False Reports In U.S. Media Suggest A Great Deception
The New York Times is lying to its readers about the commitments of an adversarial state. It did not learn a single lesson from its fake reporting that led the Iraq War. It again furthers hostile aggression.
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In a piece published today, In North Korea, Missile Bases Suggest a Great Deception, the paper lies about North Korea's commitments:
North Korea is moving ahead with its ballistic missile program at 16 hidden bases that have been identified in new commercial satellite images, a network long known to American intelligence agencies but left undiscussed as President Trump claims to have neutralized the North’s nuclear threat.The satellite images suggest that the North has been engaged in a great deception: It has offered to dismantle a major launching site — a step it began, then halted — while continuing to make improvements at more than a dozen others that would bolster launches of conventional and nuclear warheads.
There is no North Korean deception. It agreed to dismantle a missile test site, not an operative "launching site", and it agreed to a moratorium of nuclear and missile testing. Nowhere has it made any commitment to stop productions or deployments of missiles.
The Singapore Declaration Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump signed says nothing about ballistic missiles. It agrees on four step to be taken in sequence: 1. establish new US-DPRK relations, 2. build a lasting and stable peace regime in all of Korea, 3. support of the Panmunjom Declaration between North and South Korea, 4. North Korea commits "to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula".
There is no public or secret commitment by North Korea to stop its production of ballistic missiles just as there is not commitment by the United States to stop its continuing arms buildup.
There is in fact the opposite. North Korea openly said multiple times that it would increase its ballistic missile capacity. In May 2017 Chairman Kim Jong-un ordered to start mass production of the medium range Pukguksong-2 (Poseidon-2) missile:
[The KCNA state news agency] quoted Kim as saying the Pukguksong-2 met all the required technical specifications so should now be mass-produced and deployed to the Korean People's Army strategic battle unit.
In August 2017 he ordered to increase the production of solid fuel missiles.
Kim visited the North Korean Chemical Material Institute of the Academy of Defence Science recently, according to a statement from the government-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).“He instructed the institute to produce more solid-fuel rocket engines and rocket warhead tips by further expanding engine production process and the production capacity of rocket warhead tips and engine jets by carbon/carbon compound material,” the statement read.
At the beginning of 2018 Kim Jong-un again publicly ordered to expand ballistic missile production. Those were not empty words. By July 2018 the expansion of a known missile factory was visible in publicly available satellite pictures.
Foreign Affairs noted that these were legitimate steps, not deceptions:
This activity does not suggest Kim is being duplicitous or is “cheating.” He never promised to stop producing nuclear weapons or ballistic missiles. In fact, quite the opposite. In his 2018 New Year’s Day address, Kim directed North Korea’s “nuclear weapons research sector and the rocket industry” to “mass-produce nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles.” It is clear now that Kim is following through on what he said he would do.
The NY Times piece peddles a lame analysis of some satellite pictures by the Center for Strategic and International Security (CSIS, funded by oil, weapons and banks). The analysis only describes one old missile site that was developed over decades and saw no recent changes:
First phase construction of the Sakkanmol base began sometime between 1991 and 1993 using specialized engineering troops from KPA Unit No. 583 [...] The first phase was likely partially completed by September 1999 when it was reported that “27 (Scud missiles) were deployed to the Togol area (Sakkanmol) of North Hwanghae to form a missile regiment.” [...] Beginning about 2004, the construction of an unidentified military facility with administration, barrack, housing, and support facilities began along the valley leading to the Sakkanmol base. [...] Sometime in 2010 to 2011, a second phase of construction activity began at Sakkanmol that included the addition of barracks, vehicle maintenance and storage facilities, greenhouses, and a number of small structures throughout the base.
The CSIS report is about a well established and well known base for short range missiles. The base saw no recent changes. Why is the New York Times making "deception" nonsense out of it if not to sabotage the efforts by the U.S. president to come to peace with North Korea?
There is another deception in the Sanger/Broad piece. It quotes a State Department statement without pointing out that it is an obvious lie:
A State Department spokesman responded to the findings with a written statement suggesting that the government believed the sites must be dismantled: “President Trump has made clear that should Chairman Kim follow through on his commitments, including complete denuclearization and the elimination of ballistic missile programs, a much brighter future lies ahead for North Korea and its people.”
Nowhere has North Korea made such commitments. Is it the task of the "free press" to repeat the lies offered by the State Department? Is its task to offer its own lies on top of those false statements?
In 2002 the New York Times published dozens of false reports about alleged weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. No such weapons exited. That reporting led to the catastrophic war on Iraq. The Times scapegoated its reporter Judith Miller to exculpate itself. But as today's report shows it has learned absolutely nothing from it. It is now trying to sabotage the one and only Trump initiative that might lead to a less dangerous world. Achieving peace in Korea is complicate enough. Additional hurdles thrown up through misleading reporting make it more difficult.
Currently the talks between the United States and North Korea are again on hold as the U.S. demands to proceed with point 4 of the Singapore Declaration, denuclearization, before delivering on point 1, 2 and 3 by lifting the current sanctions against North Korea and by signing a peace agreement. The government of South Korea is working to bring the talks back on track.
Peddling satellite pictures of old North Korean bases and deceiving ones readers about its commitments make war on the Korean peninsula more likely. It is not only deceptive but nefarious.
Posted by b on November 12, 2018 at 18:42 UTC | Permalink
The deep state/Atlanticist lobby strikes again! Evidence? We don't need to stinking evidence, let's just make something up. We're the NYT and we write in nice sounding sentences, so you NOW everything we say is well researched. It's where intelligent people get their news, after all.
Posted by: worldblee | Nov 12 2018 19:15 utc | 2
The NYT article has the feel that it was dictated to the NYT stenographers by the CIA.
Posted by: chet380 | Nov 12 2018 19:38 utc | 4
Fake news, deception, outright lies, so-called informed press, mouthpieces for the various U.S. Government outlets, which seem to be at odds within the whole. What to believe, what not too believe, has been muddied by Trump and his bravado. The so-called deep state, have they given Trump the o.k. to do all this? Keep everyone off guard as to the things that really matter. How about the homeland infrastructure decaying? How about the education system? Where have all those vocational schools that resulted in making the U.S. great after WW 2 gone to? It takes more than just entitlement for the M.I.C. to "make america great again". The U.S. needs to repair back to its own borders, stop telling the world how to behave. After all, just how long can the "bully of the beach" continue until if fails?
Posted by: Eugene | Nov 12 2018 19:41 utc | 5
So the Media and the New York Times didn't learn it's lesson from Iraq. Well, I have to disagree with b on this one. The Media was a co-conspirator for the Iraq war from day 1, they KNEW everything coming out of the Whitehouse & Whitehall regarding Iraq and WMD was a lie and they repeated the lie because they wanted the war for the profits it would bring to their corporate owners. Consortumnews, WikiLeaks, globalresearch, Scott Riter, RT, Jimmy Dore and countless others have reported and shown that the fix was in with the media to start the war, the truth be damned. heck, Phil Donahue was fired by MSNBC for opposing the war.
Let us never forget MSNBC's professional liar, Brian "I'm guided by the beauty of our weapons" Williams and his orgasmic jubilation at the US for launching missiles at Syria back in April. He must have been thinking he'll get another chance to play dress-up on US carrier, he must have been so disappointed when Trump failed to give him that World War 3.
After 17 years in Afghanistan, the financial crisis, the cheap money policies, the national security state is now hopelessly addicted to war, if the US ever stopped its' $1 Trillion annual military budget addiction it would trigger a recession (maybe even a depression), because the US has no manufacturing base, except for armaments and perpetual warfare are the only economic policies the Democrats & Republicans agree on. So there is no alternative economic policy that has political support to fall back on to. The corporate owned media is well aware of this fact so they will continue to promote war as the one unifying policy for a disunited America. In short don't ask why the Media/New York Times/Washington post, have not learned their lesson from the Iraq war, ask why the American People have learned their lesson from the Iraq war.
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 12 2018 19:41 utc | 6
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 12, 2018 2:41:18 PM | 7
Missing a "not" in that last sentence.
@Kadath: Freshing to hear the unvarnished truth. What observers see as a "mistake" or a "failure to learn lessons of the past" is often just projecting of the common moral viewpoint onto what is a deliberately immoral person, institution, or system.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 12 2018 19:58 utc | 7
Trump Administration rang the bell on Yemen. Now media turns the page.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 12 2018 20:03 utc | 8
thanks b... i think @7 kadath is correct... the msm, new york times and etc - are working for the military industrial complex.. they have no allegiance to trump, peace or anything of that nature.. if they can get a war going with n korea, iran or where-ever, they will happily do so..
Posted by: james | Nov 12 2018 20:20 utc | 9
Trump is not trying to make peace with North Korea. The president of South Korea is maybe trying to make peace, but it remains to be seen whether the US will allow a protectorate to escape to independence. I think the US system cannot allow this, and this is the CIA or such moving against Moon. The CIA is the President's Praetorian Guard in foreign policy. Institutions like it are in some ways like ocean lines, a new captain can't turn the ship on a dime. But in the end, the CIA is the president's to command, and ex-CIA aka bureaucratic losers to complain.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 12 2018 20:22 utc | 10
PS more potential launch sites means less temptation of a first strike labeled a counterforce strategy. It's like having a bunch of presidential palaces, you don't know which one you really want to bomb, even if you're that kind of person.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 12 2018 20:24 utc | 11
The laeade of the free world can not close an umbrella, not to comment on that he did not pay homagr to WWI soldiers who paid the highest price.
He is a piece of shit, and should be treated as such. Flushed.
Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Nov 12 2018 21:14 utc | 12
The NYT has always promoted war. There is not a single occurrence (USA act of aggression) in the history of the NYT (established 1851) which the NYT did not encourage.
If anyone can point to one act of American aggression which the NYT opposed, I'd like to know about it. It cannot be found. There is not a single exception.
There are thousands of articles in the archives and all of them favor war - that is USA Aggression.
Posted by: fast freddy | Nov 12 2018 21:32 utc | 13
fast freddy | 14: "The NYT has always promoted war."
Correct.
Meanwhile, there is an arresting suggestion, floating on blogosphere, to rename Gaza Ghetto into Auschwitz.
Makes sense.
https://www.rt.com/news/443792-israel-bombs-tv-station-gaza/
Posted by: Anya | Nov 12 2018 21:41 utc | 14
So far I have perused about half the reader comments for the Times article. I thought at least one reader would remember the terms of the Singapore agreement, but no. Not a whisper to suggest that NK was abiding by the terms of the agreement. I'll keep looking but I suspect the Times is deleting any such comments.
Posted by: Chas | Nov 12 2018 22:18 utc | 15
Sorry, but I don’t think a Country that cannot supply tracktors to its farmers is able to produce nuclear weapons or ballistic missiles. If it is not tracktors first there is no excess economic capacity for a military industrial complex of the size suggested. The threat of North Korea is entirely fake, invented by our security disservices.
Posted by: Nils | Nov 12 2018 22:21 utc | 16
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Posted by: Ort | Nov 12 2018 22:27 utc | 17
...talks between the United States and North Korea are again on hold as the U.S. demands to proceed with point 4 of the Singapore Declaration, denuclearization, before delivering on point 1, 2 and 3...
Hm, I have already seen it somewhere... Oh yeah, the Ukrainian regime, demanding the implementation of paragraph 9 of the Minsk Agreements before fulfilling the first eight paragraphs.
Apparently, the US elite decided to adopt the habits of the brainless Ukrainian nomenclature.
More of the same.
What else can warmongers be, except ... warmongers.
Posted by: AriusArmenian | Nov 12 2018 23:09 utc | 19
17
That is an interesting point. I read that Venezuela buys its tractors from Iran.
Wikipedia reports that Cuba buys railroad cars from Iran along with Agricultural materials. I suppose that includes Iranian tractors. It seems Iran buys sugar and other Ag products from Cuba.
The misinformation and disinformation is quite thick. It is difficult to discern anything.
What you say, certainly has merit. If you can't build tractors, do you have the industrial capability to produce complicated weaponry, launch systems and infrastructure to support such systems from A to Z.
Posted by: fast freddy | Nov 12 2018 23:21 utc | 20
@18 Ort
I get the exact same result with Brave browser, even with the shields down.
Posted by: mrd | Nov 12 2018 23:28 utc | 21
@Ort: I'm experiencing the same issue. The image won't display, and the "bigger" link leads to dynamicdns.pairdomains.com. I'm using the Safari browser on iOS.
Posted by: S | Nov 12 2018 23:30 utc | 22
@fast fredd #21
Talking about disinformation, how sure are we that NK cant produce tractors for its farmers?
Posted by: Arch Angle | Nov 12 2018 23:36 utc | 23
kadath @7 has it right on many points
"....Consortumnews, WikiLeaks, globalresearch, Scott Riter, RT, Jimmy Dore and countless others have reported and shown that the fix was in with the media to start the war, the truth be damned. heck, Phil Donahue was fired by MSNBC for opposing the war..."
it's a total war economy now, the industrial base of the country has been long hollowed out, mostly thanks to Clinton and nafta and the free trade agreement follow ups under the neo-liberal regimes, all of which have become world-wide since Reagan and Thatcher started destroying the unionized working classes in the 1980s.
The NYT has been a constant purveyor and cheerleader for such war economy violence overseas for decades (in my lifetime alone since the Vietnam war), so it is not surprising that it is continuing with its lies about Korea. What is heartening is that the talking between the two Koreas continues and advances the causes of peace on the peninsula.
the US is addicted to violence at home and war abroad as much as its many poor and middle class citizens are addicted to a whole slew of legal and illegal drugs.
alas poor America
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 12 2018 23:44 utc | 24
north korean tractor... must be a mistake, lol..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKzZXDpRxdA
Posted by: james | Nov 12 2018 23:47 utc | 25
Nils @ 17, Fast Freddy @ 21:
I suppose these videos and article might not convince you both but they're worth watching: Kim Jong-un visits Kumsong Tractor Factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XfyKYucNQ4
http://dprk-doc.com/en/archives/1720
Posted by: Jen | Nov 12 2018 23:50 utc | 26
Korea was annexed by the japanese in 1910. Krea has been either occupied or under sustained attack for a long period of time.
Food can still be grown with a hoe, but but the country can't be defended with sticks. Any manufacturing capacity will be going to defense, which under the North Korean circumstances would have to be given highest priority.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 12 2018 23:56 utc | 27
Faith in institutions is very weak. The NYT and Scopes are two of the weakest. The right plays Kabuki claiming both are leftest, but when the chips need to be fluffed on the table both step up.
Posted by: steve | Nov 13 2018 0:01 utc | 28
@ fast freddy 14
Yes, The Jew Pork Slimes have always promoted US military aggression on poorer countries, for Israel and for Profit.
Imagine you are the biggest liar the World has ever seen and then you sign a contract with someone and demand all the money be paid out before you even start working!? How many times have I written that signing contracts with the sponsors of terrorism is pointless? Those who lie - they steal, those who steal - they kill, by bombs or by terrorism.
Minsk "Agreement", Singapore "Agreement" ... keep dreaming. Only a financial collapse can save us.
Posted by: Kiza | Nov 13 2018 0:04 utc | 29
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Posted by: daffyDuct | Nov 13 2018 2:19 utc | 30
Just more of the same old lies, manufactured to create enemies that help to justify a huge
military budget.
Posted by: ben | Nov 13 2018 2:30 utc | 31
b,
You forgot the www on the image link. The correct link is: https://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/nytdeception-s.jpg
Posted by: Jonathan | Nov 13 2018 2:32 utc | 32
The more I think of it, the more similarities I see between the fall of the Soviet Union & Warsaw pact countries and the United States & NATO countries. Time for some truth bombs, Namely...
1. A bloated military industry that is strangling the civilian side of the economy in a struggle for limited resources. The US official spends 720 billion on the military (not counting the NSA & NSA budgets, the operating expenses of the Afghanistan/Iraq wars, US nuclear weapon costs are paid out from the department of Energy, the real cost is probably around 1.1 Trillion dollars annually) for that amount of money the US could repave all the highways, replace every bridge, pay for universal health care for all citizens, send every American to university AND still have enough money left over to replace every Hospital in the US), but the civilian economy will get none of that money and will instead make due with the rusting relics from Johnson's Great Society Programs he started in the mid-60s (which is now 60yrs old)
2. Strictly regulated economic relationships between the central power and their "vassal" states, which bleeds off the wealth out of the central power's country in the form of bribes to the vassal states' elites to ensure their loyalty. This weakens the Central power's civilian economy, where generating chaos in the Vassal states as the elites place their economic interests above the interests of the state (also making the elites alienated from the non-elite citizenry who suffer most from these policies). Ukraine's Robber Barons have profited mightily from their relationship with the US, but Ukraine as a state is in civil war and near collapse, kept alive only by "Bribes" from the US/IMF/EU, how is this in the interests of the Ukrainian people
3. A decaying political elite that draws it's legitimacy from its' victory in a prior great conflict 30-40 years (the Great Patriotic War for the Soviet Union, The Cold War for the US). note that just like the Soviet union of the 80s most of the Democratic & Republican leadership is in its' 70-80s and none of them seem interested in retirement (Nancy Pelosi, John McCain, Diane Feinstein), the average senator is now 61 years old, an age when most plebeians are planning on leaving the workforce. How many great (or at least competent) political leaders are being pushed out of the political arena in favor of the geriatric status quo, the US/the West has gone from a democracy to a Gerontocracy(rule by the old). I don't know about you, but I cant wait to see what revolutionary economic policies 85yr old Nancy Pelosi will bring to the floor of the house!
4. declining life expectancy: average life expectancy has declined for most Americans for 3yrs in a row, despite (or perhaps because of) a half-assed, unaffordable, semi-universal, mandatory health insurance plan. Life expectancy increased within the Soviet Union stagnated in the 1980s then dropped more than 10yrs (to a low of 58.9yrs for men!), before slowly recovering and the growing to 71.5 yrs in 2018.
5. Increasing drug and Alcohol abuse: the collapse of the Soviet Union and Russia resulted to a spike in deaths due to suicide, alcohol and drug abuse (alcohol abuse being a historical Russian ill), since the 2000s we've seen a similar spike in deaths due to drug abuse and suicide (firearms), like the Russians of the 90s the Americans seem to be embracing their own historical ills of shooting up (both in drugs and guns) as a means of coping with the economic and social dislocation of the last 18yrs
6. lastly and most importantly, a corrupt and dishonest media. The Soviet union had 2 major news papers Komsomolskaya Pravda (Truth) & Izvestia (news), a popular saying in the Soviet Union was that "there's no truth in Pravda and no news in Izvestia". The US outdid the Soviet Union by creating 6 Mass media news outlets, but all of them just give the left or right wing interpretation of US policy. my advise is this, NEVER read The New York Times and the Washington Post for news or the truth, only read them to know the Party line. The Corruption of the mass media & news industries is the worst of all similarities because the entire organizing theory of a Democracy is that an informed and educated electorate will create the best (a more perfect) form of governance. if the newsmedia deliberately misinforms the electorate it logically flows that the electorate will not create the best polices and political culture will deteriorate into a meaningless Blue Team vs Red Team dichotomy as opposed to a reasoned debate on the best of political, economic, foreign or social policies.
The US's trajectory as it is, clearly parallel's the Soviet Union and Russia's situation during the mid-80's. This is NOT to say I am hoping it will continue to do so, but if the US doesn't address these 6 points it WILL create a systemic crisis because these issues by their very nature do not promote stability as they do not allow for self-correction (everything is based on bribing people to put their interests above that of the local society itself, take away the brides the system collapses as people withdraw their support in favor of local interests, increase the bribes the system collapses because it hollows out the economic vitality that pays for the bribes, maintain the status quo, the system collapses because it does not address the social/economic/political problems created by the status quo)
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 13 2018 2:55 utc | 33
Kadath @ 34 said in part; "6. lastly and most importantly, a corrupt and dishonest media."
Yep, absolutely critical that you have a media that informs the public and doesn't mislead, if, in fact, you really want a participatory democracy, which the ruling elites do not.
Posted by: ben | Nov 13 2018 3:23 utc | 34
It's not the corporate media that has failed to learn the lessons of the Iraq invasion, but rather those who have continued to read, and take as authoritative, the output of the NYT et al.
Posted by: jason kennedy | Nov 13 2018 4:16 utc | 35
Kadath @34
Good analysis.
The extra factor is that most Americans are morbidly obese and without mobility scooters cannot move. An hour spent in any mall is a terrifying experience.
Posted by: cdvision | Nov 13 2018 4:26 utc | 36
b sez:
It did not learn a single lesson from its fake reporting that led the Iraq War
Eh? They learned everything from it. They got away with it. Subsequent wars and aggression in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, Georgia could not have happened without Iraq paving the way. Self professed liberals and leftists cams out in favour of, or remained indifferent to, all of these assaults on national sovereignty. What is under attack here is the concept of independent and sovereign nation states and national governments. Imperfect they might be, but they are the only mechanism we have for protecting citizens’ rights and freedom to pursue a path of development independently of the dictates global monopoly capitalism is trying to impose on the world.
Posted by: Daniel | Nov 13 2018 5:47 utc | 37
Meanwhile, there is an arresting suggestion, floating on blogosphere, to rename Gaza Ghetto into Auschwitz.
Posted by: Anya | Nov 12, 2018 4:41:19 PM | 15
That would be a good strategic move. Israel bombing Auschwitz? Doesn't look good. It sends a potent message.
Posted by: BM | Nov 13 2018 6:19 utc | 38
@Nils @17 - Sorry, but I don’t think a Country that cannot supply tracktors to its farmers
Since 1956 the Kumsong Tractor Factory in North Korea builds about 10,000 tractors per year. It is not the only factory. North Korea also builds many other machines. It is a well industrialized country with an educated workforce. To depict it as a third world agrarian society is wrong.
North Korea is proof positive in the value of being nuclear armed; they're still a relatively sovereign nation.
Do not believe a single thing coming from any western corporate media re: North Korea.
They are singularly, the most demonised country on the planet, with Iran coming in a close second. Iran is also reasonably safe because of its friends, who are likewise nuclear armed.
Kadath | Nov 12, 2018 2:41:18 PM | 7
Gives us a very good recent history of Iraq and those who spoke truth to power, but were run over by a hysterical war machine built on lie, upon lie, upon lie.
It continues to this very day...
Posted by: V | Nov 13 2018 7:23 utc | 40
Even otherwise hawkish experts are pissed off by the false NYT framing:
What to make of a new report on N. Korea’s undeclared missile operating bases
CSIS's research contains important new information, but the media's framing is disingenuous
The New York Times‘s framing of the story left many North Korea-watchers—including this author—perplexed. There is no “great deception” by North Korea with regard to its missile operating bases because there is no deal with North Korea concerning its ballistic missile programs.The Singapore declaration and the inter-Korean summit declarations of April 27 and September 19 this year do not commit Pyongyang to either disclose the sites identified by Bermudez et al., and they certainly contain no unilateral commitment by North Korea to disable or dismantle these facilities.
On the contrary, the existence of these bases and, most importantly, their ongoing activity and expansion in 2018 demonstrate that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s New Year’s Day guidance for the country’s missile engineers and nuclear scientists to mass produce warheads and missiles is going ahead.
South Korea is also pissed off:
Report of N. Korea's 'undisclosed' missile bases not new, S. Korea says
South Korea's presidential office on Tuesday played down a new report on North Korea's "undisclosed" missile sites, saying the state intelligence communities of South Korea and the United States earlier acquired relevant information.Cheong Wa Dae added that it's going too far to call the North's continued activity a "great deception" given that it has no specific agreement to dismantle or disclose the facilities mentioned in the report issued by Beyond Parallel, a group at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).
Is anyone else having a problem with the image? It's not displaying in my Pale Moon browser, and when I clicked the "bigger" link, it triggered "unsafe site" warnings.
I proceeded anyway, but it took me to a "Pair Domains" site. I don't see how this URL (https://moonofalabama.org/images7/nytdeception-s.jpg) takes me to "https://dynamicdns.pairdomains.com/", but that's what's happening.
Posted by: Ort | Nov 12, 2018 5:27:40 PM | 18
I am also getting problems with the image. If I copy the image location and try and open in a new tab I get a security warning about an invalid certificate. If I remove the s in https it forwards to the https but loads the file.
Looks suspiciously like interference to me.
@B: Please register a backup domain on moonofalabama.org.ru (or whatever, but non-US non-US poodle) and set it up so that if the US site is blocked the other site will still work (of course you can either put everything on the backup site and forward moonofalabama.org automatically to it, or duplicate everything on both sites).
Censorship IS COMING. We know that, there is no doubt about it. Be prepared. Preparing after censorship comes is too late, by that time you cannot inform us of the replacement site.
Posted by: BM | Nov 13 2018 7:34 utc | 42
So, a study so lame that not even David Albright was willing to put his "good" name to it.
A quick look at the list of experts at CSIS tells me a few things:
1) Cordsman is the only name I recognize
2) Other than a few Koreans with a Jay-Zon for regime change you aren't going to get a gig at CSIS unless you are Very White or a Blonde Bimbo.
That's just got "beltway" written all over it....
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 13 2018 8:05 utc | 43
@ steven t johnson -
"But in the end, the CIA is the president's to command..."
Ya think, steven? You imagine, do you, that the standard-issue POTUS-puppet that DJT is wouldn't be quickly grassyknolled the minute that he tried any such delusional malarkey? I imagine that the Golden Golem of Greatness - Jim Kunstler's nicely-peppery description - understands machiavellian state-mafia realpolitik better than to have any such delusions. He got his start in the real-estate racket, after all, because his family were already compliant 'made-men' in the eyes of NYC's traditional cosanostroid mafia famiglie. Donald understands the homicidally-ruthless way in which "it's just business" power is managed well enough not to stick his neck out like a prize fool.
Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Nov 13 2018 8:13 utc | 44
@BM 43
calm down! it’s a DNS zone file addressing issue. as someone helpfully stated earlier in the thread you are missing the www. B obviously uses DNS redirection to his hosting company, and https://nameofsite is not the same place as https://www.nameofsite. the www is called an A record, and can be anything, and is often not the same location as no www prefix.
censorship IS coming, but it won’t come like that. the site just won’t be here one day if it is targeted.
Posted by: yarkob | Nov 13 2018 8:16 utc | 45
The nyt is jew owned, and has been for over 100(?) years. It cannot be trusted, it's credibility is not in the toilet, it is already in the sewerage farm. Did it ever apologise for its Iraqi WMD LIES?
Posted by: Ralph | Nov 13 2018 10:57 utc | 46
Kadath @ 34 great analysis
""1. A bloated military industry that is strangling the civilian side of the economy in a struggle for limited resources. ""
A key tenet of MMT is that money/deficits is not the limiting factor. The limiting factor is resources.
""2. Strictly regulated economic relationships between the central power and their "vassal" states, which bleeds off the wealth out of the central power's country in the form of bribes to the vassal states' elites to ensure their loyalty.""
Also a major problem in our political system
""3. A decaying political elite""
I like this new duo, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Mariana Mazzucato. Mazzucato wrote the excellent book The Entrepreneurial State
""4. declining life expectancy"", ""5. Increasing drug and Alcohol abuse""
Makes a good case for universal health care and a job guarantee program
""6. lastly and most importantly, a corrupt and dishonest media.""
Continue to support MOA
Posted by: financial matters | Nov 13 2018 11:49 utc | 47
calm down! it’s a DNS zone file addressing issue. as someone helpfully stated earlier in the thread you are missing the www. B obviously uses DNS redirection to his hosting company, and https://nameofsite is not the same place as https://www.nameofsite. the www is called an A record, and can be anything, and is often not the same location as no www prefix.
censorship IS coming, but it won’t come like that. the site just won’t be here one day if it is targeted.
Posted by: yarkob | Nov 13, 2018 3:16:28 AM | 46
Please do not peddle misinformation, and do not distort what I wrote. I was not missing the www, the original html contained a properly formed link which included the www (I don't know whether that was something which B had already corrected since the problem was first reported, but in any event it was not an issue). It is NOT a DNS zone file addressing issue. It is a security certificate issue and probably combined with a DNS lookup issue. You are evidently keen to try to discourage B from taking prudent precautions. Your claim that "it just won't be here one day" is false. If prudent precautions are taken even if it is blocked by the US it can still be accessed from more civilised countries.
Posted by: BM | Nov 13 2018 11:54 utc | 48
li'l abe: you seem to have missed Trump's remarks where he praised those who fought and died there in the Great War.
Turn your hearing aid up before you flush.
Posted by: morongobill | Nov 13 2018 13:19 utc | 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoFVCNIbKi8
The Kum Song tractor factory. Note that the tractors are only on screen for not even one second in the second last second. This factory is a joke and I would be surprised if they do one tractor a day.
North Korean farmers use primarily oxes.
@40 The industry was sold off as scrap to China in the 90’s during the famine as there was no elektricity to run the factories anyway. Due to the famine government control collapsed, replaced by corruption and survival of the fittest. Government in North Korea does not function anymore. The rest is a Hollywood and cia joke.
@26, indeed, that shows the North Korean industrial capacity.
@27 no, I am not convinced. Looks like photoshop copies, dprk is good with photoshop I know. Fake rockets, fake military drills, all not too expensive with photoshop - or just Hollywood productions paid by the cia as these films are primarily for Western consumption.
Posted by: Nils | Nov 13 2018 14:43 utc | 50
27.07.2018 Author: Andre Vltchek - short film about North Korea
https://journal-neo.org/2018/07/27/releasing-my-north-korean-documentary-film-to-my-readers/
Posted by: ex-SA | Nov 13 2018 15:25 utc | 51
another case of establishment yuppies loving any war in which they won't have to fight. that's pretty much human history.
also another case of establishment "trump derangement syndrome"; they'd rather instigate more nonsense (to the joy of bolton/pompeo-type psychopaths) in a country most yanks couldn't find on a map than give trump even the illusion of a diplomatic victory. trump may be a flaming idiot but it's hard to disagree with his "enemy of the people" rhetoric when you see a bunch of effete new york scumbags play "let's you and him fight" with a divided country that wants to get along and move on from its US-defined past.
Posted by: the pair | Nov 13 2018 15:35 utc | 52
Although major media corporations always served the capitalist ruling class, The NY Times, The Washington Post, along with all major media have become thoroughly integrated into the Deep State (see my commentary here which explains the concept) that rules the capitalist Empire. They are now little more than a propaganda platform for the Deep State and its Empire.
Nice pictures of the great DPRK industrial power, tractors: https://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/sets/72157612436738924/
Nice summary of the economic situation in NK: https://www.oxfam.org.hk/en/DPRKbak.aspx
Posted by: Nils | Nov 13 2018 15:51 utc | 54
As far as i am concerned the truth is very easy to find with this thing called internet. Dishonest media sure but most of the time if you bother to read the article and you have a shred of logic instead of skimming the headline you realize the blattant plot holes and straight up contradictions. What more do they want? for the truth to be shoved down their throats. There is no excuse. The populace unconsciously knows what their "democratic" gov is doing to the rest of th e world and they dont give a flying fuck thats the truth and we all know it.
Posted by: Occidentosis | Nov 13 2018 16:06 utc | 55
David E. Sanger and William J. Broad often collaborate on promotig war and are, IMO, best seen as the NYT stenographers for the MIC. Bernard touched on this with his reference to the Center for Strategic and International Studies [CSIS] and his link to how they are funded. I hope readers look at that donor list, and make some effort to understand the CSIS and the role it plays in promoting US empire. One should note that Thomas J Pritzker , is the current chair of CSIS of the family DEEPLY involved in US politics. Also check out the Right Web entry on CSIS, though last updated ~30 years ago, makes clear its roots and purpose. eg "CSIS activities are centered around media promotion of its conservative, anticommunist policies and strategies.
@34 kadath.. good post... i have been seeing the parallels for some time, but haven't articulated it nearly as well as you..
@ nils.... regardless of where north koreas development is, the fact remains the usa created a living hell and worse for them in the 50's and hasn't really changed its tune ever since.. if it was up to the usa, they would probably murder off as many north koreans as they could.. of that, there will be no discussion about.. instead, the focus is on nk's nuclear development, with the idea that no country that the usa disproves of is allowed to have a nuclear weapon... to me usa as world dictator on who gets to do what is driven home by the recent pronouncements from the usa on iran.. i do agree with @34 kadath, the usa is in its last throws of empire and due for a big fall at some point in the not too distant future..
Posted by: james | Nov 13 2018 16:49 utc | 57
jason kennedy @36--
Your one sentence comment nailed it bigtime! BigLie Media has continued to peddle BigLies since that's its function within the Outlaw US Empire's political economy. BigLie Media consumers would probably be surprised to learn that the Koreas have essentially endorsed a Peace Treaty between themselves and are keen to embark on projects aimed at unifying their people as soon as possible--the Outlaw US Empire be damned.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2018 17:08 utc | 58
further to @34 kadaths post, smoothie has a post up today which echoes kadaths view...
Posted by: james | Nov 13 2018 17:34 utc | 59
It's almost encouraging. The blatancy of the propaganda and the U.S. admin gives me hope that the Americans will awake and turn on their oppressors - their Gov.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Nov 13 2018 18:13 utc | 60
Re: @61 (Ralph Conner) & @62 (Occidentosis),
Why the American people (& the western world in general) people don't recognize how insane things have gotten in the last 20-30 yrs still perplexes me. The US has been at war with or in Iraq almost continuously for nearly 30 years (1991 to present). The next year marks the 18th year of the US war in Afghanistan, meaning that it is very likely there will be a kid born to a veteran of the Afghanistan war after the war started, joining the military and being shipped in Afghanistan just like his parent did before he was born (talk about a family military tradition).
You would think that a multi-generational war would be the textbook definition of a quagmire, yet the media still repeats that government talking point that we're turning a corner in the anti-insurgency and that the next 6 months will be key (the US has now turned 36 corners, I think it's safe to say they're completely lost!). seriously, someone should do a jump-cut of all the times a Whitehouse spokesperson mentioned a 6 month timetable for Afghanistan to see results.
I'm curious if 100 years from now people we call this period the 40 or 50 year war, the phase in which the Western political elite stole the wealth of the empire, triggering a societal collapse and a mini-dark age for the Western hemisphere, while a dynamic East rose to world prominence.
The US has been in a series of a wars, proxy-wars and conflicts with basically the same countries for the last 30 years (Iran, Iraq x3, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Russia), some of these countries have replaced their entire governments several times, yet the US still seeks conflicts with them. Have the American people really embraced the concept of perpetual war, without end or victory as the purpose of the military and as "Normal"? If true, the eventual collapse of the Empire will be even more shocking for the American people as they may come to equate the "peace" that comes from the end of Empire with "defeat" & "humiliation" and it may drive them to be even more irrational in their use of their (diminishing) force.
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 13 2018 19:40 utc | 61
I find it totally ridiculous that the American people should be found blameworthy for all the evil that the CIA/Media/overlordship perpetrates. The America people are utterly powerless, since they have a totally fake "democracy". Let's get real here. Why should they take time and energy out of their desperate day-to-day struggle to survive just to study something they have zero ability to influence even slightly. The CIA/Media/overlordship pretense that the opinion of the everyday people is even slightly significant is the bloodiest red herring there ever was.
40 years ago I tried to convince my "hip" "radical" friends that the New York Times was full of crap, and they all thought I was weird for that. Times have changed a little, so there's that.
Posted by: blues | Nov 14 2018 3:58 utc | 62
Xinhua via Antiwar.com: Trump says report of DPRK developing missile bases "inaccurate"
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-11/14/c_129993392.htm
..."The story in the New York Times concerning North Korea developing missile bases is inaccurate," he tweeted. "We fully know about the sites being discussed, nothing new - and nothing happening out of the normal."
"Just more Fake News. I will be the first to let you know if things go bad!" he added...
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Consequences for the New Miller Times? None.
Posted by: et Al | Nov 14 2018 11:44 utc | 63
@63
Hang on. American authorities glorify their alleged democracy.
It's a somewhat of a moot point. What if you choose not to vote, yet accept the venalities of your 'democratically' elected government?
It's not a one-way street. Allegedly (but quite obviously not realistically) your government is responsible to the people. It works the other way around as well. The people, collectively, are responsible for the government they have voted in. Even if you didn't vote, you have accepted the outcome.
Unless you do something, like leave the US of A in disgust.
Posted by: Ant. | Nov 14 2018 18:35 utc | 64
Someone other than me might be able to resurrect an article from the Bush years that documented what went on in the NYT Upper Room - listing who among important (they thought) politicos having an interest in directing what was to be featured in that paper. It was at the time of Cheney's (pronounced 'cheenie' I don't forget)actual planting of stories he would then publicly quote as having come from 'the paper of record'.
I myself fall down often when it comes to knowing about what the weather has in store, or even important almost local stuff like the terrible fires that happened last week in California. That's because I stay away from newspapers and from tv or radio news to keep sane. And will do so for the rest of my life unless things change for the better. I appreciate very much the information I find on sites such as this one, and I am very sure there are others like me in the US, a greater number than many posters realize. We deliberately ignore often important information we have a right to know, because we cannot stand the state of our news agencies today.
It is a very sad state of affairs. Back in the day, when on overseas travel, I used to yearn for the McNeil-Lehrer report and took solace in the BBC. Not any longer. Again thanks for this discussion about North Korea.
Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2018 19:14 utc | 65
If The Swamp decides to get nasty with North Korea, it'll be hard for Kim to resist the temptation to "Manhattan" Manhattan first.
We'd have to guess what the NYT thought about that...
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 15 2018 15:12 utc | 66
QUOTE: [NYT] did not learn a single lesson from its fake reporting that led the Iraq War.
Au contraire, they learned that the old tricks still work as they did in Hearst's days: gin up a "controversy," rile up the hoi polloi, get a jaunty little war with all the bells and whistles, and some hefty payments, tax free, from some very discreet friends of the NYT.
What's not to like?
Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 25 2018 3:04 utc | 67
The comments to this entry are closed.
This is related to the question you asked about the recent New York Times cartoon. Is the New York Times trying to help Trump get legitimacy to start a war with North Korea? For all Trump's peace talks with North Korea, his administration still has an aggressive policy towards North Korea.
Posted by: QuiteRebel | Nov 12 2018 19:13 utc | 1