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October 06, 2018

Scientists Raise Alarm Over U.S. Bio-Weapon Programs

Recent evidence about deadly tests of biological substances in Tbilisi, Georgia raised alarm about U.S. biological weapon research in foreign countries. European scientist are extremely concerned about a dubious research program, financed by the Pentagon, that seems designed to spread diseases to crops, animals and people abroad. The creation of such weapons and of special ways to distribute them is prohibited under national and international law.

The U.S. is running biological weapon research across the globe:

Bio warfare scientists using diplomatic cover test man-made viruses at Pentagon bio laboratories in 25 countries across the world. These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.

Until the mid nineteen-seventies the U.S. military tested biological warfare weapons on U.S. people, sometimes over large areas and on specific races. After a Congress investigation revealed the wide ranging program such testing was moved abroad.

Private companies use U.S. government controlled laboratories in foreign countries for secret biological research under contract of the U.S. military, the CIA and the Department of Homeland Security. Last month the Bulgarian journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhieva reported of one of these U.S. controlled bio-laboratories:

The US Embassy to Tbilisi transports frozen human blood and pathogens as diplomatic cargo for a secret US military program. Internal documents, implicating US diplomats in the transportation of and experimenting on pathogens under diplomatic cover were leaked to me by Georgian insiders. According to these documents, Pentagon scientists have been deployed to the Republic of Georgia and have been given diplomatic immunity to research deadly diseases and biting insects at the Lugar Center – the Pentagon biolaboratory in Georgia’s capital Tbilisi.

Al Mayadeen TV broadcasted a video reportage about the laboratory and its deadly effects on Georgian 'patients'.

Last week the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Russian Foreign Ministry accused the U.S. of illegal biological weapon research in the Tbilisi laboratory:

The question of what really might have taken place at the secretive US-sponsored research facility hosted by Russia’s southern neighbor was raised by the Russian military on Thursday after they studied files published online by a former Georgian minister.

The documents record the deaths of 73 people over a short period of time, indicating a test of “a highly toxic chemical or biological agents with high lethality rate,” said Igor Kirillov, commander of the Russian military branch responsible for defending troops from radiological, chemical and biological weapons.

The U.S. rejects the claims but it does not explain the documents, what kind of research is done near Tbilisi, and the unusual secrecy and security around the laboratory.

It is not only the Russians and Georgians who are concerned about secret U.S. biological warfare research. German and French scientists recently raised alarm over another dubious Pentagon research project.


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In October 2016 the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) announced a new project called Insect Allies:

A new DARPA program is poised to provide an alternative to traditional agricultural threat response, using targeted gene therapy to protect mature plants within a single growing season. DARPA proposes to leverage a natural and very efficient two-step delivery system to transfer modified genes to plants: insect vectors and the plant viruses they transmit. In the process, DARPA aims to transform certain insect pests into “Insect Allies,” the name of the new effort.

The scenario DARPA describes is quite complicate. If a crop, for example maize, were widely infected with some illness, a virus would be manipulated and applied to the crop. The itself genetically modified virus would genetically modify the crop to 'cure' the illness. Infected insects would be used to distribute the viruses across the fields.

The program is run by the Biological Technologies Office (BTO) of DARPA. It does not come cheap. At least $27 million have been committed to it. If the discussed program were for purely agricultural purposes why would the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which is part of the Pentagon, propose and finance such research?

Scientist from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Biology in Plön, Germany, and the Institut des Sciences de l’Evolution de Montpellier, France, along with legal scholars from the University of Freiburg point out that the method DARPA wants to apply makes little sense for the stated agricultural purposes.

The eminent U.S. magazine Science published their work. The scientists ask if the project is Agricultural research, or a new bioweapon system?

[A]n ongoing research program funded by the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) aims to disperse infectious genetically modified viruses that have been engineered to edit crop chromosomes directly in fields.
...
In the context of the stated aims of the DARPA program, it is our opinion that the knowledge to be gained from this program appears very limited in its capacity to enhance U.S. agriculture or respond to national emergencies (in either the short or long term). Furthermore, there has been an absence of adequate discussion regarding the major practical and regulatory impediments toward realizing the projected agricultural benefits. As a result, the program may be widely perceived as an effort to develop biological agents for hostile purposes and their means of delivery, which—if true—would constitute a breach of the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC).

It its response to the Science paper DARPA again insists that the program is for purely agricultural purpose. But the response does not answer the questions the scientists put up.

The mechanism of spreading infectious genetically modified viruses to genetically modify and 'heal' plants in the fields is itself full of problems and dangers. To use insects for distributing such viruses borders on insane.

If one has access to the targeted crop fields and if one has a genetically modified virus to influence the plants why would one use insects to distribute it? Why not use the well known targeted process of spraying the affected fields, just like it is widely done today? Only when one does not have access to the fields, when these are situated in a foreign country the U.S. has no access to, does it make sense to use insects for such purposes.

The idea that the real (and illegal) purpose of such U.S. research is biological warfare is not far fetched at all.

During the Korea War the U.S. dropped infected insects and rodents over north Korea and China to infect people with deadly diseases. Various pathogens, including anthrax, were used against the civilian population. During the Vietnam war the U.S. sprayed thousand of square miles with poisonous defoliants. It tested biological weapons on the people of Hawaii, Alaska, Maryland, Florida, Canada and Britain. In 2002 weaponized anthrax spores from the U.S. biological warfare laboratory in Fort Derrick were used to scare U.S. politicians into agreeing to the Patriot Act. At least five people were killed. And why is the U.S. Air Force looking for synovial tissue and RNA samples collected specifically from Caucasian people in Russia?

Biological warfare programs are extremely dangerous. Not only to 'the enemy' but to ones own population. Infectious diseases and pathogens can spread around the globe within a few days. Genetic modifications can have unpredictable secondary effects. Viruses can jump over the species barrier. These are the sound reasons why such weapons, and research into using them, are prohibited.

The U.S. government should follow the law and stop all such programs. Even if only in the self interest of protecting its very own people.

Posted by b on October 6, 2018 at 10:02 AM | Permalink

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A picture speaks a thoudsand words. There are 49 bio-weapons research labs in 6 countries in close proximity to Russia.

https://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2018/10/1538709227_349754.jpg

The UK Porton Down labs are also involved in this process. They have conducted experiments on the general public travelling on the London Underground. More recently, they have received a nice £47 million funding boost for all their good work on the Skripal case.

"Biological warfare programs are extremely dangerous. Not only to 'the enemy' but to ones own population."

This may explain the US BW research program interest in genetic material of RUssians. They may hope to produce some kind of narrowly targetted (in theory) pathogen. Given the ethnic diversity of the Russian Federation, Russian-ness is largely cultural rather than genetic. Genetic effects would only likely to succeed in populations with a narrow genetic spread.

Posted by: Yonatan | Oct 6, 2018 10:22:53 AM | 1

the programme you are attacking is designed to prevent and create early warning system for nonproliferation of potentially hazardous biological agents that were well known to be manufactured by Soviet union (Sverdlovsk-19a incident April 2 1979 etc.) and might be still residing in abandoned military stashes. Lugar Lab is early warning beacon alerting potentially threatening strains in Former Soviet Union southern area.
attack it, shut it down and untie Russia's hands on performing biological agent tests on proxy states. well done !!!

Posted by: maryam | Oct 6, 2018 10:55:56 AM | 2

The sickness of these people knows no limits. The Nazis and the wartime Japanises were teddy bears by comparison.

Posted by: BM | Oct 6, 2018 11:00:10 AM | 3

@ b who ended with:
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The U.S. government should follow the law and stop all such programs. Even if only in the self interest of protecting its very own people.
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Your assumption is that the US government has the best interests of its citizens in mind. We know the US government is under the control of the global elite and yes, they do not have the best interests of global humanity at heart.

Western humans are being controlled by a parasite class that has historically operated in this manner. It is only with the advent of the intertubes that information is shared widely enough for these patterns of control to become clear. The mindset behind this control seems to be monotheism with the center held by private finance. Monotheism was perverted enough in in 1054 to insure that nowhere in Europe is the Crab Nebula supernova that was visible for 23 days and nights in the sky documented. This is a perverted mindset that denies reality so thoroughly, eh?

The spawn of the monotheistic elite continue to act as though they really are better than the rest of humanity and deserve to rule over everyone. They are having their position challenged and seem to have no moral center other than to themselves.

My only positive point to this situation is that it clearly brings out the entitled from under their rocks to push their bias. IF Western society cannot stand up and say that we don't want to live like this, then I suspect our extinction is closer than many think

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 6, 2018 11:02:29 AM | 4

B: ... To use insects for distributing such viruses borders on insane.

If one has access to the targeted crop fields and if one has a genetically modified virus to influence the plants why would one use insects to distribute it? Why not use the well known targeted process of spraying the affected fields, just like it is widely done today? Only when one does not have access to the fields, when these are situated in a foreign country the U.S. has no access to, does it make sense to use insects for such purposes.

It does NOT border on insanity, B, there is nothing remotely borderline about it. It is insane, full stop. (Borderline insanity means it is on the border, could be on either side).

Why not spray the fields? The compellingly obvious - and necessarily intended - feature of the insects is their ability to spread out of control.

Posted by: BM | Oct 6, 2018 11:17:33 AM | 5

Maybe this is one of the clues to the complex and so multifaceted Skripal saga - the British know the Russians had leads and would bring out this news, and were desperately trying to destroy their credibility in advance.

Posted by: BM | Oct 6, 2018 11:27:04 AM | 6

B/Psychohistorian

"The U.S. government should follow the law and stop all such programs. Even if only in the self interest of protecting its very own people."

Your assumption is that the US government has the best interests of its citizens in mind. We know the US government is under the control of the global elite and yes, they do not have the best interests of global humanity at heart.

Further than that - the elite expressly desire to reduce the global population - including the US population - to a tiny fraction of what it is at present.

As for the "law", well we see what is happening these days: Russiagate-FBI-DoJ criminality, US using terrorism as foreign policy, rapidly multiplying false flags, using sanctions to ban legtimate trade of competitors, Bolton's threats to ICC, threats to blockade Russia, ficticious sovereignty claims such as right to inspect Russian/Chinese ports and right to build bases in Syria ...

"LAW" is rapidly evaporating away - very soon it will not exist at all, in the West.
That appears to be a specific intention, and ties in with the mindless skripal fantasy/Syria chemical weapons fantasy/virtual reality/"we create our own reality" bullshit.

[B: My appologies for the string of short posts, it was not intentional as such!]

Posted by: BM | Oct 6, 2018 11:46:36 AM | 7

The latest rash of hacking accusations against Russia appears timed to distract the public from this highly disturbing information.
One way or another, the old white men who are the self appointed ruling elite week appear determined to turn the planet into a monstrous, king sized Jonestown.

Posted by: CD Waller | Oct 6, 2018 12:02:40 PM | 8

If you ask me, allowing our Ministry of War to be housed in a building that's shaped like a Satanic pentagram might not be the best idea.

Posted by: SlapHappy | Oct 6, 2018 12:11:34 PM | 9

Thanks b, for broaching this subject. Here is a video on this subject, posted by, I believe
Mark2, earlier last week.

http://dilyana.bg/diplomatic-viruses/

If this doesn't convince anyone of the depravity of empire, nothing will.

These are so truly sick MFers

Posted by: ben | Oct 6, 2018 12:51:07 PM | 10

PS- High five and a shout out to Anya,a poster here, for the contributions made for the same subject.

Hope my memory is correct, if not, apologies...

Posted by: ben | Oct 6, 2018 12:56:17 PM | 11

Psycho,
Which gets to the logical flaw in monotheism. A spiritual absolute would be the essence of sentience from which life rises, not an ideal of wisdom and judgement from which humanity fell. More the new born babe, than the wise old man. It is just that for social control, it makes more sense to idolize wisdom over passion.
The deeper issue is that Western culture is ideals based, rather balance based, like Eastern culture. The basis of civilization is story telling and the most memorable and repeated stories are those with a focus, moral lesson and compelling narrative. So it becomes assumed there must be some goal, destination, or ideal state to which we strive, even if it's just the bottom line. Rather than to be in balance with nature and the community, absorbing and radiating the energy of the present.
Which also goes to the nature of time. As we have this narrative thought process, being mobile organisms, processing our motion, we think of time as a vector from past to future, but the reality is change turning future to past. Potential>actual>residual. There is only this state of dynamic energy and thermodynamics is a more elemental aspect of it than time. Expansion/consolidation.

Posted by: John Merryman. | Oct 6, 2018 12:58:12 PM | 12

Thank you ‘b’ this subject is guaranteed to give us all nightmares on its own, but added in to the rest of the bigger equation ! We run out of strong enough words to do it justice ! It’s to much for one to bare. We need to share this burden or we will go under.
This kind of depravity has always been there in mankind—- napalm,agent orange, white phosphorus the human imagination is vast ! But now they have the power, technology, resources opatunity and motivation, that is new !
We here at present can spread this story as much as we possibly can ! Far and wide.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 6, 2018 1:02:02 PM | 13

Further to @3 psychohistorian & @6 BM, I'd like to share the words of ur-capitalism's great prophet, the Marquis de Sade, who had a profound understanding of the mindset of those who seek to make such monstrous ideas a reality.

For those unacquainted with the actual writings of Sade I highly recommend a reading of his novel Juliette, which is replete with long discussions of these deep statists (which he called libertines) about such theory and practice. Eg:

“…The more numerous the people become, the greater the danger they pose; the awakening of minds, the spreading of a critical spirit, these are grave developments; only the ignorant remain placid under the yoke… France requires a severe purging, the lowliest is the first sector to attack. We intend hence to have unsparingly at mendicants, that’s the class that breeds nine out of ten of our agitators; we are razing charitable institutions, the poorhouses, being determined not to leave the masses one single refuge where insolence can ripen… we are prepared to use the widest variety of radical means.”

“It will be a while before those take effect,” Clairwill pointed out. “If it’s a sudden diminishment you need, then you had better resort to prompter ones: war, famine, epidemics…”

“Ah, war,” said Saint-Frond, “we’ll not neglect war, that’s scheduled. As for an epidemic, it is to be avoided since we ourselves might be its first victims. Regarding a famine, the total monopolization of corn we are working toward, as well as being profitable to us, will shortly reduce the people to veritable cannibalism. We are counting heavily upon this measure. The Council of Ministers approved it unanimously today. Speedy, infallible, prodigiously lucrative.

“Won over by the principles Machiavelli set so clearly forth,” the Minister continued, “I have for a long time had the profound conviction that individuals can be of no account to the politician; as machines, men must labor for the prosperity of the government they are subordinated to, never should the government be concerned for the welfare of the public…” [pp 478-479, Juliette]

Sade understood the mentality well, and this was back in 1797.

The psychopaths in power are monomaniacal, and nothing will deter them from pursuing their goals. They are incapable of empathy and impervious to reason because they are driven by a truly insatiable lust. Sadly for our species most of us prefer the comfort of feeling a sense of belonging to our clan that trumps our ability to reason and follow the courage of our heart to do what is morally right: if people refused to obey the immoral orders of their psychopathic leaders peace would be far easier to come by.

As actor-network theorist John Law says: “No one, no thing, no class, no gender, can ‘have power’ unless a set of relations is constituted and held in place: a set of relations that distinguishes between this and that (distribution), and then goes on to regulate the relations between this and that.” The question for those of us who seek a better world is how to break into those sets of relations that maintain the power of the psychopaths to create new sets of relations.

PS And even further... those unacquainted with economist Susan George’s Lugano Report might want to check it out, since it reads like it could be an actual deep state white paper on the theory and practice of global population culling.

Posted by: Lohmann | Oct 6, 2018 1:13:14 PM | 14

The D in DARPA stands for defense == military. They are not doing research to improve our food or make our lives better.

The US has breached multiple international conventions it signed on biological, chemical, nuclear, and other nightmare weapons. And why not? It's 'indispensable and exceptional' like another people that thought they were 'uber alles'.

These horrific weapons will be used if not authorized by officials then likely by agents that go rogue according to their 'god-given' supremacist right to fight 'evil'.

The opportunities for use are increasing the probable use of some of theses weapons. There are just too many demented with access that believe the war mongering fake news. The war mongering button pushers are incapable of realizing what they are marching us into.

Posted by: AriusArmenian | Oct 6, 2018 1:32:30 PM | 15

A picture speaks a thoudsand words. There are 49 bio-weapons research labs in 6 countries in close proximity to Russia.
https://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2018/10/1538709227_349754.jpg
Posted by: Yonatan | Oct 6, 2018 10:22:53 AM | 1

Is there a bigger version? Some of the text is too small to read. I assume "Grusiya" is the Russian name for Georgia? (Since Georgia has to be in the list - but I couldn't find either Tbilisi or Lugar in the text below).

"LAW" is rapidly evaporating away - very soon it will not exist at all, in the West.
Posted by: BM | Oct 6, 2018 11:46:36 AM | 6

With all the implausible scenarios in the fake news, I suspect a key aspect might be designed to induce amongst the masses a sense of hopelessness, powerlessness, inevitability, and thereby apathy, indifference, suppressed critical thinking, and docility (like the fluoride used by the Nazis in the concentration camps).

As far as a critical minority is concerned such as MoA readers etc, that would have been a dismal failure - but maybe that doesn't matter to the elites, MoA readers can easily be rounded up and sent to the gulags as soon as the decision is taken to close the door - what matters most is the effect on the masses. That is where it becomes difficult to gauge where we stand right now - how much do the masses believe? how many are sceptical? Maybe that is the purpose of the latest Netherlands fantasy on the previous thread.

Posted by: BM | Oct 6, 2018 1:38:50 PM | 16

This makes why horrific mass-killing diseases like HIV/Aids and Ebola erupt on the continent of Africa including the occurrence of the Bubonic Plague in Madagascar last year, terribly suspect.

Posted by: Summer Diaz | Oct 6, 2018 1:44:08 PM | 17

These horrific weapons will be used if not authorized by officials then likely by agents that go rogue according to their 'god-given' supremacist right to fight 'evil'.
Posted by: AriusArmenian | Oct 6, 2018 1:32:30 PM | 13

One of the frightening aspects is that even if - somehow and sometime - these biological warfare centres were brought under control it seems virtually certain that several crazed individuals in different parts of the world would each pack a bundle of genocidal biological agents into a briefcase and go into hiding, and then blackmail the whole planet. How could they be stopped?

Posted by: BM | Oct 6, 2018 1:51:43 PM | 18

Ghastly.

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 6, 2018 2:01:34 PM | 19

These evil realities of biological warfare have been smoldering for decades under blankets of secrecy. Let's hope lots of light can now be shined into these dark places, before it is too late for all of us.

Posted by: mike k | Oct 6, 2018 2:28:21 PM | 20

Here's the Associated Press downplaying the disturbing features of the story:

https://apnews.com/8ed74d87df524ab580d7fbd3b845d0c6/Scientists:-US-military-program-could-be-seen-as-bioweapon

Posted by: jayc | Oct 6, 2018 2:31:44 PM | 21

And one, truly telling aspect of this"research". It's being done on Russia's front porch..

Russia should announce this crap to the world..

Posted by: ben | Oct 6, 2018 2:45:25 PM | 22

thanks b.. it is indeed very disturbing and another example of the us military been given a green light to continue on in it's tradition as you highlight regarding korea.. most people remain ignorant of all this..

the article by Dilyana Gaytandzhieva is truly disturbing.. if one reads the full article, they get a scary picture of the deceitfulness behind the lugar centre and the agreement between the usa and georgia to allow these actions to continue.. of note is the pharmaceutical company gilead and it's biggest shareholder - donald rumsfield - and what they are doing here.. it is all very disturbing..

what about the scientists working for darpa? i suppose they find scientists who are just doing a job and not asking questions, or who are really into this sort of disturbing thing while not having the guts or character to answer any questions.. this joshua bast mentioned in dilyana's article is a case in point.. here is another example of his work from 2015 and further back.. https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/2008535079_Joshua_Bast

Posted by: james | Oct 6, 2018 2:46:45 PM | 23

Tailored for Disinformation Heavy Users: Conspiracy Theories on Biological Weapons
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/tailored-for-disinformation-heavy-users-conspiracy-theories-on-biological-weapons/

Posted by: ALAN | Oct 6, 2018 2:54:59 PM | 24

do yourself a favour and skip links shared without a relevant comment.. you never know where the link will bring you!

Posted by: james | Oct 6, 2018 2:57:23 PM | 25

One of the plots from the CIA written show about long-term Russian moles in the US, "The Americans", has these undercover Russians, on assignment from the Kremlin(it's an 80s period show), finding a US lab which appears to be engineering some sort of killer locust to devastate crops in Russia and cause a massive countrywide famine. So, like the evil commies they are, the spies murder the lab's scientist, except the one in charge who the lady spy had been bedding to get "inside".

On one of their dates, after these lab techs had been killed, this lead scientist, in a fog of infatuation, confesses to the lady spy(who he does not know is a spy) what the program is really about - it's to HELP crops! All over the world! The exact opposite of what the Russian government had theorized. The lady spy is devastated, and further demoralized vis a vis her lifelong mission.

So don't worry guys, the CIA has already telegraphed the end of this particular plot. The US is only trying to mend the world and wherever these labs are found, no matter what they appear to be doing, you can be assured it's for the greater good. The Americans are the good guys.

Posted by: sejomoje | Oct 6, 2018 3:00:42 PM | 26

Ben thanks for your brill help in getting this noticed ! You mention @ 21 the Russians get this out there they did a news breafing on R T. And I think sputnik russiaphile seems to be all but closed down.
James @22 an interesting aspect of this is —- there are clearly one or more inside whistle blowers [anonamous] this is beyond doubt authentic. Did you see the large amount of written documents. Plus the world wide map of labs not least near the ebola out-break areas !
Lastly a big big thank you to—-Dilyana Gaytandzhieva of dilyana.bg stay safe you got balls girl !! But your not on your own !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 6, 2018 3:13:02 PM | 27

The government running these programs are like the Mafia running pizza joints. From the front door, they'll sell you a slice of pizza, and from the back door, they're running illegal drugs like there's no tomorrow.

Posted by: Jose Garcia | Oct 6, 2018 3:19:00 PM | 28


How many ways are they inventing to kill us? Well their techies are pretty smart (not wise!) so they will finally come up with the goods to off all of us permanently! Good luck guys - don't spend your whole paycheck on drugs and pay for sex. Amazing how efficient intelligence can be in destroying itself.

Posted by: mike k | Oct 6, 2018 3:29:12 PM | 29

"The U.S. government should follow the law and stop all such programs. Even if only in the self interest of protecting its very own people."

Thankfully and coincidentally here in the States we now have "Presidential Alerts"; texts to all cell phones that were introduced and tested just this past week. These will no doubt be used to warn citizens when some experimental toxin has been released.

One can imagine that pre-recorded scripts are ready to send; for example "This is the President speaking. Go at once to a central windowless location where you are and remain as long as possible!"

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Oct 6, 2018 3:45:45 PM | 30

Whilst websites such as these provide an invaluable service, I think we are nearing the point of no return. Either we start actually doing something about all this sh_t, or our children and grandchildren are truly f_cked.

Posted by: ross | Oct 6, 2018 4:08:10 PM | 31

Ben here’s the Russian news breafing regarding the bio lab —- https://sputniknews.com/military/201809111067942351-lugar-center-alleged-us-biolab/

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 6, 2018 4:12:19 PM | 32

As long as there is no disaster at home, US policy will not change. Who cares about what happens to foreigners? They're thousands of miles away. The Brits have much the same attitude, separated as they are by 22 miles of sea from the continent. We are about to see what happens when a US style attitude meets others who have power. The final negotiations being said to be in action.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 6, 2018 4:44:58 PM | 33

As far as I remember the East German state claimed - all the way through - that A I D S was a product of US laboratories. It was never clear to me from limited press coverage at the time whether the virus escaped from the government lab or was deliberately released.
The East German state asserted it was released for nefarious purpose !

Posted by: ashley albanese | Oct 6, 2018 5:05:47 PM | 34

Andromeda Strain, Omega Man, Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, represent a selection of the SciFi genre related to this topic, the last two being the most successful cable TV shows ever produced and marketed. These examples show their apocalypses to be classless--being rich doesn't confer immunity. I'm also somewhat surprised that the retired Navy person who sent the ricin hasn't been hyped to the max. I certainly agree with my fellow barflies that the Outlaw US Empire's not to be trusted one iota on this issue or any other--no matter how trivial. The one major lesson I learned from my NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) training was nuclear fallout and chemical agents dilute and dissipate eventually allowing one to eventually remove NBC gear, but Bioweapons don't act that way and can persist for centuries/millennia and roam from the area they're deployed--of the 3, Bioweapons are the most hideous, IMO.

Speaking about not caring, this RT op/ed relates the life-end situation for Outlaw US Empire stormtroopers, active and retired, detailing the fact that they're more likely to die by their own hand than that of an enemy combatant--it's very much Born on the Fourth of July again. We haven't had a thread about the concentration camps for immigrant kids and their parents, but they exist all the same. There are many other examples I could provide proving the contempt US elites have for Commonfolk. It seems that gaining control of the Outlaw federal US government will be required to save humanity. Unfortunately, it falls to the US citizenry to do the deed to prevent the global war that would ensue if other governments combined to stop the Outlaw US Empire's madness.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 6, 2018 5:20:09 PM | 35

#22 James. Those scientists just doing their job need to be put in the dock as well as the politicians and military types. Just doing my job, following orders didn't past muster at Nuremburg.

Thank you b for highlighting this. I pray for Dilyana Gaytandzhieva. She is a true hero.

Interesting story from Stalker Zone. While there is no proof that the Siberian plague originated in one of those bio laboratories in Ukraine, the potential for outbreaks of infectious diseases is multiplied in Ukraine with increased poverty and lack of health services. The shutting down of the State Sanitary-Epidemiological Service may have. It was disbanded in May 2014. Quoting from the then Minister of Health Care in Ukraine, "The Sanitary-Epidemiological Service robbed the whole country via bribery. I don’t think that they effectively worked for the benefit and health of the nation. It is necessary to remove such Soviet symbols,” explained the reformer.

"The danger that the Siberian plague poses is evidenced by the fact that its pathogen in many countries was supposed to be used as a biological weapon – the rate of mortality in the pulmonary form of the disease is 100%."

http://www.stalkerzone.org/disease-and-poverty-why-the-siberian-plague-broke-out-in-the-odessa-region/


http://www.stalkerzone.org/the-fruits-of-reforms-in-the-supermarkets-of-kiev-cockroaches-trample-on-buns-and-bread-contains-delicious-larvae/

Posted by: Tom | Oct 6, 2018 5:22:37 PM | 36

The English dictionary term 'scientists' must be parsed carefully between for-profit 'private science' aka Technology, and for-looting 'public science' aka Scientocracy. Neither of them can be trusted, however, Technology can be counted on to deliver Products, while Scientocracy delivers Process. Technology develops and delivers discrete quantifiable units. Let's call them 'atoms'. Scientocracy develops and delivers indefinitely unquantifiable nebulous specious futurology, let's call them 'fatwahs'.

Science n. \ ˈsī-ən(t)s -

1. Private science, the art of technology, delivering units of 'atoms'.

2. Public science, the art of process, delivering units of 'fatwahs'.

e.g. Brett Kavanaugh was just elevated to the Chamber of Scientocracy

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 6, 2018 5:47:40 PM | 37

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HIV was inadvertently introduced into hepatitis C vaccine produced by a Belgian-lab on chimpanzees, I believe, operating in Africa. Hepatitis vaccine found its way, naturally, to SFO, where the gay-needle crowd was exposed to Hep C. They got HIV as a result. AIDS is not a disease, per se, it's a symptomatic blight, it's the 'not-immune' body exposed to the world of degradation, in much the same way the non-immune and illiterate-even-if-educated global body has been exposed to the world of domestic psyops. There is no longer any distinction between reality and i-reality. You have to deal with that.

(At the moment there's viable voice synthesis to capture and mirror anyone's identifiable way of speaking, and Stanford has mastered the chameleon art of morphing any studio actor to mirror a public figure. In real time. By 2020, you will have no idea if Trump actually said, "Bmob the gooks for Jesus!", or if it was an actor in a video-audio post- sat feed.)

Ebola is the direct contact between non-immune bush meat hunters and viral monkey diseases. It's not a useful bioweapon.

The plagues, fevers and choleras (and now typhus is roaring through LA tent cities) are from crowded living conditions.

The solution is FEMA indefinite detention 'work' facilities ... and gas ovens.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 6, 2018 6:17:25 PM | 38

Ashley@33

Some theories say that it was released in experimental Hepatitis B vaccines that administered to gay populations in NYC and SF in the mid to late 70’s

In 1969 a Pentagon Spokesman testified to congress that “Within the next 5 to 10 years, it would probably be possible to make a new
infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we
depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease.

A research program to explore the feasibility of this could be completed
in approximately 5 years at a total cost of $10 million.”

Dr Gallo the discoverer of HIV in 1984 as a cause of AIDS, began his career at the National Cancer Institute which had just merged with the US biological warfare division (as it closed down) and moved to its new home in Fort Detrick. Before being closed down in 1969 by treaty they had worked on weaponizing cancer. Gallo had worked with one of the leading biological weapons contractor ”Litton Bionetics” and they operated the entire administration of the National Cancer Institute’s programs at Fort Detrick

Part of the research at NCI and previously the biological warfare lab involved looking at viruses that actually cause cancer, including animal viruses that may have contaminated vaccines at the time.

So maybe accident, maybe not. Its likely it was introduced to the population via vaccines

Of course, we will never know.

Posted by: Pft | Oct 6, 2018 6:31:39 PM | 39

A few months ago ‘b’ gave us a blog regarding plain shipments of arms from [i think] Bulgaria to the Middle East ending up in terrorist hands, this was done under diplomatic bag protection ! I notice this same miss-use of diplomatic immunity is used here. As seen in the dilyana’s video !
It’s a given —- western governments being the perpetrator’s here have been creating fake news against Russia to victim blame. Projecting the West’s wronging doing onto Russia deliberately incase this came out. It explains bogus chem attack claims by the west re- Syria, it explains the false novachok Salisbury feasco! I could’nt understand why or where this sudden political and media, hate campaign against Russia came from ! NowI know !!! Agenda 21 [google it] and bare in mind the research will be used to depopulate all of us by the rich elites !!! This is my speculation right or wrong I hope i’m Wrong
This should go viral ! Oh wait no

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 6, 2018 6:39:45 PM | 40

Sasha @ 41
I’v noticed this too ! This guy may help https://mobile.twitter.com/Glyde__Jetson/status/1048522252080300033/photo/1
Beyond doubt my iPhone is hacked if I scroll down they skroll up! To the point where it turns into a tug of war!! Blatant! But I get my own back. I play hours of subversive reggae music on my phone for ‘them’ bet they hate me. But I may have subverted a few of ‘um !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 6, 2018 7:48:19 PM | 41

@Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 6, 2018 7:15:09 PM | 42
@Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 6, 2018 7:48:19 PM | 44


Well I am in Europe, and, thus, I did not recieve the Presidential Alert, and it is not my phone who is behaving like that...but my laptop, guys...anyway, as exagerating as Anton Worter would look like, I think he falls even short of what is really happening in the US....See for yourself:

Say Goodbye to the Guardrails of Governance

Posted by: Sasha | Oct 6, 2018 8:22:23 PM | 42

Wrong link, here it is again...

Say Goodbye to the Guardrails of Governance

Posted by: Sasha | Oct 6, 2018 8:28:19 PM | 43

karlof1 @ 34

Case in point, a festival near Washington DC in which several hundred children arrived by car and parked in a field that had recently been sprayed with herbicide. Big conspiracy? Doubtful, but American farmers by and large accept/ignore the risks and keep any notion of environmental concern filed under "climate change & related commie hocus pocus."

American children on the prescribed immunological regime contain enough mercury and aluminum derivatives to be declared miniature toxic waste hazards. If that doesn't do it, getting them hooked on long-term maintenance drugs, even setting aside the opioid programme, guarantees profit for the corporate dictators.

As RT reports, US storm troopers are their own worst enemy. They are but the tip of the iceberg. Without launching a long-winded analysis, I would only mention the concept that the US is turning on itself by the mental health vector, as in crazy people with guns, suicidal vets, opioid addicts, sociopathic public servants who facilitate environmental abuse by corporate chemicals, etc. You get my point. A sane creature surely wouldn't do itself in, nor those of their own species, right?

Perhaps we should wonder if the superlative Russian patience is founded on the knowledge that America will self-destruct. The concern is keeping it contained.

Side note, as a recovering X-Files addict, I offer part of the synopsis for an episode entitled Zero Sum (Wikipaedia) April 1997--

The entomologist is killed by a swarm of bees. The next day, Mulder and Skinner look at his body, which is infected with smallpox transmitted by the bees. Skinner visits the co-worker of the postal worker who died, who tells him she was pressured to not say anything about what happened by men who demanded a damaged package. At the photo lab Mulder analyzes the photo, which reveals Skinner's identity.

The Smoking Man meets with the Syndicate, who are responsible for the bees. Soon afterward a swarm of bees attacks a school in Peyson, South Carolina, and one of the teachers dies as a result while several students are injured. Skinner heads to the hospital, where he is met by Covarrubias. She demands to know what he knows about the matter. He tells her he believes that the bees are being used as a carrier for some sort of experiment.

Posted by: Stumpy | Oct 6, 2018 9:22:24 PM | 44

More on vectors, imagine not only weaponizing bees, but also the plants.

Velvet Leaf

Abutilon theophrasti is a subshrub to about six feet, or two meters, often just a few feet. The stem and twigs are covered with fine hair. Leaves are heart-shaped and alternate. They are very fuzzy and have just a hint of teeth around the edge. One flower per leaf axils is produced, yellow, five petals, slightly notched. Self-pollinating each plant can produce up to 17,000 seeds and the seeds can remain viable for 60 years. One researcher reported 43% seed germination after 39 years of burial.

Along with my usual headache with Burr Dock and Curly Dock, this year's pest is Velvet Leaf. A handful of seed pods will drive an average gardener to insanity.

Posted by: Stumpy | Oct 6, 2018 9:45:50 PM | 45

End result? It's going to backfire, the spread will envelope the world and humankind as it's know today. Do they care? Absolutely not. They believe in their own invincibility, which is misplaced.

Posted by: Eugene | Oct 6, 2018 9:56:55 PM | 46

How do you like this one...Russian biological samples ‘collected for research’ – US Air Force and Russians' DNA taken by foreign agents, Kremlin says Now that was back in 2017. The NWO is desperately to clinging to power and by doing so they are birthing NWO.2 which will be staffed by the rest of the world excluding the Anglo American Axis.

This madness reminds me of of Defense Secretary Gates during the Gulf War. When asked a question at a press conference about the devastation he answered, "it's just another day in the Persian Gulf".

My country is run by madmen. Their delusions of grandeur will only grow worse with time.

Posted by: dltravers | Oct 6, 2018 11:28:15 PM | 47

Depraved comes to mind; the last gasps of the death of empire.
The last vestiges of internationl law are being crushed.
The realignment going on today, away from the U.S., may prove too slow to save us...

Posted by: V | Oct 6, 2018 11:29:32 PM | 48

If you tune in right now, you can see New American Century Supremator Kavanaugh being sworn in:

"My Oath. I swear by Zeus, Moloch, Satan and the other gods of power, wealth and sovereignty to maintain my fealty to Sovereign Donald and The Chosen, and to cast my judgements always to their advantage. Nor shall I attempt by judgement to depose the Sovereign or his resplendants in Congress, nor overthrow the constitutions existing in each state, when they shall have swore the oaths, unless they shall give the People unreasonable powers over the Sovereign, then I shall smite them with a cruel and perfidious vengeance. Nor shall I do anything contrary to these agreements, nor shall I allow anyone else, as far as possible in my power, so help me Jaweh."

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 6, 2018 7:15:09 PM | 42

Man o man o man o man! I admit I know nothing about the Judge and his judicial history.
If it is a bad as this, then... it's bad; o my my my. In my TV-less ignorance, I had imagined
it was a mere spectacle about a politican accused of having sex with a horse-faced woman.

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 6, 2018 11:51:44 PM | 49

Stumpy @48--

I grew up in California's farmland and worked the fields along with Braceros, and know very well the toll of the 'Cides. The contempt elites have for us Commonfolk I've often remarked upon here at MoA--Expendables, Deplorables, Bewildering Herd, and other terms. The Class War's the Eternal Struggle, but only a small percentage of Commonfolk understand that whereas elites are taught it at an early age.

The lack of ethics and morality within the Outlaw US Empire is a direct reflection of the "Role Models" provided by the political leadership--just look at who youngsters wee subjected to: Two generations worth of War Criminals when we begin with Reagan/Bush. Demonizing the Other is a National Sport started by the Puritans. We are most certainly "Carefully Taught."

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 7, 2018 12:10:18 AM | 50

karlof1@55

True but it goes back further. Senator Bush spent a bunch of time buttering up Eisenhower. His famous MIC speech was a bit disingenuous. They spent a bunch of time on the golf course yet he did little to get in the way of the MIC.

Of course, Grandfather Bush and the future Senator Bush was caught working with the Nazis prior to WWII and it was said he was one of the fascist leaders behind the famous Smedley Butler Coup against Roosevelt. These guys would have backed Hitler all the way give a little more rope. It was their dream come true.

The next president tried to change course and got a high speed lead injection. The interim president pushed us into Vietnam. Look at some of L. Fletcher Prouty's work on this. It is interesting.

RFK wanted out and he got another injection of lead . MLK turned against the war and was dead soon after. Reagan was almost killed a few months in office with Bush standing in the wings as his VP.

The US has been set on a course and managed by these Ivy League creeps for a very long time. Many think they worship this stuff as a religion. Their God is Lucifer and deception is their stock in trade.

Posted by: dltravers | Oct 7, 2018 12:37:34 AM | 51

dltravers | Oct 7, 2018 12:37:34 AM | 56
Of course, Grandfather Bush and the future Senator Bush was caught working with the Nazis prior to WWII and it was said he was one of the fascist leaders behind the famous Smedley Butler Coup against Roosevelt.

Um, if I'm not mistaken; Smedly Butler was the one who stopped the attempted coup against Roossevelt.

Posted by: V | Oct 7, 2018 1:22:26 AM | 52

@b I put in a comment on this thread some time ago and it has not appeared. Is it stuck in spam or have you taken it out.. or did it not go through to your end.. (Question mark no longer works on my keyboard)

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 7, 2018 3:42:29 AM | 53

In looking at the world, different cultures ect, always you have to look through the eyes of that culture.
Most cultures have established boundaries. Understanding these, a culture that may be hostile can be negotiated with.

US culture has no boundaries. Other than survival of the fittest.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 7, 2018 4:03:41 AM | 54

@Peter AU 1

The problem is not on this side. I just cleared the spam queue and there was nothing from you in there.

(I also cleaned the thread of off-topics.)

Posted by: b | Oct 7, 2018 4:10:26 AM | 55

Somebody needs to stop the US military from doing these outrageously dangerous experiments in all these labs all over the world. People in the countries where these labs are located need to organize and aggressively demonstrate, or do types of civil disobedience to bring attention to these egregious labs. I'm surprised how passive the people are where these labs are located. US military is the world's biggest terrorist threat, here is yet another example of its malign and sinister intent.

Posted by: Deschutes | Oct 7, 2018 4:13:12 AM | 56

Thanks b. I did not think you had zapped the comment but wanted to check before posting again.
Had a few beers now (evening Au time) so may try posting it again tomorrow

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 7, 2018 4:24:55 AM | 57

So please tell me this all a bad dream or —- am I right in thinking that —- if due to this latest bio warfare scandle trump was implicated (the buck stops here ) then it would be kavanaugh who would be in control of the whole impeachment proceedings! Kavanaugh who has now taken up home in trumps pocket. Like trump a masoganistic sex pest !
Pinch me I need to wake up ! USA politics military and the law are in these people’s control ! And there doing germ warfare ! Did any Americans vote for that?
We were on the brink ! We just last night tipped over the edge into the abyss !!!
Americans won’t survive this but bacteria and viruses will.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 7, 2018 4:42:43 AM | 58

Well for whatever its worth, here goes. Russia grows non genetically modified crops. Russia is now the worlds largest exporter of wheat. US and most so called allies grow GMO wheat. A pathogen, pest, whatever, targeting non GM wheat crops... sort've like the potato blight of Ireland but backed by the US. (my post that did not appear earlier)

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 7, 2018 4:56:08 AM | 59

The US is already working many years to test the effect of genetically modified food on humans in the refugee camp in Dafur. In experiments with mice it has shown that they become sterile from the 3rd generation on if they are fed with genetically modified grain. US Aid has launched what I call, the biggest field research in history in Dafur. I am not surprised at all that the US does lots of tests in different countries.

Posted by: H. van Klaveren | Oct 7, 2018 5:11:39 AM | 60

Is Maryam - straight in there at number 2 comment slot - just a visiting troll, or a regular resident? I assume that the hasbarollocks outfits run by the ziP - the zioentity-in-Palestine - watch b's site closely, because it's so effective at getting out real news. It seems that they're often straight in with shit-stirrer comments whenever they see something they don't like, the moment that b posts it. Might 'Maryam' be one - or several - of the hasbarollocksers? Worth watching.

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Oct 7, 2018 5:11:45 AM | 61

Rhisiart Gwilym re 62 "Is Maryam - straight in there at number 2 comment slot - just a visiting troll."

yep. in your face troll.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 7, 2018 5:21:35 AM | 62

Post @63 is no mine. Some neocon adherent, wanker, has infiltrated.

I dunno b, you need some software that matches usernames to email addresses.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 7, 2018 6:41:02 AM | 63

So reports of Russian bioweapons in England are fake news and disinformation but this is totally kosher and legit, right?

Posted by: ralphieboy | Oct 7, 2018 8:19:08 AM | 64

".......The idea that the real (and illegal) purpose of such U.S. research is biological warfare is not far fetched at all........."

While it is a good idea to get the program into the open, this hardly is a convincing statement that the US is developing biological weapons.

".......Last week the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Russian Foreign Ministry accused the U.S. of illegal biological weapon research in the Tbilisi laboratory......"

And you believe the Russian MOD? How many lies have come from the Russian MOD just on the downing of MH17? In fact, they submitted another whopper to the JIT just in the past few weeks. When the US accused the Russians of interfering in the 2016 US election, did you believe US intelligence? Or were you skeptical?

Posted by: craigsummers | Oct 7, 2018 8:50:41 AM | 65

V@53

Yes Smedley was the good guy and stopped the coup. I should have made that more clear. Back then there were some, or a few, independent people in government who tried to move the country along a better path. Those days are far behind us.

Posted by: dltravers | Oct 7, 2018 9:29:17 AM | 66

IMO if these sites are n fact doing biological warfare aimed at Russia, there are candidates for a Russian missile strike for the purpose of destroying them. Maybe Russia could say they are Iranian run too boot and throw that in face of Israel & US.

Posted by: timbers | Oct 7, 2018 10:06:31 AM | 67

maryam | Oct 6, 2018 10:55:56 AM | 2
"the programme you are attacking is designed to prevent and create early warning system for nonproliferation of potentially hazardous biological agents..."

Any evidence for your statement? The facts do not support your whitewashing of the criminal enterprise of the Lugar lab.

And why would the US allocate good amount of money for the lab in Georgia, establish a gag order on the lab activities, and give immunity to the "researchers" working there? https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/10/04/veteranstoday-report-on-us-bioweapon-labs-in-georgia-goes-mainstream/

The more attempts at the whitewashing propaganda, the more exposure of the facts, "maryam."

This is from 2016: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/02/26/neo-lugar-bioweapons-laboratory-a-time-bomb-in-georgia-and-region/ "Lugar Bioweapons Laboratory: a Time Bomb in Georgia and Region?"

"Our coverage of the bio-weapons lab scandal continues with Seth Ferris’ latest NEO report below, with Gordon’s intro. The Russian media has been the only follow up coverage for the handful of brave journalists there who have reported on the ground, at great danger.The various thugs in Georgia murder politicians and prosecutors, so it is open season on journalists. We will keep banging on this drum to force more coverage."

Here is one of the endangered journalists, Dilyana Gaytandzhieva: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-16/us-diplomats-involved-trafficking-human-blood-and-pathogens-secret-military-program

Try to refute her investigation point by point instead of posting your propaganda, "maryam."

Posted by: Anya | Oct 7, 2018 10:44:49 AM | 68

By the time the Russians introduced the "Poseidon" (which is a nuclear probably A.I. driven submarine that in reality pretty much behaves as an A.I. driven nuclear bomb with great yelds) capable of sneaking in undetected in monitored and controlled territory, sink to great depths, be able to be operational for large amounts of time and hide itself inside cavernous terrain if we can guess from its size, many would ought to think that USA got the message.

Many retired vets of the US Navy old school would be able to understand why this is a doomsday weapon that could act as a continent killer. Yes, you can build weapons that can act as whole continent destroyers since the days of the Atlantis (Masons favorable [human?] civilisation era that they tirelessly strive to restablish under the sun not for any love for the mankind but for their own nefarious purposes) since the whole area that once harbored Atlantis.

Plus the "New Atlantis" which is the USA is largely cavernous with huge swaths of salt or sweet water passing underneath, especially under California and to the western parts of the US. If you imagine a network of a Grand Canyon type of terrain more or less but sealed on its top and filled with water, running underneath pretty much more than half of the Northern American continent, you could pretty much get a rough idea of how the American shelve is formed. USA luckily has no earthquakes, but it would take just ONE big earhtquake and it is all over. The cascade will begin.

The "Poseidon" was just an array of weapons that can give the average American military mind plenty of chances to "get it". Unfortunatelly for the USA and according to the Russian military there are more down the Russian pipeline that do different tricks, each one, and that's only about what the Russians have, there's no mention yet of the Chinesse, or the Iranians.

IN REALITY USA WITH ALL IT'S MIGHT NAVY, MARINES & AIR-FORCE (farse) SEEMS IT CAN AND WILL FOLD LIKE A PAPERBAG IN THE VERY FIRST WEEKS OF A GLOBAL CONFLICT (I can't stress this enough)

once the pieces in the chessboard are set straight and relevantcooperations take place between the numerous USA's adversaries.
So, there comes the -future million civilian casualty lives- question "WHY THEY DON'T SEEM TO GET IT YET"?. Israel plays a large role in that and of course the Mossad. (There is no Heaven or Hell. There is only the Mossad- Famous Pakistani S.I.S saying)

You see, it seems that what the Mossad does best, is to extort. Not the cinematographic type of assasinations of "Israel's enemies", not the heroic - fantasy novel type missions - allegedly saving the stranded average jews (collaborators) behind "enemy lines", NO. That's public consumption BS manufctured for the average jews and israeli sympathizers to fill somewhat at awe and/or. proud Mossad is all about ole moundane extortion tricks and networks. For ex. who does their sisters wives, their neighbors, their kids, etc etc. THAT'S IT!. They need no more or no less than that! They make the mighty Usury Empire of Britain happen! That's all it takes really!

It was always like that! American/British pre-WWII trust funds working for promotion of the 3rd German Reich and thus Hitler and his company were among the trusted circle of the Usury Cabal, and one of their primary goals was to end the "Jewish State" inside the then Germany and restablish another one in the Mediteranean. Not Middle East, but Mediterranean! Somewhere around the Earth's 33rd parallel. (for a reason - that we have to ask our dear Masons to explain) There is a difference. Thus they did! Rest is history!

The Bulk of the modern (last 500/700 years) parts of politiclal and military history is really boring, just Jews conspire and scores of -other people- die.

Well, it seems it is going to start getting interesting again... Seems big stuff is up ahead. Stuff we probably will have to re-check our old history to begin to get a grasp off and that will have to be a more "open minded" aproach to things we were entirely sure about their nature. There going to be suprises. Yes, there's going to be a War, a Global War, unfortunatelly, a real War, unlike WWI and WWII.
Problem is our civilisation lacks a number of "real soldiers" thus the casualty scale will have to lean more to the unsuspected civilian sides. No, unfortunatelly for the civilian poppulation, all these Spec. Ops and operatives of whatever branch of military/agency of any country are just pussies with lots of armor/gadgetry and supposed stealthines and their HQ's stuffed with "edumacated" morons that dread their projected own-casualty numbers.

GUESS WHICH COUNTRY WILL SUFFER THE MOST CIVILIAN CASUALTIES..
This time it will be you US of A.

But WHY all this has to happen?
Why and how would these connect with our history?
WHAT is the END GAME?
To what will the current covilisation's death will give RISE to?
Make no mistake people, this is what we are witnessing here, from many different levels.
The painstacking and meticullous engineered decadence of the life styles Globaly by the "entertainment industries".
The destruction of the core family values.
The increasing with breathtaking pace of "new" and "revolutionary" technologies introduction, for the "betterment of our everyday lives.
The untold amounts of lies and BREAKING NEWS delivered by cutting edge technologies and ingeniously organized multi levelnetworks - right in to our bedrooms/kitchens/offices/cars/leisure times/work places - every day, every hour, every minute. "Breaking News", indeed!
"News" designed to BREAK YOU with a scientific procedural accuracy, layer by layer, bit by bit, you and the whole human society around you.

What for?
What will this has to give rise to?
ASK YOURSELVES!

Posted by: Greece | Oct 7, 2018 11:07:26 AM | 69

psychohistorian @4, John Merryman @12

Very interesting discussion about Monotheism.

IMHO, Monotheism laid the foundation for the notion of absolutism ("Chosen People"/"Exceptionalism"/"All-in-one"), which results in the iFUKUS' sense of entitlement to the world. If these fundamental cultural, religious and psychological build-ups/ideals not re-examined, the Empire's current immoral, abhorrent and bully mentality and behaviour will not ever change till it.

"The more they manufacture the innocence, goodness and virtue, the more monstrous they become" by by brilliant Chris Hedges

Posted by: mali | Oct 7, 2018 11:55:14 AM | 70

@ Greece 70

"USA luckily has no earthquakes."

?????

I'd recommend studying the geographical history of the North American continent, perhaps beginning with the great San Francisco earthquakes of 1906 and 1989.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 7, 2018 11:55:31 AM | 71

..., the Empire's current immoral, abhorrent and bully mentality and behaviour will not ever change till it gets crashed by force from outside.

Posted by: mali | Oct 7, 2018 11:58:07 AM | 72

@ Greece 70

"USA luckily has no earthquakes."

?????

I'd recommend studying the geographical history of the North American continent, perhaps beginning with the great San Francisco earthquakes of 1906 and 1989.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 7, 2018 11:55:31 AM | 72

REAL historical timelines span more than centuries and milenia.
Current North American (modern US State) is only a couple/roughly 3 centuries old. A spec of dust in the human historical legacy really. Not if you count North American Indians historical accounts though. Although they did not rsort in keeping written volumes, their recollection of earthquakes is far far less I pressume, than what an ancient central/Eastern european, or Middle Eastern, or Eastern Assiatic, or North Eastern European would recollect. North America has far fewer earthquakes than most places mentioned above, less than what the other 75%/80% of dry land mass is currently suffering and was experiencing in the distant/close past. That is a fact.

Though far less earthquakes might prove to be actually a curse and not a real blessing.
US wasn't a nomads land without a reason.....

Posted by: Greece | Oct 7, 2018 12:51:41 PM | 73

@28 mark2.. i agree... and yes, i saw the large number of documents connected to all this..

@37 tom - nuremberg would be a good place for these scientists to be taken, but like bush 2, cheney and company - the exceptional nation has been able to avoid any of this.. as psychohistorian notes - the myth of the rule of law at this point is fully a myth and not a reality for the exceptional nation..

dltravers.. thanks for your posts and comments.. the books by L. Fletcher Prouty look very interesting..

Posted by: james | Oct 7, 2018 1:18:26 PM | 74

dltravers @52--

Yes, back further--FDR didn't press charges against the golpistas despite having plenty of evidence--Why? They were able to support Hitler AND made their way into the War Cabinet. They advised Truman to drop the bombs and wrote the legislation for 1947's National Security Act which gave them the CIA--their version of a Praetorian Guard. They've gotten away with many murders and plundered Trillions without getting confronted and arrested for their crimes. They are the biggest criminal syndicate on the planet. I'm under no illusions what must be done/who must be fought when I say we Commonfolk must regain control over the federal government.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 7, 2018 1:24:22 PM | 75

Posted by: ralphieboy

"So reports of Russian bioweapons in England are fake news and disinformation but this is totally kosher and legit, right?"

Correct. And you are just another "mariam" on this comment section.

Here is the investigative journalism: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-16/us-diplomats-involved-trafficking-human-blood-and-pathogens-secret-military-program
"Pentagon scientists have been deployed in 25 countries and given diplomatic immunity to research deadly viruses, bacteria and toxins at US military offshore biolaboratories under a $2.1 billion DoD program. (Source: DTRA)"

"US scientists test viruses under diplomatic immunity: Tasked with the program at the Lugar Center are biologists from the US Army Medical Research Unit-Georgia (USAMRU-G) along with private American contractors and the US Center for Disease Control (CDC). Certain zones of the laboratory are classified zones and are accessible only to American citizens with security clearance. They are accorded diplomatic immunity under the 2002 US-Georgia Agreement on defense cooperation. Furthermore, the Pentagon scientists can work in direct violation of international law."

Why the immunity, ralphieboy? Why the direct violation of international law? (As if Georgia were the lawless Jewish State).

And what is your "kosher" point " ralphieboy" -- the Skripals' affair that has been debunked and laughed upon by the experts in chemistry and bio-weaponry?
You should better stay with your beloved Eliot Higgins and Gavin Williamson and learn from them about the art of selling fireplaces (Gavin's expertise) and ladies underwear (Eliot's expertise). Theresa May offers her kind of expertise -- the kowtowing to banksters, war-profiteers and zionists.


Posted by: Anya | Oct 7, 2018 1:49:46 PM | 76

The US military monster (which includes the CIA) has engaged in sinister B-weapons research for decades and there is nothing "defensive" about it ...

How many Americans have realized that HIV/AIDS was created in a US military lab? The myths about AIDS persist till today...

NO, it did not originate in Africa .. (but in the big cities of the US)
No, the virus was not transferred from the "green monkey" (but lab-monkeys were used as guinea-pigs "hosts" to create a new virus)
No, it is not really a "gay-disease" ...(gay men were probably infected (originally) thru a vaccination program in the 1970s...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT33rxjCq4o (Video - The Africa-Legend in German)

Here are the major points:


26:13: : Dr. Gerhard HUNSMANN, researcher at the Uni Göttingen:

"We conducted extensive epidemiological studies on HTLV-1 (the first human Retrovirus which appeared in Japan, Africa and the Caribbean) and found that this virus was prevalent in Africa in only 1-5% of the population, we had serum-collectives from seven thousand people from different African regions … when HIV was discovered (originally called HTLV-3 to create the illusion it evolved naturally) we checked our frozen samples to see if this new virus could also be found in the blood of Africans; thru these tests we quickly discovered that the positives first occurred in 1982-3, but in earlier samples not a single one was found… so the American scientists (like Robert Gallo) who had „found“ a very high (HIV) incidence in African blood-samples .. were wrong (read: were lying) but the myth was kept alive thru the parrot-media…)

Gallo was forced to correct his number from 60% to o,02 % …which is statistically meaningless..

Only the Segals (2 German biologists in Berlin) dared to publish what seemed to be the logical conclusion, yet „unthinkable“:

That the HI-Virus is not a natural virus, but an artificial creation … (28:33)

But the Segals entered dangerous territory when they claimed that the virus must have been created in a US military lab: genetic material of the Visna-Virus (which until then only affected sheep) was combined with a human leukemia-virus (HLV-1-suspected of being another Frankenstein microbiological creature) which allowed the new virus to attach itself to human T-cells (thus undermining the highly efficient „special forces“ of the immune system) and use the macrophages as biological Trojan horses.

According to Segal, it was first tested on prisoners and in the beginning showed only flu-like symptoms (hence many of them still carried the virus when they were released early (as a reward for taking part in the experiment). 30:04 Then there was a vaccination campaign for gay men but what sort of virus was really injected? (a „modified“ Hepatitis B virus?)

From the video:

Near Washington lots of „Biotech labs“ have sprung up .. BIONETICS (Litton industries) .. Fort Detrick ..center for mil B& C weapons research.. a small part of the huge area was later integrated with the National Institute of Health (NIH) -to create the appearance of compliance with the Convention on the prohibition of B-Weapons which of course prohibited this kind of research) …where Robert Gallo was in charge;

Gallo closely collaborated with Bionetics …American environmentalists have raised the alarm about this new „Gene-Technology“ especially since one litre of an extremely dangerous virus „disappeared“ from Fort Detrick …capable of killing millions of people..

(the „war on cancer“ announced by Nixon was in reality a sinister research-program to create a virus which caused cancer in humans and the result was HLV and HIV )…33:12

Jeremy Rifkin … has analyzed the collusion (cronyism) between the US military and the biotech-industry „the Pentagon has increased the budget for the studying of pathogenic microbes 5 times .. under Reagan the B-weapons research has expanded dramatically .. the DOD now has research projects in 129 universities and private contractors in the US and abroad ..."

On June 9, 1969 the DOD requested 10 mn dollars for the creation of an artificial pathogen which would disable the human immune system further details of the project remain classified …

Source: Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970: Hearings Before A Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations, House of Representatives, Ninety-first Congress, First Session,H.B. 15090,

„2.Within the next 5-10 yrs it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important anspects from any known disease-causing organism. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our freedom from infectious disease.“
3. A research-program to explore the feasibility of this could be completed in approximately 5 yrs at a cost of 10 mn dollars.“

www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/homeland_security_patriot_act_fema/news.php?q=1248038656

How much longer are the "American people" going to sit in silence while this madness goes on???

Posted by: Cassandra | Oct 7, 2018 1:54:18 PM | 77

According to Segal, it was first tested on prisoners and in the beginning showed only flu-like symptoms (hence many of them still carried the virus when they were released early (as a reward for taking part in the experiment). 30:04 Then there was a vaccination campaign for gay men but what sort of virus was really injected? (a „modified“ Hepatitis B virus?)

Prisoners eh?
Well, don't they have a whole airline just to transfer American prisoners around for experiments, all over the globe? Under the supervision of some 3 letter agency I pressume.
But hey, don't they experiment on locals too? I mean foreign countries.. I mean allied with them....in the same organisations, like lets say, NATO?
Well I believe they were experimenting with uhm, viruses? Mostly brain diseases, children immune system diseases, newborn etc, combined with scallar weapons research? Yeah, you know. antenaes, shooting stuff in the atmosphere, weird current generators, running terrawats of electricity through the ground. Yeah, that kind of stuff. Lef tpeople, paralised, skyroketing percentage of psychological disorders, shcizophrenia, increased sexual deviation from 1 point something in the scale to some times 2 digit numbers. Yeah, strange stuff.Increasing number of people with disorders that were identifiable with only what someone would call demonic possesions, non curable, well unless, you would treat this the right way, religiously... Yep. ALL KINDS OF WEIRDNESS... Then there was this study, ordered by a British institution (allegedly) but mostly would have been fromsomekind of European authority in the auspices of the then still merging European Union, about whatever it could find about people that were especially been born close to March/April of 1983, this would mean, 9 months prior the people were been exposed to something... maybe there would also be collusion with local doctor personel, pediatrists, mostly.

Should have been some country that might had some kind of military junta between 1967 to 1974, but the name escapes me. Really....

Somekind of supersoldier programme, against unsuspected poppulace. Live subjects, living their ordinary unsuspected lives, some said...

Posted by: Greece | Oct 7, 2018 4:00:11 PM | 78

I mean, what small countries can do about it. Right?
Yeah. You just sit there and take it.
Small counries are good for that kind of stuff.
Balkanisation really pays off. Sometimes.
If you work for the Pentagram..
Contained, research. Compartmentalised, between regions.
People with different languages. Histories. Beliefs. Own news sources. Own political ideas. Own corrupt cabals running them....
Not really ommunicating ith one another.Easier to contain secrets.
For lets say you shove some aparratus in the ground and shoot some gigawatts or whatever they measure it with - through it and power some antena somewhere else, not far though, and also same electric currents are fed to other strange alterntors or whatever and you getthat somehow you can manipulate some potential through some weird way 500 kilometers away...
You can just move that stuff close to some borders, like lets say the former USSR, right? Power some stuff from there, affect some other places beyond the borders to the other side of the fence inside the USSR. Just guessing here. Have some local doctors, run a scheme (on the other side) doing something to the populace. They only do half the damage right? You can't surely tell. You can't prosecute. The other half is done from technologies you neither know, neither understand they exist. Right?

Is this how it goes?
So how, long, has it been going?
Can we afford to just dismiss stuff as "weird" or "conspiracies" anymore?
Just wondering by myself here....

Posted by: Greece | Oct 7, 2018 4:30:00 PM | 79

It is definitely painful to read the history of what seems like a reckless and poorly-managed biological warfare research program which might have put citizens at risk of discomfort or worse. Nevertheless, there is one damned-good reason for doing research; because other countries do it also. For example, when the West went in and cleaned out Hussien's biological weapons, aside from weaponized anthrax we also found weaponized camelpox, a chicken-pox type disease to which most in the Middle East are naturally immune; but not westerners. There is no human vaccine for camelpox. An army running a 103f fever is not much of a threat.

Keep in mind, that human protection safeguards in medical research, even informed consent, is something relatively new. Serious discussion about regulation in the US was not seen until the 1970s, and national policy did not appear until 1981. Much of the experimentation mentioned here was exempt under federal law. Of course, that does not make it right or ethical.

Keep in mind that "designer bugs" are always a mass-destruction threat. It currently takes about 10 years to develop a vaccine - under attack by a designer virus, we would likely all be dead before there is a cure. Thus, learning how to create these dangerous killer bugs provides insights and technical knowledge regarding how to counteract them. Today, there are very strict regulations for the safe storage and transportation of dangerous biological compounds which both NIH and DOD work to enforce.

Let's keep in mind that even mother nature is at work creating biological weapons of mass destruction. We only need to look to bird flu, HIV, and Ebola for validation of that. Thus, scary as it is, we do need to keep studying biological warfare agents. Hopefully, we will no longer see reckless experiments like those in the Belmont report. But, there is always the possibility that a reckless president who never pays attention to the facts might still authorize something like the San Francisco experiment, thinking - after all, they're all Democrats there anyway, right?

Posted by: Tomonthebeach | Oct 7, 2018 4:36:35 PM | 80

Nevertheless, there is one damned-good reason for doing research; because other countries do it also. For example, when the West went in and cleaned out Hussien's biological weapons, aside from weaponized anthrax we also found weaponized camelpox, a chicken-pox type disease to which most in the Middle East are naturally immune; but not westerners.

What do you mean, we?
You mean we as in for we in the CIA, or as we in enlisted/contractor of the American Military?

You forgot to add a Sieg Heil at the bottom of your post though.
They sounded exactly the same, minus some legalise people seem to add today in order to fake "good intentions".

Posted by: Greece | Oct 7, 2018 5:00:18 PM | 81

Greece @ 74:

Those North American indigenous cultures I presume to have the best historical knowledge and experience of earthquakes would be cultures in the California region which sits on two tectonic plates. This knowledge and experience would have been best captured in their religions and myths. Mythology can be surprisingly accurate in recording past major events. In some parts of northern Australia, indigenous cultures still preserve memories of dramatic sea level rises that occurred between 7,000 and 13,000 years ago.
https://theconversation.com/ancient-aboriginal-stories-preserve-history-of-a-rise-in-sea-level-36010

If there are any groups of California indigenous people who still preserve their languages, cultures and religions - not very likely, given that they were targeted by Spanish Jesuit missions in the 1600s and 1700s, but hope exists - a similar comparison and analysis of their myths and legends, to see if they have stories in common about natural phenomena like earthquakes, could be done. Ditto for indigenous peoples living in southern Alaska and coastal British Columbia.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 7, 2018 7:08:56 PM | 82

@Jen 83

Thanks for the additional info – we must continue to respond to reckless, unfounded assertions and the irrelevancies offered in support of them.

I have personally experienced earthquakes in the L. A. area, in the San Francisco area, and in Oregon (and incidentally but unrelated to topic, Japan) and I remember vividly, as a newspaper reporter at the time, the massive earthquake in Alaska in 1963 or '64.

There have even been recent earthquakes in the flat, placid stretches of places like Nebraska.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 7, 2018 8:30:08 PM | 83

AntiSpin @ 84:

Thanks for the support.

I give you Wikipedia's lists of earthquakes in Canada and the United States, and the links for those quakes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_the_United_States

The majority of these are all in the western part of the North American continent.

That we don't hear much about them and their impact is due either to their occurrence in sparely populated areas or in areas where building restrictions designed to reduce destruction and casualties caused by quakes are enforced by governments.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 7, 2018 10:11:03 PM | 84

Posted by: craigsummers | Oct 7, 2018 8:50:41 AM | 66

"How many lies have come from the Russian MOD just on the downing of MH17?"

You sound as an avid reader of the ziocon-controlled MSM. This is not even a recent news: "Serial numbers of missile that downed MH17 show it was produced in 1986, owned by Ukraine:" https://www.rt.com/news/438596-mh17-downing-russian-briefing/

Despite the mysterious silence from the US, as well as the the firm evidence from the Russian Federation, the expert in selling ladies underwear is stepping in again as the most important spokesperson and accuser for the zionized western governments: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-31/sinister-choreography-mh17-probe-smear-russia

No doubt that craigsummers is a big admirer of Eliot Higgins and his expertise.


Posted by: Anya | Oct 7, 2018 11:21:03 PM | 85

This gives a more clear picture of the real goal of the Gates Foundation/US military collaboration on gene editing and gene drives. Here's some back story.

https://www.gmwatch.org/en/news/archive/18013-us-military-revealed-as-top-funder-of-gene-drives

https://www.gmwatch.org/en/news/archive/18014-gates-foundation-hired-pr-firm-to-manipulate-un-over-gene-drives

Posted by: james | Oct 6, 2018 2:46:45 PM | 24

what about the scientists working for darpa? i suppose they find scientists who are just doing a job and not asking questions, or who are really into this sort of disturbing thing while not having the guts or character to answer any questions.

In other words, perfectly regular, normal, everyday scientists.

Posted by: Tom | Oct 6, 2018 5:22:37 PM | 37

Those scientists just doing their job need to be put in the dock as well as the politicians and military types. Just doing my job, following orders didn't past muster at Nuremburg.

Well, the scientists who served the Nazis never were put in the dock but were eagerly put to work by the Allies in the same jobs, and today's bio- and chem-war researchers are their direct descendants, so no government will ever want to bring these to justice either. Just as the Rockefeller Foundation financed Nazi research in the 1930s and helped organize Operation Paper Clip, the transportation of Nazi scientists to the US. Today the Gates Foundation has taken over leadership of these coordination roles. (See the links above.)

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 7, 2018 4:56:08 AM | 60

US and most so called allies grow GMO wheat.

There's no commercialized GM wheat, but Russia exports plenty of non-GM maize which competes with the US-led GM maize export market.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 8, 2018 10:50:24 AM | 86

@86 anya... lol... thanks for your comments, especially the one about the selling ladies underwear and who it was directed at!

@87 russ.. thanks for the links and your comments.. that and your comments are quite disturbing.. just reading one article off that site you linked to - gmwatch.com - was really informative and unsettling..

Posted by: james | Oct 8, 2018 1:03:21 PM | 87

No, not necessarily military.
Another example is GMO blackmailing.

Imagine some farmer was made into buying BASF/Monsanto seeds.
And those seeds employ a "kill-switch" gene in them. A half of a binary system.

Then this farmer makes something that BASF/Monsanto considers unwelcome. Maybe he treacherously trades with China and Iran, or maybe he viciously refuses to cancel his existing subscription to BASF/Monsanto seeds and purchase instead a higher-priced subscription to the same crops. Or anything those corrupt vile farmers may come up with. How can BASF/Monsanto save themselves from such a transgression? This project offers the ma chance at salvation: dispatch there few bees with the missing half for the inbred kill-switch activation gene - and they have fair chances to repulse the farmers aggression.

It is not necessarily to search for WMD where big bucks would require just the same tooling.

Posted by: Arioch | Oct 8, 2018 1:47:07 PM | 88

... LUGAR Center "for Public Health" in Tbilisi / Georgia :

- up to 100 people killed during biological experiments
- Journalists who ask questions are beaten up
- Poisonous gas killed two laboratory workers
- Bio-warfare Research with poisoned insects
- Secret experiments and emissions at night

... it's unbelievable what's going on there in GEORGIA, and when I read the contracts between the State of Georgia and the US government institutions and their private contractors I feel transported back to the times of colonialism, that means Georgia plays a role like a real colony of the US - and this Georgia shall become member of NATO and EU, the sooner the better ... !!!


http://dilyana.bg/us-diplomats-involved-in-trafficking-of-human-blood-and-pathogens-for-secret-military-program/

Posted by: Norbert Berentz | Oct 8, 2018 4:28:24 PM | 89

Have just found this disturbing video on you tube —-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= Looks like agenda 21 is coming our way!!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 9, 2018 6:03:21 AM | 90

Please disregard above link google has switched it for a nothing! Vid.But keep an eye here for the one I wanted to put up ! Thanks

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 9, 2018 6:51:44 AM | 91

Ok i’m Back this should get you there !! Google—- Truthstream Media Zika virus
Right now I need a sedative! Some dirty tricks played on me there ! Dam bill gates burn in hell !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 9, 2018 7:17:14 AM | 92

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