - grieved - that was beautifully stated too.. thanks both of you..

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2018 5:01 utc | 30

@27 hw... you will have to wait for my response when b clears it..
Posted by: james | Nov 13, 2018 11:17:59 PM | 30

Do you ever consider saying nothing when you've got nothing to say?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 14 2018 5:39 utc | 31

@ Grieved with the internet interaction insight and wisdom....thanks and hope many read and understand your words.

@ Zachary Smith with the comment and question about Trump.

I see Trump as clearly representative of the global elite that are having to kill their current empire host without being certain of how they can live with or make China's socialism with a Chinese face be controlled by an ongoing world of global private finance.

Trump is their public face deal maker and I will agree with Peter AU 1 that Kissinger is the global elite's behind the scenes deal maker. I have written here before that Trump will default on US debt before he is out of office, IMO.

Can the global elite pressure the world's nations into their continued existence as the jackboot of global finance? Despite the wild and crazy of grifter Donald Trump I still believe that reason is about to triumph over faith in the hallowed halls of global finance......and Israel is the proxy front for that lost faith in monotheistic religions with better than others value, bias and use of victimization.

For me the only question is how long will the transition take and how ugly will it be?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2018 5:44 utc | 32

That the zionists literally begged for ceasefire is very good news. And as some roman leader said "Carthage ought o be destroyed". The sooner the better one might add too

Posted by: Hem Lock | Nov 14 2018 6:31 utc | 33

Steve @ 16:

If you really support Israel (as in, the people of Israel and not their corrupt government and elites), you'd be supporting a one-state solution in which Israelis and Palestinians live together in a secular state where no one religion is dominant with respect to funding and all religious organisations and charities in that state cannot be exempt from paying tax including property or land taxes. You'd be supporting a state that has an education system that believes in academic excellence and excellence in other areas (music, sport, community activities) and which pays its teachers decent wages.

You'd also support a state that cares for all its people and where 40% of children and 33% of families aren't forced to live below the poverty line. Furthermore you'd be supporting a state where 60% of the national wealth isn't concentrated in the hands of just 18 families.

But if you advocate self-destruction as the path to "victory", then Israel is certainly well down that road already spending money on unreliable US technology like the Iron Dome missile defence system when that money could be spent on education and infrastructure. Israel may have already passed the point of no return.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 14 2018 6:42 utc | 34

Lieberman will hold a press conference at noon (Israeli time). Rumor is that he will resign. Without his party the Netanyahoo government would have a coalition majority of only two votes. That would likely mean new elections.

Posted by: b | Nov 14 2018 8:10 utc | 35

- Russia delevered those Kornet missiles ?
- Israel is, as many other countries, highly indebted.
- The israeli government has given the israeli settlers in the West Bank LOTS of subsidies and those are weighing heavily on the israeli state budget.
- Israel is sitting on a demographic time bomb. The growth rate of the israeli population has been very high in the last say 4 to decades.

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 14 2018 9:10 utc | 36

@38 Jen, Israel "spent" nothing on US missile hardware - all US-made military hardware comes out of a $3billion-plus gift-voucher that they get every year from Uncle Sugar.

It is only redeemable for US weaponry. The Israelis can't say "Nah, we want to spend it on school books".

The Iron Dome is different, being nominally "Israeli" tech. But a huge chunk of it is bankrolled by, gosh, Uncle Sugar. What a surprise.

If anything Israel has MORE money to spend on their schools, precisely because it is the US taxpayer - not the Israeli taxpayer - who pays for all that "Israeli" military hardware.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 14 2018 10:11 utc | 37

it feels to me like things are circling the drain; who will be the next archduke ferdinand, to kick off the festivities?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 14 2018 10:19 utc | 38

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 14, 2018 5:19:38 AM | 42

"who will be the next archduke ferdinand, to kick off the festivities?"

It'll probably be something like a "limited" attack on Iran which will then escalate out of control.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 14 2018 10:34 utc | 39

james says:

it sure looks to me like the usa is israels bitch

well then, look at a map.

the symbiosis with uncle sam's favorite forward operating base is always less mutually beneficial.


and as an aside, i wonder how many of those no-account goobers, dual citizens and all, in congress are buying retirement homes in Ramat Givat Zeev?

Posted by: john | Nov 14 2018 10:42 utc | 40

Israel's Defense Minister Lieberman just resigned and calls for new elections. He gives the Qatari money to Gaza and the ceasefire as reason for disagreement with Netanyahoo.

Netanyahoo had planned the earlier ceasefire with Gaza to split Gaza from the Palestinian Authority under Abbas in the West Bank. The Saudis just handed another chunk of money to Abbas to counter the Qatari money in Gaza. All this is part of the Kushner plan. Lieberman disagrees with it. He is the Bolton in this game overtaking Netanyahoo on the far far right.

Netanyahoo's Likud wants to avoid elections. It just lost in the local elections and is afraid of a campaign that would play out over Gaza.

But with only a two seat majority in an unstable coalition Netanyahoo will have trouble to hold on.

Posted by: b | Nov 14 2018 11:20 utc | 41

b has already given the news. Here is the link with Libermann's main quotes:

Posted by: vk | Nov 14 2018 11:25 utc | 42

A point is missing here in the narrative. The targeted assassination incursion started less than 24 hours after the Saudis had answered F Off to their US pimps and renewed the attacks on al Hodeyda. Netanyahu left the Paris folks to their yummy dinners and returned to take direct control of the well-prepared smokescreen nicely organized for their theocratic new friends in the South.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 14 2018 11:29 utc | 43

Just updated the piece above with some thoughts on today's fall of the Netanyahoo government.

Posted by: b | Nov 14 2018 11:40 utc | 44

Netanyahoo's own policy of extreme aggression, ethnic cleansing and apartheid helped open political space for out-and-out genocidists like Lieberman. Looks like the Zionists are going to go all the way, total exterminationist victory or total self-destruction.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 14 2018 12:10 utc | 45

Talking about Zionists & Reckless Stupidity, Oz's neocon/neolib PM, Scott Morrison, collided with an ideological brick wall today when he met with Indonesia's Prez to finalise arrangements to sign a huge Indo-Oz trade agreement. However, Indonesia, the largest Muslim country on Earth, made it clear to ScoMo that unless Oz abandons ScoMo's scheme to move Oz's "Israel" Embassy to Jerusalem, Indonesia will walk away from the agreement.
ScoMo (Mr foot-in-mouth) has given himself until the end of 2018 to dream up an appropriately asinine response...
Tough Guy ScoMo's insular dorkiness and ineptitude is going to make Oz a laughing stock on the world stage.
And, in a funny kind of way, we deserve it/him.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 14 2018 13:57 utc | 46

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 14, 2018 8:57:15 AM | 50

Australia has no choice but to tell the Muslim Bully to go fuck themselves and come back when they want an FTA without preexisting religious conditions. If Jerusalem is more important to Jakarta than and FTA, then so be it.

Posted by: Northern Observer | Nov 14 2018 14:32 utc | 47

This Avigdor Lieberman is close to Putin, isn't he.

You could argue that the likes of Lieberman is damaging to Israeli cohesion.

What's Putin's game with Israel/Palestine?

Posted by: Noggin the Nog | Nov 14 2018 14:33 utc | 48

what evidence do you have that lieberman is close to putin?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 14 2018 14:51 utc | 49

pretzelattack @53

"After the 2011 Duma election, in which Russian President Vladimir Putin's party United Russia won, Lieberman was the first international politician to describe them as "absolutely fair, free and democratic".[118][119] Putin has described Lieberman's own political career as "brilliant".[120] Lieberman's pro-Russian stance and perceived friendly relations with Putin have also drawn criticism from fellow Israelis.[121] Controversy also emerged when it was revealed that a chairman of Lieberman's party, Leon Litinetski, was also employed by the Russian government, as a chairman of the Coordinating Council of Russian Compatriots, a position appointed by the Kremlin.[122]"

I'm interested in how the influx of Russians, who powered the Right in Israel, have made Israel even nuttier than it was before the 90s.

Posted by: Noggin the Nog | Nov 14 2018 15:01 utc | 50

@b you allow commets like noam to appear on your blog? While you were spewing about racism against jews. That speaks louder than any words. Good night and adieu. Hypocrites

Posted by: Occidentosis | Nov 14 2018 15:06 utc | 51

Posted by: Northern Observer | Nov 14, 2018 9:32:40 AM | 51
(Tell the Indons to GFT)

Indonesians obviously know more about Oz politics than Northern Observer. They know, for example, that ScoMo didn't consult anyone before announcing his silly Jerusalem scheme - during the recent by-election*. Even *Wentworth's Jews thought (and said) it smacked of recklessness and desperation.
And it didn't work. The Lib candidate lost, thanks to ScoMo's 'help'.

He's an empty vessel. Annabel Crabb interviewed him on Oct 28, 2015 in an episode of her Kitchen Cabinet series on There's a Wiki entry on Kitchen Cabinet and all of the episodes are on the www.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 14 2018 15:18 utc | 52

Northern Observer @51

Well, I would say, should the religious conviction of the "Muslim Bully" prevent signing a free trade agreement, which will be undoubtably detrimental for its people, then, finally, religion did something good. Isn't it?

Posted by: Cemi | Nov 14 2018 15:19 utc | 53

Magnier seems to think Nutty's truce come about courtesy of the Kornet missile fired by the Palestinians rather than the Kushner plan. However after b's comments and update, the trolls are out in full force.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 14 2018 15:47 utc | 54

Jen @38,

It's amazing. I didn't know whether you were describing Israel or the good ol'' US of A! The parallels are eerie.

Posted by: WJ | Nov 14 2018 15:47 utc | 55

Hoarsewhisperer 50

Since Abbott and his anglo-sphere, Australia has been shitting in its own nest. We did so to a certain extent before that, but nothing like what is happening now. Extremely anti Asian, over the top pro Israel and anglo five eyes.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 14 2018 16:11 utc | 56

It would certainly be interesting to watch Lieberman addressing AIPAC. He doesn't seem to have quite the same appeal as Netanyahu.

"Trips abroad play to Netanyahu's strengths, and trips to Washington these days – in the era of a friendly and supportive president – even more so. These trips frame Netanyahu as the quintessential statesman. The optics of the prime minister addressing AIPAC and then sitting in the Oval Office next to a warm and supportive president can only help him at the polls back home."

Posted by: dh | Nov 14 2018 16:14 utc | 57

USA ain't no superpower. The USA is israel's prime bitch - it just blocked the Security Council calls fro action on the zionist murder spree in GAZA. The Other secondary bitches (UK; Canada, Australia, France, Germany etc) they too follow their pump - Israel.

Posted by: Hem Lock | Nov 14 2018 16:17 utc | 58

Lieberman resigned?!!

I first heard that here.

I'm assuming this is a power-play, much like Boris Johnson resigning. Like May, Netan-nyah-nyah is seriously damaged goods, although May has no judicial proceedings against her or her 'wife'.

If there's any justice, Netan-nyah-nyah will be in jail soon, like previous corrupt Israeli Presidents. So should the Clinton's, who are as corrupt as anyone still alive and walking. Really, how is it someone can take $US2billion in aid to Haiti, and have 98% of that taken up in 'management fees'?

Posted by: Ant. | Nov 14 2018 16:31 utc | 59

Jen @38

Your comment has got me thinking. The smart thing for Israel to do would be to embrace "diversity" and name a few 'well-spoken' 'intelligent' Palestinians to cabinet posts, industry boards, and so on. Then, open up Gaza but make sure at the same time to pass and enforce draconian drug laws among the Palestinian population. Then pass laws removing the right to vote from convicted criminals (ie Palestinians). In this way you can achieve apartheid results without apartheid rhetoric. This is what we've done in the USA and it's worked out pretty well. Nobody claims we're an apartheid state, even though de facto we are. Just a pro tip for the Likud to mull over.

Posted by: WJ | Nov 14 2018 16:33 utc | 60>Press-TV has the best video I can find. At 1:05 you can see two frames where the shadow of the missile can be seen traveling from right to left, passing just over the bus tail-light. So it was a missile, but it is hard to say if it was a Kornet.

The bright light on the back of the Kornet missile is not the motor, it is the laser reflector used for missile homing. That can only be seen in a small area around the launch point.

Posted by: Gaijin | Nov 14 2018 16:52 utc | 61

Sorry, the link was broken: Press-TV

Posted by: Gaijin | Nov 14 2018 16:53 utc | 62

Occasionally, Chomsky contributes something useful to the debate. Unfortunately, this item was removed from RT's main page instead of remaining there most of the day as most of its items do. Yes, the topic is "sensitive" but the description is very apt: "Warning that occupation is turning Israeli Jews into Judeo-Nazis very relevant – Chomsky," although the bolded term isn't Chomsky's: [My Emphasis]

"The term was coined by Jewish Israeli iconoclastic intellectual Yeshayahu Leibowitz, who was arguing against Israel holding on to territories it occupied after the 1967 war with Arab nations."

Of course, you'd never see such a truism published by BigLie Media, so RT must be applauded for being somewhat bold. Of all the positive events I'd like to witness before my demise, the fall of Zionistan and its becoming Palestine again tops my list as so much becomes possible not just regionally but globally with the removal of the biggest impediment to global peace next to the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2018 16:58 utc | 63

What a thread! Congratulations and thanks to the blog owner for providing
such insight. The information is superlative. I have no idea how he does it.

What do I know? What could I possibly contribute to this dialog, except for my pet crackpot theory
that MBS be arrested and tried under RICO for having the torture-chief sawed-up while still alive?

Whilst the Palestinian people are to be given charge to protect the holy shrines of Mecca and Medina
and invited to migrate to what used to be called Saudi Arabia in order to get the economy there going.

Posted by: Guerrero | Nov 14 2018 16:58 utc | 64

Oh ho!

It seems Avigdor Lieberman has furiously resigned because Netan-nyah-nyah is not hawkish enough! How amazing is that? Did not continue a pretend military conflict, as MoA has pointed out. Wants a conflict, cannot understand just how bad a mistake this would be.

Such is the kind of 'leadership' Lieberman represents. Is he channelling John McCain?

Unfortunately, the concept of diplomacy seems long gone... let's forget the Oslo Accords, which betrayed the Palestinian people for nothing more than political recognition of the PLO... It didn't work, Yasser Arafat got poisoned anyway (died a billionaire!), and HAMAS is all but the government in the Gaza Strip anyway.

PLO is a joke. There's a reason elections in Palestine are limited to the West Bank. They are not popular, PLO leadership are quislings, out for their own benefit, like most 'democratic' power structures.

Posted by: Ant. | Nov 14 2018 17:09 utc | 65

Re my comment @ 60. I re-read b's full piece and see there is no contradiction between b's take and Magnier's comment on the Kornet missile.
Anyway, lots of work for the trolls in damage mitigation here.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 14 2018 17:11 utc | 66

@Gerard Butler — pay attention to real thing. His movie (he is producer) Hunter Killer was viciously attacked by
the Hollywood elite. The movie managed to fool everyone, including Pentagon that supported it
by being the most chilling reminder of the dangerous times we live in. Without blaming anyone,
and wrapping it in an action movie format — it is the best antiwar movie I saw in recent memory.
By calling Russians “brothers” and by weaving a plot of our heroism — the bitter pill that
without help from Russian characters, including Russian destroyer’s missile defence, action would have been doomed.

The deeper message of global vulnerability that only common humanity can save —is perhaps lost
to average viewer.

Holywood always kept this actor on the margins — talened usually are. But with the mivie
he had shown skills of sabotaging the system of controls that police our cultural space.

Now they will shred him. But he is clever, and will fight their game with the very tools they use.

We need to pay attention — not all is what aplears to be.

Posted by: Bianca | Nov 14 2018 17:11 utc | 67

@ 55 fair enough. i'm surprised, i thought the right wing jewish immigrants from russia opposed putin by and large.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 14 2018 17:20 utc | 68

Well, Liebermann wanted to go to war, that's why he resigned. And Netanyahu didn't (unusually for him). The obvious reason why not, is that military advice was holding him back. The state of the Israeli army, for one. Warmongers are not free to go to war, because there are a lot of people who would have to fight and may not want to, without there being a real threat. If Netanyahu found a justification for war, and the Israelis swung behind him, electoral considerations wouldn't be a problem.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 14 2018 17:21 utc | 69

Ah yes, I forgot that Americans are used to wars that have no effect on the people back home, and so the government is free to do what it wants (obviously not true of b). That's not the case with Israel. If there's a war, the population will be directly involved (unless it's an air-only war, and even then things are getting dodgier).

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 14 2018 17:28 utc | 70


Most here have heard about the SAA's successful op to rescue the Suwedia kidnap victims from Daesh. The reunification with families was attended by President Assad and filmed. Here's a still pic that well describes how those families and most Syrians feel about Mr. Assad despite ongoing efforts by BigLie Media and its troll allies at his abasement.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2018 17:28 utc | 71

reminds me of george wallace losing an election in alabama due to being insufficiently racist. he vowed never to make that mistake again.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 14 2018 17:29 utc | 72

pretzelattack 75

Did you check the citation links in the wikipedia piece linked @ 55.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 14 2018 17:30 utc | 73

Laguerre @76&77--

Good points! I hope the political fallout brings forth a new group with fresh leadership and ideas.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2018 17:38 utc | 74

thanks for the updates and perspective b! much appreciated..

@35 hw.. that was an act of kindness on my part, as my post to you hadn't shown yet.. please skip my posts and i will do likewise with yours.. thanks..

@38 jen.. good post - @67 wj - israel has gone too far in the opposite direction to see anything like that happen..

@44 john.. thanks.. i know the size of the 2 are very disproportionate!! it would be good if all those folks did buy up some israel real estate, but i doubt they will.. here's a link for them if they are interested, lol..

lieberman represents the face of israel which to my mind has become increasingly war like and intolerant.. netanyahu just doesn't appeal to the fanatics as fully as lieberman or this naftali bennett crazy.. an election will bring israel further down the road they have been traveling on for some time... they have been in a holding position with netanyahu and that is going to change here..

karlof1 - thanks for your posts!

ot - heard the latest recording of swing out sister - almost persuaded... good soul music type vibe if you are interested..
here is a link to one of the tracks of the new recording..

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2018 17:58 utc | 75

@ 80 yeah, seem legit as far as i can tell.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 14 2018 18:02 utc | 76

Thanks to b and commenters here. This indeed is an enormous problem, and in light of comparisons with Nazi Germany, I would rather go with Carter's apartheid definition as I think it fits better. Also it is more in tune with Naomi Klein's classic "The Shock Doctrine" in that Israel is not only a product of its own political machinists but also of the 'great game' enthusiasts we need hardly name, but stretching back in living memory of a few of us oldies. These are major news items and Israel is at the heart of all the 'Middle East' disruptions, so if ever the politics can move towards reconciliation and peace in our time, that has to begin there. What a huge difference it could make if responsible leadership should emerge at this critical point!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2018 18:03 utc | 77

@ peter au.. thanks for pointing out the link and info @ 55.. i was unaware of that.. thanks noggin the way..

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2018 18:03 utc | 78

Bacevich goes on tour in Israel-

Notes from the Holy Land

He describes tour busses jammed full of pilgrims apparently oblivious to what's going on all around them. Bacevich is a bit blinkered himself-

... one gets the sense that the power differential between Jews and Palestinians is now so great as to make further resistance to the Zionist project all but futile. The mood conveyed by our tour guide and a pair of drivers—each a middle-aged Arab Israeli with a family—is one of resigned accommodation. The urgency of the graffiti notwithstanding, Palestinian liberation may well have to wait for the Second Coming.

For a man whose own son was killed in Iraq as part of Israel's project in the greater Middle East, Bacevich seems to have had himself some Kool-Aid.

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 14 2018 18:10 utc | 79

pretzelattack 80

From the nog "This Avigdor Lieberman is close to Putin, isn't he."

I checked three cites. Two led to the Haaretz and one to the Economist.
This one from the Haaretz
Putin has described Lieberman's own political career as "brilliant".[120]
Haaretz headlines "Putin Lauds Expat Lieberman's 'Brilliant Political Career' in Israel"
As this was back in 2009 and Putin was PM not president I have not been able to find a transcript, but the short pieces of quoted by Harretz is no different than the way he officially congratulates anybody on gaining office.

The nogs contention is that Lieberman is close to Putin, but on checking into the links, that does not seem to be the case.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 14 2018 18:21 utc | 80

Further to Hemlock #63

"Israel is one of the biggest defenders of anti-Semitism in the world' - My response to Justin Trudeau's disgusting and cynical attack on the BDS movement..."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 14 2018 18:47 utc | 81

With the oppression of the Palestinians beginning in '48 with the Nakba, the Israelis have heaped atrocity after atrocity on the people of Palestine. It's about time they have the REAL capacity to resist the monsters that have oppressed and
terrorized them for so many years..

Posted by: ben | Nov 14 2018 18:59 utc | 82

"Lieberman must take command and resolve this problem with swift reply."
Let us hope so. Lieberman is the personification of hubris. An election in which the current coalition members compete to come up with more extreme fascistic policy suggestions would lead inevitably to a war which the zionists, who are now totally invested in Jabotinsky revisionism would lose.
Politicians like those in Canada who back everything that Israel does and encourage fascists are hastening the end of the ludicrous zionist project.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2018 19:04 utc | 83

Geez! All sorts of happenings in the region! UAE on diplomatic push here and here. After siding with their Saudi patrons against Syria, Hamas is very grudgingly being readmitted to the Circle of Resistance. I wonder how Hamas feels about the reports that MbS lobbied Zionistan to invade Gaza to help remove the Khashoggi Affair from the press. From what I've read, Syrians are not ready to forgive Hamas for its mistake in going against Assad and all Syrians.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2018 19:16 utc | 84

@ peter au... i think you are right to question exactly what that is - putin - lieberman connection.. thanks for looking further..

@ 90 bevin... your description of lieberman - 'personification of hubris' makes him a perfect leader for israel! i am sure the canuck politicians will welcome him too.. to not do so would be anti-semite, lol..

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2018 19:35 utc | 85

lieberman resigning is a tasty donut to go with my morning coffee. all that sweet jelly filling.

it's funny how they always think gazans (or any other palestinians) will run into the arms of the Vichy West Bank "authorities". a bunch of illegitimate uncle toms ("uncle ahmeds"?) who treat their citizens at least as badly as the israelis? i guess they are so thick they think "they only mind indefinite detention and midnight raids because they're anti-semites! if the guy that kicks their door in prays five times a day they'll love it!"

this is also a clear message to Professional Fat Thug Moron(tm) pompeo and the rest of the adelson contingent: it won't work in iran either. this idea of "they'll greet siege masters and colonialists with candy and flowers" should have died in the dirt of iraq. just because people in the US bend over and grab their ankles for any authority figure doesn't mean other countries will be as submissive. and they definitely won't choose a pack of demented foreigners who brag about starving children over their own government (though ukrainians pushed the envelope on that one a little).

Posted by: the pair | Nov 14 2018 19:44 utc | 86

@ adam

I like your kind of derangement. It augurs that the Zionist berserkers will destroy themselves sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 14 2018 19:56 utc | 87

And to ensure the Khashoggi story continues to get noticed, the Turkish Drip continues, although the California fires and Trump's newest Media War have pushed it from the front page of my local newspaper. Eventually, the Drip will run out of fluid; but surely, something will replenish it?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2018 20:07 utc | 88


also here
"Turkey calls for international investigation into Khashoggi murder"

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 14 2018 20:16 utc | 89

@38 jen thanks for the links - I found the one to DW article especially interesting, but also some of the other articles on that page were useful to me. Didn't know of them before, other than one thing I read back in April. That was Lizzie Doron's (the author, now living in Germany) reminiscence on growing up in patriotism and growing out of it. Synchronizes with my own, sort of. Keep up the links - there are always some who appreciate them.

Posted by: Merlin2 | Nov 14 2018 20:23 utc | 90

karlof1 noted a few UAE moves @ 91.
Now according to AMN, a truce in Yemen.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 14 2018 20:32 utc | 91

Ah yes, another motive for the continuation of the Turkish Drip: regional energy politics and renewed Palestinian support. Yes, the web is that tangled. Of the greatest importance to this thread's topic, however, is the clear realization that the top two supporting nations for Palestinians are filled with Persians and Turks, not Arabs. There appears to be a new political dynamic much different than what existed at the beginning of 2015 created by several different forces that got their energy from Russia's successful intervention and resulting decline/retreat by Outlaw US Empire. The outline of the new dynamic remains fuzzy but slowly coming into focus. It's only 7 weeks until 2019; and as we've seen, much can occur over that short period.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2018 20:35 utc | 92

@barbara (59): "Lieberman must take command and resolve this problem with swift reply"

Oh these "most moral and most victimized" Jewish men and women... How much they do long for the final solution for the NATIVES of Palestine.

And who is this miracle-man Avigdor Lieberman? He is a product of the Soviet system; actually he exemplifies the worst of the defunct Soviet system that is not anymore. But the former night-club bouncer and convicted child beater (this counts for Avi's experience as a minister of defense -- only in Israel!) is still among the living. The Turkish-looking Moldovan thug is the face of the thuggish and parasitic Jewish State.

"New Auschwitz" is indeed a proper name for Gaza Ghetto.

Posted by: Anya | Nov 14 2018 20:36 utc | 93

Kushner Trump Nutty plans for the middle east seem to be falling apart. UAE now look to be siding with the resistance, with embassy in Syria and truce with the Houthi's. I wonder how much of this is fallout from the Khashoggi killing and Erdogan effectively taking MBS out of the game.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 14 2018 20:38 utc | 94

@90 Bevin, I was thinking exactly the same as I started to read your post. Israelis are currently protesting for the attack on Gaza to be continued, suggesting that Lieberman could well be the next choice of the masses.
Because of their ignorance and indoctrination passed off as education, the average Israeli is totally unaware that if the Palestinians do get the upper hand (and they will at some point) there will be no mercy shown, just as they have had none from the current occupiers. If Lieberman thinks he can quell Palestinian anger we could be approaching the moment when Israel finally realises that their murderous IDF is a plastic fireguard.

Posted by: duplicitousdemocracy | Nov 14 2018 20:52 utc | 95

Did Lieberman order the incursion to undercut Netanyahoo ceasefire and his rival Bennet?

Good question that was. And one that was not posed in any other media I regularly consume.

Posted by: radiator | Nov 14 2018 20:58 utc | 96

Thanks b. for an excellent analysis.

Someone mentioned film star Gerard Butler, who recently hosted an event that raised $60 m for the IDF. While in Israel, Butler was quoted as saying on October 9, “I always love being here. One day I’ll come here for vacation and just stay until I’m called elsewhere. I’ll ask someone to burn my house down in Los Angeles so I won’t have anywhere to go back to, and I won’t have any choice but to stay in Israel.” On Nov 12 his house was indeed burned down by the wildfires sweeping California!

The Iron Dome is expensive junk and far more damage is done by rockets than is admitted. But Israeli systems of advance warnings to residents of buildings likely to get hit by incoming rockets are very efficient it seems.

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 14 2018 22:00 utc | 97

This is typical for Israel. Years ago, they did this after they installed Iron Dome maybe to test it perhaps. There was a cease-fire. They violated it by taking out a Hamas leader. Rockets were lobbed. Iron Dome activated. Israel claimed victimhood as usual.

Posted by: Curtis | Nov 14 2018 23:10 utc | 98


Too bad. Maybe the gypsies, arabs and blacks Israel keeps around and barely tolerates are for insurance only, you know in case the inhabitants with real rights end up needing human shields. What an invention the iron dome! I hear cockroaches will survive a nuclear halo-caust.

Why oh why must humanity suffer the scourge that Israel inflicts on the world? We are all Palestinians; but some on this planet are still too ignorant to see it.

I had a raucous time reading this thread that's crawling with hasbara gleefully celebrating the Palestinian solution, i.e. the beginning of the end. Lieberman, Naftali, Go-ebbels, Hit-ler...same difference.

So Nitwityahoo is going to be replaced with an even more extreme version that prefers to launch the real big one as opposed to just using pictures 💣 of it to scare the world. Who's surprised that this is the natural progression of Zionism? Can we send Trump to Israel to self-destruct too? He'll feel right at home hugging Zionism while it implodes.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 15 2018 1:38 utc | 99

Anya @ 101 said;""New Auschwitz" is indeed a proper name for Gaza Ghetto."

I prefer " New Warsaw ghetto "....

Posted by: ben | Nov 15 2018 1:51 utc | 100

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