Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 21, 2018

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2018-55

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

The first Saudi version of the Khashoggi murder proved to be too weak. We are thus given another on, which isn't any better.

The Turks do not seem satisfied with either story. There have been no signs that a deal has been closed. The French and German governments demand better explanations. While Trump would like to bury the issue, Congress seems willing to push it. Trump is angry with Jared Kushner who has been moved away from the case. The Wall Street Journal reports that MbS is enraged about the reaction his misdeed caused. He simply doesn't understand it. There is also this nugget that seems to confirm that the claimed tape of the incident actually exists:

Prince Khalid al Faisal, an envoy of King Salman who was dispatched to Ankara earlier this month, had access to a short audio recording that offers evidence that Mr. Khashoggi was drugged, killed and dismembered minutes after walking into the consulate, these two [Saudi royals] say.

The Washington Post reported that the CIA also listened to the tape.

All the above are signs that issue will stay alive and will have further consequences.

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on October 21, 2018 at 12:30 UTC | Permalink

Comments
« previous page

On voting:

There is money in it. The privatized machine owners make money. Data Mark became American Information Services (AIS). McCarthy & Co. Investment banker Chuck Hagel, president of McCarthy & Co. was chairman of AIS. There's Deibold and others.

The first signs that the Diebold-made system in Volusia County was malfunctioning came early on election night, when the central ballot-counting computer showed a Socialist Party candidate receiving 9,000 votes and Al Gore getting minus 19,000.

Errors were caught because a poll monitor noticed Gore’s vote count going down through the evening, which of course is impossible. Diebold blamed the bizarre swing on a “faulty memory chip”.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Oct 22 2018 15:10 utc | 102

So Zio-Trump is sending uber neocon pitbull Bolton to sik on Russia and he put uber Zionist Kushner666 in charge of Khashoggigate fact-finding.

My two cents: Meet Bolton at Moscow airport with city dog catcher and when the Turks find the body parts Kushner666 should get the middle finger.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 22 2018 15:26 utc | 103

Thanks for the many replies and input to what I feel is a very important topic and definitional difference between West and East.

Particular thanks to ДжММ @87, who I hope will participate further.

As I suggested above, the rest of the Valdai discussion on this topical area ought to be reproduced here so what I see as the stark philosophical differences can be illustrated further. The fact that these and other issues relating to people's wellbeing are being discussed at all marks a vast difference--please try to imagine Trump in Putin's place:

"Fyodor Lukyanov: Since His Grace raised the issue of charity, I cannot but give the floor to Nyuta Federmesser.

"Founder of the Vera Hospice Charity Fund Nyuta Federmesser: Thank you very much. First, thank you for the chance to be here. Yesterday there was also a very important discussion on the interaction between society and the authorities. Thank you for bringing me in on this issue.

"During the first half (I hope the second half is still to come), you spoke and the questions that were asked were mostly about war. As a representative of a totally different side of life, since we will all die anyway, I do not understand why this pain could be induced…

"Vladimir Putin: This may happen in a variety of ways.

"Nyuta Federmesser: Yes, absolutely.

"In palliative care, in hospices, dying is always preceded by a tremendous concentration of love. Because when people know that this is to come, that it is ahead and that they do not have much time, they spend all that time saying, “Forgive me,” “I forgive you” and “I love you.” Whereas what we talked about here was about a different kind of death: death related to hate.

"You said you have no fear, no fear of the responsibility for the world. We have an incredible number of people in our country totaling 18 million with family members, 18 million of those who have fear because their loved ones are severely ill or dying without getting adequate help.

"It is clear that this is not the first time I speak about palliative care and hospices, and we have been drafting a priority project, you know about that, it was done in part following your instructions. About a year ago, incredible funds were allocated to palliative care development, which, unfortunately, will not be spent. They were allocated in such a way that as of today only 12 percent was spent on palliative care while the rest of the funds will go back to the budget. And I am terribly afraid that I will have no right to say to you, “Mr President, can we revisit the palliative aid issue?” because you will say, “But the funds were returned, so they were not needed.”

"I would very much like that alongside considering Russia’s totally different role in world history and sanctions from all sides, we would also discuss the people who make up the country. Eighteen million is a huge figure. There are 1,300,000 – one million three hundred thousand ­– of those who die each year while needing that care. I want to see care for those people, who are afraid, also to become a priority area. I want them to reply as easily as you did to that question, “I have no fear.” No fear because they know that the state will protect them, the system will protect them, and this help is very inexpensive. [My Emphasis]

"And to protect them, there is no need to reshuffle the economy and re-shape the GDP or whatever. What is needed is your very firm decision, as firm as regarding the issues discussed earlier. Well, that is probably all. I just want those people to also be able to quietly say “We have no fear” thanks to your efforts. Thank you very much. I have the relevant papers with me.

"Vladimir Putin: All right, I will definitely take them.

"Firstly, I completely agree with you that our discussions, our internal discussions should be centered on our problems, domestic problems, our people’s lives, which is actually a major part of our work. And as you said, the fact that we are discussing war – and not just war but terrorism and other similar issues – is due to the way our host Mr Lukyaunov organised the discussion, I am not the one who organises it, it is done by the host, so let us put all the blame on him.

"As to the problem you raised, it is obviously very sensitive, demanding special attention and tact from the state. Ultimately – you said it yourself – the state allocated the funds. The fact that only 12 or 16 percent were used means the work was poorly organised. I assure you that it does not mean that I will say to you, “The money was allocated and you did not use it, so that’s it, good-bye.” Do not worry, this will never happen.

"I know the way money is spent, and very often, funds allocated by the state to handle certain matters of absolute priority do not reach the end receiver. If they are returned to the budget, it does not mean that they will stay there for good and the necessary funds will never be allocated again. We will certainly keep doing it.

"Yet we have to admit that whatever the state might do, it is impossible to completely solve any problem 100 percent. Life is more complicated and keeps throwing in more and more of new problems for us. Of course, efforts by the state are very important, as are those by society and religious organisations, by the way. It is religious organisations, and I mean our traditional faiths, that create the internal strength and internal basis for any person to feel secure in this fast-changing and fairly dangerous world.

"The state will definitely pursue all the tasks in the context you have just mentioned. Do not worry. I will take your documents, of course. It does not mean we will wrap up the topic just because someone underused the funds. Have no doubt. I will see why such a small percentage was spent. It looks strange."

Hospice and palliative care come under Medicare/Medicaid, which Wall Street and the Duopoly want to destroy along with Social Security and pensions of all types--they want to harvest the funds for those programs to make themselves fatter and return the USA to its pre-1935 and pre 1965 conditions when Medicare/Medicaid were added. For those who think that's just partisan claptrap, I have a massive amount of evidence proving those truths. Deep State USA doesn't give a damn about anyone except themselves, and even that's questionable regarding the world they hope to design for their children.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 22 2018 16:36 utc | 104

So, alas, Bolton made it through Moscow airport security and Putin had no choice but to shake that dirty Neocon dog's (no offense to dogs) hand for the photogs.

It's going to be an uncomfortable meeting. Putin should look at his watch a few times; maybe send in a few dogs of his own.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 22 2018 16:42 utc | 105

Zion Bolton is one nasty piece of (Yinon Plan For Greater Israel) work.

He's the kind of guy who should be given a backpack and a parachute and airdropped into a hot zone of his own design.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Oct 22 2018 16:58 utc | 106

I very much agree with Mr Freddy (106).

I remember the time(s) when the Mustache of Psychopathy was running up and down the halls of 5-star hotels in the middle of the night, banging on doors and yelling at people who had disagreed with him during the day.

He deserves to be awarded one of those beautiful white jackets with the elegant wrap-around sleeves.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 22 2018 18:00 utc | 107

Canada to nominate Al Qaeda for Nobel Peace Prize...

Syrian White Helmets To Be Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-renowned-international-human-rights-lawyer-to-nominate-syrian-white/

Renowned [Zionist] international human-rights lawyer Irwin Cotler is nominating Syria's famed White Helmets, a group of volunteer humanitarian workers Canada helped rescue from the war-torn country for the Nobel Peace Prize...

A senior Canadian government official who was not authorized to speak publicly, confirmed Friday that some of the refugees have already resettled in Canada. The government declined to say exactly how many White Helmets have already arrived or the total number Canada plans to welcome, citing security concerns..."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22 2018 18:10 utc | 108

Canada to nominate Al Qaeda for Nobel Peace Prize...

Syrian White Helmets To Be Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-renowned-international-human-rights-lawyer-to-nominate-syrian-white/

Renowned [Zionist] international human-rights lawyer Irwin Cotler is nominating Syria's famed White Helmets, a group of volunteer humanitarian workers Canada helped rescue from the war-torn country for the Nobel Peace Prize...

A senior Canadian government official who was not authorized to speak publicly, confirmed Friday that some of the refugees have already resettled in Canada. The government declined to say exactly how many White Helmets have already arrived or the total number Canada plans to welcome, citing security concerns..."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22 2018 18:10 utc | 109

New Korean polling shows 86.4% want Peace treaty with just under 11% opposed--one must wonder what those 11% would prefer. I think it's a safe bet to assume similar polling results would occur in DPRK. Apparently, if solving the situation was left for Koreans to decide, a Peace Treaty would be signed by end of year and all efforts made toward unification enhanced, while all military forces would be demobilized and imperial occupation forces sent packing. Too bad Koreans aren't in total control of their destiny.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 22 2018 18:42 utc | 110

So the UK g'vment , the US and the Saudi Arabian, and the Israeli all have disqualified themsemslves in a matter of months.
If this carries on I will live to see a better world. :)

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Oct 21, 2018 10:44:03 AM | 9

Actually, you/we might actually live to see WWIII igniting....

Video title: Kahraman Denizaltıcılarımız
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UU6vfft0ToY
uploaded by: "Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri" | 21 October 2018 | 16,213 views

(Video Descrption on Youtube)

Published on Oct 21, 2018
Kahraman denizaltıcılarımız tarafından icra edilen atış eğitimleri kapsamında, hizmet dışına ayrılan bir gemi harp torpidosu ile başarıyla vurulmuştur.

A dummy test warhead originally filmed in the Black Sea (South region - North shoreline of Turkey - near Trebzon (Trapezus in Greek) hat in the following video is used as a propaganda tool of Turkish Navy against Greek Navy.
It also ties in with the Khassogi case, (Saudi/Greek Saudi/Turkish Greek/Turkish - relationships - Aramco - Sovereignity righs in East Med - oil drilling claims and yes you might guess to whome else...THE MOSSAD!) but I won't reveal that one yet! I will jsut wait it out.... (rubs hands)

I am sure many posters here won't need a translation service to read those quotes.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 22 2018 19:26 utc | 111

Trump just admitted earlier he's escalating the nuclear arms race. He literally said he's growing the nuclear arsenal but no one else can or should try to do same.

No one would dare. Snark/

Posted by: Circe | Oct 22 2018 19:55 utc | 112

The timeline keeps on slippin, slippin, slippin, into the future.

Tory MPs said that they and their constituents were increasingly "frustrated" as the Prime Minister insisted the UK will leave before the next election in May 2022 - six years after the Brexit vote.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/22/theresa-may-accused-surrender-attempts-quell-tory-rebellion/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget


Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 22 2018 22:06 utc | 113


Moon of Alabama's new theme song:

♫♫ FEEL!!

I’ve got no inner monologue

I bow before the (((Synagogue)))

Maybe I’m an NPC, baby....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chue0bPORuU

Posted by: NPC873470628751236 | Oct 22 2018 22:30 utc | 114

96

Realizing from reading investigative reports here on MoA that revealed '5,000 RABBLE ARMY OF CENTRAL AMERICANS MARCHING ON TEXAS!" is actually an Isreali Mossad false-flag operation to circle the sleeper-cell Nebuchadnezzarim ahead of the US midterm elections, and then realizing his insider knowledge of the operation could cost him the 2020 re-election, all on account of his sneaky son-in-law's double-dealings behind his back, Donald Trump has admitted late today that Isreal is, in fact, behind the refugee mob marching north through Mexico:

The President says, "Unknown (sic) Middle Easterners' are among the thousands seeking asylum in marching towards the US Texas border."

Since Trump has now admitted to the fact, he is then exonerated from 'hiding the fact', without actually admitting the truth behind the fact. Winning!

"A senior (WH?) (Mossad?) (NYT?) (fictional?) official, speaking anonymously off the record says 'there's no evidence'." Of course, there wouldn't be!

JustGoVote! It will make you feel so emotionally and psychologically secure, even though you are not. Then have a cold Blue- or Red- Koolaid on me!


Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 23 2018 0:09 utc | 115

karlof1 @ 104 yes indeed

""Hospice and palliative care come under Medicare/Medicaid, which Wall Street and the Duopoly want to destroy along with Social Security and pensions of all types--they want to harvest the funds for those programs to make themselves fatter""

----------------------

I don't agree with everything Alexandria has to say but I think she has a lot of basic things right.

We can afford these things just as easy as we can afford to go to war and bail out banks.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

@Ocasio2018
US House candidate, NY-14

“People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.”

- Pres. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1944

He also believed healthcare, housing, education, and a living wage should be guaranteed rights in the United States of America.

Economic Bill of Rights

Posted by: financial matters | Oct 23 2018 13:09 utc | 116

Economic Bill of Rights

Posted by: financial matters | Oct 23 2018 13:16 utc | 117

Don't know why the link doesn't work but here it is..

The Economic Bill of Rights
January 11, 1944

Often referred to as the "Second Bill of Rights"

Excerpted from Franklin Delano Roosevelt's message to Congress on the State of the Union.

This was proposed not to amend the Constitution, but rather as a political challenge, encouraging Congress to draft legislation to achieve these aspirations.

It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people — whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth — is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights — among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however — as our industrial economy expanded — these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. "Necessitous men are not free men." People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all — regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.

Posted by: financial matters | Oct 23 2018 13:27 utc | 118

donkeytale @ 15. Yesss .. imho you are half right.

‘Crashing out’ / ‘leaving the EU’ (Brexit) will lead to a faction e.g. the ultra-pro-Brexit Tories but not only, which shows the backward and parochial nature of GB pol parties, the main ones are split on the most important issue.. using the event to crush the poor further.

E.g. they seem *determined* to kill off the disabled, scrap labor laws that favor workers, and kill off enviro. regs (not that those amount to anything so who cares about that), and so on. The effect on many ordinary ppl will be profound and nasty, and is actually already taking place. Ex. NHS has many empty jobs, about 1 in 8 or 10 I read. Extra deaths in the beginning of 2018: 10,000 - rough, I’d have to look up the details..

Such results are baked in imho. Brexit is really what you make of it, not much for some or in some sense going down the road. (I am anti-EU and would argue that all that isn’t enough to want to ‘stay.’)

Sadly many left wing ppl prefer EU neoliberal anti democratic, corrupt rule.

The left died. No scraps remain. French or for that matter Swiss Socialists, and US Democrats (to mention only some ‘main’ parties in OECD) are willing stooges in an exploitative scheme, their function is to provide some weak ‘alternative’ discourse to shore up the fiction that democratic opposition to the overlords has a *voice.* That translates to so-called social movements which are nothing more than provoked and paid for media stunts (Me-too, US Black Lives Matter, slice and dice other, LGTB, etc.) and demos that appear on the blue screen to divert, obfuscate, and fool.

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 23 2018 15:56 utc | 119

So while the rest of the world is focused on Saudi Arabia, China is asserting its position on global matters elsewhere and the MSM is not listening/reporting

China committed to facilitating just settlement of Palestinian issue: vice president

When the music stops and there is a reckoning, China and the rest of the world will force a just settlement of the Palestine issue.

That day seems to be getting closer and many will say it is way past time....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2018 4:55 utc | 120

« previous page

The comments to this entry are closed.