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October 11, 2018
Saudis Must Cough Up Billions To Settle Khashoggi Case

The Khashoggi case, discussed here, will be moved off the news pages even faster than assumed.

A CNN correspondent just tweeted this:

Alexander Marquardt @MarquardtA – 16:44 utc – 11 Oct 2018

Erdogan spox: "At the request of Saudi Arabia, a joint working group will be established to uncover the events surrounding Jamal Khashoggi."

Translation:

Erdogan spox: "Our Sultan received a sufficient down payment to start negotiating about the burial of the case."

Prediction:

Erdogan will use the 'joint working group' to squeeze as much as he can out of the Saudis. (A deal may even include a political settlement of the Saudi blockade of Erdogan's sponsor Qatar.)

Yesterday 22 Senators signed a request to Trump to investigate the Khashoggi case under the Global Magnitsky Act. The Trump administration has 120 days to finish the investigation and to report back to the Senate. Any person or organization found to be involved in the kidnapping and possible murder of Khashoggi could then come under U.S. sanctions.

Those 120 days are the time-frame for Erdogan to use the thumbscrews the Saudi fuckup in its consulate in Istanbul handed him. The Saudi clown prince Mohammad bin Salman will get squeezed like never before. It will cost him billions to purchase the video of the Khashoggi killing the Turkish government claims to have.

Erdogan will not be the only one to profit from the issue. The Senate move gives Trump enormous leverage over the Saudis. He will use it.

Trump loudly claimed that he personally closed a $110 billion deal in which the Saudis purchase more useless weapons. There never was a 'deal', only some non-binding letters of intent.

The Saudis have been reluctant to follow through. They did not pony up the $15 billion for the U.S. made THAAD missile defense systems Trump 'sold' them and even talked with Russia about buying the much cheaper and better S-400:

According to The Washington Post, among the agreements still up in the air is the $15 billion purchase of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System [THAAD], made by US defense contractor Lockheed Martin.

In a sign of Trump's continued emphasis on arms sales as a component of US foreign policy, White House senior adviser and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner personally intervened with Lockheed to secure a 20% discount for the air-defense system.

Yet Riyadh let a September 30 deadline to wrap up that purchase come and go, according to The Post.

The new sales-pitch is easy to see. Either MbS buys the THAAD and other useless systems (without discount), or the investigation Trump has to pursue will reluctantly find MbS involved in the Khashoggi case. That would put MbS and his assets within the U.S. under sanctions. The Saudi King would have to replace MbS as clown king and successor.

Others will also try to gain political profit from the case. Netanyahoo will request that the investigation under the Global Magnitsky Act finds that Iran is guilty of the murder. Others will want to blame Russia. Was it a GRU cyberattack that hindered the Saudi consulates CCTV from recording the events while Qasem Soleimani slipped into the Saudi consulate and novichoked Khashoggi?

That might sound far fetched or even crazy but we have been here before. When in December 1988 Pan Am Flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie it was quite obvious that it was a revenge act for the July 1988 murder of 290 people on board of Iran Air flight 655 by the U.S. navy. But the investigation was fudged and in the end it was politically most convenient to blame Libya's Ghaddafi for the Pan Am disaster even while he had nothing to do with either incident.

But whatever.

Deals will be made and the case will be buried. If the deals are good enough, several dozen billions will be required, the U.S. might even allow Mohammad bin Salman to stay in his position.

But King Salman, or some Saudi citizens, may well find that the various crazy endeavors MbS tends to launch – the war on Yemen, the Qatar blockade, the Khashoggi assassination – are becoming way too costly for the country. A simple unlucky home accident could solve that problem.

Comments

If Khashoggi indeed had the presence of mind to turn on his Apple watch recording and it got sent to the cloud; MbS is scrooed and so is Trump who’s been protecting him. I really hope that’s the case. DAMN THEM BOTH AND JARED 666.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 13 2018 0:46 utc | 101

U.S. may not be about to abandon Saudi, but it may be about to abandon bin Salman.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 13 2018 0:56 utc | 102

Cool down! We had TWO GRU murderers walk into Salisbury, with no CCCTV ecidense yet that they were near Skripal’s house, and no evidence from his house , which surely must have under surveillance. Do you believe this? OK you believe the official story too.
And apart from that, Kashroggis probable demise is all cool, as he was a head chopping advocate, a Wahabistst. Fuck him . Wahabists go in Class on camps which has on the entrance “Arbeit mach frei” which of course is a general lie, but the whe get to kill them in a humanely way (see instruction manual from CiA)
Or you just shoot them in the chest, less smatter and more blood. Headshots are messy, stuff everywhere., sometimetimes, if you accidentially hit a weak point in the cranium , you have brains everywhere , dont wan’t that.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Oct 13 2018 2:10 utc | 103

So where is the evidence? You say you have an apple watch recording? Prove it, show is a snippet. Doesnt have to be graphic or even disturbing. Until then I call BS on this. And make sure thr oroduction quality is better than the UBL confession tapes or Pentagon plane

Posted by: Pft | Oct 13 2018 2:25 utc | 104

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 12, 2018 8:19:41 PM | 100

That video was taken by his Apple watch

Apple watch does not have an on board camera, but can link to an iPhone and use its (iPhone’s camera):

The Apple Watch, clearly, packs a lot of features into a small package. But here are five things it doesn’t have:

The Watch can display favorite photos from a Mac or iPhone, but it doesn’t have its own built in camera.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2605140/5-things-the-apple-watch-can-and-cant-do.html

No, the Apple Watch does not have a camera, so you can’t take photos with it. There is a built-in app, Camera Remote that allows you to connect to your iPhone’s camera.
https://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/974233

Posted by: jsb | Oct 13 2018 3:15 utc | 105

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 12, 2018 8:19:41 PM | 100
Take that with a huge (huuuge) grain of salt. The Apple watch can not record video, and certainly not stream it to a paired iPhone that is not close the the watch. And the iPhone is seemingly outside of the building, well out of reach of bluetooth / WIFI.

Posted by: Philippe | Oct 13 2018 3:17 utc | 106

DontBelieveEitherPropaganda:
Sorry for the repetition in my comment @ 80, I was typing fast, didn’t re-read it. I should’ve said the DIA might have been unaware that the case of cash or drugs they carried on board the Pan Am jet had a bomb smuggled inside.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 13 2018 3:52 utc | 107

Sorry I did not past part of my other post @105.
Even though the Apple watch does not have an on board camera, an optional Apple Watch strap does have two cameras (one front-facing and one outward-facing cameras) produced by an Israeli start-up company: Glide. If Khashoggi had this strap then yes it could record video/pics, but no otherwise (think about who (Israel) is involved in this incident, if this is true):

A new Apple Watch strap would put cameras on your wrist
Glide, a company known for its messaging software rather than for hardware, says it is stepping up to fill that void. The Israel- and Bay Area-based startup is building CMRA, a smartwatch strap that adds both a two-megapixel selfie cam and an eight-megapixel shooter for capturing what is in front of the watch wearer.
https://www.recode.net/2016/11/2/13489812/glide-camera-apple-watch-strap
https://mashable.com/2016/11/02/apple-watch-camera/#Zre6mvAmjmqT

Posted by: jsb | Oct 13 2018 3:53 utc | 108

Apple watch? — possible. Buckets of blood and gore down the sewage system is more likely — assuming the KSA hit squad (if there was one) had not planned that far ahead.
Otherwise it’s vacuum-sealed plastic pet-food bags in diplomatic pouches; or a burka tent or other disguise and on the plane home; or laying beneath a new cement floor in the embassy basement. It’s certainly an economic hit squad on Saudi regime finances.
Funny how they have to pay for their US military equipment (wanted or not) on a “2-weeks” regime-gone fuse while Israel gets unlimited donations and likely recycles much of the loot back to USA as political donation funds etc. Anyone done a “follow the money trail” systems check on the likely KSA-USA-Israeli nexus triangle?

Posted by: imo | Oct 13 2018 4:35 utc | 109

Posted by: Philippe | Oct 12, 2018 11:17:49 PM | 106

well out of reach of Bluetooth / WIFI.

Bluetooth modern range (100-200 feet, more in the WIFI range), however if one thinks about it — especially WIFI tethering — which Khashoggi had two phones; one for recording and one for WIFI tethering then this all makes sense:

Buried inside most smartphones is a capability that few people take advantage of but that I have come to rely on more and more: the ability to turn the phone into a Wi-Fi hotspot.

Using a phone hotspot can increase your security profile by letting you avoid the use of insecure public hotspots in coffee shops and hotels. At the phone end of the equation, it’s just as secure and private as making a phone call or web surfing with your phone, because LTE data traffic is generally encrypted using the Snow Stream cipher.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2499772/mobile-wireless/how-to-use-a-smartphone-as-a-mobile-hotspot.html

http://www.bitstorm.com/wi-fi-range/

Posted by: jsb | Oct 13 2018 4:39 utc | 110

This seems well co-ordinated.
The BBC, Guardian giving it lots of attention.
Even the UN Sec-Gen has statement on it.
A lot of attention compared to lots of deaths in Yemen, for example.
Something is afoot. But what?

Posted by: jiri | Oct 13 2018 5:34 utc | 111

Not sure if the video was from his Apple watch; I was referring to the audio feature and audio recording that the Turks say is in their possesion. Who knows, maybe he got the watch ever since he left SA to live in the U.S. when he started to feel threatened as a precaution and upon entering the Saudi Consulate activated the audio feature. It makes sense he would do that if he felt insecure and wanted to record a potential threat. Little did he know he would be more than threatened.
Lemme put it this way. If one of you had that watch and someone was threatening you, wouldn’t you activate that feature?
There is however another possibility. If the Turks don’t want to admit they were secretly spying on the Saudis; and they learned from his fiancee that he was wearing an Apple watch, they could be using the watch capability to hide the fact that they were spying on the Saudis and recording everything.
The reason the Turks are leaking in dribs and drabs is because they want the U.S. or International community to condemn and sanction the Saudis since the have too much at stake to do it themselves and Erdogan has no moral high ground to stand on. If however they keep playing this game they’re going to end up giving Trump and everyone who is allied with the Saudis a way out.
The Turks better put the recordings out there and they better do it soon! ONLY the recordings will have the impact needed to change public opinion drastically against the Saudis. The public outcry will be such that the UK, Canada, France and Germany will turn against the Saudis and this will leave Trump isolated in his refusal to sanction them. Congress may not let him get away with it. This is paramount right now because of what the Saudis are doing in Yemen. The best outcome would be if MbS was refused entry into the EU, maybe even the U.K. and they issue an arrest warrant. I doubt Congress would go that far.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 13 2018 6:20 utc | 112

@111
Who cares right now what drives the International Community to turn on the Saudi criminals. If Khashoggi’s m.urder is the catalyst, then praise the Lord!! Let’s just say that if they did what is strongly suspected they did to Khashoggi, then the entire world will see them for the butchers they really are! No one will be able to deny what and who they are! All their actions will be scrutinized henceforth with good reason.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 13 2018 6:32 utc | 113

What hypocrisy on display by the US. Unfuckingbelievable. Such concern for a journalist, such outrage!
There is currently a case working its way through the court system (here in the US) brought by two journalists, one of them an American, where they are pleading to have their names removed from the US “kill list”. They say their inclusion on the list is erroneous, and ask that they be given a chance to show that they are not, in fact, terrorists before a drone blows them into pieces. They are represented by Reprieve lawyers, and they joined their two suits together as co-plainiffs, although it now appears that the foreign-born journalist was basically told by the judge he was shit out of luck, having “no standing”, since he didn’t sufficiently prove that he was on the list. (He had found his name listed as a “highest scoring target” on some of Edward Snowden’s leaked NSA materials, but that was not enough “proof” for the judge.)
The American journalist is Bilal Kareem, and the other is a journalist from Pakistan named Ahmad Zaidan. BTW, both these men were originally targeted under the Obama administration, but their names remain on the list under Trump. And Trump has increased the use of these targeted drone killings by 4 to 5 times the number of Obama’s, who himself had increased the assassination program 10 fold over Bush’ numbers. Trump has also loosened the “rules” about where these drone killings can take place, and who can be targeted. US drone warfare has taken the lives of some 10,858 individuals since 2004, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ).
The Washington Post and the Middle East Monitor both have good stories about the case, but the best article by far is Matt Taibbi’s article in Rolling Stone published on 19 July.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-to-survive-americas-kill-list-699334/

Posted by: teri | Oct 13 2018 9:24 utc | 114

The truth is the world of oil and wealth and the dollar … that all of them are Saudis and what matters to the world if they do not have anything else!

Posted by: لیزر موهای زائد | Oct 13 2018 9:58 utc | 115

I can’t see why people are doubting the Turks. They say they have video and sound, no doubt from bugging the Saudi consulate.
Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 12, 2018 2:17:23 PM | 72
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Because I’ve seen with my own naked eyes the Turks broadcast for years the wrong videos of mass demonstrations, ranging from Venezuela to other Chinese city, as “proofs” of Chinese government killing/beating/discriminating Uyghurs in Xinjiang, China.
Why should I believe the habitual liars, who are mostly under the control of Erdy and propagate the interests of his government’s interests? Just because they claim they have some videos (or audios)? Just because all the BigLie MSM (as karlof1 perfectly coded) regurgitate loudly and world-wide what the Turks spoon feed “facts”?
IF we were to believe all these pathological and psychological all-for-profit professional liars, then shouldn’t we also believe what they have been telling us: Russiagate/Skripal drama/Assad chemical attack/CPC forces Muslim Uyghurs to eat pork?!
Thanks to years of reading BigLie MSM and CIA frontman NED sponsored anti-China propaganda campaigns (info wars), I agree with what Charles Wood@48 wrote “the more lurid the death description, the less likely it is to be true.
Though we totally despise MbS, we shouldn’t fall into the BigLie MSM trap once again. It’s good for us to read the article from Syrian journalist Sharmine linked by karlof1@20.

Posted by: mali | Oct 13 2018 11:32 utc | 116

All this kinda’ begs the question; Why would Khashoggi, a seemingly intelligent journalist, walk into the Saudi embassy voluntarily? What am I missing?
Posted by: ben | Oct 11, 2018 10:54:38 PM | 41
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According to NYT, Khashoggi “had expressed concern to a friend on Monday that he could be kidnapped and returned to Saudi Arabia if he visited the consulate”. He went in at 1:30pm, while his friend and fiancée were waiting outside till 9:00pm.
Isn’t it a bit odd that his friend and fiancée, while fully aware the danger of him being kidnapped insider the consulate, waited for 7:30 hours before alerting Turkish authorities? Normally it takes 2 or 3 hours get a document, esp. already processed ones. Why didn’t his friend and fiancée alert the Turkish police earlier? Esp. “he left his cellphone outside with Hatice, who had instructions to alert his friends if Mr. Khashoggi did not return”.

Mr. Khashoggi’s wife had remained in Saudi Arabia while he was no longer able to return freely. Their separation had led to a divorce, and he wanted to remarry to a Turkish woman.

Normally, you don’t divorce your wife/husband because of one-year’s separation. According to this NYT article, Khashogg divided his time between the Washington, D.C., London and Istanbul, how long did he come to know his fiancée? Isn’t it a bit too rush/risky for a 59-year old man suddenly decided to divorce long-year wife and marry a new Turkish girl friend? Could it be a honey trap?
Odd dates?”
– Oct. 2, Khashoggi disappeared.
– Oct. 3, Trump told his supporters that Saudi could last two weeks without American support.
– Oct. 6, MbS said Suadi could survive 2000 years without US help .
– Now full-blown MSM storm, State Deparment is closely monitor the whole affair, Turkish government is feeding the media with all sorts of lurid details and claims. (Isn’t it much easier and simpler just to kidnap/shot him on the streets of Istanbul or London than dismembering his body inside Istanbul consulate?)
Now Saudi is “willing to cooperate” with Turkey, American priest Brauson is set free, plus MbS now has probably to purchase tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions of US armaments. What a “coincident” win-win situation for Erdy and Trump.

Posted by: mali | Oct 13 2018 12:46 utc | 117

As another poster commented, something is missing…
It is like a well choreograhped drame, Skripals were the same, this also is tooooo nice fitting together… Hmfr!
Qui bono? Who makes money on this? I certainly cannot answer that, but lets play safe : The Russians did it!
They beamed up Kasshoggi to their base on the dark side of the moon, the re killed him in civilized manner, fucking him to death with nice looking whores and spoonfeeding him Beluga caviar and interjected wit sips of Russian Starka. He was then made to mush and beamed back into the Saudi consulate making a real mess. Now poor headchop promoter is all over the place! He must love that up in his muslum heaven with 72 old hags. There is no martyrdom in being beamed to the moon and put through a garden shredder, that is nothing special.
So now the Saudi’s has Khassoggi al over their faces (literally :)) and the Turks eye a new way to betray someone (Putin, wake up!!). Ever since democracy was bestowed on these people, they have made a mess of it.
Back in the day (when I was gung ho Army boy), it was OK for a Turk officer to shoot dead a couple of conscripts a year, no problemo, the sentries with weapons had no live rounds hi-hi. Turkey does not need a hard shove and it will crumble, and the Americans will intervene, unless Russia is first.
This game is about Turkey, and not goat herders in Saudi Sodoma. They have hardly oil left and the plebs are angry.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Oct 13 2018 12:46 utc | 118

Trivia?
Jared Kushner’s friendship/affair with previously merely progressive war criminal MBS, who has progressed to now also beinted tainted with responsibility for the lurid butchery of an offensive to MBS ‘journalist’ who was but days from marriage and the arms of his love, does not elevate Kushner’s already dubious standing in some circles.
Kushner, he who on one memorable occasion chatted til the early hours of the morning, “cultivating a close friendship”, with the mass murdering progressive MBS, who (thus inspired?; coincidentally?) to Trumpian applause arrested and shook down many members of his billionaire-cult family. But is this a busom buddy friendship born of equality, two young men with so much in common?
MBS has been quoted as saying he has “Kushner in my pocket”. Hmmm.
And then there’s NYT’s Tom Friedman’s gushing rhapsody in purple over MBS: “… a genuine reformer, mega-popular dude, and an all-around super awesome guy.“ Friedman’s love was stoked over what he presumed was a lamb dinner, but in the light of further developments, we are not so sure….

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Oct 13 2018 12:50 utc | 119

Trump vows ‘severe punishment’ if Saudi Arabia is behind killing of WaPo journalist Khashoggi . However, Trump stressed that even if the journalist was killed at the hands of Riyadh, he still wouldn’t end the arms deal between the two countries.

Posted by: mali | Oct 13 2018 13:30 utc | 120

Reminded me of the Sultan Bin Turki affair.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_bin_Turki_II_bin_Abdulaziz_Al_Saud
He was most critical of the Saudi Royals and 😉 ‘pro-reform.’ He was kidnapped in Geneva, apparently as carried out or ‘allowed’ for a good part by the Saudi Ambassador.
He was, allegedly, ‘rendered’ back to KSA, drugged and tortured. Five masked men knocked him unconscious, anesthetized him, taken him to a Boeing 747 waiting at the Geneva airport, and flew him to the Saudi capital Riyadh…
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940427000348
In F, closer to the events: Celui-ci s’éclipse de la pièce et peu après, des hommes armés font irruption, frappent Sultan ben Turki, le menottent, lui font une injection et le transportent inconscient jusqu’à l’aéroport de Cointrin, où il est embarqué à bord d’un Boeing médical arrivé plusieurs jours auparavant et toujours prêt à décoller, selon le récit qu’il en a fait plus tard.
https://www.letemps.ch/monde/ne-prince-saoudien-exile-europe
Prison > house arrest, > once freed – he was allowed to go to Boston for medical treatment – he fled – back to Geneva! – and a court case took place (2016.) Pierre de Preux, a well known lawyer here, represented him. Imho the state prosecutor (= DA) was brave to take on this case. It was nevertheless shelved for lack of evidence.
Killing off critics / potential trouble makers / other / takes different forms in different régimes.
In the US for ex. no big show is made, and the death is classed as suicide, car accident, druggie death, mystery fall / drowning, etc. no matter how weird the circumstances. In other lands, it is deemed necessary to demonstrate the power of the Overlords, who can organise 15 ppl, a stark warning is projected.

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 13 2018 13:53 utc | 121

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Oct 13, 2018 8:46:30 AM | 118
On one hand, the quantity of black flag incidents is increasing, and that leads to low quality at many occasions. Ukrainians in particular excel in making most laughable incidents and the British seem to be influenced. Babchenko was killed, his murder condemned by Her Majesty Foreign Office and then got resurected. Brits seem to liked that, as exemplified by heroics of Sir Gavin, the Lord Defender of the United Kingdom (England, Wales, Scotland, Island of Man etc. etc.) on the frontline of the Free Ukraine.
On the other hand, were Saudis innocent they should have means of proving it. Consulates have security systems including cameras near the entry. While they are attacked less frequently than convenience stores, they have a better budget for such systems. Thus it should not be hard to show that either (a) Jamal Khashoggi actually did not enter KSA consulate in Istanbul on the day in question or (b) he entered and exited. Barring the use of hitherto unknown types of beam weapons, I would conclude that he entered and did not exit by normal means.
That said, there were no reports on beam weapons capable of transporting material objects. At worst, Russians could focus microwave weapons reducing people inside the consulate to incontinent cricket hearing idiots, enter through the underground and get out carrying whatever they please. KSA could be reluctant to release videos showing their people as they looked like idiots who just pissed into their pants and worse. This is what I can imagine on the basis of stories from American press that include at least two of “Russia, consulate/embassy, microwave weapons”, usually all three. If we restrict ourself to more corroborated stories, Russians could drill holes and saturate the air with “military grade fentanyl” and eschew microwaves. But it would be easier if it was done by Turks with the help of Russian experts who botched something like that at least once, so they have data how to drill, spray and calculate the dosage.
Surely, one should not deprecate the ability of Turks to concoct tales. For example, a typical tale from Tales of 1001 Nights features a beautiful Turkish princess that falls from one misfortune to another at the hands of a trio of bad characters: a Jewish merchant, a Christian magician and a Kurdish leader of a band of robbers, only to be eventually rescued by a dashing young Muslim Arab, and we may have such a tale suitable altered for the occasion — perhaps despicable Kurds will show up later.
But really, offering Starka to a prisoner? Because of long aging time and the demand, it is surprisingly hard to buy, and it is hard to tell if it is popular in Russia at all, Poland and the Baltics have more of Starka tradition.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 13 2018 14:40 utc | 122

“Arab Analyst: Trump after Secret Deal with Bin Salman to Stop Investigations into Khashoggi’s Death”
From FARS News; http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13970721000255
Why am I not schocked if this article has cred..

Posted by: ben | Oct 13 2018 14:46 utc | 123

123
Just as I predicted, the Pence Rabbinical Alliance has already cemented their re-election by the release of Brunson, and is now spinning the ‘death’ of Khashoggi into ‘Shia terrorism’, ahead of the New Iranian,Oil Wars.
“Trump Jr. Boosts Smear Tying Missing Journalist Jamal Khashoggi to Islamic Terrorism”.
And it will work 100% in November. That, and Republican establishment illegally stripping 100,000s of minorities from the voter rolls, illegally gerrymandering the sh*t out of the distrumicts, launching ‘First Man’ at the box office to mobilize the Triumphalist Right Stuff, and hard boiling the 3Q18 financials.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 13 2018 14:57 utc | 124

Great stuff Moon. The tide of cognitive dissonance will wash away much of the reality distortion field. The repairs will be blunt and painful, very soviet. Or maybe not, the holi poli seem to have lost interest in truth, justice and the American way. Kavangh case in point. For all the bolivating over Evil Putin, he is still not seen as a threat.
I expect the MBS solution will be to literally hand over the heads of 15 good soldiers. The sad news is that the MSM will accept this, and move on shutting down the truth.

Posted by: steve | Oct 13 2018 15:03 utc | 125

And the victory goes to Iran.
Anything that weakens the alliance between Trump, MBS and Netenyahoo is good for Iran. And the murder of Khashoggi does exactly that.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Oct 13 2018 15:26 utc | 126

@Piotr Berman 122
I did actually lern of Starka at a traditional Russian wedding held in Copenhagen. It was a very wet, but joyful affair, I wondered why we just had water glasses and no beer glasses. Oh boy I found out! I have neve drunk so much vodka in my life, and had to take a walk later on, but so did my brother. 🙂 Most of th guests were Russians , some resident and some from Russia, very nice and friendly people. Brother and me gorged on Russian delicacies (Real Russian caviar , pirogues etc, etc.) Most of us got pretty drunk. At one time Starka was introduced, and I was sold immediately, it was good stuff, really good stuff, in the mean time my brother was about to accept a hand sewn shirt from a VERY nice looking women 19 years his junior, I whispered what that meant and he grew pale (recently divorced) so he politely denied accepting it.
I do remeber my brother and returning to his home (300 meters away from the venue) completely stone drunk, the rest of the drunken party had wawed us off (knowing we only had to trespass 300 meters of good sidewalk).
And I remember the hangover.
What a party! Those Russians did drink Starka.
🙂 Memories 🙂

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Oct 13 2018 16:09 utc | 127

119
What should chill every world leader and business titan is Kushner’s Top Secret access, and direct line of reporting to BN and MbS. Immediately after Kushner fled the US upon the Trump Jr revelations, he’s found back-channeling a huge arms deal with the Saudis, ratting out all the Saudi Royals, escaping $B bankrupcy at 666 – 5th Avenue to a new mashup of BPY-GGP, and now walking around free as a Damian jaybird.
Hopefully his windfall has taken him out of the political realm and back to the slumlord ghettoes he came from, but just wrap your head around his last two years, and the damage he was able to wreak. Whose is the one ring that rules them all?

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 13 2018 16:17 utc | 128

AW @ 124 said;”And it will work 100% in November. That, and Republican establishment illegally stripping 100,000s of minorities from the voter rolls, illegally gerrymandering the sh*t out of the distrumicts, launching ‘First Man’ at the box office to mobilize the Triumphalist Right Stuff, and hard boiling the 3Q18 financials.”
Agreed..

Posted by: ben | Oct 13 2018 17:31 utc | 129

@127 Den Lille Abe
At one time Starka was introduced, and I was sold immediately, it was good stuff, really good stuff, in the mean time my brother was about to accept a hand sewn shirt from a VERY nice looking women 19 years his junior, I whispered what that meant and he grew pale (recently divorced) so he politely denied accepting it
Just curious – what does it mean?

Posted by: Sad Canuck | Oct 13 2018 19:49 utc | 130

Posted this in wrong thread earlier, oh well.
So one of the consequences is this years MBS Davos in the Desert is done with. MBS is trying to turn Saudi Arabia into an investment destination, rather than a place to raise capital, at a time when the US wants them to be sending more dollars to the US for weapons. In other words a modern Saudi Arabia as envisioned by MBS in 2030 is not in the empires interests. Saudi Arabia is meant to provide oil for dollars and recycle most of those dollars back the US in support of the petro dollar in the form of treasuries, stocks and weapon purchases, and to provide a steady stream of extremist fighters for the empires use, and to attack other countries against the Empire like Yemen with US provided weapons and support.

Posted by: Pft | Oct 13 2018 21:27 utc | 131

@ Sad Canuck 130
Starka is aged vodka, it is aged in barrels much like Cognac and gets the sort of the same flavor. It is usually smooth and very drinkable. And cheaper.
I recommend it.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Oct 13 2018 22:57 utc | 132

@ Den Lille Abe | 132
I’ll bet the ranch that Sad Canuck (130) was asking about the significance of the “hand sewn shirt”, not the starka. I could be wrong, and Sad Canuck is welcome to tell me so.
FWIW, my guess is that the shirt, a personal item, signifies a unilateral betrothal, or some comparable entangling alliance.

Posted by: Ort | Oct 14 2018 0:05 utc | 133

Старый – Staryi – Old, of age.
I am sure DLA got what he was asked of, but prefered to wink hus eye and pretend he did not.
Dunno about shirt being so very personal, but “hand sewn” means at least a real lot of personal effort. And going further back in history, the ornaments sewn were magic amulets of a kind, charming and protecting. So such a gift indeed could mean things.
But maybe she just wanted to give it to some young pretty Russian guy there, and he refused, and being rejected ahe got angree and tried to gift that shirt to any other man? 😀

Posted by: Arioch | Oct 14 2018 0:38 utc | 134

If we remember “unknown snipers” like those firing from USA Embassy roof in Moscow 1993, or in Syria 2011, or in Ukraine 2014…
What if Saudi really did not want to kill him, what if they tried to frighten and coerce him to some deal. Then suddenly one well placed shot from outside – and he is dead at their hands.
If to extend the ficwriting line, that journalist should have had a terminal disease and knowing that ahould had volunteered to be a sacrificed lamb. And his fiance then was a medic nurse watching him not to die before the script 🙂

Posted by: Arioch | Oct 14 2018 0:43 utc | 135

We can see the elaboration of a scenario exonerating MBS from the crime and putting the blame for the murder plot on Saud al Qahtani, an Saudi official.

:It added that the western diplomats who have called for anonymity have said that Saudi Arabia and the UAE have agreed to victimize one of the Saudi officials to exonerate bin Salman.
“Possibly, that Saudi official will be Saud al-Qahtani, the adviser to the Royal Court, and they will claim that he has masterminded the operation (to kill Khashoggi) without the senior Saudi officials’ knowledge,” Khalij Online reported.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13970721000437

Posted by: Virgile | Oct 14 2018 0:59 utc | 136

@90 Activist Potatoe
It seems that my “wild scenario” has been picked up by the Saudis. With millions poured in the propaganda media, it may become the accepted scenario. Should’nt I get royalties?
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13970721000437

Posted by: Virgile | Oct 14 2018 1:13 utc | 137

Posted by: Circe | Oct 13, 2018 2:20:50 AM | 112
It’s quite easy to record audio, save and transfer automatically (to iCloud storage and made available to any Apple connected device):

the app is extremely simple with a button that you can tap to start recording. Audio recordings are automatically sent to the iPhone app once saved, which is indicated by an upload icon in the bottom right corner

iCloud sync has been fast in my tests, and because it always works in the background, I don’t have to worry about exporting my files or make sure they’ve uploaded successfully.

The connection sequence uses Bluetooth first until it is no longer in range and then switches over to Wifi automatically (which has longer ranges) assuming it is pre-configured — like I stated previous using an iPhone as a Hot-spot:

Apple Watch uses both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth to transfer data to the iPhone. It defaults to a Bluetooth connection whenever possible because it conserves power, but if your iPhone is not in Bluetooth range, Apple Watch will switch over to compatible Wi-Fi if it is available.

It can connect to networks that you have set up on the paired phone.

Posted by: jsb | Oct 14 2018 2:22 utc | 138

Jsb@138
The effective range of the hot spot using an iphone , with the signal having to pass from an embassies thick exterior walls and multiple interior walls is likely not enough to reach a car parked outside the embassy . The phone has a weak signal and even under the best of conditions it wont be more than 20 meters and under much less ideal conditions under 10 meters. Same with Bluetooth. I have to imagine any room in the embassy used for torturing would be deep within the building with thick sound proof walls
Also the Turkish newspaper reported his removed finger was used to unlock the apple watch but the apple watch does not have this feature. Also Apple said their watches can establish a cellular connection in Turkey although I imagi
ne they were referring to apple watches sold in US where he is a permanent resident
Turkish sources credibility is shot IMO. Only thing keeping it alive is Saudis not producing any evidence he left the building or is still alive in Saudi Arabia. You woukd think they could have made something up by now (fake video) even if they did kill him. Surely they had to know his disappearance after entering the embassy would have been made public and prepared for this.
The whole thing reeks of a badly scripted fake reality TV show

Posted by: Pft | Oct 14 2018 5:00 utc | 139

Posted by: Pft | Oct 14, 2018 1:00:56 AM | 139
I can tell you that I’ve personally tested Bluetooth penetrability in the most restrictive place like the clinical are in the hospital — which are lined with lead-like walls — and contain sensitive MRI, CT-Scan, X-ray, etc. equipment — that-in-and-of-itself requires lead aprons to shield the radiation emitted by these devices. Therefore, the walls that make up these rooms are reinforced with lead-type substances so that their penetrating effect is limited. Yet Wifi is a great solution in these spaces, nonetheless!
However, a consulate — where normal human interactions take place day-to-day — should be shielded and reinforced from what exactly??? Other than against the physical penetration posed by the myriad of threats — which they already protect against.
It is more likely that Khashoggi, at his first encounter with the Embassy (4 days earlier) tested the feature (WiFi tethering and recording) otherwise why would he take the inherent risk of going back (after the initial unannounced visit) for just some papers? He certainly understood the threat posed by KSA when he fled in 2017, but what has changed in his thinking after that fact?

Posted by: jsb | Oct 14 2018 5:39 utc | 140

Trump has a Muslim ban should’nt Saudia Arabia now be on it ? 911, funding and equipping isis, Yemen, kashhoggi suspected murder in a embassy! What would it take ? It’s all about the billions! Blatant hypocrisy.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 14 2018 11:29 utc | 141

Jsb@140
Every consulate in the world is aware that the host country will try to collect intelligence and protects against this. Tell me more of your tests but blue tooth has limited range between iphone and apple watch.
Khashoggi had worked with/for CIA and Saudi intelligence. I am not convinced this is anything but an act. For what purpose we may never know. Certainly he should have entered the embassy with witnesses and not alone given his risk factors. The fact he entered alone is interesting. The fact his fiance delayed reporting he did not come out for so long is also interesting. Why didnt she enter the embassy and ask where he was? . So many questions. The story is not logical.

Posted by: Pft | Oct 14 2018 12:07 utc | 142

So let me guess,
just as the Saudis are threatening to respond to any sanction, the trigger is pulled in Syria?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/shells-fired-syria-buffer-zone-soldiers-killed-sohr-181014082752917.html

Posted by: Mina | Oct 14 2018 13:43 utc | 143

> with the signal having to pass from an embassies thick exterior walls and multiple interior walls is likely not enough to reach a car
then the watch would be recording the sound file locally and would upload it at the first chance later
when they, allegedly, killed him – they could move the body around. Especially if that was a torture unexpectedly went bad, or some “unknown sniper” suddenly changing the script, they could hastily move the body to some madical room hoping it is not fatal yet.
anyway, as soon as the watch, or the phone paired with the watch, would catch any network they cna join (like, he could indeed get some Wi-Fi password on his prior visit, or consulate could have an open Wi-fi network for visitors like in McDonalds) – they could upload the priorly recorded files

Posted by: Arioch | Oct 15 2018 10:42 utc | 144

Arm-twisting to get Saudi Arabia to drop its purchase of Russian S-400 AA system in favour US crapola?
Was MBS setup by his fellow (sic) feudal elite and was his personal bodyguard given the Godfather ‘choice’, kill MBS or you die as MBS had become an embarrassment?
And what of Erdogan? As B says, is he holding out for SA’s filthy moola?
What I find incomprehensible is how blatant the whole thing is, a bit like a really bad snuff movie but without the actual movie! Or perhaps we’re just seeing in public (courtesy Erdogan) what should have been in private.
And how to explain the US going ape shit over the death and alleged dismemberment of Khashoggi. Okay we know he was a CIA asset but so what? The US has no allies. All are expendable.
Or perhaps it’s simple; this kind of stuff NEVER goes on in the public eye, hence it’s an embarrassment that has to be dealt with. It explains all the various and sundry leaks whose main purpose is to muddy the media waters. Confusion reigns!

Posted by: William Bowles | Oct 20 2018 12:52 utc | 145

Whoops! I meant to say, ‘
Was MBS setup by his fellow (sic) feudal elite and was his personal bodyguard given the Godfather ‘choice’, kill Khashoggi or you die as he had become an embarrassment to MBS?

Posted by: William Bowles | Oct 20 2018 16:07 utc | 146