Repugnant image.

Posted by: Quentin | Nov 22 2018 17:52 utc | 4

Amazing!
Merkel asks EU to give up sovereignty to Brussels.(https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811221070048712-merkel-sovereignty-europe/)
There is no effective mechanism for holding the EU democratically accountable. Therefore she is asking Europeans to submit to the dictatorship of the (Globalist) elites.
This is a recipe for fascism like no other!

Posted by: dh-mtl | Nov 22 2018 18:09 utc | 6

Erdogan will be sooo jealous!!

Posted by: Wwinsti | Nov 22 2018 18:10 utc | 8

@5 jonku
Thanks for this material from Jane Jacobs. Anyone who went against Robert Moses to prevent the municipal blighting of Greenwich Village is a heroine in my book. I’m reading her Death and Life of Great American Cities. Her other works weren’t on my radar and now they are.
As far as I’m concerned you would be most welcome to “pop in a blurb” for her again from time to time.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 22 2018 18:21 utc | 10

Lol @ Pic
Irony at its best !!!
Great work!!!

Posted by: Deebo | Nov 22 2018 18:52 utc | 12

@1 Captain Cook,
Credit line? MbS already has a debt-to-GDP ratio all his own.

Posted by: Jonathan | Nov 22 2018 19:38 utc | 14

What do you mean Paul ?
Where info to confirm the oil trio (Putin, Trump and MBS ) are forcing Iran out of Syria, by weakening the s-300s? Posted by: paul | Nov 22, 2018 12:46:48 PM | 2 Extemely interesting

Posted by: snake | Nov 22 2018 19:58 utc | 16

Russia offers plan to remove Iranian forces from Syria, Netanyahu says
More:
http://tass.com/pressreview/1031958

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 22 2018 20:45 utc | 18

@3 blue, Trump did pardon him today but the turkey is worried about what DT will say tomorrow.
re Sear bankruptcy, NC has a fairly short interview with Bill Black about “Fast Eddie” Lampert.

Posted by: spudski | Nov 22 2018 22:02 utc | 20

So in other words according to the Tass article Russia going in to bat for Iran by saying “If you lift the sanctions against Iran, we’ll talk to them about pulling back in Syria a bit – not totally, a bit because Iran will do what they wish”, has been paranoically psychotically delusioned into ‘Putin’ selling out Iran.
The types undermining Syria, Russia and Iran are the types pushing out this lame zionist propaganda from dingbats united.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 22 2018 22:07 utc | 22

debs, lol… who you callin’a dingbat? rof..

Posted by: james | Nov 22 2018 22:27 utc | 24

I cannot wait until we celebrate Marx’s and Hegel’s birthdays as holidays. We can throw in the rest of the failed German philosophers as well. All of their followers can celebrate on the pile of dead corpses their ideas created. Meanwhile they will continue to live the life created by Europeans instead of moving to live with a band of indigenous people somewhere.
My guess is had they been in power they would have been first in line to make an indigenous person Marxist. We give you government, not the freedom to roam and hunt as you please…or else.
Maybe thanksgiving has become an oxymoron in our society. An idea whose time has past with the rest of the fake Christian holidays. As a Christian I dislike them as they are not based on the gospel but on the cannon.

Posted by: Sureno | Nov 22 2018 22:42 utc | 26

Anonymous have leaked some documents relating to a secretive (and Orwellian) UK Government ‘Integrity Initiative’ project launched in 2017. There are numerous PDF files detailing members, organizational structure, budgets, ‘mission statements’, etc. The backup documents are held at pdf-archive. The project has members from the FCO, MOD, journalists, academics, the usual thinktanks – Chatham House, Atlantic Council, Hermitage Foundation – and the usual suspects – Browder, Applebaum, Aaronovitch.
https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/operation-integrity-initiative-british-informational-war-against-all/
One document contains an interesting reference the the Skripal incident. The project team describe it as a ‘Dirty Trick’. Given these documents all pass through the FCO for funding and overall project approval, that must also be the FCO view. That suggests that the government is fully aware that Skripal wasn’t poisoned by the Russians. If the Russians really had attempted to murder Skripal, it would be referred to as attempted murder, use of CW, act of war, etc. and not a ‘dirty trick’.
https://www.pdf-archive.com/2018/11/02/iihandbookv2/

Posted by: Entropy Wins | Nov 23 2018 0:04 utc | 28

In the words of the immortal all knowing all seeing all calculating Hari Seldon I declare Trump is the mule.

Posted by: steve | Nov 23 2018 0:23 utc | 30

damn that picture ruined my appetite, probably a good thing.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2018 0:31 utc | 32

JCS @ 32
Yes. And AOC is now getting the same. I like that she already has her own acronym. She is also doing Instagram fireside chats while cooking.

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 23 2018 2:03 utc | 34

The problem with Gabbard isn’t whaat she has said, after all politicians say a lot of things as both those defend the vote articles point out. The problem with Gabbard is that she is a politician, by nature a person who ‘goes along to get along’ and is a willing senior signed up member of amerika’s war party.
That means even if she had the opportunity to rein in the MIC, she wouldn’t – because she was indoctrinated into the military from a young age; she is war, the woman eats sleeps and drinks conflict judging by the slimy tosh soundbites she generates. But of course she will never get that opportunity because the same crooked old dem thugs who allow her to seduce votes with her silver tongue, will always trap her into the agreed dem positions of war is good amerika is great, pass the cash register, before she gets a skerrick more seniority in the War Party.
It is insane there are likely a few million drongos still left in amerika. They have surely blinded themselves to what the last big time dem pol from Hawaii got up to, that is Barak Oblamblam who butchered more innocent muslims at family feasts than his equally evil predecessor bush the shrub ever managed.
The notion of either Oblamblam or Gabbard (who hasn’t reached the heights worthy of a Did nym) claiming to be from Hawaii is an insult to all those pacific people robbed of their lands & currently oppressed by the exact system of government both slugs epitomise. Drongo ‘liberal’ amerikans who imagine one unwhite is the same as another unwhite ,are incapable of comprehending that for the people of the Pacific whakapapa is what matters – not skin colour. You, your whanau* and what your whanau has achieved, is far more important than easy words spewing from a mealy mouth or for that matter, your pigmentation.
If Gabbard had a scintilla of sincerity for humanity she wouldn’t be a representative of Hawai’i. Instead she would be assisting a senior Hawai’ian selected by the indigenous population to get that responsibility. But hey we’re talking career here. Gabbard is nothing if not a career pol so the chances of that occuring are even less than the odds of Gabbard’s words resulting in any diminution of amerika’s butchery.
* apologies for using te reo rather than Olelo Hawai’i but I haven’t learn’t Olelo Hawai’i which is similar but not the same as te reo, the language of the tangata whenua of Aotearoa.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 23 2018 2:24 utc | 36

DRJ @ 36: Whatever “traditions” you have, we’ll adopt eventually!
Takes a while … our average IQs are not great.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 23 2018 3:54 utc | 38

Trump pardoned the Sawdi turkey on the same day he pardoned the other turkeys and offended the entire Turkey population.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 4:25 utc | 40

@ Circe with the line up of Turkeys…..nice
I would just suggest b that you don’t plan any trips to SA in the near future.
Speaking of trips. Any but me think that the G20 is being set up for Show Time?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2018 4:36 utc | 42

Debsisdead | Nov 22, 2018 9:24:51 PM | 35
Once again, you are punching way above your weight when it comes to Gabbard.
Do your bloody homework…

Posted by: V | Nov 23 2018 5:35 utc | 44

Put “Plucked – Anon”

Posted by: Domza | Nov 23 2018 5:40 utc | 46

mauisurfer | Nov 22, 2018 11:03:20 PM | 38
V | Nov 23, 2018 12:35:07 AM | 43
Life imitates art exactly as I am talking about. Old MoA hands may remember the same line of argument back in ’04 after Oblamblam was the keynote speaker at the dem convention. I say now what I said back then “wait & see”.
Talk talk is what Gabbard does just like Oblamblam. Talk is cheap.
Gabbard is a politician and a keen spruiker for ‘our troops’ aka the c*nts currently butchering, raping and pillaging about the planet.
She does exactly the same gig as a police union rep helping to cover up the crimes by blaming the grunts’ act on the bosses when the truth is they are all complicit in the evil – there are no good ‘guys’ in the amerikan military, they all either murder and rape or gutlessly turn a blind eye to those who do. She does good in Hawai’i because it is a major stomping ground for military and retired military types who lap up her nonsense about good warriors b eing given bad orders as if it were mother’s milk cos they imagine that gets ’em off the hook for being willing parties to murder and mayhem. It doesn’t – all are volunteers who made a conscious decision to be the fist for the rich, rather than take their chances with the sh1tkickers and maybe having to be the face which cops that fist. Now they seek absolution for their evil. Ha! no chance.
As I said above the only person competent to represent Hawai’i is an indigenous Hawai’ian selected by Hawai’ian tradition – anything else is imperialist bulldust. Just because 100 years ago, a crew of navy thugs took over Hawai’i at the behest of a mob of corrupt SF gangsters who had paid off bent dem pols in DC, changes nothing. They murdered the Hawai’an traditional leaders by infecting ’em with diseases while holding them under house arrest – incarcerated for decades.
Gabbard legitimates that evil conduct by a) spruiking for the military who committed the murders and b) claiming to represent Hawai’i totally in breach of indigenous custom.
If she really wanted to get her snout in the trough that much and is the caring n sharing type she claims to be, she would have picked a spot in amerika where the indigenous population had already been genocided, instead of making herself party to contemporary cultural destruction.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 23 2018 6:19 utc | 48

#47
Besides using a strawman; you’re all over and factullay wrong.
There is no possible comparrison between Gabbard and Obama; she doesn’t belong in the same sentence with Obama.
Obama is a slick customer, never in the military, and especially never saw combat.
Your “points” are mute.
Your indigini crap is just that. Gabbard was elected by Hawaiians.
You haven’t even put together a cogent argument…

Posted by: V | Nov 23 2018 6:37 utc | 50

Posted by: mauisurfer | Nov 23, 2018 1:35:11 AM | 48
you do not speak hawaiian
I went to Maui 3 times.
Beautiful place. Beautiful beaches, warm water, a bit windy, but great overall.
However, something felt a bit odd. Yes, the names of places and streets are all in Hawaiian, but I have not (over)heard anyone actually speaking Hawaiian there. Mostly English, except cleaning ladies and garden boys -they spoke Filipino. And I was shopping groceries in Foodland and Safeway, I guess the same places locals go.
Do you speak Hawaiian at home?

Posted by: hopehely | Nov 23 2018 7:34 utc | 52

Re Gabbard
It’s clear that we’ll never be free of Dembot relapsing. That’s how terminal addicts are. At any given time the great majority of the fake “radicals” who go around claiming to despise the Democrat Party are really just secretly yearning for the next fraudulent “progressive” Democrat hero to come along and sweep them off their feet and back into the Dembot fold.
Kucinich, Obama, Warren, Hillary sheepdog extraordinaire Sanders, “AOC” (who just got done telling the Dembot version of climate activists, “Let’s get behind Pelosi!”), Gabbard, many more whose names I’ve forgotten.
I’ve never understood the unbreakable infatuation with the Democrats, other than the clear fact that support for them isn’t political at all, but a type of celebrity fandom.
Any actual sentient political person knows that the historical record of the Democrats is one long unbroken scam, that the “celebrity progressive hero” meme is invariably a fraud, and that this will never change for as long as the Democrat Party and its partisans exist.
Of course we already see Dembots everywhere crowing that the House majority is going to do “real things”, and without missing a beat their showcase promise is: “We’re going to make Trump release his tax forms!” I.e. the exact kind of worthless theater which does nothing to help anyone real, the exact kind of misdirection scam in which the Democrats specialize.
The same goes for worthless tweets. BTW did Gabbard also give tweets condemning the Zionist state? I’m betting no. Just like “AOC” backpedalled as fast as she could from her pro-Palestinian comments. She even told an interviewer “I really don’t know what I’m talking about there.” (Not an exact quote, but the gist.)

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 8:04 utc | 54

Now here’s one for a laugh!
The Emirates is organizing the World Summit on Tolerance
http://www.voltairenet.org/article204048.html

Posted by: William Bowles | Nov 23 2018 9:59 utc | 56

#53
Well Russ, I disagree when it comes to Gabbard (she’s got more balls than most men).
As somebody remarked above Gabbard went to Syria and met with Assad.
She fought in Iraq; have you?
I say, until proven otherwise; give her the benefit of the doubt.
What other choices are there AOC? Ha! Bernie bro? Ha!
They’re all bankrupt bastards.
We’ll see…

Posted by: V | Nov 23 2018 11:09 utc | 58

I wouldn’t accept an invitation to a Saudi Embassy if I were you:)

Posted by: Doggrotter | Nov 23 2018 11:25 utc | 60

Bellingcat has identified a second man named wanted by Interpol in an unsuccessful coup attempt in Montenegro in 2016 (Second GRU Officer Indicted in Montenegro Coup Unmasked via @bellingcat https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/11/22/second-gru-officer-indicted-montenegro-coup-unmasked/). He was identified as Vladimir Nikolaevich Moiseev – a senior GRU agent. According to a 2016 article in the Guardian (Serbia deports Russians suspected of plotting Montenegro coup https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/11/serbia-deports-russians-suspected-of-plotting-montenegro-coup?CMP=share_btn_tw):

“……..A source close to the Belgrade government said Patrushev, a former FSB (federal security service) chief, apologised for what he characterised as a rogue operation that did not have the Kremlin’s sanction. In Moscow, a Security Council official told Tass that Patrushev “didn’t apologise to anyone, because there is nothing to apologise for”…….”

This is more evidence that the Russian government was directly behind the coup attempt motivated to prevent Montenegro from joining NATO. A spokesperson for the Russian Foreign Ministry took exception to the Guardian article at the time declaring:

“…….Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry wrote on Facebook: “The publication in the Guardian with a link to ‘sources’ saying that Patrushev apologised for ‘Russian nationalists’ who had planned to kill the prime minister of Montenegro is a classic provocation aimed at spreading knowingly false information.”
“I declare you “liars of the day”. You can sew your own hat.”……..”

No government lies more than the Russian government i.e., MH17, Red Crescent Aid Convoy, Skripal, attempted coup in Montenegro, interference in the US election, invasions of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, etc.

Posted by: craigsummers | Nov 23 2018 13:38 utc | 62

@58
There is no peace with Israel! The fallacy of that statement on Israel dismantles your argument. Just state that there is self-interest or self-preservation involved if Putin sells out Iran to that stinking shithole Zionist entity. Iran fought side by side with Russia and is an invited presence in Syria and a counter-weight to Zionist U.S. presence in Syria and surrounding Zionist U.S. bases.
With all the Zionist Russian oligarchs breathing down Putin’s neck in Russia, and the demented Zionist state having a large percentage of Russian immigrants, Putin kowtows to Zionism like everyone else. Yes, Putin is using Syria to get leverage over the U.S./Nato axis, but Israel is tied to his self-preservation, so he’ll drop Iran in a minute for that reason, but don’t say it’s for the sake of peace when Israel has its sights on Iran as the next target of the Empire. It’s totally disingenuous to use peace and Israel in the same sentence.
Next, @57 regarding the Gabbard tussle debs and others are having here: it’s all moot since she offended compassionate Democrat sensibilities by meeting with Assad. Don’t mention her name on Democratic sites; they can’t stand her and you’ll be excoriated for bringing her up. So she’ll never be the nominee anyway. Now, I don’t think either that it’s necessary to even bring up the indigenous in Hawaii considering what was also done to native Americans on the mainland.
There’s something else that disqualifies her. I used to trust and be gung-ho on Tulsi because of her association with Kucinich, but she lost my respect entirely after she started rubbing shoulders with this Zionist slime:
Gabbard’s Zionist Friends
I couldn’t be bothered getting the picture on it’s own so don’t blame me for the comments that surround it. Regardless, I no longer trust Gabbard because of her toxic Zionist associates.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 14:51 utc | 64

hopehely
you asked about Hawaiian language
I am an old man, and very few spoke Hawaiian in my youth.
it was mostly old folks at home. An old kahuna told me that the Hawaiian people were like the setting sun.
Dr. Charlie Judd taught a class in Hawaiian at UH Manoa,
that was about the only public class in Hawaiian.
Now there are Hawaiian immersion schools, public schools where Hawaiian is spoken. And I hear more Hawaiian spoken all the time. Hawaiian culture and language have made a comeback in the past 40 years. This is mostly cultural, with people like Gabby Pahinui becoming recognized – I remember when Cyrus Faryar could not get anyone in L.A. to market recordings of Gabby! But it is also political, probably the constitutional convention 40 years ago was a keystone event as it created
the Office of Hawaiian Affairs (O.H.A.).
Next time you come to Maui, visit the Paia School, it is a beautiful old campus bursting with new energy.
Here is some background:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/tomorrows_test/2016/06/how_the_ka_papahana_kaiapuni_immersion_schools_saved_the_hawaiian_language.html
quote
In 1978, the Hawaiian language was recognized as one of the official languages of the state of Hawaii (the other being English). Public Hawaiian language immersion preschools were established in 1984, and other immersion schools soon followed.
Today, there are about 1,000 native Hawaiian speakers and around 8,000 people who can speak and understand the language fluently according to the UCLA Language Materials Project. It is a far cry from the estimated 400,000-800,000 native Hawaiian speakers during the time of Captain Cook, but it’s a good start at resurrecting a dying language.
endquote
https://www.to-hawaii.com/hawaiian-language.php

Posted by: mauisurfer | Nov 23 2018 14:53 utc | 66

Sadly (or laughably, if you are in a jolly mood), Russ and Debisdead, and their handful of likeminded others who daily gather about the ultraleft internet world (such as it is) will never change their tune in the face of all evidence pointing to their invective (they term this “critical education”) adding up to nothing except furtherance of rightwing oppression currently sweeping the world.
They offer nothing to motivate people other than the rejection of mainstream political movements of the center-left which are already organised, in reactionary political parties to be sure, into the tens of millions in the US.
Large numbers will be required if Russ, debs and their relatively few peers ever in fact wake up from their blogging stupors (extremely doubtful, imho, based on evidence of the prior 10-15 years) and become a vanguard of the movement to topple and replace the liberal democratic system with a fair system for all the people.
Lenin already nailed Russ, debs (and their few peers) to the wall way back in 1920:

Is parliamentarianism “politically obsolete”? That is quite a different matter. If that were true, the position of the “Lefts” would be a strong one. But it has to be proved by a most searching analysis, and the “Lefts” do not even know how to approach the matter.

Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 23 2018 15:00 utc | 68

@61
No government lies more than the Russian government
That’s not true. Israel lies more than any other state, followed by the Zionist surrogate United States.
———–
Caption for picture: Okay, who get’s to saw, my bad, carve the turkey?
I say the Yemeni!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 15:04 utc | 70

Regarding Tulsi Gabbard.
In the last open thread I advanced the notion that humans are much more changeable than we tend to assume, or that our institutions plan on. I could back this claim with substantial collateral but I’ll skip that here.
In my view, when we group Gabbard in with corrupt politicians, we do the greatest disservice to our own understanding of how corruption works. We also give in and surrender to evil, sooner than we should. So we should beware of this kind of thinking, both from an honorable place of not maligning a person who may not yet have earned it, and also from a strategic view of not giving into defeatism.
What really matters about the Gabbard situation is the history of other people and institutions that once were on our side and stood as our heroes, and who now seem compromised, corrupted, silenced or destroyed. There are powerful forces at play that can turn the good to the bad. These are the forces that we should be intent on identifying, in my opinion.
An overarching cynicism will only weary us, and the struggle is still alive. Cynicism is the cousin of defeatism and premature surrender. It’s a position encouraged by the enemy, because it appears strong while it is actually weak. It’s one of the tools that tame – the greatest of course being the one that divides us against each other, while the enemy rules.
What will be useful to watch with Gabbard will be what forces come to work on her, and how long she can remain true to her indigenous spiritual strength, if indeed she has not already caved in (I haven’t studied the situation).
Sooner or later someone or some ones must appear who can remain true to the welfare of the people, and survive all the forces that work to subvert that. Our sitting around hoping for real change, however, is not going to get it done. Nor is falsely identifying as true those who are already corrupted, or conversely, labeling as lost those who might still have some truth in them. Understanding in precise detail and calling out and shedding light on these forces of subversion, might just help, however.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23 2018 15:25 utc | 72

Grieved 71,
Fact is, if we took your comment and replaced “Gabbard” with “Obama”, we could pretty much transpose it verbatim to 2008-09 and it would fit right in with what the Obamabots were saying.
I agree, cynicism is pernicious, and I can’t imagine anything more cynical than continued special pleading on behalf of the Democrats, after all they’ve proven throughout their perfidious history.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 15:31 utc | 74

@72 Russ
Maybe. But I think for Obama this would fall under “falsely identifying as true someone who was already corrupted”. What I get from people who have studied Gabbard is that she hasn’t yet fallen, and – conceivably – may not fall.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23 2018 15:40 utc | 76

There’s a great interview with Michael Hudson from last year that I only watched yesterday. It’s on the RT show, Renegade, Inc., which produces some excellent economic commentary.
Towards the end they were discussing Obama’s actual legacy, and Hudson was very clear about all the broken promises Obama made. He said that in 2016, Hillary told everyone that after 8 years of Obama, they were better off than they were in 2008. Everyone knew this was not true, and so they voted for Trump, who at least presented himself as understanding this.
So Obama’s actual true legacy, said Hudson, was Trump.
I thought that was a gem worth sharing. The brief interview is here:
J is for Junk Economics

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23 2018 15:47 utc | 78

Millionaires Running Democratic Party Meet In Secret
A big club is meeting to discuss “progressive” causes. Reporters aren’t allowed. Here are the details… Jimmy Dore gets it.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 23 2018 16:03 utc | 80

If Tulsi Gabbard weren’t corrupted, she would stay away from the Adelsons no matter what cause they’re peddling that she might share. The Adelsons are kryptonite for trust! She should know that! She should know better! Find some other financier for your cause, lady!
Now, to russ’s point. Yes, it’s good to get people to focus on another option besides the Dems (hopefully you don’t mean the Republicans who are part of the same duopoly syndicate). However, the problem is that in a non-democracy with two Zionist-owned parties monopolizing the mass demographic, just how do you intend that third option to win?

Posted by: Circe | Nov 23 2018 16:09 utc | 82

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 23, 2018 10:47:49 AM | 76
“So Obama’s actual true legacy, said Hudson, was Trump.”
Exactly right, as Hudson usually is. Trump is the logical culmination to date of the entire trend of the last 30 years of US politics: Post-Cold War, escalated neoliberalism, full knowledge and consensus denial (albeit in different conservative and liberal flavors) of climate change. Trump is both the culmination thus far and firmly within the same unvarying trend.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:13 utc | 84

“murdering”

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:19 utc | 86

Circe 80
Certainly I don’t mean the Republicans. I reject the Corporate One-Party in its entirety.
And I reject all of electoralism as any kind of primary strategy and goal, both because it’s a kangaroo farce set up by the elites to present the simulacrum of “democracy”, and also because any alleged “alternative” party wouldn’t be any real alternative. For a perfect example just look at the Greens who my friend donkeybot is suddenly so excited about.
No, I’ve written for many years now that the only path home is to first put in the hard, perhaps long and dangerous, but necessary work of building a cultural/spiritual/social/economic movement completely outside the system, against the system, without any of the system’s personnel. Only when such a movement is a self-sustaining going concern, able to rely on its own social strength, can it then be in a position to force change directly or to then rear a political party and run candidates for higher office. And the purpose of such office-holders would not be to “do good things” within the system, but to be monkey-wrenchers and grid-lockers on behalf of the extralegal movement action.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:27 utc | 88

Donkey, I don’t mean the question about what of substance separates the Democrats and Trump. I’ve given up on getting an answer to that one. I mean why a self-alleged non-Dembot would be such an ardent shill for the Democrats the way you are. You refuse to answer.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 23 2018 16:31 utc | 90

This article somewhat relates to discussion above regarding “purity” of political intentions, but also asks why these noble ideas could not be “sold” to working class people.
“A number of years ago, Noam Chomsky commented on how amazed he was by the intelligence of working class people when they called into a sports talk program the Monday after Sunday’s NFL games. Their analysis of what plays didn’t work, what plays could have worked along with the strengths and weaknesses of the players was astounding. But then he pointed out how all this intelligence goes away when the same people are then asked to make a political analysis of the current events in their lives – working conditions, wages, war. The working class is mute when asked to explain how and why capitalism is failing. The question is not why working class people have cognitive compartmentalization, separating sporting events from their everyday life. The question is what does sports offer people that makes them so involved? Have socialists asked themselves what would have to happen to make working class people be carried away by socialism the way they are by sports?”
Facing the music: religion, nationalism, and sports have enchanted the working class; socialism hasn’t
by Bruce Lerro / November 18th, 2018
https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/11/facing-the-music-religion-nationalism-and-sports-have-enchanted-the-working-class-socialism-hasnt/

Posted by: ex-SA | Nov 23 2018 16:38 utc | 92

And this one might be able to answer to the article above.
“This blindness is the product of decades, now, of electronic media indoctrination. People even admit this, accept that its true. But they still remain habituated to their various screens. They still wear buttons saying ‘I voted’. They still become shrill and near hysterical at the idea YOU voted for a third party candidate, or worse, didn’t vote at all. How does that work? The presidency of Obama is revealing, both as it happened, and now as an object of near history. If you tell people Obama was the president who signed off on (and presumably helped design) the joint US/Saudi assault on Yemen, you will get denial or blank stares. If you say, well, ICE deported people under Obama, and at a record clip. You get denial. Or that Obama was notorious for persecuting whistle blowers and for narrowing press freedoms as much as possible. Denial. Blankness. Obama was the fulcrum for a very late onset of amnesia. Collectively speaking. He has taken the role of mental black hole. History began and stopped with Obama. (I actually think Michelle might run for President in 2020).”
Liar Liar
by John Steppling / November 21, 2018
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/21/liar-liar/

Posted by: ex-SA | Nov 23 2018 16:45 utc | 94

@67 donkey… your post was a particularly unfriendly one where you make a wide generalized personal attack on many of the posters here at moa.. please remember moa is not usa centric.. there are many posters at mopa who live outside of the usa! if you wish to discuss usa politics all the time and nothing else, i understand.. but others outside the usa do have relevant viewpoints and see just how demented the usa has become on all levels including the political one.. thanks..
@76 grieved… michael hudson quote “So Obama’s actual true legacy, said Hudson, was Trump.” that isn’t all that flattering of obama! regarding your comment @74, i happen to agree with russ… however, i stand above cynicism, and remain open to being humbled by the thought that some politician might rise out of the usa political system who is not another shill for it’s own self destruction.. maybe that person is tulsi gabbard… people can hope… the last president people had great hope for was obama and unfortunately it was misplaced..

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2018 17:07 utc | 96

@63 Circe and others re Tulsi G
Now, I’m totally confused: Wednesday, Gabbard tweeted “Hey @realdonaldtrump: being Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.” Before that, she tweeted about stopping US support for KSA in Yemen. In July she’s with Adelson and that right wing Rabbi?

Posted by: spudski | Nov 23 2018 17:14 utc | 98

@89
Have you seen this post? https://southfront.org/us-officer-appears-to-be-involved-in-norways-frigate-collision/
There have been a number of collisions in 2018 involving US warships and civilian ships. Following official investigations, I think that one senior officer was sacked, others were demoted. The route cause seems to be that there is not enough training of US navy personnel.
So maybe it is the competence of the US officer which should be looked at rather than the gender of the Norwegian sailors?

Posted by: cirsium | Nov 23 2018 17:23 utc | 100