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November 06, 2018

Open Thread 2018-59

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Posted by b on November 6, 2018 at 18:18 UTC | Permalink

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The pain in my right shoulder is much better now and I can somewhat use my arm again.

The issue isn't serious but likely just a reaction to constant overuse under not ideal ergonomic circumstances. I was told to refrain from typing and using the mouse for another day or two or until I feel no more pain at all.

Thanks for all the advise and best wishes.

Posted by: b | Nov 6 2018 18:26 utc | 1

hey b... good to hear... i wonder if voice recognition software would work for you? it is a way of avoiding typing.. not sure if it could work, but worth looking into or asking the computer geeks here..

john in umbria.. thanks for your more knowledgeable view on italy which i was unaware of... there was a front page article on italy's financial game plan in the financial times from yesterday that i almost looks like some are hoping that the new party fails..that was how i read the ft article anyway..

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2018 18:29 utc | 2

Given that it's election day, this song spells out just about how I feel:

It's also a good song for the regulars here at the bar, of which I am one. Belly up to the bar, people! Long live MoA!

Posted by: m | Nov 6 2018 18:35 utc | 3

This I believe:

I believe kindness and tolerance should permeate the earth
I believe beauty is the worthy search for truth

I believe in the minute and steady click of the clock
I believe the beat goes on

I believe we are born to live, and
I believe we are born to love life, and
I believe we are meant to fulfill our humanity

I believe in flower people and,
I believe in ballerinas
I believe the ballerinas, during the intervals, stink like horses
I believe in going into no further detail here

I believe rock and roll is here to stay
I believe in Roy Orbison, and
I believe in Bridges Over Troubled Water
I believe in Fleetwood Mac

I believe in hippies hitchhiking, (long time no see) and,
I believe had it not been for the serene moral courage of hippies,
we’d still be fighting in Vietnam.

I believe Nixon was a crook, and
I believe people should say nasty things at funerals, and
I believe audible wisecracks would serve as well

I believe I have a mint of beliefs in my head

I believe despair is always conservative, and
I believe hope is always liberal

I believe in kind and tender mothers

I believe in decent people, and
I believe in people on the side of justice
I believe in reasonable people, fair-minded people

I believe people should not kill in any manner or degree
I believe people should not kill the human spirit
I believe people should not kill hopes

I believe I am enjoying everything generally supposed to confer happiness
I believe in girls with bouncing breasts, and
I believe in gobs of whipped cream

I believe in showy flowers
I believe peacocks are fond of ostentation
I believe in following the winding and wide road

I believe the y in beond is not useful

I believe it is very healthy to split a bottle of wine at supper

I believe capital punishment teaches us all to render deeds of killing

I believe in progress
I believe in professionally organized closets, clapping light switches, ovulation kits, and
I believe in gimmicks of all sorts
I believe in surgically altered schnozzolas, but
I believe in natcheril tits

I believe in skimming from one topic to another

I believe everybody wants to live a gay and extravagant life

I believe there are some witches to be told off

I believe Islam is a crazy, absurd religion, and
I believe Christianity is preposterous, and
I believe Judaism is a sheer, blank, bottomless lie

I believe the earth is a real honky-tonk joint

I believe a mental home should be built instead of a godatorium, and
I believe a deed should be done instead of a prayer said

I believe in living a vigorous life, with a vitality of feeling
I believe in the out of doors

I believe in taking a sweet morning mouthful of country air
I believe in the bracing effect of seaside air,
I believe in drawing a deep breath of clean pine scented air.

I believe in a soft wind that kisses the flowers
I believe butterflies are in cahoots with tulips
I believe in fields of young sweet clover

I believe in a dappled fawn
I believe in alpine cottages
I believe in wolves prowling the forest

I believe in soaring quail
I believe in babbling brooks, and
I believe the fullest and sweetest ears of corn hang lowest to the ground

I believe in smells sweet to my nostrils
I believe in freshly cut grass
I believe in the odor of a tack room saturated with rawhides
I believe in the musk of an aroused woman

I believe in taking things easily and
I believe in ignoring trivial irritations

I believe in coffee, and
I believe in apple fritters, and
I believe bacon and eggs were made for each other

I believe in simple milk chocolate
I believe in ham and swiss on pumpernickel

I believe a knit dress packs well
I believe a traveling person lives more in one day
than a staying home person lives in a month
I believe there is always something around the bend

I believe Mexican food is the eleventh plague of mankind, and
I believe they eat hot little green peppers called jalapenos, and
I believe they eat chilies of all sorts, and
I believe they wonder why the next day they are so diarrhetic
they need to keep their finger up.

I believe Africa has flies galore going around annoying people
I believe people in Africa live in minus neighborhoods, and
I believe some live in little globular houses, like mud-wasp nests
I believe they are a sad, shabby, shaggy-looking lot

I believe in vines intertwined and monkeys trapezing

I believe there were two cannibals sitting beneath a dense cover of jungle trees, and
I believe they were having a clown for lunch, and
I believe one said to the other, ‘does this taste funny to you?’

I believe climate has much to do with cheerfulness.

I believe pot keeps the birds off the antenna.
I believe Trump needs a poke in the puss

I believe people not in shape should be taxed, say, 20%.
I believe in keeping my appearance up to par

I believe in liberty, real liberty
I believe liberty is the absolute freedom from mind control
I believe the motto ‘In God We Trust” is a slap in the face to atheists,
a kick in the cajones to Madison, and
contradictory to the principles of pluralism
I believe this motto is cognitive capture of the dark, war-enabling kind.

I believe this stinks, and
I believe we’ve all been stunked upon.

I believe the state has taken a leap of faith to recognize a supreme being, and
I believe this leap of faith is beyond its power or competence, and
I believe this warrants revolution.

I believe at times life is a perfect ecstasy of song, clear, ringing, copious
I believe in singing sometimes a nonsense song

I believe in a lively woman who can dance, weep and love, and
I believe in veiled women, dancing with their entire bodies, moving slowly,
Undulating their abdomens to the sound of gongs

I believe there is a long list of acts in foreplay
I believe in doing the agreeable
I believe in to and fro, up and down, side to side

I believe “oh!-god!” is an acute expressive of severe pleasure
I believe in scandalous intimacies, skillfully curled, lay many worlds
I believe in the radiant mist of the afterglow

I believe a secret to pleasing is being pleased

I believe in having all of one’s wishes granted

I believe my day will come, but
I believe you can draw your own conclusions from what you have seen

I believe a poem should be fat with wisdom information

I believe life is a living process, yet
I believe in the present, and a nowness well seen to.

I believe tomorrow is another day
I believe in Friar Tuck. Friar Tuck shows us the way.

Posted by: A. Person | Nov 6 2018 19:07 utc | 4

Posted by: A. Person | Nov 6, 2018 2:07:20 PM | 4

I believe your mother dropped you on your head.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 6 2018 19:46 utc | 5

Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif provides Iran's response to the Outlaw US Empire's unilateral, illegal sanctions that target the Iranian citizenry in an articulate 3 minute video.

Apparently, The Financial Times has published an article, "Europe should work with Iran to counter US unilateralism," but you must be a subscriber to read the item. Looking about for a synopsis, I discovered the item's an op/ed by Iranian President Rouhani, with what seems a good recap here.

Given the number of waivers issued to its sanctions, the sanctions won't destabilize the oil market as prices have trended downward the past several days, although what they do restrict will cause great harm to the Iranian public.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 6 2018 19:54 utc | 6

I think the Democrats will take this one, but I hope not. Here's hoping that more third parties will gain control of the country because we desperately need more third parties.

Anyway, has anyone else read Eurasia Future before? It's a very good website. I suggest you all read it.

If you guys have any other websites to share, then as always, please do so. I believe that this will be more vital as time goes on. The reason why I constantly ask if you guys have any websites to share is because of the increasing amount of censorship that's happening. I'm a young person, but I see it clear as day: the United States is turning more authoritarian and is in decline.

Posted by: TruthFinder | Nov 6 2018 20:04 utc | 7

...and for all you people that care...A poem with brevity...

In Flanders Fields
John McCrae, 1872 - 1918

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place, and in the sky,
The larks, still bravely singing, fly,
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the dead; short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe!
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high!
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

Posted by: Taffyboy | Nov 6 2018 20:10 utc | 8

Some old school Don Lee...

"a poem to compliment other poems"

life if u were a match i wd light u into something beautiful. change.
for the better into a realreal together thing. change, from a make believe
nothing on cornmeal and water. change.
change. from the last drop to the first, maxwellhouse did. change.
change was a programmer for imb, thought him was a brown computer. change.
colored is something written on southern outhouses. change.
greyhound did, i mean they got rest rooms on buses. change.
change nigger.
saw a nigger hippy, him wanted to be different. changed.
saw a nigger liberal. him wanted to be different changed.
saw a nigger conservative, him wanted to be different. changed.
niggers don't u know that niggers are different. change.
a double change. nigger wanted a double zero in front of his name; a license to kill,
niggers are licensed to be killed. change. a negro: something pigs eat.
change. i say change into a realblack righteous aim. like i don't play saxophone but that doesn't mean i don't dig 'trane.' change.
hear u coming but yr/steps are too loud. change. even a lamp post changes nigger.
change, stop being an instant yes machine. change.
niggers don't change they just grow. that's a change; bigger &better niggers. change, into a necessary blackself.
change, like a gas meter gets higher.
change, like a blues song talking about a righteous tomorrow.
change, like a tax bill getting higher.
change, like a good sister getting better.
change, like knowing wood will burn. change.
know the realenemy.
change nigger: standing on the corner, thought him was cool.

him still standing there. it's winter time, him cool.

know the realenemy.
change: him wanted to be a tv star. him is. ten o'clock news.

wanted, wanted. nigger stole some lemon & lime popsicles, thought them were diamonds.

change nigger change.
know the realenemy.
change: is u is or is u aint. change. now now change. for the better change.

read a change. live a change. read a blackpoem. change. be the realpeople.
change. blackpoems

will change:
know the realenemy. change. know the realenemy. change yr/enemy change know the real
change know the real enemy change, change, know the realenemy, the realenemy, the real
realenemy change your the enemies/ change your change your change your enemy change
your enemy. know the realenemy, the world's enemy. know them know them know them the
realenemy change your enemy change your change change change your enemy change change
change change your change change change.
mind nigger.

Posted by: b4real | Nov 6 2018 20:17 utc | 9


Fewer Words in celebration of today's USA orgy of demon-cracy voter-ogeny. Red-, Blue-, Red-, Blue-, lick, lick, lick.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Nov 6 2018 20:30 utc | 10

If a Global Armistice were declared for the 100th anniversary of 11/11/1918, which entities would actually agree: The Outlaw US Empire and its Terrorist Allies? The Zionists? NATO and its Terrorist Allies? The 4+1: Russia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Hezbollah? Taliban and Afghan forces? Saudi Arabia, UAE and its Terrorist Allies? Houthis? All irregular forces within Africa and their national opponents? Oh, almost forgot the biggest and longest ongoing conflict of them all: The Class War, meaning the Elites waging it against everyone else. Did I omit anyone? Yeah, Turks and Kurds. Seems like more of a global war going on now versus 1918 with the Outlaw US Empire's drive to attain Full Spectrum Dominance targeting all of humanity and Nature.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 6 2018 20:41 utc | 11

Facebook purged some more "Russian" accounts today/last night. I wonder if the average "Voter" knows that Facebook's head of cybersecurity was also Obama's head of cybersecurity, as well as a Senior Associate at CSIS(main thinktank behind the US anti-Russian script)? This entire country is sleepwalking. It's actually some feat that the climate is as divisive as it is. Zombieland.

Posted by: sejomoje | Nov 6 2018 20:42 utc | 12


As you certainly know, the oil producers and frackers are technically insolvent, also China filled up a vast strategic oil reserve, USA filled a vast strategic oil reserve, so Trump-Pence's intent is the exact same as Bush-Cheney's with Iraq: destroy oil supply to below demand, and as soon as reserves are depleted this winter heating season, crude prices will spike back up to a break-even for the frackers, Canucks and Venezuelans, whereupon supply will rip again, and prices fall to trade within a range of right around $100 a bbl, €2 a liter petrol surcharge for your IPCC Carbon Catholic tithe.

Would you like turnips with that?

Posted by: Anton Worter | Nov 6 2018 20:45 utc | 13

#14 Anton Wortor
One of the more unambiguous indicators that our world is heating up dangerously is the rise in sea levels.
And Anton, I'd like to request you please cut back on the sarcasm when this subject is discussed.

Posted by: Glenn Brown | Nov 6 2018 21:06 utc | 14

Karlof, keep posting, this may be of assistance.

Posted by: Col from OZ | Nov 6 2018 21:08 utc | 15

Thanks to Taffyboy @ 8 for In Flanders Fields, which reminds us what a real poem is – as opposed to stream of consciousness rants that pretend to be poems. As celebs in the UK wear the obligatory poppy for remembrance of those who gave their lives in rich people’s wars, Manchester United’s Nemanja Matic courageously refused to wear a poppy on the football field as it reminded him of the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 when he was a small boy. NATO armed and paid extremist Muslims to go to war with the Serbs in a sort of rehearsal for the devastation we are so familiar with in Libya and Syria to name but two. Except then we had no internet and no access to the thoughts of people like b.

For those who didn’t catch Debsisdead’s comment yesterday @13 I recommend you take a look at it for a different take on the “caravan” heading to the US border. You could also get a copy of “Open Veins of Latin America” by Eduardo Galeano for a comprehensive look – though it is a bit dated nothing has really changed.

I am heartened by the turmoil in the stock exchanges in October. The FED have turned off the QE taps, pushed up interest rates and corporates are just not buying back enough shares. So the crash is on the way. Let’s hope it happens before things get really ugly and we all find ourselves in Flanders Fields.

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 6 2018 21:16 utc | 16


Gee, I was expecting cabbage and Victory Gin. Do you know what variety of crude the US strategic Oil Reserve holds and its refinability?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 6 2018 21:18 utc | 17

b. This happened to me a few years ago but it takes longer than they say to recover. It happened me when I was doing a lot of copy and paste and I got shooting pains and pins and needles in my right arm. I started to use my left hand after I met a pilot at Barajas airport in Madrid in the queue for passports. He told me he flew Airbus planes, so I asked him, knowing that Airbus use joysticks either in the left hand (pilot) or right hand (first officer), how he adapted to having to use his left hand to land a plane. He said he started doing everything with his left hand – cups of tea, vacuuming, key in the door of his house…

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 6 2018 21:59 utc | 18

Mueller has held off publishing any reports or further indictments on Russia-gate. This was in respect for the elections today. Even if Mueller had conclusive evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia, this would not make any difference to Trump's base of support. Most of his base would thank Putin and Assange for exposing the corrupt HRC campaign.

Personally, I think there is better than a 70% chance that the Trump campaign entered into a conspiracy with Russia - sanctions relief (for Russia) in exchange for help with the campaign (i.e. dirt on HRC). Russia continued to attack the Hillary campaign even after Crowdstrike identified Russian hackers on the DNC computer including hacking "...into email accounts used by Clinton’s personal office “after hours” on 27 July 2016...." according to Mueller.

Regardless, Trump will not be removed from office unless he is defeated in the 2020 election. He most certainly will not resign no matter what Mueller finds - and there likely will not be enough votes to remove him from office.

Posted by: craigsummers | Nov 6 2018 22:09 utc | 19

Poor old craigsummers. Get a life.

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 6 2018 22:18 utc | 20

#1 b,

I had a similar shoulder pain that was painful enough to interrupt
my sleep.

Ditto my wife.

It all disappeared after we started taking morning and night 30 ml
of Magnesium chloride dissolved in water, 30grams to a liter.

Never had any more joint pain. Also, bones did not hurt anymore after
taking Cialis, as it did before. (common side effect of tadalafil (Cialis)).

Posted by: CarlD | Nov 6 2018 22:21 utc | 21

@JohnnyHeald (aka craigsummers)

Hey Johnny! You're alias isn't working.

1) We know that your JohnnyHeald, Director of Gallop Intl and Head of ORB Intl 'cause your so proud of your work that you referenced it when it made no sense to do so. Oops!

2) Everyone hates your craigsummers alias. It's just not working for you.

Really would be MUCH better for your "brand" to tell us about YOU and the exciting field of survey propaganda. I'm sure you've accumulated many stories!

You in the spotlight Johnny! This is your chance for social media stardom! Don't Blow It!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 6 2018 22:35 utc | 22

The latest garbage issued by the yanks.
"Following the use of a “Novichok” nerve agent in an attempt to assassinate UK citizen Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia Skripal, the United States, on August 6, 2018, determined under the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991 (CBW Act) that the Government of the Russian Federation has used chemical or biological weapons in violation of international law or has used lethal chemical or biological weapons against its own nationals.

Following a 15-day Congressional notification period, these sanctions will take effect upon publication of a notice in the Federal Register, expected on or around August 22, 2018"
"The department in August had threatened Russia with added sanctions after 90 days unless it complied with the 1991 Chemical and Biological Weapons and Warfare Elimination Act.

Under the law, Russia had to end the use of the nerve agent Novichok, which was used in the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in March, commit to not using chemical weapons against its own people, and allow on-site inspections by agencies like the United Nations.

“Today, the department informed Congress we could not certify that the Russian Federation met the conditions,” U.S. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said in a statement."

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 6 2018 22:39 utc | 23

current cnn header: this election is about trump

remember emmanual goldstein in 1984? & how absolutely everything was his fault? :) ...

Posted by: semiconscious | Nov 6 2018 22:41 utc | 24

24 - "Under the law, Russia had to end the use of the nerve agent Novichok..."

However, to show good faith, President Putin has stopped beating his wife.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Nov 6 2018 22:49 utc | 25

The second Moscow Conference on Afghanistan is due to meet this Friday, this time with all players present. As with the Astana process, the Outlaw US Empire's being circumvented, and for good reason as it desires neverending war to beset Afghanistan and the region it inhabits so as to keep its hopes alive at somehow regaining control of the Eurasian Heartland. Perhaps by 2020, some form of settlement amenable to all parties will emerge and the Empire will concede defeat--declare victory and leave--in yet another pointless war.

Meanwhile further West, more Syrian and Iraqi forces are being sent to al-Bukamal area with the intent of rolling-up Daesh and pushing inept SDF-Outlaw US Empire forces back to their Northern confines. Currently it's difficult to get good intel on SAA's and PMU's plans. Operation might coincide with limited offensive from Western Aleppo. Plenty of everything seems to be ready at both locations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 6 2018 22:51 utc | 26

Okay, this is the last time I trust the polls and not my instincts! You know what I suspect? College kids showed up at the polls but lied to pollsters. Looks like the wave is coming after all. Now you know there's no democracy to see here, since both parties are beholden bought and sold, but I gotta say it'll be fun to watch some fireworks. I wanna see a lot of ass kicking, especially Trump's. I really don't see that Zionist tool Schumer kicking McConnell's butt, or Trump's butt, however if Pelosi is replaced (and there are many calling for just that) watch out; whoever replaces her will come with war paint on.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 6 2018 22:57 utc | 27


Apparently Syrian personnel have completed their training on the S-300. May tie in with a move across the Euphrates.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 6 2018 23:01 utc | 28

Pretty powerful video. I've seen nothing like it before...

Posted by: TruthFinder | Nov 6 2018 23:15 utc | 29

Peter AU 1 @29--

Thanks! I'd noted that too. I imagine those living in former Ottoman controlled lands have a different perspective of 11/11/1918 as their existence was to change radically and not for the better in many cases. Perhaps at 11pm local time on that date the offensive will begin.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 6 2018 23:21 utc | 30

So far, it seems a broken election as usual. The tweet about Colombus Day being a federal holiday while election day isn't was quite apt. Of course, back in the 19th century there wasn't a set nationwide election day for midterm elections as it was up to the states to set their own election days prior to the direct election of US Senators. As such, Congressional turnover occurred throughout the year which could swing the majority from one side to the other. Back then, voter fraud was a problem but election fraud wasn't; now those tables are turned. Georgia seems very ripe for election fraud followed by a voter insurrection given the well publicized dirty dealings of the Republican Secretary of State and candidate for Governor. The upshot is: If Americans are ever to gain control of the federal government, they must gain control of their electoral process first by purging it of ALL potential fraudulent devices while allowing voting to occur over the first full weekend in November.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 6 2018 23:41 utc | 31

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 6, 2018 2:54:21 PM | 6

quite unreachable can you summarize..

Posted by: snake | Nov 6 2018 23:48 utc | 32

b wrote:

The pain in my right shoulder is much better now, and I can somewhat use my arm again.

The issue isn't serious but likely just a reaction to constant overuse under not ideal ergonomic circumstances. I was told to refrain from typing and using the mouse for another day or two or until I feel no more pain at all.

This is way too optimistic. This issue usually is chronic and subside very slowly, often when you lost any hope that it can be eliminated. Typically pain lasts at least one month, and often half a year even with medication and physiotherapy.

Typically this is the first sign of a chronic condition that is very difficult to cure. I think that switching to your left hand for the mouse is a must and should be the first adjustment step.
One treatment that works for me is to put your hands on a thick peace foam bed cover. Cut a part corresponding to the area of the table where you mouse and keyboard are located, then cut the hole in it for keyboard and mousepad. Or just cut two strips which is simpler, but they tend to slide.
After then put your hand on foam why typing and using the mouse. This damping of vibration (or whatever) provided by 4-5 cm thick foam help to eliminate pain pretty effectively.
Also, you might benefit from getting Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 for Business ($37 on Amazon) as well. It is cheap and helps in such conditions. It allows to increase the angle between your elbow and provides reverse tilt for the keyboard.

I also tried a dozen of creams and physical therapy methods. Looks like Aspirin-containing cream (for example, Aspercream) works better.

Among exercises that might work (but did not work for me, at least did not produce significant effects), I would mention self-massage (look at youtube videos) as well as the exercise of rotating a plastic tube (you can buy a special on Amazon, or use those used for swimming) with two hands in opposite directions, and squeezing a tennis ball while walking.

The key here is that they help to provide adequate attention to this serious problem so even when they are useless, they re helpful by keeping you alert to the problem ;-)

Posted by: likbez | Nov 6 2018 23:57 utc | 33

This article in Counterpunch is worth reading. And thinking about.

Something very similar could be said of Russia, as well where, at a time when solidarity in the face of outside aggression ought to be paramount, the economy is still being run by neo-liberals for oligarchs for whom, war or peace, rain or shine, the season for ripping off the poor, crushing the vulnerable and cheating the public never ends.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 7 2018 0:12 utc | 34


Speaking of 'assassination', do you think Apeel's massive reduction in fossil fuel usage for cold chain storage and transportation demand will be carefully figured into IPCC's $400 a ton 'goal' for 2035, eliminating in one stroke the 'need' (sic) for a Carbon Tithe and Credit Scheme?

Yeah, that'll happen. The Carbon Tithe and Credit Scheme will give no credit to technological improvements, only to their tinpot dictators and generals who roust 1,000,000s of 3W indigents off their freelands, then log off tropical rain forests and plant Corporate oil plantations for the 'carbon credits'. e.g. Devastate the 3W for Corporate, but it's 'good' devastation! Everyone makes a little grease, IPCC gets to wear their Pope hats and students get to use green finger paint.

If the Third Temple Carbon Crusade establishes a beach head tonight in WA State, you can forget about any human progress. Carbon Credits is nothing more than an Honduran-style genocide of 3W campesanos for Albertus Bucks. Another Iran-Contra^n.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Nov 7 2018 0:13 utc | 35

snake @34--

Seems the censorship brigade's busy again, although I was able to reopen that page and copy:

""In a Thursday opinion piece published by the Financial Times, Rouhani lashed out at Washington for its foreign policy over the past two years, saying that the US administration’s policies have emerged as a new and complicated problem for the world.

"He took a jab at the US for “complicity in the daily atrocities in Yemen,” for the “humiliation and gradual perishing of the great nation of Palestine,” and for the support it offers to such criminal groups as Daesh, saying such policies have exacerbated the problems in the region.

"“More broadly, US President Donald Trump’s approach to matters of trade, international treaties and the humiliating manner in which he treats even America’s allies, illustrates how US foreign policy has posed new challenges to the global order,” he said.

"“In brief, the US administration’s policies of unilateralism, racial discrimination, Islamophobia, and the undermining of important international treaties, including the Paris Climate Accord, are fundamentally incompatible with multilateralism and other socio-political norms valued by Europe,” the president added.

"Rouhani pointed to the US withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal as the other critical matter aggravating transatlantic relations.

"“Unfortunately, the US, through raising unfounded claims and in complete disregard for its international obligations, has abandoned the nuclear agreement and imposed extraterritorial and unilateral sanctions on Iran and, by extension, other countries,” he said, blasting the US for threatening others who seek to abide by a UN Security Council resolution that endorsed the 2015 nuclear deal.

"Rouhani praised the “valuable” support expressed by the remaining JCPOA parties since Trump’s withdrawal, but at the same time noted that the European parties as well as Russia and China still need to “present and implement their final proposed package of measures to compensate for and mitigate the effects of America’s newest unilateral and extraterritorial sanctions before they are imposed.”

"“The nuclear deal demonstrated that Iran is committed to reason and dialogue,” he said, adding that it can only survive if the Iranian people can witness and enjoy the benefits it promised.

"“In today’s tumultuous world, the only way to overcome difficulties is through concerted international efforts based on mutual interests, and not the short-sighted demands of one or a few states,” the Iranian executive chief noted, adding that “unilateralism is fatal, while multilateralism is the only appropriate, inexpensive and effective course of action.”

"“Europe’s tradition of multilateralism positions it well to play an important role in reinforcing peace and stability in line with its identity and interests. Iran believes in multilateralism and is prepared to join other peace-loving nations in this path,” Rouhani noted.

"He also vowed that cooperation between Iran and Europe will secure the long-term interests of both parties and ensure international peace and stability."

That's all, although I'd imagine more was written. The next Iranian elections are for Parliament in 2020, President in 2021. I don't expect any political change until then.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 7 2018 0:14 utc | 36

Glenn brown@15

According to UAH temperature records there has been no warming since 2003 although the strong El Nino a couple of years ago caused a transient temperature spike which has since subsided

The world was been warming over 14000 years along with some cooling periods in between. This is normal in interglacial periods. We are cooler and sea levels lower than the previous interglacial. The normal for the world is the longer lasting glacial periods which come and go every 100,000 years to be followed by interglacials lasting 10,000-20,000 years. Since the end of the last glaciation, there has been an average sea level rise of 1 cm per year. During this time, sea level has fallen and risen at rates of over 2 cm per year. This rate of sea level change is far higher than the most catastrophic IPCC speculations.

Sea levels have been rising since the last glaciation ended and reached a maximum 6000 years ago. There has been no acceleration of sea level rise amid the period of industrialisation.

Man has contributed to warming. The UHI effect is real but localized and most of the worlds land temperature stations are located in industrialized US and European urban areas distorting the picture. Fortunately we have satellite measurements like UAH although only for the last 40 years

Outgoing long wave radiation has not decreased, which the models predict as being necessary for the planet to be warming at an accelerated rate. They claim the heat is hidden by the oceans but this should be reflected with a lower OLWR. They also predict increased water vapor in the upper-mid troposphere as a feed back to increased CO2. Water vapor in that region has dropped 20% since 1950 despite a 40% increase in C02. As reduced water vapor in the upper troposphere increases OLWR (cooling) that offsets any reduction (warming) from CO2. Since 2003 when temperatures have been flat, water vapor in the upper-mid troposphere has been flat as well despite an increase in CO2 from 370-410 ppm. The fact it has not declined may be due to other variables causing cooling. Nevertheless it has not increased as the models predicted

The AGW theory as demonstrated by the models failing to predict OLWR, Temperature and upper level water vapor is thus proven to be false or at least questionable

Posted by: Pft | Nov 7 2018 0:17 utc | 37

Hey b,

Thank You for your website, analysis, and comments area. I’ve really enjoyed it, and hanging around with (reading) your bunch !

Regarding computer ergonomy, just being able (equipped, organized) to have your mouse arm supported - ie: elbow resting on the work table - makes a HUGE difference.

Best wishes,

Featherless (Biped)

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 7 2018 0:59 utc | 38

A. Person

I beileve that children are our future...

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 7 2018 1:02 utc | 39


Personally, my favourite website for geopolitics articles is StrategicCulture, this site second, and Unz third.

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 7 2018 1:07 utc | 40

I just want to note that the posting thread about the Film Israel does not want folks to see has only 59 comments and nearly every other posting thread by b has hundreds of comments.

That speaks volumes about the films to me.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 7 2018 1:27 utc | 41

So what is the result, and consequences of today’s US midterm elections ?

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 7 2018 1:31 utc | 42

Yeesh, looks like elections were a clusterfuck :

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 7 2018 1:39 utc | 43

b.... if the pain is acute you should have it checked out. needle pricking like sensations not general soreness is a sign of generally further evaluation by the medical institutes. a hot soak in water whether hot or cold should be recommended by doctors if it is sore and lots of rest.

others have said it is impossible to diagnose on the internet without clinical tests being conducted. however a lot of the issues are due to stress, flu, and cold side effect of course unorthodox uses as which you mentioned. making sure your dietary intake is normal and eating habits healthy/schedules are under valued by modern medicine as is the intake of "normal fresh" clean water. take good care. aging is never easy.

Posted by: jason | Nov 7 2018 1:57 utc | 44


The 'sea rise', as you put it, is the tail end of the Ice Age, and if you know anything about natural processes, it's double-tapered log e S-curve, in other words, the 'sea rise' is going flat line and asymptotic to zero.

AFA the IPCC claiming '2.5mm per year sea rise' (sic), that's pure horse puckey. Sea level wasn't measured in inches or even cm until after 1970, when the satellite distance ranging telemetry accurate was ±3.5cm, and only in the last few years has upgraded satellite ranging been in the sub-±1mm's range.

So you are relying on a record that's only 48 years old, 45 of those years of which were no better than ±3.5cm accuracy, in measuring diurnal tidal variations of ±100cm's and superimposed on that, open ocean wave heights of ±1000cm's, with no corrections made for low fog interference or for the ±???cms orbital altitude variation of the satellites themselves, and yet the summmary of your IPCC Astronomical Gastrointestinal Warning statistical redux is a 'sea rise of +0.25cm' ...against a data set ranging ±4000x of that value!

That's purely insane. That would be like going to a 125 dB Die Antwoord concert, and saying that you can heard a pin drop! No, wait, a pin drop is 10dB. So no, that would would only be 12.5x louder. We gotta go way bigger for 4000x. That would be like standing next to a Bikini Atoll 100MT thermonuclear explosion, and saying you heard a cricket chirp in the tree.

And because you never bothered to research or think this through, like the 1000s of other bogus claims from the AGW Carbon Crusade, you and your children and your greatgrandchildren will inherit a Third Temple Carbon Catholic massive repression and tithe-taxation, at a time when the human race needs every drop of fossil fuel energy it can get to build for any hope of a future. What IPCC and the Carbon Tithe and Credit Scheme proposes is GENOCIDE.

¿You wanna know your future under the al-Goreian Scientocrats? There's your New Garden of Eden. Enjoy!

Posted by: Anton Worter | Nov 7 2018 2:04 utc | 45

The pain in my right shoulder is much better now and I can somewhat use my arm again.

I was about to suggest ice before reading the link saying the pain was "sudden". In that case I don't have a clue. Regarding the pain, keep in mind that a combination of OTC pain killers is more effective that using either by itself. Something about affecting different pain receptors. What works for me is a combination of 1/4 ibuprofen and 1/4 acetaminophen. Only in really bad cases do I go with half a tablet of each.

Good luck.

ER study: Opioids no more effective than over-the-counter painkiller combo

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Nov 7 2018 2:28 utc | 46


One of the more unambiguous indicators that our world is heating up dangerously is the rise in sea levels.

Mr. Brown, there are so many "signals"/"indicators" that the Deniers have to be living in la-la land to ignore them all. That they'll have a horrible ending like the rest of us is no comfort at all.

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Nov 7 2018 2:37 utc | 47

@Anton Worter | Nov 6, 2018 9:04:10 PM | 46

"..... So no, that would would only be 12.5x louder. .........."

Tsk,tsk,tsk. Anton, please stay reasonable or, rather, make yourself familiar with basic physics. Best would be you check on sound pressure and how this relates to sound pressure level in decibel. You might be in for a big surprise.

10 db ~ 64 microPascals
125 db ~ 42 Pascals
There's a mathematical operation frequently referred to as division, you might want to try it yourself.

Posted by: Hmpf | Nov 7 2018 3:08 utc | 48

psychohistorian 42

The most interesting aspect of The Lobby was the threatened release of the film were the geo-political splits and alliances it revealed or highlighted. A guest author at SST had a piece on it some time back. The Saudi blockade and Trump calling Qatar a state sponsor of terror resulted from the making and imminent release of the film. Qatar then moved closer to Iran and Turkey which made me realise the anti Israel alliance could override many other differences. In Syria, Iran is on the opposite side to Turkey and Qatar, yet with Trumps moves against the palestinians and declaring Jerusalem the zionist capital, the two Sunni states Turkey and wahabbi Qatar are now closer to shia Iran than than they are to KSA and the Sunni states that are acquiescing to israel.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 7 2018 3:19 utc | 49

What is going with Oman and Israel?

I hope b can shed some light on this. Very important developement.

Posted by: Alpi | Nov 7 2018 3:44 utc | 50

@ Peter AU 1 with the response to my comment about b's "The Film that Israel..." thread.

Thanks for the shifting alliance insight. I am sorry I was not more clear with my observation being that the normal trolls were/are staying far away from that thread.....hence a whole lots less comments.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 7 2018 3:45 utc | 51


I took a look at Christy and Spencer's Global Temperature Report for Oct 2018. It says that since December 1978, the global climate trend has been +0.13C per decade. Unless I'm misinterpreting this, that means the UAH has found some warming.

Posted by: Glenn Brown | Nov 7 2018 3:51 utc | 52

Pft 38 a well written argument but this...
"Since the end of the last glaciation, there has been an average sea level rise of 1 cm per year....Sea levels have been rising since the last glaciation ended and reached a maximum 6000 years ago"

1 cm per year over 6000 years equals 60 meters.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 7 2018 4:18 utc | 53

psychohistorian @ 52

Why would the 'normal trolls' not be reacting to the film about the Israel influence operation in the US?

Posted by: Quentin | Nov 7 2018 4:26 utc | 54

Although I had not noticed it at the time, Psycho's observation is correct. Perhaps you will have to ask the trolls why they abstained, but it would be hard to argue against film when their hero's are caught on film saying what they are supposed to be arguing against.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 7 2018 4:54 utc | 55

Peter AU1.

Sea level has risen by at least 130 metres over the last 14,000 years, an average rate of over a centimetre a year. 6000 years ago it was 2 meters higher than today and the Arctic was 3 deg C warmer. That was the halocene maximum

Posted by: Pft | Nov 7 2018 4:55 utc | 56

Glenn Brown@53

I did not say there has been no warming since 1978. I agree there has been warming since 1978 (it was cold in those days man, brrrr). I did say UAH has found no warming since 2003. In 1978 following a cold period lasting 30 years climate scientists were seriously warning of a looming ice age. These 20-30 year warming/cooling cycles are part of a normal climatic pattern

Posted by: Pft | Nov 7 2018 5:03 utc | 57

PFT, There were three sharp sealevel rises that ended 6-7000 years ago. Trying to create an average to show that shows a steady continuous rise is very misleading.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 7 2018 5:04 utc | 58

I was told to refrain from typing and using the mouse for another day or two or until I feel no more pain at all.
Thanks for all the advise and best wishes.
Posted by: b | Nov 6, 2018 1:26:46 PM | 1

So you did consult an experienced doctor? Why am I not surprised?

(A person as careful about selecting sources upon which to base detailed political analysis and commentary as b is, wouldn't dream of self-diagnosing a debilitating ailment (for more than 5 seconds)).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 7 2018 5:26 utc | 59

I went to see the early results in California about the Los Angeles City Special Municipal Election - Measure B
MUNICIPAL FINANCIAL INSTITUTION. CHARTER AMENDMENT B. Shall the City Charter be amended to allow the City to establish a municipal financial institution or bank?

In early counting the measure is being defeated by a 60-40% level....darn

Any MoA folks from LA that can provide optics on why it failed? please and thanks

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 7 2018 5:48 utc | 60


That dB was my beartrap, but you proved yourself a chicken eating skunk, refusing to complete your comparison ratio, and PROVE that the absurd 1:4000 S:N ratio of AGW 'sea rise' data trollsis, in fact, worse by a factor of 10x, than claiming you can heard a pin drop at a Die Antwoord concert, by your own math! Baawwwk, baawwwk, baawwwk, you just proved AGW is a lie! A theory is only a theory until proven. A consensus of theories is no more 'proof' that 184 henna-bearded public doll scientists is 97% agreement. 'Peer-reviewer's reports has already been PROVEN. a fraud, your pyramid of fraud is no more Science than Mao's Little Red Book is poetry.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Nov 7 2018 5:50 utc | 61

Washington State voters reject carbon-fee initiative

(Seattle, November 7) - State legislators were glum tonight as the Initiative 1631 labeled the 'Save Washington State Government Scheme' has failed. Chairman Albertus Gore of the New Energy Revelations Groupo, has had to cancel a celebration appearance in Olympia, and returned his $30 million Gulf Airstream jet to its hangar. Stock futures sagged broadly overnight on the news, as a host of dark MMFs containing Carbon Credit front groups had to cancel their IPOs. Fox News market guru Macon Bacon explained, "When $6B a year in Green funny money goes 'poof', somebody is gonna take it in the shorts."


Viva la Revolution! Libertad So, Scientocracy No!
The People, united, can never be defeated!!

Posted by: Anton Worter | Nov 7 2018 6:16 utc | 62

To #59

Of course, science buffs remember that what Christy and Spencer are best known for is being repeatedly, stubbornly, consistently, and finally, admittedly, wrong, on the basic interpretation of their own data, which they claimed for a decade showed little or no warming in global climate, reinforcing their claims with a consistent series of errors that (surprise, surprise) always seemed to fall in the direction of cooling – until they realized their stand was consigning them to the realm of flat earth, geocentric and creationist crackpots. They know, however, that they will always be welcome in Rupert Murdoch’s echo chamber.

(I'm not sure how many links are allowed here before "moderation" kicks in, so google "Climate Contrarians Cling to Cracked and Creaky Claims")

Christy has an evangelical background. This causes me to suspect he would welcome the end of the world. After all, wouldn't the collapse of Earth's biosphere force God's hand and guarantee the Return of Jesus? A person with that viewpoint wouldn't really be telling a sleazy lie - it would be for the Greater Good.

So far as the No Recent Warming claims go, that merely involves being VERY careful about how the start/stop points for the interval are chosen. Yes, the temperatures oscillate year to year, but the trend still continues be upwards. But then, the professional Deniers are a lot more interested in their Exxon paychecks than they are actual "science". So choosing a selected brief period to buttress their dishonest claim isn't a problem at all.

Cherrypicking to Deny Continued Ocean and Global Warming

Posted by: Zachary Smith | Nov 7 2018 6:16 utc | 63

I am sure that the military-industrial complex is shaking in its boots at the results from tonight's election

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 7 2018 6:22 utc | 64

Taffyboy | Nov 6, 2018 3:10:33 PM | 8

...and may come the day when the poppy's grow,
row upon row,
without the bodies, there below...

Posted by: V | Nov 7 2018 6:39 utc | 65

V 67
Thanks for highlighting that. It would be a day to look forward to. Perhaps in the multi-polar world.

The poppies are associated with Flanders. I also wonder how many lay under the poppies of Afghanistan.
Poppies have flourished there since the US invasion and occupation.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 7 2018 6:50 utc | 66

After then put your hand on foam why typing and using the mouse. likbez | Nov 6, 2018 6:57:47 PM

I have my share of typos, but I cannot resist occasional fun. The best correction I can see is

After then put your hand on foam. Why typing and using the mouse?

In other words, do not touch the keyboard, do not touch the mouse, keep the hand on the foam and the shoulder will get better. I understand this sentiment, but one should not forget the proper exercises.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 7 2018 7:04 utc | 67

Alawites. An interesting thread.

I generally check on WithinSyriaBlog twitter account each day, but not knowing who was behind it.
If this is correct then Assad, being an Alawite, is the most likely to unite Syria. I guess that is the reason for the 'Assad must go' meme.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 7 2018 7:06 utc | 68


Not a single one of the widely-varying dozens of AGW projections (ergo, there is no 'consensus'), not a single one of those 'hard science' specious futurology theories has been even remotely close to actual temperature or sea rise data, which proves, unequivocally, every one of those theories is FALSE, and false despite constant and unrepentant hindcasting re-tweeking, and $100Ms, if not $10Bs in Public Treasury funds wasted on public dole Scientocracy theoretical massagination ... or are you a Denier like Trump, shouting FAKE NEWS and wearing AGW! emblazoned on your little green hat? Next you'll be saying little green aliens stole the missing heat and are hiding it in the center of the earth, because, magma, lol.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Nov 7 2018 7:06 utc | 69

It would be a day to look forward to. Perhaps in the multi-polar world.

Indeed, wouldn't it though...

Posted by: V | Nov 7 2018 7:10 utc | 70

Personally, I think there is better than a 70% chance that the Trump campaign entered into a conspiracy with Russia [...] Crowdstrike identified Russian hackers on the DNC computer including hacking "...into email accounts used by Clinton’s personal office “after hours” on 27 July 2016...." according to Mueller.

Posted by: craigsummers | Nov 6, 2018 5:09:34 PM | 20

Not only Crowdstrike identified Russians hacking Clinton, but Mueller found this identification worth to mention. And yet craigsummers gives only measly 70% for the chance of Trump-Putin conspiracy? Ye of little faith! Where is this doubt coming from?

Why 70% and not 7% or 77%? What is the probabilistic model here? Or 70% does not have anything with the calculus of probabilities but a marketing tactic: if craigsummers produced a number between 0 and 1 then he calculated something, so he thought deeply about it, so we should trust him.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 7 2018 7:22 utc | 71

Zachary Smith.

I thought you were Lost in Space. Welcome back.

Speaking of cherry picking.

Tide gauge data shows sea-level increasing about 20 cm per century for at least 2 centuries – with no sign of acceleration to the present. The claim that this increase is accelerating is very peculiar.

Since 1979 we have been able to measure sea level itself with satellites. However, the accuracy of such measurements depends on such factors as the precise shape of the earth. While the satellites show slightly greater rates of sea level rise, the inaccuracy of the measurement renders the difference uncertain. What the scientists have done is to accept the tide gauge data until 1979, but assume that the satellite data is correct after that date, and that the difference in rates constitutes ‘acceleration.’ They then assume acceleration will continue leading to large sea level rises by the end of this century.

Manns Hockey Stick is another example. His proxy data should what he wanted up to 1980. That was the stripbark tree ring proxies that NAS recomended against because the tree ring widths were susceptible to other non temperature variables. After 1980 with temperatures increasing, his tree ring proxies showed a decline in temperature. That wouldnt do so he switched to the actual temperature data after1980

Ice core data for CO2 is another example. Ice cores that were determined to be late 19th century ice were showing cO2 levels far higher than desired, close to 350 ppm rather than 280 -300 ppm. So these scientists arbitrarily decided without evidence that these samples were 80 years younger (mid 20th century). Ice core data from deeper samples are under much greater pressure and undergo hydrolysis and other complex processes that lower CO2 levels so are presumed to be accurate. Even they show CO2 lags temperatures. In other words, temperatures drive CO2 levels, or at least they did in the past.

Posted by: Pft | Nov 7 2018 8:04 utc | 72

"Not a single one of the widely-varying dozens of AGW projections (ergo, there is no 'consensus'), not a single one of those 'hard science' specious futurology theories has been even remotely close to actual temperature or sea rise data, which proves, unequivocally, every one of those theories is FALSE, and false despite constant and unrepentant hindcasting re-tweeking, and $100Ms, if not $10Bs in Public Treasury funds wasted on public dole Scientocracy theoretical massagination ... or are you a Denier like Trump, shouting FAKE NEWS and wearing AGW! emblazoned on your little green hat? Next you'll be saying little green aliens stole the missing heat and are hiding it in the center of the earth, because, magma, lol."

this is completely wrong. you keep making these assertions but never bother to try to back them up with evidence. probably because there isn't any. it isn't a worldwide science plot, anymore than the moon landing or evolution or thermodynamics is a worldwide science plot.

and by the way christy is one of the few scientists that get trotted out regularly by the deniers, and he is usually wrong, as his papers get roundly criticised and are eventually ignored. as i said, the creationists had a few tame evolutionary biologists they would trot out regularly, but evolution is still good science.

pfft, the mann hockey stick study has been replicated repeatedly. you seem to be getting your bogus science and talking points from sites like wattsupwiththat, or jonova, or from other people that don't know what they are talking about.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 7 2018 10:05 utc | 73


Not Mann, Macintyre

Lets argue science. Can u do it?

Posted by: Pft | Nov 7 2018 11:47 utc | 74

Sorry, meant not Watts (instead of Mann)

Posted by: Pft | Nov 7 2018 11:53 utc | 75

you don't have to argue science with me pft, you have argue science with the people who have made it a life's study. we could argue gravity all day long, and we would still fall and hurt ourselves or die if we jumped off a tall building. mcintyre is a long time shill, iirc takes fossil fuel money, and at any rate doesn't have qualifications in climate science (petroleum geologist or something like that; even their organization now admits the science is correct. you can believe who you want, exxon or the royal society and every other major scientific organization in the world.
even the fossil fuel companies pay lip service to the science (since they can't effectively dispute it, and their own scientists told them back in the 70's and 80's that fossil fuel emissions cause global warming. of course they still fund the propaganda, just as the tobacco companies did for so long, and so effectively, to delay regulation.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 7 2018 13:59 utc | 76

@PFT and Pretzelattack, other global warming commenters,

There is a huge problem with all of these scientific papers (not just regarding global warming) released over the last 20 years. Almost 70% of these theses results cannot be independently replicated and/or verified.

FYI, after deep water horizon blew up, BP hired and put under contract almost every credible ocean biologist and put them under contract with the mandatory NDA included.

In a capitalist society, everything is for sale; ergo suspect, and scientists, like journalists, will write for their paycheck.


Posted by: b4real | Nov 7 2018 14:52 utc | 77

@79 b4real... last line... that is really true... ""scientists, like journalists, will write for their paycheck."" thanks...

Posted by: james | Nov 7 2018 16:19 utc | 78

Check it out..The long arm of Ayn Rand, and why she still matters... in two parts. Interesting Canadian connection I was unaware of previously... also interesting how her Ideal's as articulated by herself have been so perverted, informative time sink regardless as to your thoughts on Ayn.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 7 2018 16:29 utc | 79

Climate change:

For fucks sake, it doesn't take a scientist to see that we don't live on a very stable planet. Tides, clouds, continents move. Everything is in constant flux, and I am old enough to see ( as is every conscious human being) that our environment is changing. Hotter some days, colder others. But generally speaking when you burn an absolute shit ton of ancient carbon, things tend to get warm. If that eventually ends in us freezing, well, so be it. But either way you cut it, every single drop of fossil shit Will get burned. After being bought and sold and bought again. And whether we like it or not, one day this planet will be consumed by the sun. A coupla million years, they reckon. So use your time and resources wisely. And let us all make our own decisions accordingly.
Scientists can be real assholes, on a par with preachers and imams, but science is just another religion, guilty of all the same crimes against Mother Earth and her children.

Posted by: dan | Nov 7 2018 18:30 utc | 80

Macron's promotion of Petain having a place of honor in the upcoming 100th anniversary of 11/11/1918 has reopened a feud about his proper place in French history.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 7 2018 19:53 utc | 81

and this from bozo jeffreys..

"The U.S. envoy to Syria James Jeffery told reporters on Wednesday that he hopes Russia will continue to allow Israel the freedom to attack Iranian targets in Syria." see al masdar article for more..

Posted by: james | Nov 8 2018 2:14 utc | 82

james | Nov 7, 2018 9:14:24 PM | 84

The reports I've been reading say Israel has not attacked inside Syria since the S-300 delivery.
The only source saying otherwise is from the Israeli press.
I do not believe the Israelis...

Posted by: V | Nov 8 2018 3:57 utc | 83

b, stopped using anti-ergonomic move-around-on-pad mouse in 1990s. pains and hand spasms went away when I switched to trackballs. big ball kensingtons were great but they were expensive and broke down easily -- possibly due to cheetos fines ... could have been mayonnaise. anyway have used low end logiteks for 20 years.

Posted by: rjj | Nov 8 2018 7:45 utc | 84

these. they raised the price - possibly because they don't wear out.

Posted by: rjj | Nov 8 2018 7:54 utc | 85

6 months in jail that had to be kept secret, courtesy of Her Majesty

Posted by: Mina | Nov 8 2018 10:26 utc | 86

Mina, investigating UAE security was rather a foolish subject to do one's PhD research on. Getting slung in prison for that could happen in a great many countries. His supervisor should have refused to let him do it. Most doctoral students are just happy-go-lucky, without thinking of the dangers of what they're doing.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 8 2018 13:25 utc | 87

Bitcoin. Sitting in an electric bus, there were some foreignors taking pix of the ‘new’ technology with stars in their eyes …. :

To exploit, pillage the earth, for energy, agri, metals, etc. it is necessary to dig large holes, build infrastructure, in now often extreme conditions (ocean, deep digs, fracking which requires water, etc.) and to set up, have a Co. and a bunch of investors, use machines run on FF, pay labor, overheads, pol. contribs, other and other, taxes (oops not much), then sell that energy on the ‘market’, implies transport and more — altogether very heavy org. structure...

E.g. gasoline (petrol), which must be, after digging out the raw, in itself very expensive etc. - refined, transported, complicated biz model, very vulnerable to small price shocks / any events / international cooperation / Gvmt. regulation.

Or the energy has to be used to effect some other transformation which can be ‘sold’ with an uptick, such as turning FF into food, via tractors, combine harvesters and other, fertilizers, pesticides, then triage, packaging, transport, incl. refrigeration, to the end point consumer.

D. A. Pfeiffer, a plate of US food, for 10 calories, 9 are from fossil fuels, one from sunlight, rough - links.

Bitcoin by-passes all these complications, by converting electricity (produced majorly from FF, link, and of course at a *huge* energy loss..) directly into ‘money’ aka ‘units’ that can be exchanged for real goods. The intermediary machines are computers which are bought on the free market.

D. A. P. article:


One MSM article on the energy used by Bitcoin.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 8 2018 15:32 utc | 88

@85 V... yes, i believe that is correct and why israels lackey- the usa, is bemoaning the situation...

@89 laguerre.. i think it is admirable the phd research the kid was doing.. his mistake was to go to the uae where these mental and emotional invalids who run the uae could take advantage of the situation and have him incarcerated!! that the uk doesn't stand up for him is more of the same..

Posted by: james | Nov 8 2018 16:22 utc | 89

Macron is further criticized for his attitude toward Russia on the eve of 11/11. The article's in French. Here's an English synopsis.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 8 2018 18:49 utc | 90

According to a CGTN report on China's recent Aerospace exhibition, China is developing a rocket which can put a 100 ton payload into Low Earth Orbit.

Google found this article which says the Long March 9 will be able to slot 140 tons into LEO and lesser loads into Moon-transit and Mars-transit orbits.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 8 2018 18:55 utc | 91

@92 cont'd:

Read a machine translation of the article and it's excellent. Edouard Husson, the author, is

"a specialist in contemporary political history, particularly in Germany and Great Britain. He is a professor at the Institut Franco-German European Studies (University of Cergy-Pontoise). He was a member of the Cabinet of Valérie Pécresse, then vice-Chancellor of the Universities of Paris, then Director General of ESCP Europe and, finally, vice-president of the University Paris Sciences et Lettres. He is a member of the Scientific Council of the Charles de Gaulle Foundation,"

which explains his de Gaullest perspective.

Here, I very much agree that we should take a closer look:

"Let us take a closer look, indeed, at what is passing. Nothing could be more instructive than to read the dossier devoted by the German International Journal Politik, published by the quasi-governmental think tank Deutsche Gesellschaft für auswärtige Politik (German Foreign Policy Society) in its November-December 2018 edition to the “nuclearisation of European defence”. There is Michael Rühle, the German NATO collaborator, who refuses to accept the idea that Germany can sign the new UN Treaty on the Prohibition of nuclear weapons. However, Rühle, like Wolfgang Ischinger, chairman of the Munich Security Conference, does not take up the prospect of a “German nuclear bomb”."

So, the Germans want their own nukes? Guess I'll need to find that journal article and translate it too as it sounds too important to ignore. But again, please do find the time to read Husson's words. I'd be very interested to know what our French barflies think!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 8 2018 19:32 utc | 92

I haven't read the Macron speech, but I wonder whether his main point was not more to strengthen European independence by the call for a European force, to enable Europe to stand separately from "Russia, China, and the US". That's more his line.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 8 2018 20:17 utc | 93

#14 Anton Wortor
"One of the more unambiguous indicators that our world is heating up dangerously is the rise in sea levels.
And Anton, I'd like to request you please cut back on the sarcasm when this subject is discussed.

Posted by: Glenn Brown | Nov 6, 2018 4:06:32 PM | 15"

Glenn, about satellite sea level measurements, did you know that the value is not a measured sea level increase, but contain an additional adjustment (GIA) addressing calculated increase of sea capacity? It is a virtual sea level increase?
The article that you posted adds those values without considering the additional adjustment.

Did you know that the modern sea level is lower then it was during the Roman period?

Reality in Fiji Islands:
" A +70 cm higher sea level was observed, sampled and dated at AD 1530-1673. It was followed by a
significant regression of about 1.7-1.8 m, killing coral reefs and cutting a new rock-cut platform some 20-30 cm above
present mean low tide level (LTL). Then sea level rose again to its present position, or slightly above, a level, which
remained fairly constant over the last 150-200 years. In the last 60 years corals were killed due to a sea level lowering
or a severe bleaching episode. After that very stable sea level conditions must have prevailed for the last decades,
forcing corals at several sites to grow laterally into microatolls"

The human produced CO2 was insignificant before 1950. It grew (a lot) since then, however the sea level shows no acceleration in real life:

Look at the tide gauges = reality, where does one see a doubling of sea level increase in the last decades as says your linked article? "The pace of global sea level rise nearly doubled from 1.7 mm/year throughout most of the twentieth century to 3.1 mm/year since 1993."

Antarctica - mass gain exceeding mass loses - NASA study:

Nothing is heating up dangerously when the sea level is meters lower that in the Roman period. There is no acceleration & no reason for panic.

Posted by: LP | Nov 8 2018 21:28 utc | 94

Laguerre @95--

Macron's been touring France and its battlefields, Verdun being most recent. He's attempting to begin an annual confab, the Paris Peace Forum, that Trump's declined to attend, although he'll be in Paris to meet with Putin at some point. In his critique of Macron, Husson had to cite what he said, so the article reveals the gist of Macron's speech. Knowing Trump, it's easy to see why he declined to attend the Forum as he'd need to acknowledge other national leaders as his peers, thus revealing his nonexceptionalism.

Unfortunately, The French President's website's only in French, and I didn't see the speech transcript there anyway. The French press likely has it, again in French, but I wasn't able to find anything other than recaps that focus on Petain, European Army, and immigrants. Hopefully, one of our French members will read this thread and help us out.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 8 2018 21:47 utc | 95

The one fact denialists can't explain away--increasing ocean acidification. It's already killing aquaculture here in the Pacific Northwest, and there's only one possible cause--increasing concentrations of atmospheric CO2 thanks to carbon pollution.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 8 2018 21:51 utc | 96


Horseshoes. I personally know the story behind this because I was lead in the agency that regulated it. But first let's get rid of your horseshoes. Every marine creature alive today survived CO2 levels 100x huligger than today as well as an ice age. The principal source of acidification is deep ocean vents. That acidification stays far below the hypolimnion thermocline, where few corals or shellfish exist. Monterey Bay Aquarium did research on these claims and found a natural diurnal variation of +/- a full pH, where the Scientocrats are talking 100ths.

In any case, the pH is constantly buffered by phytoplankton incorporating CO2 into their shells, creating a MEGATONS littoral drift of high oH carbonate, and if this were not fact, the oceans would have been rendered sterile in paleological history, when CO2 levels were 100x higher.

Now to The Precipitating Claim. As lead for shellfish facilities programming, my job included meeting with private growers who purchased shellfish spat from the State. Their problems were: silt from development, septage from seaside housing, pesticides and herbicides from private lawns, some kind of parasite several bacterial diseases, and red tide amplified by the above. No mention, EVER, Opt ocean acidification, until so 'scientist's, measuring pH in the estuary, naturally higher because of upstream peat bogs along the NW coast, came up with this acidification meme. So charged the shellfish grower hired the scientist to 'find' the problem, in a way attributable to 'global warming' (sic), so the grower could get bailed out by the State.

Ergo, peat bogs became 'ocean acidification', and all the shellfish growers lumped all their natural problems into Chairman Gire's Carbon Tithe and Credit Scheme.

And that's the rest of the story. Scientocrats gotta Scientocrat. It's what they are paid to do. Looked-for data is not Science. Good day!

Posted by: Anton Worter | Nov 8 2018 22:57 utc | 97

Quit Lying Troll alias Anton Worter!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 8 2018 23:39 utc | 98


That's all you Scientocrats got, is ignorant blind faith in your corpulent tobacco lobbyist Pope Albertus, and shrieking Burn the Heretic!, every time someone who actually is (was) a scientist, who was actually a lead on this science, who then kicks old Albertus in the nates. Troll! Denier! Burn him!

You are no different from the Deplorables and their slavish devolution to every fatwahah from that other corpulent bunk artist, Chairman Donaldus. Which is fine! God gave you the human freedom to choose ignorance and superstition, to follow Scientocracy and Meatless Fridays.

Like my rabbi friend used to joke when I wondered if it was a corporeal sin for my Catholic girlfriend to givemeablowjob on Meatless Fridays, he would laugh and say, Not if she didn't swallow! Your problem is, pal, you swallowed,... hook, line and sinker.

Go ahead, tithe to Green Bejeebus all your heart desires, but just keep your Scientocratic paws out of my wallet.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Nov 9 2018 0:31 utc | 99

The link below is from

President Xi meets Henry Kissinger

If you read the posting it is all about the relationship between the US and China. I didn't know Henry was a current US ambassador. I thought he more represented the interests of Israel.....

The game is on....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2018 2:01 utc | 100

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