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November 14, 2018

Netanyahoo's Likely Fall Destroys Trump's Middle East Strategy

The political upheaval in Israel is a problem for the White House and its Middle East plans.

Today Israel's defense minister Avigor Lieberman resigned and called for new elections. He disagreed with prime minister Netanyahoo over the renewed ceasefire in Gaza.

Netanyahoo had worked towards the earlier ceasefire to split Gaza under Hamas from the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank under Mahmoud Abbas. That split is along the ideological line of the larger split in the Middle East between Qatar and Turkey as the supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood and the absolute rules like the Saudi clown prince Mohammad bin Salman. Qatar is now financing Hamas in Gaza while the Saudis prop up Abbas.

This splitting up of the Palestinians is an intended part of the Jared Kushner 'peace' plan for the Middle East. The Palestinians shall no longer be recognized as a people but must be splintered into small local groups without a common identity who can then be more easily suppressed.

Lieberman seems to disagree with this plan. He wants to wage war against Hamas and defeat it. Any such attempt would of course reunite the Palestinians. But there is a loud constituency in the Zionist population that supports Lieberman's way.

This photo was taken today shortly before Lieberman resigned. Netanyahoo was not happy about the dilemma he is now in.


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He wanted to avoid an early election. His Likud party just lost seats in local elections and he is afraid of a campaign that would play out over Gaza and his 'dovish' stand in the latest conflict.

But with only a two seat majority and an unstable coalition Netanyahoo will have trouble to hold on.

Naftali Bennett, the leader of the rightwing religious Jewish Home party, demands to be made defense minister. Netanyahoo does not want to give Bennet such a high profile job. But Bennett threatens to resign and to bring the Netanyahoo's coalition down if he does not get his will.

Netanyahoo is already the prime minister, foreign minister and health minister of Israel. He will now add the title of defense minister if only for a short time. Elections will likely be held in March.

There are currently some 18 parties and political groups in the Knesset. Netanyahoo's Likud party holds 30 of 120 seats but could easily lose some in a new election. With a smaller base Netanyahoo would have difficulties to build a new coalition and to again become prime minster.

Jared Kushner, the son in law of president Trump, has his 'deal of the century' Middle East plan build on his very personal relation with Netanyahoo and Mohammad bin Salman of Saudi Arabia. If Netanyahoo is no longer prime minister that plan is even more dead than it already seems to be. The Trump administration has no alternative policy and Kushner is not the one to develop and pursue it.

The common patron and biggest donor of Trump and of Netanyahoo is the casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson. Can he buy Netanyahoo a new premiership? If he can't, and Trump's Israel policy is thereby dead, will he still support Trump in his re-election campaign?

The White House will have to think about that and come up with a plan to support Netanyahoo. What could it do?

As for Lieberman. He is a brash and thuggish man with little political foresight. In 2016 he boosted that he would kill Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, should he become defense minister. Six weeks later he became defense minister.


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The website Is Ismail Haniyeh dead yet? has counted the time since Lieberman became defense minister. 2 years, 5 months, 2 weeks and 1 day later the answer is still "No". It is one reason why it is unlikely that he will ever become prime minister.

 


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Lieberman is also a casualty of the "Assad must go" curse.

He joins a number of other prominent politicians who have called for the overthrow of the Syrian president and lost their job while Bashar al-Assad still enjoys his (vid).

 

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Couldn't happen to a nicer country! I used to hold Israel in high esteem, but its actions lately are atrocious.

The USA needs to vacate the NE/ME, Europe and Asia and attend the home front which is in serious disarray.

Posted by: ken | Nov 14, 2018 3:38:33 PM | 1

The American MSM is still in shock/denial: the WaPo buried the news in the footnote of its mainpage; the NYT didn't even put it.

Posted by: vk | Nov 14, 2018 3:58:47 PM | 2

I worry that the next Israeli govt might be even worse/more extreme. People thought that the US could not sink any lower than W, but then look what happened...

Posted by: farm ecologist | Nov 14, 2018 4:12:00 PM | 3

I can't see Lieberman getting many standing ovations in Congress but these days you never know.

Posted by: dh | Nov 14, 2018 4:17:25 PM | 4

An important reason for Trump to protect MBS ("MaBuS") was MaBus' role in Trump's Peace Plan.
With Netanyahoo gone the Trump Peace Plan is also gone and thus Trump has less reason to protect MaBus.

He won't be missed.

Posted by: librul | Nov 14, 2018 4:18:22 PM | 5

Are there enough sane, rational people left in Israel willing to unite to give Israel a sane, rational government and begin the task of undoing the depredations of the Netanyahu years? I hope, but I have my doubts.

Posted by: Hal Duell | Nov 14, 2018 4:24:19 PM | 6

Color me skeptical.

This looks like the time worn Good Cop/Bad Cop routine to me.

Netanyahoo now gets to come to all the negotiating tables saying; Look at what you could be facing from Israel! I am the Good Cop!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14, 2018 4:29:13 PM | 7

Trump, I cannot make him out, just yet. In my humble opinion the 2 greatest mistakes were pulling out of JPCOA (not even UK follows) and the Jerusalem Embassy stunt. It's like scorched earth policy. Delighted about the end of the 'moldavan bouncer'. Jerusalem was their tomb.

Almasdarnews says that ANOTHER minister has resigned. Just one more for elections...I don't know what comes next, but cannot get worse for Palestinians. One state solution will be the end game, me thinks.

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/israels-immigration-minister-resigns-shortly-after-lieberman/

B, you're an Indispensable Blogger and Journalist. Also love Karloff (aka Outlaw Historian in other blogs ;-)

Posted by: PacoRepublicano | Nov 14, 2018 4:32:44 PM | 8

Good riddance. The axis of evil must be destroyed.

Posted by: Zim | Nov 14, 2018 4:49:45 PM | 9

psychohistorian: Netanyahoo now gets to come to all the negotiating tables saying ...

Wouldn't it be Jared going to those tables?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 14, 2018 4:50:16 PM | 10

farm ecologist @3 Yeah, we got Obama.

Posted by: par4 | Nov 14, 2018 4:51:25 PM | 11

par4 @11

"Yeah, we got Obama"

and **almost** ... gulp!... got Hillary Clinton !

Posted by: librul | Nov 14, 2018 4:57:45 PM | 12

Nuttyahoo has been around a long time. It would be nice not to hear from him or look at him again. Don't know how anyone could be worse than Nutty. He's an evil SOB.

Lieberman is also a nasty guy. The two of them gone will be nice.

As long as Israel holds the concept that ALL of it belongs to them and none of it belongs to the Palestinians, then nothing will ever be peaceful and just.

Sort of like the US and Manifest Destiny and its modern counterpart - Full Spectrum Dominance.

Posted by: fast freddy | Nov 14, 2018 4:58:12 PM | 13

third paragraph, "saudi clown prince" :-)

Posted by: wilson | Nov 14, 2018 5:25:00 PM | 14

Astonishing that Binyamin Satanyahu holds three Cabinet positions in his own Cabinet. I am surprised this is allowed in Israel. One might have expected the various ministries represented in Satanyahu's Cabinet should have junior ministers who can step up to replace ministers, even if temporarily, until new ministers can be chosen and appointed.

When Ariel Sharon was Prime Minister of Israel some 20 years ago, he was famous for involving his sons in state affairs to the extent that by the time one of them decided he ought to be a politician, he probably had more than enough experience to be a retired politician.
https://www.haaretz.com/1.4753957

Satanyahu is going one better by trying to do everything himself. He hasn't even brought his wife Sara on board as a de facto Cabinet minister.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 14, 2018 5:27:04 PM | 15

@librul#5
As you stated... 'mabus', it triggered an old mental note of mine from reading Jean-Charles de Fontbrune on Nostradamus... perusing through his books some 40 odd years ago.
A certain 'mabus alus' was then quoted to be a young prince... some antichrist of some kind to come.
Maybe worth a double check.

Posted by: kpax | Nov 14, 2018 5:43:52 PM | 16

74% disapprove of Nuttyahoo's Gaza performance, but 69% disapprove of Lieberman's. The item also provides poll results for political parties if elections were held today. If elections aren't held until March, Nutty has @4 months for events to wash this memory from voter's minds. But with the great fragmentation of Zionistan's political factions, any number of potential coalitions are possible, some touting Nutty as PM again. For now, Nutty will have Defense Ministry cabinet portfolio; perhaps he'll be the one to order the challenge to Syria's S-300s in hopes of saving his political skin.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14, 2018 5:48:26 PM | 17

Bibi is a defacto dictator. Those resigning in protest are even more right wing and blood thirsty than Bibi, making him look almost reasonable by comparison. I see nothing positive here, but feel free to grasp for what to me seem like illusionary straws.

Posted by: Pft | Nov 14, 2018 5:50:27 PM | 18

Highly interesting (this time without irony, @b):

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/world/middleeast/05meshal.html

Posted by: Klaus Weiß | Nov 14, 2018 6:06:37 PM | 19

Pft @18--

Lieberman's been described as the "Jewish Isis"; so, his demise seems positive. The polling I posted says neither Jewish Isis or Nutty's performances were warranted--apparently, Zionistan's polity knows it was the specforces op that broke the cease fire, thus IDF guilty not Hamas.

Zionistan's internal political turmoil's been on the rise awhile, but that fact's been suppressed by BigLie Media until now. Essentially the same policies have been proposed/followed for the past two decades by a similar set of politicos and have mostly ended in failure, with Zionistan more fearful and isolated than ever despite BigLie media spin. There's really only one possible direction to take, but who will have the courage to propose it as the solution?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14, 2018 6:23:20 PM | 20

My oh my the troubled world of Israeli zionist politics.
The only good thing about this fiasco is that this could bring down the rabid Likudniks and their rabid coalition to an end.
The bad thing is that in Israel their exists no Hebraic political class that does not define itself with Zionism. Hence are the alternative political parties ready to accept Arab semitic self determination? I myself doubt this very much. Remember Anglo-American zionist the likes of Adelson is a known Likudnik but is also a realist just like other fellow US oligarchs can purchase influence the other side of politics KOCH brothers anyone, the seven sisters (Big Oil) and Big Pharma.
Zionist of all breeds and races and religions know very well if Arab semitic self determination is allowed this will be the nail in the coffin to the colonial outpost known as Israel.
The Political class in Israel need the US and their are enough satraps in the Five eyes countries that regardless of whom is in political power in Israel it will be still considered an occupying force and will never allow Arab semitic self determination.
Post Scriptum: As the late great Gianbattista Vico noted that sovereign states cannot maintain any sovereignty or security as a state for ever if it tries to rule by hook or by crook or by brute force eventually the state will self destruct. Further more Hebraic zionism per se is a modern era construct just like Bolshevism. Hence unlike Arab semites that have never left the so desired land by the western colonialist are aboriginal in nature, form and construction.
Docius In Fundem: Long live a free and liberated Palestine

Posted by: falcemartello | Nov 14, 2018 6:26:16 PM | 21

thanks b... i didn't know the usa had any plan for the middle east, other then to give it over to israel control and label any group that wasn't subservient to israel as a terrorist organization? isn't that the usa way??

i wouldn't count of things working out for the usa or israels plans at this point.. the environment is changing.. the violence that characterizes both sides here, doesn't work.. however we can trust the usa to only acknowledge one side of it.. reading yesterdays daily press briefing gives one all the usa propaganda they need to know their is neither a plan or change from usa mid east policy the past however many years..

let me quote heather nueart from yesterday. "We condemn in the strongest terms those rocket missile and mortar attacks that are taking place from Gaza into Israel. We call for the sustained halt of those attacks. We stand with Israel as Israel defends itself against these attacks. It is simply unacceptable to target civilians." https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2018/11/287337.htm

that is the one sided pic from the usa, which goes with their designation of who is or isn't a terrorist.. trump is no different then a long line of usa leaders in this regard.. knee jerk nothings..

@7 psychohistorian.. sure, but we are a few inches closer to the edge of the cliff too.. i think we are getting very close..

@17 karlof1... i can't see anything changing in a positive direction here for israel.. the voting public is increasingly fundamental orthodox folks who are not interested in any peace plan or settlement with palestinians... neither is sheldon adelson.. maybe soros could help, lol...

@19 klaus.. the article is from 2009..

venus retro goes direct nov 16th.. that's either a bottom or top in the markets - my guess.. i am sure most are hoping for a bottom!

Posted by: james | Nov 14, 2018 6:35:47 PM | 22

Nut&yahoo is truly a bloodthirsty psychopath.
It is time for a change, my Israeli friends.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Nov 14, 2018 7:10:05 PM | 23

I think this story has been told before.

Exodus 34:9

"...please let the Lord go in the midst of us; although this is a stiff-necked people; pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for your inheritance."

Hasbara is out in full force. B and the MOA community is getting noticed!

Posted by: roza shanina | Nov 14, 2018 7:49:47 PM | 24

it is telling israel bombing a media outlet, but not a peep out of the official media outlets in the west... i guess it wasn't zionist authorized...

Posted by: james | Nov 14, 2018 7:50:16 PM | 25

b: "Lieberman seems to disagree with this plan."

Nah, it isn't that he disagrees with this plan, rather that he regards it as political death to be seen to be associated with it.

b: "He wants to wage war against Hamas and defeat it."

Nah, he wants to be Prime Minister of Israel, and he thinks that if he is associated with any ceasefire plan with Hamas then he will never get that gig.

He no more wants to "wage war against Hamas" than he really wants to go out of his way to "kill Ismail Haniyeh".

It is all sloganeering, and it is a sad reflection of the Israeli voting public that Israeli politicians like Lieberman know - with a certainty - that they can't get to the top without loudly shouting that they'll kill everybody and anything that annoys the Israeli voter.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 14, 2018 7:51:21 PM | 26

The Zionist problem is that Crimea was snatched from its grasp after decades of scheming and lusting. At that point the Israelis had nowhere else to go. They are stuck, and must either emigrate out into the world or learn to live with Semites.

Israel must begin to look inward. All other horizons are closed to it.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 14, 2018 7:55:01 PM | 27

Yeah, Right @29--

Then how do you explain the polling results I posted? Seems neither are favored by the public at this juncture.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14, 2018 7:55:04 PM | 28

@24 Thank you barbara. I fully expect the Messiah to appear shortly at the New York stock exchange. Trump could certainly use some help with the upcoming trade talks with China, OPEC doesn't know whether to cut back or pump and Apple would dearly like to shift a few million iphones.

Posted by: dh | Nov 14, 2018 7:55:20 PM | 29

I'm curious if anyone in the Netanyahu cabinet has leaked who was ultimately responsible for making the decision to send in those Special Forces assassins in the first place?

Must have seemed a good idea at the time. Not looking so clever now though, is it?

You would think they would all rush to point the finger at each other...…

Maybe they are collectively too stupid to understand the consequences of their own decisions?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 14, 2018 7:57:14 PM | 30

Benji Netanyahoo will be remembered by that name.

Posted by: steve | Nov 14, 2018 8:05:08 PM | 31

it the crazed ot news from usa press briefing land today...

" QUESTION: Yes, Hiba Nasr, Sky News Arabia. You said an enduring defeat of ISIS requires fundamental change in the Syrian regime. Can you explain more, please?

AMBASSADOR JEFFREY: Yes. The Syrian regime produced ISIS."

all you need to know, lol... these cheap suits will lie publicly to the right crowd, lol..

Posted by: james | Nov 14, 2018 8:06:48 PM | 32

@36 Yes indeed. And in the meantime we will brush up on OUR spelling.

Posted by: dh | Nov 14, 2018 8:25:34 PM | 33

psychohistorian has a point. Incredibly May has just pulled off the same stunt using the spectre of Corbyn as PM to scare the euros and despite the squeals from tory caricatures such as jacob rees-mogg, likely the rabid leaver gang in her own team as well.
Lieberman is on a rise and for the post at the top, israel has always been evil check out the rapes and murders used to drive out the indigenous population when the zionists started of this mess, but it will never go back to the way it was before 1990.

Herbert Bush and W Clinton saw to that when they forced the refuseniks coming outta the former USSR to pick israel not amerika. One million of the twisted ashkenazi f**kers split to Palestine and old school pretend caring and sharing zionism was gone for ever.

Those cruel fools will back Lieberman and with any luck that will be the end of universal support for zionists. What mbs did to Saudi Lieberman will do in spades to the apartheid state.
He has no filter his support comes from shouting "lynch the n1**ers" at every opportunity (there is a vid around of him accusing the people of Gaza of being cannibals - completely evidence free but was a sound bite to remember) & must imagine the entire world is composed of the same sort of entitled sociopathic pr1cks who temporarily inhabit soon-to-be Palestine.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 14, 2018 8:29:02 PM | 34

Looks like a job for Yahweh. I hope all MOA readers appreciate how lucky they are to be here at this moment in history.

Posted by: dh | Nov 14, 2018 8:41:32 PM | 35

falcemartello @ 21 said;"Zionist of all breeds and races and religions know very well if Arab semitic self determination is allowed this will be the nail in the coffin to the colonial outpost known as Israel."

Indeed, if the rank and file Israelis don't hobble their apartheid govt.,it will happen. And needs to..

Posted by: ben | Nov 14, 2018 9:08:44 PM | 36

@1 ken

I used to hold Israel in high esteem...

Really? When was that? Back when Israelis ran a bulldozer over Rachel Corrie, or years earlier when Sharon corralled a camp of refugees in Lebanon so the good Christian Lebanese allies could exter..minate them? How about further back when a million Palestinians were ethnically cleansed during the Nakba?

It is precisely for people like you that a monster like Lieberman came into being. You literally wished him into being.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 14, 2018 9:09:03 PM | 37

As far as I can see there are two main Israeli party groupings in the next election. One grouping believes in a slow genocide of Palestinians (currently represented by Netanyahoo) and the other grouping believes in an immediate genocide of the Palestinians. I expect the latter grouping to make gains in the next election.

How could a genocide advocate like Naftali Bennett even be in the cabinet if a Palestinian genocide was not the aim? The only disagreement is about how this can be achieved!

I do not expect the forthcoming elections to be good for Palestinians.

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 14, 2018 9:21:32 PM | 38

@36

in reality we are like a cocked cobra ready to strike and wipe out are foes

You're not a cocked cobra 😁 You're ouroborus eating its own tail!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 14, 2018 9:25:48 PM | 39

@ dh who wrote:
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Looks like a job for Yahweh. I hope all MOA readers appreciate how lucky they are to be here at this moment in history.
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I don't care if it is Elohim or Yahweh. One monotheistic god looks just like the others to me. Patriarchy, faith over reason, faith makes you better than others and those not of your faith are heathens worthy of death. Is it any surprise that usury as part of private finance comes out of such beliefs?

As to the luck of existing at this time, yes, there is a certain rush of anticipation. But will the denouement be our extinction or evolution towards reason over faith? I hope humanity gets to a time when monotheistic myth does not control our species like now.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14, 2018 9:31:40 PM | 40

@39

Leave Yahweh out of it. Did Yahweh have anything to do with Jonestown? Ziotown/Jonestown both under man-made cult delusion.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 14, 2018 9:36:04 PM | 41

@Kadath | Nov 12, 2018 9:55:43 PM | 34 in thread False Reports ... Suggest A Great Deception

NEVER read The New York Times and the Washington Post for news or the truth, only read them to know the Party line.

Better yet, don't read the New York Times and the Washington Post at all. Just boycott the lying liars.

Fully 41% of CNN's audience avoided the channel over the past year. If this rate of decline continues, the liars will be starving to death soon. Let it happen, I say.

May the same thing happen to the NYT and the WP.

Posted by: Cyril | Nov 14, 2018 9:38:08 PM | 42

@44, 45. I wasn't expecting a response to my Yahweh comment but thanks anyway. Can't you guys take a bit of ribbing?

Posted by: dh | Nov 14, 2018 9:40:45 PM | 43

Israel must begin to look inward. All other horizons are closed to it.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 14, 2018 7:55:01 PM | 30


When you keep building walls...

Posted by: mena | Nov 14, 2018 9:46:09 PM | 44

See I told you it's a cult! @24 proved me right! @22 So you are all cogs? Ahhhaahaa! This is stitches, pee-funny material! Bring on the hasbara!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 14, 2018 9:52:39 PM | 45

One wonders how incompetent the A-300 russian anti-incoming air defense is? That is just the old boy defense. One wonders if god forbid, Hamas get schooled in the craft. World war 3? you'd bet Bolton and Israel would say so. Even if the system is one of defense repelling oppression, but no that would be an act of aggression by " international community. another word of the permanent state of UK and US.

Posted by: Mike G | Nov 14, 2018 10:10:53 PM | 46

roza shanina | Nov 14, 2018 7:49:47 PM | 27

Yes the story has been told before. What is interesting in this thread is that we are seeing a number of commentators that come from real old school Jewish Orthodox backgrounds. A decade back we would be hearing from liberal Zionist giving us the "only democracy in the ME", "made the desert bloom", "most educated people on the planet" and many other myths that Uris propagated in his Exodus.

Today those liberal Zionists have gone into retreat. Instead we are hearing this good old fashioned Old Testament thumping. I think this is a good sign. It is so much easier to dismiss them. That is the good news. The bad news is that these fanatics have a majority in today's Israel. In short, they have a finger on the Israeli Nuclear Bomb. At some point the rest of the world may be forced to try to neutralize that nuclear threat. This could be one very dangerous moment.

Posted by: ToivoS | Nov 14, 2018 10:22:06 PM | 47


@Circe 41 @1ken


I used to hold Israel in high esteem...

Really? When was that? Back when Israelis ran a bulldozer over Rachel Corrie, or years earlier when Sharon corralled a camp of refugees in Lebanon so the good Christian Lebanese allies could exter..minate them? How about further back when a million Palestinians were ethnically cleansed during the Nakba?

@Circe
Indeed. Illan Pappe's scholarly work 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine' proves that esteem and Israel are mutually exclusive concepts. At no time before, during or after its formation has this colonial project ever earned the faintest degree of approbation. Blind admiration is a reliable asset for the management of corps of enablers of oppression.

https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542248829&sr=8-1&keywords=the+ethnic+cleansing+of+palestine

Posted by: metni | Nov 14, 2018 10:34:05 PM | 48

@34 steve

And I will always remember Bibi by his original name: Benzion Mileikowsky

Posted by: xLemming | Nov 14, 2018 10:34:09 PM | 49

@50 "What is interesting in this thread is that we are seeing a number of commentators that come from real old school Jewish Orthodox backgrounds."

Care to name them? All I see is a few people taking the piss.

Posted by: dh | Nov 14, 2018 10:38:33 PM | 50

Netanyahu has managed to retain his position as PM since 2009 for a number of reasons but one reason people tend to ignore is the utter cowardice of his rival politicians who one would think would want to replace him. the supposed "Peace" MP in the Knesset were unwilling to stand up to him for fear of being seen as too soft on the Palestinian and as a result they withered on the vine as a totally useless and feckless group. I'm not aware of even a single MP who still publicly supports a return to the 1967 border with minor territory swaps.

The warhawks on the other hand have constantly threatened to collapse the government over the past 5 years but when push came to shove they always supported Netanyahu to save the coalition government, pretty clearly because they realised that if they collapsed the government they would be the logical group to take over (since the "pro-peace" groups no longer exist). this would result in the hardliners having to soften their stances slightly on at least some issues to make a coalition, so instead they stayed in the coalition to slowly put more and more of their policies into practice by blackmailing Netanyahu. Given what Netanyahu has done to Gaza over the past 5 years alone it's horrifying to think of him as anything remotely close to a moderate but through their strategy the hardliners have succeeded to getting their policy positions accepted as the new normal for Israeli and they now feel confident enough to throw Netanyahu overboard and make an open own power play.

When people talk about voting for the lesser of two evils, this is the danger that can come about, move the political debate more and more to the extreme to the point that a man like Netanyahu (who was called an extremist in the 90's by Israeli's own newsmedia) is now being talked about as a "Moderate".

I'm sure Gaza will be harshly abused by whatever government Israeli ends up with and that hundreds (perhaps) thousands will be killed by the new government. But I'm more interested in how Iran, Syria and Hezbollah will respond if the hardliners take over the government and follow through with their threats to launch a huge massacre of the Palestinians in Gaza.

Posted by: Kadath | Nov 14, 2018 10:44:16 PM | 51

Creeping losses logic: 202 and 2006 at the hands of Hezbollah in Lebanon. 2018 in Gaza at the hands of Hamas. Israel would loose big time if it invades Gaza - much has changed I fire power - so it has to beg for a cease fire. Mileikowsky & family better open a furniture shop (USA or Poland).

Posted by: Hem Lock | Nov 15, 2018 12:04:52 AM | 52

ADKC's assessment is worth repeating: "As far as I can see there are two main Israeli party groupings in the next election. One grouping believes in a slow genocide of Palestinians (currently represented by Netanyahoo) and the other grouping believes in an immediate genocide of the Palestinians. I expect the latter grouping to make gains in the next election." At what point does one realize that both alternatives speed the arrival of the one state solution, in which Jews will be a minority in Palestine? The smart Israeli millennials have now given up and moved to Berlin. When will Israel be gutted by the evacuation of its middle class to Brooklyn, Palm Beach, or better yet, the Yevreyskaya Autonomous Oblast? Better to make reservations now before the rush starts. "Hit them in the pocket, Netanyahu advised Trump. If you hit them in the pocket, they’ll suffocate, and when they suffocate they’ll kick the ayatollahs out." Time to apply this strategy to Israel. Support BDS.

Posted by: JNDillard | Nov 15, 2018 12:05:11 AM | 53

Netanyahu and Lieberman -- not to mention Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, are working against UK-Rothschild controlled Naftali Bennett, the only candidate who might seriously threaten Bibi's long reign as Israeli PM.

To make a very long story short, the UK-Rothschild Oligarchs (City of London) sit upon worthless derivatives worth perhaps hundreds of trillions of dollars. They need a world war to clear their balance sheets of illegally aquired bad debt and so are looking to repeat the scenario of the 2007/8 Financial Crisis, only on a much larger scale which includes igniting a war between the US and Russia.

Netanyahu, for all his wackiness, prefers to go down in history as the man who settled Israel's future. Bennett, on the other hand, will do what he is told to do by the Rothschild British Israelites.

As for China, in order to secure Chinese cooperation and their own future the UK-Rothschild Oligarchs offered Xi Xinping the only two things they could when the Chinese leader came to London in 2015:

1. Expertise in establishing a new global fiat to replace the USD; and

2. Expertise in cultural and thought control.

China is itself divided between the UK-Rothschild affiliated Triads from Hong Kong (historic partners in opium business inside China since the mid 19th century) and a more Nationalist group based out of Shanghai. All of Trump's actions targetting China are the result of the White Houses' wish to pull China out of allignment with the UK-Rothschild elite -- and into a grand bargain (Yalta-style) with Russia and the United States.

In fact, plug in everything you know or have heard about over the last several years into this basic outline and you will see everything fits quite nicely indeed. The Anglo-American space is divided between two major factions and the rest of the world is lining up with one or the other group.

I can not believe you are so ignorant of the dispositions of the most important players, b.

Posted by: M I 6? | Nov 15, 2018 1:05:04 AM | 54

Circe @ 48: Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought the Tel Aviv Trolling @ 22, 24 and 26 was hilarious.

These people must be proud comparing themselves to tiny components in a giant machine grinding away to an antiquated program, the code of which must never be changed for fear the whole creaking machinery will come crashing down.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 15, 2018 1:08:47 AM | 55

@31 …"at this juncture."...

Well, heck, there's your answer right there.

The only poll that matters is the one that takes place inside a voting booth.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 15, 2018 1:26:46 AM | 56

M I 6? @57

Thanks for that. It accords with my understanding of how things are shaping up.

Lieberman and Bennet as leaders of rival Right factions are the heirs apparent to Netanyahu.

Lieberman favours closer relations to Russia and Bennet to the US.

But, in attempting to out-fascist eachother, to take the crown, they'll ultimately take Israel down.

It looks very much like someone's operating a subversive strategy to that end.

Looks like a somewhat similar game was played against MBS.

Posted by: Noggin the Nog | Nov 15, 2018 1:37:29 AM | 57

@ ken | 1

I used to hold Israel in high esteem, but its actions lately are atrocious.

Lately? Lately?!

Israel is an apartheid regime which commits genocide for the last 80 years.

While I do appreciate crumbling Netanyahoo government, but I'm also apprehensive what comes after him may be even worse. At least we know where we stand with Netanyahoo, and ultimately he is a loud mouth coward, hence no more wars with Hezb, no war against Iran, and now Israel is shut out from Syria as well. Maybe after last showdown there will be less wars against Gaza either. Improvements all around.

IMHO humanity will have to suffer current Israel for as long as US has its back, but after emergence of a real multi-polar World, Israel will have to learn to behave and Palestinians finally have their freedom. We are not there yet.

Posted by: Harry | Nov 15, 2018 1:51:22 AM | 58

"I used to hold Israel in high esteem, but its actions lately are atrocious."

That's the idea. To diminish external support for Israel, particularly amongst younger Americans.

The Basics of Subversion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-_5QW-BI4

Posted by: Noggin the Nog | Nov 15, 2018 2:00:53 AM | 59

"Netanyahoo's Likely Fall Destroys Trump's Middle East Strategy"

I've read this summary twice. It outlines everyone's ME strategy except Trump's. As far as I'm aware Trump's only ME policy is to Make AmeriKKKa Great Again by getting the pro-Israel Lobby out of US politics, and relocating the US Capital from Tel Aviv to Washington, DC.
So it's jolly decent of the "Israelis" to expend so much energy making each other look crankier and more disorganised than Trump could ever have done, unaided.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 15, 2018 2:53:37 AM | 60

@54

Given what Netanyahu has done to Gaza over the past 5 years alone it's horrifying to think of him as anything remotely close to a moderate but through their strategy the hardliners have succeeded to getting their policy positions accepted as the new normal for Israeli and they now feel confident enough to throw Netanyahu overboard and make an open own power play.

You made a very good point that makes me want to expand on it by asking this question: What creates evil?

Answer: @1 Ken. Now I know some people will think I'm being too hard, but he represents 70% of America. He used to hold Israel in high esteem! What creates evil is IGNORANCE AND APATHY. What creates evil is the belief that the end justifies the means. Ignorance is the breeding ground for evil. An ignorant mind is easily poisoned with one-sided propaganda and Zionists have been poisoning the ignorant American mass for decades with their one-sided propaganda that dehumanized the Palestinians and turned them into barbarians in the eyes of the world. Zionists repeatedly cried They want to push us into the sea. They're the Nazis reincarnated! But who cleansed a million Palestinians from their land in 1948 and then close to another million in 1967 and redrew the map, confiscated their property or burnt down their villages so they'd have nothing to return to if the world decided to grant them their right of return after the '67 war?

Who is more evil?

Who is more evil the liberal Zionist or the radical right-wing Zionist? One only has to look at where Israel is today to understand which of the two is most responsible for the present outcome which is getting worse.

Lemme give you an equivalency on the American side. Americans especially the left but even the gentrified establisment on the right are horrified at Trump's destruction of American values and democracy. However, which side started most of the wars???

Trump is like Netanyahu in that both were created by the hypocrisy of the left, the treachery exhibited by Democrats and Zionist Liberals in justifying war and oppression with boogeyman scapegoats like Hamas, Saddam, Gaddafi and Bashar to define war as a compassionate gesture, a means to an end, and as Obama best treacherously put it in his Nobel speech it's war for the sake of peace, war IS peace! Oh yeah, the end that will justify the means!

Who is more evil, the monsters, or those who created them with their betrayal of the truth and humanity?

You reap what you sow. The chickens are coming home to roost. G-d damn America! Reverend Wright, the man Obama rushed to deny and throw under the bus for political gain had more integrity in one syllable than Obama in a hundred grandiose speeches.

Yes, G-d damn America you deserve an ass like Trump to rub your nose in your pile of shet. You deserve to suffer the fascist megalomaniac you ushered in with your betrayal.

Likewise Liberal Zionists represent the inherent evil in Zionism showing up as the good cop that explains away cruelty, that puts lipstick on the pig, that pretends humanity for Palestinians and outrage at their sadistic right-wing comrades but never disavow, never repudiate the vile supremacist entitlement they share that is Zionism. They are the mendacious peddlers of hope in the hell they more than anyone created by pretending to redeem it while generations of Palestinians were born captive in oppression and statelessness.

Liberal Zionists deserve to rot in the hell they prolonged for their Palestinian hostages and victims. Yes, the chickens are coming home to roost with Lieberman and Naftali. They are the new normal in Israel and Liberal Zionists paved their way by trying to make evil appear normal and necessary and wasting time doing it while Palestinians suffered for over a generation.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 15, 2018 3:06:39 AM | 61

@60

No one played a trick on them. They are all 3, I include MbS responsible for the monstrous psychotic aberration they personify.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 15, 2018 3:12:24 AM | 62

@57

You and Hoarsewhisperer should get a room as the last of the kool-aid drinkers still luving on Trump.

Trump, Netanyahu, Putin and Lieberman are going to save the world from the now Rothschild-owned Chinese?

MAKE it a...PADDED ROOM.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 15, 2018 3:24:02 AM | 63

@63

And Trump'ss going to anoint Jared, King David II! Trump is the Zionist kingmaker! He probably helped Adelson orchestrate Netanyahu's downfall; to be replaced by a hawk who can pull the trigger.

He didn't just fellate the Zionist donkey, he's up it's ass. He just gave Adelson's wife the Medal of Freedom. What wouldn't he do for his financier's cause? Don't say sell his soul; it's done.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 15, 2018 3:39:08 AM | 64

@65

"No one played a trick on them. They are all 3, I include MbS responsible for the monstrous psychotic aberration they personify."

That doesn't get us any further in terms of analysing what's going on.

It's probably more useful to focus on the necessity in current Israeli politics that both Lieberman and Bennett outdo eachother in the fascist stakes to have any chance of succeeding Netanyahu.

A necessity for succession, remember, not a choice.

And why Israel has found itself in this unhappy position.

This then opens up to geopolitical analysis.

Posted by: Noggin the Nog | Nov 15, 2018 3:41:46 AM | 65

Kadath @ 55

""But I'm more interested in how Iran, Syria and Hezbollah will respond if the hardliners take over the government and follow through with their threats to launch a huge massacre of the Palestinians in Gaza.""

Yes. And I would include Russia. I think we have reached a tipping point of tolerance to US and Israeli atrocities.

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 15, 2018 5:16:37 AM | 66

This is probably the best hope for some stability and reasonableness in the middle east.

Magnier

""Moscow, with its successful intervention in Syria, and its involvement in Iraq and Lebanon, is becoming Washington’s biggest nightmare. Even more worrisome for the US is an emerging Iranian-Russian-Chinese alliance that signals the end of US global hegemony.""

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 15, 2018 5:37:51 AM | 67

@41: In fact, Sharon and Eitan decided to send the Phalangists in on September 14 and ordered them to go in the following day. What went unnoticed was that a Group of ex-IDF officers slaughtered thousands in al-Zahar (or so) refugee camp in 1975.

Posted by: Klaus Weiß | Nov 15, 2018 7:08:42 AM | 68

death to israel

Posted by: mtw | Nov 15, 2018 7:18:35 AM | 69

@71 financial matters | Nov 15, 2018 5:37:51 AM

"Even more worrisome for the US is an emerging Iranian-Russian-Chinese alliance that signals the end of US global hegemony."

The introduction of the S300-400 to the world arms bazaar should be recognized as the game changer it is. No one has flown against it 'live' yet, but it has scored a remarkable number of successful interceptions. (I believe it was S200 or pantsir that shot down Ilyun20?)

It is such a significant and strategic move by Russia to make the only weapon that can actually deny airspace and intercept cruise missiles available to the subjects of the empire. India, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, China, Qatar...I daresay we will see EU show interest in the near future.

The ability to deny airspace and intercept incoming is a game changer and highly detrimental to the American style of 'fighting'.

If the S300 shoots down one of those new-fangled F35's or F-22's, interests in purchasing the S400 or variant is going to increase.

For the moment, Russia holds significant military advantages over NATO. Until U.S. can field something which can accurately target at Mach5+, it is not even in the game.

Except for nukes.

b4real

Posted by: b4real | Nov 15, 2018 7:58:03 AM | 70

The sacrifice of five Saudis for the MbS & Kushner pleasure: "Five Saudis Face Death Penalty Over Khashoggi Killing; Crown Prince Cleared"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-15/5-saudis-face-death-penalty-over-khashoggi-killing

Jared Kushner's prominent role in the Saudis affairs: "Saudi crown prince bragged that Jared Kushner gave him CIA intelligence about other Saudis saying 'here are your enemies' days before 'corruption crackdown' which led to torture and death" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5575395/Saudi-crown-prince-brags-Jared-Kushner-handed-U-S-intelligence.html

Should the world expect sanctions against Saudis, a la Skripal affair?

Whereas the "poisoning" of Skripals produced no cold bodies -- and no evidence against the alleged involvement of Russian government -- the Khashoggi is dead and the US government and Saudi monarchy are deeply implicated in the murder of the journalist (the US resident and Saudi citizen) in Turkey, a NATO member. Where are Theresa May and Gavin Williamson to express their outrage over the killing of the journalist in the NATO county?

Posted by: Anya | Nov 15, 2018 8:31:19 AM | 71

Way too much over the top histrionics for me this morning. Especially comments like fellating an ass or whatever idiotic wording was used.

Posted by: morongobill | Nov 15, 2018 9:13:33 AM | 72

Either Netanyahu or Liberman have misconstrued the directive sent from above. The result will be that one or the other or the entire Likud party will be replaced and Continuity of Agenda will proceed as before. The fate of the Palestinians in Israel, moved to reservations, can be likened to that of the indigenous native populations in the Americas as Europeans arrived and expanded. The only difference are those who have fled to neighbouring nations of like mindedness.

Posted by: BRF | Nov 15, 2018 9:54:08 AM | 73

@76: from Saturday Night Live's censored classic take on Chuck Hagel's confirmation hearing, video at https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=2ce_1360619328, also transcript. Do not sip coffee while watching.

Posted by: Imagine | Nov 15, 2018 10:25:40 AM | 74

This is political show as e.u. little horns in Ukraine and others consolidate into the future e. U. Is much like Benjamin and lieberman shitzco. It will produce a bigger negative.

Posted by: jason | Nov 15, 2018 10:53:59 AM | 75

This is political show as e.u. little horns in Ukraine and others consolidate into the future e. U. Is much like Benjamin and lieberman shitzco. It will produce a bigger negative.

Posted by: jason | Nov 15, 2018 10:53:59 AM | 76

@54 dh "Care to name them?" (ref 51 ToivoS, "old school Jewish Orthodox" commenters)

I see 4 Comments (@ 22, 24, 26, & 36) by 3 Posters (danny, barbara, and lileth) with very similar perspective and writing quirks which I don't recall ever seeing here at MoA.

Common perspective: great reverence for Bibi, blind faith in righteousness & success of Israeli dominion.

Common writing quirks (English is obviously not native language): no caps at beginning of sentences. Run-on sentences (or missing punctuation?). Flowery phrases which sound like Old Testament/Toranic imagery ("cocked cobra", "great tribulation to remove these mountains"). Conflation of homophones ("are"/"our").

I concur with ToivoS' conclusion/conjecture that these posters are Orthodox Israelis, or perhaps of a sect further out on the right-wing fringe. We here are accustomed to Liberal/Conservative Jews posting in more natural English, mostly expressing a softer view of Israel as defending itself. These new posters seem to have a more messianic vision of Israel conquering it's foes.

I find it interesting that all three popped up on this thread. Are they voices that other regulars recognize (that I've skipped over or ignored)?

Of course, they could all be Bots or Sock-Puppets, created to reinforce our (mostly shared) picture of Israelis as wacky wing-nuts. But it's more likely that they are evidence that Israeli propaganda agencies have been taken over by wing-nuts who believe their own bs.

Of course, these new posters could all be

Posted by: elkern | Nov 15, 2018 11:12:27 AM | 77

@79 It's all the same poster most likely. Reminds me of our old chum charlie drake now using Hebrew names instead of dead English comedians.

Real hasbara types are usually more subtle.

Posted by: dh | Nov 15, 2018 11:19:33 AM | 78

Real hasbara types are usually more subtle.
You mean they used to be more subtle. It's been quite some while since the last highly educated right-wing western hasbarist, wot we used to have (though never as many as on other blogs).

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 15, 2018 11:26:31 AM | 79

@81 True. They don't seem to have quite the same touch. Losing their air of authority maybe?

Nowadays they tend to play the anti-semitism card straight off the bat.

Posted by: dh | Nov 15, 2018 11:33:27 AM | 80

So in regards to U.S. foreign policy in the ME we have this equation happening.: A psycho who is starving millions in Yemen and ordered a hit on a journalist bone saw and acid included and is planning to execute the witnesses and collaborators who carried out his hit. Plus, we have an unashamed supremacist Zionist who's already exposed his solution for getting rid of the Palestinians which amounts to a staggering war crime. These are the U.S. allies in the ME and the result is that the U.S. loses all credibility and moral authority it had left. This is like aligning with Pinochet and Hitler together but not just secretly through the CIA, out on the world stage in the open and Trump is paving the way to make it acceptable. And what will the U.N. do about it? Absolutely nothing, because the U.N. needs incalculable funds to help the millions of casualties from invasions and proxy wars Zionism has generated, or rather, the necessary means to protect Zionism. Trump is setting the new normal that morality, decency and the rule of law can't touch. Evil received a makeover in the form of a new normal. How else can Zionism survive?

Posted by: Circe | Nov 15, 2018 11:38:25 AM | 81

@80 dh.. yeah, and then you have posters replying to them or getting annoyed with b for allowing them to post.. as you say - probably all the same poster and they keep on changing the name.. and then you have posters replying to them, or missing out on your humour...

Posted by: james | Nov 15, 2018 11:50:12 AM | 82

@84 It's one of the hazards of posting on blogs I'm afraid james. I've lost track of how many of my little quips have been taken seriously.

Posted by: dh | Nov 15, 2018 12:03:09 PM | 83

roza shanina | Nov 14, 2018 7:49:47 PM | 27

"Yes the story has been told before. What is interesting in this thread is that we are seeing a number of commentators that come from real old school Jewish Orthodox backgrounds. A decade back we would be hearing from liberal Zionist giving us the "only democracy in the ME", "made the desert bloom", "most educated people on the planet" and many other myths that Uris propagated in his Exodus.

Today those liberal Zionists have gone into retreat. Instead we are hearing this good old fashioned Old Testament thumping. I think this is a good sign. It is so much easier to dismiss them. That is the good news. The bad news is that these fanatics have a majority in today's Israel."

Are the highly religious the majority of israeli jews? I think that they are a minority. And many of them refuse to serve in their army?

Posted by: Hmm | Nov 15, 2018 12:19:14 PM | 84

Ahh. So it's Bennett's fault.

According to this, Bennett has been out-fascisting Liberman for the past eight months now, and so Liberman is getting worried his extreme fascist position is looking almost peacenik by comparison.

Upped his game a bit.

Anyway, always better that they fight amongst themselves than slaughter innocent Palestinians.

"Coalition chair MK Dudi Amsalem (Likud) said that Bennett is responsible for of the current crisis and should not be given the defense portfolio, on Channel Two on Thursday morning.

"If the prime minister asked me, I would tell him that in my opinion, Bennett is the one who caused this crisis," Amsalem said.

"Bennett has been picking on the defense minister for eight months already. I don't know of anything else like this. I don't think it's right; you don't act like this in a government. If you have a comment - a problem - there's cabinet meetings for that. You don't go to the media every two weeks. I don't accept this Before you are a politician, be a human being.""

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Security-Cabinet-member-Libermans-decision-irresponsible-and-illogical-571953

Posted by: Noggin the Nog | Nov 15, 2018 12:25:10 PM | 85

Posted by: Hmm | Nov 15, 2018 12:19:14 PM | 87

Are the highly religious the majority of israeli jews?
Perhaps not yet, but it's coming, as the secular Jews bleed away, looking for a more secure, unthreatened, life in the West. The threat comes from the nutter politicians, such as Liebermann and Bennett, more than from the Palestinians or other Arabs.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 15, 2018 12:37:40 PM | 86

@88 Hmmm

There is a segment within Judaism known as True Torah Jews (nkusa.org) who regard the state of Israel as an abomination. And their adherents who reside in Israel suffer much abuse, almost as much as Palestinians

IMHO Zionism has more in common with Lucifarianism than Judiasm - it simply uses the latter as a cover for the former.

Posted by: xLemming | Nov 15, 2018 1:48:33 PM | 87

Wow! Qatar proposes new alliance: "Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Qatar Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al-Thani offered formation of a five-party coalition, comprising Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Turkey and Syria, Iraqi media said."

This news is a week old, but this is the first I've heard of it. Talk about unforeseen policy consequences! A direct counter to the Outlaw US Empire's proposal of an Arab NATO. Perhaps this explains the UAE's recent actions.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15, 2018 1:49:08 PM | 88

@87 hmmm.. i agree with laguerre... the orthodox are in the ascendancy.. it is only a matter of time, before the largest voting block in israel will be the most fanatical and closed minded..

@91 karlof1.. i wish them well on that!

Posted by: james | Nov 15, 2018 2:00:16 PM | 89

The Orthodox originally opposed Zionism, which itself was aggressively secular and anti-religious. They all came together in celebrating the 1967 victory. So Zionist/Orthodox alignment was born just where you'd expect, in war. And it's been nothing but war ever since. War is the one principle holding the Zionist state together. Now the vanguard sees no way forward but to radically escalate the violence. We're heading for an end, one way or the other.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 15, 2018 2:13:00 PM | 90

Russ

The Ultra-Orthodox still do. And have an exemption from serving in the Israel armed forces (though I believe they still must serve, just not in the armed forces).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 15, 2018 2:32:25 PM | 91

zbig may be dead but his (and kissinger's to a smaller degree) fixation on balkanization lives on in the new generation of arrogant imperialists. too bad (for him) that said generation includes the Patrick Bateman 2.0 known as jared kushner under the tutelage of waning, senile fossils like bolton and adelson.

whitney webb has some thoughts on all this.

and i have to agree with much of it. just as avigdor was a cartoon lunatic in the vein of george w bush, any relatively sane and "normal" successor will seem like an obama by comparison. or maybe "let's impeach trump so we can be blessed with president pence" is a better analogy.

Posted by: the pair | Nov 15, 2018 2:35:07 PM | 92

Bloomberg:

Trump's Middle East Plan Dealt Another Blow With Israel Turmoil

Israeli officials already had been urging the Trump administration not to release its proposal too close to the elections, afraid that a plan demanding concessions from Israel would hurt Netanyahu’s chances when hard-liners already accuse him of being too soft on Hamas, the militant Palestinian group that rules the Gaza Strip.
...
.. part of the problem for Netanyahu is that Trump’s policies have been perceived to be so pro-Israel that any plan viewed as conciliatory toward the Palestinians could disappoint the prime minister’s political base. Israelis have grown accustomed to Trump backing them at every turn.

To avoid damaging relations with the Trump administration, Netanyahu would need to give a “qualified yes” to any plan that’s announced, saying he’s open to negotiations with some reservations, according to Sachs of Brookings.

Posted by: b | Nov 15, 2018 2:52:03 PM | 93

I wonder if it was Liberman that organized the takedown of the russian aircraft to hurt Netanyahu.
Some time back, Putin talked Netanyahu into telling Trump to stand down so the southwest offensive in Syria could go ahead.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 15, 2018 3:23:31 PM | 94

b

From the Bloomberg article: "saying he’s open to negotiations with some reservations".

Negotiations? I thought they were going to present a "take it or leave it" offer to the Palestinians: accept a payoff to leave or live in misery. That seemed to be the groundwork that was laid. They essentially have made the case that Palestinian leadership has obstructed peace and that over time the basis for peace (the 2-State solution) has been lost. Thus, US-Israel will impose a solution. Moving the Embassy and declaring Israel to be a Jewish State were the first steps. Jared's plan is next.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 15, 2018 3:27:34 PM | 95

@debsisdead 38

Trying to get a handle on this -

"psychohistorian has a point. Incredibly May has just pulled off the same stunt using the spectre of Corbyn as PM to scare the euros and despite the squeals from tory caricatures such as jacob rees-mogg, likely the rabid leaver gang in her own team as well."

I think that's truth but not quite as we know it, Jim. I don't know if the politicians in the UK are rabid. Most of them, probably, but that's an occupational hazard for politicians anywhere.

Just thought I'd drop in and point out that there are some leavers who are not in the least rabid. About 17.4 million. We got counted a year or so back.

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 15, 2018 3:51:57 PM | 96

rabid leaver? Perhaps because of my problems with English vowels, it reminds me the words of a Poet:

It is my very humane endeavour
To make, to some extent,
Each evil leaver
A running river
Of harmless merriment.

In any case, how the Maybot can be rabid? A software worm?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 15, 2018 4:21:52 PM | 97

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 15, 2018 2:32:25 PM | 97

The Ultra-Orthodox still do. And have an exemption from serving in the Israel armed forces (though I believe they still must serve, just not in the armed forces).

Yeah, I've read about how obnoxious they are, how they refuse to take any social responsibility whatsoever, but how at the same time they demand that all state policy be geared to their whims. They're as bad as corporations.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 15, 2018 4:35:15 PM | 98

@100

"I wonder if it was Liberman that organized the takedown of the russian aircraft to hurt Netanyahu."

No chance of that. He represents Russian immigrants, doesn't he. Were it something of that nature it'd more likely be the faction that opposes Liberman, and any cosying up to Moscow.

Just as the shooting down of the Russian fighter a few years ago is more likely to have been a faction that opposes Erdogan's cosying up to Moscow.

Dr Kevin Barret gives his reasoning in this interview with Richie Allen from yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p7xZvn8Xz8

Starts at 1:02.38

Posted by: Noggin the Nog | Nov 15, 2018 6:11:11 PM | 99

Important to remember that of that million or so who emigrated from Russia to Israel, about one third of them weren't recognised as Jews, by the Rabbis who supervise Israeli immigration.

These are the ones responsible for the Israeli hi-tech boom.

And Israel's turn to the Right

So, it's the same Globalist Nationalist fight going on in Israel as well.

It could be argued though that Globalism has already lost. And all we're seeing really is some sort of Globalist rearguard action to stave off the unity of the world island.

Posted by: Noggin the Nog | Nov 15, 2018 6:30:03 PM | 100

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