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October 11, 2018
Open Thread 2018-52
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Exhaustion. Collapse after weeks of relentless stress positioning. Faded yellow leaves spiraling to dank earth in chill fog. Sliver new moon. Killing frost soon. Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 11 2018 17:26 utc | 1 Alastair Crooke shows Trump’s Trade War is part of the attempt to gain Full Spectrum Dominance: Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2018 17:29 utc | 2 The perpetual invasion into EU is mostly sub Sahara economic migrants, which are not welcome. Not welcome at all. The Soros funded “save blah-blah” shit ships picking the people up in the Med are out to ruin the EU. Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Oct 11 2018 18:37 utc | 3 Den Lille Abe @ 3 Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11 2018 19:02 utc | 4 #3 Posted by: Hmpf | Oct 11 2018 19:12 utc | 5 WOW! Posted by: Greece | Oct 11 2018 19:14 utc | 6 I hope some may find this point of view on the stock market interesting and avoid losing half of their retirement savings: Posted by: Deltaeus | Oct 11 2018 19:16 utc | 7 It’s often said that Trump was “democratically elected.” But is the Electoral College, which is the institution that actually elects the president, a democratic institution, or was it meant to contain the citizenry’s democratic aspirations–particularly since Electors aren’t required to vote the way their state voted? The Wikipedia entry on this topic is very thorough, with this being the crucial sentence: Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2018 19:27 utc | 8
No, actually it was Trump, Bannon and Israel.
Posted by: Greece | Oct 11 2018 19:32 utc | 9 7 of ‘b’s posts ago he did a brilliant post on—- Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11 2018 19:39 utc | 10 @ 8: The electoral college system works, IMO, just as it was designed to. It keeps the “rabble” from gaining control of the Nation. The American “electoral” system is a joke. Posted by: ben | Oct 11 2018 19:46 utc | 11 ben @11– Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2018 20:17 utc | 12 Greece @9– Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2018 20:20 utc | 13 @1: Yout own creation? Got under my skin.. Nice! 🙂 Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPropaganda | Oct 11 2018 20:20 utc | 14 ben @11cont’d– Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2018 20:29 utc | 15 Caitlyn Johnstone announces another censorship action by Facebook: Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2018 21:47 utc | 16 Sharmine Narwani Posted by: brian | Oct 11 2018 21:51 utc | 17 Evidence of conspiracy to rig US Census to alter election dynamics uncovered! I honestly didn’t expect to find two important articles about elections within the Outlaw US Empire when I made my first comment on this thread. Reactionaries have worked constantly since the Voting Rights Act to try and mitigate its affects, which is an unspoken admission that voting IS important. Yeah, Georgia’s D candidate for governor may not be the best possible candidate; but compared to her reactionary R opponent, she’ll be much better for all the people of Georgia. Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2018 22:37 utc | 18 @ karlof1: Election fraud IS the greatest problem we face, besides $ in politics. Here is the guy who can quote chapter and verse about election fraud.. Posted by: ben | Oct 11 2018 23:50 utc | 19 What scorched earth? Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 11 2018 23:52 utc | 20 7 Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12 2018 0:03 utc | 21 Why is it do you think the Chinese Marxist government allows its workers to be so badly exploited by Apple, especially since Amerikkka is the grate Satan and China is an antidote to the grate Satan? Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 12 2018 0:18 utc | 22 @ brian | 17 Posted by: Ort | Oct 12 2018 0:32 utc | 23 @Greece 9 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 12 2018 0:36 utc | 24 ut @ 24 said;”Remember prophets and false prophets in your warmongering book are eloquently described and whitewashed too in recent times. The western ghouls all hide behind the Abrahamic texts that salaciously awaits the apocalypse. As do all warmongers who hide behind their precious divine scribbles. Posted by: ben | Oct 12 2018 0:58 utc | 25 Karlof1, @8 Posted by: rackstrawe | Oct 12 2018 1:53 utc | 26 @24 Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 12 2018 2:13 utc | 27 I don’t know what is happening in Brazil, but from what I have read from some Russians and some German geopolitical analysts it seems that the far right Jair Bolsonaro will be the key of a future American proxy war against Venezuela. The US deep state want a ”middle easternization” in South America. Posted by: Nick | Oct 12 2018 2:55 utc | 28 I don’t know what is happening in Brazil, but from what I have read from some Russians and some German geopolitical analysts it seems that the far right Jair Bolsonaro will be the key of a future American proxy war against Venezuela. The US deep state want a ”middle easternization” in South America. Posted by: Nick | Oct 12 2018 2:55 utc | 29 22 Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12 2018 4:22 utc | 30 Anton – I asked why you believed the Chinese Communist Party would allow their workers to be exploited by Apple and you responded the First World is happy to do so. Are you saying the Chinese ruling class is in fact synonymous with the US, EU and all other global elites in exploiting the poverty of the 3rd world workers even those inside their own borders? Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 12 2018 9:33 utc | 31 Official propaganda here in oz. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 12 2018 9:34 utc | 32 Anton Worter Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 12 2018 9:42 utc | 33 32 Peter keep up the good work! Ukraine IS RESPONSIBLY for MH17. I am of the opinion it was premeditated too. Posted by: Col from OZ | Oct 12 2018 10:47 utc | 34 Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 11, 2018 10:13:36 PM | 27 @ Schmoe | 27
Actually US plans to overthrow Syria’s government goes back in decades, and there were multiple attempts to do so. Active preparations for 2011 started in 2005 under Bush, when Assad refused to cut ties with Iran and Hezb.
Obama was 100% involved he just didnt want to do expensive direct intervention and rather prefered cheap proxy war with expendable cannon fodder jihadis rather than spend trillions and see the return of US soldiers in body bags. It worked for them in Libya, and Obama thought it will work in Syria and Iraq (he publicly admited they used ISIS to oust Maliki). Posted by: Harry | Oct 12 2018 14:05 utc | 36
It was Israel war, since they operated mercenary private contrsctors pro and anti Ghaddafi for the war on Lybi to start. They “oppened the market” for the ISIS operation, which is not only about Syria, but laying a peripheral buffer around Israel south and northern borders, the refugee crisis also serves them well to push locals from their permanent residences at EU so jews get to buy on the cheap later. They are creating all jewish enclaves all over Europe again, it is part of their big plan for WWIII which doesn’t just incorporate one single plan but plans with lots of options, B, C etc. Posted by: Greece | Oct 12 2018 15:21 utc | 37 Regarding Lybia, and Beghazi, one thing I don’t get, is why on the 4 victims in the Embassy one was a programmer? Probably a hacker working for some militry outfit in the US. What was there in Lybia to hack during that time? They barelly had electric service running. Posted by: Greece | Oct 12 2018 15:25 utc | 38
I bet Israeli armamanets salesmen are already heading to Brazil… Posted by: Greece | Oct 12 2018 15:30 utc | 39 33 Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12 2018 15:48 utc | 40 @40 Posted by: Hmpf | Oct 12 2018 16:27 utc | 41 rackstrawe @26– Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2018 18:06 utc | 42 @ Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12, 2018 12:22:55 AM | 30 Southfront’s published a very lengthy, detailed analysis of the Outlaw US Empire’s (in)capability to fight a conventional war against a peer opponent which should be used to augment the Heritage Foundation assessment I posted earlier. My previous comment still holds. If Russia or China had spent an equal amount of money on their militaries, their forces would be invincible. Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2018 18:40 utc | 44 Short video of Terminator prototype overcoming obstacles. Reminds me of Star Wars battledroids. Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2018 19:42 utc | 45 44 Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12 2018 20:31 utc | 46 Brazilian Army receives donation of 96 second-handed armored vehicles from the USA:
The astute Mister Rackstraw makes an ascerbic point this these ironic comments:
The first experiment in democracy was in Athens by some men in the shady part of a hill. 31 Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12 2018 23:17 utc | 49 #47 Posted by: Hmpf | Oct 12 2018 23:44 utc | 50 @ 35, 36 Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 13 2018 0:10 utc | 51 51 Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 13 2018 2:59 utc | 52 Schmoe 52 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 13 2018 3:17 utc | 53 51 Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 13 2018 3:22 utc | 54 From 51 “Just give me the journal and title(s) of the papers you claim to have published and I’ll be perfectly happy.” Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 13 2018 4:01 utc | 55 Strictly for ‘conspiracy nuts’. Posted by: denk | Oct 13 2018 4:10 utc | 56 Pepe Escobar’s latest at Asia times. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 13 2018 4:25 utc | 57 Peter AU1@54 Posted by: Pft | Oct 13 2018 4:42 utc | 58 36 Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 13 2018 5:04 utc | 59 US – Intelligence. = Oxymoron =
A more “avanguard” approach would attempt another path of translation: oxys = (Greek = intense) moron = (English = an idiot)
So..
There you go… Posted by: Greece | Oct 13 2018 11:05 utc | 60
History Channel UFO Hunters 308 Underwater Area 51 2009_clip0.avi Posted by: Greece | Oct 13 2018 11:34 utc | 61 @47 Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 13 2018 15:03 utc | 62 Just after 2016 election, several of us barflies discussed reforming the US federal government by neutering the Executive and adding further checks and balances, but we never came up with a formula. karloff1 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 13 2018 15:07 utc | 63 oh, you believe that cigarette smoking causes cancer. coincidentally enough, the advertising firm that worked for the tobacco industry to sow “fear, uncertainty and doubt” about the link between smoking cigarettes and cancer later developed the propaganda campaign against the science of global warming, after the scientists working for exxon and other fuel giants informed them that fossil fuel emissions cause global warming. giant corporations are our friends, they would never lie to us about important issues that could bankrupt them. Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 13 2018 15:08 utc | 64 @54 Peter AU Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 13 2018 16:03 utc | 65 So one of the consequences is this years MBS Davos in the Desert is done with. MBS is trying to turn Saudi Arabia into an investment destination, rather than a place to raise capital, at a time when the US wants them to be sending more dollars to the US for weapons. In other words a modern Saudi Arabia as envisioned by MBS in 2030 is not in the empires interests. Saudi Arabia is meant to provide oil for dollars and recycle most of those dollars back the US in support of the petro dollar in the form of treasuries, stocks and weapon purchases, and to provide a steady stream of extremist fighters for the empires use, and to attack other countries against the Empire like Yemen with US provided weapons and support Posted by: Pft | Oct 13 2018 21:23 utc | 66 IT WAS THE RUSSIANS! Posted by: Greece | Oct 13 2018 21:30 utc | 67 Personally, I doubt the whole narrative about Khashoggi. He was most probably spying for the Americans and Israel, hence all the sanctimonious breast-beating. Posted by: Tom | Oct 13 2018 21:30 utc | 68 Five of the globe’s largest meat and dairy corporations (JBS, Tyson, Cargill, Dairy Farmers of America and Fonterra) contribute more to annual greenhouse emissions than major oil and gas corporations including ExxonMobil, Shell and BP, a new study by the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) and NGO Grain has revealed. Posted by: Pft | Oct 13 2018 22:19 utc | 69 Schmoe 66 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 14 2018 3:46 utc | 70 This living in five-eyes is not good. Who is our head of state – the reigning president of America or the monarch of England. Much eye gouging is required. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 14 2018 4:49 utc | 71 It is not a mystery to me why people who are highly aware of lies in the media still believe in other things they have been convinced by the same media to believe in. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 14 2018 7:34 utc | 72 Pft @ 70 Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 14 2018 9:41 utc | 73 OMG, AFB Tyndall looks bad: Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 14 2018 11:32 utc | 74 Anton @ 50 Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 14 2018 12:29 utc | 75 Netherlands in ‘Cyberwar’ With Russia – Defense Minister Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2018 13:39 utc | 76 Oddly enough, the issue of Idleb which enflamed MoA but 4 short weeks ago hasn’t been much mentioned lately. World War III was widely predicted as I recall, although I could be mistaken about that, for WWIII is so often predicted by so many (along with the also often predicted US/Israeli bombardment of Iran) it is hard to separate one blogging bombardment of paranoid observations from another anymore. Lol. Turkey is now mainly in the news because of the Khashoggi Kaper, etc. Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 14 2018 13:43 utc | 77 donkey @76: I’m so smart – let me tell you what you already know. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 14 2018 20:29 utc | 78 Calm your tit$ my grandma used to say… Posted by: Greece | Oct 14 2018 20:50 utc | 79
So excuse my French. Posted by: Greece | Oct 14 2018 20:54 utc | 80 HR 1111-The Democrats and the UN Plan to Seize Control of the Government Posted by: Delmonted | Oct 14 2018 22:10 utc | 81 @79 continued …
The only item above that is open for debate is how undocumented immigrants are treated. Trump dithers on building his wall because he knows that undocumented immigrants are an economic boondoggle for small businesses. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 14 2018 22:18 utc | 82 Facebook Purge_ Here is The List Of Pages Deleted by Facebook Posted by: Ernon | Oct 14 2018 22:55 utc | 83 Kiss Idaho Goodbye: Another Major Land Takeover Posted by: Cclem | Oct 15 2018 2:54 utc | 84
About the Athenian Naval fleets: Posted by: Greece | Oct 16 2018 22:05 utc | 85 Now for the strange part: Posted by: Greece | Oct 16 2018 22:17 utc | 86 |
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