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October 14, 2018
Settling The Khashoggi Case Is A Difficult Matter

The negotiation over the Khashoggi case will be extremely difficult. The protagonists are headstrong and dangerous people. The issue could easily escalate.

The Ottoman empire ruled over much of the Arab world. The neo-Ottoman wannabe-Sultan Recep Tayyip Erdogan would like to regain that historic position for Turkey. His main competition in this are the al-Sauds. They have much more money and are strategically aligned with Israel and the United States, while Turkey under Erdogan is more or less isolated. The religious-political element of the competition is represented on one side by the Muslim Brotherhood, 'democratic' Islamists to which Erdogan belongs, and the Wahhabi absolutists on the other side.

There are more tactical aspects to this historic conflict. When the Saudis cut ties with Qatar it was Turkey that sent its military to prevent a Saudi invasion of the tiny but extremely rich country. This gave Erdogan the financial backing he urgently needs. In response to that the Saudis offered several $100 millions to prop up the YPK/PKK proxy force the U.S. uses to occupy north-east Syria. These Kurdish groups fight a guerrilla war within Turkey and are a threat to its unity.

The effective Saudi ruler, clown prince Mohammad bin Salman (MbS), made a huge mistake when he ordered the abduction (or murder) of the Saudi journalist Khashoggi in Istanbul. The botched operation gave Erdogan a tool to cut the Saudis to size.

But he needs U.S. support to achieve that. The recent release of the U.S. pastor (and CIA asset) Andrew Brunson is supposed to buy him good will with U.S. President Donald Trump. But Trump build his Middle East policy on his Saudi relations. He can not go berserk on them. Some solution must be found.

Khashoggi was a rather shady guy. A 'journalist' who was also an operator for Saudi and U.S. intelligence services. He was an early recruit of the Muslim Brotherhood:

Khashoggi’s intellectual interests were shaped in his early 20s when he studied in the United States and was also a passionate member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The brotherhood was a secret underground fraternity that wanted to purge the Arab world of the corruption and autocratic rule it saw as a legacy of Western colonialism.

Khashoggi helped in the U.S./Saudi/Pakistani project to destabilize Afghanistan. He met and interviewed Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and Sudan. The man with the RPG in the upper left picture is Jamal Khashoggi himself.


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Khashoggi became a protege of the longtime head of Saudi intelligence, Turki Faisal Al-Saud. He was engaged in several 'projects' in Afghanistan, Sudan and Algeria. Khashoggi followed Turki as 'media advisor' when he became ambassador in London and later in Washington DC.

Jamal Khashoggi supported the Muslim Brotherhood during the 'Arab Spring'. This was in line with the Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama supported regime change program for most of the Middle East. After the fall of President Mubarak in Egypt and the election win by the Brotherhood the Saudi rulers feared to be the next in line. They started to finance counter revolutions in Egypt and elsewhere. Under the reign of King Salman and his son the suppression of all aspects of Brotherhood influence intensified. Having lost his protection Khashoggi decided to leave Saudi Arabia:

Friends helped Khashoggi obtain a visa that allowed him to stay in the United States as a permanent resident.

Fred Hiatt, the neo-conservative editor of the Washington Post, hired him. The Post published his columns against the Saudi rulers in English and Arabic.

Recently Khashoggi started a number of projects that reek of preparations for a CIA controlled color-revolution in Saudi Arabia:

Jamal Khashoggi, a prolific writer and commentator, was working quietly with intellectuals, reformists and Islamists to launch a group called Democracy for the Arab World Now. He wanted to set up a media watch organization to keep track of press freedom.

He also planned to launch an economic-focused website to translate international reports into Arabic to bring sobering realities to a population often hungry for real news, not propaganda.

Part of Khashoggi’s approach was to include political Islamists in what he saw as democracy building.

Khashoggi had incorporated his democracy advocacy group, DAWN, in January in Delaware, said Khaled Saffuri, another friend. .. The project was expected to reach out to journalists and lobby for change, representing both Islamists and liberals, said another friend, Azzam Tamimi, a prominent Palestinian-British activist and TV presenter.

Tamimi said he and Khashoggi had set up a similar pro-democracy project together in 1992 when they first met. It was called Friends of Democracy in Algeria, he said, and followed the botched elections in Algeria, which the government annulled to avert an imminent Islamist victory.

Khashoggi has an enormous number of friends in Washington DC. Mainstream journalists see him as of one of their own. Like them, they feel, he does not deserve such ghastly fate. The neo-liberals as well as the neo-conservatives liked his 'regime change' Arab Spring support and his efforts against Saudi Arabia. Many people in Congress know him personally. They activated procedures under the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act that will lead to sanctions against Saudi figures. Media, banks and well known personalities pulled out of a three-day financial conference in Riyadh dubbed “Davos in the Desert".

Trump is under pressure to 'do something', to punish the Saudis and especially MbS.

But Trumps Middle East policy depends on Saudi Arabia and on Mohammad bin Salman personally. MbS finances the U.S. occupation in Syria. Trump's son in law Jared Kushner build his 'peace plan' for Netanyahoo on Saudi endorsement. The sanctions against Iran can only be sustained if Saudi oil replaces the loss of Iranian output. Trump's 'Make America Great Again' program needs the Saudi demand for U.S. weapons. He also needs the Saudis to avoid utter defeat in Afghanistan. Last but not least Trump will perceive the Kashoogi issue as part of the anti-Trump campaign.

Former CIA director Brennan, an avid anti-Trumper, lobbies to dethrone Mohammad bin Salman over the case:

As someone who worked closely with the Saudis for many years, and who lived and worked as a U.S. official for five years in Saudi Arabia, I am certain that if such an operation occurred inside a Saudi diplomatic mission against a high-profile journalist working for a U.S. newspaper, it would have needed the direct authorization of Saudi Arabia’s top leadership — the crown prince.

I am confident that U.S. intelligence agencies have the capability to determine, with a high degree of certainty, what happened to Khashoggi. If he is found to be dead at the hands of the Saudi government, his demise cannot go unanswered — by the Trump administration, by Congress or by the world community. Ideally, King Salman would take immediate action against those responsible, but if he doesn’t have the will or the ability, the United States would have to act. That would include immediate sanctions on all Saudis involved; a freeze on U.S. military sales to Saudi Arabia; suspension of all routine intelligence cooperation with Saudi security services; and a U.S.-sponsored U.N. Security Council resolution condemning the murder.

The Saudis know what is coming and they are not without defenses. In response to the sanction threats they released a 'f*** you' statement and openly threaten that any sanctions will be responded to with some 30 painful measures:

Riyadh is the capital of its oil, and touching this would affect oil production before any other vital commodity. It would lead to Saudi Arabia's failure to commit to producing 7.5 million barrels. If the price of oil reaching $80 angered President Trump, no one should rule out the price jumping to $100, or $200, or even double that figure.

An oil barrel may be priced in a different currency, Chinese yuan, perhaps, instead of the dollar. And oil is the most important commodity traded by the dollar today.

All of this will throw the Middle East, the entire Muslim world, into the arms of Iran, which will become closer to Riyadh than Washington.

The US will also be deprived of the Saudi market which is considered one of the top 20 economies in the world.

These are simple procedures that are part of over 30 others that Riyadh will implement directly, without flinching an eye if sanctions are imposed on it, according to Saudi sources who are close to the decision-makers.

The truth is that if Washington imposes sanctions on Riyadh, it will stab its own economy to death, even though it thinks that it is stabbing only Riyadh!

The measures would also cause serious damage to Saudi Arabia. After they were published the Saudi stock market dropped sharply.

The U.S. dollar depends on the secret deal arranged in 1974 that recycles Saudi petro-dollars into U.S. treasuries. If the al-Sauds start to touch that corner stone of the relation, the U.S. will have to invade and smash their shitty country to smithereens. Mecca and Medina would be given back to the Hashemites now ruling Jordan, the Gulf coast line, which holds the oil and oil industry and is mostly inhabited by Shia, would become a state of its own. Yemen would regain its two northern provinces. The plans to do this have long been drawn.

Some solution must be found. The easiest one is for King Salman to fire his son and to reinstate Muhammad bin Nayef, who MbS had dethroned, as crown prince. Nayef is the CIA's man. But if Salman is unwilling or unable to do this, an excuse must be found for whatever  happened to Khashoggi.

The Saudis asked Erdogan to accept a "joint investigation" of the Khashoggi case. This was a request to come to some solution over the issue. Rumors speak of an opening offer of $5 billion as compensation. The Saudi King dispatched the respected governor of Makkah province, Prince Khalid_bin_Faisal_Al_Saud, to Ankara to arrange a deal. The EU3, UK, France and Germany, urge both sides to use this mechanism.

The process to close the case, if both sides wish to do so, is pretty clear:

In statements [..] President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has stopped short of directly accusing the Saudis. Turkish officials have said their president has held his fire in part because he hopes that Washington will help push Saudi Arabia to acknowledge what happened to Mr. Khashoggi.

Some of Saudi Arabia’s allies in Washington acknowledge that pressure from the United States could force the kingdom to offer some account of Mr. Khashoggi’s fate — even if it is a modified version that shields the kingdom’s day-to-day ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed, from any responsibility.

Some 'rogue element' of the Saudi state could admit that it killed Khashoggi. MbS would deny any knowledge. But fifteen of his most trusted men, those who were seen in Istanbul, would have to be punished. (How would the rest of his body guard react to that?)

The real problem is that both sides, Erdogan and MbS, are extremely headstrong. For both men the issue is much bigger than the Khashoggi case. The conflict has historic, strategic and very personal dimensions. That makes it difficult to find a deal.

Erdogan knows that he is extremely lucky that MbS committed this stupid act under the nose of his secret service. It gives him a tool to cut the Saudis to size. He will introduce new evidence bit by bit to increase the outrage over the case and the pressure on Saudi Arabia.

MbS on the other side will do his utmost to keep his position. He might even let his father die a sudden death should King Salman decide to fire him. Khashoggi was clearly a danger to the throne. MbS probably feels that he did the right thing and does not deserve any criticism over it. After all, abduction and, if needed, murder of dissidents in foreign countries are a long standing Saudi policy that never caused any serious uproar.

Mohammad bin Salman has one mighty ally that may help him to decrease the noise in Congress and the 'do something' pressure on Trump.

The Zionists already recognize that helping MbS is in their interest:

Khashoggi and the Jewish question

Eran Lerman, the vice president of the Jerusalem Institute for Strategic Studies and a former deputy national security council head, said: “It is certainly not in our interests to see the status of the Saudi government diminished in Washington.

Lerman envisions a scenario where Jewish political organizations in Washington – such as the American Jewish Committee, which he once worked for as head of its Israel office – may actually go to Capitol Hill, as they have done in the past, and discreetly lobby for the Saudis, something that could paradoxically bring the two countries even closer together.

None of the protagonists of this geopolitical drama deserve any pity. Erdogan, Trump and MbS are thugs. Khashoggi was a willing tool in the destruction of many lives. Seeing these people at each others throat is highly entertaining.

But the conflict is also dangerous. It could escalate into something much bigger that could be painful for many people. Unfortunately there seems to be no one who could talk sense to these people and get them to bury the case.

While I earlier thought that the case would be settled rather sooner than later, I now expect the conflict to go on for weeks or months while collateral damage will accumulate around it.

Comments

@93 I think we should all blame’rogue killers’. They are completely irresponsible and you never can be sure what they will get up to. 15 of them gained access to the Saudi Embassy in Istanbul recently and beat the shit out of Khashoggi. Fear not, they will be hounded down and brought to justice.
The sooner the investigation is completed the better so we can all forget the whole unfortunate incident and get on with the arms trade.

Posted by: dh | Oct 15 2018 21:42 utc | 101

It looks like some underling will be thrown under the bus and the media will be instructed to move on. What was Kashoggi doing that caused the Clown Prince to have him killed in such a manner?

Posted by: ab initio | Oct 15 2018 21:45 utc | 102

Fascinating comments on top of b’s article, really a lot of food for thought. Still I’m already put off by this whole affair. Are we forced to play Cluedo yet again, like with MH17, Skripal etc.? Where do we even begin to consider something – anything – as a given in this incredible case? I don’t think it’s healthy, healthy as in mental health.
But my feelings aside, I’m wondering about a certain technical aspect. Namely, how do you videotape a room in secret and for an extended period of time? A foreign embassy, where you don’t have much free access, let alone situational control? I believe it’s easy enough to just listen in on what goes on in a room. Plant and hide a mic, and four more to spare. Endless possibilities for hiding a mic. But in order to watch something, you have to have vision (good vision). If you have vision, you will yourself be visible to some degree – and there goes the secrecy you’d need to permanently watch. So I just don’t think it’s feasible for the Turks to have produced a video of the supposed murder of Khashoggi by themselves and with hidden equipment. Either there is no video at all, or they got it from among the embassy staff. Saudi staff, to be precise, since we’re told Turkish employees were on leave that day. Turkish HUMINT? Some loyal and law-abiding Saudi clerk with access to their own recording, but who’s not OK with turning an embassy into a messy murder site? One of the plotters and leaking the proof was vital to the plot itself?
Where’s bloody Bellingcat when you really need them? 😉

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 15 2018 21:45 utc | 103

Piotr Berman @89:

Saudi had 13 days to scrub and polish … invite London cops, they will surely find something.

LOL!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 15 2018 21:52 utc | 104

The recalibration of Syria has begun. BBC currently running a long complicated but entirely evidence free beat up that ‘Assad’ butchered the people of Syria with at least 102 instances of chemical attack. The proof is that the attacks were air borne and the rebels have no air support. In other words more nonsense but played correctly it will obscure Kashoggi investigation in western media while advancing Erdogan’s demands.
Here is the piece on the BBC site, but the TV piece which is running at the top of overseas news is rather more didactic.

Posted by: my_team_is the_best | Oct 15 2018 22:06 utc | 105

Did someone ask where’s bellingcat when you need them ha ha love the dry houmour it’s laugh or cry. here’s bellingcat and there backers ! Explains a lot as to the credibility regarding Russian Skripal hit men fake news —- https://mobile.twitter.com/ElveTwelve/status/1050403238720262144

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2018 22:12 utc | 106

John @ 99
I fully agree with you; I have long thought that the so-called “three dimensions” are simply mental constructs enabling humans to describe locations to each other, and that they have no basis in reality. I can take a “three-dimensional” house plan, for example, and draw an infinite number of other dimensions within it. Knock your cereal box over on the table, and watch those three dimensions instantly transform themselves. They interchange easily, as they have no physical reality.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 15 2018 22:18 utc | 107

Sanctions over Khashoggi presumed death can target assets of those Saudis (now rogue killers) opposed to MBS. Win for MBS and the US Treasury
Khashoggi spoke out against the Israeli lobby and in support for Palestinians. His supposed demise is a win for Israel
US got Brunson back. Whats Turkey getting? Everyone needs to get something in this game.

Posted by: Pft | Oct 15 2018 22:30 utc | 108

Sharmine Narwani on CNN’s scoop that the report is subject to change! Her humor is better than my attempt @100. Unaddressed is the whereabouts of his body which must be produced for a proper Islamic burial.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 15 2018 22:31 utc | 109

karloft,
Isn’t it a sign of weakness to apologize? I suspect he was backed that far into the corner, but he just got stuck to the flytape on this. If he just stuck it out, he might have survived, but I suspect he will be gone by 19.

Posted by: John Merryman | Oct 15 2018 22:47 utc | 110

Antispin,
Agreed. Three dimensions are the xyz coordinates and multiple such systems can define the same space, just ask the Israelis and the Palestinians. Each backed their own narrative/time dimension. It was Edgar Allan Poe who is credited with first proposing space and time as one. We could use ideal gas laws to correlate temperature, pressure and volume, but temperature and pressure are only foundational to our emotions, bodies and environment, not our sequential thought process, so we can, presumably, be more objective about them, than time.

Posted by: John Merryman | Oct 15 2018 22:55 utc | 111

If the Saudi’s pull the plug on oil production in an attempt to drive the price to $200 a barrel then the USA has a simple counter: kissies and makeup with Tehran and buy every barrel of oil that the Iranians can pump out of the ground.
Oh, yeah, and invade Saudi Arabia with extreme prejudice.
The Iranians would have no qualms about it: We don’t much like you, but business is business and we’ll sell our oil to anyone willing to pay for it. Unlike those Saudis, who are simply not sane. Don’t know what you ever saw in them, Donald.
It’s a simple sales pitch: We’re reliable even if we aren’t particularly likable, so buy from us. You won’t be disappointed.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 15 2018 23:06 utc | 112

@103 One possibility, I suppose, is that the Saudis themselves have installed security video cameras everywhere (seems a reasonable proposition to me) and the Turks have found a way to hack into the video server that holds all the footage.
They wouldn’t need to secret their own cameras then, because the Saudis have done that for them.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 15 2018 23:10 utc | 113

Antispin,
Exactly. Like Israel and Palestine used different coordinates to define the same space.

Posted by: John Merryman | Oct 15 2018 23:24 utc | 114

Yeah right @112
I doubt very much that internal embassy security cameras would be hooked up to the internet. But who knows.
Still waiting for any video or audio to be released. Just need a snippet here and there – but nada. Have to question the existence although I suppose if Saudi Arabia confesses a killing occurred they probably have something. Or maybe saying he is dead and buried prevents them from being pressured to release a live Khasoggi being held in the MBS palace basement

Posted by: Pft | Oct 15 2018 23:51 utc | 115

@ John Merryman and Antispin
Yes, math is a limited human construct like language. And yes, science of fact is constrained but has brought humanity quite a lot of “progress” that you are not going to get from faith.
And yet we continue to be ruled by faith instead of reason and logic. Why is that? I think it is ongoing brainwashing/lack of education and makes us look stupid as a species.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 16 2018 0:16 utc | 116

1 or 2 ‘rouge’ elements will be identified and allegedly head-chopped while hooded etc.
Meanwhile families of a couple of criminals in the Saudi prison system (e.g., say females that dared to drive a car or something) will disappear and said families will be paid large amounts of ‘blood money’ to STFU.
Shortly there after said rouge elements, with a touch of cosmetic surgery, will be living in a 7-Star Compound “X” along with old Osama bin (here all the time) Laden and friends (& wives).
Now let’s get back to watching the squirrels!

Posted by: imo | Oct 16 2018 0:36 utc | 117

psycho,
I would argue we are ruled by passion.The fire in the belly. The question is what form it happens to take. For the most committed theists, or atheists, it is a matter of passion. When people are not propelled by some commitment, they sense a hollowness and will either strike out at others, or strike themselves. The problem with reason is that perception and thinking are first about making distinctions. Then when we start to make connections, we have that Ah Ha! moment and the endorphins race through our brains, like a spark of fire. I think when people really start to recognize that field and network in which we are all embedded and not just see the quanta and nodes, reason will have come full circle. It will put together what it tries to pull apart. The price we pay to feel is that much of it will be pain. No mountains without valleys.

Posted by: John Merryman | Oct 16 2018 0:44 utc | 118

In terms of strategy, it would seem throwing your security force under the bus is a big no no. At the very least, losing the queen, if not checkmate.

Posted by: John Merryman | Oct 16 2018 0:48 utc | 119

Piotr Berman @ 89:
Hey, looks like the Saudis read MoA too and just saw your comment.
Jake Johnson, “‘You Couldn’t Make This Up’: A Bunch of Mops, Cleaners, and Trash Bags Delivered to Saudi Consulate Ahead of Khashoggi Murder Probe”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/15/you-couldnt-make-bunch-mops-cleaners-and-trash-bags-delivered-saudi-consulate-ahead
As a Turkish reporter says: Cuz the way to preserve the integrity of a possible crime scene and bolster confidence in the investigation is to bring in a bunch of cleaners through the front door before the detectives arrive.
Maybe only after the consulate has been scrubbed a few times, investigators (perhaps with the offer of assistance of the London Met) will discover that Novichok had been left on the walls of the underground cell where Jamal Kashoggi had been thrown into after his interrogation and whatever else was done to him.
A way will then be found to somehow blame JK’s death or disappearance on Russia or Syria and then it’s GAME ON! … the West finds an excuse to invade Syria and overthrow Bashar al Assad.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 16 2018 2:41 utc | 120

In reading I came across this tidbit on ChinaNet

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud spoke on the phone about the issue on Sunday evening.

I wonder if this was the tipping point from denial to oops, with our pants down

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 16 2018 3:24 utc | 121

Someone please put an end to this tragedy:
FAMINE

Posted by: Circe | Oct 16 2018 5:31 utc | 122

Your first impression was accurate, apparently.

Posted by: Observer | Oct 16 2018 6:40 utc | 123

I ve spoken with two Saudis in the latest days, one man and one woman (unrelated to each other), both students. They looked panicked. With one I mentioned the Khashoggi case and from the reaction I felt that at the moment, any wealthy Saudi family in the MbS-kingdom (such as those who have enough money to send someone study abroad) knows that their and their relatives life are in danger, just for what the person may know, not even about what they do. That’s the way it goes in the Kingdom.
And the boss of the mob under his umbrella covers the very possibility a man walks in a consulate of his country and get… interrogated by a special team?? For once, I hope the Dems will pay Erdo a bigger check than the bloody house of Saud.

Posted by: Mina | Oct 16 2018 6:59 utc | 124

As’ad AbuKhalil has been interviewed by TRNN and gives some complementary insights which basically coincide with was has been written here at MoA. For him, Khashoggi has been merely a duplicitous journalism, flip-flopping between loyalty to the Saudi propagadanda apparatus when he wrote in arabic and moderate criticism when writing articles in english, who fell in disfavor when he started to support the ‘wrong side of the Saudi house’.
https://therealnews.com/stories/duplicitous-khashoggi-picked-the-wrong-prince

Posted by: vato | Oct 16 2018 9:05 utc | 125

The WaPo journalists can at least look forward to the upside of this affair, namely, that the $Billions of under the counter bribes and the multi-$Billions in over the counter “arms deals” that the Saudis will need to pay will effectively set the exchange-rate for WaPo journalists lives.
As in: it will be so expensive to kill a WaPo journalist that only a very few countries will be able to afford it. The Saudis, certainly, maybe Qatar, possibly China. Oh, and Israel, of course, that goes without saying. But very few others, which will be a great comfort to the remaining staff of the Post.
Heck, it’ll cost so much to off another one that even Bezos won’t be able to afford it. A great comfort indeed….

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 16 2018 10:20 utc | 126

Something happening right under Erdogans nose like this could be a message relative to the situation in Idlib. The pastor was also released in short order.
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I think MBS has accepted that Russia is a powerful new power broker and has agreed to try and stem Wahhabist terrorism.
I also think Trump is not opposed to this and that it fits with his battle against the deep state.
Posted by: financial matters | Nov 21, 2017 9:47:11 AM | 63

Posted by: financial matters | Oct 16 2018 10:26 utc | 127

I suppose the only remaining mystery is this: how senile must the Saudi king be that he can’t comprehend how irredeemably toxic MbS is, and that it is imperative that this clown be removed from the line of succession?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 16 2018 11:42 utc | 128

@106
The BBC piece does credit to Goebbels! It’s fucking outrageous! Not a SINGLE piece of evidence in the longest thing propaganda central has written on the subject and has all the hallmarks of being authored by UK intelligence services. After all it’s the UK Foreign Ofice that bankrolled the White Helmets to the tune of £150,000 and then gave them a home when the game was exposed.

British government official agencies are the patrons, managers and funders of the White Helmets, who have been the go-to source for the mainstream Western media reporting on the ongoing Syrian war. For good measure, the U.S. State Department’s Agency for International Development (USAID) has kicked in $23 million to finance Mayday Rescue, the cutout between the White Helmets and the British Ministry of Defense, the Home Office, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and 10 Downing Street. This is all a matter of public record, yet no Western major media outlet has bothered to include these “data points” in their lavish coverage of the White Helmets. Sic Semper Tyrannis
I despair!

Posted by: William Bowles | Oct 16 2018 15:23 utc | 129