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October 24, 2018

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Posted by b on October 24, 2018 at 18:03 UTC | Permalink

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Thanks b, good rules all.

From TRNN:

Israel Forced to Delay Illegal Demolition of Palestinian Village Amid Growing International Pressure
October 24, 2018

This is a step in the right direction..

Posted by: ben | Oct 24 2018 18:09 utc | 1

Excellent rules, b!

Posted by: spudski | Oct 24 2018 18:12 utc | 2

The withdrawal from the INF treaty who does this benefit


The weapons prohibited by this treaty are they outdated
If not will we see an arms race focussed on these weapons

Would be interested to know what people think about this news

Posted by: James | Oct 24 2018 18:21 utc | 3

but i was talking about "spaceballs"! the jews really did it!

kidding. sorry. everyone knows the italians do everything.

seem like common sense rules for any forum but oh well. that's so internet! just don't make a rule against bad typing or i am so screwed.

Posted by: the pair | Oct 24 2018 18:25 utc | 4

I hate to be a conspiracy theorist. But those bomb packages sent to Soros, Clinton, Obama look to be a false flag operation.

The timing looks just too convenient, prior to the elections. And the NYT op-ed came out too quickly (

Posted by: dh-mtl | Oct 24 2018 18:29 utc | 5

Presidential hopeful's son threatens to invade Venezuela militarily if father is elected (which will likely happen):

Eduardo Bolsonaro, Jair Bolsonaro's son, said that durign a campaign march in São Paulo, Brazil, last sunday (21/10/2018). He called Nicolás Maduro a "narcodictator", and promissed the crowd to "free our [Venezuelan] brothers from hunger and socialism". He then completed: "the best solution to the migratory crisis is to remove Maduro from power".

Bolsonaro's threat endorses Maduro's thesis the USA is planning to invade Venezuela with two fronts: Brazil to the south, Colombia to the west. From the two, Colombia is the main concern, but there are no illusions with Brazil.

As I've already stated in some comments in this blog, the migratory crisis in Venezuela is bogus. Venezuela is essentially a coastal, Caribbean people, concentrated in the Maracaibo bay and the Caracas area. It's culture is essentially Caribbean, not South American. If an average Venezuelan was really fleeing from hunger, political persecution or some other very urgent reason, he/she would immigrate northwards, towards Florida, through Central America or an island nation. Instead, the alleged mass migration is directed to Ecuador and Brazil: this mass migration is literally crossing the dense Amazon forest -- and a much longer distance, not to say they would be also crossing Colombia in the case of Ecuador-- to do so if that's true.

Until now, there are no visual (picture or video) evidence of this alleged mass migration to Brazil. There are only two videos: one, which shows a tiny Brazilian mob invading what seems to be a Venezuelan outpost/embassy or even the Venezuelan side of the border and destroying three empty tents; and one showing another tiny Brazilian march in the (completely desert) border with Venezuela (its an open plains, without guards, just one monument marking the limits, with no one in sight in kilometers), playing and singing the Brazilian anthem.

There was only one scene with Colombia, covered by the Guardian and others, showing some 10,000 Venezuelan immigrants in the country, registering to cross the border. Since they had to cross Colombia -- Venezuela's main rival and probable American proxy -- it is very possible they are right-wingers who fled Venezuela for political reasons and want to be trained militarily to participate the eventual invasion (a la Uighurs in Syria, or Cuban-Americans in the Bay of Pigs).

Posted by: vk | Oct 24 2018 18:33 utc | 6

Hey Barflies,

Just for a little levity, it seems the Condor Legion has set its sights on Northern Los Angeles.


Posted by: roza shanina | Oct 24 2018 18:46 utc | 7

"The withdrawal from the INF treaty who does this benefit"

No one, really. But it goes along with the recent talk at the Atlantic Council by Wes Mitchell:
Keep the Europeans scared and maybe they'll stay in lock step (the again, maybe not) with the MIC. That's who it will benefit. It's also distraction (attempted anyway) from Trump's Khashoggi woes. The only people the weapons threaten the most are Europeans. What an asshole! (Mitchell, that is)

Posted by: m | Oct 24 2018 18:56 utc | 8

A truly amazing few weeks: Israel get too clever with IL-20 and now confronts the updated S-300, Saudi shoot themselves in the testicles, Kushner is in the doghouse, and Trump is floundering around… with regard to the Iran plans. Hondurans, victims of Hillary and Obama’s military coup of 2009, are marching towards the US border…

Posted by: Lochearn | Oct 24 2018 19:03 utc | 9

If Bolsonaro as president intends to attack Venezuela, then the CIA would have had a motive for being behind that attack on him.

Hmm, Jo Cox, Bolsonaro, now a bunch of Dems. Will they go to the well too often?

Posted by: lysias | Oct 24 2018 19:03 utc | 10

That third rule looks worryingly ambiguous, particularly at the moment, I hate to use the j word simply because I hate enyone who uses the n word if there in front of me it dose’nt end well. there are good people and bad through out the world. Just like generally ther can be good country’s and bad !!!
And there’s the rub !!! —- speaking personally—- the political situation /policy’s of Israil are a total abonamation to human kind. Beyound question !! For me it’s a reality, a moral stand point, I will not chainge that . I hope I won’t be blocked, but that ambiguity means I won’t know until I am. I won’t be self censoring that’s for sure.
It would be a sad loss to be cast out from the best blog in the world

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 24 2018 19:12 utc | 11

Revolution, friends:

Posted by: bjd | Oct 24 2018 19:15 utc | 12

One thing that has puzzled me about the Kashoggi affair (No I am not going to talk about the murder), is that the reaction to it was so sudden and so extreme. Particularly by Congress. The Administration and the Israelis (including Kushner) apparently were all caught flat-footed.
So was the "affair" a diversion from something else, and if so what?

There are several possibilities, but on second thought they may all be interconnected. 1/ Just the day before the murder, the FBI and CIA were proved to have lied deliberately under oath. This is the first time that they were officially held up for lying about their participation in the "plot to get Trump". 2/ The Mueller "probe" has done a sort of disappearing act. 3/ Assange is now to be thrown out of the Ecuadorian embassy - and could confirm/deny that Seth Rich was the original DNC "leaker". 4/ Todays' "bombs" a gogo, are another false flag to portray the Democrat party in a sympathetic light as "victims".

So the "Russian influence" propaganda will certainly unravel, from the bottom up and real questions asked about; Weiner, Podesta, Hillaries computer dribbles, dossiers of all sorts - and so on. (There are lots to come!) The roles of the Justice dept. FBI, CIA and many members of congress could be open to independent enquiry. BUT; if Russiagate is found to be completely false - where does that leave all those sanctions? The questions about the "coup d'etat" against Trump change the entire course of the present anti-russia diatribe. If Russiagate is no more - why are the military preparing so studiously for a war that has no justification?

Posted by: stonebird | Oct 24 2018 19:16 utc | 13

Good rules. Much needed for such a popular comment section. But more work for you, b. You may need more help moderating. Just ask.....

Posted by: Merlin2 | Oct 24 2018 19:18 utc | 14

Just because you disagree with someone, it doesn't mean he is a troll.

Posted by: morongobill | Oct 24 2018 19:20 utc | 15

@ 12

I see your point Mark2 but I don't think that's what b. had in mind. There's an ocean between criticism of Israel and putting all the ills of the past at the feet of Jewish people. It's far too simplistic.

Posted by: Lochearn | Oct 24 2018 19:22 utc | 16

Craig Murray says Gina Haspel (who knows a thing or two about torture herself) went to Erdogan to confront him with Istanbul Kanal corruption and thus stifle him, and thus protect MbS.

Posted by: bjd | Oct 24 2018 19:24 utc | 17

Great rules, b. Thank you for a wonderful service. I couldn't get to the site this morning and wondered if you were under attack. I would like to contribute, PayPal doesn't like me since I declined their privacy policy.

I'm a bit confused by the letter bombs. On one hand with all the elite insanity going on around the world, the pitchforks might be out, as reminiscent of the early 1900s with the Anarchists, or it could be a false flag by the Demagogues.

Supporting the latter theory, it's very difficult for me to discern any difference between the American political parties, as both have similar stands on the issues that matter to me, and it would be a logical move to get out the vote.

Posted by: Michael | Oct 24 2018 19:32 utc | 18

stonebird @14--

The justification for the ongoing war against Russia and China was delivered to Congress not so long ago as noted in this. As for the need for further domestic distractions, the coming elections and the moves being made to tamper with them along with issues being raised are but a few that must be kept out of the news. I'm not ready to call the letter and parcel bombs a FF as the targets have numerous enemies globally.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2018 19:41 utc | 19

I hate to be a conspiracy theorist. But those bomb packages sent to Soros, Clinton, Obama [...] Posted by: dh-mtl | Oct 24, 2018 2:29:02 PM | 6

Well, in german newspapers, over the last two days, there's been the announcement that a packet bomb was found in Soros' postbox. The german word was "Briefkasten" which is a specific word for the postbox at the entrance of a flat or house.
It seems odd to me that they'd use this specific word several times over. I'm pretty sure that a guy like Soros does not have a post box that he trods towards in the morning in his slippers, taking out the letters and returning to the kitchen table. I'm very sure that such a guy would have only office post or at least a guy that skims and filters through everything, probably after someone else checked for explosives etc. So, highely unlikely that he gets a packet bomb delivered to his post box. It may seem like semantic nitpicking, but the verbatim of these "news articles" kinda struck me as a bit strange. Now with more "post bombs" sent to Trumps seemingly main adversaries it looks a tad more strange.

Posted by: radiator | Oct 24 2018 19:46 utc | 20

@ 23

Please feel free to make your arguments.

Posted by: Lochearn | Oct 24 2018 19:54 utc | 21

@22 It seems Soros does have a mailbox outside his home in Westchester County. Apparently an employee has the dubious task of opening it....

"An employee at the home in Katonah, an affluent suburb in wealthy Westchester county, just north of New York City, opened a package that had been left in the mailbox, and found the device. The staff member took the parcel away from the home into a nearby area with trees and undergrowth, then alerted law enforcement."

Posted by: dh | Oct 24 2018 19:58 utc | 22

dh-mtl @6

Concerning whether attacks on Soros, Obama, Clinton etc. we're false flags, it was predictable that something of this nature would be employed. Once again, ask "qui bono? The news cycles of late were working against the Dems but have shifted now in their favor.
I was laughing last week at how Fox News and the Repubs used the lesser "attack" on the Republican HQ in NYC by masked men to blame Antifa and Dem uncivility. Not a clue as to who perpetrated it but used for their side, just as Dems are doing with the current events.
To successfully orchestrate these events is relatively easy, especially by skillful political operatives; just look at the goals achieved by the much more complicated Russiagate PsyOps campaign, and once again cui bono?
The sad part is that gullible folks glued to the MSM will gobble it up. Look for more of these type events; they work.

Posted by: Kabobyak | Oct 24 2018 20:00 utc | 23

@25 dh

thanks for clarification. I still find it somewhat unlikely that there's either a postman who drops like us-mail into a postbox there or that there's no one to stop a bomb-dropping individual from approaching the estate, but what do I know ;). At least the story seems "correct" in that aspect. Cheers.

Posted by: radiator | Oct 24 2018 20:04 utc | 24

Karlof1 @21
The bombs reminded me of the Anthrax scare after 9/11, where letters were used to focalise the "interest" of the sheeples. One person did die, and the "case" was never solved - even if a suspect was pointed out.

The "justification" I was thinking about was the impact on world opinion. Legal "Justifications there are. Even Putin has a legal justification to shoot down missiles coming towards Russia before they land or explode. But He may not want to use it.

Posted by: stonebird | Oct 24 2018 20:12 utc | 25

@Posted by: stonebird | Oct 24, 2018 3:16:44 PM | 14

As you say, too many things which happened very timely, along with the sudden and strange migrants march which "vk" comments on...This sudden and strange march helps turning the vote towards the far-right, Bolsonaro and Trump....Once they are secured into office...

"If Russiagate is no more - why are the military preparing so studiously for a war that has no justification?"

Well, they could well be preparing for invading Venezuela.....

But, meanwhile....

US economy about to collapse, taking down dollar & American standard of living – Peter Schiff

They could well also be preparing to combat the US people.... when the people discover that who was meant to "MAGA", has just burst the bubble...

It would be an irony of destiny that US people would any time regret having allowed their own communists to be wiped out through all those decades...and would miss those comrades....since the only commited people who would eventually fight effective determination and organization the fascist rule....Once martial law ( i.e. the fascist rule ) stablished, bona fide fascists will prospere, happilly being able to make reality everything they have always dreamt about ( amongst this, free use of bone-saws on enemies...), and elbowing to catch a position in the echelons, while the rest will for once endure what many people in Europe, Asia, Central and South America have known during all these decades.... mainly after US intervention.....

Many, who have mocked "the resistants", who saw it coming at first sight, will wish being swallowed by Earth remembering their blunder..."When they came for the communists, I said nothing, when they came for the SJW, I said nothing either....when they came for me....everybody else was dead"....

Believe me, you will never be the same...Good luck with your "American Dream"....

Posted by: Sasha | Oct 24 2018 20:16 utc | 26

the jews to me are doctors and lawyers who have a heart and Bob Dylan. In terms of biz the Koreans and the Chinese make the Jews look like good Samaritans.

Posted by: steve | Oct 24 2018 20:21 utc | 27

Graeme MacQueen persuasively argues in his book "The 2001 Anthrax Deception: The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy" that the anthrax letters were the work of some person or persons in the U.S. government who were somehow associated with whatever people were behind 9/11.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 24 2018 20:22 utc | 28

The multiple bomb-threat story is certainly monopolizing US news today. It certainly can't be taken at face value; no competent terrorist or rogue killer would expect that these high-status targets sit around opening their mail every morning.

It could be a rogue nut with a grudge, of course-- someone too demented to soberly assess the efficacy of this method.

FWIW, I find it far more plausible that this was an inside job to create public sympathy for the Democrats.

My own reaction was florid outrage-- outrage at being deprived of a mother-lode of schadenfreude that I richly deserve.

Meanwhile, the mention of George Soros's home mailbox reminded me of a hilarious scenario that I think comes from Jimmy Breslin's 1969 novel, "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"*: an aging Mafia don sends his wife out to the driveway, or carport, every morning to start his car in case it's been wired with explosives.

I don't even know if there is a Mrs. Soros, but I flashed upon the image of some poor grey-haired woman in bathrobe and slippers dutifully trudging out to the mailbox every day, just to ensure that George isn't blown to Kingdom Come.

* NB: the "U" (underline) HTML tag doesn't work.

Posted by: Ort | Oct 24 2018 20:28 utc | 29

The 'letter boms' do take away the spotlight from good old MbS, don't they.
Far worse than, say, real bombs raining down on Yemen.

Posted by: bjd | Oct 24 2018 20:36 utc | 30

You do a great job Moon. I love your insights. Regards Andre

Posted by: Andre de Almeida | Oct 24 2018 20:36 utc | 31

vk @ 7. Thank you for the comment. I try to follow what's happening in Venezuela but it's difficult to find any good sites out there except for Where did you find out about Maduro's thesis that the US is planning to invade Venezuela from Columbia and Brazil? I would like to know about the state of the Venezuelan military. Are they well armed for their situation? Can they lead the people in a guerrllla warfare resistance? Do they have shoulder-fired ground to air missiles? What kind of help are they receiving from Cuba? And how does Cuba view a threatened invasion of Venezuela?

Posted by: Chas | Oct 24 2018 20:41 utc | 32


It is my opinion that it is correct to attack radical religious Zionist Christians and Zionist Jews as well as the radical Wahhabists sect of Islam for their EXTREME violence against other ethnic/religious groups. The same goes for the actions of the Barzani Kurdish crime family that attacked the Yazidis in Northwestern Iraq.

A large segment of Jews in Israel and America (Reform) are against the apartheid state of Israel as was Einstein and Lord Montagu who was at the time the only Jewish member of the UK House of Lords.

It pays to be specific concerning the acts and the actors (based on their professed ideology)

Posted by: Krollchem | Oct 24 2018 20:43 utc | 33

So many bomb packages appear to have been sent, I feel left out.

Posted by: bjd | Oct 24 2018 20:49 utc | 34

Odd, I don't see those people targeted as Ds or Rs; rather, I see them as leaders or primary abettors of International Terrorism, Inc., which makes them fair targets given the current unwritten Rules of Engagement. It would be wise to employ Caitlyn's maxim about BigLie Media suddenly adopting the same narrative and refuse to give it any credibility. It's really a shame that good money's wasted providing Security to criminals like Hillary and Bill Clinton when it could be performed by the bars of their prison cells. Yes, it does feel good to write those words! It will be a test of Deep State's insistence that Khashoggi story continue to get top billing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2018 20:52 utc | 35

3 - INF Treaty
The treaty was a major step for arms control and stepping back from the possibility of a nuclear exchange happening from accidental circumstance. There had been a very frightening incident during Reagan's first term which almost blew up the planet due to a false alarm. The Americans now want to rip up the treat because 1) they believe intermediate missiles have strategic benefit against the Chinese 2) the military complex is insatiable. The American people do not understand that not only do China and Russia pose no threat per se, but this next arms race / re-allocation of resources is justified on purely hegemonic grounds. The primacy of a hegemonic world-view within US foreign policy elites is largely unknown to most Americans, despite increasing open and blatant referral to it by think tanks etc.

7 - Venezuela migrants
The numbers cited of alleged Venezuelan migrants don't add up, and it appears to represent more deceitful politicized public relations from the Assad/Maduro Must Go crowd. It is my understanding that many persons crossing the border into Columbia, for example, are in fact Columbians who crossed into Venezuela previously to escape fighting between the Columbian government and FARC. The Venezuelan government, despite the problems, continues to enjoy the support of the majority of the people - a fact which the plotters of an armed invasion either ignore or don't understand (I suspect the former).

Posted by: jayc | Oct 24 2018 20:55 utc | 36

@ Mark2

World zionist organization website

They have changed the site in the last year or so. Back around 2014 15 they had a page on converting Israeli Jews to Zionism and another on the settlements. These pages were then changed from English to Hebrew which no browser would translate into readable English and then they were removed altogether. I cannot get those pages even on wayback machine. They were quite informative.
I consider Jews ordinary people with a religion made up of the good, the bad, the ugly - but the Zionists I consider the same as the Saudi wahabbi's - vermin that need eliminating.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 24 2018 20:55 utc | 37

thank you for your wonderful blog/website. i read it daily & i have never posted any comments & don;t plan to; i just dropped by to say "thank you" for this great informational website. sincerely .....

Posted by: Lynda Scott | Oct 24 2018 21:02 utc | 38

Who want's some comedy time?
Lets not forget.

uploaded by: The Next News Network

Published on Dec 18, 2015
The Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mevlüt Cavusoglu, has boasted on Turkish television that Russia should be very scared and wary of Turkey.

“We call on Russia, which is one of our major trading partners, to stay quiet, but we also say that our patience is limited.”

Comments • 6,951

Posted by: Greece | Oct 24 2018 21:02 utc | 39

@b: A lot of people seem to be confused by the spam filter queue. It would help to give some feedback to the user, for example: “Your comment has been received and is awaiting moderation. Please do not re-post it.”

Posted by: S | Oct 24 2018 21:04 utc | 40

Not a lot about the subject of the post. Barring mention of the J*ws doesn't mean very much when the standard word in Arabic for Israelis is al-Yahud.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 24 2018 21:09 utc | 41

@5 james....haha...nice game you have there using the lower case spelling and etc, just like me.... hopefully b can recognize your e mail as distinct from mine and note your intent here.. thanks..

b- good idea on the rules...i mentioned much earleir the trollswere mistae as it immediately brought them to thefore.. sorry about that..

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2018 21:12 utc | 42

Greece @ 40:

Me, me, me, I like comedy time too! Especially when I can contribute too!

From Sputnik News (early 2016)
"Turkey's Tourist Industry Collapses as 1,300 Hotels Go on Sale"

"... With over 400 hotels for sale in the tourist capital Antalya, Turkey's tourist industry has descended into one of its worst crises in history after the number of Russian tourists visiting the country dwindled and increasing terrorist attacks left the country's security weakened, the Turkish Zaman newspaper reported.

Turkey is facing a shortfall of nearly 4.5 million Russian tourists this year, causing Turkey's tourism industry to miss out on some $4.5 billion in lost revenues, according to Aegean Touristic Enterprises and Lodging Association (ETHICS) Chairman Mehmet Isler, as quoted by the newspaper ..."

See, Turkey needs to occupy Russia to bring Russia to its knees but all Russia has to do to wreck Turkey is to ... tell its tourists to STAY AWAY from the country!!!


Incidentally the Russian tourist boycott took place after Turkey shot down a Russian Sukhoi fighter jet that it claimed had violated Turkish airspace for a few seconds.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 24 2018 21:24 utc | 43

thanks to bjd at 19

I often go over and read Craig Murray too; I have been wondering about exactly what the head torturer I mean Gina Haspel at the CIA was doing going to Turkey so urgently, and here' murray gives us a good supposition

"Haspel’s brief was very simple. She took with her intercept intelligence that purportedly shows massive senior level corruption in the Istanbul Kanal project, and suggested that Erdogan may not find it a good idea if intelligence agencies started to make public all the information they hold...

....I have an account of Haspel’s brief from a reliable source, but have not been updated on who she then met, or what the Turks said to her. It does seem very probable, from Trump’s shift in position this morning to indicate MBS may be involved, that Haspel was convinced the Turks have further strong evidence and may well use it..."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 24 2018 21:27 utc | 44

To be honest, i was waiting for this. I dunno when, but some 2-3 weeks ago, it seems MoA was flooded. Often with those "the jews did it" types you find on Southfront (Zio satantic babaric babykillers did it types). So the problems are connected.
Those ppl are the reason i dont comment on SF, and SST has the same problem, just as pretty much any of the relevant blogs.

On the other side, it just speaks volumes about the popularity of MoA. 2-3 years ago, MoA had its special flair, even though i mostly read and didnt comment. But the comments always provided additional insight, sources and new infos.
It now gets diluted more and more. But what todo?

I guess a move toward a more modern CMS with a better managemable commect plugin is the only viable answer for the long term. So B can get help in moderation, and doesnt need to spend time being a nanny for the trolls.
Plus, i also had the problem that my comment was stuck and accidentially double posted. Typepad is an outdated mess.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPropaganda | Oct 24 2018 21:27 utc | 45

Chas @ 34:

telesur english's New section on VZ has a lot of news and opinions: hasn't been updated recently, but many are peeved with Maduro's increasing privatizations

and mark weisbrot as CEPR covers VZ quite often, or used to.

i'm pretty sure that recently ecuador in its bid to cozy up the the US militarily and financially has joined the putsch throng (and throw julian assange out of the embassy as well, of course).

but with mike pence's bellicosity as to 'military solutions ar not off the table' is akin to obomba's. one can almost smell an R2P in the air. Rexxon's oil and all, and the lawsuit over contested fields off the coast of VZ's border with guyana is still in court, iirc. Rexxon's already drilling.

Posted by: wendy davis | Oct 24 2018 21:30 utc | 46

Chas @34--

"Maduro">">"Maduro tweets in Spanish A quick tour of Venezuela's twitterverse reveals numerous repostings of Chavez videos praising/reminding/exhortating the people as to their Independence that's completely in their hands.

Eva Golinger is a tireless defender of Venezuela who tweets in Spanish and English.

I wish I'd more point sources to provide or further info about your queries.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2018 21:33 utc | 47

@38: If you need some chlorine for your "eliminating", maybe ask al qaida in idlib. Just tell em its for the zionists, not the sunni extremists. Or maybe google "Aktion Reinhardt", for some expert opinion on this topic.
If you truely think you should be master of life and death.
maybe start with something small. Like a cat or dog. Then evolve to genocide later?

Or get some therapy for anti social personality disorder. It worth a try even if it looks helpless for your social and emotional intelligence.
You aint better then the heapcoppers or the blood and soil religous nut job zionists. Your just the same.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPropaganda | Oct 24 2018 21:40 utc | 48

@james (50)
The only way to tell with any degree of certainty is through the IP. And even then.

Posted by: bjd | Oct 24 2018 21:48 utc | 49

I welcome your rules regarding comments. Especially the rule directed at the antisemitic poison, which only feed the zionist propaganda which seeks to conflate antisemitism with zionism; judaism being a benign religion and zionism being a cancerous tumor in desperate need of being isolated and exposed for it's criminal nature.

Posted by: Stephen C Thurtell | Oct 24 2018 21:49 utc | 50

Thanks krollchem & PeterAU1
Yes it’s all about the context and agenda of the people using the word. good or bad true or false ect ,we know it when we see or here it !

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 24 2018 21:52 utc | 51

Exxon being sued for not apprising shareholders of Exxon's risk exposure due to the Climate Crisis. Will Exxon get Enroned? Will Trump's DoJ jump in and try to shield Exxon? How many years will Exxon's lawyers be able to delay the suit?

Europe-based twitterers I read observe that the parcel bombs have pushed most other news aside, so that was their likely purpose.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2018 21:52 utc | 52

@14 - stonebird and @21 - karlof1

If Russiagate is no more - why are the military preparing so studiously for a war that has no justification?

Not one single war in history has a real justification that satisfies rational explanation, let alone the real earthy truth that could be explained to the common understanding of a given era. All the pretexts were vague and shrouded in some black-white narrative. Also often wrapped in populistic, nationalistic and survivalistic themes. Those were explained later and put in a context of contemporary times.
War is about changing the minds of the enemy. Who is this enemy? Everybody and nobody.

It is a "mission impossible" to try to keep away the Russia from Europe, Arctic, Med-Mid East area and the far East.
The only temporary way to prevent competition domination and influence is to try to discredit it demonizing every move your competitor, in this case Russia, does.
China they do not understand really, yet they try the same. As Iran they think they do understand, but I can bet that 90% of Americans think Persians are like the Arabs. No they are not, yet they try.

That is a current situation we have now. It renders on a fly a set of temporary solutions with the non justified withdrawals from various mutual treaties and bonding obligations believing that it will matter. So they start low and try to work out their way up to the moment where expectation is that the "enemy" will break and react. So they can justify war infront of their own uninformed tax paying populus.
How do you justify it in the front of the internation community? Well, you do not have to if you already made a decision.

However. As of today we have only black and white narrow passages on the surface of this planet.

Black being war, meaning, it starts with a skirmish and really quickly escalates into all-out nuclear war. End point. Nobody who has survived wants to know why, as they are busy with other things mending the damage - which is also a certain mission impossible. But we are humans and we have to try even if we fail.

"White passage" meaning no war. All of the weapons we will bring down and work on "reduced if not abandoned" doable agreements - let us work together to see how and what is the best way to create a successful clean and sustainable planet and use its resources to benefit all of the countries and all of the people - not just few. In this case - those who are preventing "white passage".

So when one gathers all the pros and cons of reality what is prevailing?

Also pipe bombs, antrax, debilitating fear, evil refugees coming towards the border, Khashoggi as a puzzle, China, Russians, Iran, hackers - a menagerie of blinding lights aimed to distract and lull.
Of course it is possible to connect it all and explain it in a various ways, making it even pallatable to many - but is it really needed?
If the decision is already made.

Posted by: laserlurk | Oct 24 2018 22:09 utc | 53

Outlaw US Empire's equity bubble leaking fast as reality becomes real. The Reactionary US Chamber of Commerce opposed Trump's Trade War on the pragmatic grounds that it was totally wrong headed and would eventually score an Own Goal instead of forcing capitulation by targeted nations. Seems it was correct. Back in the day, Newt Gingrich was known as a "bomb thrower" when it came to his legislative proposals. I'd say Trump's channeling Newt in every which way. Those who voted for Trump and the Republican agenda are asking: Where are the jobs. Insurgent, non-corporate Ds are primed to do well and might regain control of the House. Just two weeks to go!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2018 22:15 utc | 54

Good rules B,I agree, but would you please bother to define the term troll, or at least describe what is a typical troll behaviour in your view.

Posted by: Pnyx | Oct 24 2018 22:17 utc | 55

@51 bjd.. thanks... i’m in transit for the next 2 weeks so this ip address i am using is in change mood til nov 6th...

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2018 22:18 utc | 56

I think Gina Haspel just wanted to get her hands on the video. Just can't get enough of that snuff oops! stuff.

Posted by: Stephen C Thurtell | Oct 24 2018 22:20 utc | 57

karlofi1 @48

oof, she sure doesn't any longer.

Posted by: wendy davis | Oct 24 2018 22:21 utc | 58


Your thanks is appreciated.

Like you, I see the world spinning out of control and the little people having little impact on the outcome. My near term fear is Nuclear War and the following Nuclear Winter started by my country.

I keep telling my Congress critters to bring all the troops home and BDS Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE to no avail. What remains is being prepared for the worst and stay healthy.

Posted by: Krollchem | Oct 24 2018 22:33 utc | 59

Just an observation ! It’s strange how the world public (espescaly in the west) get used to the brutal violence done to inocent people, but as soon the under dog fights back they get acused of being as bad as one another ! Time for the meek to in-herit the earth ! The people that do it, tend to have a misplaced sense of moral superiority ! Miss-placed becouse they never spoke out about the original brutality ! Jus sayin

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 24 2018 22:48 utc | 60

laserlurk @55--

"So when one gathers all the pros and cons of reality what is prevailing?"

Currently, the majority of the planet's people are engaged in discourse, not combat. Indeed, only a tiny minority are trying to spark a conflagration, and most of the planet's people know who they are and their native language. However, those people don't see how miniscule they are in the greater scheme of things as they act as if they speak for all humanity. Putin's quip about the American Eagle icon was an effective way to put Bolton in his place--that he offers only arrows having burned the olive branches.

Trump to his dismay is discovering the true weaknesses of the Outlaw US Empire's abilities in all spheres. He'll soon come to understand if he hasn't already that as the apprentice he is, he was set up for failure from the outset--MAGA was impossible to attain given the grossly hollowed-out state of US industrial power and its Tar Baby Pit of corruption. The only choice he has is to fire himself when his term ends.

Perhaps when they meet in Paris for the 100th anniversary of the Armistice, Putin will school him as to the great meaning of that moment and the only real choice being dialog going forward.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2018 22:51 utc | 61

Eduardo Bolsonaro, Jair Bolsonaro's son, said that durign a campaign march in São Paulo, Brazil, last sunday (21/10/2018). He called Nicolás Maduro a "narcodictator", and promissed the crowd to "free our [Venezuelan] brothers from hunger and socialism". He then completed: "the best solution to the migratory crisis is to remove Maduro from power".

Bolsonaro's threat endorses Maduro's thesis the USA is planning to invade Venezuela with two fronts: Brazil to the south, Colombia to the west. From the two, Colombia is the main concern, but there are no illusions with Brazil.

Posted by: vk | Oct 24, 2018 2:33:03 PM | 7

Looking at a map for South East US we have:

Florida (space launch complexes, military bases, underground military bases, sea ports/naval yards, submarine bases, air force bases, physical magnetic/weather anomalies that run throughout Florida peninsula., that are being researched/exploited/utilised for military purposes against own US citizens and enemies.

Looking further South we have the Mexican Gulf (which is the lower southwest end of the Gulf Stream) and it's climate is mostly responsible for formation of large hurricanes in South East USA towards the middle of the country. If Gulfstream dissipates then the rest of The City of London Cabal, with their heads being Israel's creators/boses/owners will freeze their balls of (they reside/frequent at the North East end of the Gulf Stream in Britain.). Gulf Stream modification is a major target/tool for global warming. Meantime having the Russians managing the gas/oil supply to Europe is a no no for them.

Further South and a bit to the East we have The Bahamas which are full of US Navy secret undersea projects used for war and space purposes. (the covert part of Trump's "Space Force", and the Navy's part of "Owning the Weather at 2025")

Looking a bit further to the South there is
Cuba which was/is in dispute between major strategic allegiances of the Wolrd. What I posted above sheds a new light (not really) on the 1961 crisis between USSR and the US the continuation of the Cold War etc.
Along with Cuba there is
Haiti to the East with its "strange earthquakes" and notorious weather phenomena and further East the
Dominican Republic which suffers the same.

All three states and especialy Dominican republic and Haiti are regular experimented on their poppulations by US Air-Force and US-Navy with the auspices of the CIA (the middleman) Many US State officials bennefit from this kind of research and they hold bio-medical/geoengineering/chemical patents (controlled by City of London) or simply earn their fortunes.
These people are the kind of people the Cabal at London absolutely controls, they are on the "inside" of "Life Extension Technologies", new types of research for transporation, ground breaking energy projects/gravity/magnetism etc.

Looking a bit to the South and West you have
Venezuela being also in dispute between major strategic allegiances of the World since is also a major energy producer amid a very very strategic area for US-Navy, Air-Force, CIA (which is the global enabler of the military branches) The City of London Cabal of Global Usury, (owners of Israel and The Mossad)

To the North West of the general area lays the dreaded "Bermuda Triangle" which needs no introductions itself.

The whole area along with the "Triangle" goes as a network with anomalies since known history. If a strategic partner wishes to exploit what I refferenced at start of my post the whole area is "a package".

Look how commonly anomalies are being refferenced, even here in this blog, to this random open thread:

Hey Barflies,

Just for a little levity, it seems the Condor Legion has set its sights on Northern Los Angeles.


Posted by: roza shanina | Oct 24, 2018 2:46:25 PM | 8

They are everywhere, some more strategical than others, some more conveniently grouped some not, BUT the real story is that someone has finally a BIG FAT PLAN to make all this weirdness work for their Globalisation, control system which will be abl to ctonrol from your own fingers on the very keyboard you type on to every hurricane at north and south hemispheres. In brief, EVERYTHING!

Now imagine to the South of Europe there is a nother country which secretly/meticulously the Israeli Defence Force/Mossad, (of course also) several past and present members of Israeli political cabinet, the CIA occasionally, various local officials connected to international Masonic lodges (for a reason), are all working together to turn this small unsuspecting country over to a war keeping area, meaning it can produce fast exits/entrances from there (an Israeli escape route) from all over the other way over there at SouthEastern US/The Carribean/Cuba/Venezuela but will also be a KEY POINT in the one ring to rule them all styled system, (Afghanistan being another one, Iran, Yemen, Southern India, Phillipines and neighbors.

Everybody knows the technology exists. The US does few to even hide it anymore, the Russians know it, he Chinesse know it, the Iranians know it, the Germans know it, the British (initially introduced it) so why the f@k shouldn't the rest of the world learn about it, since so many millions are gojng to die anyway?

What difference does it make?

(you can read this whole post as a little fairytale, or a small scifi post, what do I care MoA, we are all going to die anyway, for The Jews to have their little Globalisation thingie running)

Posted by: Greece | Oct 24 2018 22:54 utc | 62

Good to know your view krollchem I agree, I wish every one here was so up front, like the real world I note how many confused angry and yes devous people we see. Trickyness seems like the new fashion ! Optimistically i’m sure it’s becouse there backs against the wall.
Good will prevail !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 24 2018 23:02 utc | 63

wendy davis @60--

Funny how I failed to read into that pinned tweet until your Hello! I'd say she has it in for Maduro, but she offers no evidence to prove her assertions. Venezuela's been under attack by the Outlaw US Empire for almost 20 years now and has suffered for numerous reasons, domestic and external. Her echoing the usual taking points is why her op/ed got published despite her praise for Chavez. Anti-Venezuela propaganda's on the rise; it's doled out by sportscasters to Food Network contestants as well as the usual BigLie Media suspects.

So, I should rescind my endorsement of Golinger. Thanks for calling her out!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2018 23:11 utc | 64

I have a dream...
World Council located in Jerusalem peacefully and lovely leading the borderless world to the man made paradise. No death anymore, only love, peace and happiness forever.
This is not actually my dream, just ask zion elders...

Posted by: Vitaliy | Oct 24 2018 23:25 utc | 65


Ha, ha, 0:55.

I was just a country boy visiting in 1969 Berzerkley and my urbane 'revolutionary' friends asked me to 'be cool, man' and dial it back, when I started dancing like that guy in People's Park.

Memory Wormhole. There is no way we are going to get it together, so we might as well dance like madmen.

What's a guy gotta do to get an antharx packet around here, Lieutenant Dan?

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 24 2018 23:28 utc | 66

Last couple of days I’ve had problems with this site and Colonel Lang’s. Severe delays in accessing plus (here) greyed out “post comment” box. Moreover, both sites were bumped out of my “Frequently Visited” menu on my iPad.
Well, both sites have majored on the Khashoggi story recently.

Posted by: Cortes | Oct 24 2018 23:28 utc | 67

I have new caricatures on my site.
I know I can not give the link, but you can google it : veritas semper vincit caricatures.
I have Mohammad Bin Salman, Bolton and Pompeo, Bush's evolution , the Federal Reserve and other.
I think you are going to like the Federal Reserve and MBS.

Posted by: veritas semper vincit | Oct 24 2018 23:46 utc | 68

Good rules. I don't agree with you in many subjects but I surely love the way you offer links for your sources, so we can take our own conclusions

Posted by: Vasco Valente | Oct 24 2018 23:48 utc | 69

Copy that. Will not double post again.

Posted by: dltravers | Oct 25 2018 0:00 utc | 70

@ Pnyx | 57

I think your question is reasonable, and hope you get a satisfactory answer.

But when I think about concisely defining "troll", I think of SCOTUS Justice Potter Stewart's famous 1964 remark about "obscenity": "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description, and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it..."

Posted by: Ort | Oct 25 2018 0:07 utc | 71

karlov1 @66:

welcome, but it was on one of the tankies i read on twitter's account: cordeliers. and i dunno how many diaries i have on the lies (and some of what seems to be the truth) on VZ at my home website. a hella lot, though. golinger began attacking maduro a couple years ago at Counterpunch. gustavo dudamel has gone full-rage against maduro as well (a class thing?). and it's not as though he hasn't made some errors along the way...

Posted by: wendy davis | Oct 25 2018 0:13 utc | 72

Cortes 69

A number of sites covering Khashogi have been difficult to access at times. Not to worry.
These guys will get it all up and running again.

A couple of browsers I use have also been changed.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2018 0:47 utc | 73


The fiduciary risk to shareholders of the Climate Cri$i$ is what Don Rumsfeld called 'unknown unknown', since it depends on the thrall serfdom perpetrated on US and EU by a New Carbon Catholic under Pope Albertus Pompeus and his 97% White Male Public Dole Scientocrats.

You cannot be sued for future potential losses (or gains) when the responsibility for caveat emptor rests with the investors alone.

However, you and your children and your grandchildren can be carbon-tithed right back to the Dark Ages, at least those who survive Pope Pompeus' denialist-burnings, which is basically anyone who stands in the way of their New Energy Revelations Carbon Tithe and Tax Credits 'Scheme.

It is a given in the MSM that 'Climate Chains' is agreed on by *all* (Old White Public Dole) scientists now, and laws are in development to curtail free speech and scientific inquiry, such that any 'climate chains' denial may become a heretical 'terrorist' act and thus a felony.

It's not too much of a leap to see that trend-line towards a Rabbinical Hell of Green yarmulkeled student-diddling Carbon Catholic monsigneurs and archbishops, and a grateful Deep Purple Mil.Gov UniParty, flush with carbon tax funds for 'programs' and 'studies' with full pensions for life.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 25 2018 1:17 utc | 74

I think of MoA as an acquired taste, but that might be
me being a special snowflake.
@Mark2 : I must admit to conceiving of you as a young man,
because of the way you express yourself.
Just an observation, not a critique.
You come across as sincere, not cynical like myself or some others
that frequent this particular corner of our internets.
What I mean to say: kudos.

Posted by: Mishko | Oct 25 2018 1:23 utc | 75

@ Posted by: lysias | Oct 24, 2018 3:03:17 PM | 11

Yes, I forgot to mention in the first comment: during the same march Eduardo Bolsonaro made the infamous speech, there were American and Israeli flags being waved together with the Brazilian one, over the sound car.

It is already popular knowledge here in Brazil (among the most politicized at least) that the MBL -- one of the support groups for the far-right -- receives Soros money (if memory doesn't fail me, through Freedom House) to do their social media campaigns. The far-right also receives support from the Millenium Institute (one of the two American institutes that work to diffuse the Austrian School) alongside its subsidiary in Brazil, the von Mises Institute (which openly sponsors MBL).

It is also a very badly kept secret that Bolsonaro hired/was presented to Steven Bannon, and that he hired Cambridge Analytica.

There's also a project Bolsonaro says he will endorse if elected, that involves legalisation of guns. He visited the USA some little time ago to find and lobby for suppliers.

So, yes, the Brazilian right-wing is 100% an American subsidiary. But that's always the case since the end of WWII. The novelty here is that, this time, it is the libertarian faction of the American right-wing which is financing it.

Posted by: vk | Oct 25 2018 1:28 utc | 76

I would like aspartame to be duly noted as one of D. Rumsfeld's claims to fame,
besides that wonderfully enigmatic expression for which he is known so well.
That scheming rat bastard.

Posted by: Mishko | Oct 25 2018 1:34 utc | 77

@VK #78:
Might this have had some consideration beforehand, predictive programming
with movies such as Tropa de Elite (Elite Squad) and the Sicario movies?

Posted by: Mishko | Oct 25 2018 1:48 utc | 78

donkeytale @ 15. Yesss .. imho you are half right.

‘Crashing out’ / ‘leaving the EU’ (Brexit) will lead to a faction e.g. the ultra-pro-Brexit Tories but not only, which shows the backward and parochial nature of GB pol parties, the main ones are split on the most important issue.. using the event to crush the poor further.

E.g. they seem *determined* to kill off the disabled, scrap labor laws that favor workers, and kill off enviro. regs (not that those amount to anything so who cares about that), and so on. The effect on many ordinary ppl will be profound and nasty, and is actually already taking place. Ex. NHS has many empty jobs, about 1 in 8 or 10 I read. Extra deaths in the beginning of 2018: 10,000 - rough, I’d have to look up the details..

Such results are baked in imho. Brexit is really what you make of it, not much for some or in some sense going down the road. (I am anti-EU and would argue that all that isn’t enough to want to ‘stay.’)

Sadly many left wing ppl prefer EU neoliberal anti democratic, corrupt rule.

The left died. No scraps remain. French or for that matter Swiss Socialists, and US Democrats (to mention only some ‘main’ parties in OECD) are willing stooges in an exploitative scheme, their function is to provide some weak ‘alternative’ discourse to shore up the fiction that democratic opposition to the overlords has a *voice.* That translates to so-called social movements which are nothing more than provoked and paid for media stunts (Me-too, US Black Lives Matter, slice and dice other, LGTB, etc.) and demos that appear on the blue screen to divert, obfuscate, and fool.
Posted by: Noirette | Oct 23, 2018 11:56:24 AM | 119


Thank you for your response. Excellent analysis. I don't agree with everything you say only about .998

I completely agree there is a culling of the herd taking place, as laughable as the idea is. Let the poor fucks die and life will better for the rest of us superior monkeys is the ratonale.

The biggest morons in history were well-bred. Look at Prince William Carlos or what the fuck his name was. The Holy hairbrain Roman Emporer. Or wtf.

His mother was his aunt.

I think there is too much a tendency of people wanting to condemn certain progresses because they are controlled by the Evil Empire.

Don't throw out the good because it's controlled by the bad.

Throw out the bad.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 25 2018 2:33 utc | 79

Go Trump!

In Major Concession, Trump Will Allow Iran To Remain Connected To SWIFT

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 25 2018 2:44 utc | 80

Meanwhile B calls for more civility in the comment section.

Posted by: ninel | Oct 25 2018 2:50 utc | 81


Nice post, although this was never in doubt.

Don't do away with the good simply because it is controlled by the bad.

Do away with the bad.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 25 2018 3:03 utc | 82

@ 84 PeacefulProsperity

The US/Trump know that Iran can use the Russian substitute for SWIFT.
STFM . (System for Transfer of Financial Messages)

It is operational and will soon be the alternative of choice for all multi-polar nations.

Posted by: Red Ryder | Oct 25 2018 3:20 utc | 83

Re your service announcement: that's standard netiquette you are insisting on, which is good because people have a tendency to flout that.

Regarding the 3rd bullet point: presumably it is meant as a warning against bigotry, but I find it striking you felt the need to use an example. Why single out 1 specific example that already gets a lot of attention, rather than just use the term bigotry, which is much wider than racism, and a specific form of racism at that?

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Oct 25 2018 5:30 utc | 84

So while the rest of the world is focused on inflated atrocities, China is asserting its position on global matters elsewhere and the MSM is not listening/reporting

China committed to facilitating just settlement of Palestinian issue: vice president

When the music stops and there is a reckoning, China and the rest of the world will force a just settlement of the Palestine issue.

That day seems to be getting closer and many will say it is way past time....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25 2018 5:31 utc | 85

If there is a four by four with a post box that has a little red flag thing to signal mail having been delivered.

If it is stuck on some lawn belonging to Soros (1).

If some petty minion has to face this peculiar three-dimensional rectilinear or semi-tubular American roulette after losing at something (like life, as in much worse than me) and attend to it.

Then at what point does the SS (2) interdict the most unsuspicious (3) yet very bulky and heavy oversized manilla envelope containing the bomb?

Don't answer that, I don't actually care :)

I know they said the minion put the bomb somewhere and dialed someone to pick it up and so on but that's cutting it closer than I think anyone are willing to believe.

If that is true then were do they put all the high quality manure?

(1) And since I'm being silly why is Soros' fictitious chosen (4) name a palindrome (5)?

(2) "Secret Service" in this case, courtesy of the department of names that are oxymorons.

(3) Possibly not a real word.

(4) No, not that kind of chosen, nothing to do with al-Yehud.

(5) And why does his double palindromic initials (6) spell out SS?

(6) And his son should be really happy he isn't named something like Alexela... or maybe he is :D

Ps. I apologize but I haven't had a drink in a while and this is what happens when I'm completely sober :|

I need a solid bridge (7) with a nice view from below (8) and plenty of white rum or similar.

(7) It doesn't have to be as awesome as that Chinese one.

(8) That joke is about geolocation ;)

@ Ernesto Che: some racism is more racist than other racism and some racism isn't racist at all according to the powers that be mostly annoyed at the color white (which is all colors! Greedy!). Also maybe because Germany still has to wear a pointy hat with "dummkopf" written on it :P

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 25 2018 6:21 utc | 86

Ernesto Che 88

Looks like the third bullet point cramped your style. :)
Cranking up hatred for all jews is a buffer for the zionists. They can then cry 'antisemitism'. That Hebrews are just one tribe of the semitic peoples gets stuffed down the memory hole in zion.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2018 6:47 utc | 87

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25, 2018 1:31:07 AM | 89

Good for China. I'd forgotten the long-standing support of China, which never seems to be mentioned in the press (incl alt media). Refreshing news for a change.

Posted by: BM | Oct 25 2018 7:15 utc | 88


The Catholic Church declaimed itself as The One True Science for 16 centuries after it took over the peasants' worship of a poor bastard non-Jewish slum prophet, and created the New Temple, complete with the same yarmulkes and controlled-dissent Old versus New grindstones to flour the faithful into unleavened crisps for the Old White Men. Anyone who challenged them, Ptolemy and Copernicus and Galileo and Darwin, was torched as a heretic, as a denier.

The same Old White Men who created the Myth of Carbon from a 19th Century scientist who believed the moon had an atmosphere, when he stated, "Carbonic acid in water vapor acts as a moderating effect on temperature", and that's why they dumped Arrhenius and went with 'Global Warming' (at 0.04º per year, lol) and the faked hockey- stick temperature record, even trying, 'We are past the tipping point!' until that threatened their pipeline of government grants. So they dumped that slogan, and tried 'Climate Change', but that was too flacid and figgy pudding, so now it's the 'Climate CrI$I$', because that worked so well for Obama and Rodham in Syria.

You're are so filled with hate and lies: "it means scientists of all ideologies public agencies and cultures have looked at the science and accept it," but you are completely incapable of self-reflection, that: 1) a tobacco lobbyist and non-science politician who lost re-election dreamed up the craven Carbon Tithe and Tax Credit 'Scheme'; 2) a gigger journalist and non-scientist End Times schlock author pimped the 'Scheme' into an End Times anthem; 3) an astronomer administrative drone, whose own bunko theories of the Climate of Venus were faulted by actual probes, yet pimps the New Energy Revelations, makes $1.3M in awards from 'Green' supra-agencies, and is forced to retire from NASA, or go to IRS prison for violating the Hatch Act; and 4) old thumb-on-the-scale statistician non-scientist who invented the hockey-stick, refused to release his data and is in academic hiding begin sued for defamation by real scientists who are not part of the 97% Old White Public Drone Scientocracy.

Hey, I'll let you have the whole AGW theory, 100%. Now prove to us Mr Science, how starving 3B humans of the only wealth and power they will ever have, fossil fuels, and transferring taxes, tithes and carbon credits to Government and Corporations, and that's exactly where the tithes and tax credits will go, is going to magically restore the Garden of Eden? But let's keep on clear-cutting and deforesting for genocidal tin-pot dictators' oil palm plantations, and de-tilth for Corporate farms with Monsanto's finest teratocides and megatons of atmosphere-eating liquid ammonia, and burn more fuel in the military than the entire US yearly commute, and pave over every last Mom and Pop's quarter-acre for a moar townhouses. Oh, that's all perfectly OK with Pope Albertus, ...just as long as we carbon tax and tithe the Workers!

Got it. I just don't buy it. It's a shuck and a jive. Pope Albertus is a con artist. And none of your toadying the IPCC line and snarcing supremacy is going to silence us, the vast majority of humans who know exactly what IPCC is: Child Molesters in White Robes. New Bolsheviks. "Give me four years to teach the children brainwash the masses and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted." Vladimir Lenin

And from that point on, their carbon tithes and taxes will 'never be enough to save Gaia', they will declaim, and will wring their hands and wipe their eyes with unicorn tears and tug at the hems of their ermine robes, and point to their faked charts and videos clips of polar bears and penguins until the school children sob, ...but never mention word-one about the bankrupt $24,000B Deep Purple Mil.Gov UniParty, and where those $100Bs of loots taxes and carbon tithes are disappearing to: Scientocrat salaries and pensions for life.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 25 2018 7:19 utc | 89

I didn't know the Black Hornet was at version 3 but now I do: ZH post on it. Note that they have a link to the sales brochure on the system which includes the picture that has some technical details (easier to read the text in the pdf).

It's got FLIR as well as visual now and I don't think the Norwegian original from a few years back had FLIR. It used to have three cameras and a wider (taller) field of view if I remember correctly but never having used or held one I wouldn't really know.

I can't help noticing they've automated away the part of launching them because certain troops felt it was too fumbly or something such :P (sorry, a cheap shot, maybe they were right about that or maybe they had trouble seeing it and held it too close to their face or something (aww I did it again —mea culpa)).

Soon in your local Bazaar! Dirt cheap second hand!

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 25 2018 7:28 utc | 90

Mishco @ 77
Thanks for that ! You’v got Me, hands up guilty. Pretty old but young at heart ! a deliberate coping tactic, I noticed long ago that the older people get the more bitter they get (genraly) most people cope with the dreadful things in live, by turning away. I like to face live full confronting the bad S—t! So need that protection, I learned that from people who had suffered 300 years of crap, but still no how to throw a party !

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2018 7:33 utc | 91

@90, more unsourced blather, in defense of corporate propaganda.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 25 2018 10:04 utc | 92

Greece 40

Stopped reading your posts after the first one or two, but out of boredom and a few beers, checked out your post @ 40. Why do you put up crap like the youtube channel you linked to.
There is no video of the Turk foreign minister saying anything, no transcript, nothing.
The youtube channel itself is a junk news pro Trump yank show. Why dump this shit here

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2018 10:07 utc | 93

james 3
Thanks for clarifying in the other thread which posts were yours.
China may be the main target of Trump pulling out of the ground based intermediate missile treaty. US having the largest navy in the can surround Russia and China with intermediate missile carrying ships. Russia has countered this somewhat by mounting intermediate missiles on small ships able to travel through rivers and channels, but China not being in the treaty has ground based, intermediate, carrier killing, or in general, ship killing missiles that do not allow US missile ships to come within range.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2018 10:37 utc | 94

By the way and again only if I remember correctly then they made about 80000 of those tiny things and their lunchbox-sized control stations which they are also packed into when the first order from the US came in (this is after they had supplied some few thousands or so to the Brits). That's right: eighty thousand. I would think that was at most two years ago.

There might have only been that first order for that version (version 1 I believe but maybe it was already at version 2 despite me not thinking so).

I expect those 80000 to be phased out rapidly in favor of the new ones and some of them at least are likely to be sold on or given away or "lost" instead of ending up in the inventory of various US National Guards.

If anyone knows better I'm all ears and links on any further orders or budgeted purchases etc. are more than welcome if anyone has any at hand.

I don't know if anyone except the US, Britain, and Norway use them but I would find it very likely that many others do seeing as they had at least six offices around the globe (strange why they felt a need to be in Sweden as well). The total numbers of existing/deployable Black Hornets could easily be higher than at least 100000.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 25 2018 10:45 utc | 95

@Peter AU (88)
1. sorry, I don't get your 1st line - probably my limited understanding
2. rest of your comment re Jews I get & agree with, however that is not the point in my original comment.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Oct 25 2018 11:03 utc | 96

@ Peter AU and all: the INF is said to not cover sea-launched missiles and on casual inspection I can't see that it does so that shouldn't be a reason. The US has been sailing around the world with nuclear-capable Tomahawks for decades and the Russians have their own similar naval stuff. I also think a recent TASS news item said something to the same effect ...I seem to have read something like that yesterday or the day before.

I'm not sure if the link will work but here is the treaty over at the US site.

Anyway this quote should help clear it up:

Article III

1. For the purposes of this Treaty, existing types of intermediate-range missiles are:

(a) for the United States of America, missiles of the types designated by the United States of America as the Pershing II and the BGM-109G, which are known to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics by the same designations; and

(b) for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, missiles of the types designated by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as the RSD-10, the R-12 and the R-14, which are known to the United States of America as the SS-20, the SS-4 and the SS-5, respectively.

2. For the purposes of this Treaty, existing types of shorter-range missiles are:

(a) for the United States of America, missiles of the type designated by the United States of America as the Pershing IA, which is known to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics by the same designation; and

(b) for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, missiles of the types designated by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as the OTR-22 and the OTR-23, which are known to the United States of America as the SS-12 and the SS-23, respectively.

Those are all Ground Launched Ballistic Missiles (GLMB).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 25 2018 11:09 utc | 97

“As for the petty little world of journalism, the media demonstrates how it, more than anyone, is careful to traffic only in authorized ideas and wares; while at the same time it fosters, through its antics, the illusion of a free circulation of ideas and opinions – not unlike jesters in a tyrant’s court.” - RF

Posted by: Skindergade23 | Oct 25 2018 11:10 utc | 98

@ Peter AU: actually now I think I misunderstood the point you made about China and the US. I apologize if I did :|

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 25 2018 11:13 utc | 99

I have trying to build something of a composite simulation of what may be happening in and around the Idlib area.
It's a bit of a challenge, perhaps you could help fill in the blanks.
There seems to be somewhat of a stalemate in effect. After sparring with the threats and counter revelations of chemical weapons both "sides" backed off a bit. As a result of bussing mercenary elements from various parts of the country to Idlib province combined with a dmz around it, a kind of holding pen has been created. Turkey was prodded by the RF to "take care of the problem" in regard to disarming it's proxies in the area. There has been some doubt that Turkey has done much in this regard. There are reports of jihadi forces hiding heavy weapons an continuing harassment and interdiction shelling. We are also hearing about actions within Idlib such as assassinations, car bombs, and precision strikes, all signs of re-shuffling and actions in the shadows. I'd be various interested to know who and what is happening, although that is unlikely.
Then we have more shipments of weapons to US backed forces in the east of Syria. Borders are also being reopened. Forces associated with the USA and US forces themselves appear to be digging in while making pronouncements to the effect that they aren't planning on leaving. Counter to that the RF has upped the ante considerably with an air defense upgrade. Possibly related to this is the grounding of the F-35 fleet due to "_______________" (avian fuel tube overloads, et al). During this period of relative calm opposing forces are making more subtle moves and gearing up for the next round. What are the elements and factors involved?
On a related note I recently read an interpretation by a poster elsewhere suggesting that this whole journalist murder debacle may be an attempt by US-isreal to keep KSA from diversifying their economy thus keeping them oil based, as well as thwarting the sale of the S-400. A lighter turnout for Davos in the desert, an international raising of the eyebrow, and pressure upon MBS.
Who benefits?

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 25 2018 14:08 utc | 100

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