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October 11, 2018

Open Thread 2018-52

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Exhaustion. Collapse after weeks of relentless stress positioning. Faded yellow leaves spiraling to dank earth in chill fog. Sliver new moon. Killing frost soon.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 11, 2018 1:26:27 PM | 1

Alastair Crooke shows Trump's Trade War is part of the attempt to gain Full Spectrum Dominance:

"... the radical, scorched-earth leverage now being pursued in Trump’s companion foreign policy lunge is aimed, not just at returning the US to its status quo ante, but is aimed rather at forcing the capitulation of all resistance to US hegemony." [Emphasis original]

Crooke attempts to show Trump's put all his chips on Red: "But the crux of it is that when you put ‘all’ on one colour or the other in roulette, you either win big, or lose all."

Pepe Escobar on Brazil's election as an example of the "Future of Western Democracy" examined in an essay 3x the length of his asiatimes.com reports:

"Stripped to its essence, the Brazilian presidential elections represent a direct clash between democracy and an early 21st Century, neofascism, indeed between civilization and barbarism.

"Geopolitical and global economic reverberations will be immense. The Brazilian dilemma illuminates all the contradictions surrounding the Right populist offensive across the West, juxtaposed to the inexorable collapse of the Left. The stakes could not be higher." [My emphasis]

Yes, the two issues are linked. Pepe's piece makes it easier to see the strategic reasoning behind the immigrant invasion unleashed by Turkey and EU response, but it was planned by Obama, not Bannon and Trump.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 1:29:41 PM | 2

The perpetual invasion into EU is mostly sub Sahara economic migrants, which are not welcome. Not welcome at all. The Soros funded "save blah-blah" shit ships picking the people up in the Med are out to ruin the EU.
Let these people drown, when they laern drowning is the only possibility , they will stop coming. We do not want them.
The Syrian refugees have done reasonably well, intensified by quick language courses. And they have almost always kept out of trouble.
Sweden does not need more goat herders.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Oct 11, 2018 2:37:25 PM | 3

Den Lille Abe @ 3
Oh really! Is that what you think ? If that’s what you think, I hope you and your family drown too. How d’ya like that!!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11, 2018 3:02:43 PM | 4

#3

I agree with your assessment the refugees being mostly of the economic kind.

Now, why is that? Could this be true because of free trade agreements (contracts for looting) between the EU and African states, which put said African nations at a major disadvantage from the get go when it comes to developing domestic industries and, subsequently, creating decent living conditions further down South?
The answer is yes. Europeans aka the EU/Europe's main players play dirty on Africa.
Let them drown? Are you serious? Why then care about people in the ME, Russia etc.?
Stop looting Africa and these people will happily stay home for a whole plethora of very good reasons - the nice weather all year round not being the least.
But - of course, that would mean to curbing down industrial production, consumption and live style up North to a meaningful degree which of course, for quite a few, is an absolute no-go, then rather go put the blame on the victims that, indeed, is more convenient.

Posted by: Hmpf | Oct 11, 2018 3:12:59 PM | 5

WOW!
Isn't RT butthurt Soyuz10 didn't claim a casualty today!
I've been watching RT the last day going with tites like this:
"Almost like Columbia.Soyuz10" or like other titles with comments like "The Ill fated flight"
Well, RT actually it was not ill fated, and it was not like Columbia at all, because Columbia didn't know what hit them, also there were no Juice inside Soyuz carrying pathogens intended for Palestinians, I guess what else an Israel defence force personel would have a reason to board Columbia for but for illegal experiments considering pathogens right?
FIRST AND LAST ISRAELI ASTRONAUT.
Get over it. Israel won't go beyond 77 years of existance.
You know...The Curse...actually very few juice go with more than 80 to 100 years having a permnent presence anywhere in the world, IN CASE NOBODY NOTICED!No permanense. Even in whole juice communities, you will see them shuffle around.
So by the usurer cabal knowing this,they will just not let a good crisis go to waste. They will use Israel as a bait. Won't they? WHY ELSE THEY BEEN BUYING HOUSES IN GREECE LIKE CRAZY the couple last years? Why IDF indeed why? lol
Who are these people? Who really owns RT?
Russia should do something about it.

Get over it. Whatever will be, will be.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 11, 2018 3:14:18 PM | 6

I hope some may find this point of view on the stock market interesting and avoid losing half of their retirement savings:
https://www.hussmanfunds.com/comment/mc181002/

Posted by: Deltaeus | Oct 11, 2018 3:16:20 PM | 7

It's often said that Trump was "democratically elected." But is the Electoral College, which is the institution that actually elects the president, a democratic institution, or was it meant to contain the citizenry's democratic aspirations--particularly since Electors aren't required to vote the way their state voted? The Wikipedia entry on this topic is very thorough, with this being the crucial sentence:

"The popular election for electors means the president and vice president are in effect chosen through indirect election by the citizens." [My emphasis]

So, now the question becomes: Is an indirect election democratic? Democracy from the Greek means Rule by People, and the USA still falls under the definition of a Constitutional Democracy, which is also a Representative Democracy whereby citizens elect--vote--those to govern. It appears that even an indirect election is still democratic, which means the Electoral College as an institution is also democratic.

Please note that I'm not condoning the Electoral College or the USA's manner of organization and its method for electing its executives; I'm merely presenting the grounds for the ongoing debate on this issue. FYI--Wikipedia's long discussion of the College is worth reading fully, especially if you're a US citizen.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 3:27:32 PM | 8

Yes, the two issues are linked. Pepe's piece makes it easier to see the strategic reasoning behind the immigrant invasion unleashed by Turkey and EU response, but it was planned by Obama, not Bannon and Trump.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 1:29:41 PM | 2

No, actually it was Trump, Bannon and Israel.
Obama in fact tried to warn, what would unfold, in his last 3 foreign trips as president. Israeli hate for Obama though was abysmal. What else is new? Jews will hate.
People knew the plan, of what will unfold since at least 2009. One of the paradoxes of Time and Space and of consciousness and God's endless capacity for mercy for His befallen creatures.

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 11, 2018 3:32:01 PM | 9

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I added a couple of days late a very relevant web site —-
Truthstream Media Zika Virus
In case any one missed its very important !!! Please google it! Thanks.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11, 2018 3:39:46 PM | 10

@ 8: The electoral college system works, IMO, just as it was designed to. It keeps the "rabble" from gaining control of the Nation. The American "electoral" system is a joke.

Posted by: ben | Oct 11, 2018 3:46:26 PM | 11

ben @11--

For me, Trump's "rabble." As with most of the 1%, he's deplorable. It was interesting to see which constituencies were against the proposed constitutional amendments to abolish the EC as related by Wikipedia. Actually, when one uses the idea of the USA being a collection/association of individual states each voting a portion of its electoral votes for the candidates (which only 2 of the 50 follow) that's based on state population, then it makes sense--provided all the states follow the same formula. As Wiki points out, the 3/5s Clause unbalanced the electoral system and provided results contrary to what would have occurred had it not existed. Yet, my primary question still remains unanswered: Was Trump democratically elected?

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 4:17:10 PM | 12

Greece @9--

Oh, really, it was Trump, Bannon and The Zionist Abomination that invaded and destroyed Libya thus causing the first influx of refugees?! I thought that was Obama's and Hillary's crime, as was the war on Syria.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 4:20:15 PM | 13

@1: Yout own creation? Got under my skin.. Nice! :)

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPropaganda | Oct 11, 2018 4:20:41 PM | 14

ben @11cont'd--

This is undemocratic and a much larger, ongoing problem than the Electoral College--election fraud.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 4:29:54 PM | 15

Caitlyn Johnstone announces another censorship action by Facebook:

"Antiwar critics of establishment politics @AntiMedia and @TFTPROJECT just had their pages with millions of followers deleted by Facebook, along with hundreds of other alternative media outlets. Latest escalation of corporate censorship used as state censorship in the west."

Meanwhile, all the uproar revolves around the presumed murder of a Saudi personality.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 5:47:41 PM | 16


Sharmine Narwani
‏Verified account @snarwani

Some journalistic restraint, please. There's no evidence that #Khashoggi was killed or abducted by the Saudis, as of yet. Frankly, we don't even actually know that he went into the #KSA consulate, bar that fuzzy photo. Where's the healthy skepticism from the media


Sharmine Narwani
‏Verified account @snarwani
2h2 hours ago

From my personal pov, I'm happy for MbS and the Saudis to lose their global credibility over #Khashoggi's disappearance, but hang on: The Turks & Erdogan (w/ their Qatari allies) have suddenly gained a lot of leverage over the Saudis, so that does need to be recognized.


Sharmine Narwani
‏Verified account @snarwani
2h2 hours ago

From a media perspective, I'm uncomfortable with the generous quotes from unnamed Turkish officials & western intel sources that provide gory, credible-sounding details - with no proof whatsoever. If these officials had photos and audio, why aren't they sharing them?

etc
https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/1050467768036990979

Posted by: brian | Oct 11, 2018 5:51:39 PM | 17

Evidence of conspiracy to rig US Census to alter election dynamics uncovered! I honestly didn't expect to find two important articles about elections within the Outlaw US Empire when I made my first comment on this thread. Reactionaries have worked constantly since the Voting Rights Act to try and mitigate its affects, which is an unspoken admission that voting IS important. Yeah, Georgia's D candidate for governor may not be the best possible candidate; but compared to her reactionary R opponent, she'll be much better for all the people of Georgia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 6:37:20 PM | 18

@ karlof1: Election fraud IS the greatest problem we face, besides $ in politics. Here is the guy who can quote chapter and verse about election fraud..

https://www.gregpalast.com/

Posted by: ben | Oct 11, 2018 7:50:04 PM | 19

What scorched earth?

Apple's Chinese assembly factories, where workers make the equivalent of US$0.89 an hour, are exempted. Even 500% trade tariff would not achieve US minimum-wage parity, nor could US manufacturers .

It's picking the pockets of US workers, and goosing the dead VC market with all the deluded hopefuls taking out massive biz loans, even as Sears is going under.

Amazon's range of direct shipment Chinese chip products is growing unfazed. In fact, there's a chip shortage. Our group is on back-order there is so much demand for these cheap Amazon-China direct sales.

Where does the $100B in undesignated off-budget trade taxes disappear to? To a Deep State pre-election domestic psyop *slush fund and payola scheme*! It's funny money!

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 11, 2018 7:52:29 PM | 20

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All broker prognostication is hindcasting, based upon the illusion of fair disclosure a liquid exchange and a fully closed-out end of the day.

None of that is true, and even if it were, the prima fascia truth is stated,on every stock pick:

"Past results are no guarantee of future gains. You may lose your entire investment (if you're a rube)"

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 11, 2018 8:03:40 PM | 21

Why is it do you think the Chinese Marxist government allows its workers to be so badly exploited by Apple, especially since Amerikkka is the grate Satan and China is an antidote to the grate Satan?

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 11, 2018 8:18:44 PM | 22

@ brian | 17

Thanks for sharing the Sharmine Narwani comments with non-Tweeters. I don't know Narwani that well, but I think she has a point.

I find it all too plausible that Kashoggi is the victim of Saudi foul play, so I have a strong inclination to take the lurid and ambiguous accounts at face value.

But I've also struggled with the nagging feeling that the narrative is similar to the Skripal stories-- at least, the “Boshirov” and “Petrov” subplot. There's a nominally credible plot, seemingly validated by ambiguous video. And, as with Skripal(s), there's a conspicuously missing victim.

I haven't formulated a counter-narrative of what must have really happened; even though I'm a "truther"-type who's willing to go spelunking down rabbit holes, I despise the "knowing" speculation that plays like an amateur espionage-book/screenplay writing contest.

That said, to indulge in just this kind of conjecture from the devil's advocate side: it has been suggested that if the Saudis indeed kidnapped, murdered, and dismembered Kashoggi as described, the reason or motive for choosing this grotesque method is that the Saudis wanted to send a very public message to Kashoggi-like traitors and renegades.

As one who peruses JFK assassination research, I am quite familiar with this rationale; it's also made to explain Kennedy's brutal assassination in Dealey Plaza with the whole world watching. Perhaps I'm being too logical, but to me the absence of Kashoggi's corpse, in whole or in part(s), fatally undermines the "sending a message"/making an example motivation.

I can put on my wee little espionage writing hat and claim that the planners are delaying release of the corpse for a reason-- or even insist that it's actually more effective if the victim vanishes without a trace, except for gross and gory intimations of their true fate.

But to me, that begs the question. This event is still another circumstance where a bare minimum of evidence and a maximum of ambiguity fuels an, er, corpus of hypothetical explanations.

Posted by: Ort | Oct 11, 2018 8:32:03 PM | 23

@Greece 9
Nonsense, it sure was Obummer and his evil SOS 'genius'Hillary the Hun that sent wave after wave of refugees to the EU with a little help from Erdy the Turd.

Let us not mince words here Greece: you cannot whitewash Obummer and his warmongering ghouls and the same goes for dumping all responsibility on Trump and his warmongering ghouls.

Remember prophets and false prophets in your warmongering book are eloquently described and whitewashed too in recent times. The western ghouls all hide behind the Abrahamic texts that salaciously awaits the apocalypse. As do all warmongers who hide behind their precious divine scribbles.

I'm with karlof 1 here because no amount of propaganda will make me forget who are the perpetrators of evil.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 11, 2018 8:36:10 PM | 24

ut @ 24 said;"Remember prophets and false prophets in your warmongering book are eloquently described and whitewashed too in recent times. The western ghouls all hide behind the Abrahamic texts that salaciously awaits the apocalypse. As do all warmongers who hide behind their precious divine scribbles.

Agreed, and well said...

Posted by: ben | Oct 11, 2018 8:58:29 PM | 25

Karlof1, @8

Let's follow the logic implicit in abolishing the Electoral College. If its illegitimate because it not "democratic" (because it delegates authority to a chosen few, or whatever the argument is), that's certainly a defensible point of view. And whoever thinks that can amend the Constitution, but by legal means, not by screaming mobs.

But why stop there? if the Senate is undemocratic because it is unproportional, then abolish that too. By amending the constitution legally? Or shall we abolish it by brute force?

But wait, the whole concept of representative government is itself undemocratic: all laws should be made by internet plebiscite.

Finally, who needs an expensive and inefficient legal system? In the democracies of Greece, and the pre-imperial Roman Republic, anyone could bring a prosecution, and if the accuser could convince enough people that the accused needed killing, he died. In spite of that they somehow muddled through. And remember that this was direct democracy, not representative democracy. The people, the "demos", ruled directly; and in the final instance, by resort to violence.

And never forget that the word "demagogue" - connotating a leader of the mob - comes from the same root.

Posted by: rackstrawe | Oct 11, 2018 9:53:37 PM | 26

@24
I see references again and again (and then again), that Obama started the war in Syria. It is pretty well established that the CIA started this "uprising" in 2011, but the only credible article on Obama's involvement that I have read was a NYT article a year ago saying that Hillary and Nettanyahoo urged Obama to get involved in Syria in 2012, but he declined. We know he declined to get the US involved in lobbing missiles after the 2013 alleged chemical attack. Is there any link or article discussing Obama ordering the Syrian uprising, or are you arguing that the US gov't was involved, and he was the head of the US gov't so therefore responsible?

Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 11, 2018 10:13:36 PM | 27

I don't know what is happening in Brazil, but from what I have read from some Russians and some German geopolitical analysts it seems that the far right Jair Bolsonaro will be the key of a future American proxy war against Venezuela. The US deep state want a ''middle easternization'' in South America.

Posted by: Nick | Oct 11, 2018 10:55:39 PM | 28

I don't know what is happening in Brazil, but from what I have read from some Russians and some German geopolitical analysts it seems that the far right Jair Bolsonaro will be the key of a future American proxy war against Venezuela. The US deep state want a ''middle easternization'' in South America.

Posted by: Nick | Oct 11, 2018 10:55:41 PM | 29

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That one's easy. Everyone in 1st world is thrilled the 3rd world's indigents are now making $2 a day, and fecundity is falling. It fits the 'lift themselves up by their bootstraps' meme.

Chinese factory workers make $300 a month, with dormitory housing, ramen noodles and warm tea! They send the money home to keep the parents alive and homestead intact! One child, whew! Once a year, everyone travels to their birth home for feasting and family gathering.

It's the Protestant wet dream. But there is no pension and no healthcare in China or SE Asia. You see some pretty brutal schtuff when you live there. $300 is a great way to farm out their daughters. The alternative for girls is they work in the cantinas and have unprotected sex for a few dollars and end up stabbed and dumped in some rice paddy on the edge of town.

USAryan student would do well to spend a year after college living there, teaching English saving $1500 a month, a fortune. Then when they get back to 1W they won't waste time fiddle-farting around with binge-watching GoT's, they'll get right to work conquering their own empire.

Get Blue Team or die trying! Deep Purple Mil.Gov UniParty, or sell blood. This 1W triumphal exceptionalism MAGA schtuff is gonna blow. I drive by dozens of them on the street every evening.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12, 2018 12:22:55 AM | 30

Anton - I asked why you believed the Chinese Communist Party would allow their workers to be exploited by Apple and you responded the First World is happy to do so. Are you saying the Chinese ruling class is in fact synonymous with the US, EU and all other global elites in exploiting the poverty of the 3rd world workers even those inside their own borders?

I don't disagree at all with everything you stated in the comment but your first sentence is not clearly tied back to my specific question. Thanks

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 12, 2018 5:33:47 AM | 31

Official propaganda here in oz.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-11/bellingcat-probing-whether-russian-spies-compromised-mh17-probe/10362090
The Malaysian's remarks surprised observers. At a parliamentary hearing in Canberra, foreign affairs legal officer James Larsen was asked whether Russia was directly in the frame for the atrocity.

"Australia believes there is conclusive evidence," he said.

Mr Loke's remarks also caught the attention of Christo Grozev, an investigator with Bellingcat, a London-based reporting website that has recently dragged several of Russia's covert disruptions into the light.

It was a "surprising dissension", he said. Malaysia was the "only country that did not fully endorse the findings of the joint investigation team".

In an interview with the ABC, Mr Grozev said Bellingcat was now actively probing whether Russia had played a role in this public display of disunity.

The team's "working hypothesis", he said, was that the entire Malaysian contingent, or one member of it, had been compromised by Russia's spies.
.......

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 12, 2018 5:34:22 AM | 32

Anton Worter

You should go to China for awhile. Go where nobody speaks English and sit back and watch.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 12, 2018 5:42:30 AM | 33

32 Peter keep up the good work! Ukraine IS RESPONSIBLY for MH17. I am of the opinion it was premeditated too.

Posted by: Col from OZ | Oct 12, 2018 6:47:57 AM | 34

Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 11, 2018 10:13:36 PM | 27

I see references again and again..that Obama started the war in Syria. It is pretty well established that the CIA started this "uprising" in 2011, but the only credible article on Obama's involvement that I have read was a NYT article a year ago...Is there any link or article discussing Obama ordering the Syrian uprising, or are you arguing that the US gov't was involved, and he was the head of the US gov't so therefore responsible?

If only the czar knew!

As for your last question, the answer would be Yes. But of course it's absurd to propose that US troops just entered Syria on their own against Obama's will. But if that was his will, why would it be unless he had instigated or approved the CIA's meddling in the first place?

Posted by: Russ | Oct 12, 2018 7:42:57 AM | 35

@ Schmoe | 27

I see references again and again (and then again), that Obama started the war in Syria. It is pretty well established that the CIA started this "uprising" in 2011, but the only credible article on Obama's involvement that I have read was a NYT article a year ago saying that Hillary and Nettanyahoo urged Obama to get involved in Syria in 2012, but he declined.

Actually US plans to overthrow Syria's government goes back in decades, and there were multiple attempts to do so. Active preparations for 2011 started in 2005 under Bush, when Assad refused to cut ties with Iran and Hezb.

We know he declined to get the US involved in lobbing missiles after the 2013 alleged chemical attack. Is there any link or article discussing Obama ordering the Syrian uprising

Obama was 100% involved he just didnt want to do expensive direct intervention and rather prefered cheap proxy war with expendable cannon fodder jihadis rather than spend trillions and see the return of US soldiers in body bags. It worked for them in Libya, and Obama thought it will work in Syria and Iraq (he publicly admited they used ISIS to oust Maliki).

Posted by: Harry | Oct 12, 2018 10:05:33 AM | 36

Greece @9--

Oh, really, it was Trump, Bannon and The Zionist Abomination that invaded and destroyed Libya thus causing the first influx of refugees?! I thought that was Obama's and Hillary's crime, as was the war on Syria.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 4:20:15 PM | 13

It was Israel war, since they operated mercenary private contrsctors pro and anti Ghaddafi for the war on Lybi to start. They "oppened the market" for the ISIS operation, which is not only about Syria, but laying a peripheral buffer around Israel south and northern borders, the refugee crisis also serves them well to push locals from their permanent residences at EU so jews get to buy on the cheap later. They are creating all jewish enclaves all over Europe again, it is part of their big plan for WWIII which doesn't just incorporate one single plan but plans with lots of options, B, C etc.

It is Israel from top to bottom, from Ukraine to Soudan, from North America to Yemen. Israel is not a state, it is a tool for Global Domination by the British "Elite". They will sucrifice it itself as they see this can fit in to their plans. Obama/Hillary/Bill Clinton are just pawns in a game, Trump tough is in another category by himself, he has history with the Mossad.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 12, 2018 11:21:17 AM | 37

Regarding Lybia, and Beghazi, one thing I don't get, is why on the 4 victims in the Embassy one was a programmer? Probably a hacker working for some militry outfit in the US. What was there in Lybia to hack during that time? They barelly had electric service running.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 12, 2018 11:25:04 AM | 38

I don't know what is happening in Brazil, but from what I have read from some Russians and some German geopolitical analysts it seems that the far right Jair Bolsonaro will be the key of a future American proxy war against Venezuela. The US deep state want a ''middle easternization'' in South America.

Posted by: Nick | Oct 11, 2018 10:55:41 PM | 29

I bet Israeli armamanets salesmen are already heading to Brazil...

Posted by: Greece | Oct 12, 2018 11:30:08 AM | 39

33

Ni hao, AU1, Peter.

https://youtube/9rA074yXyfw

Shi bushi ta hen ke'ai?

When is AU1 gonna stop massively ag-polluting GBR and then blaming its death on AGW for some of those Daddy Gore Bucks, mate?? I wasted a ton of PetroDollars to go see than "8th sh'thole of the world' in Queensland, when I could've gone to a diver's paradise over in Sulawesi, you know, a land where Magic CO2 has had no effect yet.

“The selection of the authors for the International Ponzi Carbon Catholic’s 1.5°C epistle is the first step in the critical $2,800B a year 1W shakedown started at COP21. This special assembly of cardinals will facilitate this important encyclic by assessing the available ScienceTM and highlighting the supra-state policy schemes available to support the achievement of a climate safe tax credit bourse, and equitable and sustainable distribution of the extortion greenmail,” said Debra Roberts, Co-Chair of Working Group II of Carbon Bishops and Monseigneurs”.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12, 2018 11:48:23 AM | 40

@40

Try physics/physical chemistry for a change that'll help. The law of mass action would be a good start when it comes to ever increasing CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere and what it means in regards of the acidification of of large bodies of water. While the effects are not very well understood as of yet the direction is clear.

Posted by: Hmpf | Oct 12, 2018 12:27:57 PM | 41

@40 Anton
check mil-specs....your link doesn't work

Posted by: Wisco Hillbilly | Oct 12, 2018 1:01:17 PM | 42

rackstrawe @26--

Just after 2016 election, several of us barflies discussed reforming the US federal government by neutering the Executive and adding further checks and balances, but we never came up with a formula. Once in awhile, the topic resurfaces as it has again recently and another discussion ensues. I brought up the EC as a topic because of the oft-used talking point that Trump wasn't democratically elected in an attempt to reach a judgment. Unfortunately, not much discussion occurred. But as with determining Trump to be a Neocon, it appears he was democratically elected. As you may have read, we also have an ongoing discussion of sorts about building a Movement to overcome the Duopoly in order to finally gain citizen control of the federal government. So, I hope to read more commentary from you and welcome your participation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12, 2018 2:06:46 PM | 43

@ Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12, 2018 12:22:55 AM | 30

Thing is, contrary to the other 3rd World countries, wages in China are doubling each 10 years on average, and now it is double that of Brazil (more than US$ 10,000.00 to the Chinese, less than US$ 5,000.00 to the Brazilian). It is a myth China is the world's sweatshop simply because it has the lowest salaries: that's not how manufacturing works: you have infrastructure, many other factors that leads a capital to install industry in some place.

China is not showing the stagnation signs the normal 3rd World neoliberal countries are showing, nor is it revealing itself to be a "normal" country the way mainstream economics predict (e.g. hyperinflation).

Posted by: vk | Oct 12, 2018 2:23:50 PM | 44

Southfront's published a very lengthy, detailed analysis of the Outlaw US Empire's (in)capability to fight a conventional war against a peer opponent which should be used to augment the Heritage Foundation assessment I posted earlier. My previous comment still holds. If Russia or China had spent an equal amount of money on their militaries, their forces would be invincible.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12, 2018 2:40:46 PM | 45

Short video of Terminator prototype overcoming obstacles. Reminds me of Star Wars battledroids.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12, 2018 3:42:29 PM | 46

44

Exactly my point. Trump's 25% Fed trade tax 'scheme' cannot possibly raise equivalent US manufacturing labor wages to even $1.50 an hour. Also China is only a 'currency manipulator' because the last time they floated the renminbe, PetroDollar vampires wildly destabilized their economy. A slave receives room and board but no salary, while Chinese electronics assemblers receive enough to send home, and by living in a martial economy, they're better off than maquiladores under 8 Familias. But not much. Certainly better than Venezuelans.

Trump will continue to disappear $100Bs in unencumbered off-budget trade taxes for Deep State, just like MbS kidnapping, torturing and ransoming Saudi Royals, just like the dual-Isreali Junta in Kiev has done to the Ukraine peoole, and the smug, unwitting USAryans who Kerry-Kohn looted $50B from the US Treasury to backstop IMF loans pulled back from the now bankrupt junta.

This is the epoch of savage global looting.

Speaking of savage global looting...

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I suppose it would do no good to state my environmental science credentials and work at both Fed and State environmental and resource agencies, where one of my jobs was to read and catalogue these potted public science grant reports, then gyn up grant proposals of our own.

So let's say I wrote a research report, and I have, many times, for a government science grant, and my report concluded both the science *and the cost-benefit* did not back up the project, which it did not, then my 'science' peers would be outraged that I didn't put my thumb on the scales and hockey-stick the sh*t out of it, and they were outraged, because the multi-million dollar 5-year science grant 'scheme' did not fund.

And why should it? We are not a Scientocracy. We don't build Babylonian temples with worker tax dollars. Not yet. There is *zero* science, nor can there ever *be* any specious futurology, that can in truth, with scientific rigour, claim $28T in massively regressive government energy taxation for Corporate tax credits will magically restore the Garden of Eden. That's just bunko.

You can talk in tongues and read your tea leaves all you want about the 'weight of science', but AGW and IPCC is a rabbinical End Times 'scheme' to create a global (bad) faith-based supra-governance body, unelected and unimpeachable, with deniers burnt at the e-stake.

Also know as a New Carbon Catholic Second Gloaming.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12, 2018 4:31:58 PM | 47

Brazilian Army receives donation of 96 second-handed armored vehicles from the USA:

https://www.brasil247.com/pt/247/poder/371984/Ex%C3%A9rcito-recebe-doa%C3%A7%C3%A3o-de-96-blindados-dos-Estados-Unidos.htm

"According to the Brazilian Army, this isn't the first time it receives equipment from the American Army, which periodically make donations to 'friendly nations' when it renews its own arsenal"

The donation includes 56x M109-A5 and 40x M992.

Bolsonaro -- the next Brazilian president -- has stated (yesterday) that he will sanction Venezuela. He never touched this subject before; this came as a bolt from the blue in Brazil. This instruction obviously came from the USA.

A prelude to a new dictatorship in Brazil + a fresh invasion of Venezuela?

Posted by: vk | Oct 12, 2018 6:49:09 PM | 48

This is undemocratic and a much larger, ongoing problem than the Electoral College--election fraud.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11, 2018 4:29:54 PM | 15

The astute Mister Rackstraw makes an ascerbic point this these ironic comments:

But wait, the whole concept of representative government is itself undemocratic: all laws should be made by internet plebiscite.

Finally, who needs an expensive and inefficient legal system? In the democracies of Greece, and the pre-imperial Roman Republic, anyone could bring a prosecution, and if the accuser could convince enough people that the accused needed killing, he died. In spite of that they somehow muddled through. And remember that this was direct democracy, not representative democracy. The people, the "demos", ruled directly; and in the final instance, by resort to violence. And never forget that the word "demagogue" - connotating a leader of the mob - comes from the same root. Posted by: rackstrawe | Oct 11, 2018 9:53:37 PM | 26

The first experiment in democracy was in Athens by some men in the shady part of a hill.
(Greece is welcome to correct me on all this) They invented the idea of voting.

Apparently this had not been thought of previously because political power was detained by 'tyrants' on one hand and by 'aristocrats' on the other hand. When the idea got out then to other Greek City States, 'democracy' was widely regarded as a crackpot scheme fated to fail.

In a national emergency, in order to contest the colorful army of Xerxes, the Athenians built sea-going row-powered trirame warships and after they managed to ward off mighty Persia, this naval strength turned into a colonial powerhouse all the way from the Black Sea Coast to the Anatolian Coast, the Aegean Sea Islands, even to the Island of Sicily.

There was a temple of Delfi branch in each colonial port where silver bars were stored.
When one is rich, one has to think of a way of keeping track of one's wealth
in precious ingots. Athenians, naturally, thought themselves to be SO smart patting
themselves on the back having invented democracy simultaneous with amassing an empire.

This was the Age of Pericles where orators held forth to convince other citizens regarding matters of State. Democracy in full bloom: the original virgen democracy that's so great!

How did that work out?

The Senate voted for an invasion of Sicily to intervene in a feud between local fiefdoms.
This was definitely a: "war of choice" inasmuch as Sicily was already Athens' colony.
Sicily produced a large part of the bread eaten by the Athenians. Athens didnt have to
fight for that grain. They had some deal with the Sicilian bosses where they would get
the grain for a very low price. Nicodemus wanted the glory of victory or something.
invading Sicily with troops and ships voted for by the Athenian Senate. i.e. right from the horse's mouth (in line with sacrosanct, organic and authentic democratic procedures.

At that time, Sicily was tribal and economically could not stand on its own, Sicily had no chance militarily, perhaps this figured into Nicodemus' thinking? But a Blackhawk Down happened and the Athenian army ran short of water and were beaten in a desperate battle.

So, Nicodemus hops on the first trireme out of Sicilia, arriving in Athens at a dishonorably early time, but that does not stop him from pulling together a political coalition in the Senate to get voted another requisition for war material and hoplites, to invade Sicily again; this time to redeem and avenge the previous disaster. If my memory serves me well, Nicodemos had his ass handed to him for a second-time and the neighboring city states would say, rightly, of democracy: "I always said it was hare-brained; that there is NO WAY this scheme can work."

Remind me WHY is democracy approved of as being recomendable? Just wondering.
What was the best result that has been achieved in human history by democracy?
Who knows this?? Before eliminating the Electoral College (to me this would be like
getting rid of field goals in american football: same game, different rules). I wonder:
WHAT has been the most exemplary success of historical national-scale democracy to date?

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 12, 2018 7:06:00 PM | 49

31

Sorry to skip by you, *of course* the Chinese elites like Jack Ma are happy to have a quarter-billion chinese women working in crowded 6-to-a-dorm-room factories and shops!

They are making money the old-fashioned way -- wage slaves laboring for it! Here's how successful they are: Chinese bags pre-English-labeled and pre-barcoded 6-packs, ready to sell, for what US retail sells to you as a 1-pack. Retail just unbags and racks them. They have done this for at least 20 years. It used to be 12-packs!! The Chinese and US middlemen are raking in *fabulous fortunes* in the triangle trade between China and USArya workers! Look at their spec towers, like crystal fangs, throughout SEAsia.

And that's why you are now seeing this:

"National Security Adviser John Bolton sees China as a security threat on par with North Korea and Iran. Trade adviser Peter Navarro is passing around copies of Michael Pillsbury’s seminal warning about Beijing’s ambitions, The Hundred-Year Marathon: China’s Secret Strategy to Replace America as the Global Superpower. The upshot is that Team Trump was preparing all along for a new Cold War they saw as inevitable. Vice President Mike Pence last week gave a blistering speech on U.S.-China relations, saying “the United States has adopted a new approach to China” with the message to China: “This president will not back down.”

A new Hot Money War, is more like it. $10Ts of TBTF hot-money rolling around the globe.
China and KSA are trapped with junk US Treasuries as the yield on new Treasuries has gone up three times and probably four before the end of the year. Both China and KSA have deep government-level debt issues from over-speculation. If they both dump those Treasuries in the $Ts, the next USA Omnibus Debt Bill Three may well exceed $2,000B in a single shot. These Treasuries underpin (are back-stopped by, therefore looted from) the US healthcare and pension systems, as the last great store of free unencumbered wealth in the world.

Every month I get SS cash from the government. Not a senior housing chit, not a EBT food card, none of that socialist 'we got all your savings' crap. Cash. I get cash to spend any way that I want to. Imagine collapse of the Treasury market with China and KSA being forced to dump making Medicare insolvent, putting SS on track for bankruptcy. Imagine the impact of 10,000,000s of seniors no longer having cash for retail buys, cash for rental housing, cash for cars, vacations, everything that seniors prop up, including education. Imagine the national financial drain as their children groan to pick up that deficit.

They call that game 'Ker Plunk'. Don't let USA (therefor EU) go Ker Plunk! Extort US Treasury holders CH, KSA, RU et al, worldwide, with military threats and sanctions.
¿Esta es la epoca del mundo saqueando aqui ahora? Si! Todos!

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12, 2018 7:17:45 PM | 50

#47

Just give me the journal and title(s) of the papers you claim to have published and I'll be perfectly happy.

Posted by: Hmpf | Oct 12, 2018 7:44:21 PM | 51

@ 35, 36
Thanks for the responses, and while I agree with most of your comments, some of those reflect actions taken after the fighting was well underway that do not prove who started or authorized the fighting (eg, US troops occupying Syria ~ 2015). We presumably all agree that the Syrian "civil war' is is genocide, but my comment derived from constantly seeing someone accused of that genocide with, IMO, scant evidence.

Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 12, 2018 8:10:51 PM | 52

51

"The world’s five largest meat and dairy companies combined, including Tyson, Cargill and Dairy Farmers of America, are responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions every year than any of the world’s biggest oil and gas companies." Church of Carbon of the IPCC

Nevermind that animal feed is naturally 100% renewable, and the fossil fuel costs to process and distribute the equivalent number of vegetable calories and protein far, far exceeds those of distributing meat. Moreover, the grocery refrigerated green chain is pure energy waste for few calories and even less protein, so let's shut down all grocers!

None of that delusional futurology matters to the IPCC's pontiffs and cardinals. An epistle is an epistle! There is only the New Carbon Catholic True Science! Pope Albertus decrees No Meat Fridays from hereon, and pray three Our Superiors and five Hail Hansens, then dig deep and fill the offering plate, there's millions of public scientocrats' salaries and pensions for life to pay.

Won't you please help!? Green Jebeezus says to give it all away, move to a non-fossil tent city, and find the New Garden of Eden growing in your sh*t-stained drawers.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12, 2018 10:59:19 PM | 53

Schmoe 52

A little research and it is easy to see US does not hide what it has been doing. The current war in Syria dates back to 2004 or so.
It is all listed at sites like 'US embassy Syria', 'Department of state' ect.
US CIA have attempted various coups in Syria going back to not long after WWII, but the current action against Syria began with Bush in 2004. Hint look up US sanctions against Syria, date, and the narrative that accompanies the sanctions.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 12, 2018 11:17:19 PM | 54

51

Even though I mastered and then worked for the One-Day-Soon-Kumbayah Scientocracy for a decade, I was never chosen to be ordained. Please pray for me, father, before they chop my head off for being an educated heretic. This is a far, far better thing than I have ever done before.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 12, 2018 11:22:51 PM | 55

From 51 "Just give me the journal and title(s) of the papers you claim to have published and I'll be perfectly happy."

And you can't do it wartman. Just another fucked up yank tourist.
" I mastered and then worked for the One-Day-Soon-Kumbayah Scientocracy"... Jeez, what hallucinogens are you on.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 13, 2018 12:01:08 AM | 56

Strictly for 'conspiracy nuts'.

The 5lies....

O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!

https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2014/11/08/canadas-false-flag-terror-fingerprints-of-u-s-involvement/#more-2202

Posted by: denk | Oct 13, 2018 12:10:00 AM | 57

Pepe Escobar's latest at Asia times.
http://www.atimes.com/article/s-400s-dont-solve-indias-geostrategic-dilemma/

Escobar's opening line.. "The 2018 India-Russia summit may have turned out to be one for the ages."

I looked up some Hindutva websites a day or two back and US has now been downgraded from being a country that fights for freedom and equality, to an imperialist nation.

Trump jumped off the crumbling petrodollar hegemony, dragging the US kicking and screaming with him, hoping to land on US global energy dominance. Looks like Trump will miss global energy dominance, but while the US is falling into the abyss, they will cause as much destruction to the world as they can.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 13, 2018 12:25:41 AM | 58

Peter AU1@54

Bush told Chirac of the need to invade Iraq (and then Syria) because of the Biblical prophecies regarding Gog and Magog

Gog, Chirac was told, is the leader of Magog, and Magog is the enemy. A war involving Gog and Magog would basically trigger the apocalypse.

Bush, said Iraq (and Syria) were Magog (both encompass the biblical Syria).

Now with Russia siding with Syria Gog is said to be Putin and a coalition of states (Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, Syria) are Magog.

In preparation for this last and final war that ushers in the End Times a document that was just released by the Pentagon titled “Assessing and Strengthening the Manufacturing and Defense Industrial Base and Supply Chain Resiliency of the United States” tells us preparations are being made to fight a Great War. Basically says US needs to gear up to fight a major war that will require radical changes to American economic, social and political life. Making the economy and military arms production self sufficient is a major theme, much like Germany’s focus in 1930’s to be self sufficient to fight the coming war

This kind of has a deja vu feeling about it. Remember The PNAC and Rebuilding America Defenses in the 21st Century which would require Pearl Harbor like event to get the support needed?

To become self sufficient and being able to fight a major war (world war) would require the reversal of globalization that allowed manufacturing to flee the US. I used to warn about the security implications of this during the 90’s but nobody seemed to care when it was still possible to stop. Its would also be a reversal of the rebuilding of Americans defenses for the 21st century that Rumsfeld implemented due to his assumption that such wars would never be fought again

A quick reversal would require some catastrophe followed by basically martial law and property/asset confiscation not to mention abandoning social benefits under the current financial system.

So what Bush and his group started is being expanded by those who control Trump

All we can do is watch

Revelation 9:13-15.
It reads: "And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, saying to the with angel which had a trumpet, loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
"And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men."

So at the end of the day population gets reduced by 1/3. Who will be the Messiah is yet to be known. I dont think we get a vote.

Posted by: Pft | Oct 13, 2018 12:42:55 AM | 59

36

"Larry, NAFTA is a good deal for Americans!" Al Gore, 1998

"There is only one great threat to America ... and that is Iraq!" Al Gore, 2003

Both after he bombed Kosovo, and before they moved him over to the New Carbon Catholic Tithe Marketing Campaign.

Another inconvenient truth, Gore's a former life-long tobacco lobbyist, and boasted he never took acsingle math orvscience course. He's a pitchman for Green Jebeezus.

Another inconvenient truth, the Great Barrier Reef is a shuck and a jive sh*thole. There are thousands of living reefs elsewhere in Indochina that haven't been bleached out by Aussie plantation owners fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides. Save your money, mates, and skip GBR and Queensland, it's a Disneyland AU tourist trap.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 13, 2018 1:04:07 AM | 60

US - Intelligence. = Oxymoron =

is a rhetorical device that uses an ostensible self-contradiction to illustrate a rhetorical point or to reveal a paradox.

A more "avanguard" approach would attempt another path of translation: oxys = (Greek = intense) moron = (English = an idiot)

Having said that:

Fitness app inadvertently divulges IDF bases, patrol routes

Popular fitness app Strava publishes 'heat map' showing routes its users take while walking or jogging; map unintentionally reveals locations of known or classified IDF and American bases around the world; 'Soldiers' patrol routes also divulged,' says programmer.
Ynet|Published: 01.29.18 , 15:15

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5077805,00.html

So..
scroll down to the 3rd picture in the article:

A classified military installation near Dimona

There you go...

Is this Dimona's - IDF's "Top Secret" particle accelerator ring?

Dimona in Greek translates as The demoness, the female demon.

There used to be 22 ancient Greek towns/cities in today's israel/Palestine.
I wonder why the Greeks gave that name to that place....

Posted by: Greece | Oct 13, 2018 7:05:35 AM | 61

Brazilian Army receives donation of 96 second-handed armored vehicles from the USA:

https://www.brasil247.com/pt/247/poder/371984/Ex%C3%A9rcito-recebe-doa%C3%A7%C3%A3o-de-96-blindados-dos-Estados-Unidos.htm

"According to the Brazilian Army, this isn't the first time it receives equipment from the American Army, which periodically make donations to 'friendly nations' when it renews its own arsenal"

The donation includes 56x M109-A5 and 40x M992.

Bolsonaro -- the next Brazilian president -- has stated (yesterday) that he will sanction Venezuela. He never touched this subject before; this came as a bolt from the blue in Brazil. This instruction obviously came from the USA.

A prelude to a new dictatorship in Brazil + a fresh invasion of Venezuela?

Posted by: vk | Oct 12, 2018 6:49:09 PM | 48

History Channel UFO Hunters 308 Underwater Area 51 2009_clip0.avi
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_BC6pegWRP0

Watch till the end, this 8 min. video. Especially the french guy in the end.
Maybe Muricans gearing up to test their toys from the AUTEC base in "Andros Island" - Bahamas ("Andros" Island capital name = "Eleuthera" = Greek for "free" "female free", Andros in Greek = man/brave, very brave =andriomenos)
Connection is Jack's Questau underwater research both in the bahamas blue holes and in theAegean near "Andros" island.

Is there an "Andros" island too in the Aegean? oh yes! Very near the place 100 people died in the Mati Fire in August. Near the Vrillison Oros (Vrill Mountain else known as Penteli mountain) where Americans/israeli will try to have a base, a secret one.

Raw, raw raw your boat...or USO from Andros/Aegean towards Nea Makri/Penteli/old US Navy bases to the northwest then MAGIK happens!

Plunge your little dolphins (water mamals) from Andros bahamas blue holes, then watch the satelites, the BOOM! magick happens, dolphins transmitter appears near Andros Aegean, Nea Makri. (Since 1961)

Posted by: Greece | Oct 13, 2018 7:34:58 AM | 62

@47
the hockey stick has been replicated by numerous studies. i'd think an environmental scientist would know that. i would also think an environmental scientist would be aware that the immensely rich fossil fuel industry has captured many regulator on the government payroll.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 13, 2018 11:03:58 AM | 63

Just after 2016 election, several of us barflies discussed reforming the US federal government by neutering the Executive and adding further checks and balances, but we never came up with a formula. karloff1

No formula can prevent the rule by idiots or folks indoctrinated by think tanks maintained by special interests with deep pockets. Some reforms can make it harder, but Australia seems to be a paragon in that respect, and perhaps Australia would be incrementally better than USA in the role of world hegemon.

The only hope is in (a) the sliver of population genuinely interesting in discussing what is true and what is false, what would benefit whom -- including the majority etc. (b) increasing idiocy in the ranks of the ruling class.

I have to stress that what I mean by idiocy is only weakly related to IQ or education. Sociologically, the more dominant a ruling group is, the "objective competence" has diminishing value in getting ahead, and what increases in importance is fealty to the group think, displays of power and/or opulence etc. But when they screw up big time they may loose the following among the manipulated population. The net gain for the population remains rather random because so-called "populists" are fastest to gain. But wash/repeat cycle may eventually succeed.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 13, 2018 11:07:34 AM | 64

oh, you believe that cigarette smoking causes cancer. coincidentally enough, the advertising firm that worked for the tobacco industry to sow "fear, uncertainty and doubt" about the link between smoking cigarettes and cancer later developed the propaganda campaign against the science of global warming, after the scientists working for exxon and other fuel giants informed them that fossil fuel emissions cause global warming. giant corporations are our friends, they would never lie to us about important issues that could bankrupt them.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 13, 2018 11:08:01 AM | 65

@54 Peter AU
I am aware of that this has been a long-standing US gov't policy (I do not post frequently, but trust me, I read a lot about middle east policy). The long-standing US gov't policy on regime change in Syria, for me, begs the question of why Obama is always blamed when, as I mentioned, the only articles I have seen indicate that his personal feeling was that we should not be involved in "civil wars", although he was knee-deep in the decision to intervene in Libya. Yes, I know that he was President in 2011.

The term "deep state" is one that I despise due to its ambiguity. Is it the CIA / NSA, think tanks and their ability to hire people who start wars they advocate (Scooter Libby), Sheldon Adelson and like-minded campaign donors, Wall Street, etc.? The US involvement in the Syrian "civil war" is one case where I think that the term "deep state" could be used given it could have occurred with minimal policy review due to Saudi funding, although it is well known that HRC was in favor of US involvement and egged Obama on.

I remember watching Hardball in 2003 or 2004 and James Woolsey told Chris Matthews that we should invade Syria next, and when Chris asked why, James said "to guard Israel's northern flank". I wish I could have made that up. You are probably aware that the head of the CIA was on Charlie Rose ~2016 and said that the US should kill Iranians and Russians. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Michael_Morell

Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 13, 2018 12:03:14 PM | 66

So one of the consequences is this years MBS Davos in the Desert is done with. MBS is trying to turn Saudi Arabia into an investment destination, rather than a place to raise capital, at a time when the US wants them to be sending more dollars to the US for weapons. In other words a modern Saudi Arabia as envisioned by MBS in 2030 is not in the empires interests. Saudi Arabia is meant to provide oil for dollars and recycle most of those dollars back the US in support of the petro dollar in the form of treasuries, stocks and weapon purchases, and to provide a steady stream of extremist fighters for the empires use, and to attack other countries against the Empire like Yemen with US provided weapons and support

Posted by: Pft | Oct 13, 2018 5:23:49 PM | 67

IT WAS THE RUSSIANS!

More about East Mediteranean weirdness:
Russian team of scientists discoverthat the Great Pyramid can focus it's electromagnetic energy.

Great Pyramid can focus electromagnetic energy
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lDSp9YiKi94

In brief: load until 0:29 in the video, there you being presented with 2 different kind of heat maps, top row is for electrical and bottom row is for magnetic.
What do they measure? The environent around the Great Pyramid in Egypt, which for each map progressively from 400m around to 200m around. Both open air and ground penetration particle radar aroudn the pyramid structure.
Russian team of experts from a university partnering with some German uni team that brought the measuring equipment, or something like that.
It was anounced as a peer review in a scientific journal in last July this year.

I was watching a video about a weekly show presenting some scientific discoveries in a local chnnel from Crete and there was this proffesor of geodynamics in university of Patrae, and was in Crete been interviewed giving a very thorough and good analyses of what the Russian team actually discovered with the German team and called it possibly the biggest discovery of the 21st century, both the magneto/electrical analyses as the discovery of the new secret chamber near the grand gallery of the Cheops pyramid.
Might be the best analyses of this find at the internet currently but it's available only in Greek.At the end of the interview he is being asked: "we are getting messages from the viewers askit about what this all really means"? He then ponders a bit measuring his words and reply's something to the tune of: "Don't we gind pyramids all over the world, nowadays? What were there for? The weirdness of the pyramids both with their abilities being probed by those scientists are a testimony of the fact that we were never alone in this Universe?... We might be close enough in getting definite proof now probably"...

And the Russians (apparently) were the ones that got it right and be there first! (again)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4MIrhr_MI
Astronomical and geohpysical discoveries (unfortunatelly availabale only in greek)

Long story short, both heat maps show entanglement of electrical and magnetic energy at middle levels near King's chamber and very strong ones under the pyramid, in the alleged hidden chamber and possible corridors beneath it. The chamber which is not oppened yet but has been semi-officialy discovered, can allegedly house a large empty space as a pool in between the pyramidal base and the large artificial plane the pyramids have been build on top, the chamber could be filled with water or as suggested...with mercury. There are also strange protrusions near and closely under the pyramids that show some kind of apparatus/scheme design incorporated in to the floor stones outside and around the pyramid that could be former pippeing or open air ditches for water (or possibly mercury after following some unknown alchemical process) to flow under the structure and fill the chamber/s. Mercury has very special electrical and magnetic properties and since it acts like a liquid metal, it can lend a electrical/magnetic vortex to the environment around it if charged with some kind of a way. If the pyramid can create such enormous fields with some kind of forgoten techniques then it would create a huge vortex underneath that could also influence the potential inside the structure creating a feedback loop.

What this could be used for. Well, bending time and space. Acting as a type of a quantum/magnetic/electric trap to harness or attract any energy/data movement from one energetic vortex in the vicinity (several hundred miles around the pyramids) to the other, possibly intercepting it and voila, if yu have someone sneaking around through the quantum field corridor arund the earth, once you were close to Egypt, you found yourself locked in to quenns or Kings chamber. lol. Or and space/aetheric travel/ informaion transmision/reception to and from somewhere else.

Maybe the way the insides of the Great Pyramid was being artificially lighted also discovered by the scientists discovery.

Inside the large pyramid we can also find carvings of apparatuses that look like electrical laps and cabling,if we consider Tesla's work on open air energy fields and his famous lambs with no cables we can undesrstand very well that with the Russian scientists discovery that if the ancient Egyptians had somehow the ability to manufacture the kind of lambs it is depicted in the walls, there would be powering them inide the pyramid by the great electro/magnetic field that would accumulate inside the pyramid during some kind of operations unknown to us yet. So there WOULD BE LIGHT!
Inside any of the 3 pyramids there is no evidence of any type of mterial that could be used for lighting the corridors and chambers.

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This unrelated with the discovery video, ponders about the strange carvings depicting possible lighting apparatuses inside the pyramids.
Did Electricity Exist In Ancient Egypt? The Evidence...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lagy_VAgHBg

The details about the teams discovery are also available in these links:

Independent.co.uk - 31 Jul 2018 - The Great Pyramid of Giza may be able to focus electromagnetic radiation into pockets of energy...

Express.co.uk - 31 Jul 2018 - The Great Pyramid of Giza had the ability to concentrate electromagnetic energy through its chambers...

Dailymail.cok.uk - 30 Jul 2018 - Scientists have found that the Great Pyramid of Giza can concentrate electric and magnetic energy in...

Well, aren't those 3 internet tabloids also to first break the Soyuz malfunction news day before yesterday? well... Maybe, but you see these are 3 outlets controlled by you know who, and very keen on anything Russian scientists have a breakthrough or a missfortune at a strategic level... Yes! They break it first!

Am I right, or am I right?

Is this relevant? Maybe yes and maybe no!

Posted by: Greece | Oct 13, 2018 5:30:24 PM | 68

Personally, I doubt the whole narrative about Khashoggi. He was most probably spying for the Americans and Israel, hence all the sanctimonious breast-beating.

Posted by: Tom | Oct 13, 2018 5:30:52 PM | 69

Five of the globe's largest meat and dairy corporations (JBS, Tyson, Cargill, Dairy Farmers of America and Fonterra) contribute more to annual greenhouse emissions than major oil and gas corporations including ExxonMobil, Shell and BP, a new study by the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) and NGO Grain has revealed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2018-07-meat-dairy-industry-track-surpass.amp

So whats alternative food look like?

Posted by: Pft | Oct 13, 2018 6:19:58 PM | 70

Schmoe 66

Thanks for reply and apologies for my tone in post 54.
Deep state vs US presidents. One thing US presidents have in common is their belief in US exceptionalism, which Obama voiced.
My view is that Obama was a snake in the grass, lead from behind type. He did not start the war against Syria, but was all for it and took it to the kinetic war level vs war of words and finance of previous admin.
I generally look at US presidents personal vitriol toward other states in the public announcements and speeches. Obama had a.lot of personal vitriol towards all other countries leaders that did not believe in American exceptionalism. The US (and 'allies')attack on Deir Ezzor was a hallmark of the Obama Kerry snake in the grass leadership style.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 13, 2018 11:46:22 PM | 71

This living in five-eyes is not good. Who is our head of state - the reigning president of America or the monarch of England. Much eye gouging is required.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 14, 2018 12:49:55 AM | 72

It is not a mystery to me why people who are highly aware of lies in the media still believe in other things they have been convinced by the same media to believe in.

I can make and previously have made that mistake as badly as anybody :)

As for everything else I guess it's a bit too optimistic to think that it will conclude this coming week.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 14, 2018 3:34:34 AM | 73

Pft @ 70
Re- dairy farmers contribute more to green house gas’s than oil company’s!! No no no ! Classic miss-information!
The food live stock eat is basically stored up carbon, sequsted from the atmosphere over a very short time. From atmosphere to plant to animal back to atmosphere! Hence carbon nuitrial. A cycle lasting only months or a year or two. Compare that to mineral oil stored in the ground for millions of years, that oil comes from pre historic forest, from the beginning of plant live on Earth ! Before plant live our atmosphere would have been hostile to animal live (including human kind) By releasing this carbon in to the atmosphere we are completing a cycle back to that poisonous atmosphere!!
It’s that simple.
In fairness it has to be said that, the more livestock we keep the more forest we cut down and replace with grasing pasture the solution is simple to plant a lot more trees,that then would completely return the carbon balence of the livestock.
The released carbon from mineral oil onece in the atmosphere is a man made alteration putting us back to a time when live on Earth was too hostile
To sustain animal life (that’s us) we become extinct and the process starts again.
For our children’s sake that’s not good !
On a positive note I love and look forward too your posts huge credibility, but it shows we all can be cought-out by there incideous propaganda/lies.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 14, 2018 5:41:43 AM | 74

OMG, AFB Tyndall looks bad:

https://sputniknews.com/us/201810141068871178-f-22-jets-hurricane-michael/

Those 2 videos, it's unbelievable. And what's with all the trailers there, did staff at the base live in them?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 14, 2018 7:32:02 AM | 75

Anton @ 50

Exactly my point, and I think you allude also to the fact that as Chinese working class wages rise, the Chinese are also offshoring those jobs to Sri Lanka and other even more poverty stricken SE Asian countries where the wages are but a fraction of Chinese wages.

China is a global capitalist country ontrolled by wealthy elites inside and outside the Comunist Party, hidden under a veneer of marxist socialism.

They are making money the old-fashioned way -- wage slaves laboring for it! Here's how successful they are: Chinese bags pre-English-labeled and pre-barcoded 6-packs, ready to sell, for what US retail sells to you as a 1-pack. Retail just unbags and racks them. They have done this for at least 20 years. It used to be 12-packs!! The Chinese and US middlemen are raking in *fabulous fortunes* in the triangle trade between China and USArya workers! Look at their spec towers, like crystal fangs, throughout SEAsia.

And the Communist Party bosses including Xi, or more accurately Xi's "close friends and close relatives" are unpacking immense personal wealth into offshore tax havens, including the one that feels safest to them, the Delaware "limited liability corporation," AKA a shell company.

Ironically, this is the same route favored by Trump's favored Russian moneymen. Oh, and also how he paid off Ms. Stormy, among others.

“In every state in the US, you can incorporate an LLC – [a limited liability company] – or another legal entity and you don’t have to disclose who the beneficiary on it is. In fact, Delaware is so synonymous with anonymous companies and ghost corporations that it was named in Transparency International’s Unmask the Corrupt campaign as one of the most symbolic cases of corruption.”

More than one million LLCs set up in Delaware alone.

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 14, 2018 8:29:02 AM | 76

Netherlands in 'Cyberwar' With Russia - Defense Minister
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201810141068874818-netherlands-russia-cyberwar/

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14, 2018 9:39:50 AM | 77

Oddly enough, the issue of Idleb which enflamed MoA but 4 short weeks ago hasn't been much mentioned lately. World War III was widely predicted as I recall, although I could be mistaken about that, for WWIII is so often predicted by so many (along with the also often predicted US/Israeli bombardment of Iran) it is hard to separate one blogging bombardment of paranoid observations from another anymore. Lol. Turkey is now mainly in the news because of the Khashoggi Kaper, etc.

Ironically, this also the Donald's tactical social media approach, stacking one paranoid observation atop another until nothing specific can be pinned to him as everything he spouts simply becomes another round in an ongoing blur of infotainment.

October 15 (tomorrow, if you are scoring at home) was the deadline for the creation of a demilitarised zone and the voluntary exodus of terrorists from Idleb. Reportedly, few if any terrorists have left to date.

However, an update from Sputnik today states the terrorists have partially removed the heavy weaponry.

A few days ago Tass offered this quietly dialed-down assessment of the current situation which seems to infer not much happening on the Idleb front anytime soon.

Or maybe this is just the rhetorical calm before the storm?

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 14, 2018 9:43:19 AM | 78

donkey @76: I'm so smart - let me tell you what you already know.

donkey has discovered that Russia and China have adopted capitalism. Oh and they have issues with crony corruption that comes along with that. Now he can't stop pointing his finger at them: THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT than Western elites!! Except that they are different. AFAICT, they aren't hell-bent on ruling the world. And, for all practical purposes, they could never do that because the Anglo-Zionist-Wahabbi Empire is too entrenched.

donkey refuses to see the difference (yeah, I've tried). That's why I see him as an AZW shill trolling for the Empire.

The 'tale' donkey offers to us stinks. The new Cold War is all about a future world order that is uni-polar or multi-polar. Citizens of each country or will have to grapple with the political-economic structure in their home countries.

donkey @78: You guys are stoopid.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 14, 2018 4:29:35 PM | 79

Calm your tit$ my grandma used to say...

Operation is still in process...

Mr. 666 (J.Kushner) who ons AirBnB (51% of stocks) making sure all AirBnB transactions in Greece/Western Turkey/Southern Bulgaria are properly for housing of favorable Saudi/Mossad jihadists (jewhadists) that raise the rents and create more social pressure as now low rents for poorer families and students are impossible to find in major Greek cities (since most of "refugee" influx is now directed towards Evros from Turkey to Greece, Macedonia region (Not the FYROM/Skopje pseudo-Macedonia) and Western Thrace which consist Northern Greece) and borders for the refugee influx towards rest of europe from Northern Greece are firmply closed. A greater jihadist army (former Aleppo/North damascus/Latakia/ and now slowly Idlib) is currently accumulated inside Greece's borders, with the IDF (read Israeli defence Force) and major israeli property holders buying whole buildings/block on the cheap capitalising through the current crisis (with the help of Donald Trump's son in law J.Kushner major stake holder of Airbnb) in Athens and other major cities in Greece, a situation which practically has forced to a tsunami of new evictions of already indebted families strugling to make ends meet, the situation is slowly reaching a boiling point where couled with EU instability and a major financial crisis in the horizon, will ignite chaos in Greece that will spread through the Balkans and pit the conniving Turks at war with the Russians, while they close the Aegean and Bosporus for maritime traffic AS IT WAS PLANNED ALL ALLONG!

We are getting there son...be patient.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 14, 2018 4:50:29 PM | 80

Oddly enough, the issue of Idleb which enflamed MoA but 4 short weeks ago hasn't been much mentioned lately. World War III was widely predicted as I recall, although I could be mistaken about that, for WWIII is so often predicted by so many (along with the also often predicted US/Israeli bombardment of Iran)

...

Or maybe this is just the rhetorical calm before the storm?

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 14, 2018 9:43:19 AM | 78


So excuse my French.

When we will start hearing for incoming martial law in Greece by all means IRAN SHOULD START HEADING FOR THE BUNKERS!

Mark my words.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 14, 2018 4:54:26 PM | 81

HR 1111-The Democrats and the UN Plan to Seize Control of the Government

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/hr-1111-the-democrats-and-the-un-plan-to-seize-control-of-the-government/

Posted by: Delmonted | Oct 14, 2018 6:10:52 PM | 82

@79 continued ...

I anticipate that donkeytale will respond by saying that he is advocating for political engagement just as I urge in my comment @79, while I (Jackrabbit) have argued for not participating.

Thus, some clarification is appropriate.

The US political system runs on money and is designed to work for the establishment. Famous recent betrayals by faux populists (Trump, Obama, Sanders) prove this to be true.

The US political duopoly (aka "war party") agree on a number of things that ordinary citizens will NEVER be allowed an opportunity to change:

>> An aggressive military posture with hundreds of overseas bases and high expenditures;

>> The plutocracy, with high income inequality and tens of millions of foreign 'guest workers' (which we call "undocumented immigrants" in the US);

>> Absolute support for Israel and close alliances with dictators and monarchs;

>> A security/police state with militarized police forces (given military equipment and trained in Israeli police tactics), millions in prison (much more than in any other developed nation - often termed the prison industrial complex), and pervasive surveillance;

The only item above that is open for debate is how undocumented immigrants are treated. Trump dithers on building his wall because he knows that undocumented immigrants are an economic boondoggle for small businesses.

MoA readers know that this hairball of corruption and wasteful spending revolves around the imperial ambitions of a 'globalist' elite that is hell-bent on a "New World Order" via US hegemony (a "uni-polar" world).

Any hope of changing this "regime" via the Democratic Party is foolish. Change will come only by popular Movements that reject the contrived political system altogether.

When donkeytale argues for joining with the Democratic Party while throwing shade on the practices of Russian and Chinese elites, he is trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Because he thinks you're stoopid.

Don't be stoopid.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 14, 2018 6:18:23 PM | 83

Facebook Purge_ Here is The List Of Pages Deleted by Facebook

http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/facebook-purge-here-is-the-list-of-pages-deleted-by-facebook/

Posted by: Ernon | Oct 14, 2018 6:55:36 PM | 84

Kiss Idaho Goodbye: Another Major Land Takeover

https://govtslaves.info/2018/10/14/kiss-idaho-goodbye-another-major-land-takeover/

Posted by: Cclem | Oct 14, 2018 10:54:28 PM | 85

Posted by: Guerrero | Oct 12, 2018 7:06:00 PM | 49

About the Athenian Naval fleets:
There was already a plethora of fleets (merchant fleets) from many city states - island/city states, some island/coastal city states also being way out of the "traditional" routes that are veing accepted by modern academia.
Academia won't even touch how rare earths and various metals/minerals esential for metalourgy and ornaments magickaly found their way to Aegean/Ionian/classical Greece's mainland workshops from all the way from China, modern Pihlipines, South America etc etc etc.
No one will mention the pentecontors, like trerenes but flagships able to carry 5.000 people onboard. Greek/Egyptian Ptolemaic dynasty had those.
People though that modern US carriers were the first able to transport 5000 military for war operations? These ships had 3 large towers each and it was practically able for self defence against aerial targets, but that's another story, easily would be able to make way towards modern Argentina, Brazil, Hawaii.
Democracy was invented only in Athens and practically it's life span was not more than 100 years tops - if you add the timelines democracy somehow existed in Athens - all together. Greeks really excelled at other things than democracy itself although they invented it. Well they invented dictatorship too but nobody talks about that.
Democracy really doesn't work, but the modern alternatives are nightmarish to say the least.
Democracy happened because Athens had a plethora of tribal villages, scattered around Athens and nearby islands. To convince them to align together in common navy/military against much smaller but very disciplined Spartans was difficult. Thus they "sold" them Democracy. In reality Athenians rellied on taxes from abroad, colonies or sovereign city states that once were rivals and lost a battle to Athenian navy/army once. Then a tax would be setgtled and a local guard from Athens and sometimes also governors would be assigned. Ionians (Minor Asia-modern Western Turkey looking towards the Aegean sea) solved that buy being allied with the Persians. They payed in fact smaller tax to Persian delegations than the Athenians themselves. Many inonians also migrated in to Persia, and found other Greek city /states in almost several different states of decay much eastern than Persia, brought there from former campaigns lost in the ages all the way since Atlantis. Many different sentient species were identified and categorized, even and mostly in Alexander's campaign, but those have been kept secret/stolen/missing mostly initially by Latin and later by the Latin/British/Bavarian secret governing cults spread throughout Europe..

Posted by: Greece | Oct 16, 2018 6:05:21 PM | 86

Now for the strange part:
If you go and search for "kapustin yar ufo's" in Youtube, (since i cannot link you to my earlier post since b deleted it because "someone else" complained about irrelevancy postings - "discrediting" MoA's blog allegedly) you will get one with Stanton Friedman among others (but most noted researcher) and pay attention to the vehicles being depicted in the sketches, allegedly captured with some means and were dropping aroiund the base's ranges, sometimes on topof their heads. lol. You will see some weird lettering resmebling ancient hellenic. What these are are in fact Greek letters but it seems it is militry numbering identifieng each different ship of its type. It doesn't seem to be put in there by the Russians themselves but from whichever entity built them and by all means piloted them. These are in many cases Arcadian/Korinthian style numbers. This is a runaway civilisation.There must be at least 2 or 3 of those around.
That was a bonus post ince you asked about Athens and stuff.

Posted by: Greece | Oct 16, 2018 6:17:35 PM | 87

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