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November 22, 2018

Happy Thanksgiving

Trump pardoned this turkey.


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Posted by: Captain Cook | Nov 22 2018 17:42 utc | 1

Took a while for Putin to figure out how to work around the s-300s that he was basically forced into, shamed into, finally sending to Syria. In the end, it wasn't that hard, though. He's decided to do Israel's dirty work for Israel, forcing Iran out of Syria in exchange for Iran getting fig leaf relief from illegal, immoral, extortionate sanctions.

Posted by: paul | Nov 22 2018 17:46 utc | 2

Didn't Trump pardon him today?

Posted by: Blue | Nov 22 2018 17:51 utc | 3

Repugnant image.

Posted by: Quentin | Nov 22 2018 17:52 utc | 4

[reposted from previous open thread, following economics and culture discussion re: Michael Hudson]

It's time once again to pop in a blurb for Jane Jacobs, the American urban planner, city explainer, practical activist and culture-exploring goddess. Her self-taught understanding of cities, people and their needs, failures and successes are put forth in dozens of books published in the late 20th and early 21st century. She rocks.

Here's a wikipedia entry ( about her last book, 2004, Dark Age Ahead. The book itself is available for free from the Open Library at

"Jacobs argued that modern political and economic ideologies were in effect no different from those dominant in Western civilization's past Dark Ages, such as Middle Age Roman Catholicism. In both cases, she claimed, the dominant ideology prevented and discouraged people from finding rational and scientifically verifiable explanations and solutions.
Community and Family
People are increasingly choosing consumerism over family welfare, that is: consumption over fertility; debt over family budget discipline; fiscal advantage to oneself at the expense of community welfare.

Higher Education
Universities are more interested in credentials than providing high quality education.

Bad Science
Elevation of economics as the main "science" to consider in making major political decisions.

Bad Government
Governments are more interested in deep-pocket interest groups than the welfare of the population.

Bad Culture
A culture that prevents people from understanding the deterioration of fundamental physical resources on which the entire community depends."

Another good read is Systems Of Survival. In this book she unravels the two main castes or cultures in human society: Guardians and Merchants. Merchants make deals, guardians enforce laws. It's excellent for buyers and sellers to bargain and explore options, that is where innovation comes from. On the other hand, it is bad for guardians such as police or politicians to make deals, those would be bribes or cronyism.

The book is written as a Socratic dialog so it's a different read but the ideas are sound and in fact fundamental to understanding how our society has been perverted by the cross-pollination of guardian and commercial values.

There's a free PDF download of Jane Jacobs' Systems Of Survival at

Posted by: jonku | Nov 22 2018 18:00 utc | 5


Merkel asks EU to give up sovereignty to Brussels.(

There is no effective mechanism for holding the EU democratically accountable. Therefore she is asking Europeans to submit to the dictatorship of the (Globalist) elites.

This is a recipe for fascism like no other!

Posted by: dh-mtl | Nov 22 2018 18:09 utc | 6

Why are you celbrating this racist, barbaric commemoration of a stolen land and the extermination of its people?

Come on B, get with it bro!

Posted by: William Bowles | Nov 22 2018 18:10 utc | 7

Erdogan will be sooo jealous!!

Posted by: Wwinsti | Nov 22 2018 18:10 utc | 8

well, we know what trump is having for thanksgiving supper, lol..

Posted by: james | Nov 22 2018 18:12 utc | 9

@5 jonku

Thanks for this material from Jane Jacobs. Anyone who went against Robert Moses to prevent the municipal blighting of Greenwich Village is a heroine in my book. I'm reading her Death and Life of Great American Cities. Her other works weren't on my radar and now they are.

As far as I'm concerned you would be most welcome to "pop in a blurb" for her again from time to time.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 22 2018 18:21 utc | 10

An End to American Thanksgivings: A Cause For Universal Rejoicing

by BAR executive editor Glen Ford
Nobody but Americans celebrates Thanksgiving. It is reserved by history and the intent of "the founders" as the supremely white American holiday, the most ghoulish event on the national calendar. No Halloween of the imagination can rival the exterminationist reality that was the genesis, and remains the legacy, of the American Thanksgiving. It is the most loathsome, humanity- insulting day of the year - a pure glorification of racist barbarity.

Posted by: William Bowles | Nov 22 2018 18:24 utc | 11

Lol @ Pic

Irony at its best !!!

Great work!!!

Posted by: Deebo | Nov 22 2018 18:52 utc | 12

Check out the Steve Bannon Speech at Oxford. He's a populist and a nationalist and a compromiser and a zealot on a mission to deregulate. Hmmm....

Some of it is interesting. Much of it crap and doublespeak. He's a very slippery dude.

Outrageously, Bannon props up Saudi Arabia for its cool, conventional brand of Islam. "We went to Riyadh first.", he proudly proclaims.

Nobody called him out for that one.

Posted by: fast freddy | Nov 22 2018 19:21 utc | 13

@1 Captain Cook,

Credit line? MbS already has a debt-to-GDP ratio all his own.

Posted by: Jonathan | Nov 22 2018 19:38 utc | 14

@Captain Cook - "Shouldn't this image have a credit line?"

I do not know who made it.

Posted by: b | Nov 22 2018 19:41 utc | 15

What do you mean Paul ?

Where info to confirm the oil trio (Putin, Trump and MBS ) are forcing Iran out of Syria, by weakening the s-300s? Posted by: paul | Nov 22, 2018 12:46:48 PM | 2 Extemely interesting

Posted by: snake | Nov 22 2018 19:58 utc | 16

I am with Bannon, Riadh just cuts me up.
Great image b, he is just one big set up bird, ready to be devoured.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 22 2018 20:09 utc | 17

Russia offers plan to remove Iranian forces from Syria, Netanyahu says


Posted by: Zanon | Nov 22 2018 20:45 utc | 18

Hopefully the Turkey is hormone free.

Coldest Thanksgiving since the end of the Little Ice Age in Northeast (US)

Posted by: Pft | Nov 22 2018 21:50 utc | 19

@3 blue, Trump did pardon him today but the turkey is worried about what DT will say tomorrow.

re Sear bankruptcy, NC has a fairly short interview with Bill Black about "Fast Eddie" Lampert.

Posted by: spudski | Nov 22 2018 22:02 utc | 20

So in other words according to the Tass article Russia going in to bat for Iran by saying "If you lift the sanctions against Iran, we'll talk to them about pulling back in Syria a bit - not totally, a bit because Iran will do what they wish", has been paranoically psychotically delusioned into 'Putin' selling out Iran.
The types undermining Syria, Russia and Iran are the types pushing out this lame zionist propaganda from dingbats united.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 22 2018 22:07 utc | 22

William Bowles @ 11:

We Australians are dumb enough to celebrate Black Friday (the day that comes after Thanksgiving and which starts the Christmas shopping season) without understanding or knowing where the idea comes from. Soon we'll be dumb enough to celebrate Thanksgiving without understanding or knowing where the custom comes from, or why celebrating it is an insult not just to the descendants of the first Americans but also to the descendants of the first Australians.

It's all part of the rapid Americanisation of a (still mostly) Anglo-Australian society that has never had a moral compass to begin with and which forgets even its own sanitised history.

This comes on top of attempts by some local governments to get rid of Australia Day without consulting Aboriginal groups and organisations who observe the day (26 January) in their own various ways: as a day of remembrance and sorrow, a day to remember those who resisted European colonialism, and a day of reconciliation.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 22 2018 22:14 utc | 23

debs, lol... who you callin'a dingbat? rof..

Posted by: james | Nov 22 2018 22:27 utc | 24

Debsisdead @ 23: Tass is reporting a story by Nezavisimaya Gazeta (owned by Boris Berezovsky back in the 1990s) which that credulous media outlet has written based on Israeli sources quoting their deluded Prime Minister who thinks he's got the Russian government wrapped around his little finger.

Let Paul and Zanon wallow in their own fantasies. They've been told often enough by B that Russia has no say in whether Iranian forces should leave Syria. This has always been the Syrian government's decision to make.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 22 2018 22:30 utc | 25

I cannot wait until we celebrate Marx's and Hegel's birthdays as holidays. We can throw in the rest of the failed German philosophers as well. All of their followers can celebrate on the pile of dead corpses their ideas created. Meanwhile they will continue to live the life created by Europeans instead of moving to live with a band of indigenous people somewhere.

My guess is had they been in power they would have been first in line to make an indigenous person Marxist. We give you government, not the freedom to roam and hunt as you please...or else.

Maybe thanksgiving has become an oxymoron in our society. An idea whose time has past with the rest of the fake Christian holidays. As a Christian I dislike them as they are not based on the gospel but on the cannon.

Posted by: Sureno | Nov 22 2018 22:42 utc | 26

@ 26 jen.. for anyone insane enough to read the stupid article, i thought this was especially funny, near the top.. "Based on deductions, Putin suggested....." they could try to make it a bit more vague, lol...

Posted by: james | Nov 22 2018 23:38 utc | 27

Anonymous have leaked some documents relating to a secretive (and Orwellian) UK Government 'Integrity Initiative' project launched in 2017. There are numerous PDF files detailing members, organizational structure, budgets, 'mission statements', etc. The backup documents are held at pdf-archive. The project has members from the FCO, MOD, journalists, academics, the usual thinktanks - Chatham House, Atlantic Council, Hermitage Foundation - and the usual suspects - Browder, Applebaum, Aaronovitch.

One document contains an interesting reference the the Skripal incident. The project team describe it as a 'Dirty Trick'. Given these documents all pass through the FCO for funding and overall project approval, that must also be the FCO view. That suggests that the government is fully aware that Skripal wasn't poisoned by the Russians. If the Russians really had attempted to murder Skripal, it would be referred to as attempted murder, use of CW, act of war, etc. and not a 'dirty trick'.

Posted by: Entropy Wins | Nov 23 2018 0:04 utc | 28

James @ 27: "... Based on deductions, Putin suggested this to US President Donald Trump when they briefly met in Paris during the events marking the 100th anniversary of the World War I Armistice, Nezavisimaya Gazeta writes. Although Russia’s Foreign Ministry has not confirmed that this discussion was held at this level, this does not mean that the Russian leader had not put forward these ideas, the paper says. Experts say that Moscow has some leverage over Iran in Syria, though minor at best ..."

If Nezavisimaya Gazeta were any more vague than to say "... based on deductions ...", they'd have to admit "... we're just guessing, based on what we've guessed in the past ..." and in that respect they'd be telling the truth, perhaps for the first time in the newspaper's life-time.

I think TASS just published the article as is, to let NG hang themselves by their own incompetence. Sometimes you need a laugh.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 23 2018 0:19 utc | 29

In the words of the immortal all knowing all seeing all calculating Hari Seldon I declare Trump is the mule.

Posted by: steve | Nov 23 2018 0:23 utc | 30

Jen | Nov 22, 2018 5:30:23 PM | 26
Yeah prolly I clicked the link to see what the delusions were based on - no I shouldn't encourage such tosh, but life is dull some mornings. The only instances of note are the englanders finally waking up to the fact one of their old school orientalist spies has been apprehended by a mob of wogs and they will likely have to kowtow big towards the Saudi/UAE nexus to spring him. That is politically inconvenient at 'this point in time'.

Plus Hamas rubbing in the mess beeb the dweeb has created by publishing family pics of the special forces butchers who screwed up the misbegotten 'raid' on Gaza last week. All good stuff but the slugs are tryin to pretend nothing is happening when it while obviously is. e.g. It seems likely that Hamas has agents in place within the IDF bureaucracy, a karmic turnaround for the zionist murdering class and that Mohammed & Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan are trying to protect their performing puppet from the limp wristed slap the chinless englanders are trying to land on 'Fishy' bin Salman.

Jolly hockeysticks 'n all but none of it does anything for Yemen's victims of the famine porn currently being splashed across every media outlet. 'save the children' who for more than 50 years have specialised in making their coffers runneth over by pushing out pix of emaciated infants; then sticking out their paws demanding donations from guilt-ridden bourgoisie immediately afterwards. No solutions from 'save our cushy gigs', just the opportunity to buy absolution. They are deliberately distracting from the main issue, that the saudi & uae mercenaries have stepped up their assaults since all the western bulldust artists suggested a ceasefire that everyone knows won't happen until Haditha has fallen. Which likely means never, but the usual suspects will get as fat as 12th century bishops so it aint all bad.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 23 2018 0:25 utc | 31

damn that picture ruined my appetite, probably a good thing.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2018 0:31 utc | 32

After Tulsi Gabbards tweet yesterday there has been a ton of old anti-Tulsi propaganda that was originally created to discredit her support of Bernie being promoted all over the place. Those lies are being aggressively promoted by neocons in both parties and helped along by supposed progressives and patriots who either ignorantly or maliciously spread the same lies and sophistry. Can you help fight against that? Here is what she is up against, these two articles detail all the lies (compared to the facts) that the neocons and the dumb progressives who don’t bother to check facts are spreading around — it would be great if you can help get the word out about this organized slander campaign due to fear of Tulsi gaining higher office and ending wars:

Posted by: JCS | Nov 23 2018 0:39 utc | 33

JCS @ 32

Yes. And AOC is now getting the same. I like that she already has her own acronym. She is also doing Instagram fireside chats while cooking.

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 23 2018 2:03 utc | 34

we are in the game of using covert means against the iranians
come on people lets roll

Posted by: helmut | Nov 23 2018 2:13 utc | 35

The problem with Gabbard isn't whaat she has said, after all politicians say a lot of things as both those defend the vote articles point out. The problem with Gabbard is that she is a politician, by nature a person who 'goes along to get along' and is a willing senior signed up member of amerika's war party.
That means even if she had the opportunity to rein in the MIC, she wouldn't - because she was indoctrinated into the military from a young age; she is war, the woman eats sleeps and drinks conflict judging by the slimy tosh soundbites she generates. But of course she will never get that opportunity because the same crooked old dem thugs who allow her to seduce votes with her silver tongue, will always trap her into the agreed dem positions of war is good amerika is great, pass the cash register, before she gets a skerrick more seniority in the War Party.

It is insane there are likely a few million drongos still left in amerika. They have surely blinded themselves to what the last big time dem pol from Hawaii got up to, that is Barak Oblamblam who butchered more innocent muslims at family feasts than his equally evil predecessor bush the shrub ever managed.

The notion of either Oblamblam or Gabbard (who hasn't reached the heights worthy of a Did nym) claiming to be from Hawaii is an insult to all those pacific people robbed of their lands & currently oppressed by the exact system of government both slugs epitomise. Drongo 'liberal' amerikans who imagine one unwhite is the same as another unwhite ,are incapable of comprehending that for the people of the Pacific whakapapa is what matters - not skin colour. You, your whanau* and what your whanau has achieved, is far more important than easy words spewing from a mealy mouth or for that matter, your pigmentation.
If Gabbard had a scintilla of sincerity for humanity she wouldn't be a representative of Hawai'i. Instead she would be assisting a senior Hawai'ian selected by the indigenous population to get that responsibility. But hey we're talking career here. Gabbard is nothing if not a career pol so the chances of that occuring are even less than the odds of Gabbard's words resulting in any diminution of amerika's butchery.

* apologies for using te reo rather than Olelo Hawai'i but I haven't learn't Olelo Hawai'i which is similar but not the same as te reo, the language of the tangata whenua of Aotearoa.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 23 2018 2:24 utc | 36

"We Australians are dumb enough to celebrate Black Friday..."
Posted by: Jen | Nov 22, 2018 5:14:30 PM | 24

But do you celebrate it as we do in the U.S., by heading out zombie-like in gas-guzzling death-machines to strip malls and big box stores in order to punch, claw, kick, and possibly blast your way to "deep discounts" on ill-made toxic or otherwise hazardous merchandise that's destined to complete the journey from Guangdong sweatshop to local garbage dump in record time? Or do you Aussies have your own charming and sentimental traditions anent Black Friday?

Posted by: drj | Nov 23 2018 3:45 utc | 37

DRJ @ 36: Whatever "traditions" you have, we'll adopt eventually!

Takes a while ... our average IQs are not great.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 23 2018 3:54 utc | 38

You don't know anything about Tulsi Gabbard.
She has been the most active anti war member of congress.
She even visited Syria and talked with Assad.
She has been tutored by Kucinich, and Kucinich's adviser on foreign affairs has been William R Polk.
I suggest you do some homework, read some selections on Polk's home page, also review Kucinich's long term positions on war and peace.

Posted by: mauisurfer | Nov 23 2018 4:03 utc | 39

Trump pardoned the Sawdi turkey on the same day he pardoned the other turkeys and offended the entire Turkey population.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 4:25 utc | 40

"our average IQs are not great."
Posted by: Jen | Nov 22, 2018 10:54:49 PM | 37

I'll grant that puts you somewhat ahead of us, but I still say when it comes to throwing a good old-fashioned Black Friday celebration, We're Number 1:

Posted by: drj | Nov 23 2018 4:36 utc | 41

@ Circe with the line up of Turkeys.....nice

I would just suggest b that you don't plan any trips to SA in the near future.

Speaking of trips. Any but me think that the G20 is being set up for Show Time?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2018 4:36 utc | 42

I ain't eatin no turkey this year, yuck!

Posted by: V | Nov 23 2018 5:30 utc | 43

Debsisdead | Nov 22, 2018 9:24:51 PM | 35

Once again, you are punching way above your weight when it comes to Gabbard.
Do your bloody homework...

Posted by: V | Nov 23 2018 5:35 utc | 44

Hillary The Indispensible sez that Merkel was real nice but EU has been too good to immigrants, fueling "populism"! This from the Syria/Libya War Bitch that sent hundreds of thousands fleeing from her and her Boss's successes.

And yes - this means she's running.

Posted by: daffyDuct | Nov 23 2018 5:39 utc | 45

Put "Plucked - Anon"

Posted by: Domza | Nov 23 2018 5:40 utc | 46

Blow back from the wars in Libya, the Middle East, Afghanistan and Ukraine are coming home to Western Europe and the main leaders of the EU appear to have a fragile hold on power. This Saturday France has another round on general protests that may soon topple the Macron government.

For coverage of the French color revolution (in French) see:

It is amazing how the mainstream media coverage differs from the facts on the ground. This will be a very educational example of how the corporate media tries to manufacture consent.

Posted by: Krollchem | Nov 23 2018 5:58 utc | 47

mauisurfer | Nov 22, 2018 11:03:20 PM | 38

V | Nov 23, 2018 12:35:07 AM | 43

Life imitates art exactly as I am talking about. Old MoA hands may remember the same line of argument back in '04 after Oblamblam was the keynote speaker at the dem convention. I say now what I said back then "wait & see".
Talk talk is what Gabbard does just like Oblamblam. Talk is cheap.
Gabbard is a politician and a keen spruiker for 'our troops' aka the c*nts currently butchering, raping and pillaging about the planet.
She does exactly the same gig as a police union rep helping to cover up the crimes by blaming the grunts' act on the bosses when the truth is they are all complicit in the evil - there are no good 'guys' in the amerikan military, they all either murder and rape or gutlessly turn a blind eye to those who do. She does good in Hawai'i because it is a major stomping ground for military and retired military types who lap up her nonsense about good warriors b eing given bad orders as if it were mother's milk cos they imagine that gets 'em off the hook for being willing parties to murder and mayhem. It doesn't - all are volunteers who made a conscious decision to be the fist for the rich, rather than take their chances with the sh1tkickers and maybe having to be the face which cops that fist. Now they seek absolution for their evil. Ha! no chance.

As I said above the only person competent to represent Hawai'i is an indigenous Hawai'ian selected by Hawai'ian tradition - anything else is imperialist bulldust. Just because 100 years ago, a crew of navy thugs took over Hawai'i at the behest of a mob of corrupt SF gangsters who had paid off bent dem pols in DC, changes nothing. They murdered the Hawai'an traditional leaders by infecting 'em with diseases while holding them under house arrest - incarcerated for decades.
Gabbard legitimates that evil conduct by a) spruiking for the military who committed the murders and b) claiming to represent Hawai'i totally in breach of indigenous custom.
If she really wanted to get her snout in the trough that much and is the caring n sharing type she claims to be, she would have picked a spot in amerika where the indigenous population had already been genocided, instead of making herself party to contemporary cultural destruction.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 23 2018 6:19 utc | 48

you are not hawaiian
you do not speak hawaiian
you do not even live here
you are just another foreigner telling hawaiians what to do
we do not seek your ignorant advice
stick to something you know about
and read some polk

Posted by: mauisurfer | Nov 23 2018 6:35 utc | 49


Besides using a strawman; you're all over and factullay wrong.
There is no possible comparrison between Gabbard and Obama; she doesn't belong in the same sentence with Obama.
Obama is a slick customer, never in the military, and especially never saw combat.
Your "points" are mute.
Your indigini crap is just that. Gabbard was elected by Hawaiians.
You haven't even put together a cogent argument...

Posted by: V | Nov 23 2018 6:37 utc | 50

mauisurfer | Nov 23, 2018 1:35:11 AM | 48

Spot on...

Posted by: V | Nov 23 2018 6:39 utc | 51

Posted by: mauisurfer | Nov 23, 2018 1:35:11 AM | 48
you do not speak hawaiian

I went to Maui 3 times.
Beautiful place. Beautiful beaches, warm water, a bit windy, but great overall.
However, something felt a bit odd. Yes, the names of places and streets are all in Hawaiian, but I have not (over)heard anyone actually speaking Hawaiian there. Mostly English, except cleaning ladies and garden boys -they spoke Filipino. And I was shopping groceries in Foodland and Safeway, I guess the same places locals go.
Do you speak Hawaiian at home?

Posted by: hopehely | Nov 23 2018 7:34 utc | 52

Debs you are way off base with comparing Gabbard to Obama and should just stop. Tulsi's constituents are largely outside of Honolulu, and include a substantial percentage of the state's Hawaiian population. They seem just fine with her and support her overwhelmingly.

Posted by: sad canuck | Nov 23 2018 7:58 utc | 53

Re Gabbard

It's clear that we'll never be free of Dembot relapsing. That's how terminal addicts are. At any given time the great majority of the fake "radicals" who go around claiming to despise the Democrat Party are really just secretly yearning for the next fraudulent "progressive" Democrat hero to come along and sweep them off their feet and back into the Dembot fold.

Kucinich, Obama, Warren, Hillary sheepdog extraordinaire Sanders, "AOC" (who just got done telling the Dembot version of climate activists, "Let's get behind Pelosi!"), Gabbard, many more whose names I've forgotten.

I've never understood the unbreakable infatuation with the Democrats, other than the clear fact that support for them isn't political at all, but a type of celebrity fandom.

Any actual sentient political person knows that the historical record of the Democrats is one long unbroken scam, that the "celebrity progressive hero" meme is invariably a fraud, and that this will never change for as long as the Democrat Party and its partisans exist.

Of course we already see Dembots everywhere crowing that the House majority is going to do "real things", and without missing a beat their showcase promise is: "We're going to make Trump release his tax forms!" I.e. the exact kind of worthless theater which does nothing to help anyone real, the exact kind of misdirection scam in which the Democrats specialize.

The same goes for worthless tweets. BTW did Gabbard also give tweets condemning the Zionist state? I'm betting no. Just like "AOC" backpedalled as fast as she could from her pro-Palestinian comments. She even told an interviewer "I really don't know what I'm talking about there." (Not an exact quote, but the gist.)

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 8:04 utc | 54

Now here's one for a laugh!

The Emirates is organizing the World Summit on Tolerance

Posted by: William Bowles | Nov 23 2018 9:59 utc | 56

If the middle east battles are all about oil and gas and the yankee warmongering and Iran bashing is about oil and gas then they are all eclipsed by silicon.

Time to make the globe great again and turn to solar fast.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2018 10:55 utc | 57


Well Russ, I disagree when it comes to Gabbard (she's got more balls than most men).
As somebody remarked above Gabbard went to Syria and met with Assad.
She fought in Iraq; have you?
I say, until proven otherwise; give her the benefit of the doubt.
What other choices are there AOC? Ha! Bernie bro? Ha!
They're all bankrupt bastards.
We'll see...

Posted by: V | Nov 23 2018 11:09 utc | 58

responding to William Bowles @ 54

If Russia succeeded in getting the Iranian support for Syria to withdraw from the south western Syian region in exchange for the Syrian victory over the Israeli puppet murderers located there then that is a fair swap in a war tactic. It resulted in the complete destruction of ISIS by the Syrian army and even better the transfer of the murderous white helmets to the UK, France and Germany. Good outcome and just by having an Iranian force of 20 or so take a drive to the east.

That sort of negotiation/outcome is entirely consistent with Russian tactics from the very beginning: end hostilities, exit the murderous Israeli and Saudi proxies, restore Syrian governance in a sectarian and inclusive state.

There is no point picking a full frontal fight with Israel, that's what Israel wants and cannot achieve. So Israel has to resort to slaughtering Palestinian indigenous people. Assad is too clever to get sucked in to Israel lures and traps and Russia likewise. Time and events have destroyed the belligerents and revealed the USA as dumb proxies of middle east machinations.

Iran has played the long game and come out well. Sure it has a hard future ahead but if Syria, Russia and Iran can take the current momentum and foil the economic blockade by shifting the chips in play for some sort of 'peace' with Israel then so be it.

The game now is to rebuild Syria, restore some peace and/or predictability in Lebanon, Iraq and Iran as well and move into a rapidly changing future based on cessation of war and belligerence. Bless the peacemakers and the people who treasure a saner world.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2018 11:23 utc | 59

I wouldn't accept an invitation to a Saudi Embassy if I were you:)

Posted by: Doggrotter | Nov 23 2018 11:25 utc | 60


Agreed. However, the Russians will always be motivated by their memories of WWII (The Great Patriotic War), thus national self-interest will always come first. We see this in their reluctance to get drawn into the US/NATO war on Libya which they regarded (I think incorrectly) as 'not their fight'. But with US/NATO right on their borders, they reluctantly decided that enough was enough, a stand had to be made and they did it over Syria. Korbyko's piece that I linked to above points out that Putin's first act was to reestablish relationship with Israel when he took power.

It's a murky and devious world.

Posted by: William Bowles | Nov 23 2018 12:28 utc | 61

Bellingcat has identified a second man named wanted by Interpol in an unsuccessful coup attempt in Montenegro in 2016 (Second GRU Officer Indicted in Montenegro Coup Unmasked via @bellingcat He was identified as Vladimir Nikolaevich Moiseev - a senior GRU agent. According to a 2016 article in the Guardian (Serbia deports Russians suspected of plotting Montenegro coup

"........A source close to the Belgrade government said Patrushev, a former FSB (federal security service) chief, apologised for what he characterised as a rogue operation that did not have the Kremlin’s sanction. In Moscow, a Security Council official told Tass that Patrushev “didn’t apologise to anyone, because there is nothing to apologise for”......."

This is more evidence that the Russian government was directly behind the coup attempt motivated to prevent Montenegro from joining NATO. A spokesperson for the Russian Foreign Ministry took exception to the Guardian article at the time declaring:

".......Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry wrote on Facebook: “The publication in the Guardian with a link to ‘sources’ saying that Patrushev apologised for ‘Russian nationalists’ who had planned to kill the prime minister of Montenegro is a classic provocation aimed at spreading knowingly false information.”

“I declare you “liars of the day”. You can sew your own hat.”........"

No government lies more than the Russian government i.e., MH17, Red Crescent Aid Convoy, Skripal, attempted coup in Montenegro, interference in the US election, invasions of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, etc.

Posted by: craigsummers | Nov 23 2018 13:38 utc | 62

Listening to this debs prattle on about tulsi, it sounds like she fails some kind of ideology and/or racial purity test. I thought those days were behind us.

Posted by: morongobill | Nov 23 2018 14:01 utc | 63


There is no peace with Israel! The fallacy of that statement on Israel dismantles your argument. Just state that there is self-interest or self-preservation involved if Putin sells out Iran to that stinking shithole Zionist entity. Iran fought side by side with Russia and is an invited presence in Syria and a counter-weight to Zionist U.S. presence in Syria and surrounding Zionist U.S. bases.

With all the Zionist Russian oligarchs breathing down Putin's neck in Russia, and the demented Zionist state having a large percentage of Russian immigrants, Putin kowtows to Zionism like everyone else. Yes, Putin is using Syria to get leverage over the U.S./Nato axis, but Israel is tied to his self-preservation, so he'll drop Iran in a minute for that reason, but don't say it's for the sake of peace when Israel has its sights on Iran as the next target of the Empire. It's totally disingenuous to use peace and Israel in the same sentence.

Next, @57 regarding the Gabbard tussle debs and others are having here: it's all moot since she offended compassionate Democrat sensibilities by meeting with Assad. Don't mention her name on Democratic sites; they can't stand her and you'll be excoriated for bringing her up. So she'll never be the nominee anyway. Now, I don't think either that it's necessary to even bring up the indigenous in Hawaii considering what was also done to native Americans on the mainland.

There's something else that disqualifies her. I used to trust and be gung-ho on Tulsi because of her association with Kucinich, but she lost my respect entirely after she started rubbing shoulders with this Zionist slime:

Gabbard’s Zionist Friends

I couldn't be bothered getting the picture on it's own so don't blame me for the comments that surround it. Regardless, I no longer trust Gabbard because of her toxic Zionist associates.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 14:51 utc | 64

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Posted by: Tollef Ås | Nov 23 2018 14:52 utc | 65

you asked about Hawaiian language
I am an old man, and very few spoke Hawaiian in my youth.
it was mostly old folks at home. An old kahuna told me that the Hawaiian people were like the setting sun.
Dr. Charlie Judd taught a class in Hawaiian at UH Manoa,
that was about the only public class in Hawaiian.
Now there are Hawaiian immersion schools, public schools where Hawaiian is spoken. And I hear more Hawaiian spoken all the time. Hawaiian culture and language have made a comeback in the past 40 years. This is mostly cultural, with people like Gabby Pahinui becoming recognized - I remember when Cyrus Faryar could not get anyone in L.A. to market recordings of Gabby! But it is also political, probably the constitutional convention 40 years ago was a keystone event as it created
the Office of Hawaiian Affairs (O.H.A.).
Next time you come to Maui, visit the Paia School, it is a beautiful old campus bursting with new energy.
Here is some background:
In 1978, the Hawaiian language was recognized as one of the official languages of the state of Hawaii (the other being English). Public Hawaiian language immersion preschools were established in 1984, and other immersion schools soon followed.

Today, there are about 1,000 native Hawaiian speakers and around 8,000 people who can speak and understand the language fluently according to the UCLA Language Materials Project. It is a far cry from the estimated 400,000-800,000 native Hawaiian speakers during the time of Captain Cook, but it's a good start at resurrecting a dying language.

Posted by: mauisurfer | Nov 23 2018 14:53 utc | 66

Posted by: paid jerk-off | Nov 23, 2018 8:38:23 AM | 61

You lied by omission when you allowed people to believe that you were someone that you weren't.

A known lier writes that Russia lies. LOL.

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You are an embarrassment.

Take your hand out of your pants and find a real job.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 23 2018 14:54 utc | 67

Sadly (or laughably, if you are in a jolly mood), Russ and Debisdead, and their handful of likeminded others who daily gather about the ultraleft internet world (such as it is) will never change their tune in the face of all evidence pointing to their invective (they term this "critical education") adding up to nothing except furtherance of rightwing oppression currently sweeping the world.

They offer nothing to motivate people other than the rejection of mainstream political movements of the center-left which are already organised, in reactionary political parties to be sure, into the tens of millions in the US.

Large numbers will be required if Russ, debs and their relatively few peers ever in fact wake up from their blogging stupors (extremely doubtful, imho, based on evidence of the prior 10-15 years) and become a vanguard of the movement to topple and replace the liberal democratic system with a fair system for all the people.

Lenin already nailed Russ, debs (and their few peers) to the wall way back in 1920:

Is parliamentarianism “politically obsolete”? That is quite a different matter. If that were true, the position of the “Lefts” would be a strong one. But it has to be proved by a most searching analysis, and the “Lefts” do not even know how to approach the matter.

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 23 2018 15:00 utc | 68

correction (misspelling): liar

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 23 2018 15:03 utc | 69


No government lies more than the Russian government

That's not true. Israel lies more than any other state, followed by the Zionist surrogate United States.


Caption for picture: Okay, who get's to saw, my bad, carve the turkey?

I say the Yemeni!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 15:04 utc | 70

Donkeyshill, you continue to refuse to answer the question: Why, if you really want to "replace the liberal democratic system with a fair system for all the people", and you're so-not-a-Dembot, why in that case do you keep carrying water for the Democrats? (Not even the Greens, but the Democrats!) I've never seen anyone but a Dembot do that.

Since you like clicheed political jargon so much, here's the term for your kind of liberal Democrat at heart who blathers about Lenin and other writers you're congenitally incapable of understanding (which is why the likes of you invariably fail to understand Left-Wing Communism, same way your hero Hillary gets Orwell exactly 180 degrees wrong) - "radical chic".

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 15:23 utc | 71

Regarding Tulsi Gabbard.

In the last open thread I advanced the notion that humans are much more changeable than we tend to assume, or that our institutions plan on. I could back this claim with substantial collateral but I'll skip that here.

In my view, when we group Gabbard in with corrupt politicians, we do the greatest disservice to our own understanding of how corruption works. We also give in and surrender to evil, sooner than we should. So we should beware of this kind of thinking, both from an honorable place of not maligning a person who may not yet have earned it, and also from a strategic view of not giving into defeatism.

What really matters about the Gabbard situation is the history of other people and institutions that once were on our side and stood as our heroes, and who now seem compromised, corrupted, silenced or destroyed. There are powerful forces at play that can turn the good to the bad. These are the forces that we should be intent on identifying, in my opinion.

An overarching cynicism will only weary us, and the struggle is still alive. Cynicism is the cousin of defeatism and premature surrender. It's a position encouraged by the enemy, because it appears strong while it is actually weak. It's one of the tools that tame - the greatest of course being the one that divides us against each other, while the enemy rules.

What will be useful to watch with Gabbard will be what forces come to work on her, and how long she can remain true to her indigenous spiritual strength, if indeed she has not already caved in (I haven't studied the situation).

Sooner or later someone or some ones must appear who can remain true to the welfare of the people, and survive all the forces that work to subvert that. Our sitting around hoping for real change, however, is not going to get it done. Nor is falsely identifying as true those who are already corrupted, or conversely, labeling as lost those who might still have some truth in them. Understanding in precise detail and calling out and shedding light on these forces of subversion, might just help, however.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23 2018 15:25 utc | 72

Posted by: V | Nov 23, 2018 6:09:20 AM | 57

"She fought in Iraq; have you?"

You must be joking. I think anyone literate could figure out that I oppose the empire's wars and do not regard having been an imperial mercenary as anything but a black mark one one's record. And whatever Gabbard says now in empty words, she remains a leading cadre of an aggressively pro-war party. (I notice you didn't answer about whether she condemns the Zionists. So I guess I bet right.)

Good to hear what a rah-rah celebrity-worshipping "patriot" you are, though.

"I say, until proven otherwise; give her the benefit of the doubt."

Spoken like a true "there's no such thing as history" Dembot. Meanwhile those who acknowledge history and are knowledgeable about Democrat history are far, far beyond any "doubt".

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 15:26 utc | 73

Grieved 71,

Fact is, if we took your comment and replaced "Gabbard" with "Obama", we could pretty much transpose it verbatim to 2008-09 and it would fit right in with what the Obamabots were saying.

I agree, cynicism is pernicious, and I can't imagine anything more cynical than continued special pleading on behalf of the Democrats, after all they've proven throughout their perfidious history.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 15:31 utc | 74

Pardon the pedantry, but here are a few tips on the correct use of the gerund (-ing form of the verb): you must use it after prepositions - MOA takes pride in allowing freedom of speech; you must use it after these verbs - appreciate, avoid, consider, defer, delay, deny, detest, dislike, dread, enjoy, excuse, fancy, forgive, imagine, to be Keen on, keep, like, loathe, to Look forward to, mind, miss, pardon, postpone, prevent, propose, resent, resist, risk, save, stop, suggest, understand, to be/get Used to - MOA keeps producing good articles; and you must use it after these expressions - it's no fun..., it's no good...., it's no use..., it's worth - it's worth sticking with the comments section on MOA. Native speakers were looking out the window when this was covered at school and non-native speakers have enough on their plate.

Posted by: kula | Nov 23 2018 15:39 utc | 75

@72 Russ

Maybe. But I think for Obama this would fall under "falsely identifying as true someone who was already corrupted". What I get from people who have studied Gabbard is that she hasn't yet fallen, and - conceivably - may not fall.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23 2018 15:40 utc | 76


if Syria, Russia and Iran can take the current momentum and foil the economic blockade by shifting the chips in play for some sort of 'peace' with Israel then so be it.

First of all Syria is a sanctioned country itself therefore powerless to help Iran foil sanctions against it. Second, even Russia can't help, as it too is sanctioned financially, and as an oil & gas competitor, it would not be in its interests to do so. The only countries that can foil those sanctions are those currently importing from Iran who demanded waivers from Trump. Your argument fell apart the moment you wrote peace and Israel in the same sentence. Israel and the Trumpian admin are chomping at the bit to destroy Iran in every way. No peace is possible with that kind of demented obsession.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 15:43 utc | 77

There's a great interview with Michael Hudson from last year that I only watched yesterday. It's on the RT show, Renegade, Inc., which produces some excellent economic commentary.

Towards the end they were discussing Obama's actual legacy, and Hudson was very clear about all the broken promises Obama made. He said that in 2016, Hillary told everyone that after 8 years of Obama, they were better off than they were in 2008. Everyone knew this was not true, and so they voted for Trump, who at least presented himself as understanding this.

So Obama's actual true legacy, said Hudson, was Trump.

I thought that was a gem worth sharing. The brief interview is here:
J is for Junk Economics

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23 2018 15:47 utc | 78


Bellingcat (not Belingcat) is a front, financed by amongst other orgs, the Atlantic Council which in turn is financed by, well it's a long list!

Posted by: William Bowles | Nov 23 2018 15:55 utc | 79

Millionaires Running Democratic Party Meet In Secret

A big club is meeting to discuss “progressive” causes. Reporters aren’t allowed. Here are the details… Jimmy Dore gets it.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 23 2018 16:03 utc | 80

@ Grieved 74

What about this tweet Circe posted earlier? (And I've seen other evidence elsewhere.)

At any rate I'm certain, and have moved on from the fact, that the Democrat Party as a whole is pure poison, pure treason against humanity and the Earth, nothing good ever will or can come of it, and that a prerequisite for any political improvement is the destruction of the Party and its morbid celebrity-fan-club partisans. For the life of me I can't imagine what's the attraction of the endless treadmill of seeking the next fake "progressive hero" Democrat.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:07 utc | 81

If Tulsi Gabbard weren't corrupted, she would stay away from the Adelsons no matter what cause they're peddling that she might share. The Adelsons are kryptonite for trust! She should know that! She should know better! Find some other financier for your cause, lady!

Now, to russ's point. Yes, it's good to get people to focus on another option besides the Dems (hopefully you don't mean the Republicans who are part of the same duopoly syndicate). However, the problem is that in a non-democracy with two Zionist-owned parties monopolizing the mass demographic, just how do you intend that third option to win?

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 16:09 utc | 82

Ah, so now it becomes clear. You are a shill for the Green Party, is that it, Russ? A Greenbot. Lol. Shocking. Here I thought you were a true leftist.

I have no problem at all with the Green Party. In 2016 their candidate was subsumed by Bernie Sanders. Unfortunately, they represent a small bloc of voters who tend to also be center-left and clustered in a few white middle-class suburbs.

But yes, definitely. Numbers are required and everybody of likemind counts.

Are you Greenbots now willing to form a political coalition with blacks and hispanics of the underclass? And since your numbers are vastly smaller are you comfortable with participating even though you will be in the minourity, Russ? That is the most compelling question to ask of Greenbots. Can you check your sense of middle class caucasian superiourity at the door and work well with "others"?

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 23 2018 16:13 utc | 83

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23, 2018 10:47:49 AM | 76

"So Obama's actual true legacy, said Hudson, was Trump."

Exactly right, as Hudson usually is. Trump is the logical culmination to date of the entire trend of the last 30 years of US politics: Post-Cold War, escalated neoliberalism, full knowledge and consensus denial (albeit in different conservative and liberal flavors) of climate change. Trump is both the culmination thus far and firmly within the same unvarying trend.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:13 utc | 84

Stop being a retard, donkeybot. I reject the Greens as wanting nothing but a Democrat do-over, but honest-and-for-true this time. They offer no alternative to the economic civilization murfering the Earth. I asked why you don't shill for them rather than for the Democrats.

Meanwhile you're still not answering the question.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:18 utc | 85


Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:19 utc | 86

Compare the UK shrieking about the legitimate referenda in Crimea (that has finally returned to the warm embrace of mother Russia) with the UK pornographic dance over Gibraltar:

"Gibraltar is a British overseas territory, accounting for just 6.8 square kilometres and home to 33 thousand people. Located on Spain's south coast, and belonging to Britain since 1713, the peninsula is, despite its small size, of great strategic value to the UK.

Unlike virtually all of the Brexit-related contretemps until now, the UK isn't the problem here: the Gibraltar issue must be worked out between Spain and other EU members, after Spain accused the bloc of 'treachery' over Gibraltar..."

The distance between the UK Parliament and the Rock -- 1,758 km

Posted by: Anya | Nov 23 2018 16:19 utc | 87

Circe 80

Certainly I don't mean the Republicans. I reject the Corporate One-Party in its entirety.

And I reject all of electoralism as any kind of primary strategy and goal, both because it's a kangaroo farce set up by the elites to present the simulacrum of "democracy", and also because any alleged "alternative" party wouldn't be any real alternative. For a perfect example just look at the Greens who my friend donkeybot is suddenly so excited about.

No, I've written for many years now that the only path home is to first put in the hard, perhaps long and dangerous, but necessary work of building a cultural/spiritual/social/economic movement completely outside the system, against the system, without any of the system's personnel. Only when such a movement is a self-sustaining going concern, able to rely on its own social strength, can it then be in a position to force change directly or to then rear a political party and run candidates for higher office. And the purpose of such office-holders would not be to "do good things" within the system, but to be monkey-wrenchers and grid-lockers on behalf of the extralegal movement action.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:27 utc | 88

Don't be a retard Russ. I'm not shilling for the Demotards anymore than you are shilling for the Green Party...and I answered your same question...twice.

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 23 2018 16:27 utc | 89

Donkey, I don't mean the question about what of substance separates the Democrats and Trump. I've given up on getting an answer to that one. I mean why a self-alleged non-Dembot would be such an ardent shill for the Democrats the way you are. You refuse to answer.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:31 utc | 90

The recent collision between a Norwegian frigate and a tanker was immediately blamed on Russia, but there are suggestions the real cause may be linked to "Gender Issues" and the intersection of George-Soros-Delusion-Syndrome with mind-numbing incompetence:

Gender Politics and the Sinking of the KNM Helge Ingstad

From the article this gem: “It is advantageous to have many women on board. It will be a natural thing and a completely different environment, which I look at as positive,” Lieutenant Iselin Emilie Jakobsen Ophus said. She is a navigation officer at KNM Helge Ingstad, according to Defense Forum.

Well, if the objective of having many women on board is to keep all the occupants occupied full-time on a one-to-one basis instead of letting them get busy at shooting at people, then I am all for that, they should adopt it for the whole of NATO, especially the US. Sounds like a good Scandinavian way of addressing NATO policy deficiencies. But when through your distraction you end up crashing into oil tankers, just don't blame it on the Russians or the Chinese.

Also in the article a very nice picture of the frigate (not the one at the top, the one a little further down the page) which makes for an excellent picture of a George-Soros-frigate. It should be renamed KNM George Soros. Anyone for an HMS George Soros Aircraft carrier?

Posted by: BM | Nov 23 2018 16:36 utc | 91

This article somewhat relates to discussion above regarding "purity" of political intentions, but also asks why these noble ideas could not be "sold" to working class people.

"A number of years ago, Noam Chomsky commented on how amazed he was by the intelligence of working class people when they called into a sports talk program the Monday after Sunday’s NFL games. Their analysis of what plays didn’t work, what plays could have worked along with the strengths and weaknesses of the players was astounding. But then he pointed out how all this intelligence goes away when the same people are then asked to make a political analysis of the current events in their lives – working conditions, wages, war. The working class is mute when asked to explain how and why capitalism is failing. The question is not why working class people have cognitive compartmentalization, separating sporting events from their everyday life. The question is what does sports offer people that makes them so involved? Have socialists asked themselves what would have to happen to make working class people be carried away by socialism the way they are by sports?"

Facing the music: religion, nationalism, and sports have enchanted the working class; socialism hasn’t

by Bruce Lerro / November 18th, 2018

Posted by: ex-SA | Nov 23 2018 16:38 utc | 92

lol donkeytale, the dems have betrayed the lower and middle classes for decades, stop pretending they care about them.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2018 16:43 utc | 93

And this one might be able to answer to the article above.

"This blindness is the product of decades, now, of electronic media indoctrination. People even admit this, accept that its true. But they still remain habituated to their various screens. They still wear buttons saying ‘I voted’. They still become shrill and near hysterical at the idea YOU voted for a third party candidate, or worse, didn’t vote at all. How does that work? The presidency of Obama is revealing, both as it happened, and now as an object of near history. If you tell people Obama was the president who signed off on (and presumably helped design) the joint US/Saudi assault on Yemen, you will get denial or blank stares. If you say, well, ICE deported people under Obama, and at a record clip. You get denial. Or that Obama was notorious for persecuting whistle blowers and for narrowing press freedoms as much as possible. Denial. Blankness. Obama was the fulcrum for a very late onset of amnesia. Collectively speaking. He has taken the role of mental black hole. History began and stopped with Obama. (I actually think Michelle might run for President in 2020)."

Liar Liar

by John Steppling / November 21, 2018

Posted by: ex-SA | Nov 23 2018 16:45 utc | 94

@89 ".... if the objective of having many women on board is to keep all the occupants occupied full-time on a one-to-one basis ..."

Thank you for that BM. I suspect the 'one-to-one' activities don't include men. They may have to amuse themselves.

Posted by: dh | Nov 23 2018 16:47 utc | 95

@67 donkey... your post was a particularly unfriendly one where you make a wide generalized personal attack on many of the posters here at moa.. please remember moa is not usa centric.. there are many posters at mopa who live outside of the usa! if you wish to discuss usa politics all the time and nothing else, i understand.. but others outside the usa do have relevant viewpoints and see just how demented the usa has become on all levels including the political one.. thanks..

@76 grieved... michael hudson quote "So Obama's actual true legacy, said Hudson, was Trump." that isn't all that flattering of obama! regarding your comment @74, i happen to agree with russ... however, i stand above cynicism, and remain open to being humbled by the thought that some politician might rise out of the usa political system who is not another shill for it's own self destruction.. maybe that person is tulsi gabbard... people can hope... the last president people had great hope for was obama and unfortunately it was misplaced..

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2018 17:07 utc | 96


Relieved to know you're not favoring any part of the duopoly. Your suggestion could take a century if it even succeeds after all that. I have a simpler solution. Expose Zionism for what it really is: treason against democracy and the rule of law, and outlaw all the big money that funds it and other corporate macinations by the one-percent, and that funds the political traitors who misrepresent themselves as beholden to the people while accepting all that cash to suborn democracy.

Why is it that Zionists succeed with their propaganda to fool the mass into voting for either of the co-opted parties? If more people were condemning Zionism as being a genteel judeo-christian colonialist, Apartheid front for 1% ultra-wealthy domination we could eradicate the treasonous scourge on democracy much sooner.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 17:13 utc | 97

@63 Circe and others re Tulsi G

Now, I'm totally confused: Wednesday, Gabbard tweeted "Hey @realdonaldtrump: being Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.” Before that, she tweeted about stopping US support for KSA in Yemen. In July she's with Adelson and that right wing Rabbi?

Posted by: spudski | Nov 23 2018 17:14 utc | 98

i really resent how easily the west has been duped into consumerism and i can't find a better example then this black friday concept... it used to be a disease only expressed in the usa i believe... unfortunately many canucks have fallen for the koolaid as well and i see the poster @64 Tollef Ås is experiencing a similar fate in norway... i pray this madness will stop at some point...

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2018 17:18 utc | 99

Have you seen this post?

There have been a number of collisions in 2018 involving US warships and civilian ships. Following official investigations, I think that one senior officer was sacked, others were demoted. The route cause seems to be that there is not enough training of US navy personnel.

So maybe it is the competence of the US officer which should be looked at rather than the gender of the Norwegian sailors?

Posted by: cirsium | Nov 23 2018 17:23 utc | 100

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