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October 07, 2018

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2018-51

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

The Saudi video tweet is still up. The U.S. media position towards the clown prince MbS and Saudi Arabia is likely to change over the fate of their beloved propagandist Jamal Khashoggi. The servile adoration by the whole 'elite' towards the fake 'reformer' will end. Hey Washington Post, time to pick up on the piece above to fill that empty space.

Should it be confirmed that Saudi goons indeed killed Khashoggi the State Department will - in the harshest terms - condemn Iran and sanction Russia.


Also this week:
The anti-Kavanaugh strategy by the Democratic Party leadership was an utter failure. They could have emphasized his role in the Patriot Act, the Bush torture regime and his earlier lies to Congress to disqualify him. Instead they used the fake grievance culture against him which allowed Trump to do what he does best - wield victimhood (vid, recommended).

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on October 7, 2018 at 15:22 UTC | Permalink

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@96 "Revolution was much easier before the age of multi-media propaganda when people actually met and discussed important events instead of sharply focusing on the trivial."

Not only do they focus on the trivial they do it anonymously on the internet. It's now possible to have heated arguments over nothing with total strangers.

Posted by: dh | Oct 8 2018 20:46 utc | 101

Thirdeye @94--

Thanks for your critiques and contributions! Clearly there's a need to devise a manifesto, a platform, not just listing goals, but expounding on why they need to be pursued and made good. I agree with your presumed premise that the Duopoly parties aren't capable of reform and must be considered a lost cause in the effort to move forward. (Apologies for this being so USA-centric as the need for change exists most everywhere as Caitlyn constantly notes.)

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 8 2018 20:52 utc | 102

The R Party is greed-corporate-trickle-down-banker-mafia-money-laundering bastards bad and the D Party once had some merit in that it supported labor unions, public education, social welfare, Social Security and Medicare, and medicaid (while also being greed-corporate-trickle-down-banker-mafia-money-laundering bastards).

It was anti-war when it was politically expedient. But there isn't any money in that.

The D Party to its disservice, abandoned most of its common-man principles in favor of corporate bribes. It assisted in the dismantlement of labor unions; it is assisting overtly and covertly in the dismantling of public education, welfare, Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid. Its "bipartisan" efforts were/are killers.

You know you're going to get screwed when they do bipartisanship.

Foreign policy, of course, is as bad as the Republicans.

There is nothing to make it worthy of sustaining it, lest it be totally hollowed out and begun anew.

Not going to happen with the existing cast of superstars in the Party.

(Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, Obama, and etc).

Posted by: fastfreddy | Oct 8 2018 20:54 utc | 103

Ragheb @98--

To prevent escalation into a wider war that draws in NATO is the short, easy answer. Syria has defended itself at every opportunity and retaliated several times, the most recent at Golan. Russian policy is now altered to include shooting at Zionist jets whereas nothing was done before the Il-20 shootdown. Zionists have blustered that they'll continue their illegal attacks despite S-300s, but so far they've only conducted recon flights. At some point, the Zionists will pay for their arrogance.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 8 2018 21:03 utc | 104

It seems that the US and Russia are starting to get on the same page here.

Nardeep Pujji

Look Out !!!

Its beginning to crack

Posted by: financial matters | Oct 8 2018 21:22 utc | 105

norette @83, Anton Worter @84, thirdeye @96, karlof1 @98

I am heartened by your response. I wanted to see what others thought before posting my reply to donkeytale here (I replied at the original thread a couple of days ago).

My reply (edited slightly for readibility):


You continue to sidestep the fundamentally undemocratic nature of American politics. You clearly know enough to know better. That’s why you’re a troll.

The fake establishment left [a grouping that donkeytale's views are well aligned with] pretends that it doesn’t matter and fights for ‘good enough’ democracy. Just because no one’s in the streets doesn’t mean that people haven’t noticed or don’t care.

I don’t think it’s worthwhile to engage in a religious debate with you. How much leeway the establishment allows for ordinary people is like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Each assumes a benevolent power.

As for Sanders, he was the ‘sheepdog’ that Black Agenda Report said he was early in the race.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2018 22:08 utc | 106


In my role as an educator, too, I'm seeing this, "...because people realized collectively that it is in their best interests to do unto others, before others do unto them."

Fewer words? "Get Blue Team, or die trying." There is only the Deep Purple Mil.Gov UniParty. Everything else is ephemeral.
Need a visual? Power, not Truth, Abides

"The ancients asked these questions:
Of the mystery of good and evil, the
succession of life and death, the ways of things
long forgotten.
For they saw Life as a mere dust mote, in
transit between the vast cosmos and the bitter
earth below.
So, to those caught between the devil and the
deep blue sea, who look death in the face,,
and leap.
Peter Torbay, Creation Myth

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 8 2018 22:21 utc | 107

@Zanon 9
I agree that the meeting between Putin and nuttyahoo will be interesting. I interpret the follow up Russian actions since the last IDF dirty trick to indicate that some power has shifted to Sergey Shoygu and this meeting will be a measure of that speculation. There are serious issues brewing in the Golan. The global mafias are chafing and repositioning.

@Sunny Runny Burger 10
The actual physical design and chip selection process for motherboards is a rigorous and closely monitored stage in any PC or server production. Multi layered circuit boards render late addition of chips almost impossible other than an odd capacitor here or there to accommodate performance issues (but RARE even for that). The number of chips on a board has a direct influence on long term performance and designers strive to absolutely minimize the chip count. Many eyes and minds are focused at this point and the chance of a spurious chip being placed is entirely out of the question. The absolute function of each chip is a fully understood and deliberated choice.

I will wait for irrefutable proof of this story.

Bloomberg will be toast for this story, it is amateurish, ill informed and sought no engineering substantiation but a vague generalization from a hardware security person. Supermicro lost a billion on day one and then for days later and is not yet back at its price before the story. THAT is big damages! This level of hacking is the hardest to conduct as so many independent analysts are part of the design. Snowden showed us that there are much easier and fully developed ways.

Apple and Amazon are damaged! They are screaming because Bloomberg has wedged them in a dirty dossier (chips not chicks) story as part of their establishment toadying.

Of course it is possible that Bloomberg’s story is part of a shakedown of Supermicro or maybe its contribution to damaging a key Chinese export. But that would mean Bloomberg are not to be trusted wouldn’t it?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 8 2018 22:27 utc | 108

So, to those caught between the devil and the
deep blue sea, who look death in the face,,
and leap.

"That's exactly it," Knecht said. "You're right, I feel the same way. But even though we
are goihg away, we won't after all be leaving Eschholz. Only the ones who have gone away
forever have really left it, like Otto, for instance, who could make up such funny bits of Latin doggerel, or Charlemagne, who could swim so long under water, and the others. They really said farewell and broke away. It's a long time since I've thought about them, but now they come back to me. Laugh at me if you like, but in spite of everything there's something impressive to me about those apostates, just as there is a grandeur about the fallen angel Lucifer. Perhaps they did the wrong thing, or rather, undoubtedly they did the wrong thing, but all the same they did something, accomplished something; they ventured a leap, and that took courage. We others have been hardworking and patient and reasonable, but we haven't done anything, we haven't taken any leaps."

"I don't know," his companion said. "Many of them neither did anything nor ventured
anything; they simply fooled around until they were dismissed. But maybe I don't quite
understand you. What do you mean about leaping?"

"I mean being able to take a plunge, to take things seriously, to — well, that's just it, to leap.
I wouldn't want to leap back to my former home and my former life; it doesn't attract me and I've almost forgotten it. But I do wish that if ever the time comes and it proves to be necessary, that I too will be able to free myself and leap, only not backward into something inferior, but forward and into something higher."

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 8 2018 22:30 utc | 109


Sanders is an OSJ who never worked a manual job in his life, manual work being 'beneath the dignity' of elitist OSJs. He gladly undertook his sheep dog role for Rodham, and who wouldn't?! He was feted and fawned over by the best and brightest of the rich Liberals. He raged and drooled about Guaranteed Minimum Wage and Medicare for All and pied-pipered all those old hippies and green millenials off into his psyop echo chamber ... and then handed them off to mass murderer, and kleptocratic psychopath Rodham!

Sanders even gave her his public vow of support! Sanders blatantly pimped for Carbon Catholic Pope Albertus and his New Energy Carbon Credit Tithe-Tax 'Scheme'. He fully supports Israel, fully supports Mossad and the ISIS-Syria-7 Nations in 5 Years PNAC bit.

It's like dealing with vampires! They keep popping back up, un-dead, like Rodham and Obama, poisoning the public arena. Black is White, War is Peace, Slobbering Cretins.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 8 2018 22:39 utc | 110



The anti-Kavanaugh strategy by the Democratic Party leadership was an utter failure. They could have emphasized his role in the Patriot Act, the Bush torture regime and his earlier lies to Congress to disqualify him. Instead they used the fake grievance culture against him ...

The failure of the Democratic strategy was entirely foreseeable AND I believe it was intentional. I documented the coming establishment SUCCESS on September 25th to ensure that no one could say that it was "unforeseeable":

Judge Kavanaugh will almost certainly be approved to sit on the Supreme Court on Friday morning. [Note: It didn't happen that friday but 8 days later]

The nomination process has been pure theater. Kavanaugh is suspected of being against abortion rights and the "left" has focused on that. Some dubious allegations of sexual abuse grabbed headlines for several weeks but have (predictably) had no substance.

Because of these spurious allegations, women's voices are now suspect. The move to a more conservative and authoritarian society requires that women are shut up.

But with these headline-grabbing allegations the Democrats have done more than undermine the credibility of women, they have also caused serious questions about Kavanaugh to be ignored. Chief among these is his record wrt national security and Presidential power. It's hard to find a more pro-executive branch judge than Kavanaugh.

Along those lines, Kavanaugh's work in the Bush Administration has been hushed up. His Bush-era work may have involved such things as the legal case for rendition and torture.

With Kavanaugh and Gina Haspel, we are seeing promotion of useful idiots that solidify "Deep State" control and ready a move to full authoritarian rule.

Thanks to 'sheep-dog' Sanders, 'Goldwater girl' Hillary, and the Clinton's cult-like machine politics, the plutocratic 'establishment consensus' (my term) continues unabated. We are sleep walking into dystopia.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2018 22:43 utc | 111

@laguerre 91
Many of us knew instinctively that the USA was going to invade Iraq. When the twin towers went down it was clear that the USA could not tolerate the insult, the demonstration of its stupidity and powerlessness or perhaps its evil false flag, whatever.

The position taken by Greenwald and many other free thinkers and journalists was deplorable. Sure Saddam was a turd but the blockade was grievous and punitive of children and innocents. As is the current blockade of Palestine.

The yankees lost the Korean war, the Vietnam war,the Libyan war and any other war you care to name. A nation does not win wars on another's land for in the long term tribalism and national culture revive like a tsunami. The Israeli and Yankee strategy in Syria has backfired totally and they stand stupefied at their own ineptitude.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 8 2018 22:47 utc | 112

There is no Thomas Paine today. Paine of course represented the elite and hired to come to American to raise popular support for the elites revolution, which he did with his pamphlets. Its also alleged he wrote the constitution for the elites. The constitiution he wrote, which was ratified by the elites had no rights. The common folk were displeased sensing something was wrong. Out of concern over a popular revolt the elites passed amendments giving everyone rights, rights that also protected the elites should the common folk take power.

The Supreme Court who were appointed by the elites was an agent to interpret the constitution in the most favorable manner to the elites. In the early days the elites were of many different factions so at times one factions victory in the court at the expense of anothers may have benefited some of the common folk. As the interests of the elites have converged over time, the common folk have far fewer secondary victories in this kangaroo court

As we head for another congressional election, consider that its basically 18% of American voters who control congress, voters from America’s most backward and racist regions. Those who live in the most populated states are underrepresented,especially in the Senate. The same is true for Presidential elections.

Posted by: Pft | Oct 8 2018 22:52 utc | 113


Nothing is going to happen until the sheeple wake up to the Deep Purple Mil.Gov UniParty, and their now $5,200B annualized burn rate, their now $2,400B Deficit borrowing for $2,345B Omnibus Debt Bills One + Two, and their illegal, fraudulent, onerous, odious, synthetic $24,500B 'National Debt', a 'Debt' which the Rothschilds Fed Bank is siphoning (soon) $500B a year in interest-only ... FOREVER ... debt service, lifted from the SS and MC Trust Funds, the Congress-designated 'buyers of last resort' for the US Treasury debt, and the last and only free and unencumbered pools of public wealth remaining on Earth.

Once MC collapses, and rolling medical bankruptcies kill off the senior SS recipients, and Big Hospice siphons off the rest of SS into their private offshore banks, once those last two pools of unencumbered wealth are gone, from that point forward, the Deep Purple Mil.Gov UniParty will just dole out dribs and drabs of EBT and Section 8 housing chits, in an impossible-to-survive USArya of soaring food, rent, utilities and healthcare.

Nothing is going to happen until the sheeple wake up on the street, sleeping on cardboard boxes behind some dumpster, with the shoes stolen off their feet.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 8 2018 22:53 utc | 114

Anton Worter @ 52:

Roosevelt’s National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) (enacted 6/33) ( was the deal organized by Wall Street to implement the plans that had been made by Bernard Baruch and Gerard Swope, the latter the head of General Electric, in the 1920s.

The object was to waive all antitrust laws and permit trade associations of major corporations to set the federal regulatory trade rules while buying off labor by legalizing and protecting union organizing and requiring good faith bargaining under federal law (these rights were reinstated after the National Industrial Recovery Act was declared unconstitutional in May 1935 by the Supreme Court with the passage of the National Labor Relations Act, aka the Wagner Act, (enacted in 7/35) ( and Social Security etc. In other words, Wall Street got its way–it’s version of socialism–and the rest of us got what are now usually called “entitlements.” (See: )

Democrat Roosevelt was Wall Street’s candidate in 1932 after Hoover– who was the winning Republican candidate for president in 1928 against Al Smith–refused to implement the form of fascism (Hoover used the word fascism to describe this program in his autobiography) contemplated under The Swope Plan (, consistent with Bernard Baruch–the national industrial czar under Wilson during World War1 –( ) and his assistant Hugh Johnson’s (
efforts and research in the 1920s. This research paved the way for the implementation of The Swope Plan by means of the NIRA in the 1930s.

Roosevelt agreed to the plan when he ran in 1932 and Wall Street contributions flowed to Roosevelt, the Democrat. Yes, the New Deal was a Wall Street plan enacted under a Democratic Wall Street oligarch. And yes, that was after Wall Street financed both sides of the Russian Revolution and the fascists in Italy and Germany. But I digress.

Baruch’s assistant Johnson became the head of the National Recovery Administration (NRA) under Roosevelt. Walter Teagle, the president of Standard Oil, Gerard Swope, the president of General Electric and Louis Kirstein, vice president of William Filene’s Sons of Boston (a big department store in Boston) became Johnson’s assistants administering the NRA–which in a coupla years was declared unconstitutional by The Supremes. Just a technicality.

Today Wall Street is calling off the deal and the troglodyte neocons and “conservatives” get to accuse the rest of us —on what is now the side of the deal holding the burning bag of shit– of being just a bunch of losers and economic parasites.

See: Wall Street and F.D.R aka

Wall Street and FDR: The True Story of How Franklin D. Roosevelt Colluded With Corporate America

Franklin Roosevelt as an agent of Wall Street financiers

— by: Antony C. Sutton, 1975, source:

Posted by: pogohere | Oct 8 2018 23:08 utc | 115

@89 karlof1.. re - Khashoggi... i don't know what his political position was while he was living in ksa, but maybe it is explained in some of his wapo writings? maybe not.. bottom line for me is it is another opportunity or not - for the usa to own up to it's happy relationship with the headchopper cult called ksa which in turn have supported isis, al qaeda and all sorts of terrorism, while claiming otherwise... ditto usa on that front too...

@91 laguerre.. i have to disagree with your view.. i think many people knew from the get go, the war on iraq was completely unnecessary and only served to support the financial/military and energy complex... same deal again in all the wars since.. not everyone was duped - far from it.. ps - i agree with most of @110 uncle tungstens comment directed at you as well..

@97 dh, lol!!

that @1 donkeytale post that got held back in automatic moderation.. sometimes automatic moderation is a good thing, lol..

Posted by: james | Oct 8 2018 23:21 utc | 116

@91 laguerre.. i have to disagree with your view.. i think many people knew from the get go, the war on iraq was completely unnecessary and only served to support the financial/military and energy complex...

Posted by: james | Oct 8, 2018 7:21:33 PM | 114

To be fair to laguerre, France to it's credit did NOT support the War against Iraq, to the
point where French-fries were no longer available to hamburger-eaters in the United States

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 9 2018 0:18 utc | 117

@115 guerrero.. thanks for that reminder.. i had forgotten about the french position and those french fry jokes.. i live in canada and we didn't make them here.. our leader at the time was jean chretien.. canada didn't buy into it either..

Posted by: james | Oct 9 2018 0:21 utc | 118

A more important march in Washington than the Kavanaugh circus. Women's march on the Pentagon Oct 21-22.

Posted by: Tom | Oct 9 2018 0:28 utc | 119

pogohere @113--That's not the only time Hoover calls FDR's New Deal policies fascism in the 3rd volume of his Memoirs of Herbert Hoover. The entire 3 volumes, his Presidential Papers, and speeches made after leaving the presidency can all be found here It must be noted that Hoover published his Memoirs in 1951-1952, so his denouncing FDR's policies in that manner may not reflect on how he saw them at the time they were implemented. Looking into his speeches to see if he denounced them as fascism during the Depression is required but is a task that must await another day.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2018 0:30 utc | 120

Sanders is an OSJ who never worked a manual job in his life, manual work being 'beneath the dignity' of elitist OSJs.

Ober-Salamander Jurassic? What does OBC mean? Does everyone know this except me?

I just happen to be a minor expert on Bernie Sanders because I spoke with him at the Rutland Fair one July afternoon in the 1980's. He's an icon of sort in Vermont, I had approached the man with some trepidation... (NOT everyone knew that, in the 70's, Sanders had been the head of the largest anti-Vietnam War group in the United States with a membership in the hundreds of thousands. The original grassroots anti-Vietnam War groups had been systematically harrased by COINTERLPRO, compromised, marginalized, and/or corrupted with drugs prescribed by Harvard Professors Timoth Leary and Richard Alpert, etcetera.)

The super-powerful anti-Vietnam War Movement (recall those poignant Kent State images)
disippated to the strains of Grand Funk Railroad and other insipid derivative rockers
and the popular challenge to the War agenda in South East Asia was gradually dampened.

Bernie Sanders was the president of THE one big group constituting the lumpen-revolutionary animal pens of the once-noble Anti-War Movement; the once-glorious, once-promising USA Anti-War Movement, one sane point of agreement of so many people in that long gone era.

It makes Mr Sanders look as if he were the sheepdog betrayer of the USA's 68 Revolution.
Yet I didn't confront the man with my doubts. We exchanged pleasantries is all, at the time.

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 9 2018 1:12 utc | 121

The yankees lost the Korean war, the Vietnam war, the Libyan war and any other war you care to name.

They lost all those wars, yes. However, they won the Grenada War; then prevailed in the great Panama War. It were a too unbalanced generalization to maintain that the Yankees have lost EVERY war they have been in, as it's only fair to admit that they they have won at least two.

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 9 2018 1:28 utc | 122

uncle tungsten at 110. greenwald wasn't blogging when the iraq war took place. he wasn't even following politics. where do you get the idea that he supported it?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2018 2:40 utc | 123

Below is the ChinaNet posting about the recent visit by U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to China where he was met coldly

I am posting it completely because of its clear/concise is not long
BEIJING, Oct. 8 (Xinhua) -- China on Monday urged the United States to immediately correct wrongdoings and stop actions damaging its rights and interests, calling on the two major countries to "follow the right path of win-win cooperation, rather than go astray toward conflict and confrontation."

[ The way-too-long quote ended up in the spam queue.

Here is the URL

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Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 9 2018 2:50 utc | 124

Re the first comment page and references to "identity" or "identity politics," CJ Hopkins has an interesting essay (IMO) at

Posted by: spudski | Oct 9 2018 3:06 utc | 125

@98 In rapport we thrive, in rivalry we strive..

Posted by: Lozion | Oct 9 2018 3:09 utc | 126

pretzelattack @121 uncletungsten @110--

I suggest you read Greenwald's preface to his 2006 book, How Would a Patriot Act to discover his own confession that he "had great faith in the stability and resilience of the constitutional republic that the founders created;" that his "deep concerns about the Padilla case eroded but did not entirely eliminate my support for the president" [My emphasis]. Greenwald admits his deep naivete about his nation and its goals--even prior to Bush--and issues this short mea culpa:

"It is not desirable or fulfilling to realize that one does not trust one's own government and must disbelieve its statements, and I tried, along with scores of others, to avoid making that choice until the facts no longer permitted such logic."

To summarize, Greenwald did support both illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, but at some point the wool was removed from his eyes and from between his ears. He says so himself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2018 3:56 utc | 127

The Theory of Evolution was and is an idea which has subsequently been largely proved to be true.
Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 8, 2018 4:21:46 PM | 95

Well, sort of...
The Theory of Evolution is also known as the Theory of Natural Selection i.e. survival of the smartest/luckiest competitors. As cute as Darwin's theory may be, it doesn't explain the emergence of the inexplicable mystery known as LIFE, or the mathematical precision and orderliness of DNA - the only ingredient common to every life-form whether animal or vegetable.

It's sobering to contemplate the fact that the Earth is made of Star Stuff. It was created in an ultra high temperature environment and was thus sterile when it came into existence. And yet LIFE emerged from an undiscovered combination of these sterile ingredients.

The trouble with the Theory of Evolution is that it skips blithely over the absence of an explanation for the fundamental Origin of LIFE and distracts attention from that quest. Theoretically it should be possible to create a life-form from sterile ingredients, but Humankind is no closer to discovering that secret than we were 1000 years ago.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 9 2018 3:58 utc | 128


Thanks. You type faster than I do.


What we are dealing with today as a result of Sanders sheepdogging Trump over into Adolf Mandy is ... Adolf Mandy! Trump has discovered the Cracker Id in the toilet bowl of 'civilization'.

Without a doubt, as McConnell noted, the Kavanaugh appointment is a watershed for USArya. November will be a bloodbath, no matter which flavor of Koolaid 'wins', the UniParty will survive and thrive.

"With 15 kids and a family on the skids, I gotta go for a Sunday drive." Hey check this out: Wichita Lineman

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 9 2018 4:32 utc | 129

@121 pretzelattack.. according to this link he mentioned it in his first book.. take it fwiw..

Posted by: james | Oct 9 2018 4:37 utc | 130


I taught secondary school Science, and got smacked multiple times for adding, "Of course, evolution is just potted theory from the 18C, during the same era that Arrhenius believed the moon had an atmosphere for his potted CO2 theory."

A two-fer, lol.

My kids got the Full Meal Deal in CCSSI, so they laugh at all my folly. 'Of course evolution is true, Dad! Climate ChangeTM is a Global CrisisTM, Al Gore proved it!!

So, last week, now that it's Fall and all the spiders are up building their biggest webs before estivation time, I made them watch a spider patiently string out main lines, then weave a circular orb, line by line, cross-straining with two feet in opposing dimensions to set the tension, in a perfect giant net, that they could not possibly see with their own eyes.

I quipped, 'When the first random genetic mutation evolved (sic) the first spiders, I wonder where they learned to spin a web before they all starved to death?'

No answer. Then we went out for brunch.

Such thoughts are only for PhD appellates, the Given Wisdom of Scientocracy. They tell us humans evolved from echinoderms now, the lowly sand dollar. They may be right, we are still chasing those dollars today.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 9 2018 4:57 utc | 131

Just ahead of a new report from the IPCC, dubbed SR#15 about to be released today, we have this bombshell- a detailed audit shows the surface temperature data is unfit for purpose. The first ever audit of the world’s most important temperature data set (HadCRUT4) has found it to be so riddled with errors and “freakishly improbable data” that it is effectively useless.

Brought to you by a shill who works for the oil industry.

Posted by: Antares | Oct 9 2018 6:17 utc | 132

The Intercept Teams Up with pro-War-Propaganda Firm Bellingcat

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2018 9:16 utc | 133

nope, greenwald was not blogging, was not a political voice, in 2003. that's what he wrote in the preface to his first book. actually read the preface, don't just link to it. he was, as he said, mostly apolitical with a naive faith in the american system, but he bears zero responsibility for that war (at any rate, any more than the average mope in the street did), as the original post i replied to implied. i don't at all like the direction the intercept is going now with all the cia propaganda, but greenwald's (increasingly rare) columns are not an example of that. why he remains allied with the organization is problematic at best, instead of just leaving it like he did the guardian.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2018 9:19 utc | 134


Its not a dumb question, Russia simply playing a game here, pretending to protect Syria against Israel, but works with Israel!
Take the S300 weapon issue, they will not even be controlled by syrians, but by Russians, meaning = Syria will be further attacked since S300 wont cover Syrian Army or even Syrian government areas.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2018 9:20 utc | 135


Could you give some sources/info on that UK hack? Sounds interesting.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2018 9:43 utc | 136

So, the consensus appears to be nothing can be done but continue to educate each other anonymously on small internet platforms such as this one. Or listening to two tiny, local radio stations on the west coast while Rush, Hannity, et al blare all day every day across the land on thousands of radio stations.

If one is willing only to accept fate disorganised and defeated than even the religiously hoped for "better way" post-apocalypse is an illusion. And this is an extremely defeatist illusion I admit I share with you.....and millions of born-again Christians too, for that matter.

The forces of fascist authoritarianism are increasingly well-funded/organised and have seized the support of the commonfolk stop Brasil, as noted by VK upthread. The commonfolk of the US, EU, China, Russia and India are already conquered.

Endlessly diagnosing the problem is now itself the problem, death by infotainment. A pleasant, comforting hospice to be sure, at least until the bosses decide to pull the plug on everyone but themselves in the name of energy conservation. Lol

The only possible out trajectory presents itself through these same conquested "commonfolk". One still observable truth is .999 is still larger than .001 although each passing day this math becomes more obscure.

Separation is not the answer. Denigration doesn't build mass support or understanding. The commonfolk must be met where they live. There is no other way after all.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 9 2018 10:46 utc | 137


Very good written, going to save that text.
I had the same feeling the other day(s), so much work being done here and elsewhere but it never reach the big mass, this has been going on for decades, centuries in one way or another, there have always been people like us here, in opposition to wars, deceit etc but we are constantly supressed, ending up arguing on small (no offense) sites like these, only to talk with each other, while the effort should be to reach out of our own group.
Small solution, for whatever its worth is try get the message out there, as good as this site is, again, it doesnt reach....anyone really. Go "out" where people are and argue.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2018 11:10 utc | 138

@ 137

No, that's not the consensus. There are those of us who call for the historically tried and true path of building a social/cultural/religious/political movement from outside and against the system. Christianity, Islam, Marxism, just to name a few who had a tad bit of success with this.

Unfortunately this requires beginning with a cadre which truly have burned their bridges to the status quo and are willing to dedicate their lives, day after day, year after year, to the movement. But this kind of spirit seems utterly dead in the modern West: Numbed, narcoticized, redirected to trivial idiocies and the narcissism of small differences (that's the only way it's possible to believe in such a self-evidently insane formula as "the Democrat Party, the ultimate status quo system party throughout its history, is the right path toward overthrowing the system"), most of all bought off and distracted by worthless consumer junk and even more worthless and pernicious consumer/bourgeois/individualist ideology.

That's the reason I've spent almost ten years and literally hundreds of blog posts calling for movement commitment and heard only crickets.

And that's why there will never be any change arising from human agency. There will only be the system collapsing (or abruptly destroying itself) out of its own insanity and unsustainability, and whatever correction the Earth imposes on this totally berserk species which contributes nothing to the Earth and does nothing but waste and destroy.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 9 2018 11:21 utc | 139

Thank you Zanon

I admit I am without an answer to the perplexing turns of event worldwide and mostly want to say what the hell and give up and take comfort among friends in the small world of shared homily. But then, I have a granddaughter and my friends have sons and daughters and I can't even begin to imagine what they will soon be facing.

Then, I see a cop in Texas and one in Chicago convicted of murdering defenseless black teenagers after centuries of cops literally getting away with murder and suddenly there is cause for fleeting hope even as I'm outraged by the continuing police state brutality of the defenseless poor.

We have to stack these types of small wins as the coaches like to say and make something sustainable happen in time.

I totally grok the cynicism and succumb to it most of the time myself. I'm trying to ward it off as best I can by not presenting as another blog comedy routine. I did that in former internet lives far too often.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 9 2018 11:32 utc | 140

Not that there is anything wrong with cynical, black humour....speaking only to myself in this case.

I loves me sum Anton Worter....among many

Russ, I'm in agreement, and unfortunately presently accumulating evidence supports the coming collapse rather vividly.

I'm also not by any means a member or a fan of the Democratic Party other than as a temporary rallying point, an obviously imperfect vehicle but it is one where a critical mass exists. The criticism of the Party, of course the Clintons, Obamas and even Bernie is on target. No question.

The question is trying to replicate that critical mass of people, structure and resources necessary to reach hundreds of millions before the revolutionary (or apocalyptic) moment occurs.

Jackrabbit noted on a different thread Bernie was able to amass a great deal of financial resources through small donations in 2016. And JR is clearly opposed to Bernie but correctly recognises he proved there is a way for people to circumvent the corporatist monopoly with a populist, leftist message.

My question is would Bernie have gained the amount of support he did and been more effective a messenger if he had been more uncompromising and radical in his denunciation of the Democratic Party establishment?

I think not although one could debate the fine points.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 9 2018 11:55 utc | 141

There is credible speculation that Israel and the CIA, two of the main perpetrators in Syria were also responsible for 911 (and that surely Trump is aware of this)

The Case That 9/11 Was an Israeli Attack on the US Is 'Overwhelmingly Strong' - Ron Unz

""Perhaps one reason is that once sincere 9/11 Truthers do focus on those more important questions, the vast weight of the evidence clearly points in a single direction, implicating Israel and its Mossad intelligence service, with the case being overwhelmingly strong in motive, means, and opportunity. And leveling accusations of blame at Israel and its domestic collaborators for the greatest attack ever launched against America on our own soil entails enormous social and political risks.

But such difficulties must be weighed against the reality of three thousand American civilian lives and the subsequent seventeen years of our multi-trillion-dollar wars, which have produced tens of thousands of dead or wounded American servicemen and the death or displacement of many millions of innocent Middle Easterners.""

Posted by: financial matters | Oct 9 2018 12:22 utc | 142

US Navy's strange accidents.

Space Shuttle Columbia conspiracy

Space Shuttle Columbia STS 107 Mission payload:

Major experiments
Examples of some of the experiments and investigations on the mission.[6]


9 commercial payloads with 21 investigations,
4 payloads for the European Space Agency with 14 investigations
1 payload for ISS Risk Mitigation
18 payloads NASA's Office of Biological and Physical Research (OBPR) with 23 investigations

In the payload bay attached to RDM:[6]

Combined Two-Phase Loop Experiment (COM2PLEX),
Miniature Satellite Threat Reporting System (MSTRS)
Star Navigation (STARNAV).


Critical Viscosity of Xenon- 2 (CVX-2)
Low Power Transceiver (LPT)
Mediterranean Israeli Dust Experiment (MEIDEX)
Space Experiment Module (SEM- 14)
Solar Constant Experiment-3 (SOLCON-3)
Shuttle Ozone Limb Sounding Experiment (SOLSE-2)

Additional payloads[6]

Shuttle Ionospheric Modification with Pulsed Local Exhaust Experiment (SIMPLEX)
Ram Burn Observation (RAMBO).

Most are weather control experiments, might also be studies of earths atmospheric and near space magnetic potential - thus manipulation. (Ussualy go hand in hand for atmospheric studies, sun experiment, sounding experiment)

STS107 crew:

1 Israeli Air Force (DUST experiment), 3 United States Navy (Weather Mod. Experiments), 2 United States Air Force (Weather Mod. Experiments), 1 Indian Air force.

Mission was delayed exactly 18 times.
At Vehicle's fated re entry they were observed and identified exactly 18 different explosions.
Vehicle debris were mostly located inside the US at Texas - PALESTINE and some at Texas - Tyler (This Texas town housed the first and central army base to accept and accomodate the numerous German former SS military and Nazi research scientists of WWII from Operation Paperclip)

In the leaked video for the "Columbia disaster" there is additional footage of an already destroyed space shuttle not belonging to the STS107 misison or being identified as the Columbia. It is identified in form of debri with the main fuselage missing and only the crew rescue cabinet/flight cockpit, with a pair of wings floating by. This means the apparent accident/explosion/impact with debri that might has cause its destruction happened in the payload bay. Also any parts of the engines are seen missing.
It is unknown how someone could put a whole shuttle in orbit without anyone else inus NASa and USN noticing it. Are there other ways to put payloads vehicles in (close) space orbit except launching onboard a missile, that the civilian public is not aware of?

Falcon 9 Explosion UFO conspiracy

Falcon 9 payload:

A 200 million US dollar plan contracted in 2012 for an "Amos-6" Israeli covert Military Satelitedisguisd as space based internet brodband system for Europe, Middle East and Africa to be launched early 2016.

Mission was delayed several times (on the launchpad).

Youtube search:
UFO in the Island of Crete
Link: ANALYSES- Ufo in the island of Crete Greece 8/2012

This video appart from claiming the ufo is a "Lidl bag" presents additional data, like actual map location and this is important. it is the Kethyra lay line, at Dyktina location, the (southern line end) part that touches Crete (from the north part that locates at Peloponisus near another location US asked recently for an additional air forc trainign center, and historical Mani town and Arcadian antiquities in the west of the lines (at Peloponisus territory), plus it extends to the other (south) part of the island at some very interesting locations with additional sightings.Nerby is the "Suda" US Navy base. The general area will also house the assemblies and infrastructure that Israel (secretly negotiates) for its energy project interconnector that will span from Crete to Israel, (but is ecretly negotiated, Peloponisus (Arcadian part) all the way up to Athens, "Gerania mountains" and towards Penteli/Vrillision Mountain/Nea Makri/Mati the place the old and currently "non active" US Navy bases that housed all sorts of weird projects during 1970's and 1980's.

The type of "device" in the picture has a very usual behavior for the areas of Crete, Athens-Sounio(Cape of Poseidon's temple), Olympus Mountain area, where it is ussualy being sighted, it uses a method of orbiting that makes it very hard to be visualy identified, yet with a simple photographic camera or a high speed video camera it is clearly visible at the same time.

What US Navy space missions, Israeli army experiments and unknown technology being photographed at Crete/Athens/Olympus have in common?
The post is dedicated to:
Horst Seehofer CSU-Christian Social Union, German Minister of the Interior, Building and Community since 2018 under Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Bavarians ruled #Greece for a time. Maybe it would have been better had it not been temporary,“ @CSU leader #Seehofer jokes to home crowd ahead of #Bavaria election

— Matthew Karnitschnig (@MKarnitschnig) October 8, 2018

List of German Interior Ministers:

You couldn't handle "the Greece" Mr.Bavaria, Internal minister, for the little time your kind endured, you were there for just enforcing your German-jewish (later German-British-Jewish/City of London usurers) friends wishes, but at least your tears sustain us.

How's the broadband internet in bavaria?

Posted by: Greece | Oct 9 2018 13:00 utc | 143

I quipped, 'When the first random genetic mutation evolved (sic) the first spiders, I wonder where they learned to spin a web before they all starved to death?'
Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 9, 2018 12:57:11 AM | 131

Beaut quip :-)
My favourite has always been the chicken/egg conundrum.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 9 2018 13:03 utc | 144

Greece @ 25

"Also do not forget that all invisible stuff that US army had during the Clinton/HRC era, were easily visible. F-117 in Serbia,"

See: Comment #43: (very detailed, links to open source US mil docs)

"The idea of ‘stealth’ aircraft is in fact mostly a gimmick designed to enrich the military contractors…it doesn’t actually work very well at all, as proved in 1999 when the Serb air defense, using ancient Soviet surface to air missiles of 1950s vintage, shot down the USAF F117 aircraft…and damaged another that was then written off, and therefore counts as a kill…"

Posted by: pogohere | Oct 7, 2018 7:50:12 PM | 30

Thank you pogohere very enlighting link for the Russian radar technological abilities and the US-Airforce (Air-Farce) "Stealth" projects!

Posted by: Greece | Oct 9 2018 13:04 utc | 145

Did you people ever heard about "The Monsters of MIR Space station" story?
Unnatended packages with worms onboard the space station turned in to several meter gigantic worms due to long exposure to above tmsphere solar radiation and magnetism.
Titans! lol

Posted by: Greece | Oct 9 2018 13:09 utc | 146

Laguerre @ 91 (+ tungsten @ 112 on the margins)

My experience as well. First, one has to remember that the US invasion of Afghanistan was given the green-light by the Internationals before 9/11. As a concession to the hegemon, whatever. (I.e. it was not linked to 9/11 except as presented to the US public.)

In 2002 I was told by a connected-to-the military person (F) that the US would invade and more or less destroy Iraq .. He also told me that Chirac and Schroeder would oppose the policy (see ex. link.) and not join a 'coalition' but could not, would not, prevail. Imho the invasion was held up mostly because of events in Britain.

The largest anti-war rallies in the world took place, to no avail.

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 9 2018 14:29 utc | 147

donkeytale @141:

Jackrabbit noted on a different thread Bernie was able to amass a great deal of financial resources through small donations in 2016.
I made that observation - and also noted that outsider Movements are the prime movers for real change (abolition, women suffrage, civil rights, anti-war, etc.) - to counter your argument that we must participate in Party politics.

And now, again, you urge participation. It's for the children!

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The fact is, the two Parties have locked-down the political system. At this point, to participate is to be complicit. No real progress will occur until the establishment suffers a set-back. Many thought the 2008 Global Financial Crisis would be that set-back. But now an even greater crisis is developing via:

>> record inequality;

>> record debt levels;

>> a financial bubble;

>> trade wars;

>> the end of the dollar as global reserve currency; and

>> continuing massive mis-allocation of resources (e.g. trillion dollar defense budget)

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 9 2018 14:32 utc | 148

There are those of us who call for the historically tried and true path of building a social/cultural/religious/political movement from outside and against the system...this requires beginning with a cadre which truly have burned their bridges to the status quo and are willing to dedicate their lives, day after day, year after year, to the movement... That's the reason I've spent almost ten years and literally hundreds of blog posts calling for movement commitment and heard only crickets.
Posted by: Russ | Oct 9, 2018 7:21:39 AM | 139

A professor, native of San Luis Acatlán, by name of Genaro Vázquez Rojas, a graduate of Ayotzinapa, put himself to the front of marches and rallies in repudiation of the then governor Raul Caballero Aburto.

Vázquez Rojas was arrested by the police on April 27, 1960, near Teloloapan. He was released 15 days later, by mobilizations of the ACG. In June of that year, he led a caravan to Mexico City, which was received by Adolfo López Mateos, president of Mexico in turn.

Eight months later, on December 30, protestors for university autonomy were repressed by snipers, causing death, injury and detainment in what came to be known as The Massacre of Chilpancingo. The victims were students, teachers, co-workers and small farmers.

In November 1966, Vazquez Rojas again was deprived of his freedom in Mexico City, arrested in front of the office of the Independent Peasant Central.

May 18, 1967, at a rally at the Atoyac de Álvarez primary school, to protest against a despotic director, police officers and local bosses shot at teachers and parents, killing 5, including a pregnant woman and wounding about 25 peasants.

Professor Lucio Cabañas Barrientos, in the confusion, managed to escape, and from then on became a guerrilla: founding the Party of the Poor (PDLP). Lucio Cabañas had also studied at the Normal Rural School of Ayotzinapa.

It was then that the “La Luciada” was spoken of, a revolution of the poor, guided by a singular mixture of peasantry and socialism, an experimental communal revolution in the mountains of Guerrero, a life or death struggle for the vindication of the movement.

The massacre of the Coconut and Copra Workers in Acapulco by the state government headed by Raymundo Abarca Alarcón and the bosses who ordered the prevention of the right of assembly of the independent producers of coconut and palm products on August 20, 1967.

Hired gunmen killed 38 campesinos, wounded 120 more and captured 226 other people.
After the copra workers massacre, the ACG, as a proletarian party, adopted guerrilla warfare; peasants, teachers and students participated.

On April 22, 1968, Vazquez Rojas was rescued by a guerrilla command when he was being transferred in confinement. While these opprobrious acts were being inflicted in Guerrero, crimes against humanity were committed in Mexico City against student protesters: in Tlatelolco on October 2, 1968.

This sustained struggle is the legacy of the Ayotzinapa students and the graduates of the school. In September of the year 2014 they were struggling still...

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 9 2018 15:38 utc | 149

@148 guerrero... fascinating bit of mexican history.. thanks for sharing..

Posted by: james | Oct 9 2018 15:59 utc | 150

Posted by: pogohere | Oct 7, 2018 7:50:12 PM | 30

Very insightfull link. Thank you!

There is a place I believe if I am not mistaken at some mountains somewhere close in Bolivia in Puma Punku where one can see structures resembling something like the F-117 architecture that local legend says they covered ancient entrances to sites and it would be visible only certain times of the year, or something like that. I couldn't find the video in youtube, but it looks amazing.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 9 2018 16:04 utc | 151

@ Guerrero 149

That's a great story of persistence against great (and often lethal) odds. I didn't know that story. Kind of puts a notion like "Vote Democrat" in perspective.

But you remind me, how could I have forgotten to mention Brazil's Landless Workers' Movement (MST), fighting physical adversity, long legal odds, and extreme violence since the early 80s, often scoring victories, and fighting, along with worldwide movements like La Via Campesina (the Peasant Way), to this day.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 9 2018 17:42 utc | 152

On November 20, 1971, the “Vicente Guerrero” General Armed Liberation Committee of the now Revolutionary National Civic Association, kidnapped the then Chancellor of the University of Guerrero, ex-mayor of Taxco, Jaime Castrejón Díez, owner of the 'Yoli' soft drink bottling plant coca-cola in Acapulco. And they made known their demands: fair trial in civil courts to every peasant retained by the army, the release of 9 named political prisoners and money.

The ACNR was able to gain the release of their comrades; in Chilpancingo they were taken to a plane of the Mexican Air Force and flew to Cuba, to exile. The arrested businessman was released on December 1 of that same year.

(February 2, 1972) It is said that Genaro Vázquez traveled with four companions and near Huajúmbaro, Michoacán, in the early morning, and suffered a road accident; The leader was wounded and there detained by soldiers who transfer him to the military hospital of Morelia. A few hours later his death was reported.

Lucio Cabañas dies in combat (December 2, 1974). It happened in the place called El Otatal, in the mountain of Tecpan de Galeana, where near 20 thousand soldiers and foreign special forces operatives surrounded the legendary guerrilla.

A ferocious counterinsurgency persecution was unleashed in Guerrero, torturing and disappearing hundreds of social activists, peasants, students and teachers by military, international agents and secret police - known as the Dirty War, undertaken in the presidential mandate of Luis Echeverria.

Despite the persistent weakening of radical methods of achieving social change, the struggle for the peasants’ demands has transcended Lucio’s death. Gorgonio Flores Cortés was assassinated (October 14, 1992). He was president and founder of the Regional Union of Ejidos and Communities of the Costa Chica (URECCH). The local caciques shamelessly ordered him to be shot in the head with a shotgun. The Mixtec peasant leader was from Acalmani, Municipality of Igualapa.

The Aguas Blancas massacre (June 28, 1995). Ambush and summary execution against members of the Peasant Organization of the Southern Highlands (OCSS), who descended from several towns in the municipality of Coyuca de Benítez to attend a peaceful rally in Atoyac de Álvarez and to demand the presentation with life of Gilberto Romero, one of their companions. Killed and wounded by firearms were 23 persons, by state police of Guerrero under the then governor Rubén Figueroa Alcocer.

The massacre of El Charco (June 7, 1998). The victims spent the night in the primary school of that site of the municipality of Ayutla de los Libres, where they participated in an assembly to discuss matters related to economic projects for their communities. Army forces killed 11 indigenous peasants, wounded 5 others and seized 22 members of the Independent Mixtecos and Tlapanecos (OIPMT). Among the detainees was university student Erika Zamora Pardo, who was tortured.

Digna Ochoa y Plácido violently died October 19, 2001. She was an advocate for human rights and a member of the “Miguel Agustín Pro Juárez” Human Rights Center (Prodh).
She dealt with cases of university students and environmental peasants imprisoned in Guerrero. Her presumed murderers are bosses affected by the activism of the prisoners the social fighter defended.

Miguel Ángel Gutiérrez Avila is assassinated July 26, 2008. Anthropologist and researcher in Linguistics at the Autonomous University of Guerrero; The homicide happened near the place El Roble, municipality of San Marcos. The professor and defender of Indian rights realized studies between the amuzgos and /I>african-nmixed-bloods. The circumstances of his death remain unclear.

Raúl Lucas Lucía and Manuel Ponce Rosas are picked up and murdered (February 13, 2009). President and activist, respectively, of the Organization for the Future of the Mixtec People (OFPM), based in Ayutla de los Libres whose main work is to denounce the abuses of the police forces and the army in their communities and against the criminalization of the social struggle, an objective similar to that of the Human Rights Center of the Tlachinollan Mountain, with headquarters in Tlapa de Comonfort .

Raúl and Manuel were detained near the Plan de Ayutla High School, by agents of the Ministerial Investigation Police and the Costa Chica Public Security Coordination in Ometepec. The bodies were found later, showing signs of torture and grace shots.

Two students of Ayotzinapa Teachers' College are killed (December 12, 2011). The young people killed were Jorge Alexis Herrera Peña (atoyaquense) and Gabriel Echeverría de Jesús (tixtleco), who participated in a blockade of the Autopista del Sol in a toll collection booth in Chilpancingo, to demand the change of director and other improvements in the school. They were shot by agents of the Special Forces of the State Preventive Police; AR-15 rifle bullets caused both deaths and an undetermined number of wounded.

Two Ayotzinapa students were killed when they were boteando (January 7, 2014). Freddy Fernando Vázquez Crispín (from Tixtla) and Eugenio Alberto Tamarit Huerta (from Tenamazapa, Mpio. From Tlacoapa), lost their lives when they were run over by a trailer when they were soliciting monetary donations for their school on the federal road Acapulco-Zihuatanejo, near the Colonia Buenos Aires of the municipality of Atoyac de Álvarez.

In the same premeditated action by the aggressor driver, three other students were seriously injured: Eder Jahir Pérez Serafín, José Bartolo Leyva Baltazar and Luis Enrique Jiménez Tirador.

And on September 26, 2014, forty-three Atozinapa students
were famously "disappeared" from the streets of Iguala, Guerrero.

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 9 2018 18:13 utc | 153

Nikki Haley resigns UN post, next stop, U$ Senate...

Posted by: ben | Oct 9 2018 19:18 utc | 154

As for Evolutionary Theory being a fact, the key is in the Microcosmos and its development of symbiosis. Clearly, some folks just need to read the works of the researchers, like the late Lynn Margulis who wrote The Microcosmos. Oh, and the egg came first.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2018 21:22 utc | 155


Just listened to Thom Hartmann say '...if we don't give up fossil fuels that caused the flood of Libyan refugees because of Republicans...', and he supposedly represents the epitome of human evolution, which pretty well drives a 20d spike through the skull of Evolution Theory, lol.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 9 2018 22:46 utc | 156



When I stayed with a family in Guaymas who invited me to stay with them, their kids were running a TV burglary and fencing scheme at night, and I ended up being their get-away driver, which at first I thought was just fun mischief, until I met a USAryan brother living there who told me what would happen to me if the policia caught us. The kids took me to a cantina to quell my fears, they got chicas to dance with me, and then they got in a knife fight over the gringo. At that point I thanked the grandma for her hospitality, then grabbed a night train to El Norte.

Can't even imagine living in Chiapas, and what it's like trying to survive way down there, or south in Guatemala, Nicaragua, Colombia or Venezuela. Much respect!

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 9 2018 22:59 utc | 157

I see there's no sense in attempting to communicate with such an intolerant, ignorant beast, who knows oh so little about the finer details of life. Ciao!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2018 23:16 utc | 158

Americans are Stuck in Abusive Relationships with Power

Americans are brought up to believe all sorts of myths about the country we call home. We’re told our economy is a free market meritocracy governed by the rule of law. We’re told our civil liberties, enshrined in the Bill of Rights, are inviolable and protected by the most powerful military in the world. A fighting force entrusted with the admirable and monumental task of defending freedoms at home, and democracy and human rights abroad. We’re told we exist in a system of self-government, in which our votes matter and our voices heard. In practice, none of this is true.

The fact of the matter is American citizens in 2018 are just a nuisance for the real power players. Useful as consumers, but increasingly problematic as larger numbers start to ask questions about how things really work. For far too long, we’ve been ignorant and willing accomplices in our own bondage. This allowed the concentrated and unaccountable power that really calls the shots to go for broke in recent decades, with unsurprisingly tragic results.

Only recently have things started to shift. Increased levels of barbarism abroad and corruption at home during the 21st century — under both Republican and Democratic administrations — have shaken many Americans from a long stupor. Irrespective of where you sit on the political spectrum, most people know something’s not right. People don’t agree on the details of what’s wrong, and there’s certainly no consensus on solutions, but increasing numbers of us know something’s very broken.

I try to look at things from a big picture perspective, and from that angle I see too many people focused on the symptoms of cultural decay versus root causes. Not enough people seem to be taking a step back to see that at the core of today’s broken socioeconomic and political paradigm is an American citizenry fundamentally entangled in various abusive relationships with power. This post will highlight three of these relationships. The first with government itself, the second with central banking, and the third with the dominant political parties.

When it comes to the relationship of U.S. citizens to the politicians and bureaucrats in Washington D.C., there’s no indication that anything remotely resembling self-government is happening. Rather, the relationship is far more like that of a servant to a master. The powerful in this country have declared themselves above the law and beyond accountability on too many occasions for it to be an accident. Rather, it’s clearly unwritten public policy at this point. For starters, key players who pushed the Iraq war during the George W. Bush administration, such as John Bolton, are never held accountable. Instead, they’re promoted to even more influential roles many years later.

Equally troubling, leaders of intelligence agencies like John Brennan who supported torture during the Bush years, ran the CIA while it spied on a Senate investigation into torture and then lied about the spying, likewise face no consequences for their actions. Rather, Brennan ends up with a corporate media gig as an MSNBC/NBC “resistance” pundit. Same thing with former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. He lied under oath about domestic government surveillance, gets caught following the Snowden revelations, and then nothing at all happens to him. He leaves government many years later, joins a think tank, and becomes a CNN contributor.

Of course, this whole above the law thing extends well beyond government officials. We saw how bankers who tanked the global economy as a result of systemic and extremely lucrative fraud schemes received bailouts instead of jail sentences. We should never forget that not a single bank executive went to jail. When a class of powerful super predators are placed above the law, society dies.

. . .

That being said, the fact we remain stuck in this pathetic two-party political dungeon tells me something important. It tells me we’re still very early in the populist wave here in the U.S. It tells me that while people are increasingly fed up, they aren’t nearly as fed up as they could be. When people have finally had enough, you’ll know it. We’re steadily building up to that moment, but not there yet. There’s no way to know exactly how this period of time will play out, but I do know what emerges on the other side won’t look like anything like what we have today.

More at the link.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 9 2018 23:56 utc | 159

Jackrabbit @ 159 quotes from an essay:

That being said, the fact we remain stuck in this pathetic two-party political dungeon tells me something important. It tells me we’re still very early in the populist wave here in the U.S. It tells me that while people are increasingly fed up, they aren’t nearly as fed up as they could be. When people have finally had enough, you’ll know it. We’re steadily building up to that moment, but not there yet. There’s no way to know exactly how this period of time will play out, but I do know what emerges on the other side won’t look like anything like what we have today

So, your post confirms what I stated above, the consensus on the ultraleft is nothing can be done in the meantime. We can't know what will happen so we must sit around and wait for this coming catastrophe which surely will create a magical spark and conjure out of nothing an organised mass movement out of millions of the currently sidelined (but very well-rested, not to mention well-educated) bloggers who will save humanity through superiour internet-derived-knowledge and enlightened attitudes?

Yay....I mean, as you listed above, it's only been 150 years since the abolition movement, 50 years since the Civil Rights Movement, 50 years since the anti-war movement and now we can rest assured something new is coming along...sometime...somehow...somewhere. Our time is finally at hand. A change is gonna come.

Oh wait, the black man is still heavily maimed, murdered, jailed and oppressed, the US professional military have engaged in at least a half dozen "Vietnams" since the anti-war movement....while militarised fascism is ascendant worldwide in all the largest, wealthiest countries right inline with ever increasing global wealth inequality. The .001 are busily organising and indoctrinating the populist masses to respond to this very same coming "magical moment" by laying the barbed wire around our bright utopian future.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 10 2018 11:15 utc | 160

The revolution will be accompanied by nostalgic, advertising-laden 60's classic YouTubes (skip ad in 4 seconds)

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 10 2018 11:51 utc | 161


You posit a false choice: do nothing or participate in the two-party scam. How very establishment of you.

donkey thinks we're stoopid.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2018 12:06 utc | 162

JR, I don't find you to be stupid at all.

On the contrary I find you very, very, very well-educated, in fact extraordinarily well-educated. Why, the amount of time you spend receiving so much knowledge on this website alone is very impressive to me. Very bright fellow indeed.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 10 2018 15:51 utc | 163


Tantalizing, isn't it. I watched the Challenger live feed and saw the forward pylon chattering in the too-dense-for-power-up altitude-density, then the fuuel lines rupture, spark and explode, driving the two perfectly operational solid fuel boosters off on their forked tongue display, no 'leaking o-ring' causing a massive flare and corkscrew, and the impossible odds of a leaking flare bridging 6-feet of 1000-feet per second slip stream and impinging on 3-feet of structural foam at the aft of the fuel tank where there is only the fuel pumps and piping, when the explosion clearly originated was just sad. NASA made a mistake. Wh y couldn't they admit it, instead of destroying Morton-Thiokol? The same White Exceptionalist Supremacy that gave us the fake moon landings, and the reason that nobody has ever gone back to try, and no images of the lander or the rover in subsequent decades and missions exists. Just sad, now we have Fake Science Rampant.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 10 2018 16:58 utc | 164


Thanks for showing us your true self before you go, smartass.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2018 17:27 utc | 165

I watched the Challenger live feed and saw the forward pylon chattering in the too-dense-for-power-up altitude-density, then the fuuel lines rupture, spark and explode, driving the two perfectly operational solid fuel boosters off on their forked tongue display, no 'leaking o-ring' causing a massive flare and corkscrew, and the impossible odds of a leaking flare bridging 6-feet of 1000-feet per second slip stream and impinging on 3-feet of structural foam at the aft of the fuel tank where there is only the fuel pumps and piping, when the explosion clearly originated was just sad.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 10, 2018 12:58:32 PM | 164

So, what happened to the Challenger?

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 10 2018 17:30 utc | 166

Donkeytale, you're either completely ignorant of history or else you're a deliberate fraud. You ought to know perfectly well that the cadres of the coming mass movement don't "sit around". Their task is:

1. To form the movement organization;

2. Build it as a skeleton upon which future masses can become the flesh once the big change comes and masses become ready for radical action;

3. As much as possible propagate the movement idea into the public consciousness so that when the revolutionary situation comes about the movement idea is one of the ideas "laying around" available for the masses to pick up;

4. Seize every opportunity to act as a pressure group;

5. Preserve the organization and be ready to leap into full-scale action when the radicalized time comes.

This commitment to hard, often dangerous work over the course of perhaps decades is, of course, the extreme opposite of "conjur[ing] out of nothing an organised mass movement out of millions".

If internet denizens choose not to do this work, that's not the fault of this history-proven course of action, but simply means there's no human spirit left. The likes of you, who pretend to be some kind of radical but preach nothing but passive adherence to a malevolent status quo, including support for one of the most vicious, evil, destructive political organizations in history, comprise the most extreme manifestation of this terminal decadence.

Of course the reason you yourself would never commit to building a radical movement isn't just laziness; it's that you really don't want any change at all. Dembots are history's worst trolls, online and off.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 10 2018 18:21 utc | 167

SpaceX weird effects during launches.

SpaceX COVER UP - Secret Ancient Technology
This is a full sequence launch and particle trails video, that even displayes the time lapse of the particle scattering during the launch.

SpaceX Falcon 9 Launch- Project Blue Beam - cover-up- or Fortnite Evolution Rifts, October 7, 2018
This is a video showing the showering particles of SpaceX launch at October 7 with a polar aligment trajectory from Vanderberg AFB in Florida. The maker of the video is asking in the title why does it look like special effects from the online video game Fortnite, the particullar effects that depict "jump gates" igniting in the atmosphere.Well both NAVY and Air Force need coders, and probably some companies or individuals would naturaly work for them so they possibly get away with "information" that could use elsewhere publicly by probably disclosing the actual details. Props for a movie for ex. I believe that this behavior might be actually encouridged by US armed forces.

Alien sighting California spaceX launch or UFO coverup?
This is the 8 months old SpaceX mission, with a non polar aligment launch from Vanderberg AFD, which RT made a similar video asking what it is and has it to do with possible UFOs.

HAARP "Area 49" Now Creating Artificial Aurora! FULL DISCLOSURE!
This is an AIRGLOW Experiment. HAARP really belongs to the US Navy.
An informative video of technologies of the US Navy for controlling the weather and by all possibilities OTHER THINGS too.

What the particle showers during (SpaceX) launches are all about?
The second stage (which has landing capability) after being released for its automated descend released the main package of the particles used for the sounding/experiments epxeriments, that Vanderber AFB might have been conductin at the time and masked it under a SpaceX launch, because the time and conditions coinciding with the launch matched the possible experiment's parameters.

Further details:
Probably Vanderberg AFB sits right under the alleged magnetic corridor that spans large portions of the planet with many different countries sharing a part of it through their territory. This natural feature if properly utilised can enable secure instantaneous (quantum) comms, instantaneous travel, etc. It's properties are mostly measured with sounding experiments (rockets) and microwave scanning of the sprayed particles over this aleged medium to discover different properties at different scanning wave lengths. Of course chemical spraying in the atmosphere can be possibly used for same purposes appart than weather control.
In the last video the maker implies it can also be used as a seismic or part of a seismic weapons technology (by analyzing the military shield design of the base that housed the antentaes at the time) .

What is HAARP

High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) was initiated as an ionospheric research program jointly funded by the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Navy, the University of Alaska Fairbanks, and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).[1] It was designed and built by BAE Advanced Technologies (BAEAT). Its original purpose was to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance.[2] As a university-owned facility, HAARP is a high-power, high-frequency transmitter used for study of the ionosphere.

BAE stands for British Aerospace, the military airspace agency that is controlled by the Usury Cabal at City of London, which means the initial plan for the exploit and research must be theirs. But what is it?
Does it have any connection with the invention of the internet?
Was/is initially the internet (world wide web) a way of researching concepts , elements and protocols in an hypothetical medium of wireless transfer of energy, (quantum transfer) anything that could be theoretically be turned to raw energy and data from one end and returned to its initial state at the other end?
Could this medium connect different worlds?
Is there a possibility you could have instantaneous (quantum) data transfer even to other parts of the solar system (Mars) for instance with this kind of technology?
Is there a hidden space programe?

Posted by: Greece | Oct 10 2018 22:16 utc | 168


Tantalizing, isn't it. I watched the Challenger live feed and saw the forward pylon chattering in the too-dense-for-power-up altitude-density, then the fuuel lines rupture, spark and explode, driving the two perfectly operational solid fuel boosters off on their forked tongue display, no 'leaking o-ring' causing a massive flare and corkscrew, and the impossible odds of a leaking flare bridging 6-feet of 1000-feet per second slip stream and impinging on 3-feet of structural foam at the aft of the fuel tank where there is only the fuel pumps and piping, when the explosion clearly originated was just sad. NASA made a mistake. Wh y couldn't they admit it, instead of destroying Morton-Thiokol? The same White Exceptionalist Supremacy that gave us the fake moon landings, and the reason that nobody has ever gone back to try, and no images of the lander or the rover in subsequent decades and missions exists. Just sad, now we have Fake Science Rampant.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 10, 2018 12:58:32 PM | 164

In other words: Bavarians, then came the usurers from City of London that funded the Bavarians and also funded the creation of the US as "The New Atlantis", the same that orchestrated and funded WWI and WWII that are also funding the future WWIII, the same ones that are adhering to "The Plan" as it might be allegedly discussed at at the Bildenburg Club. "The Plan" that involves carrying the human civilisation and primarily its accumulated knowledge in the New Era but without the humans themselves...they want us all dead anyway since it seems we are just a means for them to reach a target, a plan, a deadline.

Moon programme was not fake it is just that reality seems much stranger than fiction. The reality we have been educated in for the last 300 years for a purpose, so we forget who we really were, what this world really is. Only 3% of the initial volumes of scriptures during the Hellenistic era and most of them copied in the famous Library of Alexandria has been recovered. The rest stayed hidden for a purpose.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 10 2018 22:43 utc | 169



I just spent an hour on one of the two Rebel-held radio stations here describing how 'we have to do this and we have to do that', we have to march up the hill and then march down again, we need Guaranteed National Wage and Medicare for All, ...and most of all, we need to impose a $400 a ton carbon tithe-tax on fossil fuels because the power of Scientocracy compels you!

Russ, I marched in both '64 with Civil Rights and '68 in Viet Nam, I faced bayonets and batons and charging horses. So when OWS came out I watched closely, and then in total surprise how quickly it was co-opted. The rich white retired folks who could have marched on Wall Street and shut it down, were sent off to WADC! The young angry Millenials who could have shut down WADC, were sent off to Wall Street!! The Deep State media completely flipped the message, made OWS hated and despised, and did it without lifting a finger.

Better call Bernie!!

So not only will all future organized movements be flipped by Deep State to cancel out, even go against their goals, but they, and the funds they create, will be gene-spliced with Pope Albertus' Carbon Catholic and New Energy Carbon Credits 'Scheme', the most anti-Populist pogrom since the Dark Ages we seem to be revisiting. So you wake up one morning and want to 'fight injustice', but next thing you know, you're marching in Pope Albertus' New Carbon $cheme Army!

Think globally, flash-mob locally. Be a New American Century Wobbly.

Right now Rebel Army radio is telling me, "We really need to remain policeman of the world, for our larger global responsibilities, in order to preserve our freedoms and securities!" WTF?! PNAC 21C(c)!

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 11 2018 0:49 utc | 170

Russ, the guidelines you cite for the formation of a grassroots revolutionary movement is right on;
unfortunately the CIA and the national Endowment for Democracy et al. knows this as well as you do.

That's what protest marches are for... to easily sidle up to anybody and everybody and say "hello,
where are you from? some demonstration! huh?" so the plants can note everyone down in a data base.

If you keep your group secret like the communist party tends to do, its still easy to eventually get
at the leadership and suborn, threaten or mislead. Read: Under Western Eyes by Joseph Conrad.

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 11 2018 2:48 utc | 171

@ 171 Guerrero, thanks for sharing such beautiful writing on México, a bit of irony and comedic relief and I would have mistaken you for the ghost of Eduardo Galeano (R.I.P.).

Do you know anything about México's anti-facist movement and their solidarity with anti-facists forces in Europe and Africa?

México was only 1 of 5 member states of the, now defunct, League of Nations that voted to condemn the invasion and occupation of Ethiopia by Mussolini's facist Italy, perhaps in the face of yesteryears Nikki Halley's.

Ethiopia kept its seat and Emperor Haile Sellassie of Ethiopia made a historic speech, amazingly crafted into a timeless song by the great Bob Marley, War!

Viva México

Posted by: Cactus | Oct 11 2018 3:48 utc | 172


You do know that after nationalizing their oil industry in 1938 Mexico exported almost all their exported oil to Germany, Japan and Italy, and this continued until mid 1940 when the British Atlantic blockade and improved relations with FDR/US ended trade

Posted by: Pft | Oct 11 2018 4:50 utc | 173

Ayotzinapa is a word in Nahuatl language meaning “near the turtles”. Since ancient times, someone gave that name to this small geographic portion at 17 ° 33’13’’N 99 ° 24’37’’O and 1344 meters above sea level and 5 kilometers to the south of the town of Tixtla de Guerrero. Federal Highway 93 is the main access road; this allows communication with Chilapa and Tlapa, populations of the Region of the Mountain, to the east. To the west, about forty minutes by highway, is the state capital city, Chilpancingo.

At the dawn of the nineteenth century, Ayotzinapa was a hacienda, with the same name, owned by Don Sebastián de Viguri.

In 1813, in Chilpancingo, José María Morelos y Pavón proclaimed the historic Feelings of the Nation, which in its twelfth paragraph says that good laws should be such as to moderate opulence and indigence, and to perhaps increase the salaries of the poor, improving their customs, and driving away ignorance, rapine and hurt.

Inspired by this pronouncement, Mr. Viguri, on September 16, 1818, made the donation of this property to peasants of the area, on condition of their pledge to perpetually support the elderly, infirm and disabled with the sale of agricultural products. The old hull of the exhacienda was preserved as a shelter for this philanthropy.

In the context of Mexico’s struggle for independence from the colonial regime, what was important then was not only the development of an effective armed struggle against the royalist army, yet also it was to lay the theoretical, political and ideological bases of the insurrection, so as to advance the construction of an original model of Mexican Republic, conditioned by the romantic ideas of the nineteenth century and by the example of our neighbor to the North, the then model revolutionary nation, the United States of America.

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 11 2018 6:00 utc | 174

@ Guerrero 171

Certainly the art of co-optation on the part of the state and the state's proxies such as the Democrat Party has been refined to a high level.

That's why it's imperative that an aspiring revolutionary movement (which has to be public, since that's necessary for the propagation work) maintain firm discipline as to platform, organizational philosophy, and strategic/tactical philosophy. It's hard to co-opt someone who sticks to his own plan, easy where someone's confused or feckless about it. The reason co-optation is usually so easy is that groups never have a clear idea in the first place about what they really, concretely want to accomplish, or how to go about it. That's why the internet, and especially social media, has been such a poor way of organizing a movement - there's almost no websites dedicated to a clear goal and plan of action.

As for participating in marches and such, that's chosen on a tactical basis, but only where the group maintains cohesion and control of its own PR and action. By contrast, to submerge oneselves under the usual broader, flabby agenda of big march organizers is to atomize your group and invite co-optation. If that were the only option it would be better not to participate. That's one example of what I mean.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 11 2018 8:52 utc | 175

3rd Reich style controversial research in the US is open for bussiness....

Opening A Can Of Worms

Statement from a Senior Manager of BAASS

Updated: May 09, 2018 10:05 AM PDT
LAS VEGAS - BAASS broke new ground in professionalism by hiring, training and deploying 50 full-time staff comprising retired military intelligence and law enforcement officers, PhD level scientists, engineers, technicians, analysts, translators, and project managers to create the largest multi-disciplinary full-time team in history to investigate the UFO topic.

The investigations by BAASS provided new lines of evidence showing that the UFO phenomenon was a lot more than nuts and bolts machines that interacted with military aircraft. The phenomenon also involved a whole panoply of diverse activity that included bizarre creatures, poltergeist activity, invisible entities, orbs of light, animal and human injuries and much more. The exclusive focus on nuts and bolts machines could be considered myopic and unproductive in solving the larger mystery of UFOs.

One of the major successes of BAASS was in adopting the novel approach of utilizing the human body as a readout system for dissecting interactions with the UFO phenomenon. This novel approach aimed to circumvent the increasing evidence of deception and subterfuge by the UFO phenomenon in that multiple eyewitnesses co-located in the same vicinity frequently reported seeing widely different events. The evidence was multiplying that the UFO phenomenon was capable of manipulating and distorting human perception and therefore eyewitness testimony of UFO activity was becoming increasingly untrustworthy.

The BAASS approach was to view the human body as a readout system for UFO effects by utilizing forensic technology, the tools of immunology, cell biology, genomics and neuroanatomy for in depth study of the effects of UFOs on humans. This approach marked a dramatic shift away from the traditional norms of relying on eyewitness testimony as the central evidentiary arm in UFO investigations. The approach aimed to bypass UFO deception and manipulation of human perception by utilizing molecular forensics to decipher the biological consequences of the phenomenon.

The result of applying this new approach was a revolution in delineating the threat level of UFOs.

Link: Opening statement Bigelow Aerospace Investigation Special Unit at LasVegasNow com

Who, what is BAAS, meet "Bigelow Airspace".

Bigelow Aerospace is an American space technology startup company based in North Las Vegas, Nevada, that manufactures and develops expandable space station modules. Bigelow Aerospace was founded by Robert Bigelow in 1998[2] and is funded in large part by the profit Bigelow gained through his ownership of the hotel chain Budget Suites of America. By 2013, Bigelow had invested US$250 million in the company.[3] Bigelow has stated on multiple occasions that he is prepared to fund Bigelow Aerospace with about US$500 million through 2015 in order to achieve launch of full-scale hardware.[2][4]


Nazis/Hitler had a similar research that yeilded results that were later absorbed from the Operation Paperclip to Project Rainbow.

Hitler's research allegedly involved research for "special polymers/geopolymers" (as they are called today) (no idea if this kind of research also made it in to the American Popertion Paperclip or escaped somehwere else) in which they used human tissue/organs from women uterus - babies - adults - women men etc. because THEY BELIEVED it lended the produced block material special magnetic properties since it could allegedly alter the geometry of the magnetic fields on any given polymer block to be assembled in an arranged construction of blocks with specialy arranged magnetic field vectors, so plausibly it could interact with a sort of a magnetic anomalus (quantum) environment on the face of the earth. This was "Hitler's Vimana".

His "space vehicles" were literally people...
Rumors of an actual Reich's space program existance was secretly being considered as the pride of the Bavarians even many decades after the war ended.

Isn't it cool Hitler's research might be back for another... bite at the Human race?

Posted by: Greece | Oct 11 2018 14:12 utc | 176

US Department of Defence actually contracted these people for research projects.

TheDrive com: The Pentagon paid for these reports on warp drive extra dimensions antigravity and more

Posted by: Greece | Oct 11 2018 14:24 utc | 177

" aspiring revolutionary movement (which has to be public, since that's necessary for the propagation work)" Posted by: Russ | Oct 11, 2018 4:52:38 AM | 175
I am, myself, an artist, not a political revolutionary; indeed, I'm not involved with any politics at all,
so please pardon me if I seem a sissy. Based on interviews I've chanced to hear, you may be looking for Joaquin Flores of Fort Russ who identifies himself as an old-fashioned Leftist, with the patience,
understanding, and fortitude for building a revolutionary movement around a committed cadre.

Otherwise, the Ayotzinapa School students and graduates have repeatedly demonstrated an awareness
of themselves as being in the vanguard of an historical revolutionary force with notable heroic antecedents: Vicente Guerrero, Juan N Alvarez, Hermengildo Galeana, Emiliano Zapata, Genero Vasquez, Lucio Cabañas... A set-back in their continuous efforts to intersect with, and change current history took place the night of September 26th, 2014 when forty-three students were disappeared in the streets of Iguala.

You might look up Joaquin Flores of Fort Russ; his analysis seems clean and his
political ideology seems to be truly that of the Old Left. I haven't vetted him or anything,
so its just a suggestion, since he seems to want to do not only talk and commentary.

Ayotzinapa? No, you can't go there. I'm pretty sure there has never been a foreigner in that school.

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 12 2018 0:39 utc | 178

Russ, it is sad that you buy into Jackrabbit's spinning my position instead of actually reading my position.

I'm not saying you need to join the Democratic party or vote democratic. In fact, I agree there is much to be said for voting to vote for the Trumpists to hasten the moment of reckoning.

What I'm saying echoes Lenin. I provided a link. In order to have a moment in which a revolutionary movement can possibly succeed you must first be very patient (as you stated above), be willing to compromise, willingly build united fronts with slighly leftcenter unions and voters. IOW, sublimate your ultimate goals for a time as necessary and, yes, at times for limited purposes work within the mainstream political system even, to further advance your ultimate goal.

Lenin was very critical of the German Communists who first split into factions (much like the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks before them), then prematurely rushed into the streets without cementing enough political alliances and securing massive worker support to protect them. Thought by Lenin to be the key elements to successful international completion of what had begun in Russia, teh German communists were quickly and rather easily dispatched (basically forever as turned out) by the German proto-fascist militias. Luxembourg and Liebknect were tragically pushed ahead by the events too far too fast against their will and better judgment.

Those "Dembots [who] are the worst trolls in history" are the target audience for the movement, not the Dem leadership or even Bernie for that matter. But Bernie has some momentum and a voice as he's "shepherding" millions of people across the country by participating within the party. You may be right he is coopted and they are coopted. But as of today they are as advanced a critical mass as exists in the US.

They aren't coming to you, especially when you deride them as the worst trolls in history. Not saying you allow them to swallow you up, no in fact you must prepare them and yourself to lead them when the time comes. And if you think you will enjoy better success with the proto-fascist Trumpist masses, good luck with all that. Not only do they believe "dembots are the worst trolls in history" they also think you, me, and everyone else who refuses to lockstep behind the grate orange-utan is their mortal enemy for life. They aren't going to ever follow you, except with a gun to dump your carcass into the sewage canal.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 12 2018 2:05 utc | 179

donktale said: "in fact you must prepare them and yourself to lead them when the time comes..."

Yes indeed, and thats what V. Lenin himself believed: a revolutionary has to be committed to taking
power and ready to exercise power; anarchists and hotheads don't concern themselves with governing.

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 12 2018 2:30 utc | 180

Guerrero, correct....anarchists and hotheads are the precursors of fascism.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 12 2018 2:47 utc | 181

@ Donkeytale,

You're living in the distant past and talking about a world that no longer exists. These "left-center" entities you keep invoking are just as indelibly committed to the total destruction of humanity and the Earth as Trump is.

I'll say it again, what I've said several times already: The movement that's necessary has to be built from completely outside the system and against it. It has to have burned all bridges.

And God no, the Dembots aren't the target audience for anyone but those touting the corporate-technocratic status quo. You're very confused when you accuse me of ineffectually speaking to them: I have literally zero to say to them (well, I do insult them sometimes to blow off steam) and want nothing to do with them; they're poison to the core. Otherwise they never could have become Dembots.

Nor is the target audience anyone else already committed to the status quo in any way. The target audience is precisely those who have never committed to anything within the system's fake "activism", precisely because they sense its fakeness and futility. And if this audience turns out not to exist, it only means humanity has lost all will to fight for itself. In that case there's nothing left but to "hope" (I hate that word) the Earth's correction of this berserk infestation comes as soon as possible.

BTW you guys are mistaken if you think I'm a "leftist". I used to be but jettisoned all that, thank God. Your whole political "spectrum" is rotten to the core.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 12 2018 11:27 utc | 182

Russ, fair enough. We agree to disagree. Thanks for your honest opinion and sincerity of your comments.

The physical world has changed and degraded much as a result of overpopulation primarily IMHO and the negative trends are moving faster than anyone imagined even a few years ago but there is still much more connection with the past then perhaps you care to recognise. We are not completely alienated from each other or our ancestors...yet...and I have hope too we can stay somehow connected and grounded through future cataclyms. The purpose of the more evil among us is to make sure we become wholly disconnected from our past and each other. Disunited, disheartened people are ripe for conquest.

I will end by saying I believe social media itself (and of course their accompanying technological platforms) has as much to do with the crushing of the human spirit as anything happening today. Words on the screen, ideas, personas are not the same as the words and actions of people in real life. I believe MoA has grown a greater openness and even compassion among its commenters these days than existed previously and for that I'm happy to be allowed to express my viewpoints no matter how distasteful these may be to most of the regulars.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 12 2018 12:11 utc | 183

donkeytale: We agree to disagree.

No one here is going to agree to disagree with an establishment shill.

Russ was kind in his reply but made it clear that people like YOU are the problem.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2018 14:34 utc | 184

Russ: [To donkey:] You're living in the distant past and talking about a world that no longer exists.

That may be but I think donkey knows EXACTLY what he is doing. He wouldn't be so persistent if he was just a Kool-Aid drinker.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2018 14:38 utc | 185

@ Jackrabbit writing about donkeytale:
He wouldn't be so persistent if he was just a Kool-Aid drinker.

Exactly! They are in it for the silver, humanity be damed

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 12 2018 16:32 utc | 186

I overlooked those pernicious posts of donkeytale that revealed him as a hapless apologist and shill;
would somebody fill me in? As for V.I. Lenin, his famous quote seems relevant to this discussion:

“We are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand. We are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and we have to advance almost constantly under their fire. We have combined, by a freely adopted decision, for the purpose of fighting the enemy, and not of retreating into the neighbouring marsh, the inhabitants of which, from the very outset, have reproached us with having separated ourselves into an exclusive group and with having chosen the path of struggle instead of the path of conciliation. And now some among us begin to cry out: Let us go into the marsh! And when we begin to shame them, they retort: What backward people you are! Are you not ashamed to deny us the liberty to invite you to take a better road! Oh, yes, gentlemen! You are free not only to invite us, but to go yourselves wherever you will, even into the marsh. In fact, we think that the marsh is your proper place, and we are prepared to render you every assistance to get there. Only let go of our hands, don't clutch at us and don't besmirch the grand word freedom, for we too are "free" to go where we please, free to fight not only against the marsh, but also against those who are turning towards the marsh!”

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 12 2018 18:34 utc | 187

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